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"Before everyone gets carried away, let's look at the numbers for a second. The house of commons has 650 seats so a straight majority would be 326 but, in reality it's not. Because Sinn Fein refuse to take their seven seats, it in effect makes the Commons only 643 which reduces the majority required to 322. A Labour, Lib Dem, SNP, Green, Plaid coalition would only add up to 314. Still 4 seats short of the Tories alone. Put simply, like it or not, Corbyn couldn't govern without having the DUP onside. Either that or convincing his old mates from Sinn Fein to walk through the door and join the government. "While you are technically correct in terms of how many MP's there are in the commons - given that Sinn Fein don't take up their seats, you actually have to take that number of seats away from the majority required rather than the total number of seats and so the majority that Theresa May requires is 319 The reason for this is because of the sum total of opposition MP's that could potentially vote against the government. So, half the total seats is 325. Take away Sinn Feins 7 and you have 318 | |||
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"Before everyone gets carried away, let's look at the numbers for a second. The house of commons has 650 seats so a straight majority would be 326 but, in reality it's not. Because Sinn Fein refuse to take their seven seats, it in effect makes the Commons only 643 which reduces the majority required to 322. A Labour, Lib Dem, SNP, Green, Plaid coalition would only add up to 314. Still 4 seats short of the Tories alone. Put simply, like it or not, Corbyn couldn't govern without having the DUP onside. Either that or convincing his old mates from Sinn Fein to walk through the door and join the government.
While you are technically correct in terms of how many MP's there are in the commons - given that Sinn Fein don't take up their seats, you actually have to take that number of seats away from the majority required rather than the total number of seats and so the majority that Theresa May requires is 319
The reason for this is because of the sum total of opposition MP's that could potentially vote against the government.
So, half the total seats is 325. Take away Sinn Feins 7 and you have 318"I know where you are coming from and I wish it did work like that. However a majority is half plus one of the total The total without Sinn Fein is 643 As we can't cut MP's into pieces (yeah I know) 322 would be one more than 321 which add up to 643. The Tories 318 means a combined opposition of 325. | |||
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" What the DUP are, are homophobic, sexist bigots.... so yes, have a go at May and her cronies....but do so for the RIGHT REASONS. Support your arguments with reason.....not social media bollocks." Not sure if sexist is correct they have a woman as leader dont they ? As for being homophobic is that against the law these days, might not be enlightened but I thought we were allowed free speech and freedom of thought, bloody hell how many profiles on swingers sites would have the man down as 100% straight, def not Bi etc etc they sound pretty homophobic to me | |||
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I think she should have resigned and announced a new election in 6 months to give everyone chance to come to terms with new realitys !
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"Arent/werent two known terrorists in government in NI ? Its a world away from dealing with people who have crossed back to civilised behaviour when in government than it is to talk to people when still actively involved in murderous acts when you have no position or power to negeotiate with them, if people cant see that then it is a very warped world. Sounds like more sour grapes to me " So on that basis how would any peace talks happen? Even to negotiate a ceasefire you have to talk to people actively engaged in conflict.. The Tories and rightly so we're talking to the IRA through back channels to try and achieve a dialogue probably before Corbyn was.. It's a nonsense slur and many intelligent people have swallowed it.. What do you want? Ongoing conflict and mayhem or peace.. Ok by all means ignore the meeting of the leader of the UDA and the leader of the Dup 2 days after the UDA carried out an execution.. Ignore the attending of funerals of terrorist's by Dup politicians .. Just how comfortable is it for your average decent Tory voter here to see an alliance with the D UP and their intolerance toward gay people.. Their backwards views on woman's rights.. In doing this knee jerk move she has alienated many within her own party and that will not be forgotten when the Tory tradition of knifing a perceived weak leader get sharpened .. | |||
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"DUP are not sympathisers... They are former members... Seems it's not OK for JC to talk to these sort of people but it is fine for the Tories to climb into bed with them... Big question is considering that power sharing is collapsing in NI and the British and Irish governments are meant to mediate between the DUP and Shin Fain, how ill the British government do this impartially when the DUP are essential to government survival? Yet another case of Tories putting party interests before those of the country! 3 times in 2 years by 2 separate Tory leaders! This generation of Tories are a disgrace! " This is exactly the point. And to be frank it doesn't really matter on this point what most of us think in here.... what matters more is what those who have been active directly in those peace talks think. All you need is one republican to think that this invalidates the peace deal and to decide to go back to violence. -Matt | |||
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"Sinn Fein & the IRA were set on the reunification of Ireland and leaving the UK. The clue is in the name - Irish REPUBLICAN army. The DUP are the Democratic UNIONIST party I.e. they are FOR tge United Kingdom. So people saying that Theresa May is being proped up by, or jumping into bed with terrorists - or terrorist sypathisers - is ill informed at best and just plain wrong. Just because they are a party from Northern Ireland does not mean they played any part or had anything to do with the troubles" It's actions that define a terrorist not whose side you're on. | |||
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"DUP are not sympathisers... They are former members... Seems it's not OK for JC to talk to these sort of people but it is fine for the Tories to climb into bed with them... Big question is considering that power sharing is collapsing in NI and the British and Irish governments are meant to mediate between the DUP and Shin Fain, how ill the British government do this impartially when the DUP are essential to government survival? Yet another case of Tories putting party interests before those of the country! 3 times in 2 years by 2 separate Tory leaders! This generation of Tories are a disgrace! " Totally  It is about power and whatever they can do with it, not about DaPple. | |||
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"Arent/werent two known terrorists in government in NI ? Its a world away from dealing with people who have crossed back to civilised behaviour when in government than it is to talk to people when still actively involved in murderous acts when you have no position or power to negeotiate with them, if people cant see that then it is a very warped world. Sounds like more sour grapes to me So on that basis how would any peace talks happen? Even to negotiate a ceasefire you have to talk to people actively engaged in conflict.. The Tories and rightly so we're talking to the IRA through back channels to try and achieve a dialogue probably before Corbyn was.. It's a nonsense slur and many intelligent people have swallowed it.. What do you want? Ongoing conflict and mayhem or peace.. Ok by all means ignore the meeting of the leader of the UDA and the leader of the Dup 2 days after the UDA carried out an execution.. Ignore the attending of funerals of terrorist's by Dup politicians .. Just how comfortable is it for your average decent Tory voter here to see an alliance with the D UP and their intolerance toward gay people.. Their backwards views on woman's rights.. In doing this knee jerk move she has alienated many within her own party and that will not be forgotten when the Tory tradition of knifing a perceived weak leader get sharpened .." Ruth Davidson is certainly no fan of the DUP, or of a hard Brexit. And the Scottish Conservatives represent three more seats than the DUP. May is f*cked.  | |||
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"Owen Patterson on Radio 4 today already confirming that Tories will now enact a vote on reducing time limits for abortions, as instructed to them by the DUP. If you are a Tory and you condone this coalition, you need to take a long hard look at yourself." There will be a lot of opsition to rewriting the abortions act just to satisfy the DUP. | |||
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"Owen Patterson on Radio 4 today already confirming that Tories will now enact a vote on reducing time limits for abortions, as instructed to them by the DUP. If you are a Tory and you condone this coalition, you need to take a long hard look at yourself. There will be a lot of opsition to rewriting the abortions act just to satisfy the DUP." And rightly so. That the Tories would even consider proposing the vote shows how morally bankrupt their failure to win this election has made them. | |||
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"ruth davidson delivers mrs maygabe a gift of seats in scotland .... mrs maygabe knifes davidson in the back by jumping into bed with vehemntly anti-gay supporters of sectarian terrorism .... i wonder how ruth davidsons irish same-sex partner, jen wilson, feels about that?" Apparently she's received 'assurances'. Expect a U turn soon. | |||
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"DUP are not sympathisers... They are former members... Seems it's not OK for JC to talk to these sort of people but it is fine for the Tories to climb into bed with them... Big question is considering that power sharing is collapsing in NI and the British and Irish governments are meant to mediate between the DUP and Shin Fain, how ill the British government do this impartially when the DUP are essential to government survival? Yet another case of Tories putting party interests before those of the country! 3 times in 2 years by 2 separate Tory leaders! This generation of Tories are a disgrace! This is exactly the point. And to be frank it doesn't really matter on this point what most of us think in here.... what matters more is what those who have been active directly in those peace talks think. All you need is one republican to think that this invalidates the peace deal and to decide to go back to violence. -Matt" agree.. she has put the good Friday agreement at risk and no one apart form a few nut jobs wants to go back to those days.. Belfast Telegraph already talking about figures in excess of £750 million that the DUP will be looking for initially.. | |||
