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"Probably the best election campaign I've seen, and the manifesto went down really well. Even if he doesn't win today he's pulled back from way behind and made socialism part of the centre ground again." I totally agree Blairs labour has had the final nail but in its coffin  | |||
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"Probably the best election campaign I've seen, and the manifesto went down really well. Even if he doesn't win today he's pulled back from way behind and made socialism part of the centre ground again. I totally agree Blairs labour has had the final nail but in its coffin "And with it Labour's chances of ever forming a government on its own and Britain's chances of having a credible opposition to the Conservatives. A truly wonderful legacy for Jeremy to leave to the people of Britain. | |||
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"Whilst his campaign has exceeded my expectations of him I'm still not convinced my populist platitudes. He's flipped and turned on Nato, BREXIT, Trident and policing so many times that no one knows where he really stands on any of them. He has also set out to not govern for all the people of the UK but only the "many". No doubt that "many" will only be the "many" that fall for his populist message. If it was a straight choice between him and May I'd vote for May. Luckily it's not so I'm voting for Tim this time." I believe he will be good on NATO...I think on brexit he will get a better deal then may as iv a feeling she will fuck it up....on Trident we all know his views but it will still remain. But in the long term we all have to give it up hopefully
On the people he is aiming for the 95% which must be better the the current 5%.
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"I fear he will loose. I fear for my countries future... I am pretty sure this is the most important election since 1866 election which brought about the second reform act that finally did away with the rotten boroughs and gave all the men of Britain the right to vote. Of course this led to the universal suffrage and the representation of the people act of 1918 and the equal franchise act of 1928 which some may see as more important. However I think this election will be seen by history as being of equal importance because of the underlying issues. " I fear if he loses....but to be honest I really do not think the tories will win. And your very correct in the underlying issues as the tories have turned this into a very divided country. But you haven't answered the question on Corbyn? | |||
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"Probably the best election campaign I've seen, and the manifesto went down really well. Even if he doesn't win today he's pulled back from way behind and made socialism part of the centre ground again. I totally agree Blairs labour has had the final nail but in its coffin
And with it Labour's chances of ever forming a government on its own and Britain's chances of having a credible opposition to the Conservatives. A truly wonderful legacy for Jeremy to leave to the people of Britain."Would you sooner have blairite labour? I wouldn't! And I think your wrong as he has energised the voting system whereby labour have become very good contenders.....or maybe winners tomorrow.  | |||
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"I've still not voted yet, still can't make a decision. Can't get past Corbyn & Abbots remarks / lies / interviews on Supposedly not meeting IRA members when he did. Anti Trident. Anti NATO. Calling Hamas & fucking Hezbollah "friends" probably won't be long till ISIS / ISIL get added to his whatsapp friends list. Him sticking his cock in Diane Abbot years ago and now she's his fucking Shadow Home Secretary. Abbots interview crash after interview crash. She changes her views on world issues depending on hair styles. Maybe she is actually ill? Hate the Tories too by the way, just these issues are annoying me more than anything the Tories have so far. " There another post called swing vote...maybe that will help you choose in your quest. | |||
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"Whilst his campaign has exceeded my expectations of him I'm still not convinced my populist platitudes. He's flipped and turned on Nato, BREXIT, Trident and policing so many times that no one knows where he really stands on any of them. He has also set out to not govern for all the people of the UK but only the "many". No doubt that "many" will only be the "many" that fall for his populist message. If it was a straight choice between him and May I'd vote for May. Luckily it's not so I'm voting for Tim this time. I believe he will be good on NATO...I think on brexit he will get a better deal then may as iv a feeling she will fuck it up....on Trident we all know his views but it will still remain. But in the long term we all have to give it up hopefully
"There is no "good deal" to be had on BREXIT. The only good deal is to remain, any other deal is a bad deal. " On the people he is aiming for the 95% which must be better the the current 5%. " You may say and actually believe that the Tories only govern for the 5% but they, and all the other national parties including UKIP, say they want to govern for all. The only party saying it does not want to govern for all the people is the Labour party. How is that not decisive? " And on your voting I would have wished you would have went with JC but Tim is better then Teresa " | |||
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"Probably the best election campaign I've seen, and the manifesto went down really well. Even if he doesn't win today he's pulled back from way behind and made socialism part of the centre ground again. I totally agree Blairs labour has had the final nail but in its coffin
And with it Labour's chances of ever forming a government on its own and Britain's chances of having a credible opposition to the Conservatives. A truly wonderful legacy for Jeremy to leave to the people of Britain.
Would you sooner have blairite labour?
"I'm a right of centre liberal. Of course I'd rather have a left of centre liberal than a hard left populist, socialist demagog. " I wouldn't! And I think your wrong as he has energised the voting system whereby labour have become very good contenders.....or maybe winners tomorrow. "Let's wait and see.  | |||
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"Whilst his campaign has exceeded my expectations of him I'm still not convinced my populist platitudes. He's flipped and turned on Nato, BREXIT, Trident and policing so many times that no one knows where he really stands on any of them. He has also set out to not govern for all the people of the UK but only the "many". No doubt that "many" will only be the "many" that fall for his populist message. If it was a straight choice between him and May I'd vote for May. Luckily it's not so I'm voting for Tim this time. I believe he will be good on NATO...I think on brexit he will get a better deal then may as iv a feeling she will fuck it up....on Trident we all know his views but it will still remain. But in the long term we all have to give it up hopefully
There is no "good deal" to be had on BREXIT. The only good deal is to remain, any other deal is a bad deal.
On the people he is aiming for the 95% which must be better the the current 5%.
You may say and actually believe that the Tories only govern for the 5% but they, and all the other national parties including UKIP, say they want to govern for all. The only party saying it does not want to govern for all the people is the Labour party. How is that not decisive?
And on your voting I would have wished you would have went with JC but Tim is better then Teresa "When you stop splitting posts up....just a simple quote and bottom reply! You may get a answer.....I've seen a couple of yours were you've spit to make misquotations! It has been noted. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done?" 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! " He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt" I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying.  | |||
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"Whilst his campaign has exceeded my expectations of him I'm still not convinced my populist platitudes. He's flipped and turned on Nato, BREXIT, Trident and policing so many times that no one knows where he really stands on any of them. He has also set out to not govern for all the people of the UK but only the "many". No doubt that "many" will only be the "many" that fall for his populist message. If it was a straight choice between him and May I'd vote for May. Luckily it's not so I'm voting for Tim this time. I believe he will be good on NATO...I think on brexit he will get a better deal then may as iv a feeling she will fuck it up....on Trident we all know his views but it will still remain. But in the long term we all have to give it up hopefully
There is no "good deal" to be had on BREXIT. The only good deal is to remain, any other deal is a bad deal.
On the people he is aiming for the 95% which must be better the the current 5%.
You may say and actually believe that the Tories only govern for the 5% but they, and all the other national parties including UKIP, say they want to govern for all. The only party saying it does not want to govern for all the people is the Labour party. How is that not decisive?
And on your voting I would have wished you would have went with JC but Tim is better then Teresa
When you stop splitting posts up....just a simple quote and bottom reply! You may get a answer.....I've seen a couple of yours were you've spit to make misquotations! It has been noted."I don't think I've misquoted anyone ever but if you think I have please feel free to actually point out where. On the other hand you could just answer the points raised and not try to avoid and deflect from them. It's your choice. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! " At least he's only taking politics back to the 70s, unlike BREXIT which seems to want to take the whole country back to the 70s. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! At least he's only taking politics back to the 70s, unlike BREXIT which seems to want to take the whole country back to the 70s." The last stop on the brexit train is the 1950s. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! At least he's only taking politics back to the 70s, unlike BREXIT which seems to want to take the whole country back to the 70s." more like the 50's.. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying. "Yeah, but I was only 6 then. There is a huge section of the population that are young enough to see this as a change from the politics that they see as damaging to their future. -Matt | |||
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"Him - nasty piece of work Done - brainwashed the dim, naive and gullible. Abandoned the working class for a failed ideology and destroyed the Labour party/opposition" .. | |||
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" He's stopped millions of trade unionists like me voting Labour. " He's the reason my Union has re affiliated with Labour.. | |||
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"did he rip up your ballot paper then clem?" I don't believe the company i work for and the economy would do well under him. And i like to stay employed. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! " You weren't there at the time I was. .and do you know what...it was not a bad time! I enjoyed the seventies but you haven't a clue have you eh | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt" Obviously I couldn't agree more  | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying. "But Corbyn is doing a lot better then foot eh | |||
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"Whilst his campaign has exceeded my expectations of him I'm still not convinced my populist platitudes. He's flipped and turned on Nato, BREXIT, Trident and policing so many times that no one knows where he really stands on any of them. He has also set out to not govern for all the people of the UK but only the "many". No doubt that "many" will only be the "many" that fall for his populist message. If it was a straight choice between him and May I'd vote for May. Luckily it's not so I'm voting for Tim this time. I believe he will be good on NATO...I think on brexit he will get a better deal then may as iv a feeling she will fuck it up....on Trident we all know his views but it will still remain. But in the long term we all have to give it up hopefully
There is no "good deal" to be had on BREXIT. The only good deal is to remain, any other deal is a bad deal.
On the people he is aiming for the 95% which must be better the the current 5%.
You may say and actually believe that the Tories only govern for the 5% but they, and all the other national parties including UKIP, say they want to govern for all. The only party saying it does not want to govern for all the people is the Labour party. How is that not decisive?
And on your voting I would have wished you would have went with JC but Tim is better then Teresa
When you stop splitting posts up....just a simple quote and bottom reply! You may get a answer.....I've seen a couple of yours were you've spit to make misquotations! It has been noted.
