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 I voted UKIP last time and I will vote Conservative this time , to try and get the Hardest Brexit !
There I've said it !
However I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's the firegone conclusion the majority if us thought !
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"Il Nail my Coulers I voted UKIP last time and I will vote Conservative this time , to try and get the Hardest Brexit !
There I've said it !
However I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's the firegone conclusion the majority if us thought !
Your thoughts ? "Any such question is a matter of probability. The limits of the physical and neurobiological world are not fully understood yet, ergo anything is possible since everything we know could be wrong. | |||
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"Il Nail my Coulers I voted UKIP last time and I will vote Conservative this time , to try and get the Hardest Brexit !
There I've said it !
However I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's the firegone conclusion the majority if us thought !
Your thoughts ?
Any such question is a matter of probability. The limits of the physical and neurobiological world are not fully understood yet, ergo anything is possible since everything we know could be wrong. ". Stop fucking with his head and give him an answer in plain old English.. Yes/no  .
I'm going to predict a maybe | |||
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"Il Nail my Coulers I voted UKIP last time and I will vote Conservative this time , to try and get the Hardest Brexit !
There I've said it !
However I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's the firegone conclusion the majority if us thought !
Your thoughts ? "Yku would be voting for the party rather than her, but regrettably they will win, just debatable by how big the majority will be | |||
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"Il Nail my Coulers I voted UKIP last time and I will vote Conservative this time , to try and get the Hardest Brexit !
There I've said it !
However I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's the firegone conclusion the majority if us thought !
Your thoughts ?
Any such question is a matter of probability. The limits of the physical and neurobiological world are not fully understood yet, ergo anything is possible since everything we know could be wrong. .
Stop fucking with his head and give him an answer in plain old English.. Yes/no .
I'm going to predict a maybe "The answer to any question that starts "could x happen" is yes | |||
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"Il Nail my Coulers I voted UKIP last time and I will vote Conservative this time , to try and get the Hardest Brexit !
There I've said it !
However I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's the firegone conclusion the majority if us thought !
Your thoughts ?
Any such question is a matter of probability. The limits of the physical and neurobiological world are not fully understood yet, ergo anything is possible since everything we know could be wrong. .
Stop fucking with his head and give him an answer in plain old English.. Yes/no .
I'm going to predict a maybe
The answer to any question that starts "could x happen" is yes". So your saying yes he'll win!. That's good enough for me | |||
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"Il Nail my Coulers I voted UKIP last time and I will vote Conservative this time , to try and get the Hardest Brexit !
There I've said it !
However I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's the firegone conclusion the majority if us thought !
Your thoughts ?
Any such question is a matter of probability. The limits of the physical and neurobiological world are not fully understood yet, ergo anything is possible since everything we know could be wrong. .
Stop fucking with his head and give him an answer in plain old English.. Yes/no .
I'm going to predict a maybe
The answer to any question that starts "could x happen" is yes.
So your saying yes he'll win!.
That's good enough for me "No I'm saying it's a stupid question that belongs on the BBC with people who want endless and pointless debates | |||
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"Im sure the media will help him and the daft students who dont have the ability to do sums or realise he will tax them to death when/if they can bag a good job. Sorry folks i still see him as an EU vote stealer along with sturen and farrel" I'm not sure why the media will suddenly help him when they have spent so long trying to discredit him. I bet you are one of those people that believe our media is left wing? As for the students, I think you have hit upon a fundamental difference in viewpoint there. A lot of people are *happy* to pay higher taxes if they see a fairer society and better services and standard of living as a result. They realise that there is no such thing as a free lunch and these things have to be paid for somehow. Hence why they might be supportive of Labour as they have actually costed their manifesto, whereas May seems to be just hoping that the words 'strong and stable' will pay for things. -Matt | |||
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"Il Nail my Coulers I voted UKIP last time and I will vote Conservative this time , to try and get the Hardest Brexit !
There I've said it !
However I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's the firegone conclusion the majority if us thought !
Your thoughts ?
Any such question is a matter of probability. The limits of the physical and neurobiological world are not fully understood yet, ergo anything is possible since everything we know could be wrong. .
Stop fucking with his head and give him an answer in plain old English.. Yes/no .
I'm going to predict a maybe
The answer to any question that starts "could x happen" is yes.
So your saying yes he'll win!.
That's good enough for me
No I'm saying it's a stupid question that belongs on the BBC with people who want endless and pointless debates "ok maybe I should have said who thinks Corbyn could actually Win ? I thought he had zero chance I now think he has a slim chance but a chance ! | |||
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"Il Nail my Coulers I voted UKIP last time and I will vote Conservative this time , to try and get the Hardest Brexit !
There I've said it !
However I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's the firegone conclusion the majority if us thought !
Your thoughts ?
Any such question is a matter of probability. The limits of the physical and neurobiological world are not fully understood yet, ergo anything is possible since everything we know could be wrong. .
Stop fucking with his head and give him an answer in plain old English.. Yes/no .
I'm going to predict a maybe
The answer to any question that starts "could x happen" is yes.
So your saying yes he'll win!.
That's good enough for me
No I'm saying it's a stupid question that belongs on the BBC with people who want endless and pointless debates ok maybe I should have said who thinks Corbyn could actually Win ?
I thought he had zero chance I now think he has a slim chance but a chance ! "What is the probability corbyn will win? We could measure the predictions over time and see whose opinion is better than others at predicting politics | |||
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"Im sure the media will help him and the daft students who dont have the ability to do sums or realise he will tax them to death when/if they can bag a good job. Sorry folks i still see him as an EU vote stealer along with sturen and farrel I'm not sure why the media will suddenly help him when they have spent so long trying to discredit him. I bet you are one of those people that believe our media is left wing? As for the students, I think you have hit upon a fundamental difference in viewpoint there. A lot of people are *happy* to pay higher taxes if they see a fairer society and better services and standard of living as a result. They realise that there is no such thing as a free lunch and these things have to be paid for somehow. Hence why they might be supportive of Labour as they have actually costed their manifesto, whereas May seems to be just hoping that the words 'strong and stable' will pay for things. -Matt" The uk media has some right wing supporters and some left wing, certainly in my view the bbc are really biased. As for fairness what is fair about mr/ms a paying tax on a lowish salary so mr/ms b can earn a lot more after having a jolly for three years, its a bit like a business asking potential customers to invest in that business just in case they might want to buy something from them in future. A business invests in its own future and doesnt expect the tax payer to take on that risk or pay for it despite the fact that the business may well employ many people, its just a another example of the wanting something for nothing generation. However I am happy to pay for the training and degrees of medical staff | |||
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"I'd put my money on Corbyn after watching those interviews may didn't really have anything of substance to say apart from attacking the labour the partyou....she couldnt handle one interview but she wants us to believe she can handle the eu 27 ..." I don't disagree with your analysis but do you really think those interviews change the minds of many voters? | |||
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"Im sure the media will help him and the daft students who dont have the ability to do sums or realise he will tax them to death when/if they can bag a good job. Sorry folks i still see him as an EU vote stealer along with sturen and farrel I'm not sure why the media will suddenly help him when they have spent so long trying to discredit him. I bet you are one of those people that believe our media is left wing? As for the students, I think you have hit upon a fundamental difference in viewpoint there. A lot of people are *happy* to pay higher taxes if they see a fairer society and better services and standard of living as a result. They realise that there is no such thing as a free lunch and these things have to be paid for somehow. Hence why they might be supportive of Labour as they have actually costed their manifesto, whereas May seems to be just hoping that the words 'strong and stable' will pay for things. -Matt" The IFS disagrees that it's costed, a minimum of £9bn shortfall they say. What's your view on the laffer curve? | |||
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"Tho without P R , it all depends where the votes are ! Remember U K I P came third on votes last time and got One seat !" Because they could only manage to get the most votes in just one constituency and who's fault is that? UKIP's that's who. | |||
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"Tho without P R , it all depends where the votes are ! Remember U K I P came third on votes last time and got One seat ! Because they could only manage to get the most votes in just one constituency and who's fault is that? UKIP's that's who. " no it's a ridicules undemocratic system ! The Greens are also unrepresented compared to the Votes they got ! | |||
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"Tho without P R , it all depends where the votes are ! Remember U K I P came third on votes last time and got One seat ! Because they could only manage to get the most votes in just one constituency and who's fault is that? UKIP's that's who. no it's a ridicules undemocratic system ! The Greens are also unrepresented compared to the Votes they got ! " So to have pure PR would you have constituencies scrapped and just a pure vote for Government then and share out the MP's acording to vote share... BUT what would MP's actually do if they didn't have a constituency or would they just be dished out tombola style too  | |||
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"Yes, he could, labour is gaining momentum  "They've lost seats at every single election since 1997, the next stop is irrelevance | |||
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"Tho without P R , it all depends where the votes are ! Remember U K I P came third on votes last time and got One seat ! Because they could only manage to get the most votes in just one constituency and who's fault is that? UKIP's that's who. no it's a ridicules undemocratic system ! The Greens are also unrepresented compared to the Votes they got ! " 1 milion green voters.. | |||
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"Tho without P R , it all depends where the votes are ! Remember U K I P came third on votes last time and got One seat ! Because they could only manage to get the most votes in just one constituency and who's fault is that? UKIP's that's who. no it's a ridicules undemocratic system ! The Greens are also unrepresented compared to the Votes they got ! So to have pure PR would you have constituencies scrapped and just a pure vote for Government then and share out the MP's acording to vote share... BUT what would MP's actually do if they didn't have a constituency or would they just be dished out tombola style too "we have councillors for local issues ! The parties could allocate thier MPs to areas where thier vote was strong ! Yes I know it wouldn't be that simple , but at least all votes would count for something ! | |||
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They've lost seats at every single election since 1997, the next stop is irrelevance "That is right, but this is the final curtain call for the future for the young ones, the reason tony lost in 97 was cos he was bullied to give it to gordon brown, he was the downfall of labour. | |||
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"Tho without P R , it all depends where the votes are ! Remember U K I P came third on votes last time and got One seat ! Because they could only manage to get the most votes in just one constituency and who's fault is that? UKIP's that's who. no it's a ridicules undemocratic system ! The Greens are also unrepresented compared to the Votes they got ! 1 milion green voters.. "yes and one seat ! This is wrong ! | |||
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"All the elections recently.are showing the public want a big change. Corbyn is not a EU supporter so I think sensible brexit voters may find him acceptable So yes I think Labour could prevent a Tory landslide And I think that's a very.good thing for this country. It will force May to listen to folks other than UKIP " If you're referring to trump and brexit, those were nationalist movements not "let's rekindle the 70's and hug" | |||
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" So to have pure PR would you have constituencies scrapped and just a pure vote for Government then and share out the MP's acording to vote share... BUT what would MP's actually do if they didn't have a constituency or would they just be dished out tombola style too "So in your view Suity how would you dish out constituencies MP's etc ? Would you give a UKIP MP a heavy labour majority constituency, or a safe Tory constituency to BNP ? | |||
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"Corbyn can't even unite his party, how could he possibly run a country? He resonates with a young idealistic and vocal minority but beyond the hubris of the aforementioned.. most of the voting public who don't belong to certain minorities he panders to and the masochistic neoloberals who wear that particular minority as accessories to polish their neoliberal credentials.. Most of the electorate seem to harbour deep reservations and misgivings about him and view him as a spineless apologist without decisiveness or any real conviction. He might get more votes due to more people qualifying for the vote as they have come of voting age since the last election.. but failing an unexpected scandal that forfeits the Tories, not enough to form a majority. " Corbyn have more balls and more dignity than the whole of the tories ....no deal is better than a good deal ....we have to be careful because no deal could be have catastrophic consequences....both was said by the prime minister weeks apart ..at least Corbyn believes what he says | |||
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"Corbyn can't even unite his party, how could he possibly run a country? He resonates with a young idealistic and vocal minority but beyond the hubris of the aforementioned.. most of the voting public who don't belong to certain minorities he panders to and the masochistic neoloberals who wear that particular minority as accessories to polish their neoliberal credentials.. Most of the electorate seem to harbour deep reservations and misgivings about him and view him as a spineless apologist without decisiveness or any real conviction. He might get more votes due to more people qualifying for the vote as they have come of voting age since the last election.. but failing an unexpected scandal that forfeits the Tories, not enough to form a majority. Corbyn have more balls and more dignity than the whole of the tories ....no deal is better than a good deal ....we have to be careful because no deal could be have catastrophic consequences....both was said by the prime minister weeks apart ..at least Corbyn believes what he says " It's really hard to know what he says though. He takes vagueness to a whole new level. | |||
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"C'mon Mr Suit you've avoided this question about your beloved PR quite a few times. So to have pure PR would you have constituencies scrapped and just a pure vote for Government then and share out the MP's acording to vote share... BUT what would MP's actually do if they didn't have a constituency or would they just be dished out tombola style too
So in your view Suity how would you dish out constituencies MP's etc ?
