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"have to say i have now gone from lib dem to "not sure"..... its not that the Lib dems have had a bad campaign at all... ( i think they have misjudged the "48%" thing, but other than not done anything catastophic)... i just think that labour have had a really good campaign..... my base line 6 weeks ago was " could i ever see myself voting for Corbyn".... like it was "could i see myself voting for Milliband" 2 years ago... and the answer was always no! now..... have to say... wavering.... I am going to read thru both manifeso's again tonight before making up my mind.... " I was exactly the same as you lib dems then greens But now have decided 100 labour Can't vote for the lying torries plus I'm not rich Plus I don't like her lying scheming cow I would so love to to this snap election back fire on them as they thought all along they would sway everyone into voting for them then they would be here to stay for years and years god help us if that happens | |||
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"Depends on your constituency. Google the tactical voting database thingy. It's very much a two horse race in general terms, but the first past the post system means that a vote for a Lib Dem in some constituencies would be the only viable way to remove the Tories. I tend to spoil ballots, but I shall be voting Labour this time. I started out curious as to why the media hate Corbyn so much and did my research, watching unedited speeches etc. I think he is just what we need. " I totally agree I feel the same | |||
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"have to say i have now gone from lib dem to "not sure"..... its not that the Lib dems have had a bad campaign at all... ( i think they have misjudged the "48%" thing, but other than not done anything catastophic)... i just think that labour have had a really good campaign..... my base line 6 weeks ago was " could i ever see myself voting for Corbyn".... like it was "could i see myself voting for Milliband" 2 years ago... and the answer was always no! now..... have to say... wavering.... I am going to read thru both manifeso's again tonight before making up my mind.... " I always ignore the manifestos and any promises made during the campaign. The discussions on TV are irrelevant to me . My decision is made on past performance of each party .Get it wrong and they might lose my support . I knew what party I was going to vote for on the day that the election was announced. All the manifestos and discussions were irrelevant to me . Some of the uncosted promises in the manifestos were nothing short of laughable. | |||
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"I'm same still not a 100percent sure always been labour but can't back corbyn leaning towards May to get on with brexit then wen labour get rid of the clowns il swich back PRIOBS " 
I've been voting ukip in pretty much every election going for the last 10 years but this time it's got to be Theresa May and the Conservatives. If you really care about Brexit then Conservative is the only real option at this election. Ukip are not standing in many seats to help Consolidate the Tory vote. The only seat I would vote ukip in is South Thanet where the cheat Craig Mackinlay needs kicking out. | |||
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"have to say i have now gone from lib dem to "not sure"..... its not that the Lib dems have had a bad campaign at all... ( i think they have misjudged the "48%" thing, but other than not done anything catastophic)... i just think that labour have had a really good campaign..... my base line 6 weeks ago was " could i ever see myself voting for Corbyn".... like it was "could i see myself voting for Milliband" 2 years ago... and the answer was always no! now..... have to say... wavering.... I am going to read thru both manifeso's again tonight before making up my mind.... I always ignore the manifestos and any promises made during the campaign. The discussions on TV are irrelevant to me . My decision is made on past performance of each party .Get it wrong and they might lose my support . I knew what party I was going to vote for on the day that the election was announced. All the manifestos and discussions were irrelevant to me . Some of the uncosted promises in the manifestos were nothing short of laughable. " I'm the same | |||
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"I knew the moment it was called who I will be voting for. For the first time ever I will be ticking the LibDem box. Also for the first time ever my decision will be decided by a single issue. Brexit." I really want to vote lib dem too but my constituency is a two horse race, fairly tight. Corbyn would be an economic crisis so i may have to vote tactically for conservative even though they've run the worst campaign I've ever seen. | |||
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" Tories are using Brexit as a distraction, they'll cut back even more if they get in. " yep ... and the alt-reich lot from britannic state are lapping it up | |||
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"I voted Labour in '97. I'll never repeat that mistake again. The Conservatives have my vote, even though I cannot stand my local Conservative MP" So you've not bothered to read any of the manifestos this time around then? -Matt | |||
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"I voted Labour in '97. I'll never repeat that mistake again. The Conservatives have my vote, even though I cannot stand my local Conservative MP So you've not bothered to read any of the manifestos this time around then? -Matt" Whats wrong with 1997? Labour did pretty well in the first term. Second and third are where is go iffy. Kind of like a film where the sequel wasn't as good as the original and the third was a spin off without most the original cast. | |||
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"I voted Labour in '97. I'll never repeat that mistake again. The Conservatives have my vote, even though I cannot stand my local Conservative MP So you've not bothered to read any of the manifestos this time around then? -Matt" Nope. The way I see it you have 2 choices Labour or Conservative. To give some background, I was bought up in a poor family on a South London council estate. Socialist punish success and would rob me of everything I have worked fucking hard to achieve and get. Simplistically, I see Conservatives as a party for makers. Labour a party for takers. Manifestos are irrelevant as no party follows them. | |||
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"I voted Labour in '97. I'll never repeat that mistake again. The Conservatives have my vote, even though I cannot stand my local Conservative MP So you've not bothered to read any of the manifestos this time around then? -Matt Nope. The way I see it you have 2 choices Labour or Conservative. To give some background, I was bought up in a poor family on a South London council estate. Socialist punish success and would rob me of everything I have worked fucking hard to achieve and get. Simplistically, I see Conservatives as a party for makers. Labour a party for takers. Manifestos are irrelevant as no party follows them. " This time it's worse, corbyn will bankrupt you and your kids! High tax is one thing but spending more on annual debt interest than education should be eye watering even to socialists | |||
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"TM's U-Turns... Tories brexit/NHS lies... TM's opportunism... TM evidently unable to debate... NHS again!!!... TM's cult of personality... Cuts... UKIPpers voting conservative... Hate crimes promoted by the Tory media before and after brexit campaign... More lies... Wanna have more years of that? Voting Tories at this point is masochistic... Your choice." What's wrong with a U-turn? Do you prefer blind dictatorship? | |||
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"TM's U-Turns... Tories brexit/NHS lies... TM's opportunism... TM evidently unable to debate... NHS again!!!... TM's cult of personality... Cuts... UKIPpers voting conservative... Hate crimes promoted by the Tory media before and after brexit campaign... More lies... Wanna have more years of that? Voting Tories at this point is masochistic... Your choice. What's wrong with a U-turn? Do you prefer blind dictatorship? " If you are into S&M, that's fine... Hate crimes... A more racist Britain... Your choice. | |||
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"TM's U-Turns... Tories brexit/NHS lies... TM's opportunism... TM evidently unable to debate... NHS again!!!... TM's cult of personality... Cuts... UKIPpers voting conservative... Hate crimes promoted by the Tory media before and after brexit campaign... More lies... Wanna have more years of that? Voting Tories at this point is masochistic... Your choice. What's wrong with a U-turn? Do you prefer blind dictatorship? If you are into S&M, that's fine... Hate crimes... A more racist Britain... Your choice." Agree agree agree agree | |||
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"I voted Labour in '97. I'll never repeat that mistake again. The Conservatives have my vote, even though I cannot stand my local Conservative MP So you've not bothered to read any of the manifestos this time around then? -Matt Nope. The way I see it you have 2 choices Labour or Conservative. To give some background, I was bought up in a poor family on a South London council estate. Socialist punish success and would rob me of everything I have worked fucking hard to achieve and get. Simplistically, I see Conservatives as a party for makers. Labour a party for takers. Manifestos are irrelevant as no party follows them. " Fair enough. Good luck to you. I hope you make enough as a 'maker' to afford your own private medics, fire crew, and security. There is a reason the NHS, Fire service, and Police are all not supporting the Conservatives. I worked hard, and would also consider myself a maker. I had the privilege of growing up with good health, travelling the world, and with access to good education. Unfortunately not everyone has the same privilege. I don't see it as 'punishing success'. I see it as trying to improve society as a whole by reducing or stopping the rate at which inequality grows. But I know everyone sees things differently. Luckily we live in a democracy (as corrupt as it is). -Matt | |||
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"I voted Labour in '97. I'll never repeat that mistake again. The Conservatives have my vote, even though I cannot stand my local Conservative MP So you've not bothered to read any of the manifestos this time around then? -Matt Nope. The way I see it you have 2 choices Labour or Conservative. To give some background, I was bought up in a poor family on a South London council estate. Socialist punish success and would rob me of everything I have worked fucking hard to achieve and get. Simplistically, I see Conservatives as a party for makers. Labour a party for takers. Manifestos are irrelevant as no party follows them. Fair enough. Good luck to you. I hope you make enough as a 'maker' to afford your own private medics, fire crew, and security. There is a reason the NHS, Fire service, and Police are all not supporting the Conservatives. I worked hard, and would also consider myself a maker. I had the privilege of growing up with good health, travelling the world, and with access to good education. Unfortunately not everyone has the same privilege. I don't see it as 'punishing success'. I see it as trying to improve society as a whole by reducing or stopping the rate at which inequality grows. But I know everyone sees things differently. Luckily we live in a democracy (as corrupt as it is). -Matt" If you're being honest there will never be enough money for the NHS. I believe corbyn could temporarily improve it by throwing money at the problem but it's a fundamentally broken model. | |||