I don't think I've misquoted anyone ever but if you think I have please feel free to actually point out where.
On the other hand you could just answer the points raised and not try to avoid and deflect from them. It's your choice."Thank you for quoting normally But on any further comments I give up as you are obviously one of those old retainers who cannot let it go...so I see no logic in any further discussion with you. | |||
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"Thinking about this with a smile here. David Cameron called it a last year. He's the Black Knight in Monty Python. Considering his flipping on principles, troubles and division in the party he leads, requests for resignation. He is still there somehow. "Tis but a scratch!"" If that was corbyn you are talking about....he will be about a good while either way. Unlike may...who I'll give a year max! | |||
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"Regardless of the result corbyn has finally re-established the clear difference between right & left. As an independence sceptical Scot I wish he could instill his politics in Scottish labour. They are a shambles and I hope if he loses he refuses to fall on his sword " No need for him to fall on his sword | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! At least he's only taking politics back to the 70s, unlike BREXIT which seems to want to take the whole country back to the 70s. The last stop on the brexit train is the 1950s. "Don't know about you ....but I'm sick to death of hearing about it | |||
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"Him - nasty piece of work Done - brainwashed the dim, naive and gullible. Abandoned the working class for a failed ideology and destroyed the Labour party/opposition" So will I pass your regards on to him? | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying.
Yeah, but I was only 6 then. There is a huge section of the population that are young enough to see this as a change from the politics that they see as damaging to their future.
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"1970's would be an improvement on the torys who have dragged us back to the 1770's " Agreed | |||
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" He's stopped millions of trade unionists like me voting Labour. " Tories just stopped the trade unions. | |||
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"1970's would be an improvement on the torys who have dragged us back to the 1770's Agreed " | |||
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"did he rip up your ballot paper then clem? I don't believe the company i work for and the economy would do well under him. And i like to stay employed. " You will...don't worry | |||
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"He might be ok, better than the alternative although he needs to iron his suit & shirt & maybe put on a tie if he's to look the part. He is trying to be prime minister after all "You sure your not dave c | |||
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"did he rip up your ballot paper then clem? I don't believe the company i work for and the economy would do well under him. And i like to stay employed. You will...don't worry "I doubt it. He looks like shit and comes over like a student union serial protestor. Can you imagine him at a G8 meeting? The UK would be an international doormat. | |||
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"He might be ok, better than the alternative although he needs to iron his suit & shirt & maybe put on a tie if he's to look the part. He is trying to be prime minister after all
You sure your not dave c "Certainly not. No tory here. Lol. I just think he'd come across better if he didn't look like a bag tied in the middle half the time. I wish it didn't matter but it kinda does | |||
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"[ poster gone to vote at 08/06/17 17:24:06]" Remember which box to put it in | |||
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"did he rip up your ballot paper then clem? I don't believe the company i work for and the economy would do well under him. And i like to stay employed. You will...don't worry
I doubt it. He looks like shit and comes over like a student union serial protestor. Can you imagine him at a G8 meeting? The UK would be an international doormat."Yeah but he's got some nice suits now | |||
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"He might be ok, better than the alternative although he needs to iron his suit & shirt & maybe put on a tie if he's to look the part. He is trying to be prime minister after all
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Certainly not. No tory here. Lol. I just think he'd come across better if he didn't look like a bag tied in the middle half the time. I wish it didn't matter but it kinda does "Same reply as to clem | |||
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"He might be ok, better than the alternative although he needs to iron his suit & shirt & maybe put on a tie if he's to look the part. He is trying to be prime minister after all
You sure your not dave c
Certainly not. No tory here. Lol. I just think he'd come across better if he didn't look like a bag tied in the middle half the time. I wish it didn't matter but it kinda does
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"did he rip up your ballot paper then clem? I don't believe the company i work for and the economy would do well under him. And i like to stay employed. You will...don't worry
I doubt it. He looks like shit and comes over like a student union serial protestor. Can you imagine him at a G8 meeting? The UK would be an international doormat.
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying.
But Corbyn is doing a lot better then foot eh "Is he? But even if he is he'll have to do a hell of a lot better than Foot to win. Remember both Miliband and Brown did better than foot but still lost. | |||
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"Whilst his campaign has exceeded my expectations of him I'm still not convinced my populist platitudes. He's flipped and turned on Nato, BREXIT, Trident and policing so many times that no one knows where he really stands on any of them. He has also set out to not govern for all the people of the UK but only the "many". No doubt that "many" will only be the "many" that fall for his populist message. If it was a straight choice between him and May I'd vote for May. Luckily it's not so I'm voting for Tim this time. I believe he will be good on NATO...I think on brexit he will get a better deal then may as iv a feeling she will fuck it up....on Trident we all know his views but it will still remain. But in the long term we all have to give it up hopefully
There is no "good deal" to be had on BREXIT. The only good deal is to remain, any other deal is a bad deal.
On the people he is aiming for the 95% which must be better the the current 5%.
You may say and actually believe that the Tories only govern for the 5% but they, and all the other national parties including UKIP, say they want to govern for all. The only party saying it does not want to govern for all the people is the Labour party. How is that not decisive?
And on your voting I would have wished you would have went with JC but Tim is better then Teresa
When you stop splitting posts up....just a simple quote and bottom reply! You may get a answer.....I've seen a couple of yours were you've spit to make misquotations! It has been noted.
I don't think I've misquoted anyone ever but if you think I have please feel free to actually point out where.
On the other hand you could just answer the points raised and not try to avoid and deflect from them. It's your choice.
Thank you for quoting normally
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying.
Yeah, but I was only 6 then. There is a huge section of the population that are young enough to see this as a change from the politics that they see as damaging to their future.
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Give up on him.....I have....that's not corbyn though"The differences is Matt discusses. In fact myself and Matt often find ourselves on the same side in many discussion on here. Although on Corbyn I think Matt has lost his normally rational perspective I do actually respect his more general point of views, mostly because he explains it. You just seem to either deflect or avoid all the time and provide nothing but simplistic platitudes to back up your posts. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying.
Yeah, but I was only 6 then. There is a huge section of the population that are young enough to see this as a change from the politics that they see as damaging to their future.
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Give up on him.....I have....that's not corbyn though
The differences is Matt discusses. In fact myself and Matt often find ourselves on the same side in many discussion on here. Although on Corbyn I think Matt has lost his normally rational perspective I do actually respect his more general point of views, mostly because he explains it. You just seem to either deflect or avoid all the time and provide nothing but simplistic platitudes to back up your posts."lol. Thanks. I think?! I agree with a lot of what you say too and like your reasoning. Certainly well above some on here. I too was very sceptical of Corbyn, but over the last few weeks he has definately shown a side of leadership we've not seen previously. But that is beside the point of what I was saying here. All I was saying was that for all those young people who think 'all politicians are the same', Corbyn offers something very different. I mean I can't remember seeing two such different choices in my voting lifetime. Whether he can fund everything or not remains to be seen. I know a lot of people think he can't. But still the vision he offers in his policies and politics is significantly different to what anyone under 30 will have seen. And it looks like they like it. -Matt | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying.
Yeah, but I was only 6 then. There is a huge section of the population that are young enough to see this as a change from the politics that they see as damaging to their future.
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Give up on him.....I have....that's not corbyn though
The differences is Matt discusses. In fact myself and Matt often find ourselves on the same side in many discussion on here. Although on Corbyn I think Matt has lost his normally rational perspective I do actually respect his more general point of views, mostly because he explains it. You just seem to either deflect or avoid all the time and provide nothing but simplistic platitudes to back up your posts."Know what? As I said I can't get around talking to someone who can't move on from the fact that we are leaving the eu....your whole posts are harping to this! As said it's pointless discussing anything to someone who just has one mindset. Bye | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying.
Yeah, but I was only 6 then. There is a huge section of the population that are young enough to see this as a change from the politics that they see as damaging to their future.
-Matt
Give up on him.....I have....that's not corbyn though
The differences is Matt discusses. In fact myself and Matt often find ourselves on the same side in many discussion on here. Although on Corbyn I think Matt has lost his normally rational perspective I do actually respect his more general point of views, mostly because he explains it. You just seem to either deflect or avoid all the time and provide nothing but simplistic platitudes to back up your posts.
lol. Thanks. I think?!
I agree with a lot of what you say too and like your reasoning. Certainly well above some on here.
I too was very sceptical of Corbyn, but over the last few weeks he has definately shown a side of leadership we've not seen previously.
But that is beside the point of what I was saying here. All I was saying was that for all those young people who think 'all politicians are the same', Corbyn offers something very different. I mean I can't remember seeing two such different choices in my voting lifetime.
Whether he can fund everything or not remains to be seen. I know a lot of people think he can't. But still the vision he offers in his policies and politics is significantly different to what anyone under 30 will have seen. And it looks like they like it.
-Matt"Lol, I'd like someone to give me money for nothing but it aint gonna happen. And under 30? When was the last time you saw anything like the shite he's offering? Unless you've been reading up on and been tempted by the communist party of course? | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying.
Yeah, but I was only 6 then. There is a huge section of the population that are young enough to see this as a change from the politics that they see as damaging to their future.
-Matt
Give up on him.....I have....that's not corbyn though
The differences is Matt discusses. In fact myself and Matt often find ourselves on the same side in many discussion on here. Although on Corbyn I think Matt has lost his normally rational perspective I do actually respect his more general point of views, mostly because he explains it. You just seem to either deflect or avoid all the time and provide nothing but simplistic platitudes to back up your posts.
lol. Thanks. I think?!