Would you give a UKIP MP a heavy labour majority constituency, or a safe Tory constituency to BNP ?
"I did answer ! Basically I'd leave it to each party to provide MPs or s delicate to represent areas , we would then have a choice , we would still have our councillors ! | |||
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"Tho without P R , it all depends where the votes are ! Remember U K I P came third on votes last time and got One seat ! Because they could only manage to get the most votes in just one constituency and who's fault is that? UKIP's that's who. no it's a ridicules undemocratic system ! The Greens are also unrepresented compared to the Votes they got ! So to have pure PR would you have constituencies scrapped and just a pure vote for Government then and share out the MP's acording to vote share... BUT what would MP's actually do if they didn't have a constituency or would they just be dished out tombola style too "Under "pure" PR there would not have been a vote called this year. In 2015 the tortes and UKIP had a combined share of just over 52%. The rest put together just under 48%. We would have had a coalition of Tory/UKIP as that's the only feasible option. 600 seats (round figure) x 52% is 312. Opposition 288 so a 24 seat majority and quite likely a well hard brexit. Having made the brexit comment...hard is the ONLY option. The EU have already made it crystal clear. 4 key things (membership of single market, free movement, European court, trade zone) are all or nothing. Tomorrow's papers have ICM poll giving Tories a 14% lead btw! | |||
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"C'mon Mr Suit you've avoided this question about your beloved PR quite a few times. So to have pure PR would you have constituencies scrapped and just a pure vote for Government then and share out the MP's acording to vote share... BUT what would MP's actually do if they didn't have a constituency or would they just be dished out tombola style too
So in your view Suity how would you dish out constituencies MP's etc ?
Would you give a UKIP MP a heavy labour majority constituency, or a safe Tory constituency to BNP ?
I did answer ! Basically I'd leave it to each party to provide MPs or s delicate to represent areas , we would then have a choice , we would still have our councillors !
"So you think if a constituency overwhelmingly votes for say Labour but they get given a BNP MP then that's better democracy?  | |||
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"Im sure the media will help him and the daft students who dont have the ability to do sums or realise he will tax them to death when/if they can bag a good job. Sorry folks i still see him as an EU vote stealer along with sturen and farrel" I'm sure Corbyn could pick up some pointers on winning elections if he consulted with the one time Labour Party wank fodder Robert Mugabe. The first thing old Bob would tell him is offer kids the vote..... Didn't I hear Corbyn wanting to drop the voting age to 16?  | |||
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"I fail to understand some people. Of course vote Tory if you are mega wealthy, own a range of businesses and don't care about other people. But unless you earn over £80,000, then even out of purely self interest you should be voting Labour. Your taxes won't go up but you'll have better schools, better hospitals, cheaper bills through nationalisation and free universities. Only the top 5% of earners, and large corporations will pay any more. May will cripple our NHS and schools. The IFS says that schools will face a further 7% cut under the Tory plans, thats huge class sizes and fewer teachers for our kids. Is that the type of country you want? A working class voter choosing Tory is as mad as fox voting Tory." Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote labour. At least you can say you gave them a free school meal along with £2 trillion of debt. | |||
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"I fail to understand some people. Of course vote Tory if you are mega wealthy, own a range of businesses and don't care about other people. But unless you earn over £80,000, then even out of purely self interest you should be voting Labour. Your taxes won't go up but you'll have better schools, better hospitals, cheaper bills through nationalisation and free universities. Only the top 5% of earners, and large corporations will pay any more. May will cripple our NHS and schools. The IFS says that schools will face a further 7% cut under the Tory plans, thats huge class sizes and fewer teachers for our kids. Is that the type of country you want? A working class voter choosing Tory is as mad as fox voting Tory. Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote labour. At least you can say you gave them a free school meal along with £2 trillion of debt. " Strange comment to make, considering that the Conservative party are responsible for UK debt skyrocketing past anything Labour could have dreamt of, and the Tories' ruinous cack-handling of our economy will leave our children with no-hope of ever paying it back. And that's before we get to Brexit! Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote Conservative. At least you can say you gave them a 'healthy' school breakfast worth 6.8 pence per child along with handing over their inheritance to the government pay for your own elderly care if you are unlucky enough to develop dementia, and endless trillions of debt with an economy shrunk to the size of a walnut. Or, if you want a snappier version: Economically illiterate? Vote Conservative - just like you always do!  | |||
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"I fail to understand some people. Of course vote Tory if you are mega wealthy, own a range of businesses and don't care about other people. But unless you earn over £80,000, then even out of purely self interest you should be voting Labour. Your taxes won't go up but you'll have better schools, better hospitals, cheaper bills through nationalisation and free universities. Only the top 5% of earners, and large corporations will pay any more. May will cripple our NHS and schools. The IFS says that schools will face a further 7% cut under the Tory plans, thats huge class sizes and fewer teachers for our kids. Is that the type of country you want? A working class voter choosing Tory is as mad as fox voting Tory. Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote labour. At least you can say you gave them a free school meal along with £2 trillion of debt. Strange comment to make, considering that the Conservative party are responsible for UK debt skyrocketing past anything Labour could have dreamt of, and the Tories' ruinous cack-handling of our economy will leave our children with no-hope of ever paying it back. And that's before we get to Brexit! Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote Conservative. At least you can say you gave them a 'healthy' school breakfast worth 6.8 pence per child along with handing over their inheritance to the government pay for your own elderly care if you are unlucky enough to develop dementia, and endless trillions of debt with an economy shrunk to the size of a walnut. Or, if you want a snappier version: Economically illiterate? Vote Conservative - just like you always do! "Only an economically illerate person would think the reason the debt skyrocketted was because labour lost the 2010 general election. | |||
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"I fail to understand some people. Of course vote Tory if you are mega wealthy, own a range of businesses and don't care about other people. But unless you earn over £80,000, then even out of purely self interest you should be voting Labour. Your taxes won't go up but you'll have better schools, better hospitals, cheaper bills through nationalisation and free universities. Only the top 5% of earners, and large corporations will pay any more. May will cripple our NHS and schools. The IFS says that schools will face a further 7% cut under the Tory plans, thats huge class sizes and fewer teachers for our kids. Is that the type of country you want? A working class voter choosing Tory is as mad as fox voting Tory. Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote labour. At least you can say you gave them a free school meal along with £2 trillion of debt. Strange comment to make, considering that the Conservative party are responsible for UK debt skyrocketing past anything Labour could have dreamt of, and the Tories' ruinous cack-handling of our economy will leave our children with no-hope of ever paying it back. And that's before we get to Brexit! Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote Conservative. At least you can say you gave them a 'healthy' school breakfast worth 6.8 pence per child along with handing over their inheritance to the government pay for your own elderly care if you are unlucky enough to develop dementia, and endless trillions of debt with an economy shrunk to the size of a walnut. Or, if you want a snappier version: Economically illiterate? Vote Conservative - just like you always do!
Only an economically illerate person would think the reason the debt skyrocketted was because labour lost the 2010 general election. "On the contrary, if you don't understand that the reason debt has skyrocketed is because Labour lost the 2010 election, you prove yourself to be economically illiterate. I bet you don't even know George Osborne managed to stall the recovery that he inherited from Labour, for two whole years!  | |||
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"I fail to understand some people. Of course vote Tory if you are mega wealthy, own a range of businesses and don't care about other people. But unless you earn over £80,000, then even out of purely self interest you should be voting Labour. Your taxes won't go up but you'll have better schools, better hospitals, cheaper bills through nationalisation and free universities. Only the top 5% of earners, and large corporations will pay any more. May will cripple our NHS and schools. The IFS says that schools will face a further 7% cut under the Tory plans, thats huge class sizes and fewer teachers for our kids. Is that the type of country you want? A working class voter choosing Tory is as mad as fox voting Tory. Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote labour. At least you can say you gave them a free school meal along with £2 trillion of debt. Strange comment to make, considering that the Conservative party are responsible for UK debt skyrocketing past anything Labour could have dreamt of, and the Tories' ruinous cack-handling of our economy will leave our children with no-hope of ever paying it back. And that's before we get to Brexit! Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote Conservative. At least you can say you gave them a 'healthy' school breakfast worth 6.8 pence per child along with handing over their inheritance to the government pay for your own elderly care if you are unlucky enough to develop dementia, and endless trillions of debt with an economy shrunk to the size of a walnut. Or, if you want a snappier version: Economically illiterate? Vote Conservative - just like you always do!