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"anything is better than the tories, with May at least she looks as evil as she is or next in line Bojo yeah we can all laugh at his xenophobia, and buffooness we'll have our own british aristricrat trump. what a tv show that would be who needs entertaining when you get these clowns in charge of democracy. its like some 80s nerd movie coming to life. " You can be xenophobic and have a good economy (Japan). I'd rather that to the greek 'economy' that Corbyn will create. | |||
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" This time it's worse, corbyn will bankrupt you and your kids! High tax is one thing but spending more on annual debt interest than education should be eye watering even to socialists" 3 things i will say about what you just wrote... all of them come from the IFS... just so you know it is independent... 1) the annual debt will rise NO MATTER what party you end up voting for.... 2) since you mentioned Education... the Conservatives are the only party that will actually end up Cutting spending per pupil under their plans (6.9% by the way!... as a comparison... it remains where it is under the lib dems... and increases by 3% under labour) 3) under all of the tax plans released by all of the parties... tax actually goes up for everyone.... with the exception of the conservatives, where the richest people actually end up getting about a 2% tax cut...... see.... i can say this because i know the conservatives are NOT the party i will end up voting for... it will either be lib dem or labour.... the conservatives made this all about one issue... brexit..... we had that vote last year!!!! now it should be about the NHS, and Education, and Policing, and Social Care ect ect ect.... | |||
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" This time it's worse, corbyn will bankrupt you and your kids! High tax is one thing but spending more on annual debt interest than education should be eye watering even to socialists 3 things i will say about what you just wrote... all of them come from the IFS... just so you know it is independent... 1) the annual debt will rise NO MATTER what party you end up voting for.... 2) since you mentioned Education... the Conservatives are the only party that will actually end up Cutting spending per pupil under their plans (6.9% by the way!... as a comparison... it remains where it is under the lib dems... and increases by 3% under labour) 3) under all of the tax plans released by all of the parties... tax actually goes up for everyone.... with the exception of the conservatives, where the richest people actually end up getting about a 2% tax cut...... see.... i can say this because i know the conservatives are NOT the party i will end up voting for... it will either be lib dem or labour.... the conservatives made this all about one issue... brexit..... we had that vote last year!!!! now it should be about the NHS, and Education, and Policing, and Social Care ect ect ect...." But #1 the debt will go up significantly more with Corbyn and we are at the tipping point of no return with our interest repayments. | |||
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" This time it's worse, corbyn will bankrupt you and your kids! High tax is one thing but spending more on annual debt interest than education should be eye watering even to socialists 3 things i will say about what you just wrote... all of them come from the IFS... just so you know it is independent... 1) the annual debt will rise NO MATTER what party you end up voting for.... 2) since you mentioned Education... the Conservatives are the only party that will actually end up Cutting spending per pupil under their plans (6.9% by the way!... as a comparison... it remains where it is under the lib dems... and increases by 3% under labour) 3) under all of the tax plans released by all of the parties... tax actually goes up for everyone.... with the exception of the conservatives, where the richest people actually end up getting about a 2% tax cut...... see.... i can say this because i know the conservatives are NOT the party i will end up voting for... it will either be lib dem or labour.... the conservatives made this all about one issue... brexit..... we had that vote last year!!!! now it should be about the NHS, and Education, and Policing, and Social Care ect ect ect.... But #1 the debt will go up significantly more with Corbyn and we are at the tipping point of no return with our interest repayments." Get in the real world man we're fucked under the tories if you have money then stay with them but if not get out NOW | |||
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"anything is better than the tories, with May at least she looks as evil as she is or next in line Bojo yeah we can all laugh at his xenophobia, and buffooness we'll have our own british aristricrat trump. what a tv show that would be who needs entertaining when you get these clowns in charge of democracy. its like some 80s nerd movie coming to life. You can be xenophobic and have a good economy (Japan). I'd rather that to the greek 'economy' that Corbyn will create. " Japan?... with a debt of 230% GDP?... Stagnant economy plus deflation?.............. People unable to afford a place to live?... Interesting definition of a "good economy"... | |||
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" Fair enough. Good luck to you. I hope you make enough as a 'maker' to afford your own private medics, fire crew, and security. There is a reason the NHS, Fire service, and Police are all not supporting the Conservatives. I worked hard, and would also consider myself a maker. I had the privilege of growing up with good health, travelling the world, and with access to good education. Unfortunately not everyone has the same privilege. I don't see it as 'punishing success'. I see it as trying to improve society as a whole by reducing or stopping the rate at which inequality grows. But I know everyone sees things differently. Luckily we live in a democracy (as corrupt as it is). -Matt" Have you ever not got emergency care, ever had the fire brigade not turn up etc. Your claim that none of the above are voting tory is the same as saying all the young voted remain and it was old thick racists that voted leave. K has worked nhs all her life and two of my customers are/were police and both staunch tory so its just more fake news. | |||
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" This time it's worse, corbyn will bankrupt you and your kids! High tax is one thing but spending more on annual debt interest than education should be eye watering even to socialists 3 things i will say about what you just wrote... all of them come from the IFS... just so you know it is independent... 1) the annual debt will rise NO MATTER what party you end up voting for.... 2) since you mentioned Education... the Conservatives are the only party that will actually end up Cutting spending per pupil under their plans (6.9% by the way!... as a comparison... it remains where it is under the lib dems... and increases by 3% under labour) 3) under all of the tax plans released by all of the parties... tax actually goes up for everyone.... with the exception of the conservatives, where the richest people actually end up getting about a 2% tax cut...... see.... i can say this because i know the conservatives are NOT the party i will end up voting for... it will either be lib dem or labour.... the conservatives made this all about one issue... brexit..... we had that vote last year!!!! now it should be about the NHS, and Education, and Policing, and Social Care ect ect ect.... But #1 the debt will go up significantly more with Corbyn and we are at the tipping point of no return with our interest repayments." age wise i am 10 years older than you both..... i was lucky that i was one of the last people to get to go to university without tuition fees..... if they had been around at the time i was making that decision i doubt i would have gone.... i always said my sister is smarter and brighter than me... 5 years younger than me... tuition fees made a part in her decision not to go on to university maybe it is me, but i don't begrudge those in front of me getting things that i didn't get.... but i don't believe that those people behind me (and please don't give me the well the debt is affordable speel) shouldn't get the same oppotunities that i got.... i don't believe anyone should be debt ladened for wanting to better themselves and go to uni... | |||
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" This time it's worse, corbyn will bankrupt you and your kids! High tax is one thing but spending more on annual debt interest than education should be eye watering even to socialists 3 things i will say about what you just wrote... all of them come from the IFS... just so you know it is independent... 1) the annual debt will rise NO MATTER what party you end up voting for.... 2) since you mentioned Education... the Conservatives are the only party that will actually end up Cutting spending per pupil under their plans (6.9% by the way!... as a comparison... it remains where it is under the lib dems... and increases by 3% under labour) 3) under all of the tax plans released by all of the parties... tax actually goes up for everyone.... with the exception of the conservatives, where the richest people actually end up getting about a 2% tax cut...... see.... i can say this because i know the conservatives are NOT the party i will end up voting for... it will either be lib dem or labour.... the conservatives made this all about one issue... brexit..... we had that vote last year!!!! now it should be about the NHS, and Education, and Policing, and Social Care ect ect ect.... But #1 the debt will go up significantly more with Corbyn and we are at the tipping point of no return with our interest repayments. Get in the real world man we're fucked under the tories if you have money then stay with them but if not get out NOW " How much do we spend on debt interest in the real world? | |||
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"anything is better than the tories, with May at least she looks as evil as she is or next in line Bojo yeah we can all laugh at his xenophobia, and buffooness we'll have our own british aristricrat trump. what a tv show that would be who needs entertaining when you get these clowns in charge of democracy. its like some 80s nerd movie coming to life. You can be xenophobic and have a good economy (Japan). I'd rather that to the greek 'economy' that Corbyn will create. Japan?... with a debt of 230% GDP?... Stagnant economy plus deflation?.............. People unable to afford a place to live?... Interesting definition of a "good economy"... " Declining population accounts for most of that. Living standards there are very good. | |||
