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"If at any point in your life you're going to be young, or old, get sick, need education, require the help of the emergency services, then it's a vote for Labour. If you're rich and don't want to help others less fortunate as yourself, then it's the Conservatives. Pretty much sums it up " | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? That's pretty much it. We live near Ashford so it doesn't really matter how we vote unfortunately, Tories will always get in here. Personally I have never voted Tory and I just can't stand Labour (champagne socialists). Liberal Democrats lied to the country when they were in power so it's Green or UKIP. Still confused ..."  | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ..." So the Tories have had 7 years of austerity (5 with the Lib Dems) where they've cut public services so far and so fast, but the debt has gone up, not down... meanwhile they've given the very richest in society tax cuts, and let big businesses get away without paying their taxes as well. It's worth checking out some of the videos from both parties on Facebook or similar, look at the crowds that Corbyn is pulling... it's crazy. Ask yourself why May has avoided the debates... look at her face and listen to her non-answers when she's faced with the public... the majority of the papers are owned by mega rich guys, then take a look at their smear campaign, they're worried. | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter" "Look at the 1970's and if it looks good to you, vote labour. Conservatives mean the next 5 years will look a lot like the last 5. | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ..." Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015. | |||
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"If you want the immigration floodgates to open.. Vote Labour If you want a blithering idiot in charge of fighting terrorism.. Vote Labour. "With respect... You're talking bollocks. Have you even bothered to read the Labour manifesto? And can you substantiate your claim that he's a blithering idiot? | |||
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"If you want the immigration floodgates to open.. Vote Labour If you want a blithering idiot in charge of fighting terrorism.. Vote Labour. "Is it that simple tho... some othsrs have made persuasive arguments that she can't debate or negotiate?! | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ... Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015." Wow! Is that true?? But aren't Labours plans a gamble .. tax the rich .. they are the ones who can afford the best accountants to get out of paying ! If he's spent money we can't then recoup then what ?? | |||
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"Do you think both parties can lead a credible government? Do you think both leaders can represent us well on the world stage? Do you think both parties have the right people to back their leader and responsibly take charge of our economy? I don't you see, so the decision was easy "Sorry, I didn't understand that at all ?? | |||
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"If you want the immigration floodgates to open.. Vote Labour If you want a blithering idiot in charge of fighting terrorism.. Vote Labour.
Is it that simple tho... some othsrs have made persuasive arguments that she can't debate or negotiate?!"Very true i can see it from both sides and after she couldn't be even bothered to show up for a debate and sent Amber rudd as a stand in i have my doubts as to her 'strong and stable ' leadership. No excuse for it she is the PM she should of been there. | |||
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"Do you think both parties can lead a credible government? Do you think both leaders can represent us well on the world stage? Do you think both parties have the right people to back their leader and responsibly take charge of our economy? I don't you see, so the decision was easy
Sorry, I didn't understand that at all ??"Lol. Ask yourself the questions. I can see you would be struggling to decide if you think both leaders / parties are good to vote for ! | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ... Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015. Wow! Is that true?? But aren't Labours plans a gamble .. tax the rich .. they are the ones who can afford the best accountants to get out of paying ! If he's spent money we can't then recoup then what ??" Yes it's true but anyone who thinks labour would have added less in that time period is deluded | |||
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"I'm naturally a blue but have my doubts about May one thing this election has a exposed is she is no iron lady but a weak indifferent leader and her crown has slipped. But i can't take labour seriously so i stick to better the devil you know for now after all it was the conservatives who got us into this mess with pointless brexit let them sort it out the least they can do for us now. " Tend to agree... however, at least Labour have a plan weather we like it or not... May seems bereft of ideas and I thought Paxman was going to make her cry the other day ! She's no MT ! | |||
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"If you want the immigration floodgates to open.. Vote Labour If you want a blithering idiot in charge of fighting terrorism.. Vote Labour.
Is it that simple tho... some othsrs have made persuasive arguments that she can't debate or negotiate?!
Very true i can see it from both sides and after she couldn't be even bothered to show up for a debate and sent Amber rudd as a stand in i have my doubts as to her 'strong and stable ' leadership.
No excuse for it she is the PM she should of been there."Exactly !! At least JC went ! | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx" Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue | |||
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"Labour sums do add up, but are based on some "hopeful" (to put it mildly) assumptions. Expect them to ditch about half their plans. IMO half of their plans is still a good thing. My main worry with labour is will their infrastructure investment offset corporate fear from tax rises. " That my worry too! I love the ideas but if the rich & businesses get out of paying we will all be left in the shit! | |||
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Which is incredible, also under labour things wherent on the brink of collapse, like nhs, schools etc... | |||
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"Labour sums do add up, but are based on some "hopeful" (to put it mildly) assumptions. Expect them to ditch about half their plans. IMO half of their plans is still a good thing. My main worry with labour is will their infrastructure investment offset corporate fear from tax rises. That my worry too! I love the ideas but if the rich & businesses get out of paying we will all be left in the shit! " If you look at the financial statistics through the years, you will find that the Tories have borrowed far more than Labour ever did. Indeed the National debt was created by the Tories in the 1680s with the creation of the Royal Navy. Its down to the Tories that we are over a £Trillion in debt. In short, it will never be paid off. Also lets not forget, if the Tories stay in for another 5 years. Then its another 5 years of crippling austerity cuts and the complete destruction of the NHS, while the rich get richer. | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue " My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red.  xxx | |||
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"Labour sums do add up, but are based on some "hopeful" (to put it mildly) assumptions. Expect them to ditch about half their plans. IMO half of their plans is still a good thing. My main worry with labour is will their infrastructure investment offset corporate fear from tax rises. That my worry too! I love the ideas but if the rich & businesses get out of paying we will all be left in the shit! " Lets say they don't get out of paying. Do you think tesco will: A) make smaller profits B) increase the price of food? This is why the OECD ranked corporation tax as "the most damaging type of tax" there is. | |||
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"The tories have borrowed more in 7 years than all previous labour governments put together
Which is incredible, also under labour things wherent on the brink of collapse, like nhs, schools etc..."Yes but that was during the Blair government. When he turned so called New Labour into a middle right party. A party I never recognised. At least Corbyn is taking the party back in the right direction. | |||
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"Labour sums do add up, but are based on some "hopeful" (to put it mildly) assumptions. Expect them to ditch about half their plans. IMO half of their plans is still a good thing. My main worry with labour is will their infrastructure investment offset corporate fear from tax rises. That my worry too! I love the ideas but if the rich & businesses get out of paying we will all be left in the shit! If you look at the financial statistics through the years, you will find that the Tories have borrowed far more than Labour ever did. Indeed the National debt was created by the Tories in the 1680s with the creation of the Royal Navy. Its down to the Tories that we are over a £Trillion in debt. In short, it will never be paid off. Also lets not forget, if the Tories stay in for another 5 years. Then its another 5 years of crippling austerity cuts and the complete destruction of the NHS, while the rich get richer." So nothing to do with a banking crisis then | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx"Ask your mum how bankrupting the country helps the poor | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ..." IMO its all good offering free this and free that but surely our focus at the moment should be ...how can we boost the economy and support our businesses...especially small ones ...not how can we penalise the businesses or anyone boosting the economy and dish out a load of freebies And privatizing some of our big services isn't always bad ....theyre just managed in a different way Boosting the economy should be the first thing then we will be in a position to give out the freebies | |||
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"The tories have borrowed more in 7 years than all previous labour governments put together
Which is incredible, also under labour things wherent on the brink of collapse, like nhs, schools etc...
Yes but that was during the Blair government. When he turned so called New Labour into a middle right party. A party I never recognised. At least Corbyn is taking the party back in the right direction."Corbyn is living in the land of fairies ....his figures don't add up and whilst I'm not a fan of May.. I might have to vote blue | |||
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"Labour sums do add up, but are based on some "hopeful" (to put it mildly) assumptions. Expect them to ditch about half their plans. IMO half of their plans is still a good thing. My main worry with labour is will their infrastructure investment offset corporate fear from tax rises. That my worry too! I love the ideas but if the rich & businesses get out of paying we will all be left in the shit! If you look at the financial statistics through the years, you will find that the Tories have borrowed far more than Labour ever did. Indeed the National debt was created by the Tories in the 1680s with the creation of the Royal Navy. Its down to the Tories that we are over a £Trillion in debt. In short, it will never be paid off. Also lets not forget, if the Tories stay in for another 5 years. Then its another 5 years of crippling austerity cuts and the complete destruction of the NHS, while the rich get richer. So nothing to do with a banking crisis then "The banking crisis...now im glad you mentioned that. That came about because all the banks were deregulated by the Thatcher government. Tories again you see. | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
Ask your mum how bankrupting the country helps the poor "My mum's voting preferences are not the business of fab. | |||
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"Labour sums do add up, but are based on some "hopeful" (to put it mildly) assumptions. Expect them to ditch about half their plans. IMO half of their plans is still a good thing. My main worry with labour is will their infrastructure investment offset corporate fear from tax rises. That my worry too! I love the ideas but if the rich & businesses get out of paying we will all be left in the shit! If you look at the financial statistics through the years, you will find that the Tories have borrowed far more than Labour ever did. Indeed the National debt was created by the Tories in the 1680s with the creation of the Royal Navy. Its down to the Tories that we are over a £Trillion in debt. In short, it will never be paid off. Also lets not forget, if the Tories stay in for another 5 years. Then its another 5 years of crippling austerity cuts and the complete destruction of the NHS, while the rich get richer. So nothing to do with a banking crisis then
The banking crisis...now im glad you mentioned that.