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"DUP are not sympathisers... They are former members... Seems it's not OK for JC to talk to these sort of people but it is fine for the Tories to climb into bed with them... Big question is considering that power sharing is collapsing in NI and the British and Irish governments are meant to mediate between the DUP and Shin Fain, how ill the British government do this impartially when the DUP are essential to government survival? Yet another case of Tories putting party interests before those of the country! 3 times in 2 years by 2 separate Tory leaders! This generation of Tories are a disgrace! This is exactly the point. And to be frank it doesn't really matter on this point what most of us think in here.... what matters more is what those who have been active directly in those peace talks think. All you need is one republican to think that this invalidates the peace deal and to decide to go back to violence. -Matt agree.. she has put the good Friday agreement at risk and no one apart form a few nut jobs wants to go back to those days.. Belfast Telegraph already talking about figures in excess of £750 million that the DUP will be looking for initially.." I fail to see how the British government can ever be viewed as 'neutral' should the need for direct rule arise if the Tories are in coalition with the DUP. Bear in mind that any agreement on power sharing is still in the balance. | |||
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"DUP are not sympathisers... They are former members... Seems it's not OK for JC to talk to these sort of people but it is fine for the Tories to climb into bed with them... Big question is considering that power sharing is collapsing in NI and the British and Irish governments are meant to mediate between the DUP and Shin Fain, how ill the British government do this impartially when the DUP are essential to government survival? Yet another case of Tories putting party interests before those of the country! 3 times in 2 years by 2 separate Tory leaders! This generation of Tories are a disgrace! This is exactly the point. And to be frank it doesn't really matter on this point what most of us think in here.... what matters more is what those who have been active directly in those peace talks think. All you need is one republican to think that this invalidates the peace deal and to decide to go back to violence. -Matt agree.. she has put the good Friday agreement at risk and no one apart form a few nut jobs wants to go back to those days.. Belfast Telegraph already talking about figures in excess of £750 million that the DUP will be looking for initially.. I fail to see how the British government can ever be viewed as 'neutral' should the need for direct rule arise if the Tories are in coalition with the DUP. Bear in mind that any agreement on power sharing is still in the balance. " its like the ref at half time in a tight match going into one teams changing room.. | |||
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"Jus one question... When does a freedom fighter become a terrorist and when does a terrorist become a freedom fighter" Simple. A terrorist is a freedom fighter if they're helping prop up a minority government. If you're opposed to the freedom fighters, you're a terrorist. | |||
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"It can't. Let's be clear here - Theresa May has chosen to put peace in Northern Ireland - and the lives of innocents - at perilous risk to save her own job, and prop up a party who no longer have any legitimate claim to govern. The Conservative Party in 2017. They are nothing other than a disgrace." Hear hear | |||
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"So........ what should May have done?" Anything other than a deal with DUP. This DUP deal is so toxic it could make the Conservatives unelectable for a decade or more. | |||
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"So........ what should May have done? Anything other than a deal with DUP. This DUP deal is so toxic it could make the Conservatives unelectable for a decade or more." Like what? | |||
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"So........ what should May have done? Anything other than a deal with DUP. This DUP deal is so toxic it could make the Conservatives unelectable for a decade or more. Like what? " Not sure I really know but the more I look at this deal the more toxic it looks. I didn't think it would last till Christmas, now I'm not sure I even want it last until next week. | |||
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"The facts are that we've had peace in Northern Ireland since 2007....thats 10 years of devolved goverment, Yes, its not always been a smooth ride, but people are moving on. The DUP are a recognised peaceful political party and should be treated as such. If you don't agree with their agenda, then thats upto you. Its called democracy." | |||
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"So........ what should May have done?" gone back to the electorate for a second election | |||
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"So........ what should May have done?gone back to the electorate for a second election " I think the Tories will need a new leader before they can do that. | |||
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"Come live in northern Ireland before u all start spouting about the dup come and see what good they have done in our wee country when the British government can't be bothered with us. They only want to know about us know cause they are in the shit. Well I say if the Dup can get money out of them to help our wee country just bloody right. It could be a lot worse they could be depending on Sinn Fein IRA then you would all be in the shit. So dry your fucking eyes and remember what northern Ireland has come through before u start slagging us " That doesn't fit the left wing rhetoric. | |||
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"Sinn Fein & the IRA were set on the reunification of Ireland and leaving the UK. The clue is in the name - Irish REPUBLICAN army. The DUP are the Democratic UNIONIST party I.e. they are FOR tge United Kingdom. So people saying that Theresa May is being proped up by, or jumping into bed with terrorists - or terrorist sypathisers - is ill informed at best and just plain wrong. Just because they are a party from Northern Ireland does not mean they played any part or had anything to do with the troubles" First, the reunification of Ireland is a virtuous and logical aspiration. Ever since the Norman invasion, successive governments in this England/Britain brought invasion, death, destruction, famine and utterly vile exploitation to the people of Ireland. This sad history was made worse by the further displacement of the Irish in the north when the plantation Scots arrived to destroy their society, steal their land and suppress their language and customs. The DUP represents the worst elements of that terrible mindset and they are as intolerant and intransigent as any apartheid-supporting Afrikaaner or Israeli land-grab settler. You seem to think that having these embarrassing neighbours as supporters is a good thing...WTF? Just as there was crossover between Sinn Fein and the IRA, the same applies to the DUP and the protestant paramilitaries. And may I remind you that the flames of the troubles were well fanned by one Ian Paisley, founder of the DUP? At least Paisley found the common sense to make peace with his sworn enemies, but Arlene Foster is an absolute disgrace, as May will discover all too soon. | |||
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"Sinn Fein & the IRA were set on the reunification of Ireland and leaving the UK. The clue is in the name - Irish REPUBLICAN army. The DUP are the Democratic UNIONIST party I.e. they are FOR tge United Kingdom. So people saying that Theresa May is being proped up by, or jumping into bed with terrorists - or terrorist sypathisers - is ill informed at best and just plain wrong. Just because they are a party from Northern Ireland does not mean they played any part or had anything to do with the troubles First, the reunification of Ireland is a virtuous and logical aspiration. Ever since the Norman invasion, successive governments in this England/Britain brought invasion, death, destruction, famine and utterly vile exploitation to the people of Ireland. This sad history was made worse by the further displacement of the Irish in the north when the plantation Scots arrived to destroy their society, steal their land and suppress their language and customs. The DUP represents the worst elements of that terrible mindset and they are as intolerant and intransigent as any apartheid-supporting Afrikaaner or Israeli land-grab settler. You seem to think that having these embarrassing neighbours as supporters is a good thing...WTF? Just as there was crossover between Sinn Fein and the IRA, the same applies to the DUP and the protestant paramilitaries. And may I remind you that the flames of the troubles were well fanned by one Ian Paisley, founder of the DUP? At least Paisley found the common sense to make peace with his sworn enemies, but Arlene Foster is an absolute disgrace, as May will discover all too soon. " Have u actually ever been to Northern Ireland | |||
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"Come live in northern Ireland before u all start spouting about the dup come and see what good they have done in our wee country when the British government can't be bothered with us. They only want to know about us know cause they are in the shit. Well I say if the Dup can get money out of them to help our wee country just bloody right. It could be a lot worse they could be depending on Sinn Fein IRA then you would all be in the shit. So dry your fucking eyes and remember what northern Ireland has come through before u start slagging us " there is not many people who want to go back to the days before the good Friday agreement and if you look objectively no one is slagging them off or mentioning the peace process and their part of it.. some of their policies are beyond belief and totally out of step with a modern, civilised democracy.. its not even about left or right when a woman's right to choose is unlawful.. | |||
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"Come live in northern Ireland before u all start spouting about the dup come and see what good they have done in our wee country when the British government can't be bothered with us. They only want to know about us know cause they are in the shit. Well I say if the Dup can get money out of them to help our wee country just bloody right. It could be a lot worse they could be depending on Sinn Fein IRA then you would all be in the shit. So dry your fucking eyes and remember what northern Ireland has come through before u start slagging us That doesn't fit the left wing rhetoric. " equally Clem it does not fit those in the Tory party who see discrimination as acceptable or women's rights as being controlled by a church set back in its stone age views.. am totally happy being rhetorical with those of a similar mind whatever they support politically.. | |||
