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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just wanted to make sure you are all aware before anything gets out of hand. If you see it report it.

http://report-it.org.uk/what_is_hate_crime

I am sure we are all responsible adults who takes their duty as good citizens to report any and all forms of hate speech.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Beyond ridiculous.

A hate crime is just a regular crime where some pretends to know the motivation. The motivation, even if you could know it is irrelevant.

A hate incident isn't a crime and therefore there's nothing the police can do. A waste of time and resources.

Two pointless categories created for the sake of the central message: 'report crimes to the police'.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I beg to differ, actually the police can do quite alot, there have been numerous prosecutions on that basis.

I think the police do a stellar job in general under quite tough circumstances. I wish there were more also, and I hope many people here do also.

I support them, does anyone else?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I beg to differ, actually the police can do quite alot, there have been numerous prosecutions on that basis.

I think the police do a stellar job in general under quite tough circumstances. I wish there were more also, and I hope many people here do also.

I support them, does anyone else?

I agree with the police but the current criteria for what counts as a hate crime is non existent. You just report it and they have to log it. It's so the government can use the stats.

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By *wingtolifeCouple
over a year ago

who knows

if only the media were called on it first, they are the most guilty. it seems they are peoples only voice

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

while violence against anyone is wrong I really think some people need to grow a pair.

Perhaps we should go back through the threads on this site and report all those tolerant people who called brexit voters, old thick racists, add in those called fucktards, fuckwits etc etc, seems to me those who call things hate crimes are the worst at chucking insults about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With brexit, hate crime have risen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't we all hate crime? I certainly know I don't like it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My sister works alongside a black fellow who is very incompetent, he's caused numerous workplace accidents, has no real interest or investment in doing his job effectively.. just essentially keeping up appearances by clocking in , clocking out and coasting along picking up pay cheques- forcing others to shoulder the burdens of his work load.

The company won't dismiss him for fear of accusations of racism , he knows this and plays on it .

I have to agree with one of the posters above, assault and harassment are already crimes.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Reported hate crimes in Manchester have doubled since last Monday according to GMP

Guess there is an action reaction element in hate crimes, but then I would say there is also an element of if you are a member of a visible minority then you will attract more scrutiny than if you do not stick out from the crowd and any negative action by a part of a minority will be more noticed than the same action by a member of the majority.

Human psychology seems to hard-wire us to spot the odd ones out and focus our attention on them. I guess tribal savagery is not too far beneath the surface in all of us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Salman Abedi was reported on a number of occasions including the fact of his outrage that a former teacher of his criticised suicide bombers.

In fact it now appears that even the FBI contacted MI5 about him!? Thanks to cringing, grovelling political correctness however these warnings were resolutely ignored as of course it would have been racist to even bring him for an interview!? If the police had brought him in earlier 22 women and children might still be alive while fifty others would have been spared the agony of their life-changing injuries.

Now remind me...about these 'hate crimes'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My kids have experienced hate crimes twice since brexit. Never would i call the police. My son and daughter dealt with one incident themselves. I SORTED the other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Salman Abedi was reported on a number of occasions including the fact of his outrage that a former teacher of his criticised suicide bombers.

Now remind me...about these 'hate crimes'.

It's easy to blame political correctness. Is there any chance they're incapable of doing their jobs? Or law is in the way?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Salman Abedi was reported on a number of occasions including the fact of his outrage that a former teacher of his criticised suicide bombers.

Now remind me...about these 'hate crimes'.

That is exactly what I am talking about, that is why this country need more resources, more police, more specialists in challenging extremists and hate mongers, and we should support our front line services, who do the toughest job.

Reporting hate/extremism is for everyone!. Do not think for a second it is just one section of the british community.

I am sure people are not against the police or security services here.

So you need to report extremist behaviour, by contacting

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

It is our collective responsibility to do so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Salman Abedi was reported on a number of occasions including the fact of his outrage that a former teacher of his criticised suicide bombers.

Now remind me...about these 'hate crimes'.

Reporting hate/extremism is for everyone!. Do not think for a second it is just one section of the british community.

I am sure people are not against the police or security services here.

So you need to report extremist behaviour, by contacting

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

It is our collective responsibility to do so."
What does it achieve reporting it ?.Why not, if you can confront the individual or group .Stand up.Dont walk away and make a phone call ..

