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"Nearly impossible to protect against. "but... but ... we have have trident .... use trident | |||
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"There are multiple attacks, in borrow market too." . Any in penge? | |||
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"We will have to wait and see what facts come out. It could be a drink driver or a traffic accident or any number of things. I know everyone is on a heighten alert for a terrorist attack but it's too early to say what happened yet." . Yeah alright let's be sensible, its Jehovah's witnesses, the reckoning is finally upon us  | |||
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"There are multiple attacks, in borrow market too.. Any in penge?" No, it is fine here. | |||
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"but... but ... we have have trident .... use trident" Well to be honest... 1 missile, 16 MiRVS correctly targeted, no more Saudi Arabia, no more funding and weapons for IS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and the rest of the Salafist jihadists, and a lot more importantly no more Wahhabi Salafists to spread their intolerance and hate across the world. | |||
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"but... but ... we have have trident .... use trident Well to be honest... 1 missile, 16 MiRVS correctly targeted, no more Saudi Arabia, no more funding and weapons for IS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and the rest of the Salafist jihadists, and a lot more importantly no more Wahhabi Salafists to spread their intolerance and hate across the world. " I've got a different idea, but it won't be popular. (Because not all of us on the left are liberal)....  | |||
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"There are multiple attacks, in borrow market too.. Any in penge?No, it is fine here." . That's good, don't forget the pillow  | |||
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"There are multiple attacks, in borrow market too.. Any in penge?No, it is fine here.. That's good, don't forget the pillow "Yes, that one too  | |||
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"My friends on fbook are already sharing a virtual candle praying for peace... that should do it ". I agree none of that shit is going to make the slightest bit of difference, these people just want one thing, everybody dead. Unfortunately the way things are any quick easy solutions are likely to make things worse in the long run for us all, so we're just going to have to take it up the arse for awhile, yes people will die in more terrorists incidents in the future, no where is going to be safe, that's I'm afraid life it won't last forever but it will last quite awhile yet!. Meanwhile for everybody else life goes on | |||
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"My friends on fbook are already sharing a virtual candle praying for peace... that should do it .
I agree none of that shit is going to make the slightest bit of difference, these people just want one thing, everybody dead.
Unfortunately the way things are any quick easy solutions are likely to make things worse in the long run for us all, so we're just going to have to take it up the arse for awhile, yes people will die in more terrorists incidents in the future, no where is going to be safe, that's I'm afraid life it won't last forever but it will last quite awhile yet!.
Meanwhile for everybody else life goes on"There defintely are solutions, but they involve trips to the salt mines for an unspecified length..... | |||
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"My friends on fbook are already sharing a virtual candle praying for peace... that should do it .
I agree none of that shit is going to make the slightest bit of difference, these people just want one thing, everybody dead.
Unfortunately the way things are any quick easy solutions are likely to make things worse in the long run for us all, so we're just going to have to take it up the arse for awhile, yes people will die in more terrorists incidents in the future, no where is going to be safe, that's I'm afraid life it won't last forever but it will last quite awhile yet!.
Meanwhile for everybody else life goes on
There defintely are solutions, but they involve trips to the salt mines for an unspecified length..... ". These have been tested in history Jim and found to work I will agree, however they tend also to start throwing every dissenter in there as well after awhile. I've always been a fan of Napoleon myself government for the people not by the people  | |||
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to belittle it or make light of the fact someone isn't coming home tonight, and many are injured. But it seems we are not letting terrorism win. If as a country we are like "yeah, ok, whatever. What's for breakfast then?" then terrorism loses its impact. I'm both happy and sad I was beaten to the "but, we've got Trident" quip! But Corbyn is right, we are fighting a different 'enemy' these days and we need a different approach. -Matt" Yeh ok whatever...whats for breakfast then? 
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread... -Matt" I'm glad you found it funny. An eyewitness said that after the savages had run over pedestrians leaving a trail of dead and injured three savages got out of the van surrounded a woman and butchered her with knives. My niece frequents that area. I won't forget your comment. | |||
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"Thoughts go out to the six confirmed dead. Different thoughts go out to those on here, that sought to make humour and political gain out of this tragic event." | |||
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread... -Matt I'm glad you found it funny. An eyewitness said that after the savages had run over pedestrians leaving a trail of dead and injured three savages got out of the van surrounded a woman and butchered her with knives. My niece frequents that area. I won't forget your comment." Funny? Find what funny? Do you actually read posts on here before you reply? -Matt | |||
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to belittle it or make light of the fact someone isn't coming home tonight, and many are injured. But it seems we are not letting terrorism win. If as a country we are like "yeah, ok, whatever. What's for breakfast then?" then terrorism loses its impact. I'm both happy and sad I was beaten to the "but, we've got Trident" quip! But Corbyn is right, we are fighting a different 'enemy' these days and we need a different approach. -Matt" 6 dead, 48 injured, and you're pleased people are joking about it? Our daughter works close to London Bridge, the first we knew about it was when she texted and told us not to worry, she had been on the Bridge 20 mins before it happened, but was safe at work. Maybe you could tell us all a joke about the Manchester bomb? And then maybe you could tell us that you hope Bristol gets the same, perhaps close to where your daughter is, so you could laugh with everyone about it. Not belittle it, mind, just have a good old laugh and joke about people being killed by terrorists. | |||
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"Thoughts go out to the six confirmed dead. Different thoughts go out to those on here, that sought to make humour and political gain out of this tragic event."
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to belittle it or make light of the fact someone isn't coming home tonight, and many are injured. But it seems we are not letting terrorism win. If as a country we are like "yeah, ok, whatever. What's for breakfast then?" then terrorism loses its impact. I'm both happy and sad I was beaten to the "but, we've got Trident" quip! But Corbyn is right, we are fighting a different 'enemy' these days and we need a different approach. -Matt 6 dead, 48 injured, and you're pleased people are joking about it? Our daughter works close to London Bridge, the first we knew about it was when she texted and told us not to worry, she had been on the Bridge 20 mins before it happened, but was safe at work. Maybe you could tell us all a joke about the Manchester bomb? And then maybe you could tell us that you hope Bristol gets the same, perhaps close to where your daughter is, so you could laugh with everyone about it. Not belittle it, mind, just have a good old laugh and joke about people being killed by terrorists. " I am pleased that it seems that so soon after that things seemed to be moving on. It was a horrific attack and no, of course I don't want it to happen elsewhere. And no I don't joke about people being killed. Some people here have a lack of reading ability and a moral rage that makes them see things that are not there. I am pleased that faced with horrors like this that our police and emergency services do a fine job. That the local bouncers seemed to know what to do. That people once again opened their home. Helped the wounded. Terrorism will not win. -Matt | |||
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"Thoughts go out to the six confirmed dead. Different thoughts go out to those on here, that sought to make humour and political gain out of this tragic event.
All the terrorist apologists and sympathisers will no doubt be along soon "Followed by the alt reich asking for blood and justice and the burning of mosques.Then after the venting a group hug...  | |||
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"Thoughts go out to the six confirmed dead. Different thoughts go out to those on here, that sought to make humour and political gain out of this tragic event.