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"Sinn Fein & the IRA were set on the reunification of Ireland and leaving the UK. The clue is in the name - Irish REPUBLICAN army. The DUP are the Democratic UNIONIST party I.e. they are FOR tge United Kingdom. So people saying that Theresa May is being proped up by, or jumping into bed with terrorists - or terrorist sypathisers - is ill informed at best and just plain wrong. Just because they are a party from Northern Ireland does not mean they played any part or had anything to do with the troubles First, the reunification of Ireland is a virtuous and logical aspiration. Ever since the Norman invasion, successive governments in this England/Britain brought invasion, death, destruction, famine and utterly vile exploitation to the people of Ireland. This sad history was made worse by the further displacement of the Irish in the north when the plantation Scots arrived to destroy their society, steal their land and suppress their language and customs. The DUP represents the worst elements of that terrible mindset and they are as intolerant and intransigent as any apartheid-supporting Afrikaaner or Israeli land-grab settler. You seem to think that having these embarrassing neighbours as supporters is a good thing...WTF? Just as there was crossover between Sinn Fein and the IRA, the same applies to the DUP and the protestant paramilitaries. And may I remind you that the flames of the troubles were well fanned by one Ian Paisley, founder of the DUP? At least Paisley found the common sense to make peace with his sworn enemies, but Arlene Foster is an absolute disgrace, as May will discover all too soon. Have u actually ever been to Northern Ireland " Quite a few friends have worked there and from their observations, I would not wish to visit. | |||
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"DUP are not sympathisers... They are former members... Seems it's not OK for JC to talk to these sort of people but it is fine for the Tories to climb into bed with them... Big question is considering that power sharing is collapsing in NI and the British and Irish governments are meant to mediate between the DUP and Shin Fain, how ill the British government do this impartially when the DUP are essential to government survival? Yet another case of Tories putting party interests before those of the country! 3 times in 2 years by 2 separate Tory leaders! This generation of Tories are a disgrace! This is exactly the point. And to be frank it doesn't really matter on this point what most of us think in here.... what matters more is what those who have been active directly in those peace talks think. All you need is one republican to think that this invalidates the peace deal and to decide to go back to violence. -Matt agree.. she has put the good Friday agreement at risk and no one apart form a few nut jobs wants to go back to those days.. Belfast Telegraph already talking about figures in excess of £750 million that the DUP will be looking for initially.." Yeah, and to make matters worse, May came out publicly to say she was forming a govt with the DUP. The DUP come out and say 'no deal is in place yet, we are discussing it'. So May is now over a barrel and has to offer whatever they want to save face. Strong and stable! I hope she isn't this blatantly shit with the Brexit negotiations. -Matt | |||
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" What the DUP are, are homophobic, sexist bigots.... so yes, have a go at May and her cronies....but do so for the RIGHT REASONS. Support your arguments with reason.....not social media bollocks. Not sure if sexist is correct they have a woman as leader dont they ? As for being homophobic is that against the law these days, might not be enlightened but I thought we were allowed free speech and freedom of thought, bloody hell how many profiles on swingers sites would have the man down as 100% straight, def not Bi etc etc they sound pretty homophobic to me " They have blocked same sex marriages (homophobic) abortion is illegal in NI. (Most would regard that as sexist.... though Sinn Fein seem to support that too...so no picking sides on that) | |||
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"So........ what should May have done? Anything other than a deal with DUP. This DUP deal is so toxic it could make the Conservatives unelectable for a decade or more. Like what? " I'm glad someone is asking this, up until now it reads like a Labour circle jerk. Is there another option given that a majority is needed to pass bills? Agreement with Labour? Hardly. SNP? Yeah right. Greens? 1 MP won't help. Independent, ditto. Lib Dems? Already said they won't play with anybody so no help for Tory or Labour there. Sinn Fein? Doesn't attend the "other" parliament. Pretry much leaves the DUP doesn't it! Labour couldn't make a majority either so either people who are spewing vitriol prefer an inactive parliament who are unable to govern or....... want a re vote until the public choose what they chose. Sounds like some remainers did. I find no other way than a DUP alliance. But maybe rather than just griping and bitching, people could make positive suggestions for an alternative way forward that aren't just "the party I voted for". | |||
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"Come live in northern Ireland before u all start spouting about the dup come and see what good they have done in our wee country when the British government can't be bothered with us. They only want to know about us know cause they are in the shit. Well I say if the Dup can get money out of them to help our wee country just bloody right. It could be a lot worse they could be depending on Sinn Fein IRA then you would all be in the shit. So dry your fucking eyes and remember what northern Ireland has come through before u start slagging us That doesn't fit the left wing rhetoric. equally Clem it does not fit those in the Tory party who see discrimination as acceptable or women's rights as being controlled by a church set back in its stone age views.. am totally happy being rhetorical with those of a similar mind whatever they support politically.." Sounds to me like you think that your beliefs are more important than those of an established religion, or do you think religious beliefs should have no part to play in modern politics. | |||
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"So........ what should May have done? Anything other than a deal with DUP. This DUP deal is so toxic it could make the Conservatives unelectable for a decade or more. Like what? I'm glad someone is asking this, up until now it reads like a Labour circle jerk. Is there another option given that a majority is needed to pass bills? Agreement with Labour? Hardly. SNP? Yeah right. Greens? 1 MP won't help. Independent, ditto. Lib Dems? Already said they won't play with anybody so no help for Tory or Labour there. Sinn Fein? Doesn't attend the "other" parliament. Pretry much leaves the DUP doesn't it! Labour couldn't make a majority either so either people who are spewing vitriol prefer an inactive parliament who are unable to govern or....... want a re vote until the public choose what they chose. Sounds like some remainers did. I find no other way than a DUP alliance. But maybe rather than just griping and bitching, people could make positive suggestions for an alternative way forward that aren't just "the party I voted for". " "No deal is better than a bad deal" *ducks* 
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"So........ what should May have done? Anything other than a deal with DUP. This DUP deal is so toxic it could make the Conservatives unelectable for a decade or more. Like what? I'm glad someone is asking this, up until now it reads like a Labour circle jerk. Is there another option given that a majority is needed to pass bills? Agreement with Labour? Hardly. SNP? Yeah right. Greens? 1 MP won't help. Independent, ditto. Lib Dems? Already said they won't play with anybody so no help for Tory or Labour there. Sinn Fein? Doesn't attend the "other" parliament. Pretry much leaves the DUP doesn't it! Labour couldn't make a majority either so either people who are spewing vitriol prefer an inactive parliament who are unable to govern or....... want a re vote until the public choose what they chose. Sounds like some remainers did. I find no other way than a DUP alliance. But maybe rather than just griping and bitching, people could make positive suggestions for an alternative way forward that aren't just "the party I voted for". "No deal is better than a bad deal" *ducks*
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"So........ what should May have done? Anything other than a deal with DUP. This DUP deal is so toxic it could make the Conservatives unelectable for a decade or more. Like what? I'm glad someone is asking this, up until now it reads like a Labour circle jerk. Is there another option given that a majority is needed to pass bills? Agreement with Labour? Hardly. SNP? Yeah right. Greens? 1 MP won't help. Independent, ditto. Lib Dems? Already said they won't play with anybody so no help for Tory or Labour there. Sinn Fein? Doesn't attend the "other" parliament. Pretry much leaves the DUP doesn't it! Labour couldn't make a majority either so either people who are spewing vitriol prefer an inactive parliament who are unable to govern or....... want a re vote until the public choose what they chose. Sounds like some remainers did. I find no other way than a DUP alliance. But maybe rather than just griping and bitching, people could make positive suggestions for an alternative way forward that aren't just "the party I voted for". "No deal is better than a bad deal" *ducks*
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With a no deal on trade we have a back-up option of WTO rules but with government we don't. So here's a good deal, a free unicorn to whoever comes up with a VIABLE, CREDIBLE alternative. There are plenty of unicorns available now Labour isn't going to be giving them all away. | |||
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"Come live in northern Ireland before u all start spouting about the dup come and see what good they have done in our wee country when the British government can't be bothered with us. They only want to know about us know cause they are in the shit. Well I say if the Dup can get money out of them to help our wee country just bloody right. It could be a lot worse they could be depending on Sinn Fein IRA then you would all be in the shit. So dry your fucking eyes and remember what northern Ireland has come through before u start slagging us That doesn't fit the left wing rhetoric. equally Clem it does not fit those in the Tory party who see discrimination as acceptable or women's rights as being controlled by a church set back in its stone age views.. am totally happy being rhetorical with those of a similar mind whatever they support politically.. Sounds to me like you think that your beliefs are more important than those of an established religion, or do you think religious beliefs should have no part to play in modern politics. " equally happy with my beliefs thanks.. same with not wanting people to be set alight or thrown off buildings because of someones perception of what they think their faith says.. ditto when people murder innocent people who work in abortion clinics in the states.. love that you say an 'established religion' like it should never be challenged when it is acting in a manner that is immoral and has led to women buying pills online to terminate a pregnancy and then they have bled out to such an extent that they needed emergency surgery.. or where a 21 yr old woman was convicted for inducing an abortion through pills brought online and received a suspended sentence.. religious beliefs by and large and the good things done under whatever faith people choose to follow are part and parcel of our communities.. but you know that is not the issue here.. | |||