Only an economically illerate person would think the reason the debt skyrocketted was because labour lost the 2010 general election.
On the contrary, if you don't understand that the reason debt has skyrocketed is because Labour lost the 2010 election, you prove yourself to be economically illiterate.
I bet you don't even know George Osborne managed to stall the recovery that he inherited from Labour, for two whole years! "If I were a politician then i'd dream of having supporters like you. | |||
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"I fail to understand some people. Of course vote Tory if you are mega wealthy, own a range of businesses and don't care about other people. But unless you earn over £80,000, then even out of purely self interest you should be voting Labour. Your taxes won't go up but you'll have better schools, better hospitals, cheaper bills through nationalisation and free universities. Only the top 5% of earners, and large corporations will pay any more. May will cripple our NHS and schools. The IFS says that schools will face a further 7% cut under the Tory plans, thats huge class sizes and fewer teachers for our kids. Is that the type of country you want? A working class voter choosing Tory is as mad as fox voting Tory. Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote labour. At least you can say you gave them a free school meal along with £2 trillion of debt. Strange comment to make, considering that the Conservative party are responsible for UK debt skyrocketing past anything Labour could have dreamt of, and the Tories' ruinous cack-handling of our economy will leave our children with no-hope of ever paying it back. And that's before we get to Brexit! Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote Conservative. At least you can say you gave them a 'healthy' school breakfast worth 6.8 pence per child along with handing over their inheritance to the government pay for your own elderly care if you are unlucky enough to develop dementia, and endless trillions of debt with an economy shrunk to the size of a walnut. Or, if you want a snappier version: Economically illiterate? Vote Conservative - just like you always do!
Only an economically illerate person would think the reason the debt skyrocketted was because labour lost the 2010 general election.
On the contrary, if you don't understand that the reason debt has skyrocketed is because Labour lost the 2010 election, you prove yourself to be economically illiterate.
I bet you don't even know George Osborne managed to stall the recovery that he inherited from Labour, for two whole years!
If I were a politician then i'd dream of having supporters like you. "I'm not sure politicians generally want economically informed supporters, to be honest. Let's face it, the Tories completely depend on the majority of their supporters being economically uninformed. They'd never win an election otherwise! | |||
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"I fail to understand some people. Of course vote Tory if you are mega wealthy, own a range of businesses and don't care about other people. But unless you earn over £80,000, then even out of purely self interest you should be voting Labour. Your taxes won't go up but you'll have better schools, better hospitals, cheaper bills through nationalisation and free universities. Only the top 5% of earners, and large corporations will pay any more. May will cripple our NHS and schools. The IFS says that schools will face a further 7% cut under the Tory plans, thats huge class sizes and fewer teachers for our kids. Is that the type of country you want? A working class voter choosing Tory is as mad as fox voting Tory. Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote labour. At least you can say you gave them a free school meal along with £2 trillion of debt. Strange comment to make, considering that the Conservative party are responsible for UK debt skyrocketing past anything Labour could have dreamt of, and the Tories' ruinous cack-handling of our economy will leave our children with no-hope of ever paying it back. And that's before we get to Brexit! Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote Conservative. At least you can say you gave them a 'healthy' school breakfast worth 6.8 pence per child along with handing over their inheritance to the government pay for your own elderly care if you are unlucky enough to develop dementia, and endless trillions of debt with an economy shrunk to the size of a walnut. Or, if you want a snappier version: Economically illiterate? Vote Conservative - just like you always do!
Only an economically illerate person would think the reason the debt skyrocketted was because labour lost the 2010 general election.
On the contrary, if you don't understand that the reason debt has skyrocketed is because Labour lost the 2010 election, you prove yourself to be economically illiterate.
I bet you don't even know George Osborne managed to stall the recovery that he inherited from Labour, for two whole years! "What recovery? The one in which he arrived at the treasury to find a note saying they had spent all the money? Of course the debt has continued to increase. 2010 saw inheritance a a huge and rising deficit (annual losses). The losses add up year on year, and together with debtvinterest, that increases the debt overall. The only way to bring debt down is to iliminate tge defecit. The deficit has come down from £152bn to £50bn. At the same time 3 million jobs created and unemployment at a 40 yr low. Your economical illiteracy seems to be in capability of separating the words deficit and debt. | |||
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"I fail to understand some people. Of course vote Tory if you are mega wealthy, own a range of businesses and don't care about other people. But unless you earn over £80,000, then even out of purely self interest you should be voting Labour. Your taxes won't go up but you'll have better schools, better hospitals, cheaper bills through nationalisation and free universities. Only the top 5% of earners, and large corporations will pay any more. May will cripple our NHS and schools. The IFS says that schools will face a further 7% cut under the Tory plans, thats huge class sizes and fewer teachers for our kids. Is that the type of country you want? A working class voter choosing Tory is as mad as fox voting Tory. Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote labour. At least you can say you gave them a free school meal along with £2 trillion of debt. Strange comment to make, considering that the Conservative party are responsible for UK debt skyrocketing past anything Labour could have dreamt of, and the Tories' ruinous cack-handling of our economy will leave our children with no-hope of ever paying it back. And that's before we get to Brexit! Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote Conservative. At least you can say you gave them a 'healthy' school breakfast worth 6.8 pence per child along with handing over their inheritance to the government pay for your own elderly care if you are unlucky enough to develop dementia, and endless trillions of debt with an economy shrunk to the size of a walnut. Or, if you want a snappier version: Economically illiterate? Vote Conservative - just like you always do!
Only an economically illerate person would think the reason the debt skyrocketted was because labour lost the 2010 general election.
On the contrary, if you don't understand that the reason debt has skyrocketed is because Labour lost the 2010 election, you prove yourself to be economically illiterate.
I bet you don't even know George Osborne managed to stall the recovery that he inherited from Labour, for two whole years!
What recovery? The one in which he arrived at the treasury to find a note saying they had spent all the money?
Of course the debt has continued to increase. 2010 saw inheritance a a huge and rising deficit (annual losses). The losses add up year on year, and together with debtvinterest, that increases the debt overall.
The only way to bring debt down is to iliminate tge defecit. The deficit has come down from £152bn to £50bn. At the same time 3 million jobs created and unemployment at a 40 yr low.
Your economical illiteracy seems to be in capability of separating the words deficit and debt."To be honest I find that very few (if any) from the left understand the difference. Either that or they just prefer not to. | |||
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"C'mon Mr Suit you've avoided this question about your beloved PR quite a few times. So to have pure PR would you have constituencies scrapped and just a pure vote for Government then and share out the MP's acording to vote share... BUT what would MP's actually do if they didn't have a constituency or would they just be dished out tombola style too
So in your view Suity how would you dish out constituencies MP's etc ?
Would you give a UKIP MP a heavy labour majority constituency, or a safe Tory constituency to BNP ?
I did answer ! Basically I'd leave it to each party to provide MPs or s delicate to represent areas , we would then have a choice , we would still have our councillors !
So you think if a constituency overwhelmingly votes for say Labour but they get given a BNP MP then that's better democracy? "no you mis understand me ! Each costurncy would have a representative of mp from all the party's to go to whichever they want ! | |||
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"Once again, if you don't know that George Osborne flatlined an inherited recovery, and by your own admission you don't, you don't know enough about UK economics to comment about it. Respected (and arguably the most respected) economics blog Mainly Macro has a useful article on the current election and the economic myths that persist - and why they persist. Give it a read, and then read everything else on there pertaining to the UK election, debt and deficit...and then let's talk: https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/ge2017-why-economic-facts-will-be.html" Most respected!! Aww bless you, you know you'd be awesome at PR for North Korea. Just out of interest, what evidence is there that you are economically literate? I mean have you actually ever made a lot of money on stock markets, called a crash before it happened, made a nice pay day off the housing cycle? Or do you just live in an echo chamber where biased blogs like that make you feel well informed. FYI when you increase real government spending 11/13 years then you have nothing to weather the storm when the economic cycle turns. Labour didn't cause the banking crisis, bit they have leveraged themselves such that it created a debt crisis to get through the banking crisis. That is the mistake they made that the blog won't acknowledge. It's the flip side of Keynes. | |||
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"Corbyn can't even unite his party, how could he possibly run a country? He resonates with a young idealistic and vocal minority but beyond the hubris of the aforementioned.. most of the voting public who don't belong to certain minorities he panders to and the masochistic neoloberals who wear that particular minority as accessories to polish their neoliberal credentials.. Most of the electorate seem to harbour deep reservations and misgivings about him and view him as a spineless apologist without decisiveness or any real conviction. He might get more votes due to more people qualifying for the vote as they have come of voting age since the last election.. but failing an unexpected scandal that forfeits the Tories, not enough to form a majority. Corbyn have more balls and more dignity than the whole of the tories ....no deal is better than a good deal ....we have to be careful because no deal could be have catastrophic consequences....both was said by the prime minister weeks apart ..at least Corbyn believes what he says " Yep true and cares about people other than those with money. Miss | |||
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"I fail to understand some people. Of course vote Tory if you are mega wealthy, own a range of businesses and don't care about other people. But unless you earn over £80,000, then even out of purely self interest you should be voting Labour. Your taxes won't go up but you'll have better schools, better hospitals, cheaper bills through nationalisation and free universities. Only the top 5% of earners, and large corporations will pay any more. May will cripple our NHS and schools. The IFS says that schools will face a further 7% cut under the Tory plans, thats huge class sizes and fewer teachers for our kids. Is that the type of country you want? A working class voter choosing Tory is as mad as fox voting Tory. Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote labour. At least you can say you gave them a free school meal along with £2 trillion of debt. Strange comment to make, considering that the Conservative party are responsible for UK debt skyrocketing past anything Labour could have dreamt of, and the Tories' ruinous cack-handling of our economy will leave our children with no-hope of ever paying it back. And that's before we get to Brexit! Read: if you don't want to live within your own means and like to dump your debt on your children then vote Conservative. At least you can say you gave them a 'healthy' school breakfast worth 6.8 pence per child along with handing over their inheritance to the government pay for your own elderly care if you are unlucky enough to develop dementia, and endless trillions of debt with an economy shrunk to the size of a walnut. Or, if you want a snappier version: Economically illiterate? Vote Conservative - just like you always do!
Only an economically illerate person would think the reason the debt skyrocketted was because labour lost the 2010 general election.
On the contrary, if you don't understand that the reason debt has skyrocketed is because Labour lost the 2010 election, you prove yourself to be economically illiterate.