That came about because all the banks were deregulated by the Thatcher government.
Tories again you see. "What role would you the financial services modernization act played in it? | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
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My mum's voting preferences are not the business of fab."You bought them up! | |||
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"My advice, read impartial summaries of key policy pledges for all of the parties, turn off social media and make your OWN choice based on your values, ethics and priorities. Every bugger on social media will have their own political bias and try and push THEIR views on you. Don't be a lemming - vote true to YOURSELF. But read the manifestos or at least the key points of them all so you're informed "Tbh I would agree with this. The problem is, most people aren't interested in politics, and will only pick up what they read in the mostly Tory biased gutter press. It doesn't occur to them to read the actual manifesto. | |||
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"If at any point in your life you're going to be young, or old, get sick, need education, require the help of the emergency services, then it's a vote for Labour. If you're rich and don't want to help others less fortunate as yourself, then it's the Conservatives. Pretty much sums it up "To balance this argument, if you think it's ok to continue borrowing money from other countries to prop up failing industries, give to immigrants and those that don't want to do any work, while jobs disappear as any profitable industry leaves the UK to avoid the hikes in corporation tax then vote red. It appears both sides are making promises that their budgets cannot keep. | |||
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"My advice, read impartial summaries of key policy pledges for all of the parties, turn off social media and make your OWN choice based on your values, ethics and priorities. Every bugger on social media will have their own political bias and try and push THEIR views on you. Don't be a lemming - vote true to YOURSELF. But read the manifestos or at least the key points of them all so you're informed "Good advice ... I have actually read them . The Tory manifesto says a lot of platitudes and no substance , the labour manifesto is the one with progressive ideas.. he's the catch tho and why I can't decide .. I fear the plan to just tax businesses & the rich will work . They will simply get the best accountants and dodge it and we will all be in the shit ! | |||
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"If at any point in your life you're going to be young, or old, get sick, need education, require the help of the emergency services, then it's a vote for Labour. If you're rich and don't want to help others less fortunate as yourself, then it's the Conservatives. Pretty much sums it up
To balance this argument, if you think it's ok to continue borrowing money from other countries to prop up failing industries, give to immigrants and those that don't want to do any work, while jobs disappear as any profitable industry leaves the UK to avoid the hikes in corporation tax then vote red.
It appears both sides are making promises that their budgets cannot keep."Both sides will lie, both sides will break promises. The consequences of them are not the same for all parties though. | |||
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" And privatizing some of our big services isn't always bad ....theyre just managed in a different way " If you are talking about the NHS here. I would think privatising is bad as costs go up though demand and lack of provision in the public sphere. Whilst this leads to a quicker service and contractors can be changed, this can take time if specialised. What you should be saying is that it came to just under 5% with the Labour Govt and it currently stands just under 8%. | |||
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"If at any point in your life you're going to be young, or old, get sick, need education, require the help of the emergency services, then it's a vote for Labour. If you're rich and don't want to help others less fortunate as yourself, then it's the Conservatives. Pretty much sums it up "Very well summarised | |||
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"My advice, read impartial summaries of key policy pledges for all of the parties, turn off social media and make your OWN choice based on your values, ethics and priorities. Every bugger on social media will have their own political bias and try and push THEIR views on you. Don't be a lemming - vote true to YOURSELF. But read the manifestos or at least the key points of them all so you're informed
Good advice ... I have actually read them . The Tory manifesto says a lot of platitudes and no substance , the labour manifesto is the one with progressive ideas.. he's the catch tho and why I can't decide .. I fear the plan to just tax businesses & the rich will work . They will simply get the best accountants and dodge it and we will all be in the shit !
"Go on... take the leap of faith and go Labour. I have, and I have no regrets. I really hope Labour wins. It can't possibly be any worse than another 5 years of the Tories. | |||
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"Labour sums do add up, but are based on some "hopeful" (to put it mildly) assumptions. Expect them to ditch about half their plans. IMO half of their plans is still a good thing. My main worry with labour is will their infrastructure investment offset corporate fear from tax rises. That my worry too! I love the ideas but if the rich & businesses get out of paying we will all be left in the shit! Lets say they don't get out of paying. Do you think tesco will: A) make smaller profits B) increase the price of food? This is why the OECD ranked corporation tax as "the most damaging type of tax" there is. " That's a great point ! They will either lay off staff or cause inflation by increasing the cost of living ! Hmmmm | |||
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"If at any point in your life you're going to be young, or old, get sick, need education, require the help of the emergency services, then it's a vote for Labour. If you're rich and don't want to help others less fortunate as yourself, then it's the Conservatives. Pretty much sums it up
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"Well while your all at it....whos converting to Islam soon you know beat the rush and that you don't want to be caught up in the mass beheading que do you ....." This is completely tasteless! SHAME ON YOU! | |||
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"If at any point in your life you're going to be young, or old, get sick, need education, require the help of the emergency services, then it's a vote for Labour. If you're rich and don't want to help others less fortunate as yourself, then it's the Conservatives. Pretty much sums it up
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"If you want the immigration floodgates to open.. Vote Labour If you want a blithering idiot in charge of fighting terrorism.. Vote Labour. " If you want this country to go bankrupt vote labour, if you want more terrorist invading our once loved country vote labour, if you want a blithering idiot who couldn't run a corner shop vote labour, if you want this country to be inundated with a population explosion vote labour. If they are elected we are doomed | |||
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"My advice, read impartial summaries of key policy pledges for all of the parties, turn off social media and make your OWN choice based on your values, ethics and priorities. Every bugger on social media will have their own political bias and try and push THEIR views on you. Don't be a lemming - vote true to YOURSELF. But read the manifestos or at least the key points of them all so you're informed
Tbh I would agree with this.
The problem is, most people aren't interested in politics, and will only pick up what they read in the mostly Tory biased gutter press. It doesn't occur to them to read the actual manifesto. "Sad but true. I'd add that even worse is the many who rely on Facebook memes | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ... Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015." Labour will add that £550m in one year. I like corbyns ethics for society but labour lack financial sense. Brown led the boom and bust era, corbyn risks restarting that. Running a country is similar to a household, if you can't increase income (materially) then you need to cut spending, corporation tax is the key earner, not 2% on anyone's salaries. UK has 8 years to return to year on year surplus or long term economic recovery is irrecoverable. I lived in a country that had 150,000% inflation, I've seen the impact first hand. May the force be with all of us. | |||
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"Labour sums do add up, but are based on some "hopeful" (to put it mildly) assumptions. Expect them to ditch about half their plans. IMO half of their plans is still a good thing. My main worry with labour is will their infrastructure investment offset corporate fear from tax rises. That my worry too! I love the ideas but if the rich & businesses get out of paying we will all be left in the shit! Lets say they don't get out of paying. Do you think tesco will: A) make smaller profits B) increase the price of food? This is why the OECD ranked corporation tax as "the most damaging type of tax" there is. That's a great point ! They will either lay off staff or cause inflation by increasing the cost of living ! Hmmmm" Yeah but lets not listen to the OECD or the IFS, or even debate facts. Lets just chant slogans about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Gosh i can't wait for this to be over. | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ... Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015. Labour will add that £550m in one year. I like corbyns ethics for society but labour lack financial sense. Brown led the boom and bust era, corbyn risks restarting that. Running a country is similar to a household, if you can't increase income (materially) then you need to cut spending, corporation tax is the key earner, not 2% on anyone's salaries. UK has 8 years to return to year on year surplus or long term economic recovery is irrecoverable. I lived in a country that had 150,000% inflation, I've seen the impact first hand. May the force be with all of us. "If we need more money tho to "run the household " I'm suggesting tax businesses AND income tax ! | |||
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"So, firstly HOPE is not a strategy.......neither "leader" (loose term) has been that credible thorought the campaign. I agree with most on here regarding reading the salient points of the manifesto's to come to YOUR conclusion. I also think you'll vote somewhat based upon where you are in your life, and that is ok also. I know where my vote is going." WHERE ? | |||
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"If you want the immigration floodgates to open.. Vote Labour If you want a blithering idiot in charge of fighting terrorism.. Vote Labour. If you want this country to go bankrupt vote labour, if you want more terrorist invading our once loved country vote labour, if you want a blithering idiot who couldn't run a corner shop vote labour, if you want this country to be inundated with a population explosion vote labour. If they are elected we are doomed "WOW! ... guess ur blue ! | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ... Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015. Labour will add that £550m in one year. I like corbyns ethics for society but labour lack financial sense. Brown led the boom and bust era, corbyn risks restarting that. Running a country is similar to a household, if you can't increase income (materially) then you need to cut spending, corporation tax is the key earner, not 2% on anyone's salaries. UK has 8 years to return to year on year surplus or long term economic recovery is irrecoverable. I lived in a country that had 150,000% inflation, I've seen the impact first hand. May the force be with all of us.