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"Come live in northern Ireland before u all start spouting about the dup come and see what good they have done in our wee country when the British government can't be bothered with us. They only want to know about us know cause they are in the shit. Well I say if the Dup can get money out of them to help our wee country just bloody right. It could be a lot worse they could be depending on Sinn Fein IRA then you would all be in the shit. So dry your fucking eyes and remember what northern Ireland has come through before u start slagging us That doesn't fit the left wing rhetoric. equally Clem it does not fit those in the Tory party who see discrimination as acceptable or women's rights as being controlled by a church set back in its stone age views.. am totally happy being rhetorical with those of a similar mind whatever they support politically.. Sounds to me like you think that your beliefs are more important than those of an established religion, or do you think religious beliefs should have no part to play in modern politics. " There's nothing wrong with people voting in accordance with their religious beliefs, I do all the time. However if you base your political parties support on people's religious beliefs then it's perfectly acceptable for people to question those religious/political believes. In the case of the DUP those believes are found by most in the UK to be unacceptable. | |||
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"Come live in northern Ireland before u all start spouting about the dup come and see what good they have done in our wee country when the British government can't be bothered with us. They only want to know about us know cause they are in the shit. Well I say if the Dup can get money out of them to help our wee country just bloody right. It could be a lot worse they could be depending on Sinn Fein IRA then you would all be in the shit. So dry your fucking eyes and remember what northern Ireland has come through before u start slagging us That doesn't fit the left wing rhetoric. equally Clem it does not fit those in the Tory party who see discrimination as acceptable or women's rights as being controlled by a church set back in its stone age views.. am totally happy being rhetorical with those of a similar mind whatever they support politically.. Sounds to me like you think that your beliefs are more important than those of an established religion, or do you think religious beliefs should have no part to play in modern politics. There's nothing wrong with people voting in accordance with their religious beliefs, I do all the time. However if you base your political parties support on people's religious beliefs then it's perfectly acceptable for people to question those religious/political believes. In the case of the DUP those believes are found by most in the UK to be unacceptable." I find them unacceptable and am not impressed with the prospect that the world will view the UK with the same disdain and deserved contempt that Trumps mindset provokes | |||
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"Come live in northern Ireland before u all start spouting about the dup come and see what good they have done in our wee country when the British government can't be bothered with us. They only want to know about us know cause they are in the shit. Well I say if the Dup can get money out of them to help our wee country just bloody right. It could be a lot worse they could be depending on Sinn Fein IRA then you would all be in the shit. So dry your fucking eyes and remember what northern Ireland has come through before u start slagging us That doesn't fit the left wing rhetoric. equally Clem it does not fit those in the Tory party who see discrimination as acceptable or women's rights as being controlled by a church set back in its stone age views.. am totally happy being rhetorical with those of a similar mind whatever they support politically.. Sounds to me like you think that your beliefs are more important than those of an established religion, or do you think religious beliefs should have no part to play in modern politics. There's nothing wrong with people voting in accordance with their religious beliefs, I do all the time. However if you base your political parties support on people's religious beliefs then it's perfectly acceptable for people to question those religious/political believes. In the case of the DUP those believes are found by most in the UK to be unacceptable. I find them unacceptable and am not impressed with the prospect that the world will view the UK with the same disdain and deserved contempt that Trumps mindset provokes " The world...... i reckon there's more countries out there aligned with anti homosexual and anti abortion than there is who share the UK's liberal stance on them. | |||
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"Come live in northern Ireland before u all start spouting about the dup come and see what good they have done in our wee country when the British government can't be bothered with us. They only want to know about us know cause they are in the shit. Well I say if the Dup can get money out of them to help our wee country just bloody right. It could be a lot worse they could be depending on Sinn Fein IRA then you would all be in the shit. So dry your fucking eyes and remember what northern Ireland has come through before u start slagging us That doesn't fit the left wing rhetoric. equally Clem it does not fit those in the Tory party who see discrimination as acceptable or women's rights as being controlled by a church set back in its stone age views.. am totally happy being rhetorical with those of a similar mind whatever they support politically.. Sounds to me like you think that your beliefs are more important than those of an established religion, or do you think religious beliefs should have no part to play in modern politics. There's nothing wrong with people voting in accordance with their religious beliefs, I do all the time. However if you base your political parties support on people's religious beliefs then it's perfectly acceptable for people to question those religious/political believes. In the case of the DUP those believes are found by most in the UK to be unacceptable. I find them unacceptable and am not impressed with the prospect that the world will view the UK with the same disdain and deserved contempt that Trumps mindset provokes The world...... i reckon there's more countries out there aligned with anti homosexual and anti abortion than there is who share the UK's liberal stance on them. " Sadly I know you are right , and it would be my opinion that good humans should try to change this , peacefully x | |||
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"she should have come up with a less hypocritical plan ... and preferably one that wasn't just a childish self serving attempt at holding on to power that she has no mandate for And again I have to ask, like what? Resigning because you won the most seats in a general election would be a little bizarre..... But the question remains, what else could she do? I've been eagerly watching for an actual answer here and other places. People are very willing to criticise but when you ask for a better option, no answer other than "something else". What something else? " why ask me .... i don't get paid her kind of wages to come up with ideas .... she's made stupid decision after stupid decision for weeks now and has just dragged this country further and further into the shit swamp .... i have every right to call her out over her mistakes and the mistakes made by the idiots who have voted for these idiots | |||
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"Out of interest what would your view be if She was doing a deal with Sinn Fein IRA ....... Even worse " Is that worse than the DUP UVF UDA | |||
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"Out of interest what would your view be if She was doing a deal with Sinn Fein IRA ....... What's your thoughts on the LGBT community and gay rights and abortion?" Is it not a free country to have views on whatever subject and be able to air those views freely,but without encouraging violence against others of course. Take two different subjects, fox hunting and abortion, both involve death which is right which is wrong ? Certainly strong views on both sides of both subjects are you saying that people cant have an opinion that is different to mine or yours, that doesnt sound like a country I want to be a part of | |||
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"Read your bible thats why!!!!! I am married I didn't get married in a church because I had children out of wedlock!!!! And abortion should not be used to get rid of a baby because it's an inconvenience. If you don't want a child u should take the correct measures as not to get pregnant. Abortion should only be if the child or mother is at risk if the mother has been abused etc That's fine as your opinion, but you can't force it onto others. Banning abortion only leads to women dying when they try and do it themselves. " I am not forcing my opinion on any one never have never will | |||
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"Trouble is, for the last few years people have been trying to force their opinion on others. And insulting those who happen to have a different view. I'll make my view clear here. Those who try to get others to change their mind by using stupid names and insults (comrade Cornyn, Maygabe etc) are not contributing to intelligent debate. Those who post memes from left or right wing groups or newspapers like they are holy facts are also not helping. Those who bring up something a party did more than 20 years ago are hardly engaging in current affairs. So let me state where I stand (given that I voted Tory so am already a target of hatred): The Tories conducted an absolutely crap campaign of insulting Labour and particularly Corbyn. This was pathetic and I am ashamed that this was the path they chose. Labour had a better put together campaign and manifesto but despite the costing document found on their site alongside it, those incomes would not have been even nearly realised. Therefore I had to vote with those who were more realistic. Labour however were not innocent when it came to mud slinging either. My hope is that instead of circle jerking, people will engage and debate (read that as not insult or abuse) people planning to vote differently to themselves. Maybe we could actually get somewhere..... Not one view will EVER be changed by calling people thick or selfish or greedy. This should be obvious!! " Very true and well said, some on here need to hang their heads in shame, insults dont improve anyones argument and to be fair it is mainly from the left of politics it comes from, on here anyway, IMVHO of course | |||