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" This time it's worse, corbyn will bankrupt you and your kids! High tax is one thing but spending more on annual debt interest than education should be eye watering even to socialists 3 things i will say about what you just wrote... all of them come from the IFS... just so you know it is independent... 1) the annual debt will rise NO MATTER what party you end up voting for.... 2) since you mentioned Education... the Conservatives are the only party that will actually end up Cutting spending per pupil under their plans (6.9% by the way!... as a comparison... it remains where it is under the lib dems... and increases by 3% under labour) 3) under all of the tax plans released by all of the parties... tax actually goes up for everyone.... with the exception of the conservatives, where the richest people actually end up getting about a 2% tax cut...... see.... i can say this because i know the conservatives are NOT the party i will end up voting for... it will either be lib dem or labour.... the conservatives made this all about one issue... brexit..... we had that vote last year!!!! now it should be about the NHS, and Education, and Policing, and Social Care ect ect ect.... But #1 the debt will go up significantly more with Corbyn and we are at the tipping point of no return with our interest repayments. age wise i am 10 years older than you both..... i was lucky that i was one of the last people to get to go to university without tuition fees..... if they had been around at the time i was making that decision i doubt i would have gone.... i always said my sister is smarter and brighter than me... 5 years younger than me... tuition fees made a part in her decision not to go on to university maybe it is me, but i don't begrudge those in front of me getting things that i didn't get.... but i don't believe that those people behind me (and please don't give me the well the debt is affordable speel) shouldn't get the same oppotunities that i got.... i don't believe anyone should be debt ladened for wanting to better themselves and go to uni... " In my opinion, the target to get 50% of school leavers to uni now means that a very large percentage study subjects that offer no real value to the wider economy and therefore should not be subsidised by it. | |||
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" Fair enough. Good luck to you. I hope you make enough as a 'maker' to afford your own private medics, fire crew, and security. There is a reason the NHS, Fire service, and Police are all not supporting the Conservatives. I worked hard, and would also consider myself a maker. I had the privilege of growing up with good health, travelling the world, and with access to good education. Unfortunately not everyone has the same privilege. I don't see it as 'punishing success'. I see it as trying to improve society as a whole by reducing or stopping the rate at which inequality grows. But I know everyone sees things differently. Luckily we live in a democracy (as corrupt as it is). -Matt Have you ever not got emergency care, ever had the fire brigade not turn up etc. Your claim that none of the above are voting tory is the same as saying all the young voted remain and it was old thick racists that voted leave. K has worked nhs all her life and two of my customers are/were police and both staunch tory so its just more fake news. " Yes, I'm sure there are exceptions. Like the 'ordinary person' in a cafe, Gordon, that the BBC interviewed who said he was voting Tory for the NHS, then later on he was interviewed as an 'impartial voice' of the NHS... Dr Gordon Maclellan, despite being an ex-tory councillor, millionaire, property developer, orthopaedic surgeon who has worked for Nuffield Health for 33 years! You can drop the 'thick, racist bit'. But all the evidence does point towards the young voting overwhelmingly for remain and the old for leave. Similarly the young are voting overwhelmingly for Labour and the old for Conservative. As you are both in your fifties, the fact you are remain voting conservatives means you fit the model exactly. -Matt | |||
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" This time it's worse, corbyn will bankrupt you and your kids! High tax is one thing but spending more on annual debt interest than education should be eye watering even to socialists 3 things i will say about what you just wrote... all of them come from the IFS... just so you know it is independent... 1) the annual debt will rise NO MATTER what party you end up voting for.... 2) since you mentioned Education... the Conservatives are the only party that will actually end up Cutting spending per pupil under their plans (6.9% by the way!... as a comparison... it remains where it is under the lib dems... and increases by 3% under labour) 3) under all of the tax plans released by all of the parties... tax actually goes up for everyone.... with the exception of the conservatives, where the richest people actually end up getting about a 2% tax cut...... see.... i can say this because i know the conservatives are NOT the party i will end up voting for... it will either be lib dem or labour.... the conservatives made this all about one issue... brexit..... we had that vote last year!!!! now it should be about the NHS, and Education, and Policing, and Social Care ect ect ect.... But #1 the debt will go up significantly more with Corbyn and we are at the tipping point of no return with our interest repayments. age wise i am 10 years older than you both..... i was lucky that i was one of the last people to get to go to university without tuition fees..... if they had been around at the time i was making that decision i doubt i would have gone.... i always said my sister is smarter and brighter than me... 5 years younger than me... tuition fees made a part in her decision not to go on to university maybe it is me, but i don't begrudge those in front of me getting things that i didn't get.... but i don't believe that those people behind me (and please don't give me the well the debt is affordable speel) shouldn't get the same oppotunities that i got.... i don't believe anyone should be debt ladened for wanting to better themselves and go to uni... " I thought uni was for highly intelligent people to study for top jobs that boost the businesses they work for and invent the future, but it appears that you accept that the not so brilliant can go, what for ? You only pay the fees back when you earn above a certain amount so if you earn high salaries you pay if you dont then it gets written off, surely thats good socialist thinking the rich pay the poor dont | |||
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"TM's U-Turns... Tories brexit/NHS lies... TM's opportunism... TM evidently unable to debate... NHS again!!!... TM's cult of personality... Cuts... UKIPpers voting conservative... Hate crimes promoted by the Tory media before and after brexit campaign... More lies... Wanna have more years of that? Voting Tories at this point is masochistic... Your choice. What's wrong with a U-turn? Do you prefer blind dictatorship? If you are into S&M, that's fine... Hate crimes... A more racist Britain... Your choice. Agree agree agree agree " | |||
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"anything is better than the tories, with May at least she looks as evil as she is or next in line Bojo yeah we can all laugh at his xenophobia, and buffooness we'll have our own british aristricrat trump. what a tv show that would be who needs entertaining when you get these clowns in charge of democracy. its like some 80s nerd movie coming to life. You can be xenophobic and have a good economy (Japan). I'd rather that to the greek 'economy' that Corbyn will create. Japan?... with a debt of 230% GDP?... Stagnant economy plus deflation?.............. People unable to afford a place to live?... Interesting definition of a "good economy"... Declining population accounts for most of that. Living standards there are very good. " "a good economy"...  | |||
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" I thought uni was for highly intelligent people to study for top jobs that boost the businesses they work for and invent the future, but it appears that you accept that the not so brilliant can go, what for ? You only pay the fees back when you earn above a certain amount so if you earn high salaries you pay if you dont then it gets written off, surely thats good socialist thinking the rich pay the poor dont " well i am a civil servant working on how we can pay and improve the amount of pension you will be entitled to in about 15 years time.... so i your attitude would "loosen" a bit as there are a lot of the civil service like me 
you are right by the way... not all of the young people voted to remain.... only about 75% of those who were under 30 did!!!
but as with every bloody conservation in the last 7 weeks... a tory manages to bring back to brexit...
just loose the bloody script......
lets see you support their policy on education, on policing, on the nhs, on social care.....
just for once.....
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"anything is better than the tories, with May at least she looks as evil as she is or next in line Bojo yeah we can all laugh at his xenophobia, and buffooness we'll have our own british aristricrat trump. what a tv show that would be who needs entertaining when you get these clowns in charge of democracy. its like some 80s nerd movie coming to life. You can be xenophobic and have a good economy (Japan). I'd rather that to the greek 'economy' that Corbyn will create. Japan?... with a debt of 230% GDP?... Stagnant economy plus deflation?.............. People unable to afford a place to live?... Interesting definition of a "good economy"... Declining population accounts for most of that. Living standards there are very good. "a good economy"... "Name three countries with a GDP over $1 trillion that have a "good economy"? Good luck with that... | |||
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"anything is better than the tories, with May at least she looks as evil as she is or next in line Bojo yeah we can all laugh at his xenophobia, and buffooness we'll have our own british aristricrat trump. what a tv show that would be who needs entertaining when you get these clowns in charge of democracy. its like some 80s nerd movie coming to life. You can be xenophobic and have a good economy (Japan). I'd rather that to the greek 'economy' that Corbyn will create. Japan?... with a debt of 230% GDP?... Stagnant economy plus deflation?.............. People unable to afford a place to live?... Interesting definition of a "good economy"... Declining population accounts for most of that. Living standards there are very good. "a good economy"...
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"anything is better than the tories, with May at least she looks as evil as she is or next in line Bojo yeah we can all laugh at his xenophobia, and buffooness we'll have our own british aristricrat trump. what a tv show that would be who needs entertaining when you get these clowns in charge of democracy. its like some 80s nerd movie coming to life. You can be xenophobic and have a good economy (Japan). I'd rather that to the greek 'economy' that Corbyn will create. Japan?... with a debt of 230% GDP?... Stagnant economy plus deflation?.............. People unable to afford a place to live?... Interesting definition of a "good economy"... Declining population accounts for most of that. Living standards there are very good. "a good economy"...
Name three countries with a GDP over $1 trillion that have a "good economy"? Good luck with that...
"a good economy"... I rest my case."Its a relative term and you just exposed the flaw in your arguement. | |||
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"anything is better than the tories, with May at least she looks as evil as she is or next in line Bojo yeah we can all laugh at his xenophobia, and buffooness we'll have our own british aristricrat trump. what a tv show that would be who needs entertaining when you get these clowns in charge of democracy. its like some 80s nerd movie coming to life. You can be xenophobic and have a good economy (Japan). I'd rather that to the greek 'economy' that Corbyn will create. Japan?... with a debt of 230% GDP?... Stagnant economy plus deflation?.............. People unable to afford a place to live?... Interesting definition of a "good economy"... Declining population accounts for most of that. Living standards there are very good. "a good economy"...
Name three countries with a GDP over $1 trillion that have a "good economy"? Good luck with that...
"a good economy"... I rest my case.