All the terrorist apologists and sympathisers will no doubt be along soon Followed by the alt reich asking for blood and justice and the burning of mosques.Then after the venting a group hug... "Plus the facebook groups.. light a candle anyone | |||
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"Thoughts go out to the six confirmed dead. Different thoughts go out to those on here, that sought to make humour and political gain out of this tragic event.
All the terrorist apologists and sympathisers will no doubt be along soon Followed by the alt reich asking for blood and justice and the burning of mosques.Then after the venting a group hug... "...and the banning of the hiring of vehicles to muslims. Or the sale of kitchen knives to anyone with a dark complexion. -Matt | |||
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"Thoughts go out to the six confirmed dead. Different thoughts go out to those on here, that sought to make humour and political gain out of this tragic event.
All the terrorist apologists and sympathisers will no doubt be along soon Followed by the alt reich asking for blood and justice and the burning of mosques.Then after the venting a group hug...
Plus the facebook groups.. light a candle anyone "Paul nuttal will be on telly soon saying i told you so.May will tell us to be strong and stable and carry on.Corbyn will say you cant push a red button to stop terrorism. The left will be snowflakes and the right fascist and we'll all carry like before | |||
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"Thoughts go out to the six confirmed dead. Different thoughts go out to those on here, that sought to make humour and political gain out of this tragic event.
All the terrorist apologists and sympathisers will no doubt be along soon Followed by the alt reich asking for blood and justice and the burning of mosques.Then after the venting a group hug...
Plus the facebook groups.. light a candle anyone Paul nuttal will be on telly soon saying i told you so.May will tell us to be strong and stable and carry on.Corbyn will say you cant push a red button to stop terrorism.
The left will be snowflakes and the right fascist and we'll all carry like before ".......the one thing they all will do is condemne these attacks...something you never seem to do..but you will always slip in the far right comment.....who's doing the murdering Saint Bob. | |||
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"Thoughts go out to the six confirmed dead. Different thoughts go out to those on here, that sought to make humour and political gain out of this tragic event.
All the terrorist apologists and sympathisers will no doubt be along soon Followed by the alt reich asking for blood and justice and the burning of mosques.Then after the venting a group hug...
Plus the facebook groups.. light a candle anyone Paul nuttal will be on telly soon saying i told you so.May will tell us to be strong and stable and carry on.Corbyn will say you cant push a red button to stop terrorism.
The left will be snowflakes and the right fascist and we'll all carry like before "So whats the answer then you seem to be slagging everyone else off Your in charge Bob what would you do | |||
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"Thoughts go out to the six confirmed dead. Different thoughts go out to those on here, that sought to make humour and political gain out of this tragic event.
All the terrorist apologists and sympathisers will no doubt be along soon "Sorry but with your last sentence you are totally wrong.. Regardless of politics there's has never been anyone in the last ten years on this site apologising or sympathising with any terrorism .. It's a lie to say so.. It adds fuck all to any discussion which following these attacks does get heated as some vent their hate .. Thoughts are with the victims.. | |||
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to belittle it or make light of the fact someone isn't coming home tonight, and many are injured. But it seems we are not letting terrorism win. If as a country we are like "yeah, ok, whatever. What's for breakfast then?" then terrorism loses its impact. I'm both happy and sad I was beaten to the "but, we've got Trident" quip! But Corbyn is right, we are fighting a different 'enemy' these days and we need a different approach. -Matt 6 dead, 48 injured, and you're pleased people are joking about it? Our daughter works close to London Bridge, the first we knew about it was when she texted and told us not to worry, she had been on the Bridge 20 mins before it happened, but was safe at work. Maybe you could tell us all a joke about the Manchester bomb? And then maybe you could tell us that you hope Bristol gets the same, perhaps close to where your daughter is, so you could laugh with everyone about it. Not belittle it, mind, just have a good old laugh and joke about people being killed by terrorists. I am pleased that it seems that so soon after that things seemed to be moving on. It was a horrific attack and no, of course I don't want it to happen elsewhere. And no I don't joke about people being killed. Some people here have a lack of reading ability and a moral rage that makes them see things that are not there. I am pleased that faced with horrors like this that our police and emergency services do a fine job. That the local bouncers seemed to know what to do. That people once again opened their home. Helped the wounded. Terrorism will not win. -Matt" But terrorism has won 6 (maybe more) dead on the back of the 22 killed in Manchester. Look at the TV this morning. The front page of every newspaper. On the final Sunday before probably the most important general election in my lifetime these three (thankfully now dead) pieces of shit have stolen the headlines in the UK and probably worldwide. To them and their followers and supporters (of whom there are many) this is a victory, as was Manchester, as was Westminster bridge, Paris, Brussels, Berlin, Nice, Tunisia, the list could (and will almost certainly continue to) go on. Be stoical by all means, light candles and create hashtags if that's what floats your boat, but don't tell me they wont win. The mad mullahs win every time they convince a nutjob to go out on the streets and kill people. | |||
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to belittle it or make light of the fact someone isn't coming home tonight, and many are injured. But it seems we are not letting terrorism win. If as a country we are like "yeah, ok, whatever. What's for breakfast then?" then terrorism loses its impact. I'm both happy and sad I was beaten to the "but, we've got Trident" quip! But Corbyn is right, we are fighting a different 'enemy' these days and we need a different approach. -Matt 6 dead, 48 injured, and you're pleased people are joking about it? Our daughter works close to London Bridge, the first we knew about it was when she texted and told us not to worry, she had been on the Bridge 20 mins before it happened, but was safe at work. Maybe you could tell us all a joke about the Manchester bomb? And then maybe you could tell us that you hope Bristol gets the same, perhaps close to where your daughter is, so you could laugh with everyone about it. Not belittle it, mind, just have a good old laugh and joke about people being killed by terrorists. I am pleased that it seems that so soon after that things seemed to be moving on. It was a horrific attack and no, of course I don't want it to happen elsewhere. And no I don't joke about people being killed. Some people here have a lack of reading ability and a moral rage that makes them see things that are not there. I am pleased that faced with horrors like this that our police and emergency services do a fine job. That the local bouncers seemed to know what to do. That people once again opened their home. Helped the wounded. Terrorism will not win. -Matt But terrorism has won 6 (maybe more) dead on the back of the 22 killed in Manchester. Look at the TV this morning. The front page of every newspaper. On the final Sunday before probably the most important general election in my lifetime these three (thankfully now dead) pieces of shit have stolen the headlines in the UK and probably worldwide. To them and their followers and supporters (of whom there are many) this is a victory, as was Manchester, as was Westminster bridge, Paris, Brussels, Berlin, Nice, Tunisia, the list could (and will almost certainly continue to) go on. Be stoical by all means, light candles and create hashtags if that's what floats your boat, but don't tell me they wont win. The mad mullahs win every time they convince a nutjob to go out on the streets and kill people. " But you can't not report it either. They didn't win. They won't. Of course it will be reported. But does it divide us or bring us together as a nation? Do we change our behaviour and live in fear? No. If we do, then they have won. | |||
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One thing I think we should be thankful for tho is our , strict gun laws !
We get knife attacks , other Country's Sadly get Kalashnikovs !