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"Read your bible thats why!!!!! I am married I didn't get married in a church because I had children out of wedlock!!!! And abortion should not be used to get rid of a baby because it's an inconvenience. If you don't want a child u should take the correct measures as not to get pregnant. Abortion should only be if the child or mother is at risk if the mother has been abused etc " So much anger . What does your church think about you being here amongst us sinners.Dont you think you are being very self righteous.Considering where you are posting.What rigjts are you prepared to give up because of the opinions of others.. | |||
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"Trouble is, for the last few years people have been trying to force their opinion on others. And insulting those who happen to have a different view. I'll make my view clear here. Those who try to get others to change their mind by using stupid names and insults (comrade Cornyn, Maygabe etc) are not contributing to intelligent debate. Those who post memes from left or right wing groups or newspapers like they are holy facts are also not helping. Those who bring up something a party did more than 20 years ago are hardly engaging in current affairs. So let me state where I stand (given that I voted Tory so am already a target of hatred): The Tories conducted an absolutely crap campaign of insulting Labour and particularly Corbyn. This was pathetic and I am ashamed that this was the path they chose. Labour had a better put together campaign and manifesto but despite the costing document found on their site alongside it, those incomes would not have been even nearly realised. Therefore I had to vote with those who were more realistic. Labour however were not innocent when it came to mud slinging either. My hope is that instead of circle jerking, people will engage and debate (read that as not insult or abuse) people planning to vote differently to themselves. Maybe we could actually get somewhere..... Not one view will EVER be changed by calling people thick or selfish or greedy. This should be obvious!! Very true and well said, some on here need to hang their heads in shame, insults dont improve anyones argument and to be fair it is mainly from the left of politics it comes from, on here anyway, IMVHO of course" because neither of you are guilty of what you are accusing others of ... physician heal thyself  | |||
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"Read your bible thats why!!!!! I am married I didn't get married in a church because I had children out of wedlock!!!! And abortion should not be used to get rid of a baby because it's an inconvenience. If you don't want a child u should take the correct measures as not to get pregnant. Abortion should only be if the child or mother is at risk if the mother has been abused etc So much anger . What does your church think about you being here amongst us sinners.Dont you think you are being very self righteous.Considering where you are posting.What rigjts are you prepared to give up because of the opinions of others.." Catch yourself on Did I say I belonged to any church I just said what I believed in I've nothing against gay marriage I just don't think it needs to be in a church. As I said I didn't get married in a church as what I'd done was against the bible's teachings. So get over Your self. | |||
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"Trouble is, for the last few years people have been trying to force their opinion on others. And insulting those who happen to have a different view. I'll make my view clear here. Those who try to get others to change their mind by using stupid names and insults (comrade Cornyn, Maygabe etc) are not contributing to intelligent debate. Those who post memes from left or right wing groups or newspapers like they are holy facts are also not helping. Those who bring up something a party did more than 20 years ago are hardly engaging in current affairs. So let me state where I stand (given that I voted Tory so am already a target of hatred): The Tories conducted an absolutely crap campaign of insulting Labour and particularly Corbyn. This was pathetic and I am ashamed that this was the path they chose. Labour had a better put together campaign and manifesto but despite the costing document found on their site alongside it, those incomes would not have been even nearly realised. Therefore I had to vote with those who were more realistic. Labour however were not innocent when it came to mud slinging either. My hope is that instead of circle jerking, people will engage and debate (read that as not insult or abuse) people planning to vote differently to themselves. Maybe we could actually get somewhere..... Not one view will EVER be changed by calling people thick or selfish or greedy. This should be obvious!! Very true and well said, some on here need to hang their heads in shame, insults dont improve anyones argument and to be fair it is mainly from the left of politics it comes from, on here anyway, IMVHO of course because neither of you are guilty of what you are accusing others of ... physician heal thyself "Go on then find one post where I have abused anyone here or called any politican a stupid or rude name, I expect it will be a long wait and not seen any from Tvbeth that I recall, unlike yourself I'm afraid | |||
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"Read your bible thats why!!!!! I am married I didn't get married in a church because I had children out of wedlock!!!! And abortion should not be used to get rid of a baby because it's an inconvenience. If you don't want a child u should take the correct measures as not to get pregnant. Abortion should only be if the child or mother is at risk if the mother has been abused etc So much anger . What does your church think about you being here amongst us sinners.Dont you think you are being very self righteous.Considering where you are posting.What rigjts are you prepared to give up because of the opinions of others.. Catch yourself on Did I say I belonged to any church I just said what I believed in I've nothing against gay marriage I just don't think it needs to be in a church. As I said I didn't get married in a church as what I'd done was against the bible's teachings. So get over Your self. " Oh so the bronze age teachings of middle east nomads allows you to decide whats right and wrong. Because the bible tells me so.It telks yoy slavery is ok..You right with that also. I think youll find the same teachings condems you to hell for your actions. If you dont like your rights taken away stay the fuck away from the rights of others. . | |||
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"Trouble is, for the last few years people have been trying to force their opinion on others. And insulting those who happen to have a different view. I'll make my view clear here. Those who try to get others to change their mind by using stupid names and insults (comrade Cornyn, Maygabe etc) are not contributing to intelligent debate. Those who post memes from left or right wing groups or newspapers like they are holy facts are also not helping. Those who bring up something a party did more than 20 years ago are hardly engaging in current affairs. So let me state where I stand (given that I voted Tory so am already a target of hatred): The Tories conducted an absolutely crap campaign of insulting Labour and particularly Corbyn. This was pathetic and I am ashamed that this was the path they chose. Labour had a better put together campaign and manifesto but despite the costing document found on their site alongside it, those incomes would not have been even nearly realised. Therefore I had to vote with those who were more realistic. Labour however were not innocent when it came to mud slinging either. My hope is that instead of circle jerking, people will engage and debate (read that as not insult or abuse) people planning to vote differently to themselves. Maybe we could actually get somewhere..... Not one view will EVER be changed by calling people thick or selfish or greedy. This should be obvious!! Very true and well said, some on here need to hang their heads in shame, insults dont improve anyones argument and to be fair it is mainly from the left of politics it comes from, on here anyway, IMVHO of course because neither of you are guilty of what you are accusing others of ... physician heal thyself
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"Come live in northern Ireland before u all start spouting about the dup come and see what good they have done in our wee country when the British government can't be bothered with us. They only want to know about us know cause they are in the shit. Well I say if the Dup can get money out of them to help our wee country just bloody right. It could be a lot worse they could be depending on Sinn Fein IRA then you would all be in the shit. So dry your fucking eyes and remember what northern Ireland has come through before u start slagging us That doesn't fit the left wing rhetoric. equally Clem it does not fit those in the Tory party who see discrimination as acceptable or women's rights as being controlled by a church set back in its stone age views.. am totally happy being rhetorical with those of a similar mind whatever they support politically.. Sounds to me like you think that your beliefs are more important than those of an established religion, or do you think religious beliefs should have no part to play in modern politics. There's nothing wrong with people voting in accordance with their religious beliefs, I do all the time. However if you base your political parties support on people's religious beliefs then it's perfectly acceptable for people to question those religious/political believes. In the case of the DUP those believes are found by most in the UK to be unacceptable. I find them unacceptable and am not impressed with the prospect that the world will view the UK with the same disdain and deserved contempt that Trumps mindset provokes The world...... i reckon there's more countries out there aligned with anti homosexual and anti abortion than there is who share the UK's liberal stance on them. " yes there are and one day personally speaking i would like to think those views may change.. but we don't have the party in Government in an alliance with them in order to have a majority in our Parliament.. | |||