If we need more money tho to "run the household " I'm suggesting tax businesses AND income tax ! "Those lending us the money will assess our ability to repay and set the repayment rates. Much like a credit card. Much like Greek bailout. Do they like us - will they make it easy. In the longer term, I don't think they will. | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ... Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015. Labour will add that £550m in one year. I like corbyns ethics for society but labour lack financial sense. Brown led the boom and bust era, corbyn risks restarting that. Running a country is similar to a household, if you can't increase income (materially) then you need to cut spending, corporation tax is the key earner, not 2% on anyone's salaries. UK has 8 years to return to year on year surplus or long term economic recovery is irrecoverable. I lived in a country that had 150,000% inflation, I've seen the impact first hand. May the force be with all of us.
If we need more money tho to "run the household " I'm suggesting tax businesses AND income tax !
Those lending us the money will assess our ability to repay and set the repayment rates. Much like a credit card. Much like Greek bailout. Do they like us - will they make it easy.
In the longer term, I don't think they will. "The only reason we are still solvent is because interest rates are ridiculously low. If they returned to their average rate then we'd be spending more each year on debt interest than the entire education budget. Not very socialist. | |||
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".... If we need more money tho to "run the household " I'm suggesting tax businesses AND income tax ! " It is the way to fill the coffers .
But Getting the balance right is the challenge. Charge too much and they may leave for cheaper tax shores.
Do you make £10 from 2 firms each paying £5 or promote others to stay through cheaper rates and taxes, and instead make £12 from 3 firms paying £4 each.
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
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"Swing voter here, still no idea who gets my x Could it be my first ever spoilt ballot paper ? I've only once felt like this before at a general election where I've thought the main 2 or sort of 3 parties are fucking worthless and don't deserve my vote so that last time was a protest vote." It gets to you sometimes eh ... then I watch those brave men commemorating the D-Day landings and I think " those guys died for my rite to vote " .. | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
Ask your mum how bankrupting the country helps the poor
Why this lot have bloody bankrupt the poor already....they stand a chance with labour."Put your ideology away for two minutes and look at the state of the economy in 2010. The banking crisis wasn't labours fault but Keynesian econonics is about running surpluses in good times to fund stimulus in bad times. They didn't do that and that is their fault. | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ... Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015. Wow! Is that true?? But aren't Labours plans a gamble .. tax the rich .. they are the ones who can afford the best accountants to get out of paying ! If he's spent money we can't then recoup then what ?? Yes it's true but anyone who thinks labour would have added less in that time period is deluded " Actually the figure is £550,000 million (£550 billion). If spending had carried on after 2010 along Labours plans it would have increased by £1,500,000 million (£1,500 billion or £1.5 trillions). Jeremy's plans are to increase the deficit by £25,000 million a year. That would bring the deficit up to about £80,000 million. Over 7 years that would add an additional £550,000 million to the national debt. | |||
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"Swing voter here, still no idea who gets my x Could it be my first ever spoilt ballot paper ? I've only once felt like this before at a general election where I've thought the main 2 or sort of 3 parties are fucking worthless and don't deserve my vote so that last time was a protest vote." Well you will vote or you won't.....but to be honest if you live in England or Wales it's a two horse race, and you know which way I would advise....but you have the final say and as for spoiling a ballot paper I do not see the point as it benefits no one... not even yourself if it's Pissing down | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ... Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015. Labour will add that £550m in one year. I like corbyns ethics for society but labour lack financial sense. Brown led the boom and bust era, corbyn risks restarting that. Running a country is similar to a household, if you can't increase income (materially) then you need to cut spending, corporation tax is the key earner, not 2% on anyone's salaries. UK has 8 years to return to year on year surplus or long term economic recovery is irrecoverable. I lived in a country that had 150,000% inflation, I've seen the impact first hand. May the force be with all of us.
If we need more money tho to "run the household " I'm suggesting tax businesses AND income tax !
Those lending us the money will assess our ability to repay and set the repayment rates. Much like a credit card. Much like Greek bailout. Do they like us - will they make it easy.
In the longer term, I don't think they will.
The only reason we are still solvent is because interest rates are ridiculously low. If they returned to their average rate then we'd be spending more each year on debt interest than the entire education budget. Not very socialist. "I'll have to take your word for it but as an afterthought to my post. If the EU knows we need to lend (I understand all Governments lend), but lend to the extent the Labour manifesto says, then: If Labour is voted in - they will know concessions are likely as it will mean biting the hand that feeds you financially. The Torys have played Brexit quite close to their chest. I doubt they will walk away at any cost but a manifesto built on spending must show Labours hand? | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
Ask your mum how bankrupting the country helps the poor
Why this lot have bloody bankrupt the poor already....they stand a chance with labour.
Put your ideology away for two minutes and look at the state of the economy in 2010. The banking crisis wasn't labours fault but Keynesian econonics is about running surpluses in good times to fund stimulus in bad times. They didn't do that and that is their fault."Name a country that did at that time....and had the tories been in it would have been the same result....open your blinkered eyes | |||
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"So, firstly HOPE is not a strategy.......neither "leader" (loose term) has been that credible thorought the campaign. I agree with most on here regarding reading the salient points of the manifesto's to come to YOUR conclusion. I also think you'll vote somewhat based upon where you are in your life, and that is ok also. I know where my vote is going. WHERE ? " Blue. | |||
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"Well heres a question: Do you enjoy a free, open and anonymous internet? If you do then Labours the one to vote for. May is trying to stifle the internet and create files on every internet user because "terrorism". Never mind that the london attackers met in person at one of their flats and that previous attacks have been coordinated by sms text messages and not internet. Mays got a hard on for blocking adult sites and you can be sure this and anything else swinging related will be on that list." If poppers can be discussed and made legal in the house of commons ... I'll say sex will have a discussion, along with putting your dick in someone and viewing some flange. | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ... Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015. Labour will add that £550m in one year. I like corbyns ethics for society but labour lack financial sense. Brown led the boom and bust era, corbyn risks restarting that. Running a country is similar to a household, if you can't increase income (materially) then you need to cut spending, corporation tax is the key earner, not 2% on anyone's salaries. UK has 8 years to return to year on year surplus or long term economic recovery is irrecoverable. I lived in a country that had 150,000% inflation, I've seen the impact first hand. May the force be with all of us.
If we need more money tho to "run the household " I'm suggesting tax businesses AND income tax !
Those lending us the money will assess our ability to repay and set the repayment rates. Much like a credit card. Much like Greek bailout. Do they like us - will they make it easy.
In the longer term, I don't think they will.
The only reason we are still solvent is because interest rates are ridiculously low. If they returned to their average rate then we'd be spending more each year on debt interest than the entire education budget. Not very socialist.
I'll have to take your word for it but as an afterthought to my post. If the EU knows we need to lend (I understand all Governments lend), but lend to the extent the Labour manifesto says, then:
If Labour is voted in - they will know concessions are likely as it will mean biting the hand that feeds you financially.
The Torys have played Brexit quite close to their chest. I doubt they will walk away at any cost but a manifesto built on spending must show Labours hand? "Its also worth remembering that the money labour plans on spending doesnt disappear. It goes to create jobs which brings down the social payments, it increases sales of materials which increases the VAT take, corporation profits will increase and so will the tax. £1 in infrastructure spending is worth £12 to the economy. Economic stimulus can come from businesses increasing their spend, consumer spending increasing, government spending increasing or banks lending more money. | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
Ask your mum how bankrupting the country helps the poor
Why this lot have bloody bankrupt the poor already....they stand a chance with labour.
Put your ideology away for two minutes and look at the state of the economy in 2010. The banking crisis wasn't labours fault but Keynesian econonics is about running surpluses in good times to fund stimulus in bad times. They didn't do that and that is their fault.