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" I thought uni was for highly intelligent people to study for top jobs that boost the businesses they work for and invent the future, but it appears that you accept that the not so brilliant can go, what for ? You only pay the fees back when you earn above a certain amount so if you earn high salaries you pay if you dont then it gets written off, surely thats good socialist thinking the rich pay the poor dont well i am a civil servant working on how we can pay and improve the amount of pension you will be entitled to in about 15 years time.... so i your attitude would "loosen" a bit as there are a lot of the civil service like me
you are right by the way... not all of the young people voted to remain.... only about 75% of those who were under 30 did!!!
but as with every bloody conservation in the last 7 weeks... a tory manages to bring back to brexit...
just loose the bloody script......
lets see you support their policy on education, on policing, on the nhs, on social care.....
just for once.....
but i bet you don't............"Education. let those who are better at academic learning go that way and those who show physical skills go that way instead of forcing all do both,many of whom will hate one or the other. Used to be called grammar schools and not grammer schools as lots of those who went to comprehensive schools spell it 
. Police get them doing the job not filling in endless bits of paper, let civilians do that.spend more on spooks to deter the modern threats we face.
NHS Easy bring it into the modern world . We need a national debate about how we fund care and stop using it as a political football.Ask those that work in it and they will say it cant carry on as it is now
Social care, those that can afford to pay for it should do, surely thats a socialist view, as for labour complaining about the winter fuel allowance being means tested FFS why should multi millionaires get it.
I certainly dont agree with everything they say or do but having a loonatic like mcdonnell in charge is truely frightening,ken livinstone sacked because he was totally useless and he had to pay his tory opponent for libel.
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"have to say i have now gone from lib dem to "not sure"..... its not that the Lib dems have had a bad campaign at all... ( i think they have misjudged the "48%" thing, but other than not done anything catastophic)... i just think that labour have had a really good campaign..... my base line 6 weeks ago was " could i ever see myself voting for Corbyn".... like it was "could i see myself voting for Milliband" 2 years ago... and the answer was always no! now..... have to say... wavering.... I am going to read thru both manifeso's again tonight before making up my mind.... " My above reply is answering this but I did press quote when replying. Oh yes my vote was postal and done over a week ago | |||
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"Simple Labour .... I like Mrs May but I don't know if she wants the job anymore she just seems to relaxed . Corbyn wheather you like him or not he fights for what he believes in and does not budge so I like that attribute. " It's only a desirable trait in people that believe in things fundamentally good. Some famous dictators had a lot of conviction in their beliefs... | |||
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" This time it's worse, corbyn will bankrupt you and your kids! High tax is one thing but spending more on annual debt interest than education should be eye watering even to socialists 3 things i will say about what you just wrote... all of them come from the IFS... just so you know it is independent... 1) the annual debt will rise NO MATTER what party you end up voting for.... 2) since you mentioned Education... the Conservatives are the only party that will actually end up Cutting spending per pupil under their plans (6.9% by the way!... as a comparison... it remains where it is under the lib dems... and increases by 3% under labour) 3) under all of the tax plans released by all of the parties... tax actually goes up for everyone.... with the exception of the conservatives, where the richest people actually end up getting about a 2% tax cut...... see.... i can say this because i know the conservatives are NOT the party i will end up voting for... it will either be lib dem or labour.... the conservatives made this all about one issue... brexit..... we had that vote last year!!!! now it should be about the NHS, and Education, and Policing, and Social Care ect ect ect...." If this is true why is JC saying 95% of the people will not pay anymore tax? Is he not telling the truth? | |||
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"I voted Labour in '97. I'll never repeat that mistake again. The Conservatives have my vote, even though I cannot stand my local Conservative MP So you've not bothered to read any of the manifestos this time around then? -Matt Whats wrong with 1997? Labour did pretty well in the first term. Second and third are where is go iffy. Kind of like a film where the sequel wasn't as good as the original and the third was a spin off without most the original cast. " Look back at 1997. All the economic indicators and factors were in the right direction. Inlflation dropping like a stone, unemployment falling, growth rising. Blairs first government promised to, and did, stick to the Tories spending plans. That was why it was such a success. The second and third terms they went their own way and things went tits up. However the choice is not the same now. Both parties are very different to what they were then! | |||
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" I thought uni was for highly intelligent people to study for top jobs that boost the businesses they work for and invent the future, but it appears that you accept that the not so brilliant can go, what for ? You only pay the fees back when you earn above a certain amount so if you earn high salaries you pay if you dont then it gets written off, surely thats good socialist thinking the rich pay the poor dont well i am a civil servant working on how we can pay and improve the amount of pension you will be entitled to in about 15 years time.... so i your attitude would "loosen" a bit as there are a lot of the civil service like me
you are right by the way... not all of the young people voted to remain.... only about 75% of those who were under 30 did!!!
but as with every bloody conservation in the last 7 weeks... a tory manages to bring back to brexit...
just loose the bloody script......
lets see you support their policy on education, on policing, on the nhs, on social care.....
just for once.....
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" This time it's worse, corbyn will bankrupt you and your kids! High tax is one thing but spending more on annual debt interest than education should be eye watering even to socialists 3 things i will say about what you just wrote... all of them come from the IFS... just so you know it is independent... 1) the annual debt will rise NO MATTER what party you end up voting for.... 2) since you mentioned Education... the Conservatives are the only party that will actually end up Cutting spending per pupil under their plans (6.9% by the way!... as a comparison... it remains where it is under the lib dems... and increases by 3% under labour) 3) under all of the tax plans released by all of the parties... tax actually goes up for everyone.... with the exception of the conservatives, where the richest people actually end up getting about a 2% tax cut...... see.... i can say this because i know the conservatives are NOT the party i will end up voting for... it will either be lib dem or labour.... the conservatives made this all about one issue... brexit..... we had that vote last year!!!! now it should be about the NHS, and Education, and Policing, and Social Care ect ect ect.... If this is true why is JC saying 95% of the people will not pay anymore tax? Is he not telling the truth?" Well debt is a tax, It's just a tax on your future earnings and your childrens future earnings as opposed to this years. | |||
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" This time it's worse, corbyn will bankrupt you and your kids! High tax is one thing but spending more on annual debt interest than education should be eye watering even to socialists 3 things i will say about what you just wrote... all of them come from the IFS... just so you know it is independent... 1) the annual debt will rise NO MATTER what party you end up voting for.... 2) since you mentioned Education... the Conservatives are the only party that will actually end up Cutting spending per pupil under their plans (6.9% by the way!... as a comparison... it remains where it is under the lib dems... and increases by 3% under labour) 3) under all of the tax plans released by all of the parties... tax actually goes up for everyone.... with the exception of the conservatives, where the richest people actually end up getting about a 2% tax cut...... see.... i can say this because i know the conservatives are NOT the party i will end up voting for... it will either be lib dem or labour.... the conservatives made this all about one issue... brexit..... we had that vote last year!!!! now it should be about the NHS, and Education, and Policing, and Social Care ect ect ect.... If this is true why is JC saying 95% of the people will not pay anymore tax? Is he not telling the truth?" Of course he isn't. When the tax raised from the corporations and the 5% doesn't come anywhere near the cost of his spending plans then he will have to tax the low paid more. It aint rocket science. | |||
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" This time it's worse, corbyn will bankrupt you and your kids! High tax is one thing but spending more on annual debt interest than education should be eye watering even to socialists 3 things i will say about what you just wrote... all of them come from the IFS... just so you know it is independent... 1) the annual debt will rise NO MATTER what party you end up voting for.... 2) since you mentioned Education... the Conservatives are the only party that will actually end up Cutting spending per pupil under their plans (6.9% by the way!... as a comparison... it remains where it is under the lib dems... and increases by 3% under labour) 3) under all of the tax plans released by all of the parties... tax actually goes up for everyone.... with the exception of the conservatives, where the richest people actually end up getting about a 2% tax cut...... see.... i can say this because i know the conservatives are NOT the party i will end up voting for... it will either be lib dem or labour.... the conservatives made this all about one issue... brexit..... we had that vote last year!!!! now it should be about the NHS, and Education, and Policing, and Social Care ect ect ect.... If this is true why is JC saying 95% of the people will not pay anymore tax? Is he not telling the truth? Of course he isn't. When the tax raised from the corporations and the 5% doesn't come anywhere near the cost of his spending plans then he will have to tax the low paid more. It aint rocket science. " Everyone pays for the corporation tax anyway, its not like tesco are going to say "oh well we'll just make lower profits now" - prices go up | |||
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"anything is better than the tories, with May at least she looks as evil as she is or next in line Bojo yeah we can all laugh at his xenophobia, and buffooness we'll have our own british aristricrat trump. what a tv show that would be who needs entertaining when you get these clowns in charge of democracy. its like some 80s nerd movie coming to life. You can be xenophobic and have a good economy (Japan). I'd rather that to the greek 'economy' that Corbyn will create. " Greece is a walk in the park compared to what Corbyn wants. Corbyn wants Britain to be the new Venezuela. Just look at what hard left socialism has done to that country, no food on the shelves in supermarkets, people scraping around in bins for food and riots on the streets where people now regularly get killed in government protests. | |||
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"TM's U-Turns... Tories brexit/NHS lies... TM's opportunism... TM evidently unable to debate... NHS again!!!... TM's cult of personality... Cuts... UKIPpers voting conservative... Hate crimes promoted by the Tory media before and after brexit campaign... More lies... Wanna have more years of that? Voting Tories at this point is masochistic... Your choice. What's wrong with a U-turn? Do you prefer blind dictatorship? If you are into S&M, that's fine... Hate crimes... A more racist Britain... Your choice. Yeah if you want hate crimes against Jews and citizens from Israel vote for more anti semitic racism from the Labour party. " Have you ever seen Theresa May on a demonstration opposing Nazis or fascists? No. And neither have I. Have you seen Corbyn on them? I have seen him personally on countless demos. He has a long history of opposing all forms of discrimination. May has a long history of the exact opposite. She had those 'go home migrant' trucks. She has voted against gay marriage. To keep Section 28. Campaigned on a basis of opposition to the lesbianism of some teachers in her very first MP campaign. She is the true monger of hate and division. Corbyn was arrested for protesting apartheid when the Tories were decrying Mandela as a terrorist! | |||
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"have to say i have now gone from lib dem to "not sure"..... its not that the Lib dems have had a bad campaign at all... ( i think they have misjudged the "48%" thing, but other than not done anything catastophic)... i just think that labour have had a really good campaign..... my base line 6 weeks ago was " could i ever see myself voting for Corbyn".... like it was "could i see myself voting for Milliband" 2 years ago... and the answer was always no! now..... have to say... wavering.... I am going to read thru both manifeso's again tonight before making up my mind.... " You know it makes sense mate....and don't listen to soxy  | |||
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"TM's U-Turns... Tories brexit/NHS lies... TM's opportunism... TM evidently unable to debate... NHS again!!!... TM's cult of personality... Cuts... UKIPpers voting conservative... Hate crimes promoted by the Tory media before and after brexit campaign... More lies... Wanna have more years of that? Voting Tories at this point is masochistic... Your choice. What's wrong with a U-turn? Do you prefer blind dictatorship? If you are into S&M, that's fine... Hate crimes... A more racist Britain... Your choice. Yeah if you want hate crimes against Jews and citizens from Israel vote for more anti semitic racism from the Labour party. You are an UKIPper... Do I need to say more? Your main tragedy is not being able to brag that Hitler was English. How is Ken Livingston doing these days? Still in the Labour party isn't he and he had quite a bit to say about Hitler before he got suspended for anti semitism. Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth fled an anti semitic Labour party meeting in tears just a year ago in June 2016 as she faced abuse from militant Corbyn momentum morons. Naz Shah another anti semitic racist flying the red flag for Labour. What a vile party Labour is for allowing this to go on. " if you want to really play that card what should i think of daily mail and daily express readers since there papers has history of supporting the nazi's back in the day?