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"Trouble is, for the last few years people have been trying to force their opinion on others. And insulting those who happen to have a different view. I'll make my view clear here. Those who try to get others to change their mind by using stupid names and insults (comrade Cornyn, Maygabe etc) are not contributing to intelligent debate. Those who post memes from left or right wing groups or newspapers like they are holy facts are also not helping. Those who bring up something a party did more than 20 years ago are hardly engaging in current affairs. So let me state where I stand (given that I voted Tory so am already a target of hatred): The Tories conducted an absolutely crap campaign of insulting Labour and particularly Corbyn. This was pathetic and I am ashamed that this was the path they chose. Labour had a better put together campaign and manifesto but despite the costing document found on their site alongside it, those incomes would not have been even nearly realised. Therefore I had to vote with those who were more realistic. Labour however were not innocent when it came to mud slinging either. My hope is that instead of circle jerking, people will engage and debate (read that as not insult or abuse) people planning to vote differently to themselves. Maybe we could actually get somewhere..... Not one view will EVER be changed by calling people thick or selfish or greedy. This should be obvious!! Very true and well said, some on here need to hang their heads in shame, insults dont improve anyones argument and to be fair it is mainly from the left of politics it comes from, on here anyway, IMVHO of course" I don't know. In 2015 I was called tory scum. In 2016 I was called an uneducated member of the liberal elite. In 2017 I'm being called a loony lefty. | |||
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"Trouble is, for the last few years people have been trying to force their opinion on others. And insulting those who happen to have a different view. I'll make my view clear here. Those who try to get others to change their mind by using stupid names and insults (comrade Cornyn, Maygabe etc) are not contributing to intelligent debate. Those who post memes from left or right wing groups or newspapers like they are holy facts are also not helping. Those who bring up something a party did more than 20 years ago are hardly engaging in current affairs. So let me state where I stand (given that I voted Tory so am already a target of hatred): The Tories conducted an absolutely crap campaign of insulting Labour and particularly Corbyn. This was pathetic and I am ashamed that this was the path they chose. Labour had a better put together campaign and manifesto but despite the costing document found on their site alongside it, those incomes would not have been even nearly realised. Therefore I had to vote with those who were more realistic. Labour however were not innocent when it came to mud slinging either. My hope is that instead of circle jerking, people will engage and debate (read that as not insult or abuse) people planning to vote differently to themselves. Maybe we could actually get somewhere..... Not one view will EVER be changed by calling people thick or selfish or greedy. This should be obvious!! " Beth i don't hate you.. i said something similar before the referendum last year but to be honest it didn't last long at all.. i think its more the now and what the DUP's policies are which are the issue.. the stuff about links to terrorism were and will remain inevitable given the attacks on Corbyn, especially those made by the Tory party.. | |||
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"Trouble is, for the last few years people have been trying to force their opinion on others. And insulting those who happen to have a different view. I'll make my view clear here. Those who try to get others to change their mind by using stupid names and insults (comrade Cornyn, Maygabe etc) are not contributing to intelligent debate. Those who post memes from left or right wing groups or newspapers like they are holy facts are also not helping. Those who bring up something a party did more than 20 years ago are hardly engaging in current affairs. So let me state where I stand (given that I voted Tory so am already a target of hatred): The Tories conducted an absolutely crap campaign of insulting Labour and particularly Corbyn. This was pathetic and I am ashamed that this was the path they chose. Labour had a better put together campaign and manifesto but despite the costing document found on their site alongside it, those incomes would not have been even nearly realised. Therefore I had to vote with those who were more realistic. Labour however were not innocent when it came to mud slinging either. My hope is that instead of circle jerking, people will engage and debate (read that as not insult or abuse) people planning to vote differently to themselves. Maybe we could actually get somewhere..... Not one view will EVER be changed by calling people thick or selfish or greedy. This should be obvious!! Very true and well said, some on here need to hang their heads in shame, insults dont improve anyones argument and to be fair it is mainly from the left of politics it comes from, on here anyway, IMVHO of course I don't know. In 2015 I was called tory scum. In 2016 I was called an uneducated member of the liberal elite. In 2017 I'm being called a loony lefty." Stick with loonyism it outlasted thatcherism. | |||
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"Read your bible thats why!!!!! I am married I didn't get married in a church because I had children out of wedlock!!!! And abortion should not be used to get rid of a baby because it's an inconvenience. If you don't want a child u should take the correct measures as not to get pregnant. Abortion should only be if the child or mother is at risk if the mother has been abused etc So much anger . What does your church think about you being here amongst us sinners.Dont you think you are being very self righteous.Considering where you are posting.What rigjts are you prepared to give up because of the opinions of others.. Catch yourself on Did I say I belonged to any church I just said what I believed in I've nothing against gay marriage I just don't think it needs to be in a church. As I said I didn't get married in a church as what I'd done was against the bible's teachings. So get over Your self. Slippery customer arnt you Interestingly a person does not need to be explicit to still express their opinions or have the correct inference me their opinions You have clearly said the words written within a known religious text book directly influenced your actions , thus it is plain you feel that the story behind the words contain truth , ie you think a god has given instruction, you feel should be adhered to (not getting married in church due to a biblical sin) whether you wish to accept it or not that view point is religious You may want to say that as you do not wholly commit to a religious adherence that you are not religious but the fact me your belief coupled with your words suggesting you do on occasion try to conform to to the objective atheist mean you are religious xxx" I have beliefs but I am not religious as I believe no one has the right to tell any one what to believe. Religion is what causes so much trouble and hatred in this world we live in. | |||
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"So........ what should May have done? Anything other than a deal with DUP. This DUP deal is so toxic it could make the Conservatives unelectable for a decade or more. Like what? there is actually a political answer to this..... the political answer would be to get every other party to vote down the queens speech.... everyone else would... but this is the DUP's most ever mp's... and potentially they could vote down any legistlation they liked afterward.... but it wouldn't be enough ? " thats why the tories can try and do it without a deal.... because it would take every other single party to do it..... even if the DUP abstained in a queens speech/no confidence motion.... the tories would win.... they dont have to do a deal.... all the deal actually does is creates stability is that worth the backlash.... apparently may thinks so | |||
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"So........ what should May have done? Anything other than a deal with DUP. This DUP deal is so toxic it could make the Conservatives unelectable for a decade or more. Like what? there is actually a political answer to this..... the political answer would be to get every other party to vote down the queens speech.... everyone else would... but this is the DUP's most ever mp's... and potentially they could vote down any legistlation they liked afterward.... but it wouldn't be enough ? thats why the tories can try and do it without a deal.... because it would take every other single party to do it..... even if the DUP abstained in a queens speech/no confidence motion.... the tories would win.... they dont have to do a deal.... all the deal actually does is creates stability is that worth the backlash.... apparently may thinks so" My maths came to the same conclusion and my opinion is that siding with the dup is a deep can of unknowable worms that will eventually open All governments should stay impartial with regards to northern Ireland | |||
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"The deal with the DUP is not the coalition that some people seem to think it is. It is supposed to be a vote by vote arrangement. If they ask the DUP to abstain though, a couple of rogue Tories could kill it off. If the DUP pass it then it would be harder to kill. " there is no real difference beth as the government are not going to bring up any bill they don't think would have the support of the DUP for that precise reason.... | |||
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"Go on then find one post where I have abused anyone here or called any politican a stupid or rude name, I expect it will be a long wait and not seen any from Tvbeth that I recall, unlike yourself I'm afraid Have you had too much sauce tonight?" yep plenty of the red stuff on my chips | |||
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this and the last post are just two examples of your insults from one thread in the last few days alone .... i can't be arsed to list any more out of the plethora of examples of your previous insults ... you're just not worth the effort"did you spot the emojis that shows its meant as a joke not an insult  | |||
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this and the last post are just two examples of your insults from one thread in the last few days alone .... i can't be arsed to list any more out of the plethora of examples of your previous insults ... you're just not worth the effort