Name a country that did at that time....and had the tories been in it would have been the same result....open your blinkered eyes "I'm not saying the tories are an especially great party. Their election campaign is truly pathetic. I just hope the OP votes for anyone but labour because they are the only party hell bent on borrowing until we are bankrupt. | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ... Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015. Labour will add that £550m in one year. I like corbyns ethics for society but labour lack financial sense. Brown led the boom and bust era, corbyn risks restarting that. Running a country is similar to a household, if you can't increase income (materially) then you need to cut spending, corporation tax is the key earner, not 2% on anyone's salaries. UK has 8 years to return to year on year surplus or long term economic recovery is irrecoverable. I lived in a country that had 150,000% inflation, I've seen the impact first hand. May the force be with all of us.
If we need more money tho to "run the household " I'm suggesting tax businesses AND income tax !
Those lending us the money will assess our ability to repay and set the repayment rates. Much like a credit card. Much like Greek bailout. Do they like us - will they make it easy.
In the longer term, I don't think they will.
The only reason we are still solvent is because interest rates are ridiculously low. If they returned to their average rate then we'd be spending more each year on debt interest than the entire education budget. Not very socialist.
I'll have to take your word for it but as an afterthought to my post. If the EU knows we need to lend (I understand all Governments lend), but lend to the extent the Labour manifesto says, then:
If Labour is voted in - they will know concessions are likely as it will mean biting the hand that feeds you financially.
The Torys have played Brexit quite close to their chest. I doubt they will walk away at any cost but a manifesto built on spending must show Labours hand?
Its also worth remembering that the money labour plans on spending doesnt disappear. It goes to create jobs which brings down the social payments, it increases sales of materials which increases the VAT take, corporation profits will increase and so will the tax.
£1 in infrastructure spending is worth £12 to the economy. Economic stimulus can come from businesses increasing their spend, consumer spending increasing, government spending increasing or banks lending more money."£1 on the NHS doesn't generate £12 in the economy. The more free healthcare there is, the more liberties people take with their health frankly. Very little of what labour want to spend on will generate £12 per £1 in the economy. | |||
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"Well heres a question: Do you enjoy a free, open and anonymous internet? If you do then Labours the one to vote for. May is trying to stifle the internet and create files on every internet user because "terrorism". Never mind that the london attackers met in person at one of their flats and that previous attacks have been coordinated by sms text messages and not internet. Mays got a hard on for blocking adult sites and you can be sure this and anything else swinging related will be on that list. If poppers can be discussed and made legal in the house of commons ... I'll say sex will have a discussion, along with putting your dick in someone and viewing some flange." It'll be discussed but Mays set her stall out. First it was "wont you think of the children" with her porn filter, now its "terrorists even though they meet in person and have used texts". Her years long campaign to bring the internet under her control and create an internet registery with every persons history on there is something she will be pushing hard for in the next session. Shes said so herself. If you like a free open internet vote labour. If you want your entire internet history and all your accounts on record with tens of thousands of people, possibly including people you know, able to access it then vote conservative. | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
Ask your mum how bankrupting the country helps the poor
Why this lot have bloody bankrupt the poor already....they stand a chance with labour.
Put your ideology away for two minutes and look at the state of the economy in 2010. The banking crisis wasn't labours fault but Keynesian econonics is about running surpluses in good times to fund stimulus in bad times. They didn't do that and that is their fault.
Name a country that did at that time....and had the tories been in it would have been the same result....open your blinkered eyes
I'm not saying the tories are an especially great party. Their election campaign is truly pathetic. I just hope the OP votes for anyone but labour because they are the only party hell bent on borrowing until we are bankrupt. "Obviously I don't agree with that statement on bankrupting the country. I agree in the short term that they will borrow as all governments need to at this time. But simply staying with the party that is screwing the poorest..vulnerable...all the services including education....needs to stop today! Hopefully people will agree. | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
Ask your mum how bankrupting the country helps the poor
Why this lot have bloody bankrupt the poor already....they stand a chance with labour.
Put your ideology away for two minutes and look at the state of the economy in 2010. The banking crisis wasn't labours fault but Keynesian econonics is about running surpluses in good times to fund stimulus in bad times. They didn't do that and that is their fault.
Name a country that did at that time....and had the tories been in it would have been the same result....open your blinkered eyes
I'm not saying the tories are an especially great party. Their election campaign is truly pathetic. I just hope the OP votes for anyone but labour because they are the only party hell bent on borrowing until we are bankrupt.
Obviously I don't agree with that statement on bankrupting the country.
I agree in the short term that they will borrow as all governments need to at this time.
But simply staying with the party that is screwing the poorest..vulnerable...all the services including education....needs to stop today! Hopefully people will agree. "Erm no, I'm not swinging red this time, although I have previously. Just not feeling the love for JC at all I'm afraid. I don't believe he is a credible leader for our country. But I admire your tenacity | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
Ask your mum how bankrupting the country helps the poor
Why this lot have bloody bankrupt the poor already....they stand a chance with labour.
Put your ideology away for two minutes and look at the state of the economy in 2010. The banking crisis wasn't labours fault but Keynesian econonics is about running surpluses in good times to fund stimulus in bad times. They didn't do that and that is their fault.
Name a country that did at that time....and had the tories been in it would have been the same result....open your blinkered eyes
I'm not saying the tories are an especially great party. Their election campaign is truly pathetic. I just hope the OP votes for anyone but labour because they are the only party hell bent on borrowing until we are bankrupt.
Obviously I don't agree with that statement on bankrupting the country.
I agree in the short term that they will borrow as all governments need to at this time.
But simply staying with the party that is screwing the poorest..vulnerable...all the services including education....needs to stop today! Hopefully people will agree. "Nothing screws the poor more than loading them and their children with a debt they can never afford to pay. How anyone can call themselves as socialist when we already spend ~3% of GDP on debt repayment is beyond my understanding of the term. The looney right go mental over 0.7% of GDP on foreign aid but the looney left don't mind 3% to banks!!! | |||
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"Well heres a question: Do you enjoy a free, open and anonymous internet? If you do then Labours the one to vote for. May is trying to stifle the internet and create files on every internet user because "terrorism". Never mind that the london attackers met in person at one of their flats and that previous attacks have been coordinated by sms text messages and not internet. Mays got a hard on for blocking adult sites and you can be sure this and anything else swinging related will be on that list. If poppers can be discussed and made legal in the house of commons ... I'll say sex will have a discussion, along with putting your dick in someone and viewing some flange. It'll be discussed but Mays set her stall out. First it was "wont you think of the children" with her porn filter, now its "terrorists even though they meet in person and have used texts". Her years long campaign to bring the internet under her control and create an internet registery with every persons history on there is something she will be pushing hard for in the next session. Shes said so herself. If you like a free open internet vote labour. If you want your entire internet history and all your accounts on record with tens of thousands of people, possibly including people you know, able to access it then vote conservative." This has already gone through last year. It is already in place. Many, many departments subject to access already have these powers. Have Labour said they'll reverse it, I have quickly searched their manifesto and I can't see anything on it? | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter" "Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver. | |||
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"Well heres a question: Do you enjoy a free, open and anonymous internet? If you do then Labours the one to vote for. May is trying to stifle the internet and create files on every internet user because "terrorism". Never mind that the london attackers met in person at one of their flats and that previous attacks have been coordinated by sms text messages and not internet. Mays got a hard on for blocking adult sites and you can be sure this and anything else swinging related will be on that list. If poppers can be discussed and made legal in the house of commons ... I'll say sex will have a discussion, along with putting your dick in someone and viewing some flange. It'll be discussed but Mays set her stall out. First it was "wont you think of the children" with her porn filter, now its "terrorists even though they meet in person and have used texts". Her years long campaign to bring the internet under her control and create an internet registery with every persons history on there is something she will be pushing hard for in the next session. Shes said so herself. If you like a free open internet vote labour. If you want your entire internet history and all your accounts on record with tens of thousands of people, possibly including people you know, able to access it then vote conservative. This has already gone through last year. It is already in place. Many, many departments subject to access already have these powers. Have Labour said they'll reverse it, I have quickly searched their manifesto and I can't see anything on it? " Get a VPN ffs, everyone in china does it, not difficult if you are seriously that worried | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter"
Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver."Although he voted remain | |||
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Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ... Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015. Labour will add that £550m in one year. I like corbyns ethics for society but labour lack financial sense. Brown led the boom and bust era, corbyn risks restarting that. Running a country is similar to a household, if you can't increase income (materially) then you need to cut spending, corporation tax is the key earner, not 2% on anyone's salaries. UK has 8 years to return to year on year surplus or long term economic recovery is irrecoverable. I lived in a country that had 150,000% inflation, I've seen the impact first hand. May the force be with all of us.