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Salman Abedi was reported on a number of occasions including the fact of his outrage that a former teacher of his criticised suicide bombers.

Now remind me...about these 'hate crimes'.

Reporting hate/extremism is for everyone!. Do not think for a second it is just one section of the british community.

I am sure people are not against the police or security services here.

So you need to report extremist behaviour, by contacting

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

It is our collective responsibility to do so. What does it achieve reporting it ?.Why not, if you can confront the individual or group .Stand up.Dont walk away and make a phone call .."

Signs of radicalisation and hate crimes are not the same thing

Having an outrage is not a crime.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My kids have experienced hate crimes twice since brexit. Never would i call the police. My son and daughter dealt with one incident themselves. I SORTED the other."

Wasn't that a hate crime in its own right then?

I am making a serious point. Any act of violence or vandalism is a hate crime. Its just another label.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Salman Abedi was reported on a number of occasions including the fact of his outrage that a former teacher of his criticised suicide bombers.

Now remind me...about these 'hate crimes'.

Reporting hate/extremism is for everyone!. Do not think for a second it is just one section of the british community.

I am sure people are not against the police or security services here.

So you need to report extremist behaviour, by contacting

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

It is our collective responsibility to do so. What does it achieve reporting it ?.Why not, if you can confront the individual or group .Stand up.Dont walk away and make a phone call ..

Signs of radicalisation and hate crimes are not the same thing

Having an outrage is not a crime. "
ive never met a radicalized person.I have met people who hate others because of skin colour.I wouldn't waste my time reporting the shit ive seen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My kids have experienced hate crimes twice since brexit. Never would i call the police. My son and daughter dealt with one incident themselves. I SORTED the other.

Wasn't that a hate crime in its own right then?

I am making a serious point. Any act of violence or vandalism is a hate crime. Its just another label."

Hate crime has become to be regarded as being against someone because of their race/colour/belief/disability/appearance etc....that's why people are hesitant to report people who fall into these categories for fear of being blamed for the same themselves.

This is a perception perpetrated by media, (left wing) liberalism etc but has become accepted by aspects of law enforcement.

It's almost like the "you can't be racist if your black" kind of thinking .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My kids have experienced hate crimes twice since brexit. Never would i call the police. My son and daughter dealt with one incident themselves. I SORTED the other.

Wasn't that a hate crime in its own right then?

I am making a serious point. Any act of violence or vandalism is a hate crime. Its just another label."
I doubt the individuals confronted bothered reporting it .If they felt that way.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Salman Abedi was reported on a number of occasions including the fact of his outrage that a former teacher of his criticised suicide bombers.

Now remind me...about these 'hate crimes'.

Reporting hate/extremism is for everyone!. Do not think for a second it is just one section of the british community.

I am sure people are not against the police or security services here.

So you need to report extremist behaviour, by contacting

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

It is our collective responsibility to do so. What does it achieve reporting it ?.Why not, if you can confront the individual or group .Stand up.Dont walk away and make a phone call .."

Well you can do both with mobile phones now

I would never condone vigilante/street justice, I think you should be reporting it, no one is above the law, not even us.

We are not trained in dealing with situations like that, we need to be speaking to the police and law enforcement agencies to prevent hate and extremism, because we need to stop the threats our communities.

We need to get a grip with reality, we need to support our police and law enforcement, if we do not use the structures to report crime and prevent it, we are losing the battle.

So support our police and law enforcment agencies.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Salman Abedi was reported on a number of occasions including the fact of his outrage that a former teacher of his criticised suicide bombers.

Now remind me...about these 'hate crimes'.

Reporting hate/extremism is for everyone!. Do not think for a second it is just one section of the british community.

I am sure people are not against the police or security services here.

So you need to report extremist behaviour, by contacting

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

It is our collective responsibility to do so. What does it achieve reporting it ?.Why not, if you can confront the individual or group .Stand up.Dont walk away and make a phone call ..

Signs of radicalisation and hate crimes are not the same thing

Having an outrage is not a crime. ive never met a radicalized person.I have met people who hate others because of skin colour.I wouldn't waste my time reporting the shit ive seen."

You don't need a reason to hate someone, hating people isn't a crime unless we are doing thought crimes now? It's the acting upon your hate that creates the crime.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reporting hate/extremism is for everyone!. Do not think for a second it is just one section of the british community.