I bet you don't even know George Osborne managed to stall the recovery that he inherited from Labour, for two whole years!
If I were a politician then i'd dream of having supporters like you.
I'm not sure politicians generally want economically informed supporters, to be honest.
Let's face it, the Tories completely depend on the majority of their supporters being economically uninformed. They'd never win an election otherwise!"True .This will be proven if the over 65s .The core tory voters decide this manifesto of taxing them and taking their properties for social care is good for them. lambs to the slaughter comes to mind.  | |||
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"Once again, if you don't know that George Osborne flatlined an inherited recovery, and by your own admission you don't, you don't know enough about UK economics to comment about it. Respected (and arguably the most respected) economics blog Mainly Macro has a useful article on the current election and the economic myths that persist - and why they persist. Give it a read, and then read everything else on there pertaining to the UK election, debt and deficit...and then let's talk: https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/ge2017-why-economic-facts-will-be.html" Mainly Macro the left-wing blogger you mean? (1) the economy in 2010 was NOT recovering. (2) 3 million new jobs and growth consistently above all independent (e.g. IMF) predictions for the next five years. (3) I did not admit to knowing little about economics....maybe you don't? But don't make things up! (4) Do you know the difference between debt and deficit? It would appear not as you have been unable to answer. [hint: you have to eliminate one of them in order to reduce the other] | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! " If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! " I've copied this shamelessly from it's source on Facebook, a chap called Chris Renwick. Seems quite apt a response. -Matt "Here's what I'm really struggling to understand. All I've ever heard from people, for years, is: "bloody bankers and their bonuses" "bloody rich and their offshore tax havens " "bloody politicians with their lying and second homes" “bloody corporations paying less tax than me” "bloody Establishment, they're all in it together” “it'll never change, there's no point in voting” And quite rightly so, I said all the same things. But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich. The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person. So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with: “she's strong and stable” “he's a clown” “he's not a leader” “look he can't even control his own party” “he'll ruin the economy” “how's he gonna pay for it all?!” “AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser” And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them. We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying: “he's a clown” “he’s a threat to the country” “she's strong and stable” “he'll take us back to the 70s” And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. There's no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen. And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together. You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in? You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in? You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in? You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in? You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in? You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in? You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in? And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately. Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie - he can't lie - he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us. He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election. His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there. Unlike the Tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up. And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone. The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners. Good, screw them. It's long overdue. " | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining." A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! " Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! I've copied this shamelessly from it's source on Facebook, a chap called Chris Renwick. Seems quite apt a response. -Matt "Here's what I'm really struggling to understand. All I've ever heard from people, for years, is: "bloody bankers and their bonuses" "bloody rich and their offshore tax havens " "bloody politicians with their lying and second homes" “bloody corporations paying less tax than me” "bloody Establishment, they're all in it together” “it'll never change, there's no point in voting” And quite rightly so, I said all the same things. But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich. The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person. So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with: “she's strong and stable” “he's a clown” “he's not a leader” “look he can't even control his own party” “he'll ruin the economy” “how's he gonna pay for it all?!” “AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser” And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them. We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying: “he's a clown” “he’s a threat to the country” “she's strong and stable” “he'll take us back to the 70s” And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. There's no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen. And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together. You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in? You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in? You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in? You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in? You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in? You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in? You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in? And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately. Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie - he can't lie - he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us. He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election. His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there. Unlike the Tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up. And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone. The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners. Good, screw them. It's long overdue. "" Spot on.The anti corbyn propaganda failed miserably.Well said matt! | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have." I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace." But what are you going to do with your acquired knowledge? | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace." You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary. | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary. "What is the correct use of liberal? | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
What is the correct use of liberal? Snowflake tree hugging anti capitalist terrorist appeaseing un british communist leachers... "Come on seriously, i consider myself liberal in the way the term is commonly used. But then i checked the definition and thought "hmmm maybe not". So seriously, what's the proper usage? | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
What is the correct use of liberal? Snowflake tree hugging anti capitalist terrorist appeaseing un british communist leachers...
Come on seriously, i consider myself liberal in the way the term is commonly used. But then i checked the definition and thought "hmmm maybe not". So seriously, what's the proper usage? "I pointed out that you arent liberal before.You're tory lite or as i like to say a plastic tory.You should be voting tory really.As they are closer to your ideological position.The dictionary gives a perfect description of the word liberal . | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
What is the correct use of liberal? Snowflake tree hugging anti capitalist terrorist appeaseing un british communist leachers...
Come on seriously, i consider myself liberal in the way the term is commonly used. But then i checked the definition and thought "hmmm maybe not". So seriously, what's the proper usage? I pointed out that you arent liberal before.You're tory lite or as i like to say a plastic tory.You should be voting tory really.As they are closer to your ideological position.The dictionary gives a perfect description of the word liberal . "But anyone who thinks a larger state is going to enhance liberty is delusional and hasn't read history properly. I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative. | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
What is the correct use of liberal? Snowflake tree hugging anti capitalist terrorist appeaseing un british communist leachers...
Come on seriously, i consider myself liberal in the way the term is commonly used. But then i checked the definition and thought "hmmm maybe not". So seriously, what's the proper usage? I pointed out that you arent liberal before.You're tory lite or as i like to say a plastic tory.You should be voting tory really.As they are closer to your ideological position.The dictionary gives a perfect description of the word liberal . "Basically Free! Absence of restraint, free will! Ever wondered why we don't learn Latin anymore? At Eton you might! We are all laws and no principles! | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
What is the correct use of liberal? Snowflake tree hugging anti capitalist terrorist appeaseing un british communist leachers...
Come on seriously, i consider myself liberal in the way the term is commonly used. But then i checked the definition and thought "hmmm maybe not". So seriously, what's the proper usage? I pointed out that you arent liberal before.You're tory lite or as i like to say a plastic tory.You should be voting tory really.As they are closer to your ideological position.The dictionary gives a perfect description of the word liberal .
Basically Free! Absence of restraint, free will!
Ever wondered why we don't learn Latin anymore? At Eton you might!
We are all laws and no principles! "Right well nobody does ever encroaching restraint like state governments so if Jeremy Crobyn is your solution to a problem of a lack of liberty then that is very much a contradiction in terms. | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
What is the correct use of liberal? Snowflake tree hugging anti capitalist terrorist appeaseing un british communist leachers...
Come on seriously, i consider myself liberal in the way the term is commonly used. But then i checked the definition and thought "hmmm maybe not". So seriously, what's the proper usage? I pointed out that you arent liberal before.You're tory lite or as i like to say a plastic tory.You should be voting tory really.As they are closer to your ideological position.The dictionary gives a perfect description of the word liberal .
Basically Free! Absence of restraint, free will!
Ever wondered why we don't learn Latin anymore? At Eton you might!
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
What is the correct use of liberal? Snowflake tree hugging anti capitalist terrorist appeaseing un british communist leachers...
Come on seriously, i consider myself liberal in the way the term is commonly used. But then i checked the definition and thought "hmmm maybe not". So seriously, what's the proper usage? I pointed out that you arent liberal before.You're tory lite or as i like to say a plastic tory.You should be voting tory really.As they are closer to your ideological position.The dictionary gives a perfect description of the word liberal .
But anyone who thinks a larger state is going to enhance liberty is delusional and hasn't read history properly. I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative. "If you were socially liberal you wouldnt get so wound up by chavs and council estates.Nimbys arent social liberal. | |||
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"Im sure the media will help him and the daft students who dont have the ability to do sums or realise he will tax them to death when/if they can bag a good job. Sorry folks i still see him as an EU vote stealer along with sturen and farrel I'm not sure why the media will suddenly help him when they have spent so long trying to discredit him. I bet you are one of those people that believe our media is left wing? As for the students, I think you have hit upon a fundamental difference in viewpoint there. A lot of people are *happy* to pay higher taxes if they see a fairer society and better services and standard of living as a result. They realise that there is no such thing as a free lunch and these things have to be paid for somehow. Hence why they might be supportive of Labour as they have actually costed their manifesto, whereas May seems to be just hoping that the words 'strong and stable' will pay for things. -Matt" I don't think anyone is ever really "happy" at the thought of paying more tax. But then that's not what Jeremy is saying, us it? What he's actually saying is that the "many" can have everything they want and the "few" will pay all the extra tax required. I've grown to respect you and many of your comments on these threads over the last year but I'm truly shocked that your falling for this rubbish just because it's coming from the populist left rather than the populist right. Corbyn's tax and spend policies are even less realistic than BREXITers plans for increasing trade by leaving the EU. Do you really believe that we can cut the deficit, increase spending by approximately £50 billion and do this while only increasing taxes for the top 5% ( who incidentally already pay 50% of all income tax receipts)? It's simply not credible. | |||
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"Il Nail my Coulers I voted UKIP last time and I will vote Conservative this time , to try and get the Hardest Brexit !
There I've said it !
However I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's the firegone conclusion the majority if us thought !
Your thoughts ?
Any such question is a matter of probability. The limits of the physical and neurobiological world are not fully understood yet, ergo anything is possible since everything we know could be wrong. .
Stop fucking with his head and give him an answer in plain old English.. Yes/no .
I'm going to predict a maybe
The answer to any question that starts "could x happen" is yes.
So your saying yes he'll win!.
That's good enough for me
No I'm saying it's a stupid question that belongs on the BBC with people who want endless and pointless debates ok maybe I should have said who thinks Corbyn could actually Win ?
I thought he had zero chance I now think he has a slim chance but a chance !