I agree with a lot of what you say too and like your reasoning. Certainly well above some on here.
I too was very sceptical of Corbyn, but over the last few weeks he has definately shown a side of leadership we've not seen previously.
But that is beside the point of what I was saying here. All I was saying was that for all those young people who think 'all politicians are the same', Corbyn offers something very different. I mean I can't remember seeing two such different choices in my voting lifetime.
Whether he can fund everything or not remains to be seen. I know a lot of people think he can't. But still the vision he offers in his policies and politics is significantly different to what anyone under 30 will have seen. And it looks like they like it.
-Matt
Lol, I'd like someone to give me money for nothing but it aint gonna happen. And under 30? When was the last time you saw anything like the shite he's offering? Unless you've been reading up on and been tempted by the communist party of course?"Strange that as most of my aquantantces are around 50 and from all walks of life and guess what? They are mostly voting labour | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying.
Yeah, but I was only 6 then. There is a huge section of the population that are young enough to see this as a change from the politics that they see as damaging to their future.
-Matt
Give up on him.....I have....that's not corbyn though
The differences is Matt discusses. In fact myself and Matt often find ourselves on the same side in many discussion on here. Although on Corbyn I think Matt has lost his normally rational perspective I do actually respect his more general point of views, mostly because he explains it. You just seem to either deflect or avoid all the time and provide nothing but simplistic platitudes to back up your posts.
Know what? As I said I can't get around talking to someone who can't move on from the fact that we are leaving the eu....your whole posts are harping to this!
As said it's pointless discussing anything to someone who just has one mindset. Bye"You asked for peoples view on Corbyn. I answered you, including my views on his approach to BREXIT. In answer to your point of:- On the people he is aiming (sic: to govern) for the 95% which must be better the the current 5%. I replied saying:- You may say and actually believe that the Tories only govern for the 5% but they, and all the other national parties including UKIP, say they want to govern for all. The only party saying it does not want to govern for all the people is the Labour party. How is that not decisive? This point has nothing to do with BREXIT but to which you avoided answering by deflecting and saying you wouldn't answer because of the way I'd split your quote. I think even many of those who agree more with you than me on both Corbyn or BREXIT will see your response for what it is; narrow, evasive and dismissive of any who question your outlook on the world. If you don't want other peoples opinions on something don't ask them for it but if you do at least have the decency to answer back honestly. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying.
Yeah, but I was only 6 then. There is a huge section of the population that are young enough to see this as a change from the politics that they see as damaging to their future.
-Matt
Give up on him.....I have....that's not corbyn though
The differences is Matt discusses. In fact myself and Matt often find ourselves on the same side in many discussion on here. Although on Corbyn I think Matt has lost his normally rational perspective I do actually respect his more general point of views, mostly because he explains it. You just seem to either deflect or avoid all the time and provide nothing but simplistic platitudes to back up your posts.
lol. Thanks. I think?!
I agree with a lot of what you say too and like your reasoning. Certainly well above some on here.
I too was very sceptical of Corbyn, but over the last few weeks he has definately shown a side of leadership we've not seen previously.
But that is beside the point of what I was saying here. All I was saying was that for all those young people who think 'all politicians are the same', Corbyn offers something very different. I mean I can't remember seeing two such different choices in my voting lifetime.
Whether he can fund everything or not remains to be seen. I know a lot of people think he can't. But still the vision he offers in his policies and politics is significantly different to what anyone under 30 will have seen. And it looks like they like it.
-Matt
Lol, I'd like someone to give me money for nothing but it aint gonna happen. And under 30? When was the last time you saw anything like the shite he's offering? Unless you've been reading up on and been tempted by the communist party of course?
Strange that as most of my aquantantces are around 50 and from all walks of life and guess what? They are mostly voting labour "Sorry, I don't believe you. So how much have you put on Labour to win? | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying.
Yeah, but I was only 6 then. There is a huge section of the population that are young enough to see this as a change from the politics that they see as damaging to their future.
-Matt
Give up on him.....I have....that's not corbyn though
The differences is Matt discusses. In fact myself and Matt often find ourselves on the same side in many discussion on here. Although on Corbyn I think Matt has lost his normally rational perspective I do actually respect his more general point of views, mostly because he explains it. You just seem to either deflect or avoid all the time and provide nothing but simplistic platitudes to back up your posts.
lol. Thanks. I think?!
I agree with a lot of what you say too and like your reasoning. Certainly well above some on here.
I too was very sceptical of Corbyn, but over the last few weeks he has definately shown a side of leadership we've not seen previously.
But that is beside the point of what I was saying here. All I was saying was that for all those young people who think 'all politicians are the same', Corbyn offers something very different. I mean I can't remember seeing two such different choices in my voting lifetime.
Whether he can fund everything or not remains to be seen. I know a lot of people think he can't. But still the vision he offers in his policies and politics is significantly different to what anyone under 30 will have seen. And it looks like they like it.
-Matt
Lol, I'd like someone to give me money for nothing but it aint gonna happen. And under 30? When was the last time you saw anything like the shite he's offering? Unless you've been reading up on and been tempted by the communist party of course?
Strange that as most of my aquantantces are around 50 and from all walks of life and guess what? They are mostly voting labour "Nearly all the people I know are around 50 and from many walks of life and none, except those who thought Foot was great back in 1982, think Corbyn has the answers. I'll give that some thinks he better than May and a few more think he's no worse but most, because they've seen it all before, think he'll be a disaster for Britain. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying.
Yeah, but I was only 6 then. There is a huge section of the population that are young enough to see this as a change from the politics that they see as damaging to their future.
-Matt
Give up on him.....I have....that's not corbyn though
The differences is Matt discusses. In fact myself and Matt often find ourselves on the same side in many discussion on here. Although on Corbyn I think Matt has lost his normally rational perspective I do actually respect his more general point of views, mostly because he explains it. You just seem to either deflect or avoid all the time and provide nothing but simplistic platitudes to back up your posts.
lol. Thanks. I think?!
I agree with a lot of what you say too and like your reasoning. Certainly well above some on here.
I too was very sceptical of Corbyn, but over the last few weeks he has definately shown a side of leadership we've not seen previously.
But that is beside the point of what I was saying here. All I was saying was that for all those young people who think 'all politicians are the same', Corbyn offers something very different. I mean I can't remember seeing two such different choices in my voting lifetime.
Whether he can fund everything or not remains to be seen. I know a lot of people think he can't. But still the vision he offers in his policies and politics is significantly different to what anyone under 30 will have seen. And it looks like they like it.
-Matt
Lol, I'd like someone to give me money for nothing but it aint gonna happen. And under 30? When was the last time you saw anything like the shite he's offering? Unless you've been reading up on and been tempted by the communist party of course?
Strange that as most of my aquantantces are around 50 and from all walks of life and guess what? They are mostly voting labour
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"To those who say Corbyn is taking us back to the 70s I have two questions. 1. What era do you believe the politics of fox hunting, relaxing the ivory trade, and grammar schools belong to? 2. I assume you are talking about nationalisation when you mention the 70s. Why is it OK for the French, German, Chinese etc state to own and make profit from our major travel and energy industries and infrastructure, but crazy to say that we should own them ourselves and benefit from any profit?" Maybe educate yourself about what happened under Labour in the 70's before you vote. Unless its too late. Oh and remember that Callaghan was far more moderate and a better PM than Corbyn could ever be | |||
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"To those who say Corbyn is taking us back to the 70s I have two questions. 1. What era do you believe the politics of fox hunting, relaxing the ivory trade, and grammar schools belong to? 2. I assume you are talking about nationalisation when you mention the 70s. Why is it OK for the French, German, Chinese etc state to own and make profit from our major travel and energy industries and infrastructure, but crazy to say that we should own them ourselves and benefit from any profit?" 1) Fox hunting, whilst I'm not in favour of it, is an odd that affects very few so I wouldn't decide an election vote on it. The Ivory Trade ban is controversial at best and some argue that it does more harm for elephants than good. Grammar Schools in the past were decisive because the amount spent on children going to Grammar Schools was significantly more than others. That's not going to be the case this time. 2. The real problem with nationalisation is that it effectivity puts the same people who should be policing the industries actually running them. It also inhibits investment when the government has to decide whether to spend money on say electrifying a rail line or building a new hospital. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt I remember people saying the same thing about Michael Foot. Just saying.
Yeah, but I was only 6 then. There is a huge section of the population that are young enough to see this as a change from the politics that they see as damaging to their future.
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Give up on him.....I have....that's not corbyn though
The differences is Matt discusses. In fact myself and Matt often find ourselves on the same side in many discussion on here. Although on Corbyn I think Matt has lost his normally rational perspective I do actually respect his more general point of views, mostly because he explains it. You just seem to either deflect or avoid all the time and provide nothing but simplistic platitudes to back up your posts.
Know what? As I said I can't get around talking to someone who can't move on from the fact that we are leaving the eu....your whole posts are harping to this!
As said it's pointless discussing anything to someone who just has one mindset. Bye
You asked for peoples view on Corbyn. I answered you, including my views on his approach to BREXIT.
In answer to your point of:-
On the people he is aiming (sic: to govern) for the 95% which must be better the the current 5%.
I replied saying:-
You may say and actually believe that the Tories only govern for the 5% but they, and all the other national parties including UKIP, say they want to govern for all. The only party saying it does not want to govern for all the people is the Labour party. How is that not decisive?
This point has nothing to do with BREXIT but to which you avoided answering by deflecting and saying you wouldn't answer because of the way I'd split your quote.