If we need more money tho to "run the household " I'm suggesting tax businesses AND income tax !
Those lending us the money will assess our ability to repay and set the repayment rates. Much like a credit card. Much like Greek bailout. Do they like us - will they make it easy.
In the longer term, I don't think they will.
The only reason we are still solvent is because interest rates are ridiculously low. If they returned to their average rate then we'd be spending more each year on debt interest than the entire education budget. Not very socialist.
I'll have to take your word for it but as an afterthought to my post. If the EU knows we need to lend (I understand all Governments lend), but lend to the extent the Labour manifesto says, then:
If Labour is voted in - they will know concessions are likely as it will mean biting the hand that feeds you financially.
The Torys have played Brexit quite close to their chest. I doubt they will walk away at any cost but a manifesto built on spending must show Labours hand?
Its also worth remembering that the money labour plans on spending doesnt disappear. It goes to create jobs which brings down the social payments, it increases sales of materials which increases the VAT take, corporation profits will increase and so will the tax.
£1 in infrastructure spending is worth £12 to the economy. Economic stimulus can come from businesses increasing their spend, consumer spending increasing, government spending increasing or banks lending more money."Exactly my point! Have Labour given away their Brexit hand? Are the people who are going to lend, going to give us: 1. A good deal knowing the above 2. Good rates of lending knowing the above. (I am building a new country. I want to lend your money. I don't want any of your people coming here but I want your business to come here and I am going to compete with you) | |||
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Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
Although he voted remain
Did you look over his shoulder? "Are you suggesting he would lie about his vote? He's a man of principle i'll have you know | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
Ask your mum how bankrupting the country helps the poor
Why this lot have bloody bankrupt the poor already....they stand a chance with labour.
Put your ideology away for two minutes and look at the state of the economy in 2010. The banking crisis wasn't labours fault but Keynesian econonics is about running surpluses in good times to fund stimulus in bad times. They didn't do that and that is their fault.
Name a country that did at that time....and had the tories been in it would have been the same result....open your blinkered eyes
I'm not saying the tories are an especially great party. Their election campaign is truly pathetic. I just hope the OP votes for anyone but labour because they are the only party hell bent on borrowing until we are bankrupt.
Obviously I don't agree with that statement on bankrupting the country.
I agree in the short term that they will borrow as all governments need to at this time.
But simply staying with the party that is screwing the poorest..vulnerable...all the services including education....needs to stop today! Hopefully people will agree.
Nothing screws the poor more than loading them and their children with a debt they can never afford to pay. How anyone can call themselves as socialist when we already spend ~3% of GDP on debt repayment is beyond my understanding of the term.
The looney right go mental over 0.7% of GDP on foreign aid but the looney left don't mind 3% to banks!!! "Like the university debt that they charge! Take that out of labours costings as they get nowhere near the amount they lend....but they chase the bloody poor for it for how many years? I think you will find labours costings will add up in the long term. But us two are never going to agree eh | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
Ask your mum how bankrupting the country helps the poor
Why this lot have bloody bankrupt the poor already....they stand a chance with labour.
Put your ideology away for two minutes and look at the state of the economy in 2010. The banking crisis wasn't labours fault but Keynesian econonics is about running surpluses in good times to fund stimulus in bad times. They didn't do that and that is their fault.
Name a country that did at that time....and had the tories been in it would have been the same result....open your blinkered eyes
I'm not saying the tories are an especially great party. Their election campaign is truly pathetic. I just hope the OP votes for anyone but labour because they are the only party hell bent on borrowing until we are bankrupt.
Obviously I don't agree with that statement on bankrupting the country.
I agree in the short term that they will borrow as all governments need to at this time.
But simply staying with the party that is screwing the poorest..vulnerable...all the services including education....needs to stop today! Hopefully people will agree.
Nothing screws the poor more than loading them and their children with a debt they can never afford to pay. How anyone can call themselves as socialist when we already spend ~3% of GDP on debt repayment is beyond my understanding of the term.
The looney right go mental over 0.7% of GDP on foreign aid but the looney left don't mind 3% to banks!!!
Like the university debt that they charge! Take that out of labours costings as they get nowhere near the amount they lend....but they chase the bloody poor for it for how many years?
I think you will find labours costings will add up in the long term. But us two are never going to agree eh "If you think they add up then you are predicting labour will achieve a tax to GDP ratio that has never been achieved in peacetime in this country. Since most people complain about the existing level of tax evasion with a tax to GDP ratio at 36%, i really wonder what makes you think it can go above 40% and actually be collected? | |||
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With respect...
You're talking bollocks.
Have you even bothered to read the Labour manifesto?
And can you substantiate your claim that he's a blithering idiot? "Of course I have read both manifestos, have you? If you had half a brain you'd know it's Dianne Abbott who would be home secretary fighting terrorism, she's the blithering idiot I was referring to. | |||
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"I was torn. I went Labour this am based on May being an evil cow. I think Labours Fabian Socialist are dangerous, but May more so. The debt thing is irrelevant, we are in the hands of bankers. Money is printed out of thin air then borrowed with interest! Imagine having that power. Mr or PM, we need 10bil to fuck up Iraq, ok ill print it in the morning! Mr or Mrs PM our education system and NHS is fucked can we have some more money..... Nah we cant afford it! " If you print money indefinately you get hyper inflation, do you rmember what inflation was in the 1970's when labour last got taken over by the looney left? | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter"
Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
Although he voted remain
Did you look over his shoulder?
Are you suggesting he would lie about his vote? He's a man of principle i'll have you know". Exactly, that's why he kept soo quiet during the brexit campaign. | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ... Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015. Labour will add that £550m in one year. I like corbyns ethics for society but labour lack financial sense. Brown led the boom and bust era, corbyn risks restarting that. Running a country is similar to a household, if you can't increase income (materially) then you need to cut spending, corporation tax is the key earner, not 2% on anyone's salaries. UK has 8 years to return to year on year surplus or long term economic recovery is irrecoverable. I lived in a country that had 150,000% inflation, I've seen the impact first hand. May the force be with all of us.
If we need more money tho to "run the household " I'm suggesting tax businesses AND income tax !
Those lending us the money will assess our ability to repay and set the repayment rates. Much like a credit card. Much like Greek bailout. Do they like us - will they make it easy.
In the longer term, I don't think they will.
The only reason we are still solvent is because interest rates are ridiculously low. If they returned to their average rate then we'd be spending more each year on debt interest than the entire education budget. Not very socialist.
I'll have to take your word for it but as an afterthought to my post. If the EU knows we need to lend (I understand all Governments lend), but lend to the extent the Labour manifesto says, then:
If Labour is voted in - they will know concessions are likely as it will mean biting the hand that feeds you financially.
The Torys have played Brexit quite close to their chest. I doubt they will walk away at any cost but a manifesto built on spending must show Labours hand?
Its also worth remembering that the money labour plans on spending doesnt disappear. It goes to create jobs which brings down the social payments, it increases sales of materials which increases the VAT take, corporation profits will increase and so will the tax.
£1 in infrastructure spending is worth £12 to the economy. Economic stimulus can come from businesses increasing their spend, consumer spending increasing, government spending increasing or banks lending more money.
£1 on the NHS doesn't generate £12 in the economy. The more free healthcare there is, the more liberties people take with their health frankly. Very little of what labour want to spend on will generate £12 per £1 in the economy. "Thats why I specifically said infrastructure spending and didnt mention NHS. | |||
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"Well heres a question: Do you enjoy a free, open and anonymous internet? If you do then Labours the one to vote for. May is trying to stifle the internet and create files on every internet user because "terrorism". Never mind that the london attackers met in person at one of their flats and that previous attacks have been coordinated by sms text messages and not internet. Mays got a hard on for blocking adult sites and you can be sure this and anything else swinging related will be on that list. If poppers can be discussed and made legal in the house of commons ... I'll say sex will have a discussion, along with putting your dick in someone and viewing some flange. It'll be discussed but Mays set her stall out. First it was "wont you think of the children" with her porn filter, now its "terrorists even though they meet in person and have used texts". Her years long campaign to bring the internet under her control and create an internet registery with every persons history on there is something she will be pushing hard for in the next session. Shes said so herself. If you like a free open internet vote labour. If you want your entire internet history and all your accounts on record with tens of thousands of people, possibly including people you know, able to access it then vote conservative." Whilst I've always considered Ms May a bit too authoritarian for my own personal liking this would not be a major deciding factor in voting. The last labour government had some quite authoritarian policies to. Also there is quite a strong liberal as well as libertarian tradition in the Conservative party which, with the likes of David Davies, can normally reign in the authoritarians. It's right that we should look at how the internet is used for both termism, child abuse and other crimes and see if there is anything more that can he done to make us all safer. However some things, like end-to-end encryption, are here to stay and no laws or regulations can possibly stop them. | |||
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"If you want the immigration floodgates to open.. Vote Labour If you want a blithering idiot in charge of fighting terrorism.. Vote Labour.