What is the probability corbyn will win? We could measure the predictions over time and see whose opinion is better than others at predicting politics"I think there is still little to no chance of Corbyn actually winning. However the chances of May not increasing the number of Conservative seats and possibly losing some, maybe even down to losing the over all majority, is looking somewhat more likely now. I'm still hoping for a late LibDem surge (but I'm not holding my breath). | |||
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"Im sure the media will help him and the daft students who dont have the ability to do sums or realise he will tax them to death when/if they can bag a good job. Sorry folks i still see him as an EU vote stealer along with sturen and farrel I'm not sure why the media will suddenly help him when they have spent so long trying to discredit him. I bet you are one of those people that believe our media is left wing? As for the students, I think you have hit upon a fundamental difference in viewpoint there. A lot of people are *happy* to pay higher taxes if they see a fairer society and better services and standard of living as a result. They realise that there is no such thing as a free lunch and these things have to be paid for somehow. Hence why they might be supportive of Labour as they have actually costed their manifesto, whereas May seems to be just hoping that the words 'strong and stable' will pay for things. -Matt I don't think anyone is ever really "happy" at the thought of paying more tax. But then that's not what Jeremy is saying, us it? What he's actually saying is that the "many" can have everything they want and the "few" will pay all the extra tax required. I've grown to respect you and many of your comments on these threads over the last year but I'm truly shocked that your falling for this rubbish just because it's coming from the populist left rather than the populist right. Corbyn's tax and spend policies are even less realistic than BREXITers plans for increasing trade by leaving the EU. Do you really believe that we can cut the deficit, increase spending by approximately £50 billion and do this while only increasing taxes for the top 5% ( who incidentally already pay 50% of all income tax receipts)? It's simply not credible. " OK, maybe I worded it a bit clumsily. No, I'm not *happy* to pay more tax, in absolute terms. All being equal, I'd love to pay as little tax as possible. But what I am saying, is given the choice between those that have a bit more paying a bit more tax in order to fund services for all, and those that have a bit more paying less tax and services being cut, I'd choose the former. And everything is not being just funded by increasing tax on the top 5%, there are also plans to try to collect more via corporation tax (yes, some say this is not possible), some is being funded by clamping down on tax evasion and non-payment. etc. Am I 100% happy with Labour? No, very much not so. But compared to the Tories, I know which one has the policies that agree with most, and the leader I respect most. I'd love the LibDems to be a credible option, but alas they are still not yet, despite me agreeing a lot with their views (and especially their stance on Brexit). -Matt | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
What is the correct use of liberal? Snowflake tree hugging anti capitalist terrorist appeaseing un british communist leachers...
Come on seriously, i consider myself liberal in the way the term is commonly used. But then i checked the definition and thought "hmmm maybe not". So seriously, what's the proper usage? I pointed out that you arent liberal before.You're tory lite or as i like to say a plastic tory.You should be voting tory really.As they are closer to your ideological position.The dictionary gives a perfect description of the word liberal .
But anyone who thinks a larger state is going to enhance liberty is delusional and hasn't read history properly. I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative. If you were socially liberal you wouldnt get so wound up by chavs and council estates.Nimbys arent social liberal."On the contrary, chavs are an artificial creation of the state. People's whose behaviour could not possibily arise from their own free will, but by having their free will eroded by the state. Many countries do not have any chavs at all. | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
What is the correct use of liberal? Snowflake tree hugging anti capitalist terrorist appeaseing un british communist leachers...
Come on seriously, i consider myself liberal in the way the term is commonly used. But then i checked the definition and thought "hmmm maybe not". So seriously, what's the proper usage? I pointed out that you arent liberal before.You're tory lite or as i like to say a plastic tory.You should be voting tory really.As they are closer to your ideological position.The dictionary gives a perfect description of the word liberal .
But anyone who thinks a larger state is going to enhance liberty is delusional and hasn't read history properly. I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative. If you were socially liberal you wouldnt get so wound up by chavs and council estates.Nimbys arent social liberal.
On the contrary, chavs are an artificial creation of the state. People's whose behaviour could not possibily arise from their own free will, but by having their free will eroded by the state. Many countries do not have any chavs at all. "Of course they are a product of their environment.They're a reaction to their environment . Council house and violence (CHAV). | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
What is the correct use of liberal? Snowflake tree hugging anti capitalist terrorist appeaseing un british communist leachers...
Come on seriously, i consider myself liberal in the way the term is commonly used. But then i checked the definition and thought "hmmm maybe not". So seriously, what's the proper usage? I pointed out that you arent liberal before.You're tory lite or as i like to say a plastic tory.You should be voting tory really.As they are closer to your ideological position.The dictionary gives a perfect description of the word liberal .
But anyone who thinks a larger state is going to enhance liberty is delusional and hasn't read history properly. I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative. If you were socially liberal you wouldnt get so wound up by chavs and council estates.Nimbys arent social liberal.
On the contrary, chavs are an artificial creation of the state. People's whose behaviour could not possibily arise from their own free will, but by having their free will eroded by the state. Many countries do not have any chavs at all. Of course they are a product of their environment.They're a reaction to their environment .
Council house and violence (CHAV)."Then you arguement makes no sense at all. I consider myself liberal because i like small government and people to make their own decisions. But you say I'm not liberal because i despise an unnatural phenomena caused by big government. | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
What is the correct use of liberal? Snowflake tree hugging anti capitalist terrorist appeaseing un british communist leachers...
Come on seriously, i consider myself liberal in the way the term is commonly used. But then i checked the definition and thought "hmmm maybe not". So seriously, what's the proper usage? I pointed out that you arent liberal before.You're tory lite or as i like to say a plastic tory.You should be voting tory really.As they are closer to your ideological position.The dictionary gives a perfect description of the word liberal .
But anyone who thinks a larger state is going to enhance liberty is delusional and hasn't read history properly. I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative. If you were socially liberal you wouldnt get so wound up by chavs and council estates.Nimbys arent social liberal.
On the contrary, chavs are an artificial creation of the state. People's whose behaviour could not possibily arise from their own free will, but by having their free will eroded by the state. Many countries do not have any chavs at all. Of course they are a product of their environment.They're a reaction to their environment .
Council house and violence (CHAV).
Then you arguement makes no sense at all. I consider myself liberal because i like small government and people to make their own decisions. But you say I'm not liberal because i despise an unnatural phenomena caused by big government. "Its a natural response to inequality. Dont despise the player despise the game. | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
What is the correct use of liberal? Snowflake tree hugging anti capitalist terrorist appeaseing un british communist leachers...
Come on seriously, i consider myself liberal in the way the term is commonly used. But then i checked the definition and thought "hmmm maybe not". So seriously, what's the proper usage? I pointed out that you arent liberal before.You're tory lite or as i like to say a plastic tory.You should be voting tory really.As they are closer to your ideological position.The dictionary gives a perfect description of the word liberal .
But anyone who thinks a larger state is going to enhance liberty is delusional and hasn't read history properly. I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative. If you were socially liberal you wouldnt get so wound up by chavs and council estates.Nimbys arent social liberal.
On the contrary, chavs are an artificial creation of the state. People's whose behaviour could not possibily arise from their own free will, but by having their free will eroded by the state. Many countries do not have any chavs at all. Of course they are a product of their environment.They're a reaction to their environment .
Council house and violence (CHAV).
Then you arguement makes no sense at all. I consider myself liberal because i like small government and people to make their own decisions. But you say I'm not liberal because i despise an unnatural phenomena caused by big government. Its a natural response to inequality. Dont despise the player despise the game."I do. Can i have my liberal badge now? Lefties love welware dependant types, liberals despise dependency. | |||
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"Im sure the media will help him and the daft students who dont have the ability to do sums or realise he will tax them to death when/if they can bag a good job. Sorry folks i still see him as an EU vote stealer along with sturen and farrel I'm not sure why the media will suddenly help him when they have spent so long trying to discredit him. I bet you are one of those people that believe our media is left wing? As for the students, I think you have hit upon a fundamental difference in viewpoint there. A lot of people are *happy* to pay higher taxes if they see a fairer society and better services and standard of living as a result. They realise that there is no such thing as a free lunch and these things have to be paid for somehow. Hence why they might be supportive of Labour as they have actually costed their manifesto, whereas May seems to be just hoping that the words 'strong and stable' will pay for things. -Matt I don't think anyone is ever really "happy" at the thought of paying more tax. But then that's not what Jeremy is saying, us it? What he's actually saying is that the "many" can have everything they want and the "few" will pay all the extra tax required. I've grown to respect you and many of your comments on these threads over the last year but I'm truly shocked that your falling for this rubbish just because it's coming from the populist left rather than the populist right. Corbyn's tax and spend policies are even less realistic than BREXITers plans for increasing trade by leaving the EU. Do you really believe that we can cut the deficit, increase spending by approximately £50 billion and do this while only increasing taxes for the top 5% ( who incidentally already pay 50% of all income tax receipts)? It's simply not credible. OK, maybe I worded it a bit clumsily. No, I'm not *happy* to pay more tax, in absolute terms. All being equal, I'd love to pay as little tax as possible. But what I am saying, is given the choice between those that have a bit more paying a bit more tax in order to fund services for all, and those that have a bit more paying less tax and services being cut, I'd choose the former. And everything is not being just funded by increasing tax on the top 5%, there are also plans to try to collect more via corporation tax (yes, some say this is not possible), some is being funded by clamping down on tax evasion and non-payment. etc. Am I 100% happy with Labour? No, very much not so. But compared to the Tories, I know which one has the policies that agree with most, and the leader I respect most. I'd love the LibDems to be a credible option, but alas they are still not yet, despite me agreeing a lot with their views (and especially their stance on Brexit). -Matt" Jeremy is simply lying when he says 95% of tax payers won't have to spend a penny more to cover this £50 billion. You know as well as I do that any successful increase in corporation tax lead to 100% having to spend far more than an extra penny for everything and anything. It simply being dishonest and deceitful with the people to say other wise. The reality is simple. If we want the good services that most, including myself, want provided then all, except perhaps the very poorest, are going to have to pay more for them. Jeremy's trying to pretend that they won't and that some _____ (write in you own current populist hate group) elite is going to pay for it all is just as much populist bullshit as the BREXITers trying to tell us that we'll all be better of by making it harder to trade with Europe. You can't, with credabitly, tell BREXITers that they're ignoring the realities of the economic world whilst at the same time backing the most populist, unsound economic policies just because they are coming from left of centre. | |||
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"I won't be voting for any of them. The long term agenda is the same just different routes that lead to us paying more tax and feeding the central banks. Along the way we are kept happy with crap like social media, poor television and a main stream media that boarders on propaganda! We are no longer citizens but consumers. We need to wake up and start demanding more honesty and a stop to corruption. If Corbyn gets in we will be killed by kindness, Fabian Socialists, more dangerous than the communists! If you can't be arsed voting, please don't bore us with your bitching about the way society is going. Get off your lazy backside and do something about it other than sitting in front of a keyboard and complaining. A year ago almost to the day a mate of mine pointed out a few things and asked me to read a book. Since then I have listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and read more books than I have read in the ten year prior. I have educated myself on what I feel is really going on in the world. Mainly by studying our history. I will go to the polls and I will ask how I register a no vote. I can't help but type on here its a website! If you fancy it, I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, the 101 version by Joseph Plumber is excellent. Thanks for not judging! Genuine question, what would motivate you to put all those hours into a subject you have only a tiny influence over? I have no real faith in democracy producing good leaders when any old idiot is allowed an equal vote. So i follow it, but only so i can work out how to protect my money and family whoever gets into power and whatever stupid ideas they have. I have always been a bit anti establishment! But in truth I genuinely feel like I have been woken! Sounds extreme, but life is not an level playing field. For example, There are aspects of education that we are not given the opportunity to learn because the Elite wish to have an advantage on the masses. I know it sounds mad, but until you start reading and learning it makes no sense. So many many of our words are used incorrectly and have been changed to suit, like liberal for example and anarchy. I now watch the news and see things different. So much propaganda and BS its un true. Love or hate, the medias behavior towards Corbyn has been a disgrace. You arent crazy at all.You have to claim back the language and definitions of words like "liberal".By all means necessary.