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"Is finding all the descriptions of the DUP, from opponents of the DUP, which are being circulated on social media designed to misinform the British public fascinating.. some look very slick and polished but are clearly designed to make people in Northern Ireland look stupid.. To all those interested in the truth about us.. In my humble opinion.. The majority of people in Northern Ireland are (small c) conservative in our outlook.. We value all life, even the unwanted lives, we cherish the family, we protect religious freedoms for all, we do not persecute anyone or deny their freedoms as long as those freedoms do not impinge on the freedoms of others, we do not like government sticking its hands in our pockets or lives, we help those in trouble contributing greatly to many charities, we are not as cynical as we should be at times and our sincerity is often abused.. but we are loyal to our friends and family, sticking together through thick and thin.. We all love our wee land in different ways and want things to improve for our children.. we are romantics when it comes to our island home.. We have made mistakes and so have our leaders, we're not afraid of hard work or hard times.. we have had our share of them and come through.. We do not like to quit.. better yet why not get to know someone from Northern Ireland.." You did your people no favours by saying "Read your bible!!!!" in response to a question. Id say you reinforced the opinion that guidance comes from god not from the state. | |||
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"Is finding all the descriptions of the DUP, from opponents of the DUP, which are being circulated on social media designed to misinform the British public fascinating.. some look very slick and polished but are clearly designed to make people in Northern Ireland look stupid.. To all those interested in the truth about us.. In my humble opinion.. The majority of people in Northern Ireland are (small c) conservative in our outlook.. We value all life, even the unwanted lives, we cherish the family, we protect religious freedoms for all, we do not persecute anyone or deny their freedoms as long as those freedoms do not impinge on the freedoms of others, we do not like government sticking its hands in our pockets or lives, we help those in trouble contributing greatly to many charities, we are not as cynical as we should be at times and our sincerity is often abused.. but we are loyal to our friends and family, sticking together through thick and thin.. We all love our wee land in different ways and want things to improve for our children.. we are romantics when it comes to our island home.. We have made mistakes and so have our leaders, we're not afraid of hard work or hard times.. we have had our share of them and come through.. We do not like to quit.. better yet why not get to know someone from Northern Ireland.." thats all well and good... but lets actually look at DUP Policy... it is hard to say they are anti "choice...." we know it is the only part of the uk where abortion is illegal and criminal... that does not allow for ra pe, or in cest, or fetal abnormality we know they are anti same sex marriage because they have used the mechanisms of the northern ireland assembly to block it even those most MLA's voted for it... We know they have stopped evolution being taught in schools because they are creationists... We know a lot of them think Climate change does not exist...... so.... did i get any of that wrong... and that without their links in the past with terrorist organisations.... | |||
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"Again I ask what is worse DUP or Sinn Fein IRA . Open your eyes. Every political party has things people will disagree with. " Its not the dup they have a problem with its the tory party, they didnt like the brexit vote and they dont like this one, it appears we have a democratic system where the losers now want a second go till they get the answer they want | |||
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"Again I ask what is worse DUP or Sinn Fein IRA . Open your eyes. Every political party has things people will disagree with. Its not the dup they have a problem with its the tory party, they didnt like the brexit vote and they dont like this one, it appears we have a democratic system where the losers now want a second go till they get the answer they want "It would seem so They just need to suck it up and get on with it | |||
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"Again I ask what is worse DUP or Sinn Fein IRA . Open your eyes. Every political party has things people will disagree with. " i don't believe there is a difference.... however if people (those on the right) wanted to open that door in relation to corbyn's links to sinn fein, then it is absolutely fair that you question a link between the conservatives and the DUP | |||
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"Again I ask what is worse DUP or Sinn Fein IRA . Open your eyes. Every political party has things people will disagree with. Its not the dup they have a problem with its the tory party, they didnt like the brexit vote and they dont like this one, it appears we have a democratic system where the losers now want a second go till they get the answer they want "FFS its like brexit on the brain for some people...... its happening! (probably now not in the sense that you want it to..... but that pleases me!) and people have moved on... well... except for those who keep bleating on about the fabled hard brexit!!! | |||
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"Is finding all the descriptions of the DUP, from opponents of the DUP, which are being circulated on social media designed to misinform the British public fascinating.. some look very slick and polished but are clearly designed to make people in Northern Ireland look stupid.. To all those interested in the truth about us.. In my humble opinion.. The majority of people in Northern Ireland are (small c) conservative in our outlook.. We value all life, even the unwanted lives, we cherish the family, we protect religious freedoms for all, we do not persecute anyone or deny their freedoms as long as those freedoms do not impinge on the freedoms of others, we do not like government sticking its hands in our pockets or lives, we help those in trouble contributing greatly to many charities, we are not as cynical as we should be at times and our sincerity is often abused.. but we are loyal to our friends and family, sticking together through thick and thin.. We all love our wee land in different ways and want things to improve for our children.. we are romantics when it comes to our island home.. We have made mistakes and so have our leaders, we're not afraid of hard work or hard times.. we have had our share of them and come through.. We do not like to quit.. better yet why not get to know someone from Northern Ireland.. thats all well and good... but lets actually look at DUP Policy... it is hard to say they are anti "choice...." we know it is the only part of the uk where abortion is illegal and criminal... that does not allow for ra pe, or in cest, or fetal abnormality we know they are anti same sex marriage because they have used the mechanisms of the northern ireland assembly to block it even those most MLA's voted for it... We know they have stopped evolution being taught in schools because they are creationists... We know a lot of them think Climate change does not exist...... so.... did i get any of that wrong... and that without their links in the past with terrorist organisations...." No your on the money.They arent on the same page of progressive enlightened nations . | |||
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"Again I ask what is worse DUP or Sinn Fein IRA . Open your eyes. Every political party has things people will disagree with. Its not the dup they have a problem with its the tory party, they didnt like the brexit vote and they dont like this one, it appears we have a democratic system where the losers now want a second go till they get the answer they want "Sis you cast your vote in the hope that the political direction of this country would be in the hands of a political party, with dubious views at best, who managed to get fewer than 300,000 votes? | |||
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"Again I ask what is worse DUP or Sinn Fein IRA . Open your eyes. Every political party has things people will disagree with. Its not the dup they have a problem with its the tory party, they didnt like the brexit vote and they dont like this one, it appears we have a democratic system where the losers now want a second go till they get the answer they want
It would seem so
They just need to suck it up and get on with it "Democracy at it's best then? I really like the idea of my country being led a merry dance by a bunch of religious nutters | |||
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"Again I ask what is worse DUP or Sinn Fein IRA . Open your eyes. Every political party has things people will disagree with. Its not the dup they have a problem with its the tory party, they didnt like the brexit vote and they dont like this one, it appears we have a democratic system where the losers now want a second go till they get the answer they want
It would seem so
They just need to suck it up and get on with it
Democracy at it's best then? I really like the idea of my country being led a merry dance by a bunch of religious nutters"You say "nutters", I say "religious extremist terrorists". | |||
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"Again I ask what is worse DUP or Sinn Fein IRA . Open your eyes. Every political party has things people will disagree with. Its not the dup they have a problem with its the tory party, they didnt like the brexit vote and they dont like this one, it appears we have a democratic system where the losers now want a second go till they get the answer they want
Sis you cast your vote in the hope that the political direction of this country would be in the hands of a political party, with dubious views at best, who managed to get fewer than 300,000 votes? "but you would be quite happy if snp could do the same, vote per mp not far apart | |||
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"Again I ask what is worse DUP or Sinn Fein IRA . Open your eyes. Every political party has things people will disagree with. Its not the dup they have a problem with its the tory party, they didnt like the brexit vote and they dont like this one, it appears we have a democratic system where the losers now want a second go till they get the answer they want
Sis you cast your vote in the hope that the political direction of this country would be in the hands of a political party, with dubious views at best, who managed to get fewer than 300,000 votes?
but you would be quite happy if snp could do the same, vote per mp not far apart"did you really just conflate the history of the DUP and their links to the terrorist movement to the SNP now........ okay........... just going to let that stew......... | |||
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"Again I ask what is worse DUP or Sinn Fein IRA . Open your eyes. Every political party has things people will disagree with. Its not the dup they have a problem with its the tory party, they didnt like the brexit vote and they dont like this one, it appears we have a democratic system where the losers now want a second go till they get the answer they want
Sis you cast your vote in the hope that the political direction of this country would be in the hands of a political party, with dubious views at best, who managed to get fewer than 300,000 votes?