I think even many of those who agree more with you than me on both Corbyn or BREXIT will see your response for what it is; narrow, evasive and dismissive of any who question your outlook on the world. If you don't want other peoples opinions on something don't ask them for it but if you do at least have the decency to answer back honestly."I'll tell you where I am with you. I asked the question on Corbyn which is true. I asked for your view which I replied to in a lighthearted manner. But it then became obvious on your gripe ie "voting for tim" which you got a lighthearted reply on. But it has become evident in you reply to every poster on this thread with different views to you that you just will not let go on brexit...and I find it hard to have a discussion with anyone who has become so stuck on one thing that must have really hurt you. On the 95%,well that's my reply to a question you throw and I wouldn't say for one minute it's labour policy to cut 5% out....as said my view on how it is currently divided. I hope that has answered your question a we move on ok? | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! You weren't there at the time I was. .and do you know what...it was not a bad time! I enjoyed the seventies but you haven't a clue have you eh "The music was certainly better......but 3 day week? 27% inflation. Bin and undertaker strikes....rubbish piled 3 stories high on rat infested streets......aye......bring back the good old 70s! You go girl! | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt" Indeed he has. It's called communism | |||
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"did he rip up your ballot paper then clem? I don't believe the company i work for and the economy would do well under him. And i like to stay employed. " so he didn't stop you then, you just chose not to ... ok | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt Indeed he has. It's called communism " No; it really isn't. His kind of politician wouldn't be popular with communists, and he's far too moderate for the swappies. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt Indeed he has. It's called communism No; it really isn't. His kind of politician wouldn't be popular with communists, and he's far too moderate for the swappies. " The British Communist party are not fielding any candidates in this election for the first time since 1920 and are throwing their weight behind Corbyn. When wil people wake up?  | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt Indeed he has. It's called communism No; it really isn't. His kind of politician wouldn't be popular with communists, and he's far too moderate for the swappies. The British Communist party are not fielding any candidates in this election for the first time since 1920 and are throwing their weight behind Corbyn. When wil people wake up? "So what? The CPUK haven't been a political force for ages. It would possibly be mildly more significant if the SWP decided to do the same. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt Indeed he has. It's called communism No; it really isn't. His kind of politician wouldn't be popular with communists, and he's far too moderate for the swappies. The British Communist party are not fielding any candidates in this election for the first time since 1920 and are throwing their weight behind Corbyn. When wil people wake up?
So what? The CPUK haven't been a political force for ages. It would possibly be mildly more significant if the SWP decided to do the same. "Thats not the point. I thought you said he wouldn't be popular with communists. Why would they support him? | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt Indeed he has. It's called communism No; it really isn't. His kind of politician wouldn't be popular with communists, and he's far too moderate for the swappies. The British Communist party are not fielding any candidates in this election for the first time since 1920 and are throwing their weight behind Corbyn. When wil people wake up?
So what? The CPUK haven't been a political force for ages. It would possibly be mildly more significant if the SWP decided to do the same.
Thats not the point. I thought you said he wouldn't be popular with communists. Why would they support him? "Because they, like a lot of people think that this election is too important for squabbling. They are not soft-left democratic socialists like Corbyn, but they feel that they have more in common with him than the Tories. People further to the right of JC, but still not Tories are thinking the same thing. And since the Communist party ammount to about 15 old tankies and a couple of whippets, its really not that significant. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt Indeed he has. It's called communism No; it really isn't. His kind of politician wouldn't be popular with communists, and he's far too moderate for the swappies. The British Communist party are not fielding any candidates in this election for the first time since 1920 and are throwing their weight behind Corbyn. When wil people wake up?
So what? The CPUK haven't been a political force for ages. It would possibly be mildly more significant if the SWP decided to do the same.
Thats not the point. I thought you said he wouldn't be popular with communists. Why would they support him?
Because they, like a lot of people think that this election is too important for squabbling. They are not soft-left democratic socialists like Corbyn, but they feel that they have more in common with him than the Tories. People further to the right of JC, but still not Tories are thinking the same thing.
And since the Communist party ammount to about 15 old tankies and a couple of whippets, its really not that significant. "Thing ir, Corbyn is too far left for the SWP | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt Indeed he has. It's called communism No; it really isn't. His kind of politician wouldn't be popular with communists, and he's far too moderate for the swappies. The British Communist party are not fielding any candidates in this election for the first time since 1920 and are throwing their weight behind Corbyn. When wil people wake up?
So what? The CPUK haven't been a political force for ages. It would possibly be mildly more significant if the SWP decided to do the same.
Thats not the point. I thought you said he wouldn't be popular with communists. Why would they support him?
Because they, like a lot of people think that this election is too important for squabbling. They are not soft-left democratic socialists like Corbyn, but they feel that they have more in common with him than the Tories. People further to the right of JC, but still not Tories are thinking the same thing.
And since the Communist party ammount to about 15 old tankies and a couple of whippets, its really not that significant.
Thing ir, Corbyn is too far left for the SWP"
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"the way that corbyn has run his campaign is very reminisent of the way that bernie sanders ran his when he was running for president... which is why i can see young voters have been enfused....... " Yep, I see your analogy and agree with it. | |||
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"To those who say Corbyn is taking us back to the 70s I have two questions. 1. What era do you believe the politics of fox hunting, relaxing the ivory trade, and grammar schools belong to? 2. I assume you are talking about nationalisation when you mention the 70s. Why is it OK for the French, German, Chinese etc state to own and make profit from our major travel and energy industries and infrastructure, but crazy to say that we should own them ourselves and benefit from any profit? Maybe educate yourself about what happened under Labour in the 70's before you vote. Unless its too late. Oh and remember that Callaghan was far more moderate and a better PM than Corbyn could ever be "What happened you seem to have gone quite | |||
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So what? The CPUK haven't been a political force for ages. It would possibly be mildly more significant if the SWP decided to do the same.
Thats not the point. I thought you said he wouldn't be popular with communists. Why would they support him? ". So if racists support ukip does that make ukip racist? | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt Indeed he has. It's called communism No; it really isn't. His kind of politician wouldn't be popular with communists, and he's far too moderate for the swappies. The British Communist party are not fielding any candidates in this election for the first time since 1920 and are throwing their weight behind Corbyn. When wil people wake up?
So what? The CPUK haven't been a political force for ages. It would possibly be mildly more significant if the SWP decided to do the same.
Thats not the point. I thought you said he wouldn't be popular with communists. Why would they support him? .
So if racists support ukip does that make ukip racist? "The irony of CandM telling me what the far left think..... | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt Indeed he has. It's called communism No; it really isn't. His kind of politician wouldn't be popular with communists, and he's far too moderate for the swappies. The British Communist party are not fielding any candidates in this election for the first time since 1920 and are throwing their weight behind Corbyn. When wil people wake up?
So what? The CPUK haven't been a political force for ages. It would possibly be mildly more significant if the SWP decided to do the same.
Thats not the point. I thought you said he wouldn't be popular with communists. Why would they support him? .
So if racists support ukip does that make ukip racist? "Well most BREXITers seem to think that's what we're saying when we point that fact out. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt Indeed he has. It's called communism No; it really isn't. His kind of politician wouldn't be popular with communists, and he's far too moderate for the swappies. The British Communist party are not fielding any candidates in this election for the first time since 1920 and are throwing their weight behind Corbyn. When wil people wake up?
So what? The CPUK haven't been a political force for ages. It would possibly be mildly more significant if the SWP decided to do the same.
Thats not the point. I thought you said he wouldn't be popular with communists. Why would they support him? .
So if racists support ukip does that make ukip racist? "A big chunk of the ukip vote went to Labour last night. Does that now make Labour racist if they have all these former ukippers now voting for them. | |||
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"If you love him or hate him (tory voters) I think all would agree he has run by far the best campaign in the election and has really changed the face of British politics for the future. But please tell me your views on him and what he has done? 'Changed the face of British politics for the future'???? Are you having a laugh? Corbyn has taken British politics back to the 1970's! He has offered a genuinely different approach to the current status quo. There are so many young people out there disenfranchised by politics because "it doesn't matter, they are all the same". Well, Corbyn has offered something genuinely different for them. And judging by the enormous crowds of people that have come out to see him when he has been campaigning and the undeniable massive surge in support in the past few weeks, it is pretty clear that he is offering an alternative that many people would like to see. -Matt Indeed he has. It's called communism No; it really isn't. His kind of politician wouldn't be popular with communists, and he's far too moderate for the swappies. The British Communist party are not fielding any candidates in this election for the first time since 1920 and are throwing their weight behind Corbyn. When wil people wake up?
So what? The CPUK haven't been a political force for ages. It would possibly be mildly more significant if the SWP decided to do the same.
Thats not the point. I thought you said he wouldn't be popular with communists. Why would they support him? .
So if racists support ukip does that make ukip racist?
A big chunk of the ukip vote went to Labour last night. Does that now make Labour racist if they have all these former ukippers now voting for them. ". No, having a racist policy makes a party a racist or having a communist policy makes a party Communist.. That's the point I was making!. Do you know if Jeremy Corbyn has produced any communist policies? | |||
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"Whilst his campaign has exceeded my expectations of him I'm still not convinced my populist platitudes. He's flipped and turned on Nato, BREXIT, Trident and policing so many times that no one knows where he really stands on any of them. He has also set out to not govern for all the people of the UK but only the "many". No doubt that "many" will only be the "many" that fall for his populist message. If it was a straight choice between him and May I'd vote for May. Luckily it's not so I'm voting for Tim this time. I believe he will be good on NATO...I think on brexit he will get a better deal then may as iv a feeling she will fuck it up....on Trident we all know his views but it will still remain. But in the long term we all have to give it up hopefully
There is no "good deal" to be had on BREXIT. The only good deal is to remain, any other deal is a bad deal.