or UKIP voters when people in that party have said awful things in the past... farage, bloom, ect ect.....
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"I voted Labour in '97. I'll never repeat that mistake again. The Conservatives have my vote, even though I cannot stand my local Conservative MP So you've not bothered to read any of the manifestos this time around then? -Matt Nope. The way I see it you have 2 choices Labour or Conservative. To give some background, I was bought up in a poor family on a South London council estate. Socialist punish success and would rob me of everything I have worked fucking hard to achieve and get. Simplistically, I see Conservatives as a party for makers. Labour a party for takers. Manifestos are irrelevant as no party follows them. Makers versus takers? What a load of old tosh. I hope you dont use any public services whatsoever....that'd make you a taker wouldnt it?" .And paid for by both Council and Income tax which the poster pays so I guess he is a giver, not a taker. | |||
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"I voted Labour in '97. I'll never repeat that mistake again. The Conservatives have my vote, even though I cannot stand my local Conservative MP So you've not bothered to read any of the manifestos this time around then? -Matt Nope. The way I see it you have 2 choices Labour or Conservative. To give some background, I was bought up in a poor family on a South London council estate. Socialist punish success and would rob me of everything I have worked fucking hard to achieve and get. Simplistically, I see Conservatives as a party for makers. Labour a party for takers. Manifestos are irrelevant as no party follows them. Makers versus takers? What a load of old tosh. I hope you dont use any public services whatsoever....that'd make you a taker wouldnt it? .And paid for by both Council and Income tax which the poster pays so I guess he is a giver, not a taker. " Youre certainly a giver of comedy gold....keep it up, it's hilarious. | |||
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"Im still none the wiser .... "Its really very easy... If you want tax cuts for the super rich paid for by the majority vote Conservative... If you don't vote whoever will defeat your local Tory candidate... | |||
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Its really very easy...
If you want tax cuts for the super rich paid for by the majority vote Conservative...
If you don't vote whoever will defeat your local Tory candidate..."Its really very easy... If you want your children to pay for our privileges vote labour... If you don't for any other candidate... | |||
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"I knew the moment it was called who I will be voting for. For the first time ever I will be ticking the LibDem box. Also for the first time ever my decision will be decided by a single issue. Brexit. This" And if that is the case... then quite frankly you get what you deserve You do get the feeling that if one subject was the be all and end all... and in the subprint after it mean they would kill your first born, you still get the feeling a lot of people really wouldn't mind
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"If you want your children to pay for our privileges vote labour... If you don't for any other candidate..." Really? I had a free tertiary education complete with a substance grant because my father walked out on my family on my 18th birthday, my younger brothers got the same support. I believe that every young person should have the same or better chances than I had... I believe everyone should have full FREE medical care available when needed regardless ability to pay. I believe we should look after our elderly, infirm and vulnerable without looking to make profits due to their disabilities. I believe it is incumbent on the strong to protect the weak. My beliefs are called progressive and socialist. I am proud of them, their objective and willing to pay for then... Now lets hear one of you neo cons stand up and proclaim your beliefs in the same way I have just done... | |||
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"I knew the moment it was called who I will be voting for. For the first time ever I will be ticking the LibDem box. Also for the first time ever my decision will be decided by a single issue. Brexit. I really want to vote lib dem too but my constituency is a two horse race, fairly tight. Corbyn would be an economic crisis so i may have to vote tactically for conservative even though they've run the worst campaign I've ever seen. " Vote for what you actually believe in. Corbyn's economic policies maybe rubbish but then the Tories plans for BREXIT don't make economic sense either. Far better to vote for what you really believe is right and best for Britain and not let either of the others claim your vote as part of their mandate for economic suicide. | |||
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"have to say i have now gone from lib dem to "not sure"..... its not that the Lib dems have had a bad campaign at all... ( i think they have misjudged the "48%" thing, but other than not done anything catastophic)... i just think that labour have had a really good campaign..... my base line 6 weeks ago was " could i ever see myself voting for Corbyn".... like it was "could i see myself voting for Milliband" 2 years ago... and the answer was always no! now..... have to say... wavering.... I am going to read thru both manifeso's again tonight before making up my mind.... " Hopefully, you will vote for the one most likely to beat the Tory candidate. This election is more about "anything but Tory" than tribal politics. | |||
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"I knew the moment it was called who I will be voting for. For the first time ever I will be ticking the LibDem box. Also for the first time ever my decision will be decided by a single issue. Brexit." Please don't tick it, put a "X" in it!!!!! | |||
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"Hopefully, you will vote for the one most likely to beat the Tory candidate. This election is more about "anything but Tory" than tribal politics." You have my respect. | |||
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"TM's U-Turns... Tories brexit/NHS lies... TM's opportunism... TM evidently unable to debate... NHS again!!!... TM's cult of personality... Cuts... UKIPpers voting conservative... Hate crimes promoted by the Tory media before and after brexit campaign... More lies... Wanna have more years of that? Voting Tories at this point is masochistic... Your choice. What's wrong with a U-turn? Do you prefer blind dictatorship? If you are into S&M, that's fine... Hate crimes... A more racist Britain... Your choice. Yeah if you want hate crimes against Jews and citizens from Israel vote for more anti semitic racism from the Labour party. You are an UKIPper... Do I need to say more? Your main tragedy is not being able to brag that Hitler was English. How is Ken Livingston doing these days? Still in the Labour party isn't he and he had quite a bit to say about Hitler before he got suspended for anti semitism. Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth fled an anti semitic Labour party meeting in tears just a year ago in June 2016 as she faced abuse from militant Corbyn momentum morons. Naz Shah another anti semitic racist flying the red flag for Labour. What a vile party Labour is for allowing this to go on. I mean... Really? You talking of racism? Hilarious!!!! "But you're not actually addressing his points about Labour's anti-Semitism, are you? | |||
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"I hope everyone gets off their backside and votes today. Not bothered which party you think is best but please do vote. Myself as a trade union member all my working life I will be voting for the party which I think is the best choice at this point in time for this country. And not one with a Father Christmas wish list! They also happen to be my favourite colour and the colour of my eyes! Lol" I didn't know people existed that had yellow eyes!! | |||
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"If you want your children to pay for our privileges vote labour... If you don't for any other candidate... Really? I had a free tertiary education complete with a substance grant because my father walked out on my family on my 18th birthday, my younger brothers got the same support. I believe that every young person should have the same or better chances than I had... I believe everyone should have full FREE medical care available when needed regardless ability to pay. I believe we should look after our elderly, infirm and vulnerable without looking to make profits due to their disabilities. I believe it is incumbent on the strong to protect the weak. My beliefs are called progressive and socialist. I am proud of them, their objective and willing to pay for then... Now lets hear one of you neo cons stand up and proclaim your beliefs in the same way I have just done..." Nice post mate and it's shut a few gobshites up | |||
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"If you want your children to pay for our privileges vote labour... If you don't for any other candidate... Really? I had a free tertiary education complete with a substance grant because my father walked out on my family on my 18th birthday, my younger brothers got the same support. I believe that every young person should have the same or better chances than I had... " I didn't go to university because, although I was offered a place, I did not qualify for a any grants from my local council and my parents refused to pay for my maintenance and there were no affordable loans available. I believe that every young person who has the ability to go to university should be able to go, regardless of their parents wealth, ability or willingness to pay. " I believe everyone should have full FREE medical care available when needed regardless ability to pay. " I believe that everyone should have full access to affordable, good health care, as is the case across most of Europe which has far better out comes for many treatments than we have here " I believe we should look after our elderly, infirm and vulnerable without looking to make profits due to their disabilities. " I believe we should look after our elderly, infirm and vulnerable without then having to be paid for by people less wealthy than they are themselves. " I believe it is incumbent on the strong to protect the weak. " So do I " My beliefs are called progressive and socialist. I am proud of them, their objective and willing to pay for then... " My beliefs are called liberal and I'm proud of them and currently pay for them every single day. " Now lets hear one of you neo cons stand up and proclaim your beliefs in the same way I have just done... Nice post mate and it's shut a few gobshites up " | |||