I am sure people are not against the police or security services here.

So you need to report extremist behaviour, by contacting

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

It is our collective responsibility to do so."

I don't disagree.

I was listening to BBC radio last week. On Tuesday morning 5 Live's revolting Rachael Burden said as early as 6.00 am live on radio that the massacre had "brought communities together"!? On Thursday morning they broadcast muslims whingeing about Prevent and on Saturday morning R4 reported that GMP had reported that there had been a "spike in hate crimes" which their muslim guest completely missing the irony of his comment said were common after Europe-wide koran-inspired massacres.

The BBC and the GMP with their despicable PC propaganda left me wondering which the government and police considered to be worse: a 'hate crime' (e.g. someone throwing paint on a door) or someone killing and maiming children and their parents with shrapnel-laced high explosives!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Salman Abedi was reported on a number of occasions including the fact of his outrage that a former teacher of his criticised suicide bombers.

Now remind me...about these 'hate crimes'.

Reporting hate/extremism is for everyone!. Do not think for a second it is just one section of the british community.

I am sure people are not against the police or security services here.

So you need to report extremist behaviour, by contacting

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

It is our collective responsibility to do so. What does it achieve reporting it ?.Why not, if you can confront the individual or group .Stand up.Dont walk away and make a phone call ..

Signs of radicalisation and hate crimes are not the same thing

Having an outrage is not a crime. ive never met a radicalized person.I have met people who hate others because of skin colour.I wouldn't waste my time reporting the shit ive seen.

You don't need a reason to hate someone, hating people isn't a crime unless we are doing thought crimes now? It's the acting upon your hate that creates the crime. "
Well thats standard.If your prepared to vocalise your hate by abuseing someone. You're acting upon it.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Salman Abedi was reported on a number of occasions including the fact of his outrage that a former teacher of his criticised suicide bombers.

Now remind me...about these 'hate crimes'.

Reporting hate/extremism is for everyone!. Do not think for a second it is just one section of the british community.

I am sure people are not against the police or security services here.

So you need to report extremist behaviour, by contacting

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

It is our collective responsibility to do so. What does it achieve reporting it ?.Why not, if you can confront the individual or group .Stand up.Dont walk away and make a phone call ..

Signs of radicalisation and hate crimes are not the same thing

Having an outrage is not a crime. ive never met a radicalized person.I have met people who hate others because of skin colour.I wouldn't waste my time reporting the shit ive seen.

You don't need a reason to hate someone, hating people isn't a crime unless we are doing thought crimes now? It's the acting upon your hate that creates the crime. Well thats standard.If your prepared to vocalise your hate by abuseing someone. You're acting upon it."

Yes but most of us are perfectly capable of holding the majority of the population in contempt without acting upon it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Reporting hate/extremism is for everyone!. Do not think for a second it is just one section of the british community.

I am sure people are not against the police or security services here.

So you need to report extremist behaviour, by contacting

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

It is our collective responsibility to do so.

I don't disagree.

You need to stop all crime, again I point out in order for law and order to be effective, you cannot be as relaxed on the what people consider minor crimes.

Justice is blind for a reason, it does not take into account who or what you are, if you commit the crime, you are punishable under the eyes of the law. Simple as.

The law is not selective, they are there for general public safety, that is the social contract we have and as responsible people we must help enforce the norms and values of this great nation.

So to live in a fair and tolerant society, we must support our law enforcement agencies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Salman Abedi was reported on a number of occasions including the fact of his outrage that a former teacher of his criticised suicide bombers.

Now remind me...about these 'hate crimes'.

Reporting hate/extremism is for everyone!. Do not think for a second it is just one section of the british community.

I am sure people are not against the police or security services here.

So you need to report extremist behaviour, by contacting

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

It is our collective responsibility to do so. What does it achieve reporting it ?.Why not, if you can confront the individual or group .Stand up.Dont walk away and make a phone call ..

Signs of radicalisation and hate crimes are not the same thing

Having an outrage is not a crime. ive never met a radicalized person.I have met people who hate others because of skin colour.I wouldn't waste my time reporting the shit ive seen.