With respect...
You're talking bollocks.
Have you even bothered to read the Labour manifesto?
And can you substantiate your claim that he's a blithering idiot?
Of course I have read both manifestos, have you? If you had half a brain you'd know it's Dianne Abbott who would be home secretary fighting terrorism, she's the blithering idiot I was referring to. "I think you will find Diane Abbott is ill and has not been acting quite right due to this. But when you call her a idiot you do yourself and her a disservice. Just go and look at her wiki page on her achievements in her life! She is far from a idiot believe me. | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter"
Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
Although he voted remain
Did you look over his shoulder?
Are you suggesting he would lie about his vote? He's a man of principle i'll have you know
. Exactly, that's why he kept soo quiet during the brexit campaign."And maybe was a well outspoken voice at that time eh | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
Ask your mum how bankrupting the country helps the poor
Why this lot have bloody bankrupt the poor already....they stand a chance with labour.
Put your ideology away for two minutes and look at the state of the economy in 2010. The banking crisis wasn't labours fault but Keynesian econonics is about running surpluses in good times to fund stimulus in bad times. They didn't do that and that is their fault.
Name a country that did at that time....and had the tories been in it would have been the same result....open your blinkered eyes
I'm not saying the tories are an especially great party. Their election campaign is truly pathetic. I just hope the OP votes for anyone but labour because they are the only party hell bent on borrowing until we are bankrupt.
Obviously I don't agree with that statement on bankrupting the country.
I agree in the short term that they will borrow as all governments need to at this time.
But simply staying with the party that is screwing the poorest..vulnerable...all the services including education....needs to stop today! Hopefully people will agree.
Nothing screws the poor more than loading them and their children with a debt they can never afford to pay. How anyone can call themselves as socialist when we already spend ~3% of GDP on debt repayment is beyond my understanding of the term.
The looney right go mental over 0.7% of GDP on foreign aid but the looney left don't mind 3% to banks!!!
Like the university debt that they charge! Take that out of labours costings as they get nowhere near the amount they lend....but they chase the bloody poor for it for how many years?
I think you will find labours costings will add up in the long term. But us two are never going to agree eh
If you think they add up then you are predicting labour will achieve a tax to GDP ratio that has never been achieved in peacetime in this country. Since most people complain about the existing level of tax evasion with a tax to GDP ratio at 36%, i really wonder what makes you think it can go above 40% and actually be collected? "If HMRC see's an increase in funding then they will have the resources to root out any tax evaders. | |||
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"Well heres a question: Do you enjoy a free, open and anonymous internet? If you do then Labours the one to vote for. May is trying to stifle the internet and create files on every internet user because "terrorism". Never mind that the london attackers met in person at one of their flats and that previous attacks have been coordinated by sms text messages and not internet. Mays got a hard on for blocking adult sites and you can be sure this and anything else swinging related will be on that list. If poppers can be discussed and made legal in the house of commons ... I'll say sex will have a discussion, along with putting your dick in someone and viewing some flange. It'll be discussed but Mays set her stall out. First it was "wont you think of the children" with her porn filter, now its "terrorists even though they meet in person and have used texts". Her years long campaign to bring the internet under her control and create an internet registery with every persons history on there is something she will be pushing hard for in the next session. Shes said so herself. If you like a free open internet vote labour. If you want your entire internet history and all your accounts on record with tens of thousands of people, possibly including people you know, able to access it then vote conservative. Whilst I've always considered Ms May a bit too authoritarian for my own personal liking this would not be a major deciding factor in voting. The last labour government had some quite authoritarian policies to. Also there is quite a strong liberal as well as libertarian tradition in the Conservative party which, with the likes of David Davies, can normally reign in the authoritarians. It's right that we should look at how the internet is used for both termism, child abuse and other crimes and see if there is anything more that can he done to make us all safer. However some things, like end-to-end encryption, are here to stay and no laws or regulations can possibly stop them." Except May wants a backdoor into all services using end to end encryption because she doesnt understand technology. At the moment encryption is like having a 16 foot steel reenforced wall between the rest of the world and your data. She wants to put a door in there and thinks that as long as she has the only key its all fine. Apparently shes never heard of people breaking open a door or hackers. But shes technologically illiterate. | |||
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"What if I'm ok off, Healthy, work hard but want to be sure we don't go broke again ? Surely being broke like last time won't help the young , elderly , services etc ... I do think we need investment but do Labours sums add up? If not we're all fucked?? Still confused ... Labours sums add up a lot better than the Tories. The Tories have plunged us into even more debt despite the crippling austerity cuts over the past 7 years. Osborne added more than £550 million to the national debt between 2010-2015. Labour will add that £550m in one year. I like corbyns ethics for society but labour lack financial sense. Brown led the boom and bust era, corbyn risks restarting that. Running a country is similar to a household, if you can't increase income (materially) then you need to cut spending, corporation tax is the key earner, not 2% on anyone's salaries. UK has 8 years to return to year on year surplus or long term economic recovery is irrecoverable. I lived in a country that had 150,000% inflation, I've seen the impact first hand. May the force be with all of us.
If we need more money tho to "run the household " I'm suggesting tax businesses AND income tax !
Those lending us the money will assess our ability to repay and set the repayment rates. Much like a credit card. Much like Greek bailout. Do they like us - will they make it easy.
In the longer term, I don't think they will.
The only reason we are still solvent is because interest rates are ridiculously low. If they returned to their average rate then we'd be spending more each year on debt interest than the entire education budget. Not very socialist.
I'll have to take your word for it but as an afterthought to my post. If the EU knows we need to lend (I understand all Governments lend), but lend to the extent the Labour manifesto says, then:
If Labour is voted in - they will know concessions are likely as it will mean biting the hand that feeds you financially.
The Torys have played Brexit quite close to their chest. I doubt they will walk away at any cost but a manifesto built on spending must show Labours hand?
Its also worth remembering that the money labour plans on spending doesnt disappear. It goes to create jobs which brings down the social payments, it increases sales of materials which increases the VAT take, corporation profits will increase and so will the tax.
£1 in infrastructure spending is worth £12 to the economy. Economic stimulus can come from businesses increasing their spend, consumer spending increasing, government spending increasing or banks lending more money.
£1 on the NHS doesn't generate £12 in the economy. The more free healthcare there is, the more liberties people take with their health frankly. Very little of what labour want to spend on will generate £12 per £1 in the economy.
Thats why I specifically said infrastructure spending and didnt mention NHS."But most of his spending plans aren't on infrastructure | |||
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"I usually vote red but after taking an online poll on the daily mirror last night I may vote yellow today cos they steamed to meet my needs better. PTU xxx Glad you've decided Hun .. I can't ! Although I'd never go Yellow... Clegg sold out his principals to grab power ! Can't trust them at all ! Good luck to your team .. I'm still either Red or Blue My mum always told me that blue look after the rich, red look after the poor. Yellow will never get in but I think they stand a better chance in this day in age. It's likely at the booth I'll chicken it n stick with red. xxx
Ask your mum how bankrupting the country helps the poor
Why this lot have bloody bankrupt the poor already....they stand a chance with labour.
Put your ideology away for two minutes and look at the state of the economy in 2010. The banking crisis wasn't labours fault but Keynesian econonics is about running surpluses in good times to fund stimulus in bad times. They didn't do that and that is their fault.
Name a country that did at that time....and had the tories been in it would have been the same result....open your blinkered eyes
I'm not saying the tories are an especially great party. Their election campaign is truly pathetic. I just hope the OP votes for anyone but labour because they are the only party hell bent on borrowing until we are bankrupt.
Obviously I don't agree with that statement on bankrupting the country.
I agree in the short term that they will borrow as all governments need to at this time.
But simply staying with the party that is screwing the poorest..vulnerable...all the services including education....needs to stop today! Hopefully people will agree.
Nothing screws the poor more than loading them and their children with a debt they can never afford to pay. How anyone can call themselves as socialist when we already spend ~3% of GDP on debt repayment is beyond my understanding of the term.
The looney right go mental over 0.7% of GDP on foreign aid but the looney left don't mind 3% to banks!!!
Like the university debt that they charge! Take that out of labours costings as they get nowhere near the amount they lend....but they chase the bloody poor for it for how many years?
I think you will find labours costings will add up in the long term. But us two are never going to agree eh
If you think they add up then you are predicting labour will achieve a tax to GDP ratio that has never been achieved in peacetime in this country. Since most people complain about the existing level of tax evasion with a tax to GDP ratio at 36%, i really wonder what makes you think it can go above 40% and actually be collected?