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to belittle it or make light of the fact someone isn't coming home tonight, and many are injured. But it seems we are not letting terrorism win. If as a country we are like "yeah, ok, whatever. What's for breakfast then?" then terrorism loses its impact. I'm both happy and sad I was beaten to the "but, we've got Trident" quip! But Corbyn is right, we are fighting a different 'enemy' these days and we need a different approach. -Matt" It is difficult to see how any self respecting person could justify making jokes about terrorist attacks . If you had ever lived in an environment where people had to take different routes to work every day or check your car for bombs , I do not think you would consider it a joking matter. Whilst we should not let terrorists ruin out lives they represent a very real risk If we had greater control over who entered our country and did a full scale check of all current citizens from groups that pose a risk we might be in a better position to control and prevent terrorism. | |||
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to belittle it or make light of the fact someone isn't coming home tonight, and many are injured. But it seems we are not letting terrorism win. If as a country we are like "yeah, ok, whatever. What's for breakfast then?" then terrorism loses its impact. I'm both happy and sad I was beaten to the "but, we've got Trident" quip! But Corbyn is right, we are fighting a different 'enemy' these days and we need a different approach. -Matt 6 dead, 48 injured, and you're pleased people are joking about it? Our daughter works close to London Bridge, the first we knew about it was when she texted and told us not to worry, she had been on the Bridge 20 mins before it happened, but was safe at work. Maybe you could tell us all a joke about the Manchester bomb? And then maybe you could tell us that you hope Bristol gets the same, perhaps close to where your daughter is, so you could laugh with everyone about it. Not belittle it, mind, just have a good old laugh and joke about people being killed by terrorists. I am pleased that it seems that so soon after that things seemed to be moving on. It was a horrific attack and no, of course I don't want it to happen elsewhere. And no I don't joke about people being killed. Some people here have a lack of reading ability and a moral rage that makes them see things that are not there. I am pleased that faced with horrors like this that our police and emergency services do a fine job. That the local bouncers seemed to know what to do. That people once again opened their home. Helped the wounded. Terrorism will not win. -Matt But terrorism has won 6 (maybe more) dead on the back of the 22 killed in Manchester. Look at the TV this morning. The front page of every newspaper. On the final Sunday before probably the most important general election in my lifetime these three (thankfully now dead) pieces of shit have stolen the headlines in the UK and probably worldwide. To them and their followers and supporters (of whom there are many) this is a victory, as was Manchester, as was Westminster bridge, Paris, Brussels, Berlin, Nice, Tunisia, the list could (and will almost certainly continue to) go on. Be stoical by all means, light candles and create hashtags if that's what floats your boat, but don't tell me they wont win. The mad mullahs win every time they convince a nutjob to go out on the streets and kill people. " Agree in part but they won't win and every attack as bad as it is is the same after a bomb by the IRA or the Luftwaffe.. We clear up mourn our dead and crack on, such things for them may be victories but for all decent folk they should only serve to stiffen our resolve to be united and not give in to them.. | |||
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to belittle it or make light of the fact someone isn't coming home tonight, and many are injured. But it seems we are not letting terrorism win. If as a country we are like "yeah, ok, whatever. What's for breakfast then?" then terrorism loses its impact. I'm both happy and sad I was beaten to the "but, we've got Trident" quip! But Corbyn is right, we are fighting a different 'enemy' these days and we need a different approach. -Matt It is difficult to see how any self respecting person could justify making jokes about terrorist attacks . If you had ever lived in an environment where people had to take different routes to work every day or check your car for bombs , I do not think you would consider it a joking matter. Whilst we should not let terrorists ruin out lives they represent a very real risk If we had greater control over who entered our country and did a full scale check of all current citizens from groups that pose a risk we might be in a better position to control and prevent terrorism. " There's some idiots on here being pleased about 'joking about it already.' Next thing they'll be asking if we've 'heard the one about the 22 people who didn't walk out of a pop concert'. | |||
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to belittle it or make light of the fact someone isn't coming home tonight, and many are injured. But it seems we are not letting terrorism win. If as a country we are like "yeah, ok, whatever. What's for breakfast then?" then terrorism loses its impact. I'm both happy and sad I was beaten to the "but, we've got Trident" quip! But Corbyn is right, we are fighting a different 'enemy' these days and we need a different approach. -Matt It is difficult to see how any self respecting person could justify making jokes about terrorist attacks . If you had ever lived in an environment where people had to take different routes to work every day or check your car for bombs , I do not think you would consider it a joking matter. Whilst we should not let terrorists ruin out lives they represent a very real risk If we had greater control over who entered our country and did a full scale check of all current citizens from groups that pose a risk we might be in a better position to control and prevent terrorism. " Pat, would that include all catholics too given there is still the threat of the 'real IRA'? | |||
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"what i cant get my head around is these people pray in mosques right. there all over the uk , bigger than buckingham palace , cost millions . why do we allow them planning permission and allow them to be built . a lot of our churches are in a state of dis repair but there just left to deteriorate. planning permission for a house is refused etc etc etc surely theres something that says sorry no mosques .. demolish them and build houses. " Because the vast majority of people who visit those places are just like everyone else, they are peacefull.. Would you demolish all pubs because d*unk drivers who kill people use them too? | |||
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"what i cant get my head around is these people pray in mosques right. there all over the uk , bigger than buckingham palace , cost millions . why do we allow them planning permission and allow them to be built . a lot of our churches are in a state of dis repair but there just left to deteriorate. planning permission for a house is refused etc etc etc surely theres something that says sorry no mosques .. demolish them and build houses. " Demolish mosques? Yes, that will definitely calm the situation down and keep us safer
That kind of thing is exactly what Daesh want. They want to set Muslims against the rest of us. They want division and conflict and anger and hatred.