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"If you want your children to pay for our privileges vote labour... If you don't for any other candidate... Really? I had a free tertiary education complete with a substance grant because my father walked out on my family on my 18th birthday, my younger brothers got the same support. I believe that every young person should have the same or better chances than I had... I believe everyone should have full FREE medical care available when needed regardless ability to pay. I believe we should look after our elderly, infirm and vulnerable without looking to make profits due to their disabilities. I believe it is incumbent on the strong to protect the weak. My beliefs are called progressive and socialist. I am proud of them, their objective and willing to pay for then... Now lets hear one of you neo cons stand up and proclaim your beliefs in the same way I have just done..." Yes you believe in privileges bestowed as birth rights irrespective of the funding available or the choicesa person makes. So by extension you feel justfied to increasingly infringe the liberty of others in order to try and pay for it. You are a lefty. I am liberal. | |||
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"Yes you believe in privileges bestowed as birth rights irrespective of the funding available or the choicesa person makes. So by extension you feel justfied to increasingly infringe the liberty of others in order to try and pay for it. You are a lefty. I am liberal. " No I am a progressive, however you are an idiot who has swallowed the 'you could join the club too' myth spread by the 0.01% of the world that controls the bast majority of its wealth. But regardless of what I or anyone else says you will not change your view. You are the typical long term (Stockholm Syndrome) hostage that has so identified with your captor to survive you will die to save them. | |||
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"Yes you believe in privileges bestowed as birth rights irrespective of the funding available or the choicesa person makes. So by extension you feel justfied to increasingly infringe the liberty of others in order to try and pay for it. You are a lefty. I am liberal. No I am a progressive, however you are an idiot who has swallowed the 'you could join the club too' myth spread by the 0.01% of the world that controls the bast majority of its wealth. But regardless of what I or anyone else says you will not change your view. You are the typical long term (Stockholm Syndrome) hostage that has so identified with your captor to survive you will die to save them. " I don't care about joining the 0.01% club, i'm just delighted i dont have to live in a country that got fucked up by stupid idealist far left ideas where people live off wages that aren't even a quarter of our minimum wage. As for delusional ideas, you're the only person I've ever interacted with who thought the soviet union was capitalist. Must have missed that one in all my economics lectures. | |||
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"As for delusional ideas, you're the only person I've ever interacted with who thought the soviet union was capitalist. Must have missed that one in all my economics lectures. " So you never learned about command economies? And no one ever told you that one of the things that defines a capitalist economy is placing a notional value on all 'stuff', and to do that you need a measure of value (money). Therefore by definition any society that uses money has to place value on capital and by definition is capitalist... Maybe my lecturers were more esoteric than yours... I'll try one last time, the USSR was NOT communist it WAS a SINGLE PARTY DICTATORSHIP with A CAPITALIST COMMAND ECONOMY! The big hint is that it used MONEY and if you had enough of it you could buy virtually ANYTHING! | |||
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"As for delusional ideas, you're the only person I've ever interacted with who thought the soviet union was capitalist. Must have missed that one in all my economics lectures. So you never learned about command economies? And no one ever told you that one of the things that defines a capitalist economy is placing a notional value on all 'stuff', and to do that you need a measure of value (money). Therefore by definition any society that uses money has to place value on capital and by definition is capitalist... Maybe my lecturers were more esoteric than yours... I'll try one last time, the USSR was NOT communist it WAS a SINGLE PARTY DICTATORSHIP with A CAPITALIST COMMAND ECONOMY! The big hint is that it used MONEY and if you had enough of it you could buy virtually ANYTHING!" Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron | |||
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"USSR was not a communist state. It had deformed into state capitalism." Only towards the end and because the command economy failed so badly as it does in every country that tries it. | |||
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"USSR was not a communist state. It had deformed into state capitalism. Only towards the end and because the command economy failed so badly as it does in every country that tries it. " Bullshit, on both counts. "State Capitalism" was instigated in part by Lenin with the new economic policy. Stalin, didn't like it though and felt that total control was nescessary - He was the first to describe the USSRs economy as "State Captalism" | |||
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"well not that anyone really cares.... but i did end up voting..... and i ended up voting for labour..... as much i don't think the lib dems did a bad job..... have to say was impressed with the labour manifesto........" I'm over the moon with your decision | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron " No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. " China is an oxymoron..... | |||
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"well not that anyone really cares.... but i did end up voting..... and i ended up voting for labour..... as much i don't think the lib dems did a bad job..... have to say was impressed with the labour manifesto........" Congratulations Fabio! I know that you spent a lot of time thinking about how you would vote and why. I wish more were as thoughtful, I think we would live in a better society if they did. Knowing your a US citizen and naturalised British voter may I say regardless of how you vote in the future thank you so much for engaging. It is a pity that between 1 in 3 and 1 in 5 (we will not see more than 80% turnout) of my fellow country men and women will not engage in deciding their futures. | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. " There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. | |||
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"well not that anyone really cares.... but i did end up voting..... and i ended up voting for labour..... as much i don't think the lib dems did a bad job..... have to say was impressed with the labour manifesto........" Civil servant votes labour. And in other news the sun rises in the east. | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies." It's hard to say, looking at the kind of economies succesful revolutions have taken place in. I can't think of any that were already industrialised. China seem to be doing OK with it, though. | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. It's hard to say, looking at the kind of economies succesful revolutions have taken place in. I can't think of any that were already industrialised. China seem to be doing OK with it, though. " Yes China experienced 40 years of double digit growth when it abandoned Mao's communism for a state capitalist model. Even the communist party is embarassed by Mao and allows criticism of him now. I think the only people who remember him fondly are Dianne Abbott and John MacDonell | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. It's hard to say, looking at the kind of economies succesful revolutions have taken place in. I can't think of any that were already industrialised. China seem to be doing OK with it, though. Yes China experienced 40 years of double digit growth when it abandoned Mao's communism for a state capitalist model. Even the communist party is embarassed by Mao and allows criticism of him now. I think the only people who remember him fondly are Dianne Abbott and John MacDonell " See: you say something with some merit, then have to ruin it with some bullshit at the end. | |||
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" Civil servant votes labour. And in other news the sun rises in the east. " and the great thing about civil servants is that we try to the best of our ability to implement policy regardless of which party wins....... | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. It's hard to say, looking at the kind of economies succesful revolutions have taken place in. I can't think of any that were already industrialised. China seem to be doing OK with it, though. Yes China experienced 40 years of double digit growth when it abandoned Mao's communism for a state capitalist model. Even the communist party is embarassed by Mao and allows criticism of him now. I think the only people who remember him fondly are Dianne Abbott and John MacDonell See: you say something with some merit, then have to ruin it with some bullshit at the end. " Ok but try and see things from another persons point of view. If Philip Hammond waved a copy of Mein Kampf around the commons then he wouldn't be in post. What exactly is it about the man who starved at least 60m people to death that makes him worthy of the shadow chancellor to wave his little red book around? | |||
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" Civil servant votes labour. And in other news the sun rises in the east. and the great thing about civil servants is that we try to the best of our ability to implement policy regardless of which party wins....... "Sure you do. We've all seen yes minister | |||
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"There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies." Really? I would point out that there has not been an industrialised communist economy, but in this we are arguing semantics... However accepting your definition of communism I would further point out that the command economies of the USSR and China both turned populations of substance farmers with 98%+ illiteracy into highly educated industrial societies with 98%+ levels of literacy in under 50 years. Something our superior western democracies still have to achieve after more than 200 years of industrialisation! | |||
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" Civil servant votes labour. And in other news the sun rises in the east. and the great thing about civil servants is that we try to the best of our ability to implement policy regardless of which party wins....... " | |||
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"There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. Really? I would point out that there has not been an industrialised communist economy, but in this we are arguing semantics... However accepting your definition of communism I would further point out that the command economies of the USSR and China both turned populations of substance farmers with 98%+ illiteracy into highly educated industrial societies with 98%+ levels of literacy in under 50 years. Something our superior western democracies still have to achieve after more than 200 years of industrialisation! " Quite. I always thought that the actual problem with command economies was the lack of civil liberties/censorship/etc rather than their failure to bring about economic changes. | |||