If HMRC see's an increase in funding then they will have the resources to root out any tax evaders. "Another myth. So when labour pledged to recover the tax gap in the 1997 manifesto and funded HMRC properly, why didn't the tax gap reduce? | |||
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"If you want the immigration floodgates to open.. Vote Labour If you want a blithering idiot in charge of fighting terrorism.. Vote Labour.
With respect...
You're talking bollocks.
Have you even bothered to read the Labour manifesto?
And can you substantiate your claim that he's a blithering idiot?
Of course I have read both manifestos, have you? If you had half a brain you'd know it's Dianne Abbott who would be home secretary fighting terrorism, she's the blithering idiot I was referring to.
I think you will find Diane Abbott is ill and has not been acting quite right due to this. But when you call her a idiot you do yourself and her a disservice. Just go and look at her wiki page on her achievements in her life!
She is far from a idiot believe me."Her behaviour is remakably consistent, thats sort of the problem with her. | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter"
Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
Although he voted remain "But did he? The reason why so many Labour MPs lost confidence in him is because many believe he voted leave. Jeremy has always been a committed BREXITer since long before any of us had even thought up the term BREXIT. His voting record on the EU is clear both before and after June 23. Jeremy is anti-EU, pro-BREXIT, always has been and always will be. That, and that alone, explains his whole approach to the Article 50 votes. | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter"
Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
Although he voted remain
But did he?
The reason why so many Labour MPs lost confidence in him is because many believe he voted leave.
Jeremy has always been a committed BREXITer since long before any of us had even thought up the term BREXIT. His voting record on the EU is clear both before and after June 23. Jeremy is anti-EU, pro-BREXIT, always has been and always will be. That, and that alone, explains his whole approach to the Article 50 votes."He was asked and he said he did. All his supporters keep saying hes a man who gives straight answers! | |||
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"If you want the immigration floodgates to open.. Vote Labour If you want a blithering idiot in charge of fighting terrorism.. Vote Labour.
With respect...
You're talking bollocks.
Have you even bothered to read the Labour manifesto?
And can you substantiate your claim that he's a blithering idiot?
Of course I have read both manifestos, have you? If you had half a brain you'd know it's Dianne Abbott who would be home secretary fighting terrorism, she's the blithering idiot I was referring to.
I think you will find Diane Abbott is ill and has not been acting quite right due to this. But when you call her a idiot you do yourself and her a disservice. Just go and look at her wiki page on her achievements in her life!
She is far from a idiot believe me."She was so ill she was photographed out and about 20mins prior to her cancelled interview. She was also Corbyns former lover,no nepotism there then. | |||
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"Well heres a question: Do you enjoy a free, open and anonymous internet? If you do then Labours the one to vote for. May is trying to stifle the internet and create files on every internet user because "terrorism". Never mind that the london attackers met in person at one of their flats and that previous attacks have been coordinated by sms text messages and not internet. Mays got a hard on for blocking adult sites and you can be sure this and anything else swinging related will be on that list. If poppers can be discussed and made legal in the house of commons ... I'll say sex will have a discussion, along with putting your dick in someone and viewing some flange. It'll be discussed but Mays set her stall out. First it was "wont you think of the children" with her porn filter, now its "terrorists even though they meet in person and have used texts". Her years long campaign to bring the internet under her control and create an internet registery with every persons history on there is something she will be pushing hard for in the next session. Shes said so herself. If you like a free open internet vote labour. If you want your entire internet history and all your accounts on record with tens of thousands of people, possibly including people you know, able to access it then vote conservative. Whilst I've always considered Ms May a bit too authoritarian for my own personal liking this would not be a major deciding factor in voting. The last labour government had some quite authoritarian policies to. Also there is quite a strong liberal as well as libertarian tradition in the Conservative party which, with the likes of David Davies, can normally reign in the authoritarians. It's right that we should look at how the internet is used for both termism, child abuse and other crimes and see if there is anything more that can he done to make us all safer. However some things, like end-to-end encryption, are here to stay and no laws or regulations can possibly stop them. Except May wants a backdoor into all services using end to end encryption because she doesnt understand technology. At the moment encryption is like having a 16 foot steel reenforced wall between the rest of the world and your data. She wants to put a door in there and thinks that as long as she has the only key its all fine. Apparently shes never heard of people breaking open a door or hackers. But shes technologically illiterate." The reality is is that no back door key is possible so she can want, ask, even legislate for one but she won't get one. End-to-end encryption is easy to implement on any communication and all most impossible to break. The keys are randomly generated often on a message by message. The only way around is to ban it and that won't happen because no one, especially the rich who people often claim the Tories only care about, want their financial transactions sent unencrypted over the internet. | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter"
Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
Although he voted remain
But did he?
The reason why so many Labour MPs lost confidence in him is because many believe he voted leave.
Jeremy has always been a committed BREXITer since long before any of us had even thought up the term BREXIT. His voting record on the EU is clear both before and after June 23. Jeremy is anti-EU, pro-BREXIT, always has been and always will be. That, and that alone, explains his whole approach to the Article 50 votes.
He was asked and he said he did. All his supporters keep saying hes a man who gives straight answers!"A lot of Jeremy's supporters think he's the new Messiah or the great saviour. I just think he's another populist bullshiter telling people what they want to hear in order to get their votes. No different to Berny Sanders, Donald Trump, Nigel Farage or Bojo. | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter"
Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
Although he voted remain
But did he?
The reason why so many Labour MPs lost confidence in him is because many believe he voted leave.
Jeremy has always been a committed BREXITer since long before any of us had even thought up the term BREXIT. His voting record on the EU is clear both before and after June 23. Jeremy is anti-EU, pro-BREXIT, always has been and always will be. That, and that alone, explains his whole approach to the Article 50 votes.
He was asked and he said he did. All his supporters keep saying hes a man who gives straight answers!
A lot of Jeremy's supporters think he's the new Messiah or the great saviour. I just think he's another populist bullshiter telling people what they want to hear in order to get their votes. No different to Berny Sanders, Donald Trump, Nigel Farage or Bojo."And in the morning they will see how representative their views of him are | |||
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"If you want the immigration floodgates to open.. Vote Labour If you want a blithering idiot in charge of fighting terrorism.. Vote Labour.
With respect...
You're talking bollocks.
Have you even bothered to read the Labour manifesto?
And can you substantiate your claim that he's a blithering idiot?
Of course I have read both manifestos, have you? If you had half a brain you'd know it's Dianne Abbott who would be home secretary fighting terrorism, she's the blithering idiot I was referring to.
I think you will find Diane Abbott is ill and has not been acting quite right due to this. But when you call her a idiot you do yourself and her a disservice. Just go and look at her wiki page on her achievements in her life!
She is far from a idiot believe me.
She was so ill she was photographed out and about 20mins prior to her cancelled interview. She was also Corbyns former lover,no nepotism there then. "It was the same when she caught Brexit flu, too ill to attend parliament to vote on triggering article 50 but she was photographed out and walking in a park drinking coffee. She is nothing more than a dim witted moron. | |||
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"If you want the immigration floodgates to open.. Vote Labour If you want a blithering idiot in charge of fighting terrorism.. Vote Labour.
With respect...
You're talking bollocks.
Have you even bothered to read the Labour manifesto?
And can you substantiate your claim that he's a blithering idiot?
Of course I have read both manifestos, have you? If you had half a brain you'd know it's Dianne Abbott who would be home secretary fighting terrorism, she's the blithering idiot I was referring to.
I think you will find Diane Abbott is ill and has not been acting quite right due to this. But when you call her a idiot you do yourself and her a disservice. Just go and look at her wiki page on her achievements in her life!
She is far from a idiot believe me.
She was so ill she was photographed out and about 20mins prior to her cancelled interview. She was also Corbyns former lover,no nepotism there then.
It was the same when she caught Brexit flu, too ill to attend parliament to vote on triggering article 50 but she was photographed out and walking in a park drinking coffee. She is nothing more than a dim witted moron. " | |||
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"If you want the immigration floodgates to open.. Vote Labour If you want a blithering idiot in charge of fighting terrorism.. Vote Labour.
With respect...
You're talking bollocks.
Have you even bothered to read the Labour manifesto?
And can you substantiate your claim that he's a blithering idiot? "You believe manifestos ??? | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter"
Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
Although he voted remain
But did he?
The reason why so many Labour MPs lost confidence in him is because many believe he voted leave.
Jeremy has always been a committed BREXITer since long before any of us had even thought up the term BREXIT. His voting record on the EU is clear both before and after June 23. Jeremy is anti-EU, pro-BREXIT, always has been and always will be. That, and that alone, explains his whole approach to the Article 50 votes.