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to belittle it or make light of the fact someone isn't coming home tonight, and many are injured. But it seems we are not letting terrorism win. If as a country we are like "yeah, ok, whatever. What's for breakfast then?" then terrorism loses its impact. I'm both happy and sad I was beaten to the "but, we've got Trident" quip! But Corbyn is right, we are fighting a different 'enemy' these days and we need a different approach. -Matt 6 dead, 48 injured, and you're pleased people are joking about it? Our daughter works close to London Bridge, the first we knew about it was when she texted and told us not to worry, she had been on the Bridge 20 mins before it happened, but was safe at work. Maybe you could tell us all a joke about the Manchester bomb? And then maybe you could tell us that you hope Bristol gets the same, perhaps close to where your daughter is, so you could laugh with everyone about it. Not belittle it, mind, just have a good old laugh and joke about people being killed by terrorists. I am pleased that it seems that so soon after that things seemed to be moving on. It was a horrific attack and no, of course I don't want it to happen elsewhere. And no I don't joke about people being killed. Some people here have a lack of reading ability and a moral rage that makes them see things that are not there. I am pleased that faced with horrors like this that our police and emergency services do a fine job. That the local bouncers seemed to know what to do. That people once again opened their home. Helped the wounded. Terrorism will not win. -Matt But terrorism has won 6 (maybe more) dead on the back of the 22 killed in Manchester. Look at the TV this morning. The front page of every newspaper. On the final Sunday before probably the most important general election in my lifetime these three (thankfully now dead) pieces of shit have stolen the headlines in the UK and probably worldwide. To them and their followers and supporters (of whom there are many) this is a victory, as was Manchester, as was Westminster bridge, Paris, Brussels, Berlin, Nice, Tunisia, the list could (and will almost certainly continue to) go on. Be stoical by all means, light candles and create hashtags if that's what floats your boat, but don't tell me they wont win. The mad mullahs win every time they convince a nutjob to go out on the streets and kill people. Agree in part but they won't win and every attack as bad as it is is the same after a bomb by the IRA or the Luftwaffe.. We clear up mourn our dead and crack on, such things for them may be victories but for all decent folk they should only serve to stiffen our resolve to be united and not give in to them.. " Of course we can mourn and crack on but this is a completely different enemy than either the IRA or Hitler. With Hitler we knew where the enemy came from and who the enemy was. We bombed back and eventually invaded and defeated him. The IRA had a cause (whether you agreed with it or not) and eventually we negotiated a settlement (whether you agreed with that or not) This enemy comes from within, either born in Britain or sneaking through the porous border. We can't bomb back, we can't invade and crush them as we did with Germany. Somehow I don't see tanks rolling down the streets of Rochdale or Rotherham, or Lancasters raining bombs on Luton or Leicester any time soon. This enemy doesn't have a cause other than wiping us out, every last man woman and child. How do you negotiate with a nihilist death cult? Yes we will take out one of their leaders with a drone strike from time to time and the police will kick a few doors down, but you can't cut the head off the Hydra. Sadly this is something we will have to get used to for the foreseeable future. Another poster said above, it has stopped being shocking. I don't agree yet, but how long before this kind of thing is so common that it is buried on page twelve? | |||
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to belittle it or make light of the fact someone isn't coming home tonight, and many are injured. But it seems we are not letting terrorism win. If as a country we are like "yeah, ok, whatever. What's for breakfast then?" then terrorism loses its impact. I'm both happy and sad I was beaten to the "but, we've got Trident" quip! But Corbyn is right, we are fighting a different 'enemy' these days and we need a different approach. -Matt It is difficult to see how any self respecting person could justify making jokes about terrorist attacks . If you had ever lived in an environment where people had to take different routes to work every day or check your car for bombs , I do not think you would consider it a joking matter. Whilst we should not let terrorists ruin out lives they represent a very real risk If we had greater control over who entered our country and did a full scale check of all current citizens from groups that pose a risk we might be in a better position to control and prevent terrorism. Pat, would that include all catholics too given there is still the threat of the 'real IRA'? " I am guessing that most people are only deeply concerned about the current terrorist threat. If there are other comparatively minor threats by insignificant organisations I will leave you to carry out your risk one assessment . | |||
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to belittle it or make light of the fact someone isn't coming home tonight, and many are injured. But it seems we are not letting terrorism win. If as a country we are like "yeah, ok, whatever. What's for breakfast then?" then terrorism loses its impact. I'm both happy and sad I was beaten to the "but, we've got Trident" quip! But Corbyn is right, we are fighting a different 'enemy' these days and we need a different approach. -Matt 6 dead, 48 injured, and you're pleased people are joking about it? Our daughter works close to London Bridge, the first we knew about it was when she texted and told us not to worry, she had been on the Bridge 20 mins before it happened, but was safe at work. Maybe you could tell us all a joke about the Manchester bomb? And then maybe you could tell us that you hope Bristol gets the same, perhaps close to where your daughter is, so you could laugh with everyone about it. Not belittle it, mind, just have a good old laugh and joke about people being killed by terrorists. I am pleased that it seems that so soon after that things seemed to be moving on. It was a horrific attack and no, of course I don't want it to happen elsewhere. And no I don't joke about people being killed. Some people here have a lack of reading ability and a moral rage that makes them see things that are not there. I am pleased that faced with horrors like this that our police and emergency services do a fine job. That the local bouncers seemed to know what to do. That people once again opened their home. Helped the wounded. Terrorism will not win. -Matt But terrorism has won 6 (maybe more) dead on the back of the 22 killed in Manchester. Look at the TV this morning. The front page of every newspaper. On the final Sunday before probably the most important general election in my lifetime these three (thankfully now dead) pieces of shit have stolen the headlines in the UK and probably worldwide. To them and their followers and supporters (of whom there are many) this is a victory, as was Manchester, as was Westminster bridge, Paris, Brussels, Berlin, Nice, Tunisia, the list could (and will almost certainly continue to) go on. Be stoical by all means, light candles and create hashtags if that's what floats your boat, but don't tell me they wont win. The mad mullahs win every time they convince a nutjob to go out on the streets and kill people. Agree in part but they won't win and every attack as bad as it is is the same after a bomb by the IRA or the Luftwaffe.. We clear up mourn our dead and crack on, such things for them may be victories but for all decent folk they should only serve to stiffen our resolve to be united and not give in to them.. Of course we can mourn and crack on but this is a completely different enemy than either the IRA or Hitler. With Hitler we knew where the enemy came from and who the enemy was. We bombed back and eventually invaded and defeated him. The IRA had a cause (whether you agreed with it or not) and eventually we negotiated a settlement (whether you agreed with that or not) This enemy comes from within, either born in Britain or sneaking through the porous border. We can't bomb back, we can't invade and crush them as we did with Germany. Somehow I don't see tanks rolling down the streets of Rochdale or Rotherham, or Lancasters raining bombs on Luton or Leicester any time soon. This enemy doesn't have a cause other than wiping us out, every last man woman and child. How do you negotiate with a nihilist death cult? Yes we will take out one of their leaders with a drone strike from time to time and the police will kick a few doors down, but you can't cut the head off the Hydra. Sadly this is something we will have to get used to for the foreseeable future. Another poster said above, it has stopped being shocking. I don't agree yet, but how long before this kind of thing is so common that it is buried on page twelve? " That terrorists adapt and change how they do things is nothing new, we have certainly written a few chapters on such things ourselves in the past.. agree that this is with us for the future and that its different in how we dealt with other threats given its vile nature and that there is no possible dialogue.. | |||
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"Do you know the thing I am actually pleased about? It is 3:30am. I just had to get up to deal with my daughter who just woke saying she had a bad dream. I just checked my phone flicking through here to get back to sleep. And I saw this incident. Already looking at the news websites, it seems like the event is done and dusted. It's not even day break and it looks like things are moving on. We are already joking a bit about it here on this thread. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to belittle it or make light of the fact someone isn't coming home tonight, and many are injured. But it seems we are not letting terrorism win. If as a country we are like "yeah, ok, whatever. What's for breakfast then?" then terrorism loses its impact. I'm both happy and sad I was beaten to the "but, we've got Trident" quip! But Corbyn is right, we are fighting a different 'enemy' these days and we need a different approach. -Matt It is difficult to see how any self respecting person could justify making jokes about terrorist attacks . If you had ever lived in an environment where people had to take different routes to work every day or check your car for bombs , I do not think you would consider it a joking matter. Whilst we should not let terrorists ruin out lives they represent a very real risk If we had greater control over who entered our country and did a full scale check of all current citizens from groups that pose a risk we might be in a better position to control and prevent terrorism. Pat, would that include all catholics too given there is still the threat of the 'real IRA'? I am guessing that most people are only deeply concerned about the current terrorist threat. If there are other comparatively minor threats by insignificant organisations I will leave you to carry out your risk one assessment . " the threat by the dissident republicans has been with us since the ceasefire, its not insignificant by any means especially for the families of those they have killed.. | |||
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"Thoughts go out to the six confirmed dead. Different thoughts go out to those on here, that sought to make humour and political gain out of this tragic event.