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"There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. Really? I would point out that there has not been an industrialised communist economy, but in this we are arguing semantics... However accepting your definition of communism I would further point out that the command economies of the USSR and China both turned populations of substance farmers with 98%+ illiteracy into highly educated industrial societies with 98%+ levels of literacy in under 50 years. Something our superior western democracies still have to achieve after more than 200 years of industrialisation! " Well that ones easy. In the UK the illiteracy rate is basically confined to chavs and people with learning difficulties. Neither china nor russia give welfare to chavs and people with learning difficilties are treated worse than animals. However i won't completely deny you have a point, the soviets did a good job of educating people and especially women. | |||
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"There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. Really? I would point out that there has not been an industrialised communist economy, but in this we are arguing semantics... However accepting your definition of communism I would further point out that the command economies of the USSR and China both turned populations of substance farmers with 98%+ illiteracy into highly educated industrial societies with 98%+ levels of literacy in under 50 years. Something our superior western democracies still have to achieve after more than 200 years of industrialisation! Quite. I always thought that the actual problem with command economies was the lack of civil liberties/censorship/etc rather than their failure to bring about economic changes. " No, they all follow the same path. Good start because what they are basically doing is moving people from the countryside to cities which makes GDP growth look awesome. But then they achieve that and can never get an efficient, innovative economy going so they stagnate. | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. It's hard to say, looking at the kind of economies succesful revolutions have taken place in. I can't think of any that were already industrialised. China seem to be doing OK with it, though. Yes China experienced 40 years of double digit growth when it abandoned Mao's communism for a state capitalist model. Even the communist party is embarassed by Mao and allows criticism of him now. I think the only people who remember him fondly are Dianne Abbott and John MacDonell See: you say something with some merit, then have to ruin it with some bullshit at the end. Ok but try and see things from another persons point of view. If Philip Hammond waved a copy of Mein Kampf around the commons then he wouldn't be in post. What exactly is it about the man who starved at least 60m people to death that makes him worthy of the shadow chancellor to wave his little red book around? " Mc Donnel didn't wave it though, did he? He threw it, as well you know. Also, you know exactly what his point was, stop being disingenious. | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. It's hard to say, looking at the kind of economies succesful revolutions have taken place in. I can't think of any that were already industrialised. China seem to be doing OK with it, though. Yes China experienced 40 years of double digit growth when it abandoned Mao's communism for a state capitalist model. Even the communist party is embarassed by Mao and allows criticism of him now. I think the only people who remember him fondly are Dianne Abbott and John MacDonell See: you say something with some merit, then have to ruin it with some bullshit at the end. Ok but try and see things from another persons point of view. If Philip Hammond waved a copy of Mein Kampf around the commons then he wouldn't be in post. What exactly is it about the man who starved at least 60m people to death that makes him worthy of the shadow chancellor to wave his little red book around? Mc Donnel didn't wave it though, did he? He threw it, as well you know. Also, you know exactly what his point was, stop being disingenious. " No i really don't. He just quotes something about economics from one of the most economically illiterate people in history. Any sensible politician wouldn't be seen dead with that book. As i say, i see no difference with mein kampf. Both abhorrent. | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. It's hard to say, looking at the kind of economies succesful revolutions have taken place in. I can't think of any that were already industrialised. China seem to be doing OK with it, though. Yes China experienced 40 years of double digit growth when it abandoned Mao's communism for a state capitalist model. Even the communist party is embarassed by Mao and allows criticism of him now. I think the only people who remember him fondly are Dianne Abbott and John MacDonell See: you say something with some merit, then have to ruin it with some bullshit at the end. Ok but try and see things from another persons point of view. If Philip Hammond waved a copy of Mein Kampf around the commons then he wouldn't be in post. What exactly is it about the man who starved at least 60m people to death that makes him worthy of the shadow chancellor to wave his little red book around? Mc Donnel didn't wave it though, did he? He threw it, as well you know. Also, you know exactly what his point was, stop being disingenious. No i really don't. He just quotes something about economics from one of the most economically illiterate people in history. Any sensible politician wouldn't be seen dead with that book. As i say, i see no difference with mein kampf. Both abhorrent. " You know why he threw it at Osborne and what his point was. | |||
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"There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. Really? I would point out that there has not been an industrialised communist economy, but in this we are arguing semantics... However accepting your definition of communism I would further point out that the command economies of the USSR and China both turned populations of substance farmers with 98%+ illiteracy into highly educated industrial societies with 98%+ levels of literacy in under 50 years. Something our superior western democracies still have to achieve after more than 200 years of industrialisation! Well that ones easy. In the UK the illiteracy rate is basically confined to chavs and people with learning difficulties. Neither china nor russia give welfare to chavs and people with learning difficilties are treated worse than animals. However i won't completely deny you have a point, the soviets did a good job of educating people and especially women." Got to disagree with you about the literacy levels. I've dealt with the general public a lot in my working life, and illiteracy is quite wide spread, not just 'chavs and those with learning difficulties' | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. It's hard to say, looking at the kind of economies succesful revolutions have taken place in. I can't think of any that were already industrialised. China seem to be doing OK with it, though. Yes China experienced 40 years of double digit growth when it abandoned Mao's communism for a state capitalist model. Even the communist party is embarassed by Mao and allows criticism of him now. I think the only people who remember him fondly are Dianne Abbott and John MacDonell See: you say something with some merit, then have to ruin it with some bullshit at the end. Ok but try and see things from another persons point of view. If Philip Hammond waved a copy of Mein Kampf around the commons then he wouldn't be in post. What exactly is it about the man who starved at least 60m people to death that makes him worthy of the shadow chancellor to wave his little red book around? Mc Donnel didn't wave it though, did he? He threw it, as well you know. Also, you know exactly what his point was, stop being disingenious. No i really don't. He just quotes something about economics from one of the most economically illiterate people in history. Any sensible politician wouldn't be seen dead with that book. As i say, i see no difference with mein kampf. Both abhorrent. You know why he threw it at Osborne and what his point was. " So what's your opinion of Mao? | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. It's hard to say, looking at the kind of economies succesful revolutions have taken place in. I can't think of any that were already industrialised. China seem to be doing OK with it, though. Yes China experienced 40 years of double digit growth when it abandoned Mao's communism for a state capitalist model. Even the communist party is embarassed by Mao and allows criticism of him now. I think the only people who remember him fondly are Dianne Abbott and John MacDonell See: you say something with some merit, then have to ruin it with some bullshit at the end. Ok but try and see things from another persons point of view. If Philip Hammond waved a copy of Mein Kampf around the commons then he wouldn't be in post. What exactly is it about the man who starved at least 60m people to death that makes him worthy of the shadow chancellor to wave his little red book around? Mc Donnel didn't wave it though, did he? He threw it, as well you know. Also, you know exactly what his point was, stop being disingenious. No i really don't. He just quotes something about economics from one of the most economically illiterate people in history. Any sensible politician wouldn't be seen dead with that book. As i say, i see no difference with mein kampf. Both abhorrent. You know why he threw it at Osborne and what his point was. So what's your opinion of Mao? " Way to go off topic. Why did McDonell throw the red book at Osbourne? Come on now, you know the answer.... | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. It's hard to say, looking at the kind of economies succesful revolutions have taken place in. I can't think of any that were already industrialised. China seem to be doing OK with it, though. Yes China experienced 40 years of double digit growth when it abandoned Mao's communism for a state capitalist model. Even the communist party is embarassed by Mao and allows criticism of him now. I think the only people who remember him fondly are Dianne Abbott and John MacDonell See: you say something with some merit, then have to ruin it with some bullshit at the end. Ok but try and see things from another persons point of view. If Philip Hammond waved a copy of Mein Kampf around the commons then he wouldn't be in post. What exactly is it about the man who starved at least 60m people to death that makes him worthy of the shadow chancellor to wave his little red book around? Mc Donnel didn't wave it though, did he? He threw it, as well you know. Also, you know exactly what his point was, stop being disingenious. No i really don't. He just quotes something about economics from one of the most economically illiterate people in history. Any sensible politician wouldn't be seen dead with that book. As i say, i see no difference with mein kampf. Both abhorrent. You know why he threw it at Osborne and what his point was. So what's your opinion of Mao? Way to go off topic. Why did McDonell throw the red book at Osbourne? Come on now, you know the answer...." Look comrade, i just watched it again on YouTube. The quote is long, rambling and obscure like most of Mao's shit and chinese doesn't translate well to english. I don't know what he was trying to do and stop making out like he chucked it at George the way the Iraqi's lobbed a shoe at Bush. | |||