but you would be quite happy if snp could do the same, vote per mp not far apart"Not at all, though at least there are rather more people who voted SNP than DUP.....Let me repeat, less than 300,000 people voted DUP, and theyre in charge. That is hardly democracy's finest moment | |||
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"Some people need to look more closely at the history of what went on in NI before jumping on social media headlines. The DUP were formed in 1971 and were only ever political campaigners. They may have expressed sympathetic views towards organisations like the UDF etc but, unlike Sinn Fein they were not actually part of it. Corbyn, however, was talking too active IRA members immediately after Brighton bombing etc. But, having said that (just to set things a bit more straight), that's in the past. Things have moved on. What the DUP are, are homophobic, sexist bigots.... so yes, have a go at May and her cronies....but do so for the RIGHT REASONS. Support your arguments with reason.....not social media bollocks." | |||
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"Some people need to look more closely at the history of what went on in NI before jumping on social media headlines. The DUP were formed in 1971 and were only ever political campaigners. They may have expressed sympathetic views towards organisations like the UDF etc but, unlike Sinn Fein they were not actually part of it. Corbyn, however, was talking too active IRA members immediately after Brighton bombing etc. But, having said that (just to set things a bit more straight), that's in the past. Things have moved on. What the DUP are, are homophobic, sexist bigots.... so yes, have a go at May and her cronies....but do so for the RIGHT REASONS. Support your arguments with reason.....not social media bollocks. "Ok, just without any research here are a few links between the DUP and paramilitary organisations. Go have a google of the following. Arelene Foster and Dee Stitt Robin Newton Charter NI Peter Robinson Clontibret Dee Stitt ice cream (yep)
Noel Little Ulster Resistance
Arlene Foster Jackie McDonald
Loyalist Communities Council DUP
So you still think it's just bollocks?
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"Again I ask what is worse DUP or Sinn Fein IRA . Open your eyes. Every political party has things people will disagree with. " They're 2 sides of the same coin. The DUP and Sinn Fein have been the exact same on opposite sides since the beginning. Both are politcal parties, both have supported terrorists, the IRA was inextricably linked with Sinn Fein until the 1990s, the DUP has supported terrorism for decades and in the 80s when they felt loyalist terrorists werent going far enough created a new terrorist group. They robbed banks, murdered, terrorised and even stole missile technology from Britain to send to foreign parties in exchange for arms. Ian Paisley and Peter Robinson were openly the leaders of a terrorist organisation and leaders of the DUP up until 2016. One is no worse than the other. | |||
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"Mr Paisley was never in an organisation McGuiness on the other hand was a know commander " bollocks .... paisley formed the third force who were just another of a bunch of gun toting balaclava wearing gangsters it's not contest of which terror organisation is more or less righteous than the other .... they all look the same when they kick down the door of your bedsit in the holy lands and demand you sell drugs for them ... wether it's the INLA, UDF, UVA, RHC, IPLO, IRLA, CIRA, RIRA, OIRA, PIRA, LVF, UVF, UDF, RUC, SAS etc etc .... they're all as shite as each other and they should fuck off and leave everyone alone | |||
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"Again I ask what is worse DUP or Sinn Fein IRA . Open your eyes. Every political party has things people will disagree with. They're 2 sides of the same coin. The DUP and Sinn Fein have been the exact same on opposite sides since the beginning. Both are politcal parties, both have supported terrorists, the IRA was inextricably linked with Sinn Fein until the 1990s, the DUP has supported terrorism for decades and in the 80s when they felt loyalist terrorists werent going far enough created a new terrorist group. They robbed banks, murdered, terrorised and even stole missile technology from Britain to send to foreign parties in exchange for arms. Ian Paisley and Peter Robinson were openly the leaders of a terrorist organisation and leaders of the DUP up until 2016. One is no worse than the other." Sinn fein nd the ira r the same thing . Mr numpty | |||
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" Sinn fein nd the ira r the same thing . Mr numpty" Nothing advances your argument like name calling. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/06/17 16:56:10]" that was one hell of a unionist rant ... not at all surprised that you deleted it | |||
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"38 years of Bombings, shootings, Executions and Terrorist activity (never once got a pop concert!). Unless you know the facts of the conflict in NI and lived through it - you know fuck all about living in Terror! Here's some facts to ponder when signing your pathetic excuse of a Petition to get Thursdays Election result nullified... 1. The Provisional IRA were responsible for 91% of ALL Terrorist activity between 1969 - 2017 2. The Royal Ulster Constabulary GC was disbanded as a Sinn Fein Demand despite being responsible for only 56 deaths during the entire period of the conflict 3. The IRA was responsible for killing 1907 people during the conflict period (more than 61% of the total number killed) 4. The IRA Killed more Catholics Civilians than every other Combatant Group (Police/Army/Loyalist Paramilitaries) combined 5. Martin McGuinness served 6 months in an Irish Prison in 1976 for IRA membership and weapons charges and said when sentenced 'I am a member or Orlaigh na h'Eirann (Army of Ireland) and am very proud" 6 As Commander of the IRA in Londonderry, Martin McGuinness was responsible for :- firebombing 80% of all the businesses in the City Centre between 1969 - 1974, Carrying out the Claudy Massacre killing 9 innocent Men, Women and Children Murdering 267 people during the time he admitted to being the Commander of Derry Brigade PIRA Was implicated in the IRA murder of Frank Hegarty whom he lured back to Derry after being outed as a 'Tout' (Informer) 7. The IRA carried out the Northern Bank Robbery in Belfast and got away with £26.3 Million whilst supposed to be on Ceasefire. 8. 17 of Sinn Fein's current 30 MLA'S have convictions for murder and/or violent Terrorist Activity. 9. Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams has been implicated as being responsible for the Disappearance and Murder of Belfast Woman Jean9. Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams has been implicated as being responsible for the Disappearance and Murder of Belfast Woman Jean McConville whose crime was to give comfort to a dying Soldier who had just been shot by an IRA sniper 10. The Labour Party have invited Sinn Fein to their Annual Party Conference every year since 1983. 11. The Scottish Nationalist Party talked of replicating the provos 'Armed Struggle' and contemplated beginning terrorist acts in Scotland to achieve independence from the UK 12. Former SNP Leader Alex Salmond set up the '79 Group' within the SNP and pushed to an armed campaign to be started and demanded that the SNP and Sinn Fein co-ordinate terrorist activity until the group was banned by the SNP and Salmond thrown out of the SNP in 1982. He was welcomed back into the SNP in 1985 and as leader forged links between Scottish and Irish Nationalist Groups such as the James Connolly movement. 13. The IRA to date have carried out over 20 thousand 'Kneecappings' and other forms of punishment shootings with 97% of those injured being from their own Community. 14. The majority of people born and living in Northern Ireland today has at least one family member or neighbour who was killed/injured/attacked by terrorists during the conflict 15 when Jeremy Corbyn came to visit NI he always stood on a platform with IRA murderers and no one else. He was NOT a Peacemaker - he was a Sympathiser of the IRA and promoted their ideology and actions along with those of Spanish separatists ETA, Palestinian Terrorists Hamas and Colombian guerrillas FARC. 16. Corbyn and Diane Abbott along with other prominent Labour MP'S along with Trade Union leaders were prominent members of the Troops Out movement which supported the IRA campaign and demanded British Troops be withdrawn from this part of the UK. They also called the RUC "Babykillers" and accused the Army of cold blooded murder. So the next time you snowflakes whinge on about the DUP - I suggest you learn some facts first and understand just who you are supporting - better still, fuck off and go cry to someone who gives a shit about your dim opinion. Thank you. ??" ...and the reposted it anyway ... i guess you do see terrorist ideology as a contest then  | |||
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"Trouble is, for the last few years people have been trying to force their opinion on others. And insulting those who happen to have a different view. I'll make my view clear here. Those who try to get others to change their mind by using stupid names and insults (comrade Cornyn, Maygabe etc) are not contributing to intelligent debate. Those who post memes from left or right wing groups or newspapers like they are holy facts are also not helping. Those who bring up something a party did more than 20 years ago are hardly engaging in current affairs. So let me state where I stand (given that I voted Tory so am already a target of hatred): The Tories conducted an absolutely crap campaign of insulting Labour and particularly Corbyn. This was pathetic and I am ashamed that this was the path they chose. Labour had a better put together campaign and manifesto but despite the costing document found on their site alongside it, those incomes would not have been even nearly realised. Therefore I had to vote with those who were more realistic. Labour however were not innocent when it came to mud slinging either. My hope is that instead of circle jerking, people will engage and debate (read that as not insult or abuse) people planning to vote differently to themselves. Maybe we could actually get somewhere..... Not one view will EVER be changed by calling people thick or selfish or greedy. This should be obvious!! " I don't usually side with your views but that is a great post | |||
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