All the terrorist apologists and sympathisers will no doubt be along soon
Sorry but with your last sentence you are totally wrong..
Regardless of politics there's has never been anyone in the last ten years on this site apologising or sympathising with any terrorism ..
It's a lie to say so..
It adds fuck all to any discussion which following these attacks does get heated as some vent their hate ..
Thoughts are with the victims..
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All the terrorist apologists and sympathisers will no doubt be along soon
Sorry but with your last sentence you are totally wrong..
Regardless of politics there's has never been anyone in the last ten years on this site apologising or sympathising with any terrorism ..
It's a lie to say so..
It adds fuck all to any discussion which following these attacks does get heated as some vent their hate ..
Thoughts are with the victims..
Unfortunately you are wrong, there are several on here who excuse terrorists "No.. you said apologists and sympathisers.. there have been none.. care to clarify whom, when etc have excused terrorists? | |||
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"As the caption says, you know it is bad when even the police are accusing May of outright lies. Peter Kirkham, former Senior Investigating Officer, the Met: https://www.facebook.com/EalingLabour4Corbyn/videos/538044779919764/ (excuse the link, it is actually a Sky News video, but I can't find it on their website to link to it directly) -Matt" And instead of addressing the cuts in policing on her watch, she instead calls for the 'regulation of the internet': http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-internet-regulated-london-bridge-terror-attack-google-facebook-whatsapp-borough-security-a7771896.html For fucks sake.This woman is a threat to our country. I am far more worried about the death of our civil liberties and privacy than the minuscule risk of being killed in a terrorist attack. -Matt | |||
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"Thoughts go out to the six confirmed dead. Different thoughts go out to those on here, that sought to make humour and political gain out of this tragic event.
All the terrorist apologists and sympathisers will no doubt be along soon
Sorry but with your last sentence you are totally wrong..
Regardless of politics there's has never been anyone in the last ten years on this site apologising or sympathising with any terrorism ..
It's a lie to say so..
It adds fuck all to any discussion which following these attacks does get heated as some vent their hate ..
Thoughts are with the victims..
Unfortunately you are wrong, there are several on here who excuse terrorists
No..
you said apologists and sympathisers..
there have been none..
care to clarify whom, when etc have excused terrorists?
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"Thoughts go out to the six confirmed dead. Different thoughts go out to those on here, that sought to make humour and political gain out of this tragic event.
All the terrorist apologists and sympathisers will no doubt be along soon
Sorry but with your last sentence you are totally wrong..
Regardless of politics there's has never been anyone in the last ten years on this site apologising or sympathising with any terrorism ..
It's a lie to say so..
It adds fuck all to any discussion which following these attacks does get heated as some vent their hate ..
Thoughts are with the victims..
Unfortunately you are wrong, there are several on here who excuse terrorists
No..
you said apologists and sympathisers..
there have been none..
care to clarify whom, when etc have excused terrorists?
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"Sadly this is something we will have to get used to for the foreseeable future. Another poster said above, it has stopped being shocking. I don't agree yet, but how long before this kind of thing is so common that it is buried on page twelve? I'm probably going to get flack for this comment from the people that can't read what I type (the ones that seem to think I was laughing at people being killed -- odd people). But what would that mean if it was buried on page 12? surely if the point of terrorism is to create terror and get publicity for their cause, then if they are relegated to page 12 they surely that means that their terrorism is not working? I know you said if it was so common that that happened, and obviously common would be bad. But still food for thought. -Matt" I must say i agree 100% Our Media is the one that feeds the terror in terrorism to us in fucking shovel fulls. Once some sick twisted fuckers decide to "martyr" themselves and murder innocent people they are guaranteed media attention to saturation point over here, worldwide reporting, their names and faces splashed across every media outlet for ages We "our media" are the terrorists mouth piece. Remember when our media had the ban on playing Jerry Adams voice on the TV ? did we also have a ban on showing his face on video's or just his voice. I was only a kid back then so some should remember it better than me. We need to start fighting back and the media has to play a big part of doing so in my opinion. | |||
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"Here in Spain, ex Guardia Civil officers are allowed, or should I say encouraged to carry hand guns, long after retirement It's mainly a throwback from ETA insurgency days Could this be an option on British Streets? - Retired police officers and select ex-armed forces carrying hand guns? I'm not pushing the argument one way or the other - Just throwing it out there " Personally I think that would just be another way for the government to say they are improving security without having to pay for it. Bit like the plastic police "PCSO's" we have now or the unpaid special constables | |||
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"Here in Spain, ex Guardia Civil officers are allowed, or should I say encouraged to carry hand guns, long after retirement It's mainly a throwback from ETA insurgency days Could this be an option on British Streets? - Retired police officers and select ex-armed forces carrying hand guns? I'm not pushing the argument one way or the other - Just throwing it out there Personally I think that would just be another way for the government to say they are improving security without having to pay for it. Bit like the plastic police "PCSO's" we have now or the unpaid special constables " I think it's time to leave political views out of the argument on terror and look for a common solution If just one hand gun had been in the hands of one good guy on London Bridge - Could 7 lives have been saved? Or would a relaxed rule on gun law (although controlled) exasperate the problem? | |||
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" If just one hand gun had been in the hands of one good guy on London Bridge - Could 7 lives have been saved? Or would a relaxed rule on gun law (although controlled) exasperate the problem? " Well, we can take America, where the idea of the good guy hero with a gun is entrenched in their culture, and look at their gun crime statistics compared to ours. | |||
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"Sadly this is something we will have to get used to for the foreseeable future. Another poster said above, it has stopped being shocking. I don't agree yet, but how long before this kind of thing is so common that it is buried on page twelve? I'm probably going to get flack for this comment from the people that can't read what I type (the ones that seem to think I was laughing at people being killed -- odd people). But what would that mean if it was buried on page 12? surely if the point of terrorism is to create terror and get publicity for their cause, then if they are relegated to page 12 they surely that means that their terrorism is not working? I know you said if it was so common that that happened, and obviously common would be bad. But still food for thought. -Matt I must say i agree 100% Our Media is the one that feeds the terror in terrorism to us in fucking shovel fulls. Once some sick twisted fuckers decide to "martyr" themselves and murder innocent people they are guaranteed media attention to saturation point over here, worldwide reporting, their names and faces splashed across every media outlet for ages We "our media" are the terrorists mouth piece. Remember when our media had the ban on playing Jerry Adams voice on the TV ? did we also have a ban on showing his face on video's or just his voice. I was only a kid back then so some should remember it better than me. We need to start fighting back and the media has to play a big part of doing so in my opinion." Exactly. Someone on here sad something like "we can't go and bomb the bastards as they are the terror within". Well just take a fucking look at the front page of the Daily Mail and its constant stirring of hatred. It's shit like that that is causing this. -Matt | |||
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"Agreed but I'm not talking about comparing British gun law with America I'm drawing the comparison with Spain and it's controlled law which allows ex-Guadia Civil officers to carry hand guns " Statistically, I very much doubt it would be effective. I mean the probability of that person being in the right place at the right time. And having their gun on them. And not being pissed (this was a Saturday in an area full of pubs). And being able to successfully use their weapon in time before the killing. Bearing in mind from what I've read of eyewitness reports they literally got out the van after crashing it and started stabbing the nearest people. The fact that the police had all three attackers shot in 8 minutes from the 999 call is incredible. -Matt | |||
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"what are you saying they've been allowed to win though? a gold medal? first prize? a bet? win what?" They want to make us frightened to begin with and turn the uk into an islamic state | |||