On the people he is aiming for the 95% which must be better the the current 5%.
You may say and actually believe that the Tories only govern for the 5% but they, and all the other national parties including UKIP, say they want to govern for all. The only party saying it does not want to govern for all the people is the Labour party. How is that not decisive?
And on your voting I would have wished you would have went with JC but Tim is better then Teresa
When you stop splitting posts up....just a simple quote and bottom reply! You may get a answer.....I've seen a couple of yours were you've spit to make misquotations! It has been noted.
I don't think I've misquoted anyone ever but if you think I have please feel free to actually point out where.
On the other hand you could just answer the points raised and not try to avoid and deflect from them. It's your choice.
Thank you for quoting normally
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" So really when you started this thread you just wanted a bunch of people to praise him like a proper echo chamber "the issue is whether you like to admit it... or don't.... you have to admit that him and labour did run a good campaign.... just like you can admit that the campaign the tories ran was shocking bad.... the right wing media tried to do a proper hatchet job on him.... but the power of social media for me defeated that.... when he was on the main stage he made himself look a lot more competant than may did.... save for one or two bloopers (the womans hour interview) he did a good job | |||
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the issue is whether you like to admit it... or don't....
you have to admit that him and labour did run a good campaign....
"Positive points: - it was skillful to move the debate off brexit and onto public services Negatives: - his economic plan was on par with the £350m the NHS will never see from brexit - he doesn't know the words yes or no. - he got 3 seats more than Gordon Brown. Even the seats of 5 left wing parties couldn't form a coalition, the result is pathetic. " just like you can admit that the campaign the tories ran was shocking bad.... " Very true, manifesto was embarassing and learn to turn up to debates. But this only serves to detract from Corbyns achievements, he bought his A game and couldn't beat the conservative B team. " the right wing media tried to do a proper hatchet job on him.... but the power of social media for me defeated that.... " No this is just silliness. If he would learn to answer a question directly then 90% of his media problems would end. Would you push the button or not corbyn? Do you condemn the IRA or not? Did you vote remain? These are yes or no questions. Answer first, explain second. " when he was on the main stage he made himself look a lot more competant than may did.... save for one or two bloopers (the womans hour interview) he did a good job " It's pretty easy to talk about spending other peoples money and get a clap. Much harder to urge financial restraint. He did improve once he put on a suit but fundamentally he was socrates sweet shop owner 'debating' the doctor. | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. " Canterbury Kensington (probably) Mitchem Battersea Vauxhall Hammersmith Westminster (north) Holborn Hampstead Finchley Then there's the orange parts Twickenham Kingston Carshalton Hove Brighton Kemp town Eastbourne Splash of green at Pavilion Yep, your observation genuinely stacks up doesn't it...did you have that Bertrand Russell in the back of your cab? | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. " Gosh, almost like the country is uneven in terms of education, infrastructure investment, and job creation isn't it? Or are the people in the red parts just lazy? | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. Canterbury Kensington (probably) Mitchem Battersea Vauxhall Hammersmith Westminster (north) Holborn Hampstead Finchley Then there's the orange parts Twickenham Kingston Carshalton Hove Brighton Kemp town Eastbourne Splash of green at Pavilion Yep, your observation genuinely stacks up doesn't it...did you have that Bertrand Russell in the back of your cab?" Yeah labours vote is completely evenly distributed isn't it | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. Gosh, almost like the country is uneven in terms of education, infrastructure investment, and job creation isn't it? Or are the people in the red parts just lazy? " I dont actually resent paying the current level of tax here for the reasons you mentioned. But i just wish they'd be a bit more grateful for it, rather than trying to make taking more of our money seem like a noble cause. | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. Canterbury Kensington (probably) Mitchem Battersea Vauxhall Hammersmith Westminster (north) Holborn Hampstead Finchley Then there's the orange parts Twickenham Kingston Carshalton Hove Brighton Kemp town Eastbourne Splash of green at Pavilion Yep, your observation genuinely stacks up doesn't it...did you have that Bertrand Russell in the back of your cab?" add ipswich to that.... add reading to that.... add peterborough to that... add bedford to that... add oxford to that.. they got within 800 of justine greening in putney... they got within 300 of amber rudd in hastings... | |||
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"this is where we are going to disagree you can look at the rise of bernie sanders in the US for example.... and Jean Luc Melachon in france.... where you can be of the left and populist and run a positive campaign which is absolutely what Corbyn and his team did... you may not agree that it was a hactchet job the right wing media tried to play.... 13 pages in the daily mail, 7 in the daily express, 5 in the sun all on election day saying why people shouldn't vote for him...... the fact that it labours campaign was more social media targeted (especially at younger voters) shows they did learn.... i am so impress they seem to have managed to turn on people enough to get out there and actually vote! for example... no way does canterbury go red without a huge turnout from the university of kent..... no way does sheffield hallam go red without both sheffield uni students....... " But no daily mail readers were ever going to vote labour anyway. Newspapers are just echo chambers people use as intellectual masturbation. Fundamentally, i don't believe all votes should be equal. So whilst it is good the youth engagement increased, they are not sufficiently mature to have an opinion as informed as the average person who is actually paying the taxes that would have funded their university fees or actually has a house that could crash in value. | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. Canterbury Kensington (probably) Mitchem Battersea Vauxhall Hammersmith Westminster (north) Holborn Hampstead Finchley Then there's the orange parts Twickenham Kingston Carshalton Hove Brighton Kemp town Eastbourne Splash of green at Pavilion Yep, your observation genuinely stacks up doesn't it...did you have that Bertrand Russell in the back of your cab? add ipswich to that.... add reading to that.... add peterborough to that... add bedford to that... add oxford to that.. they got within 800 of justine greening in putney... they got within 300 of amber rudd in hastings... " So you deny there's a labour northern bias? | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. Canterbury Kensington (probably) Mitchem Battersea Vauxhall Hammersmith Westminster (north) Holborn Hampstead Finchley Then there's the orange parts Twickenham Kingston Carshalton Hove Brighton Kemp town Eastbourne Splash of green at Pavilion Yep, your observation genuinely stacks up doesn't it...did you have that Bertrand Russell in the back of your cab? Yeah labours vote is completely evenly distributed isn't it "Hope you told him "Look, Bertie, Bertie, Bertie, ....get out - GET OUT THE CAB!!" | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. Canterbury Kensington (probably) Mitchem Battersea Vauxhall Hammersmith Westminster (north) Holborn Hampstead Finchley Then there's the orange parts Twickenham Kingston Carshalton Hove Brighton Kemp town Eastbourne Splash of green at Pavilion Yep, your observation genuinely stacks up doesn't it...did you have that Bertrand Russell in the back of your cab? Yeah labours vote is completely evenly distributed isn't it
Hope you told him "Look, Bertie, Bertie, Bertie, ....get out - GET OUT THE CAB!!"
I hope you're colour blind rather than just dishonest
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. Canterbury Kensington (probably) Mitchem Battersea Vauxhall Hammersmith Westminster (north) Holborn Hampstead Finchley Then there's the orange parts Twickenham Kingston Carshalton Hove Brighton Kemp town Eastbourne Splash of green at Pavilion Yep, your observation genuinely stacks up doesn't it...did you have that Bertrand Russell in the back of your cab? Yeah labours vote is completely evenly distributed isn't it
Hope you told him "Look, Bertie, Bertie, Bertie, ....get out - GET OUT THE CAB!!"