What is the correct use of liberal? Snowflake tree hugging anti capitalist terrorist appeaseing un british communist leachers...
Come on seriously, i consider myself liberal in the way the term is commonly used. But then i checked the definition and thought "hmmm maybe not". So seriously, what's the proper usage? I pointed out that you arent liberal before.You're tory lite or as i like to say a plastic tory.You should be voting tory really.As they are closer to your ideological position.The dictionary gives a perfect description of the word liberal .
But anyone who thinks a larger state is going to enhance liberty is delusional and hasn't read history properly. I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative. If you were socially liberal you wouldnt get so wound up by chavs and council estates.Nimbys arent social liberal.
On the contrary, chavs are an artificial creation of the state. People's whose behaviour could not possibily arise from their own free will, but by having their free will eroded by the state. Many countries do not have any chavs at all. Of course they are a product of their environment.They're a reaction to their environment .
Council house and violence (CHAV).
Then you arguement makes no sense at all. I consider myself liberal because i like small government and people to make their own decisions. But you say I'm not liberal because i despise an unnatural phenomena caused by big government. Its a natural response to inequality. Dont despise the player despise the game.
I do. Can i have my liberal badge now? Lefties love welware dependant types, liberals despise dependency. "If you have empathy for the player playing the hand he's dealt. | |||
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"Part of the issue is manipulation of our language. Most people think liberals are softy lefties! But a true liberal would agree to you protecting you own property with force, including a gun. A lefty softy would not. Word. I'm bad to the bone muthafucker "I'd say you're a liberal I made this post sometime ago in the thread "Liberals bad name". " Liberalism has nothing to do with being left or right of centre. Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality, and international cooperation. Both the three main parties (Conservative and Liberal Unionist Party, Liberal Democrats, and Labour Party) in this country could be called liberal and, with a few exceptions on the extremes of both Labour and Conservative, most of the people in them could be called liberal to. On the other hand Conservatism is definitely associated with right of centre politics. Conservatism promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization. Conservatives seek to preserve institutions like the Church, monarchy and the social hierarchy, as they emphasise stability and continuity. Other forms of conservatism tend to oppose modernism and are like to try return to "the way things were". The term conservative, in British politics, could equally be applied to the extremes in both the Labour and the Conservative party along with both Ulster Unionist parties and UKIP (although with the Conservatives now starting to look more and more like UKIP light we might have to include more than just its extremes these days). The reality is is that in Britain the Conservative Party has never really been very conservative and the Liberal Party (which became the LidDems) while being mostly Liberal has always put more emphasis on being a progressive party rather than a liberal party, which puts it firmly left of centre, whereas true liberalism is neither left, right nor at the centre but actually transcends the whole left/right argument. You can see this by looking at the many posts on this site and at the political stances of leading politicians. The liberals, whether they traditionally vote for a left of centre or right of centre party, tend to be in favour of international cooperation, the UN, the EU, fairly negotiated agreements and the rule of law. The conservatives, whether they vote for a left or right of centre party, tend to be against international cooperation, the UN, the EU, fairly negotiated agreements and the rule of law. Conservative's (not the party) main interest is getting what they want, which is usually what we currently have or something better that they perceive we had sometime in the past, and how they achieve it does not really worry then to much. Currently liberalism seems to be on the retreat around most of the world but the liberal philosophy has been around for over 200 years and has seen of imperialism, mercantilism, fascism and communism. I have no doubt that when the follies of the current conservative wave bring forth their fruits liberalism will have no problem seeing conservatism of also. " | |||
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"Part of the issue is manipulation of our language. Most people think liberals are softy lefties! But a true liberal would agree to you protecting you own property with force, including a gun. A lefty softy would not. Word. I'm bad to the bone muthafucker
I'd say you're a liberal
I made this post sometime ago in the thread "Liberals bad name".
Liberalism has nothing to do with being left or right of centre.
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.
Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality, and international cooperation.
Both the three main parties (Conservative and Liberal Unionist Party, Liberal Democrats, and Labour Party) in this country could be called liberal and, with a few exceptions on the extremes of both Labour and Conservative, most of the people in them could be called liberal to.
On the other hand Conservatism is definitely associated with right of centre politics.
Conservatism promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization. Conservatives seek to preserve institutions like the Church, monarchy and the social hierarchy, as they emphasise stability and continuity. Other forms of conservatism tend to oppose modernism and are like to try return to "the way things were".
The term conservative, in British politics, could equally be applied to the extremes in both the Labour and the Conservative party along with both Ulster Unionist parties and UKIP (although with the Conservatives now starting to look more and more like UKIP light we might have to include more than just its extremes these days).
The reality is is that in Britain the Conservative Party has never really been very conservative and the Liberal Party (which became the LidDems) while being mostly Liberal has always put more emphasis on being a progressive party rather than a liberal party, which puts it firmly left of centre, whereas true liberalism is neither left, right nor at the centre but actually transcends the whole left/right argument.
You can see this by looking at the many posts on this site and at the political stances of leading politicians. The liberals, whether they traditionally vote for a left of centre or right of centre party, tend to be in favour of international cooperation, the UN, the EU, fairly negotiated agreements and the rule of law. The conservatives, whether they vote for a left or right of centre party, tend to be against international cooperation, the UN, the EU, fairly negotiated agreements and the rule of law. Conservative's (not the party) main interest is getting what they want, which is usually what we currently have or something better that they perceive we had sometime in the past, and how they achieve it does not really worry then to much.
Currently liberalism seems to be on the retreat around most of the world but the liberal philosophy has been around for over 200 years and has seen of imperialism, mercantilism, fascism and communism. I have no doubt that when the follies of the current conservative wave bring forth their fruits liberalism will have no problem seeing conservatism of also.
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"Part of the issue is manipulation of our language. Most people think liberals are softy lefties! But a true liberal would agree to you protecting you own property with force, including a gun. A lefty softy would not. Word. I'm bad to the bone muthafucker
I'd say you're a liberal
I made this post sometime ago in the thread "Liberals bad name".
Liberalism has nothing to do with being left or right of centre.
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.
Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality, and international cooperation.
Both the three main parties (Conservative and Liberal Unionist Party, Liberal Democrats, and Labour Party) in this country could be called liberal and, with a few exceptions on the extremes of both Labour and Conservative, most of the people in them could be called liberal to.
On the other hand Conservatism is definitely associated with right of centre politics.
Conservatism promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization. Conservatives seek to preserve institutions like the Church, monarchy and the social hierarchy, as they emphasise stability and continuity. Other forms of conservatism tend to oppose modernism and are like to try return to "the way things were".
The term conservative, in British politics, could equally be applied to the extremes in both the Labour and the Conservative party along with both Ulster Unionist parties and UKIP (although with the Conservatives now starting to look more and more like UKIP light we might have to include more than just its extremes these days).
The reality is is that in Britain the Conservative Party has never really been very conservative and the Liberal Party (which became the LidDems) while being mostly Liberal has always put more emphasis on being a progressive party rather than a liberal party, which puts it firmly left of centre, whereas true liberalism is neither left, right nor at the centre but actually transcends the whole left/right argument.
You can see this by looking at the many posts on this site and at the political stances of leading politicians. The liberals, whether they traditionally vote for a left of centre or right of centre party, tend to be in favour of international cooperation, the UN, the EU, fairly negotiated agreements and the rule of law. The conservatives, whether they vote for a left or right of centre party, tend to be against international cooperation, the UN, the EU, fairly negotiated agreements and the rule of law. Conservative's (not the party) main interest is getting what they want, which is usually what we currently have or something better that they perceive we had sometime in the past, and how they achieve it does not really worry then to much.
Currently liberalism seems to be on the retreat around most of the world but the liberal philosophy has been around for over 200 years and has seen of imperialism, mercantilism, fascism and communism. I have no doubt that when the follies of the current conservative wave bring forth their fruits liberalism will have no problem seeing conservatism of also.
All very well and good but you've just completely overlooked and not even mentioned Libertarians in any of that. Libertarians are not the same as liberals either. "Libertarian is like classical liberalism, innit? The one like john locke, david ricardo, adam smith and shit? Yeah I'm down with that. | |||
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"Part of the issue is manipulation of our language. Most people think liberals are softy lefties! But a true liberal would agree to you protecting you own property with force, including a gun. A lefty softy would not. Word. I'm bad to the bone muthafucker
I'd say you're a liberal
I made this post sometime ago in the thread "Liberals bad name".
Liberalism has nothing to do with being left or right of centre.
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.
Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality, and international cooperation.
Both the three main parties (Conservative and Liberal Unionist Party, Liberal Democrats, and Labour Party) in this country could be called liberal and, with a few exceptions on the extremes of both Labour and Conservative, most of the people in them could be called liberal to.
On the other hand Conservatism is definitely associated with right of centre politics.
Conservatism promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization. Conservatives seek to preserve institutions like the Church, monarchy and the social hierarchy, as they emphasise stability and continuity. Other forms of conservatism tend to oppose modernism and are like to try return to "the way things were".
The term conservative, in British politics, could equally be applied to the extremes in both the Labour and the Conservative party along with both Ulster Unionist parties and UKIP (although with the Conservatives now starting to look more and more like UKIP light we might have to include more than just its extremes these days).
The reality is is that in Britain the Conservative Party has never really been very conservative and the Liberal Party (which became the LidDems) while being mostly Liberal has always put more emphasis on being a progressive party rather than a liberal party, which puts it firmly left of centre, whereas true liberalism is neither left, right nor at the centre but actually transcends the whole left/right argument.
You can see this by looking at the many posts on this site and at the political stances of leading politicians. The liberals, whether they traditionally vote for a left of centre or right of centre party, tend to be in favour of international cooperation, the UN, the EU, fairly negotiated agreements and the rule of law. The conservatives, whether they vote for a left or right of centre party, tend to be against international cooperation, the UN, the EU, fairly negotiated agreements and the rule of law. Conservative's (not the party) main interest is getting what they want, which is usually what we currently have or something better that they perceive we had sometime in the past, and how they achieve it does not really worry then to much.