Yes but most of us are perfectly capable of holding the majority of the population in contempt without acting upon it."
Ive never acted upon a thought crime.I will like most parents act if someone attempts to abuse their child in public .Standard for everyone i know.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Salman Abedi was reported on a number of occasions including the fact of his outrage that a former teacher of his criticised suicide bombers.

Now remind me...about these 'hate crimes'.

Reporting hate/extremism is for everyone!. Do not think for a second it is just one section of the british community.

I am sure people are not against the police or security services here.

So you need to report extremist behaviour, by contacting

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

It is our collective responsibility to do so. What does it achieve reporting it ?.Why not, if you can confront the individual or group .Stand up.Dont walk away and make a phone call ..

Signs of radicalisation and hate crimes are not the same thing

Having an outrage is not a crime. ive never met a radicalized person.I have met people who hate others because of skin colour.I wouldn't waste my time reporting the shit ive seen.

Yes but most of us are perfectly capable of holding the majority of the population in contempt without acting upon it."

There is a fine line between thoughts and actions, however allowing it to happen because of those thoughts prevented you from reporting it is self defeating, and it allows those want to do harm think they are winning.

If we all want to make sure that we can all live safely from threats we need to be more active in reporting crimes so use it

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

https://www.gov.uk/report-terrorism

http://www.report-it.org.uk/your_police_force

So work with our law enforcement and support them. Help them, help protect and serve us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just wanted to make sure you are all aware before anything gets out of hand. If you see it report it.

http://report-it.org.uk/what_is_hate_crime

I am sure we are all responsible adults who takes their duty as good citizens to report any and all forms of hate speech. "

So.. What if someone shouts something bazed on their target being overweight? Or shouting'ya thick bastard' etc..? Is that a hate crime

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just wanted to make sure you are all aware before anything gets out of hand. If you see it report it.

http://report-it.org.uk/what_is_hate_crime

I am sure we are all responsible adults who takes their duty as good citizens to report any and all forms of hate speech.

So.. What if someone shouts something bazed on their target being overweight? Or shouting'ya thick bastard' etc..? Is that a hate crime"

If so 5he we'd need an extra million police on the streets

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think as adults we have been brought up with a sense of right and wrong, we should know the difference.

If it means that we can stop criminals yes I would be happy to support that, If it means it acts as a deterrent to would be criminals, then yes I support that also.

I say reporting crime is important so police and government can tackle the causes and stop it from happening.

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By *wingtolifeCouple
over a year ago

who knows

we have laws in place for a lot of these things, seems we are creating a snow flake generation and seems to report on anything.

bit similar with the nhs with people going to hospital with the most silly reasons, nothing a trip to boots or pharmacist can provide.

instead of wasting valuable proffessional time

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I think as adults we have been brought up with a sense of right and wrong, we should know the difference.

If it means that we can stop criminals yes I would be happy to support that, If it means it acts as a deterrent to would be criminals, then yes I support that also.

I say reporting crime is important so police and government can tackle the causes and stop it from happening."

If you look into it, a rational objective person will realise the regular police have no resources to prevent crime or tackle the causes. They have been stipped of discretion, remit and resources. They are predominantly a reactive force who document evidence for later use in court.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"we have laws in place for a lot of these things, seems we are creating a snow flake generation and seems to report on anything.

bit similar with the nhs with people going to hospital with the most silly reasons, nothing a trip to boots or pharmacist can provide.

instead of wasting valuable proffessional time"

True, there is no burden of proof that a hate crime has to be motivated by hate. It's just an ordinary crime where the alledged victim feels that it might have been motivated by hate.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think as adults we have been brought up with a sense of right and wrong, we should know the difference.

If it means that we can stop criminals yes I would be happy to support that, If it means it acts as a deterrent to would be criminals, then yes I support that also.

I say reporting crime is important so police and government can tackle the causes and stop it from happening.

So a solution would be to support law enforcement and provide extra resources though funding to help them in their efforts to maintain law and order, and stop crime. I think people fail to see the work they do on a regualr basis, the many things they do already.

Like I said we must do our job to help fight crime also, and only by reporting and informing law enforcement, do we actually provide the evidence to ask for the investment needed.