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"I voted Labour in '97. I'll never repeat that mistake again. The Conservatives have my vote, even though I cannot stand my local Conservative MP So you've not bothered to read any of the manifestos this time around then? -Matt Nope. The way I see it you have 2 choices Labour or Conservative. To give some background, I was bought up in a poor family on a South London council estate. Socialist punish success and would rob me of everything I have worked fucking hard to achieve and get. Simplistically, I see Conservatives as a party for makers. Labour a party for takers. Manifestos are irrelevant as no party follows them. " Good god, seriously? | |||
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"I voted Labour in '97. I'll never repeat that mistake again. The Conservatives have my vote, even though I cannot stand my local Conservative MP So you've not bothered to read any of the manifestos this time around then? -Matt Nope. The way I see it you have 2 choices Labour or Conservative. To give some background, I was bought up in a poor family on a South London council estate. Socialist punish success and would rob me of everything I have worked fucking hard to achieve and get. Simplistically, I see Conservatives as a party for makers. Labour a party for takers. Manifestos are irrelevant as no party follows them. Fair enough. Good luck to you. I hope you make enough as a 'maker' to afford your own private medics, fire crew, and security. There is a reason the NHS, Fire service, and Police are all not supporting the Conservatives. I worked hard, and would also consider myself a maker. I had the privilege of growing up with good health, travelling the world, and with access to good education. Unfortunately not everyone has the same privilege. I don't see it as 'punishing success'. I see it as trying to improve society as a whole by reducing or stopping the rate at which inequality grows. But I know everyone sees things differently. Luckily we live in a democracy (as corrupt as it is). -Matt" Well said Matt. | |||
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"TM's U-Turns... Tories brexit/NHS lies... TM's opportunism... TM evidently unable to debate... NHS again!!!... TM's cult of personality... Cuts... UKIPpers voting conservative... Hate crimes promoted by the Tory media before and after brexit campaign... More lies... Wanna have more years of that? Voting Tories at this point is masochistic... Your choice. What's wrong with a U-turn? Do you prefer blind dictatorship? If you are into S&M, that's fine... Hate crimes... A more racist Britain... Your choice. Yeah if you want hate crimes against Jews and citizens from Israel vote for more anti semitic racism from the Labour party. You are an UKIPper... Do I need to say more? Your main tragedy is not being able to brag that Hitler was English. How is Ken Livingston doing these days? Still in the Labour party isn't he and he had quite a bit to say about Hitler before he got suspended for anti semitism. Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth fled an anti semitic Labour party meeting in tears just a year ago in June 2016 as she faced abuse from militant Corbyn momentum morons. Naz Shah another anti semitic racist flying the red flag for Labour. What a vile party Labour is for allowing this to go on. Dianna Abbott racist against whites (cough cough)" ? | |||
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"TM's U-Turns... Tories brexit/NHS lies... TM's opportunism... TM evidently unable to debate... NHS again!!!... TM's cult of personality... Cuts... UKIPpers voting conservative... Hate crimes promoted by the Tory media before and after brexit campaign... More lies... Wanna have more years of that? Voting Tories at this point is masochistic... Your choice. What's wrong with a U-turn? Do you prefer blind dictatorship? If you are into S&M, that's fine... Hate crimes... A more racist Britain... Your choice. Yeah if you want hate crimes against Jews and citizens from Israel vote for more anti semitic racism from the Labour party. You are an UKIPper... Do I need to say more? Your main tragedy is not being able to brag that Hitler was English. How is Ken Livingston doing these days? Still in the Labour party isn't he and he had quite a bit to say about Hitler before he got suspended for anti semitism. Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth fled an anti semitic Labour party meeting in tears just a year ago in June 2016 as she faced abuse from militant Corbyn momentum morons. Naz Shah another anti semitic racist flying the red flag for Labour. What a vile party Labour is for allowing this to go on. Dianna Abbott racist against whites (cough cough) ?" See for yourself: https://youtu.be/dWk29MhTb-g | |||
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"Capitalist command economy is an oxymoron No your problem is you have forgotten that what you call capitalism is actually 'lease faire capitalism'. You really should have paid more attention in lectures. There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. It's hard to say, looking at the kind of economies succesful revolutions have taken place in. I can't think of any that were already industrialised. China seem to be doing OK with it, though. Yes China experienced 40 years of double digit growth when it abandoned Mao's communism for a state capitalist model. Even the communist party is embarassed by Mao and allows criticism of him now. I think the only people who remember him fondly are Dianne Abbott and John MacDonell " It's Diane. | |||
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"There's a reason in 1984 that big brother constantly rewrote the dictionary. Lefties try and pull the same trick because if you read history objectively you'll see that communism wrecks economies. Really? I would point out that there has not been an industrialised communist economy, but in this we are arguing semantics... However accepting your definition of communism I would further point out that the command economies of the USSR and China both turned populations of substance farmers with 98%+ illiteracy into highly educated industrial societies with 98%+ levels of literacy in under 50 years. Something our superior western democracies still have to achieve after more than 200 years of industrialisation! Well that ones easy. In the UK the illiteracy rate is basically confined to chavs and people with learning difficulties. Neither china nor russia give welfare to chavs and people with learning difficilties are treated worse than animals. However i won't completely deny you have a point, the soviets did a good job of educating people and especially women. Got to disagree with you about the literacy levels. I've dealt with the general public a lot in my working life, and illiteracy is quite wide spread, not just 'chavs and those with learning difficulties' " Absolutely. That's a ridiculously ignorant comment. | |||
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"TM's U-Turns... Tories brexit/NHS lies... TM's opportunism... TM evidently unable to debate... NHS again!!!... TM's cult of personality... Cuts... UKIPpers voting conservative... Hate crimes promoted by the Tory media before and after brexit campaign... More lies... Wanna have more years of that? Voting Tories at this point is masochistic... Your choice. What's wrong with a U-turn? Do you prefer blind dictatorship? If you are into S&M, that's fine... Hate crimes... A more racist Britain... Your choice. Yeah if you want hate crimes against Jews and citizens from Israel vote for more anti semitic racism from the Labour party. You are an UKIPper... Do I need to say more? Your main tragedy is not being able to brag that Hitler was English. How is Ken Livingston doing these days? Still in the Labour party isn't he and he had quite a bit to say about Hitler before he got suspended for anti semitism. Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth fled an anti semitic Labour party meeting in tears just a year ago in June 2016 as she faced abuse from militant Corbyn momentum morons. Naz Shah another anti semitic racist flying the red flag for Labour. What a vile party Labour is for allowing this to go on. Dianna Abbott racist against whites (cough cough) ? See for yourself: https://youtu.be/dWk29MhTb-g" I was commenting on your inability to know her name. | |||
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"TM's U-Turns... Tories brexit/NHS lies... TM's opportunism... TM evidently unable to debate... NHS again!!!... TM's cult of personality... Cuts... UKIPpers voting conservative... Hate crimes promoted by the Tory media before and after brexit campaign... More lies... Wanna have more years of that? Voting Tories at this point is masochistic... Your choice. What's wrong with a U-turn? Do you prefer blind dictatorship? If you are into S&M, that's fine... Hate crimes... A more racist Britain... Your choice. Yeah if you want hate crimes against Jews and citizens from Israel vote for more anti semitic racism from the Labour party. You are an UKIPper... Do I need to say more? Your main tragedy is not being able to brag that Hitler was English. How is Ken Livingston doing these days? Still in the Labour party isn't he and he had quite a bit to say about Hitler before he got suspended for anti semitism. Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth fled an anti semitic Labour party meeting in tears just a year ago in June 2016 as she faced abuse from militant Corbyn momentum morons. Naz Shah another anti semitic racist flying the red flag for Labour. What a vile party Labour is for allowing this to go on. Dianna Abbott racist against whites (cough cough) ? See for yourself: https://youtu.be/dWk29MhTb-g I was commenting on your inability to know her name." Yeah thats the height of debating skill, when you can spot spelling mistakes because you can't address the central point. Congratulations | |||
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"TM's U-Turns... Tories brexit/NHS lies... TM's opportunism... TM evidently unable to debate... NHS again!!!... TM's cult of personality... Cuts... UKIPpers voting conservative... Hate crimes promoted by the Tory media before and after brexit campaign... More lies... Wanna have more years of that? Voting Tories at this point is masochistic... Your choice. What's wrong with a U-turn? Do you prefer blind dictatorship? If you are into S&M, that's fine... Hate crimes... A more racist Britain... Your choice. Yeah if you want hate crimes against Jews and citizens from Israel vote for more anti semitic racism from the Labour party. You are an UKIPper... Do I need to say more? Your main tragedy is not being able to brag that Hitler was English. How is Ken Livingston doing these days? Still in the Labour party isn't he and he had quite a bit to say about Hitler before he got suspended for anti semitism. Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth fled an anti semitic Labour party meeting in tears just a year ago in June 2016 as she faced abuse from militant Corbyn momentum morons. Naz Shah another anti semitic racist flying the red flag for Labour. What a vile party Labour is for allowing this to go on. Dianna Abbott racist against whites (cough cough) ? See for yourself: https://youtu.be/dWk29MhTb-g I was commenting on your inability to know her name. Yeah thats the height of debating skill, when you can spot spelling mistakes because you can't address the central point. Congratulations " Wasn't debating with you. Jimi already made the arguments, I'm just reading and enjoying. So reverse racism, you were saying....  | |||
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