I hope you're colour blind rather than just dishonest
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"this is where we are going to disagree you can look at the rise of bernie sanders in the US for example.... and Jean Luc Melachon in france.... where you can be of the left and populist and run a positive campaign which is absolutely what Corbyn and his team did... you may not agree that it was a hactchet job the right wing media tried to play.... 13 pages in the daily mail, 7 in the daily express, 5 in the sun all on election day saying why people shouldn't vote for him...... the fact that it labours campaign was more social media targeted (especially at younger voters) shows they did learn.... i am so impress they seem to have managed to turn on people enough to get out there and actually vote! for example... no way does canterbury go red without a huge turnout from the university of kent..... no way does sheffield hallam go red without both sheffield uni students....... But no daily mail readers were ever going to vote labour anyway. Newspapers are just echo chambers people use as intellectual masturbation. Fundamentally, i don't believe all votes should be equal. So whilst it is good the youth engagement increased, they are not sufficiently mature to have an opinion as informed as the average person who is actually paying the taxes that would have funded their university fees or actually has a house that could crash in value. " they are mature enough to be sent to fight and die in far off lands for their country.. there were 'mature' people on camera last year nearly in tears post the referendum saying things like 'i got my England back'..? there are mature people who have never contributed a penny in tax through a life on the dole, yet have the right to vote.. | |||
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"this is where we are going to disagree you can look at the rise of bernie sanders in the US for example.... and Jean Luc Melachon in france.... where you can be of the left and populist and run a positive campaign which is absolutely what Corbyn and his team did... you may not agree that it was a hactchet job the right wing media tried to play.... 13 pages in the daily mail, 7 in the daily express, 5 in the sun all on election day saying why people shouldn't vote for him...... the fact that it labours campaign was more social media targeted (especially at younger voters) shows they did learn.... i am so impress they seem to have managed to turn on people enough to get out there and actually vote! for example... no way does canterbury go red without a huge turnout from the university of kent..... no way does sheffield hallam go red without both sheffield uni students....... But no daily mail readers were ever going to vote labour anyway. Newspapers are just echo chambers people use as intellectual masturbation. Fundamentally, i don't believe all votes should be equal. So whilst it is good the youth engagement increased, they are not sufficiently mature to have an opinion as informed as the average person who is actually paying the taxes that would have funded their university fees or actually has a house that could crash in value. they are mature enough to be sent to fight and die in far off lands for their country.. there were 'mature' people on camera last year nearly in tears post the referendum saying things like 'i got my England back'..? there are mature people who have never contributed a penny in tax through a life on the dole, yet have the right to vote.. " So warfare skills are now similar to voting skills? Save the populist non-sequitur bs | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. I'm sure I read somewhere that Bristol is one of the only/few cities that sends tax to London. No idea if quite true as I can't find the source to check. The central districts of Bristol are all labour. -Matt So another denier of the labour nothern vote. It's really sad that labour supporters can't actually talk facts, just anecdotes that dodge the central point. " Would you like London and the south east to be some kind of special economic zone.What shall we do with those pesky northerners.? | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. Gosh, almost like the country is uneven in terms of education, infrastructure investment, and job creation isn't it? Or are the people in the red parts just lazy? I dont actually resent paying the current level of tax here for the reasons you mentioned. But i just wish they'd be a bit more grateful for it, rather than trying to make taking more of our money seem like a noble cause. " You talk out of your arsehole get in the real world moron | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. Gosh, almost like the country is uneven in terms of education, infrastructure investment, and job creation isn't it? Or are the people in the red parts just lazy? I dont actually resent paying the current level of tax here for the reasons you mentioned. But i just wish they'd be a bit more grateful for it, rather than trying to make taking more of our money seem like a noble cause. You talk out of your arsehole get in the real world moron" Predictable response from someone too stupid to evidence an opinion. Not my fault you lost money last night dumb ass. | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. I'm sure I read somewhere that Bristol is one of the only/few cities that sends tax to London. No idea if quite true as I can't find the source to check. The central districts of Bristol are all labour. -Matt So another denier of the labour nothern vote. It's really sad that labour supporters can't actually talk facts, just anecdotes that dodge the central point. " Deny what?! I haven't mentioned anything about the labour northern vote. The only thing I mentioned was Bristol as from what I read somewhere it sounded to be an outlier to your data. -Matt | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. I'm sure I read somewhere that Bristol is one of the only/few cities that sends tax to London. No idea if quite true as I can't find the source to check. The central districts of Bristol are all labour. -Matt So another denier of the labour nothern vote. It's really sad that labour supporters can't actually talk facts, just anecdotes that dodge the central point. Deny what?! I haven't mentioned anything about the labour northern vote. The only thing I mentioned was Bristol as from what I read somewhere it sounded to be an outlier to your data. -Matt" Averages include outliers, yes | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. Gosh, almost like the country is uneven in terms of education, infrastructure investment, and job creation isn't it? Or are the people in the red parts just lazy? I dont actually resent paying the current level of tax here for the reasons you mentioned. But i just wish they'd be a bit more grateful for it, rather than trying to make taking more of our money seem like a noble cause. You talk out of your arsehole get in the real world moron Predictable response from someone too stupid to evidence an opinion. Not my fault you lost money last night dumb ass. " I never list any money what you talking about | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. I'm sure I read somewhere that Bristol is one of the only/few cities that sends tax to London. No idea if quite true as I can't find the source to check. The central districts of Bristol are all labour. -Matt So another denier of the labour nothern vote. It's really sad that labour supporters can't actually talk facts, just anecdotes that dodge the central point. Deny what?! I haven't mentioned anything about the labour northern vote. The only thing I mentioned was Bristol as from what I read somewhere it sounded to be an outlier to your data. -Matt Averages include outliers, yes" You've still lost me. I don't know why you are saying I don't believe in the 'labour northern vote'. I don't actually know what you mean by it to be honest, so certainly haven't given any opinion on it either way. Yet for some reason you are say I'm a denier of it. -Matt | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. I'm sure I read somewhere that Bristol is one of the only/few cities that sends tax to London. No idea if quite true as I can't find the source to check. The central districts of Bristol are all labour. -Matt So another denier of the labour nothern vote. It's really sad that labour supporters can't actually talk facts, just anecdotes that dodge the central point. Deny what?! I haven't mentioned anything about the labour northern vote. The only thing I mentioned was Bristol as from what I read somewhere it sounded to be an outlier to your data. -Matt Averages include outliers, yes You've still lost me. I don't know why you are saying I don't believe in the 'labour northern vote'. I don't actually know what you mean by it to be honest, so certainly haven't given any opinion on it either way. Yet for some reason you are say I'm a denier of it. -Matt" True or false, the north of england cast more votes for labour than the south of england? | |||
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"this is where we are going to disagree you can look at the rise of bernie sanders in the US for example.... and Jean Luc Melachon in france.... where you can be of the left and populist and run a positive campaign which is absolutely what Corbyn and his team did... you may not agree that it was a hactchet job the right wing media tried to play.... 13 pages in the daily mail, 7 in the daily express, 5 in the sun all on election day saying why people shouldn't vote for him...... the fact that it labours campaign was more social media targeted (especially at younger voters) shows they did learn.... i am so impress they seem to have managed to turn on people enough to get out there and actually vote! for example... no way does canterbury go red without a huge turnout from the university of kent..... no way does sheffield hallam go red without both sheffield uni students....... But no daily mail readers were ever going to vote labour anyway. Newspapers are just echo chambers people use as intellectual masturbation. Fundamentally, i don't believe all votes should be equal. So whilst it is good the youth engagement increased, they are not sufficiently mature to have an opinion as informed as the average person who is actually paying the taxes that would have funded their university fees or actually has a house that could crash in value. they are mature enough to be sent to fight and die in far off lands for their country.. there were 'mature' people on camera last year nearly in tears post the referendum saying things like 'i got my England back'..? there are mature people who have never contributed a penny in tax through a life on the dole, yet have the right to vote.. So warfare skills are now similar to voting skills? Save the populist non-sequitur bs "ironic that your response is to try and shout down rather than look at what was actually said, its not a very mature response especially given your not that much older than those you deem not mature enough to vote.. without getting into the minutia of different roles of young people, a person who you deem not mature (you were vague so maybe clarify who you mean) who will be commanding and leading other not mature people in places like Afghanistan and Iraq of late will be making decisions on a daily basis a bit more complicated than putting a cross in a box.. you may think it populist bit its fact and to dismiss it as you did only serves to show you have not thought about your point.. now we can be immature and start cunting each other off or we can debate.. | |||
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"this is where we are going to disagree you can look at the rise of bernie sanders in the US for example.... and Jean Luc Melachon in france.... where you can be of the left and populist and run a positive campaign which is absolutely what Corbyn and his team did... you may not agree that it was a hactchet job the right wing media tried to play.... 13 pages in the daily mail, 7 in the daily express, 5 in the sun all on election day saying why people shouldn't vote for him...... the fact that it labours campaign was more social media targeted (especially at younger voters) shows they did learn.... i am so impress they seem to have managed to turn on people enough to get out there and actually vote! for example... no way does canterbury go red without a huge turnout from the university of kent..... no way does sheffield hallam go red without both sheffield uni students....... But no daily mail readers were ever going to vote labour anyway. Newspapers are just echo chambers people use as intellectual masturbation. Fundamentally, i don't believe all votes should be equal. So whilst it is good the youth engagement increased, they are not sufficiently mature to have an opinion as informed as the average person who is actually paying the taxes that would have funded their university fees or actually has a house that could crash in value. they are mature enough to be sent to fight and die in far off lands for their country.. there were 'mature' people on camera last year nearly in tears post the referendum saying things like 'i got my England back'..? there are mature people who have never contributed a penny in tax through a life on the dole, yet have the right to vote.. So warfare skills are now similar to voting skills? Save the populist non-sequitur bs
ironic that your response is to try and shout down rather than look at what was actually said, its not a very mature response especially given your not that much older than those you deem not mature enough to vote..
without getting into the minutia of different roles of young people, a person who you deem not mature (you were vague so maybe clarify who you mean) who will be commanding and leading other not mature people in places like Afghanistan and Iraq of late will be making decisions on a daily basis a bit more complicated than putting a cross in a box..
you may think it populist bit its fact and to dismiss it as you did only serves to show you have not thought about your point..
now we can be immature and start cunting each other off or we can debate..