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"what are you saying they've been allowed to win though? a gold medal? first prize? a bet? win what? They want to make us frightened to begin with and turn the uk into an islamic state" Yes, just what I was about to say, their aim is to make uk a islamic state, like they try to do in sweden. | |||
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"what are you saying they've been allowed to win though? a gold medal? first prize? a bet? win what? They want to make us frightened to begin with and turn the uk into an islamic state" if you're going to get involved then add summut to the convo instead of spouting your dumb rhetoric ... otherwise be quiet and let shag answer the question himself | |||
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"their aim is to make uk a islamic state, like they try to do in sweden." but you said they would be allowed to win .... win what? | |||
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"By taking no action, we are allowing terrorism to win.?" the action taken in response last night in reaction to the terrorists was pretty precise and effective.. we don't know the half of how many plots have been prevented as to be honest where it on the news every time it happened there would be either panic from some or apathy form others.. that's the thing with terrorism, we can only be reactive part of the time.. | |||
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"By taking no action, we are allowing terrorism to win.? the action taken in response last night in reaction to the terrorists was pretty precise and effective.. we don't know the half of how many plots have been prevented as to be honest where it on the news every time it happened there would be either panic from some or apathy form others.. that's the thing with terrorism, we can only be reactive part of the time.. " That is right too and yeah, they have prevented loads to, it is all about intelligence gathering by the government to stop them. | |||
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"what are you saying they've been allowed to win though? a gold medal? first prize? a bet? win what? They want to make us frightened to begin with and turn the uk into an islamic state if you're going to get involved then add summut to the convo instead of spouting your dumb rhetoric ... otherwise be quiet and let shag answer the question himself" So youre supporting these murdering scum now then, what the helldo you think they want ? To give you a clue it aint peace and love | |||
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"what are you saying they've been allowed to win though? a gold medal? first prize? a bet? win what? They want to make us frightened to begin with and turn the uk into an islamic state if you're going to get involved then add summut to the convo instead of spouting your dumb rhetoric ... otherwise be quiet and let shag answer the question himself So youre supporting these murdering scum now then, what the helldo you think they want ? To give you a clue it aint peace and love" that is the most moronic thing you've ever said ... and considering everything you've ever said is moronic then it's an achievement | |||
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"what are you saying they've been allowed to win though? a gold medal? first prize? a bet? win what? They want to make us frightened to begin with and turn the uk into an islamic state if you're going to get involved then add summut to the convo instead of spouting your dumb rhetoric ... otherwise be quiet and let shag answer the question himself So youre supporting these murdering scum now then, what the helldo you think they want ? To give you a clue it aint peace and love that is the most moronic thing you've ever said ... and considering everything you've ever said is moronic then it's an achievement" Have you had too much sauce tonight? Have you never heard the saying when you resort to insults you admit you've lost the arguement ? | |||
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"what are you saying they've been allowed to win though? a gold medal? first prize? a bet? win what? They want to make us frightened to begin with and turn the uk into an islamic state if you're going to get involved then add summut to the convo instead of spouting your dumb rhetoric ... otherwise be quiet and let shag answer the question himself So youre supporting these murdering scum now then, what the helldo you think they want ? To give you a clue it aint peace and love that is the most moronic thing you've ever said ... and considering everything you've ever said is moronic then it's an achievement Have you had too much sauce tonight? Have you never heard the saying when you resort to insults you admit you've lost the arguement ? " i wasn't arguing .... i was telling the truth | |||
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"what are you saying they've been allowed to win though? a gold medal? first prize? a bet? win what? They want to make us frightened to begin with and turn the uk into an islamic state if you're going to get involved then add summut to the convo instead of spouting your dumb rhetoric ... otherwise be quiet and let shag answer the question himself So youre supporting these murdering scum now then, what the helldo you think they want ? To give you a clue it aint peace and love that is the most moronic thing you've ever said ... and considering everything you've ever said is moronic then it's an achievement Have you had too much sauce tonight? Have you never heard the saying when you resort to insults you admit you've lost the arguement ? i wasn't arguing .... i was telling the truth" Ah on the wacky baccy then, heard it makes people delusional | |||
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"what are you saying they've been allowed to win though? a gold medal? first prize? a bet? win what? They want to make us frightened to begin with and turn the uk into an islamic state if you're going to get involved then add summut to the convo instead of spouting your dumb rhetoric ... otherwise be quiet and let shag answer the question himself So youre supporting these murdering scum now then, what the helldo you think they want ? To give you a clue it aint peace and love that is the most moronic thing you've ever said ... and considering everything you've ever said is moronic then it's an achievement Have you had too much sauce tonight? Have you never heard the saying when you resort to insults you admit you've lost the arguement ? i wasn't arguing .... i was telling the truth Ah on the wacky baccy then, heard it makes people delusional "back under the bridge with you | |||
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"what are you saying they've been allowed to win though? a gold medal? first prize? a bet? win what? They want to make us frightened to begin with and turn the uk into an islamic state if you're going to get involved then add summut to the convo instead of spouting your dumb rhetoric ... otherwise be quiet and let shag answer the question himself So youre supporting these murdering scum now then, what the helldo you think they want ? To give you a clue it aint peace and love that is the most moronic thing you've ever said ... and considering everything you've ever said is moronic then it's an achievement Have you had too much sauce tonight? Have you never heard the saying when you resort to insults you admit you've lost the arguement ? i wasn't arguing .... i was telling the truth Ah on the wacky baccy then, heard it makes people delusional
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"Agreed but I'm not talking about comparing British gun law with America I'm drawing the comparison with Spain and it's controlled law which allows ex-Guadia Civil officers to carry hand guns Statistically, I very much doubt it would be effective. I mean the probability of that person being in the right place at the right time. And having their gun on them. And not being pissed (this was a Saturday in an area full of pubs). And being able to successfully use their weapon in time before the killing. Bearing in mind from what I've read of eyewitness reports they literally got out the van after crashing it and started stabbing the nearest people. The fact that the police had all three attackers shot in 8 minutes from the 999 call is incredible. -Matt" 8 mins was exceptional and credit to the British police for their professionalism But that capability could be improved, could be enhanced but obviously the pay-off is more guns on the street - albeit controlled guns in the hands of professional retired officers and select ex military You might be right Matt but supossing the end result was 4 mins or even 2 mins or even less? In the short term less lives lost? or in the longer-term a creation of a bigger problem? | |||
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"Agreed but I'm not talking about comparing British gun law with America I'm drawing the comparison with Spain and it's controlled law which allows ex-Guadia Civil officers to carry hand guns Statistically, I very much doubt it would be effective. I mean the probability of that person being in the right place at the right time. And having their gun on them. And not being pissed (this was a Saturday in an area full of pubs). And being able to successfully use their weapon in time before the killing. Bearing in mind from what I've read of eyewitness reports they literally got out the van after crashing it and started stabbing the nearest people. The fact that the police had all three attackers shot in 8 minutes from the 999 call is incredible. -Matt 8 mins was exceptional and credit to the British police for their professionalism But that capability could be improved, could be enhanced but obviously the pay-off is more guns on the street - albeit controlled guns in the hands of professional retired officers and select ex military You might be right Matt but supossing the end result was 4 mins or even 2 mins or even less? In the short term less lives lost? or in the longer-term a creation of a bigger problem? " Are you kidding ? 