He was asked and he said he did. All his supporters keep saying hes a man who gives straight answers!"That's the type of reply I expected from you! Did you do any research on wiki...I doubt it! If you had you would see she has come from a working class upbringing to go to Cambridge University....then to have a well established political career looking out for the vulnerable in society. And yes she sent her kids to public schools....wouldn't anyone want the best for their kids? But you go on spouting figures that your plucking of the net....thinking you look intelligent! But in all honesty just coming across as a self centred twat. | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter"
Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
Although he voted remain
But did he?
The reason why so many Labour MPs lost confidence in him is because many believe he voted leave.
Jeremy has always been a committed BREXITer since long before any of us had even thought up the term BREXIT. His voting record on the EU is clear both before and after June 23. Jeremy is anti-EU, pro-BREXIT, always has been and always will be. That, and that alone, explains his whole approach to the Article 50 votes.
He was asked and he said he did. All his supporters keep saying hes a man who gives straight answers!
That's the type of reply I expected from you! Did you do any research on wiki...I doubt it! If you had you would see she has come from a working class upbringing to go to Cambridge University....then to have a well established political career looking out for the vulnerable in society. And yes she sent her kids to public schools....wouldn't anyone want the best for their kids?
But you go on spouting figures that your plucking of the net....thinking you look intelligent! But in all honesty just coming across as a self centred twat."If you're talking about dianne abbott she's is a dangerous racist who defends genocidal dictators and attacks journalists because she can't add up | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter"
Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
Although he voted remain
But did he?
The reason why so many Labour MPs lost confidence in him is because many believe he voted leave.
Jeremy has always been a committed BREXITer since long before any of us had even thought up the term BREXIT. His voting record on the EU is clear both before and after June 23. Jeremy is anti-EU, pro-BREXIT, always has been and always will be. That, and that alone, explains his whole approach to the Article 50 votes.
He was asked and he said he did. All his supporters keep saying hes a man who gives straight answers!
That's the type of reply I expected from you! Did you do any research on wiki...I doubt it! If you had you would see she has come from a working class upbringing to go to Cambridge University....then to have a well established political career looking out for the vulnerable in society. And yes she sent her kids to public schools....wouldn't anyone want the best for their kids?
But you go on spouting figures that your plucking of the net....thinking you look intelligent! But in all honesty just coming across as a self centred twat.
If you're talking about dianne abbott she's is a dangerous racist who defends genocidal dictators and attacks journalists because she can't add up" | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter"
Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
Although he voted remain
But did he?
The reason why so many Labour MPs lost confidence in him is because many believe he voted leave.
Jeremy has always been a committed BREXITer since long before any of us had even thought up the term BREXIT. His voting record on the EU is clear both before and after June 23. Jeremy is anti-EU, pro-BREXIT, always has been and always will be. That, and that alone, explains his whole approach to the Article 50 votes.
He was asked and he said he did. All his supporters keep saying hes a man who gives straight answers!
That's the type of reply I expected from you! Did you do any research on wiki...I doubt it! If you had you would see she has come from a working class upbringing to go to Cambridge University....then to have a well established political career looking out for the vulnerable in society. And yes she sent her kids to public schools....wouldn't anyone want the best for their kids?
But you go on spouting figures that your plucking of the net....thinking you look intelligent! But in all honesty just coming across as a self centred twat.
If you're talking about dianne abbott she's is a dangerous racist who defends genocidal dictators and attacks journalists because she can't add up
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" I think you will find Diane Abbott is ill and has not been acting quite right due to this. But when you call her a idiot you do yourself and her a disservice. Just go and look at her wiki page on her achievements in her life! She is far from a idiot believe me." What achievements are you referring to? Ive looked at the wiki page...genuine question, not sniding. | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter"
Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
Although he voted remain
But did he?
The reason why so many Labour MPs lost confidence in him is because many believe he voted leave.
Jeremy has always been a committed BREXITer since long before any of us had even thought up the term BREXIT. His voting record on the EU is clear both before and after June 23. Jeremy is anti-EU, pro-BREXIT, always has been and always will be. That, and that alone, explains his whole approach to the Article 50 votes.
He was asked and he said he did. All his supporters keep saying hes a man who gives straight answers!
That's the type of reply I expected from you! Did you do any research on wiki...I doubt it! If you had you would see she has come from a working class upbringing to go to Cambridge University....then to have a well established political career looking out for the vulnerable in society. And yes she sent her kids to public schools....wouldn't anyone want the best for their kids?
But you go on spouting figures that your plucking of the net....thinking you look intelligent! But in all honesty just coming across as a self centred twat.
If you're talking about dianne abbott she's is a dangerous racist who defends genocidal dictators and attacks journalists because she can't add up
Anyone call see the truth for themself: https://youtu.be/dWk29MhTb-g"To be honest, having seen some of those clips in full in the past, that's a bit of a hatchet job on them and doesn't really show the comments made in their full context. That being said I personally find Thornberry one of the most annoying people in British politics. | |||
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"Red or Blue .. can't yet decide !! Anyone sway this "swing voter"
Did you vote for brexit or remain. That might help you? May was a remainer, Corbyn was a leaver.
Although he voted remain
But did he?
The reason why so many Labour MPs lost confidence in him is because many believe he voted leave.
Jeremy has always been a committed BREXITer since long before any of us had even thought up the term BREXIT. His voting record on the EU is clear both before and after June 23. Jeremy is anti-EU, pro-BREXIT, always has been and always will be. That, and that alone, explains his whole approach to the Article 50 votes.
He was asked and he said he did. All his supporters keep saying hes a man who gives straight answers!
That's the type of reply I expected from you! Did you do any research on wiki...I doubt it! If you had you would see she has come from a working class upbringing to go to Cambridge University....then to have a well established political career looking out for the vulnerable in society. And yes she sent her kids to public schools....wouldn't anyone want the best for their kids?
But you go on spouting figures that your plucking of the net....thinking you look intelligent! But in all honesty just coming across as a self centred twat.
If you're talking about dianne abbott she's is a dangerous racist who defends genocidal dictators and attacks journalists because she can't add up
Anyone call see the truth for themself: https://youtu.be/dWk29MhTb-g
To be honest, having seen some of those clips in full in the past, that's a bit of a hatchet job on them and doesn't really show the comments made in there full context.
That being said I personally find Thornberry one of the most annoying people in British politics.""It's taken out of context" is the default defence for the indefensible. Which of those clips do you think misrepresents what she said? If she was a white man and said those things about blacks or hitler then she wouldn't have been in the labour front bench. | |||
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"All of them have the potential to be dangerous Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. A. Lincoln May talking about human rights, Abbotts a racist Fabian, Corbyn is as close to a Marxist as we have seen in such a big position of late, he also wears corduroy without any regard to public safety! Beige ones! " Corbyn is a marxist, he said as much. You can see YouTube clips of would be chancellor John MacDonell saying "i am a marxist". A marxist chancellor is like putting lance armstrong in charge of drug testing at the next olympics. | |||
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"All of them have the potential to be dangerous Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. A. Lincoln May talking about human rights, Abbotts a racist Fabian, Corbyn is as close to a Marxist as we have seen in such a big position of late, he also wears corduroy without any regard to public safety! Beige ones! Corbyn is a marxist, he said as much. You can see YouTube clips of would be chancellor John MacDonell saying "i am a marxist". A marxist chancellor is like putting lance armstrong in charge of drug testing at the next olympics. " Marxist, socialist, whoever whatever. The system is broken and I does not matter who gets in. Theresa May is not perfect, she once ran through a farmers field! | |||
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"All of them have the potential to be dangerous Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. A. Lincoln May talking about human rights, Abbotts a racist Fabian, Corbyn is as close to a Marxist as we have seen in such a big position of late, he also wears corduroy without any regard to public safety! Beige ones! Corbyn is a marxist, he said as much. You can see YouTube clips of would be chancellor John MacDonell saying "i am a marxist". A marxist chancellor is like putting lance armstrong in charge of drug testing at the next olympics. Marxist, socialist, whoever whatever. The system is broken and I does not matter who gets in. Theresa May is not perfect, she once ran through a farmers field! " You don't need to tell me, her track record at the home office is pathetic. They ended up paying Raytheon £250m compensation for a contract they screwed up so badly. | |||
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"Procurement is an area that the government could save millions pos billions. Schools, Hospitals, MOD all pay a premium for.being government or their tender process is shocking. MOD used.to ship in/out officers to procurement every two years, why would they give a shit! " Her £250m was compensation for the screw ups of the home office though. It's one thing to pay over the odds, another to have a court prove your imcompetence and award those kind of damages. Thats over a third of the value of the original contract. Compensation on that scale is rare. | |||
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