"Ok lets start again, - Nobody knows the future for certain - Politicians tell us what they intend to do in the future but frequently fail to deliver (all parties) - They use logical sounding arguements to try and assure us - A lot of these plausible sounding arguements just don't work in the real world - Young people are usually hearing these arguements for the first time whilst experienced people remember politicians promising the same shit 20 years ago and not delivering - None of the above effects the ability of a young person to go to war and carry out their duties effectively - Therefore it makes no sense to claim that the ability to be a solider means their political opinions are fine tuned. | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. I'm sure I read somewhere that Bristol is one of the only/few cities that sends tax to London. No idea if quite true as I can't find the source to check. The central districts of Bristol are all labour. -Matt So another denier of the labour nothern vote. It's really sad that labour supporters can't actually talk facts, just anecdotes that dodge the central point. Would you like London and the south east to be some kind of special economic zone.What shall we do with those pesky northerners.? Thank you would be nice You still haven't answered my response to your question what are you talking about when you say I lost money last night " I don't care to talk to people that never contribute anything to the forums except insults | |||
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"Or maybe you've forgotten the 200 fucking years that the North of England supported the farm that was Kent or Berkshire or Essex" All i remember is you getting fucked and robbed by vikings while we saxons defended the mighty kingdom of wessex successfully | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. I'm sure I read somewhere that Bristol is one of the only/few cities that sends tax to London. No idea if quite true as I can't find the source to check. The central districts of Bristol are all labour. -Matt So another denier of the labour nothern vote. It's really sad that labour supporters can't actually talk facts, just anecdotes that dodge the central point. Deny what?! I haven't mentioned anything about the labour northern vote. The only thing I mentioned was Bristol as from what I read somewhere it sounded to be an outlier to your data. -Matt Averages include outliers, yes You've still lost me. I don't know why you are saying I don't believe in the 'labour northern vote'. I don't actually know what you mean by it to be honest, so certainly haven't given any opinion on it either way. Yet for some reason you are say I'm a denier of it. -Matt True or false, the north of england cast more votes for labour than the south of england? " No idea. I'd guess less. Why? -Matt | |||
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"Or maybe you've forgotten the 200 fucking years that the North of England supported the farm that was Kent or Berkshire or Essex All i remember is you getting fucked and robbed by vikings while we saxons defended the mighty kingdom of wessex successfully" So what your saying is then you have cocked up got me muddled up with someone else or your just making statements that are untrue or under pressure as the majority of people on here seem to be disagreeing with everything you right | |||
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"Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Coventry, Birmingham, Newcastle, Middleborough, Glasgow, Belfast.... Etc etc, all Northern I'll give you a clue, they created all the wealth for 200 years.. Now I'll grant you the last 25-30 years has seen a reversal.. However I think when it comes to who owes who in the long run "Only looking for a thank you here and a bit less of the politics of envy | |||
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Only looking for a thank you here and a bit less of the politics of envy ". Hey I don't even vote remember, I'm just keeping it honest!. If you look on the political map you'll also notice its almost all blue everywhere, that's coz the workers live in the city and out in the country lives the wealth and the land owners. Nowt much has changed since the 1920s | |||
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"this is where we are going to disagree you can look at the rise of bernie sanders in the US for example.... and Jean Luc Melachon in france.... where you can be of the left and populist and run a positive campaign which is absolutely what Corbyn and his team did... you may not agree that it was a hactchet job the right wing media tried to play.... 13 pages in the daily mail, 7 in the daily express, 5 in the sun all on election day saying why people shouldn't vote for him...... the fact that it labours campaign was more social media targeted (especially at younger voters) shows they did learn.... i am so impress they seem to have managed to turn on people enough to get out there and actually vote! for example... no way does canterbury go red without a huge turnout from the university of kent..... no way does sheffield hallam go red without both sheffield uni students....... But no daily mail readers were ever going to vote labour anyway. Newspapers are just echo chambers people use as intellectual masturbation. Fundamentally, i don't believe all votes should be equal. So whilst it is good the youth engagement increased, they are not sufficiently mature to have an opinion as informed as the average person who is actually paying the taxes that would have funded their university fees or actually has a house that could crash in value. they are mature enough to be sent to fight and die in far off lands for their country.. there were 'mature' people on camera last year nearly in tears post the referendum saying things like 'i got my England back'..? there are mature people who have never contributed a penny in tax through a life on the dole, yet have the right to vote.. So warfare skills are now similar to voting skills? Save the populist non-sequitur bs
ironic that your response is to try and shout down rather than look at what was actually said, its not a very mature response especially given your not that much older than those you deem not mature enough to vote..
without getting into the minutia of different roles of young people, a person who you deem not mature (you were vague so maybe clarify who you mean) who will be commanding and leading other not mature people in places like Afghanistan and Iraq of late will be making decisions on a daily basis a bit more complicated than putting a cross in a box..
you may think it populist bit its fact and to dismiss it as you did only serves to show you have not thought about your point..
now we can be immature and start cunting each other off or we can debate..
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- Nobody knows the future for certain
- Politicians tell us what they intend to do in the future but frequently fail to deliver (all parties)
- They use logical sounding arguements to try and assure us
- A lot of these plausible sounding arguements just don't work in the real world
- Young people are usually hearing these arguements for the first time whilst experienced people remember politicians promising the same shit 20 years ago and not delivering
- None of the above effects the ability of a young person to go to war and carry out their duties effectively
- Therefore it makes no sense to claim that the ability to be a solider means their political opinions are fine tuned. "i agree on the point about how the system is, has been and probably wont change unless the electorate collectively across all parties do something like mark their paper's with 'stop breaking your promises'.. but it wont happen.. i would rather that the young can look at what they see and listen to what is being said by whom, if they need to do some research and make their choice based upon what they think is right than make them wait till they become a bit jaded and cynical like us older types.. that will come in time for them.. that they have engaged now and not in 2015 and 2016 is something that has frustrated me personally, when we have a generation disenfranchised from politics its not good.. | |||
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the issue is whether you like to admit it... or don't....
you have to admit that him and labour did run a good campaign....
just like you can admit that the campaign the tories ran was shocking bad....
the right wing media tried to do a proper hatchet job on him.... but the power of social media for me defeated that....
when he was on the main stage he made himself look a lot more competant than may did.... save for one or two bloopers (the womans hour interview) he did a good job "Jeremy did run an excellent campaign and May's was disastrous. In fact the more I saw of May the more of a disaster I thought she was. That being said, I still don't agree with Jeremy or his policies. I still believe he's lied to the people by telling the "many" they can have everything they want and, because the "few" will pay for it all, it won't cost them a penny more. It's still populist bullshit. | |||
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" So really when you started this thread you just wanted a bunch of people to praise him like a proper echo chamber
the issue is whether you like to admit it... or don't....
you have to admit that him and labour did run a good campaign....
just like you can admit that the campaign the tories ran was shocking bad....
the right wing media tried to do a proper hatchet job on him.... but the power of social media for me defeated that....
when he was on the main stage he made himself look a lot more competant than may did.... save for one or two bloopers (the womans hour interview) he did a good job
Jeremy did run an excellent campaign and May's was disastrous. In fact the more I saw of May the more of a disaster I thought she was.
That being said, I still don't agree with Jeremy or his policies. I still believe he's lied to the people by telling the "many" they can have everything they want and, because the "few" will pay for it all, it won't cost them a penny more. It's still populist bullshit. "Do you think none of the other party's lie then Do you remember the crap conservatives came out with before the referendum | |||
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Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then."More of an updated Robin Hood really, robbing the middle classes to fund the poor because the rich hide their wealth too well | |||
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. I'm sure I read somewhere that Bristol is one of the only/few cities that sends tax to London. No idea if quite true as I can't find the source to check. The central districts of Bristol are all labour. -Matt So another denier of the labour nothern vote. It's really sad that labour supporters can't actually talk facts, just anecdotes that dodge the central point. Deny what?! I haven't mentioned anything about the labour northern vote. The only thing I mentioned was Bristol as from what I read somewhere it sounded to be an outlier to your data. -Matt Averages include outliers, yes You've still lost me. I don't know why you are saying I don't believe in the 'labour northern vote'. I don't actually know what you mean by it to be honest, so certainly haven't given any opinion on it either way. Yet for some reason you are say I'm a denier of it. -Matt True or false, the north of england cast more votes for labour than the south of england? No idea. I'd guess less. Why? -Matt So you think the northern vote is the reason the conservatives are the largest party!? Have you seen the election map today? No, I don't think that. What is with you this evening and the non sequiturs? Why are you so keen to put words into my mouth? I've just had another look at an election map, and you are right. There might be slightly more labour voting districts in the north by the looks of it, but not much in it. -Matt Slightly? Remember those northern ones are dense cities rather than your somersets and cornwall. " Yes, slightly. I'm looking at a map that has been drawn with the districts by population and adding up wales, london and the midlands it looks like it comes almost to the size of the northern labour areas. I don't know the exact numbers though. As I said originally, I have no idea and was guessing. -Matt | |||
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"I like corbyn, he is like a modern day rocky balboa, a people champion
Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
More of an updated Robin Hood really, robbing the middle classes to fund the poor because the rich hide their wealth too well". Yeah  .
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"Here are some facts, i know lefties hate facts but anyway... Only the south east, london, east of england, south west and east midlands pay more in tax than services they take out. For example, the average person in the south east pays £1,265 a year more in tax than services they use. If you're not sure where these places are, look for the blue part of the voting map. In contrast, all other areas take more services than they pay in tax. The average person in the north east takes £3,175 more in services than they pay in tax. That's the red part of the map. Corbyn appeals to people who like to spend other peoples money. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money. I'm sure I read somewhere that Bristol is one of the only/few cities that sends tax to London. No idea if quite true as I can't find the source to check. The central districts of Bristol are all labour. -Matt So another denier of the labour nothern vote. It's really sad that labour supporters can't actually talk facts, just anecdotes that dodge the central point. Deny what?! I haven't mentioned anything about the labour northern vote. The only thing I mentioned was Bristol as from what I read somewhere it sounded to be an outlier to your data. -Matt Averages include outliers, yes You've still lost me. I don't know why you are saying I don't believe in the 'labour northern vote'. I don't actually know what you mean by it to be honest, so certainly haven't given any opinion on it either way. Yet for some reason you are say I'm a denier of it. -Matt True or false, the north of england cast more votes for labour than the south of england? No idea. I'd guess less. Why? -Matt So you think the northern vote is the reason the conservatives are the largest party!? Have you seen the election map today? No, I don't think that. What is with you this evening and the non sequiturs? Why are you so keen to put words into my mouth? I've just had another look at an election map, and you are right. There might be slightly more labour voting districts in the north by the looks of it, but not much in it. -Matt Slightly? Remember those northern ones are dense cities rather than your somersets and cornwall. Yes, slightly. I'm looking at a map that has been drawn with the districts by population and adding up wales, london and the midlands it looks like it comes almost to the size of the northern labour areas. I don't know the exact numbers though. As I said originally, I have no idea and was guessing. -Matt" So it would come as a surpise to you that northern cities, trade union members and civil servants are traditional strongholds for labour? | |||
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Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
More of an updated Robin Hood really, robbing the middle classes to fund the poor because the rich hide their wealth too well.