8 minutes exceptional !
mmmm... maybe by British standards , by normal world standards its..... piss poor .... embarrassing in fact !
Any security specialist will tell you that!
Fact was the first policeman, and stab victim to try bravely to stop the 3 attackers was badly wounded (not sure if he died) !
Had he been armed and adequately trained he would dispatched the attackers instantly and saved lives !
Not 8 minutes later... but immediately !
But..... he was UNARMED !
Anyone have doubts? Then I suggest you do the following exercise : Get an audio file of people screaming and asking for help , then turn up the volume of you home sound system or whatever you use , and loop it for a full 8 minutes ! If you want to make it more realistic Take a knife and a chopping block and some carrots , celery or other veggies , and chop away during those 8 minutes !
Now imagine the time you take to chop a carrot equates to stabbing a person ....
Do you now get the notion of the eternity 8 minutes are ?
Have any of you ever heard the saying " never bring a knife to a gun fight "
I saw this being commented on several international news channels ( Portugal, Spain , France, US, Italy, Israel ) and
all concluded the same thing ; The fact the police at the scene were not armed, contributed to more victims !
All also commented that they predict that British policy and tradition of unarmed police needs a rethink !
Remember Paris? they shot at the police with ak47´s ! And the police shot back !
Now imagine the carnage if or when they do the same in the UK ! Its like shooting target practice... shoot a copper .... no worries , they cant shoot back !
Unfortunately for the victims including the brave policeman that faced three knife wielding thugs UNARMED , its too late, and the British public and policy makers will continue to to bury their head in the sand and deny reality....until the next attack ! | |||
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"8 mins was exceptional and credit to the British police for their professionalism " 8 minutes was NOT exceptional... It was either a bloody miracle or the police had foreknowledge of the attack. Reason I say this is even with blues and twos to get through London traffic to the original attack site on London Bridge then to follow the trail of destruction into a packed bar area find the three attackers and kill them within 8 minutes of the first 999 call without being in place prior to the first call really pushes credulity. In my opinion... Remember it took longer than that to kill the Westminster Bridge/Parliament attacker and there were many armed officers protecting parliament within yards of that attack... | |||
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"8 mins was exceptional and credit to the British police for their professionalism 8 minutes was NOT exceptional... It was either a bloody miracle or the police had foreknowledge of the attack. Reason I say this is even with blues and twos to get through London traffic to the original attack site on London Bridge then to follow the trail of destruction into a packed bar area find the three attackers and kill them within 8 minutes of the first 999 call without being in place prior to the first call really pushes credulity. In my opinion... Remember it took longer than that to kill the Westminster Bridge/Parliament attacker and there were many armed officers protecting parliament within yards of that attack..." And then there is the nagging embarrassing question being put by security analysts round the world ..... How many would have been saved had the policeman on site that first bravely confronted them armed .... with a baton had been armed with firearms ? | |||
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"8 mins was exceptional and credit to the British police for their professionalism 8 minutes was NOT exceptional... It was either a bloody miracle or the police had foreknowledge of the attack. Reason I say this is even with blues and twos to get through London traffic to the original attack site on London Bridge then to follow the trail of destruction into a packed bar area find the three attackers and kill them within 8 minutes of the first 999 call without being in place prior to the first call really pushes credulity. In my opinion... Remember it took longer than that to kill the Westminster Bridge/Parliament attacker and there were many armed officers protecting parliament within yards of that attack... And then there is the nagging embarrassing question being put by security analysts round the world ..... How many would have been saved had the policeman on site that first bravely confronted them armed .... with a baton had been armed with firearms ? "And how many people would be killed by routinely armed police discharging firearms inappropriately? I mean, I know we are not the US, and I'm sure our Police Force are very capable people, but it stands to reason that the more firearms around, the greater the chance of civilians being unlawfully killed. The question I guess is which of these two numbers is higher? -Matt | |||
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"8 mins was exceptional and credit to the British police for their professionalism 8 minutes was NOT exceptional... It was either a bloody miracle or the police had foreknowledge of the attack. Reason I say this is even with blues and twos to get through London traffic to the original attack site on London Bridge then to follow the trail of destruction into a packed bar area find the three attackers and kill them within 8 minutes of the first 999 call without being in place prior to the first call really pushes credulity. In my opinion... Remember it took longer than that to kill the Westminster Bridge/Parliament attacker and there were many armed officers protecting parliament within yards of that attack... And then there is the nagging embarrassing question being put by security analysts round the world ..... How many would have been saved had the policeman on site that first bravely confronted them armed .... with a baton had been armed with firearms ?
And how many people would be killed by routinely armed police discharging firearms inappropriately? I mean, I know we are not the US, and I'm sure our Police Force are very capable people, but it stands to reason that the more firearms around, the greater the chance of civilians being unlawfully killed. The question I guess is which of these two numbers is higher?
-Matt"If you need to ask .... then you need to get out of the delusional bubble you are living in ! Forget the US example! All police forces in Europe are armed ! So how many unlawful or mistakes have been reported in the Whole of Europe ? Are you thus implying that Uk police are not as capable as their European counter parts ? IT seems so ... unfortunately ... Yesterday they did hit an innocent bystander ! Now ... if you consider previous shooting screw ups in the UK ... yes they are way above their Euro counterparts ! Why ! Well IMHO , its because of lax training and the wrong mentality ! When carrying a firearm is such a no no , it creates anti gun paranoia ... and over reaction takes over ! I seem to remember an incident some years back. A man was shot dead because it had been reported by someone that he was carrying a gun ! Apparently this guy walked by the pub with a bag containing a wooden leg of an antique table to be fixed. When asked what was in the bag he told, as a joke, that he had a gun in the bag.... Boom ! shoot first ask questions later !
So, better training and specially a proper mindset and why should British police not be armed?