Currently liberalism seems to be on the retreat around most of the world but the liberal philosophy has been around for over 200 years and has seen of imperialism, mercantilism, fascism and communism. I have no doubt that when the follies of the current conservative wave bring forth their fruits liberalism will have no problem seeing conservatism of also.
All very well and good but you've just completely overlooked and not even mentioned Libertarians in any of that. Libertarians are not the same as liberals either.
Libertarian is like classical liberalism, innit? The one like john locke, david ricardo, adam smith and shit? Yeah I'm down with that. "People often consider Libertarianism to be right wing but it's not really. Libertarianism is more about liberty, freedom of choice, individualism and personal rights than liberalism but it does have a lot in common with liberalism. Some people argue that liberalism us really just libertarianism applied across a whole society with a bit a social conscience thrown in for good measure. I'm not sure I totally agree with that though. However Roy Jenkin's "permissive society" was probably not only the most liberal thing to happen to society in this country but also the most libertarian to. I'd love to have a much longer discussion sometime about different isms but there's an election to be won (or lost) and, whilst BREXIT could be seen by some as a move towards Libertarianism, neither Labour, LibDems or Labour are actually standing on any form of Libertarianism platform so it's a bit irrelevant until after 8/7. | |||
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"Non of our current parties stand for any sort of liberty, isn what ever you want to call it. Labour scare me more than Tories, Tories look after the Elite but at least they are pretty up front about it. Labour will kill us with kindness. I voted out of EU to slow down the journey towards a yes I'm going to say it.... New World Order.... or Global Government. " So, who would you vote for then? Or failing that if you could make up your own party, that would be the top policies that would meet your desires? -Matt | |||
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"Non of our current parties stand for any sort of liberty, isn what ever you want to call it. Labour scare me more than Tories, Tories look after the Elite but at least they are pretty up front about it. Labour will kill us with kindness. I voted out of EU to slow down the journey towards a yes I'm going to say it.... New World Order.... or Global Government. " Global governance is inevitable and your never going to stop it.The sooner ut happens the better.. | |||
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"Non of our current parties stand for any sort of liberty, isn what ever you want to call it. Labour scare me more than Tories, Tories look after the Elite but at least they are pretty up front about it. Labour will kill us with kindness. I voted out of EU to slow down the journey towards a yes I'm going to say it.... New World Order.... or Global Government. " What do hulk hogan, kevin nash and scott hall have to do with this? | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible "Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible "Don't forget to put your money where your mouth is. Nothing works quite as well as your bank balance to remind you when you were wrong | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... "I always do ! I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment ! Thing is , he does try to answer the question ! And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it ! | |||
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"Im sure the media will help him and the daft students who dont have the ability to do sums or realise he will tax them to death when/if they can bag a good job. Sorry folks i still see him as an EU vote stealer along with sturen and farrel" .....spot on. | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... I always do !
I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment !
Thing is , he does try to answer the question !
And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it !
"We might be opposites political but you say what you see.Honesty is a rare commodity | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... I always do !
I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment !
Thing is , he does try to answer the question !
And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it !
"He sets new standards for waffling and avoiding answering questions. | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... I always do !
I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment !
Thing is , he does try to answer the question !
And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it !
We might be opposites political but you say what you see.Honesty is a rare commodity "Touché
But that's how it should be
I believe Tony Benn and Rnoch Poeell were good mates 
Ps we still need P R | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... I always do !
I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment !
Thing is , he does try to answer the question !
And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it !
"Put my money down on a hung parliament and a rainbow coalition.It'll be a beautiful thing. . You still spoiling your vote and not voting tory or ukip. | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... I always do !
I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment !
Thing is , he does try to answer the question !
And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it !
Put my money down on a hung parliament and a rainbow coalition.It'll be a beautiful thing. . You still spoiling your vote and not voting tory or ukip."probbally , but s none of the above would be better ! And if they got the most votes a referendum run should be held ! On principal I should vote UKIP but it's a wasted vote in York under our system ! Only labour or the cons have s chance ! I don't like the Labour candidate ( a strong remainer ) the Tory has been silent as hell ! The greens have stood down in york to help labour as they are under threat this time ! | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... I always do !
I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment !
Thing is , he does try to answer the question !
And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it !
Put my money down on a hung parliament and a rainbow coalition.It'll be a beautiful thing. . You still spoiling your vote and not voting tory or ukip."Would a hung parliament and a rainbow/chaos coalition go as (big) failure for the Tories or Mayisms, as they now prefer to be called, a blatant cult of personality btw... | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... I always do !
I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment !
Thing is , he does try to answer the question !
And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it !
Put my money down on a hung parliament and a rainbow coalition.It'll be a beautiful thing. . You still spoiling your vote and not voting tory or ukip.
Would a hung parliament and a rainbow/chaos coalition go as (big) failure for the Tories or Mayisms, as they now prefer to be called, a blatant cult of personality btw... "I think even a Tory win with a gain of only a handful of seats would be pretty embarrassing for May given where she started from. | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... I always do !
I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment !
Thing is , he does try to answer the question !
And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it !
Put my money down on a hung parliament and a rainbow coalition.It'll be a beautiful thing. . You still spoiling your vote and not voting tory or ukip. probbally , but s none of the above would be better ! And if they got the most votes a referendum run should be held !
On principal I should vote UKIP but it's a wasted vote in York under our system ! Only labour or the cons have s chance ! I don't like the Labour candidate ( a strong remainer ) the Tory has been silent as hell !
The greens have stood down in york to help labour as they are under threat this time ! "we should swap location or votes i live in tory ukip territory .Ukip were narrowly beaten here.The greens did better than labour here . | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... I always do !
I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment !
Thing is , he does try to answer the question !
And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it !
He sets new standards for waffling and avoiding answering questions."Yes, he might waffle a bit, but I still think May holds that record of non-answers with her Plymouth Herald interview: http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/three-minutes-of-nothing-herald-reporter-reflects-on-pm-encounter/story-30363961-detail/story.html -Matt | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... I always do !
I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment !
Thing is , he does try to answer the question !
And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it !
He sets new standards for waffling and avoiding answering questions.
Yes, he might waffle a bit, but I still think May holds that record of non-answers with her Plymouth Herald interview:
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/three-minutes-of-nothing-herald-reporter-reflects-on-pm-encounter/story-30363961-detail/story.html
-Matt"saw that interview a few days back, she just repeats the same mantra. some form of manchurian candidate who has clearly no idea herself. there was an an australian pm who did the same a few years back. does look like on drugs or sime type of hypnosis | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... I always do !
I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment !
Thing is , he does try to answer the question !
And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it !
Put my money down on a hung parliament and a rainbow coalition.It'll be a beautiful thing. . You still spoiling your vote and not voting tory or ukip. probbally , but s none of the above would be better ! And if they got the most votes a referendum run should be held !
On principal I should vote UKIP but it's a wasted vote in York under our system ! Only labour or the cons have s chance ! I don't like the Labour candidate ( a strong remainer ) the Tory has been silent as hell !
The greens have stood down in york to help labour as they are under threat this time ! we should swap location or votes i live in tory ukip territory .Ukip were narrowly beaten here.The greens did better than labour here ."if it was P R Bob you wouldn't have to | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... I always do !
I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment !
Thing is , he does try to answer the question !
And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it !
He sets new standards for waffling and avoiding answering questions.
Yes, he might waffle a bit, but I still think May holds that record of non-answers with her Plymouth Herald interview:
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/three-minutes-of-nothing-herald-reporter-reflects-on-pm-encounter/story-30363961-detail/story.html
-Matt"Also a notice how Tories constantly put words in his mouth. | |||
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"I started this thread , as I thought thier was a slight chance he could , I still don't think he will but I'm certain now he is going to do a lot better than anyone could have imagined ! I'm Warming to him and that should be impossible Jesus titty fucking Christ next thing youll be telling me your voting green..Mr suit say what you see... I always do !
I'm getting worried about myself tho lol , trying to see if I can get s doctors appointment !
Thing is , he does try to answer the question !
And it takes guts to admit you might not press the button when he knows URL get hammered for it !
He sets new standards for waffling and avoiding answering questions.