Tackling crime and the causes of crime is a responsibility for everyone. So our duty as civilians is clear we support and report.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"we have laws in place for a lot of these things, seems we are creating a snow flake generation and seems to report on anything.

bit similar with the nhs with people going to hospital with the most silly reasons, nothing a trip to boots or pharmacist can provide.

instead of wasting valuable proffessional time

True, there is no burden of proof that a hate crime has to be motivated by hate. It's just an ordinary crime where the alledged victim feels that it might have been motivated by hate. "

So why is it considered a crime then? There must be some truth to what is going on, if not then it would not be a crime?

Crimes may not be perceived by the perpetrator as crimes, and that is where in lies the problem.

Our shared values and through societal consensus has agreed we must all follow the same laws if we are to live in this country. Those who commit these crimes must be punished.

Therefore we must do our duty as citizens to ensure we support and inform our law enforcement agencies of crimes against our shared norms and values. Isn't that right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A little bit of civil courage makes society a better place.

Speak up in situations marked by injustice and racist discrimination instead of relying on others to do the job for you.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I think as adults we have been brought up with a sense of right and wrong, we should know the difference.

If it means that we can stop criminals yes I would be happy to support that, If it means it acts as a deterrent to would be criminals, then yes I support that also.

I say reporting crime is important so police and government can tackle the causes and stop it from happening.

Like I said we must do our job to help fight crime also, and only by reporting and informing law enforcement, do we actually provide the evidence to ask for the investment needed.

Tackling crime and the causes of crime is a responsibility for everyone. So our duty as civilians is clear we support and report.

Last time i checked the police were already 100% taxpayer funded. If you think they need more taxpayer funds then maybe speak to your MP rather than fab forums.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"we have laws in place for a lot of these things, seems we are creating a snow flake generation and seems to report on anything.

bit similar with the nhs with people going to hospital with the most silly reasons, nothing a trip to boots or pharmacist can provide.

instead of wasting valuable proffessional time

True, there is no burden of proof that a hate crime has to be motivated by hate. It's just an ordinary crime where the alledged victim feels that it might have been motivated by hate.

So why is it considered a crime then? There must be some truth to what is going on, if not then it would not be a crime?

Crimes may not be perceived by the perpetrator as crimes, and that is where in lies the problem.

Our shared values and through societal consensus has agreed we must all follow the same laws if we are to live in this country. Those who commit these crimes must be punished.

Therefore we must do our duty as citizens to ensure we support and inform our law enforcement agencies of crimes against our shared norms and values. Isn't that right?"

What on earth are you talking about? If i punch someone, it's a crime. If i punch someone who is a different colour to me, they might assume that's that causes and record it as a hate crime but ultimately it's still exactly the same crime.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"we have laws in place for a lot of these things, seems we are creating a snow flake generation and seems to report on anything.

bit similar with the nhs with people going to hospital with the most silly reasons, nothing a trip to boots or pharmacist can provide.

instead of wasting valuable proffessional time

True, there is no burden of proof that a hate crime has to be motivated by hate. It's just an ordinary crime where the alledged victim feels that it might have been motivated by hate.

So why is it considered a crime then? There must be some truth to what is going on, if not then it would not be a crime?

Crimes may not be perceived by the perpetrator as crimes, and that is where in lies the problem.

Our shared values and through societal consensus has agreed we must all follow the same laws if we are to live in this country. Those who commit these crimes must be punished.

Therefore we must do our duty as citizens to ensure we support and inform our law enforcement agencies of crimes against our shared norms and values. Isn't that right?

What if you only punch people of a different colour?

Or pour petrol through the letter box of a wheel chair bound person because the council put in a parking place for them..?

Crime is crime yes but some who target others because the are not only scrote's but racist, homophobes and hate disabled people cos they get everything off the state surely deserve that to be recorded lest we end with us with some arseholes getting just a caution or something because they just punch people a lot..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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Not you. They..

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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago

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"Salman Abedi was reported on a number of occasions including the fact of his outrage that a former teacher of his criticised suicide bombers.

Now remind me...about these 'hate crimes'.

Reporting hate/extremism is for everyone!. Do not think for a second it is just one section of the british community.

I am sure people are not against the police or security services here.

So you need to report extremist behaviour, by contacting

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/

It is our collective responsibility to do so. What does it achieve reporting it ?.Why not, if you can confront the individual or group .Stand up.Dont walk away and make a phone call ..

Signs of radicalisation and hate crimes are not the same thing

Having an outrage is not a crime. ive never met a radicalized person.I have met people who hate others because of skin colour.I wouldn't waste my time reporting the shit ive seen.