Why even in the face of the sad reality do you continue to deny the obvious ? | |||
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"8 mins was exceptional and credit to the British police for their professionalism 8 minutes was NOT exceptional... It was either a bloody miracle or the police had foreknowledge of the attack. Reason I say this is even with blues and twos to get through London traffic to the original attack site on London Bridge then to follow the trail of destruction into a packed bar area find the three attackers and kill them within 8 minutes of the first 999 call without being in place prior to the first call really pushes credulity. In my opinion... Remember it took longer than that to kill the Westminster Bridge/Parliament attacker and there were many armed officers protecting parliament within yards of that attack... And then there is the nagging embarrassing question being put by security analysts round the world ..... How many would have been saved had the policeman on site that first bravely confronted them armed .... with a baton had been armed with firearms ?
And how many people would be killed by routinely armed police discharging firearms inappropriately? I mean, I know we are not the US, and I'm sure our Police Force are very capable people, but it stands to reason that the more firearms around, the greater the chance of civilians being unlawfully killed. The question I guess is which of these two numbers is higher?
-Matt
If you need to ask .... then you need to get out of the delusional bubble you are living in !
Forget the US example!
All police forces in Europe are armed !
So how many unlawful or mistakes have been reported in the Whole of Europe ?
Are you thus implying that Uk police are not as capable as their European counter parts ? IT seems so ... unfortunately ...
Yesterday they did hit an innocent bystander !
Now ... if you consider previous shooting screw ups in the UK ... yes they are way above their Euro counterparts !
Why ! Well IMHO , its because of lax training and the wrong mentality ! When carrying a firearm is such a no no , it creates anti gun paranoia ... and over reaction takes over ! I seem to remember an incident some years back. A man was shot dead because it had been reported by someone that he was carrying a gun ! Apparently this guy walked by the pub with a bag containing a wooden leg of an antique table to be fixed. When asked what was in the bag he told, as a joke, that he had a gun in the bag....
Boom ! shoot first ask questions later !
So, better training and specially a proper mindset and why should British police not be armed?
Why even in the face of the sad reality do you continue to deny the obvious ? ". The Norwegians aren't armed and neither are the French local police if I remember from when I was last there | |||
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"We are living in the past in the uk. thinking it will never happen were we live but it is and will happen more often it's time for a fully armed police force or atleast in the bigger cities the days of a whistle and truncheon r well and truely in the past. The rest of the world as moved forward its time we do now " | |||
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"8 mins was exceptional and credit to the British police for their professionalism 8 minutes was NOT exceptional... It was either a bloody miracle or the police had foreknowledge of the attack. Reason I say this is even with blues and twos to get through London traffic to the original attack site on London Bridge then to follow the trail of destruction into a packed bar area find the three attackers and kill them within 8 minutes of the first 999 call without being in place prior to the first call really pushes credulity. In my opinion... Remember it took longer than that to kill the Westminster Bridge/Parliament attacker and there were many armed officers protecting parliament within yards of that attack... And then there is the nagging embarrassing question being put by security analysts round the world ..... How many would have been saved had the policeman on site that first bravely confronted them armed .... with a baton had been armed with firearms ?
And how many people would be killed by routinely armed police discharging firearms inappropriately? I mean, I know we are not the US, and I'm sure our Police Force are very capable people, but it stands to reason that the more firearms around, the greater the chance of civilians being unlawfully killed. The question I guess is which of these two numbers is higher?
-Matt
If you need to ask .... then you need to get out of the delusional bubble you are living in !
Forget the US example!
All police forces in Europe are armed !
So how many unlawful or mistakes have been reported in the Whole of Europe ?
Are you thus implying that Uk police are not as capable as their European counter parts ? IT seems so ... unfortunately ...
Yesterday they did hit an innocent bystander !
Now ... if you consider previous shooting screw ups in the UK ... yes they are way above their Euro counterparts !
Why ! Well IMHO , its because of lax training and the wrong mentality ! When carrying a firearm is such a no no , it creates anti gun paranoia ... and over reaction takes over ! I seem to remember an incident some years back. A man was shot dead because it had been reported by someone that he was carrying a gun ! Apparently this guy walked by the pub with a bag containing a wooden leg of an antique table to be fixed. When asked what was in the bag he told, as a joke, that he had a gun in the bag....
Boom ! shoot first ask questions later !
So, better training and specially a proper mindset and why should British police not be armed?
Why even in the face of the sad reality do you continue to deny the obvious ? .
The Norwegians aren't armed and neither are the French local police if I remember from when I was last there"No ! I think you are wrong on both cases, but that is besides the point ! Reality is it would AGAIN have made a difference! How many more must die before Britain wakes up and changes this anomaly ? | |||
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"last thing id want is to militatize the police. i think the police are scared too, just in case they make mistakes which they have done in the past. too many lawsuits expected. but once police privatised expect to see alot more guns " Hold on ..... arming police is not the same as militarising the police ! If that is what you meant , then its wrong ! | |||
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"couldnt make it up. one of the guys he was on" british jhadists next door" a channel 4 documentary" Yup ! I saw that documentary ! It was a bit like ..."I told you so" ! He said they would do it ! So here a question : Next time you have a demonstration like that ..... what should the Police do ? -Protect them as they did from people opposing them . - Arrest the lot for public disorder and hate speech ? Then keep them on a short electronic leash .... or deport the instigators ! - Not accept or allow the demonstration ! Mmmm... any more thoughts ? | |||
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"last thing id want is to militatize the police. i think the police are scared too, just in case they make mistakes which they have done in the past. too many lawsuits expected. but once police privatised expect to see alot more guns Hold on ..... arming police is not the same as militarising the police ! If that is what you meant , then its wrong ! "I think the police should be be armed but I have no confidence in West Midlands police . totally. Incompetent as far as I am concerned mmm something of a problem ! | |||
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"Something to think about... Whilst eight minutes is commendable and impressive, but, nevertheless realistic under the circumstances - the police have a mobilised armed unit present in central London 24/7 - the response time would be three or four times longer in a sleepy rural town or village. It doesn't bear thinking about what could happen. "Do you really believe that armed police could get to a sleepy rural village and neutralise a threat in between 24 (x3) and 32 (x4) mins? Remember that guy who shot the 2 cops? Was it 4 or 8 hours to catch up to and neutralise him??? Just saying... | |||
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"Something to think about... Whilst eight minutes is commendable and impressive, but, nevertheless realistic under the circumstances - the police have a mobilised armed unit present in central London 24/7 - the response time would be three or four times longer in a sleepy rural town or village (at the very least). It doesn't bear thinking about what could happen.
Do you really believe that armed police could get to a sleepy rural village and neutralise a threat in between 24 (x3) and 32 (x4) mins?
Remember that guy who shot the 2 cops?
Was it 4 or 8 hours to catch up to and neutralise him???
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"Something to think about... Whilst eight minutes is commendable and impressive, but, nevertheless realistic under the circumstances - the police have a mobilised armed unit present in central London 24/7 - the response time would be three or four times longer in a sleepy rural town or village (at the very least). It doesn't bear thinking about what could happen.
Do you really believe that armed police could get to a sleepy rural village and neutralise a threat in between 24 (x3) and 32 (x4) mins?
Remember that guy who shot the 2 cops?
Was it 4 or 8 hours to catch up to and neutralise him???
Just saying...
Precisely my point.
I should have added 'at the very least'. "According to May cutting 20,000 (1100 to 1600 arms trained depending on sources) has had no detrimental effect on policing or security... My arse! | |||
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