Yeah .
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"I like corbyn, he is like a modern day rocky balboa, a people champion
Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
More of an updated Robin Hood really, robbing the middle classes to fund the poor because the rich hide their wealth too well.
Yeah .
Still, you know what they say, what goes around comes around
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" So really when you started this thread you just wanted a bunch of people to praise him like a proper echo chamber
the issue is whether you like to admit it... or don't....
you have to admit that him and labour did run a good campaign....
just like you can admit that the campaign the tories ran was shocking bad....
the right wing media tried to do a proper hatchet job on him.... but the power of social media for me defeated that....
when he was on the main stage he made himself look a lot more competant than may did.... save for one or two bloopers (the womans hour interview) he did a good job
Jeremy did run an excellent campaign and May's was disastrous. In fact the more I saw of May the more of a disaster I thought she was.
That being said, I still don't agree with Jeremy or his policies. I still believe he's lied to the people by telling the "many" they can have everything they want and, because the "few" will pay for it all, it won't cost them a penny more. It's still populist bullshit.
Do you think none of the other party's lie then
Do you remember the crap conservatives came out with before the referendum "No, I don't any of the parties usually lie. I think sometimes the realities of government prevent parties from doing what they originally wanted to do. Which crap from before the referendum are you talking about because the only really big lie that I can remember from the referendum was the £350 million, which was from leave, not the government. | |||
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Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then."thats why i compared corbyn to sanders in the US and Melachon in france..... but not only did he excite the youth, he managed to get them out an vote and believe that their vote mattered.... in the grand scheme of things it might not look like a victory now.... but 6 months down the line (and i still think another election is coming in november) this is laying down the blueprint..... | |||
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"I like corbyn, he is like a modern day rocky balboa, a people champion
Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
thats why i compared corbyn to sanders in the US and Melachon in france..... but not only did he excite the youth, he managed to get them out an vote and believe that their vote mattered....
in the grand scheme of things it might not look like a victory now.... but 6 months down the line (and i still think another election is coming in november) this is laying down the blueprint.....
"If they don't have an election then that would be 12 years in power. The most conservative have ever done is 18 (labour 13). The nature of politics is that the grass grows greener over time. If they are smart they will take the guarantee of 12 years. | |||
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"I like corbyn, he is like a modern day rocky balboa, a people champion
Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
thats why i compared corbyn to sanders in the US and Melachon in france..... but not only did he excite the youth, he managed to get them out an vote and believe that their vote mattered....
in the grand scheme of things it might not look like a victory now.... but 6 months down the line (and i still think another election is coming in november) this is laying down the blueprint.....
If they don't have an election then that would be 12 years in power. The most conservative have ever done is 18 (labour 13). The nature of politics is that the grass grows greener over time. If they are smart they will take the guarantee of 12 years. "I agree with you about another election but less than12 months. I just hope it gives the tories time to get a strong leader with modern ideas and revamps the stale tory party party.I cannot stand communists and could never vote for Corbyn but the tories are out of touch | |||
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"I like corbyn, he is like a modern day rocky balboa, a people champion
Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
thats why i compared corbyn to sanders in the US and Melachon in france..... but not only did he excite the youth, he managed to get them out an vote and believe that their vote mattered....
in the grand scheme of things it might not look like a victory now.... but 6 months down the line (and i still think another election is coming in november) this is laying down the blueprint.....
If they don't have an election then that would be 12 years in power. The most conservative have ever done is 18 (labour 13). The nature of politics is that the grass grows greener over time. If they are smart they will take the guarantee of 12 years. I agree with you about another election but less than12 months.
I just hope it gives the tories time to get a strong leader with modern ideas and revamps the stale tory party party.I cannot stand communists and could never vote for Corbyn but the tories are out of touch"Agree | |||
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"I like corbyn, he is like a modern day rocky balboa, a people champion
Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
More of an updated Robin Hood really, robbing the middle classes to fund the poor because the rich hide their wealth too well"The torys are opposite tho, take from the poor give to the rich, it is time for a change. | |||
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"I like corbyn, he is like a modern day rocky balboa, a people champion
Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
More of an updated Robin Hood really, robbing the middle classes to fund the poor because the rich hide their wealth too wellThe torys are opposite tho, take from the poor give to the rich, it is time for a change."1% of workers pay 30% of income tax so not sure how you worked that one out | |||
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"I like corbyn, he is like a modern day rocky balboa, a people champion
Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
More of an updated Robin Hood really, robbing the middle classes to fund the poor because the rich hide their wealth too wellThe torys are opposite tho, take from the poor give to the rich, it is time for a change.
1% of workers pay 30% of income tax so not sure how you worked that one out"I meant more with the benefits they take away from those who needs it and the mobility cars, you never see anyone mentioning that do we. | |||
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"I like corbyn, he is like a modern day rocky balboa, a people champion
Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
More of an updated Robin Hood really, robbing the middle classes to fund the poor because the rich hide their wealth too wellThe torys are opposite tho, take from the poor give to the rich, it is time for a change."Labour just put them on the dole as firms would close and leave the country if labour got in,there would be no money for our pensioners and hospitals,we would become like Greece under corbyn | |||
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"I like corbyn, he is like a modern day rocky balboa, a people champion
Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
More of an updated Robin Hood really, robbing the middle classes to fund the poor because the rich hide their wealth too wellThe torys are opposite tho, take from the poor give to the rich, it is time for a change.Labour just put them on the dole as firms would close and leave the country if labour got in,there would be no money for our pensioners and hospitals,we would become like Greece under corbyn"Would be worse than Greece. Corbyn would turn the UK into Venezuela. | |||
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"I like corbyn, he is like a modern day rocky balboa, a people champion
Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
thats why i compared corbyn to sanders in the US and Melachon in france..... but not only did he excite the youth, he managed to get them out an vote and believe that their vote mattered....
in the grand scheme of things it might not look like a victory now.... but 6 months down the line (and i still think another election is coming in november) this is laying down the blueprint.....
"I agree with your analysis with the exception that "ConD UP" alliance will prove so toxic it may not last till Christmas. I also agree when the next election does come, with this spring board, Labour will probably do even better than it did this time, although I still think it's unlikely to get to the position were it can form a government on it's own. I'm glad, and think it's a good thing that Corbyn had actually managed to engage the young and get them motivated. My problem is is that i still don't believe his policies are economically sound or viable and promising the "many" everything they want and that someone else is going to pay for it all is populist rubbish. When he can't actually deliver how will the young feel then. | |||
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"I like corbyn, he is like a modern day rocky balboa, a people champion
Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
thats why i compared corbyn to sanders in the US and Melachon in france..... but not only did he excite the youth, he managed to get them out an vote and believe that their vote mattered....
in the grand scheme of things it might not look like a victory now.... but 6 months down the line (and i still think another election is coming in november) this is laying down the blueprint.....
I agree with your analysis with the exception that "ConD UP" alliance will prove so toxic it may not last till Christmas. I also agree when the next election does come, with this spring board, Labour will probably do even better than it did this time, although I still think it's unlikely to get to the position were it can form a government on it's own.
I'm glad, and think it's a good thing that Corbyn had actually managed to engage the young and get them motivated.
My problem is is that i still don't believe his policies are economically sound or viable and promising the "many" everything they want and that someone else is going to pay for it all is populist rubbish. When he can't actually deliver how will the young feel then."The point was made on BBC 2 Newsnight earlier that people voted for Corbyn as a protest because they knew he had no chance of winning. With a realistic prospect of him actually winning then he probably won't get as much support next time. The prospect of him winning for real will scare some voters away from him. | |||
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"I like corbyn, he is like a modern day rocky balboa, a people champion
Yes!! He's the new Messiah; The savour of Britain; Enabler of youth; Bringer of all good things for all (or at least many). All hail to Jeremy. He even has the right initials.
No personality cult here then.
thats why i compared corbyn to sanders in the US and Melachon in france..... but not only did he excite the youth, he managed to get them out an vote and believe that their vote mattered....
in the grand scheme of things it might not look like a victory now.... but 6 months down the line (and i still think another election is coming in november) this is laying down the blueprint.....
If they don't have an election then that would be 12 years in power. The most conservative have ever done is 18 (labour 13). The nature of politics is that the grass grows greener over time. If they are smart they will take the guarantee of 12 years. I agree with you about another election but less than12 months.
I just hope it gives the tories time to get a strong leader with modern ideas and revamps the stale tory party party.I cannot stand communists and could never vote for Corbyn but the tories are out of touch"The biggest thing the Conservatives normally have going for then is that they are seen as economically pragmatic and component. Unfortunately, while backing BREXIT, the most economically destabilising and risky policy since 1929, they can't really claim that any more. It's made even worse by the fact that many leading Conservatives were the leaders of the whole leave campaign which just makes then look even more economically incompetent. The only possible way to combat Corbyn's economically unsustainable message of hope is by pointing out how economically unrealistic it really is. The Conservatives can't do that while backing the economically suicidal policy of BREXIT. Without the attributes of economic pragmatism and competence the Conservatives have nothing unique to offer and may as well packup and go home now. | |||
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