Yes but most of us are perfectly capable of holding the majority of the population in contempt without acting upon it. Ive never acted upon a thought crime.I will like most parents act if someone attempts to abuse their child in public .Standard for everyone i know."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think as adults we have been brought up with a sense of right and wrong, we should know the difference.

If it means that we can stop criminals yes I would be happy to support that, If it means it acts as a deterrent to would be criminals, then yes I support that also.

I say reporting crime is important so police and government can tackle the causes and stop it from happening.

Like I said we must do our job to help fight crime also, and only by reporting and informing law enforcement, do we actually provide the evidence to ask for the investment needed.

Tackling crime and the causes of crime is a responsibility for everyone. So our duty as civilians is clear we support and report.

Last time i checked the police were already 100% taxpayer funded. If you think they need more taxpayer funds then maybe speak to your MP rather than fab forums. "

Yes and we must provide more money to them, I just wanted to put it out that we as a society need to do more, the MP's know already, but information needs to be disseminated and people should know the right places to report incidents. We need to prevent crime from occuring, so reporting it needs to be done. Its our duty to ensure a safe and secure place, therefore we must support and inform.

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over a year ago

st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal

"we have laws in place for a lot of these things, seems we are creating a snow flake generation and seems to report on anything.

bit similar with the nhs with people going to hospital with the most silly reasons, nothing a trip to boots or pharmacist can provide.

instead of wasting valuable proffessional time"

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over a year ago

st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal

"we have laws in place for a lot of these things, seems we are creating a snow flake generation and seems to report on anything.

bit similar with the nhs with people going to hospital with the most silly reasons, nothing a trip to boots or pharmacist can provide.

instead of wasting valuable proffessional time

True, there is no burden of proof that a hate crime has to be motivated by hate. It's just an ordinary crime where the alledged victim feels that it might have been motivated by hate.

So why is it considered a crime then? There must be some truth to what is going on, if not then it would not be a crime?

Crimes may not be perceived by the perpetrator as crimes, and that is where in lies the problem.

Our shared values and through societal consensus has agreed we must all follow the same laws if we are to live in this country. Those who commit these crimes must be punished.

Therefore we must do our duty as citizens to ensure we support and inform our law enforcement agencies of crimes against our shared norms and values. Isn't that right?

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over a year ago

"we have laws in place for a lot of these things, seems we are creating a snow flake generation and seems to report on anything.

bit similar with the nhs with people going to hospital with the most silly reasons, nothing a trip to boots or pharmacist can provide.

instead of wasting valuable proffessional time

True, there is no burden of proof that a hate crime has to be motivated by hate. It's just an ordinary crime where the alledged victim feels that it might have been motivated by hate.

So why is it considered a crime then? There must be some truth to what is going on, if not then it would not be a crime?

Crimes may not be perceived by the perpetrator as crimes, and that is where in lies the problem.

Our shared values and through societal consensus has agreed we must all follow the same laws if we are to live in this country. Those who commit these crimes must be punished.

Therefore we must do our duty as citizens to ensure we support and inform our law enforcement agencies of crimes against our shared norms and values. Isn't that right?

What if you only punch people of a different colour?

Or pour petrol through the letter box of a wheel chair bound person because the council put in a parking place for them..?

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The law is reason free from passion, therefore the law needs to ensure that the right information is provided to ensure the law is accurate and the punishment fits the crime.

I feel many people are afraid of speaking out against crimes, and I think we need to support our law enforement agencies in identifying and capturing the right information to stop criminals from believing they are above the law and immune.

If we cannot classify the type of crime, however are we ever to defeat it? Its like telling law enforcement to stop a thief with both arms tied behind their back.

Law enforcement need facts, so we must report and inform, and provide more money to law enforcement.

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over a year ago

st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal

"I think as adults we have been brought up with a sense of right and wrong, we should know the difference.

If it means that we can stop criminals yes I would be happy to support that, If it means it acts as a deterrent to would be criminals, then yes I support that also.

I say reporting crime is important so police and government can tackle the causes and stop it from happening.

Like I said we must do our job to help fight crime also, and only by reporting and informing law enforcement, do we actually provide the evidence to ask for the investment needed.

Tackling crime and the causes of crime is a responsibility for everyone. So our duty as civilians is clear we support and report.

Last time i checked the police were already 100% taxpayer funded. If you think they need more taxpayer funds then maybe speak to your MP rather than fab forums.

I don't agree!

Doing more does not equate to more money ! Sometimes its actually the opposite!

For me, doing more as a society , means all have to have and accept individual responsibility !

That means education , respect , for others , and two simple principles !

-My freedom ends where yours begins !

-Dont do to others , what you wouldn't want others to do to you !

Apply these two , and you will be fine !

There will always be people that will be abusive and not respect others , and if we are permissive , they will continue and only get worse !

This new notion of "reporting" everything is making things worse, not better!

Never mind the fact it has a very "Orwellian" tint , but its actually starting to be a "thought police" of sorts, even starting to function as a form of censorship!!

As some have put, expressing you sentiment is one thing , acting it out is another !

Only yesterday I was watching a documentary on how this form of reporting all, and the PC attitude that comes with it ,is creating in the Millennial generation the notion that free speech should be curbed !

Over 50% thought that limiting free speech is acceptable if it prevents "hate speech" !

Its time peolple start taking responsibility for their actions as individuals ,and active members of society, and stop delegating that to the Police and government!

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over a year ago

st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal

"The law is reason free from passion, therefore the law needs to ensure that the right information is provided to ensure the law is accurate and the punishment fits the crime.

If we cannot classify the type of crime, however are we ever to defeat it? Its like telling law enforcement to stop a thief with both arms tied behind their back.

Law enforcement need facts, so we must report and inform, and provide more money to law enforcement."

I don't like your tone.... its a bit too "too police state" for my comfort ....

We , or most can tell right from wrong !

If you/anyone need/s the law to tell you that, then there is something very wrong with you !

Its know that very often what is legal isn't necessarily right or just , and what is right and just , isn't legal !

That is why there are laws and moral principles!

Putting your trust in the law and the police/authorities alone is a very dangerous thing !

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"I think as adults we have been brought up with a sense of right and wrong, we should know the difference.

If it means that we can stop criminals yes I would be happy to support that, If it means it acts as a deterrent to would be criminals, then yes I support that also.

I say reporting crime is important so police and government can tackle the causes and stop it from happening.

Like I said we must do our job to help fight crime also, and only by reporting and informing law enforcement, do we actually provide the evidence to ask for the investment needed.

Tackling crime and the causes of crime is a responsibility for everyone. So our duty as civilians is clear we support and report.

Last time i checked the police were already 100% taxpayer funded. If you think they need more taxpayer funds then maybe speak to your MP rather than fab forums.

I don't agree!

Doing more does not equate to more money ! Sometimes its actually the opposite!

For me, doing more as a society , means all have to have and accept individual responsibility !

That means education , respect , for others , and two simple principles !

-My freedom ends where yours begins !

-Dont do to others , what you wouldn't want others to do to you !

Apply these two , and you will be fine !

There will always be people that will be abusive and not respect others , and if we are permissive , they will continue and only get worse !

This new notion of "reporting" everything is making things worse, not better!

Never mind the fact it has a very "Orwellian" tint , but its actually starting to be a "thought police" of sorts, even starting to function as a form of censorship!!

As some have put, expressing you sentiment is one thing , acting it out is another !

Over 50% thought that limiting free speech is acceptable if it prevents "hate speech" !

Its time peolple start taking responsibility for their actions as individuals ,and active members of society, and stop delegating that to the Police and government!

You are nearly there on a lot of the things you are saying. There is a fine line between though and actions, however thought is the primary driver of action so we must guard against anyone who tries to stop that thought turning into action

If we report, we are essentially doing our duty as citizens, the police and government are a important to law and order. So we must ensure that we are doing our duty.

It may be considered not cool to report and inform on people who do good people harm, but I believe we must tell the police what is going on if something wrong is happening. If you do not then you are just as guilty.

It does not matter what who or what you are, people should not be afraid of reporting crimes.

Terrible things can happen. We have to protect the UK from those who mean to do us harm, so we need to make sure.

Why should people be intimidated from reporting criminal activity for? It only perpetuates the evil that is done, the victims suffer, because justice is not being done.

So yes it is right to report criminal activity no matter how small or big. Crime is crime, and it takes a united effort to prevent it.