Yes, he might waffle a bit, but I still think May holds that record of non-answers with her Plymouth Herald interview:
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/three-minutes-of-nothing-herald-reporter-reflects-on-pm-encounter/story-30363961-detail/story.html
-Matt"Well May avoids the question which is different. Nobody accusses her of giving a straight answer to a straight question. Yet Corbyn waffles to the cows come home, doesn't answer the question and then the lefties say what a straight talker he is! | |||
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"I have had a complete u turn this weekend, shamelessly a bit like May herself. I am going to vote Labour, I really hope Jezza is genuine, if not we are fucked if he gets in. But I want that evil bint out of my government! Yes he's genuine, he genuinely doesn't give a fuck about the economy because he's a marxist (his words) and doesn't even agree with the principle of having money let alone making decisions based on it. " I wish you had not said that, its what worries me. I do think he will shake up the house and hopefully really fuck off the tory lot! | |||
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"I have had a complete u turn this weekend, shamelessly a bit like May herself. I am going to vote Labour, I really hope Jezza is genuine, if not we are fucked if he gets in. But I want that evil bint out of my government! Yes he's genuine, he genuinely doesn't give a fuck about the economy because he's a marxist (his words) and doesn't even agree with the principle of having money let alone making decisions based on it. I wish you had not said that, its what worries me. I do think he will shake up the house and hopefully really fuck off the tory lot! " It's your vote and you live with the consequences. Ultimately I'm not scared because my assets are divided between three countries anyway, so at worst he can damage a third of my wealth. If you are finanically secure like that then by all means take a punt on him, but you'll be fucked if you're wrong and i won't be. | |||
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"Thing is, May is an evil bint! If he is a true Marxist he will rule, not lead, with an iron fist, opposition will be taken out and all utilities returned to the state just for starters. To be fair, if you read the Marxist manifesto we already have more than we should in common with it. NHS, welfare, Central bank etc. " No we have nothing in common with marxism. Marxism is based on a zero sum fallacy where producitivity is static. We live in a economy where the goal is always to improve productivity because that is the only way wages can rise in real terms without inflation. The NHS is just socialist politics paid for by a capitalist economy. | |||
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"I have had a complete u turn this weekend, shamelessly a bit like May herself. I am going to vote Labour, I really hope Jezza is genuine, if not we are fucked if he gets in. But I want that evil bint out of my government! Yes he's genuine, he genuinely doesn't give a fuck about the economy because he's a marxist (his words) and doesn't even agree with the principle of having money let alone making decisions based on it. I wish you had not said that, its what worries me. I do think he will shake up the house and hopefully really fuck off the tory lot! It's your vote and you live with the consequences. Ultimately I'm not scared because my assets are divided between three countries anyway, so at worst he can damage a third of my wealth. If you are finanically secure like that then by all means take a punt on him, but you'll be fucked if you're wrong and i won't be. " i would consider emigration if i was you.You seem quite vunerable to fluctuations in market .My assets are in property and they are firmily fixed in English dirt and aren't going anywhere and corbyn wont bankrupt me. | |||
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"I have had a complete u turn this weekend, shamelessly a bit like May herself. I am going to vote Labour, I really hope Jezza is genuine, if not we are fucked if he gets in. But I want that evil bint out of my government! Yes he's genuine, he genuinely doesn't give a fuck about the economy because he's a marxist (his words) and doesn't even agree with the principle of having money let alone making decisions based on it. I wish you had not said that, its what worries me. I do think he will shake up the house and hopefully really fuck off the tory lot! It's your vote and you live with the consequences. Ultimately I'm not scared because my assets are divided between three countries anyway, so at worst he can damage a third of my wealth. If you are finanically secure like that then by all means take a punt on him, but you'll be fucked if you're wrong and i won't be. i would consider emigration if i was you.You seem quite vunerable to fluctuations in market .My assets are in property and they are firmily fixed in English dirt and aren't going anywhere and corbyn wont bankrupt me. "Yeah because he won't get in x | |||
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" It's your vote and you live with the consequences. Ultimately I'm not scared because my assets are divided between three countries anyway, so at worst he can damage a third of my wealth. If you are finanically secure like that then by all means take a punt on him, but you'll be fucked if you're wrong and i won't be. i would consider emigration if i was you.You seem quite vunerable to fluctuations in market .My assets are in property and they are firmily fixed in English dirt and aren't going anywhere and corbyn wont bankrupt me. "Unless he decides to up taxes on property especially if you have more than one and then take 90% of it when you die or pass it on, someone will have topay for all his nonsense and why do you think it wont be you ? All these parents who think their kids wont be paying for uni aint going to be too pleased when their tax goes up to pay for it instead plus for all the others too | |||
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"I have had a complete u turn this weekend, shamelessly a bit like May herself. I am going to vote Labour, I really hope Jezza is genuine, if not we are fucked if he gets in. But I want that evil bint out of my government! Yes he's genuine, he genuinely doesn't give a fuck about the economy because he's a marxist (his words) and doesn't even agree with the principle of having money let alone making decisions based on it. I wish you had not said that, its what worries me. I do think he will shake up the house and hopefully really fuck off the tory lot! It's your vote and you live with the consequences. Ultimately I'm not scared because my assets are divided between three countries anyway, so at worst he can damage a third of my wealth. If you are finanically secure like that then by all means take a punt on him, but you'll be fucked if you're wrong and i won't be. i would consider emigration if i was you.You seem quite vunerable to fluctuations in market .My assets are in property and they are firmily fixed in English dirt and aren't going anywhere and corbyn wont bankrupt me. "As for fluctuations, i think the long term outlook for RMB is way better than GBP, wouldn't you agree? | |||
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"I have had a complete u turn this weekend, shamelessly a bit like May herself. I am going to vote Labour, I really hope Jezza is genuine, if not we are fucked if he gets in. But I want that evil bint out of my government! Yes he's genuine, he genuinely doesn't give a fuck about the economy because he's a marxist (his words) and doesn't even agree with the principle of having money let alone making decisions based on it. " I've read some stupid stuff on Fab in my time, but you may have officially taken the biscuit. Get a clue! | |||
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"I have had a complete u turn this weekend, shamelessly a bit like May herself. I am going to vote Labour, I really hope Jezza is genuine, if not we are fucked if he gets in. But I want that evil bint out of my government! Yes he's genuine, he genuinely doesn't give a fuck about the economy because he's a marxist (his words) and doesn't even agree with the principle of having money let alone making decisions based on it. I've read some stupid stuff on Fab in my time, but you may have officially taken the biscuit. Get a clue! "Is he a marxist or not? | |||
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" It's your vote and you live with the consequences. Ultimately I'm not scared because my assets are divided between three countries anyway, so at worst he can damage a third of my wealth. If you are finanically secure like that then by all means take a punt on him, but you'll be fucked if you're wrong and i won't be. i would consider emigration if i was you.You seem quite vunerable to fluctuations in market .My assets are in property and they are firmily fixed in English dirt and aren't going anywhere and corbyn wont bankrupt me.
Unless he decides to up taxes on property especially if you have more than one and then take 90% of it when you die or pass it on, someone will have topay for all his nonsense and why do you think it wont be you ?
All these parents who think their kids wont be paying for uni aint going to be too pleased when their tax goes up to pay for it instead plus for all the others too"I fully expect the tories and labour to try and attempt to strip my assets on my death but thats 50 years away .You need to sell up before you get to old and cash out.Buy your kids a house.My parents in their 70s are selling up next year due to fear of tory policies and they are lifetime tories but they see the writing on the wall.They live in a 900k house in bath . | |||
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"The sad events at London Bridge could work in favour of May it might get her the win she wants as terrorism will now be part of the campaign and will expose Corbyn" Expose him for what?! Bear in mind that May had been Home Sec / PM for SEVEN years and is now saying 'enough is enough' today. Despite having two terrorist attacks in a fortnight on her watch and having cut police forces by 20,000. Oh, and then saying the police were 'crying wolf' when they said that that would be a bad idea. What exactly do you think this will expose Corbyn as? And don't say 'terrorist sympathiser' like a fucking broken record unless you actually have anything to back that up with. And by 'back that up' I don't mean parroting 'he met the IRA'... because as you know pretty much every fucking politician did at the time. Whether you like Corbyn or not and whether you like Labour's policies or not, the attacks and the decimation of our Police force and front-line services fall solely on the shoulders of one woman. -Matt | |||
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"The sad events at London Bridge could work in favour of May it might get her the win she wants as terrorism will now be part of the campaign and will expose Corbyn Expose him for what?! Bear in mind that May had been Home Sec / PM for SEVEN years and is now saying 'enough is enough' today. Despite having two terrorist attacks in a fortnight on her watch and having cut police forces by 20,000. Oh, and then saying the police were 'crying wolf' when they said that that would be a bad idea. What exactly do you think this will expose Corbyn as? And don't say 'terrorist sympathiser' like a fucking broken record unless you actually have anything to back that up with. And by 'back that up' I don't mean parroting 'he met the IRA'... because as you know pretty much every fucking politician did at the time. Whether you like Corbyn or not and whether you like Labour's policies or not, the attacks and the decimation of our Police force and front-line services fall solely on the shoulders of one woman. -Matt" Rubbish you forget that rules where made when Camaron was PM and there is plenty of money for fighting terrorism it is everyday policing that suffers | |||
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"The sad events at London Bridge could work in favour of May it might get her the win she wants as terrorism will now be part of the campaign and will expose Corbyn Expose him for what?! Bear in mind that May had been Home Sec / PM for SEVEN years and is now saying 'enough is enough' today. Despite having two terrorist attacks in a fortnight on her watch and having cut police forces by 20,000. Oh, and then saying the police were 'crying wolf' when they said that that would be a bad idea. What exactly do you think this will expose Corbyn as? And don't say 'terrorist sympathiser' like a fucking broken record unless you actually have anything to back that up with. And by 'back that up' I don't mean parroting 'he met the IRA'... because as you know pretty much every fucking politician did at the time. Whether you like Corbyn or not and whether you like Labour's policies or not, the attacks and the decimation of our Police force and front-line services fall solely on the shoulders of one woman. -Matt" The fact that the atters were shot within 8 minutes proves there were enough armed police around and its intelligence that prevents the attacks and the spending on that has risen | |||
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" It's your vote and you live with the consequences. Ultimately I'm not scared because my assets are divided between three countries anyway, so at worst he can damage a third of my wealth. If you are finanically secure like that then by all means take a punt on him, but you'll be fucked if you're wrong and i won't be. i would consider emigration if i was you.You seem quite vunerable to fluctuations in market .My assets are in property and they are firmily fixed in English dirt and aren't going anywhere and corbyn wont bankrupt me.
Unless he decides to up taxes on property especially if you have more than one and then take 90% of it when you die or pass it on, someone will have topay for all his nonsense and why do you think it wont be you ?
All these parents who think their kids wont be paying for uni aint going to be too pleased when their tax goes up to pay for it instead plus for all the others too I fully expect the tories and labour to try and attempt to strip my assets on my death but thats 50 years away .You need to sell up before you get to old and cash out.Buy your kids a house.My parents in their 70s are selling up next year due to fear of tory policies and they are lifetime tories but they see the writing on the wall.They live in a 900k house in bath ."But corbyn will tax you on the asset by upping property tax ownership tax you on its sale and tax you again on any transfer, your parents will have missed the boat id he wins | |||
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" It's your vote and you live with the consequences. Ultimately I'm not scared because my assets are divided between three countries anyway, so at worst he can damage a third of my wealth. If you are finanically secure like that then by all means take a punt on him, but you'll be fucked if you're wrong and i won't be. i would consider emigration if i was you.You seem quite vunerable to fluctuations in market .My assets are in property and they are firmily fixed in English dirt and aren't going anywhere and corbyn wont bankrupt me.
Unless he decides to up taxes on property especially if you have more than one and then take 90% of it when you die or pass it on, someone will have topay for all his nonsense and why do you think it wont be you ?
All these parents who think their kids wont be paying for uni aint going to be too pleased when their tax goes up to pay for it instead plus for all the others too I fully expect the tories and labour to try and attempt to strip my assets on my death but thats 50 years away .You need to sell up before you get to old and cash out.Buy your kids a house.My parents in their 70s are selling up next year due to fear of tory policies and they are lifetime tories but they see the writing on the wall.They live in a 900k house in bath .
But corbyn will tax you on the asset by upping property tax ownership tax you on its sale and tax you again on any transfer, your parents will have missed the boat id he wins "The tories will take it if they win.They're selling because of the tory manifesto. . They dont think corbyn will win. | |||
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"The sad events at London Bridge could work in favour of May it might get her the win she wants as terrorism will now be part of the campaign and will expose Corbyn Expose him for what?! Bear in mind that May had been Home Sec / PM for SEVEN years and is now saying 'enough is enough' today. Despite having two terrorist attacks in a fortnight on her watch and having cut police forces by 20,000. Oh, and then saying the police were 'crying wolf' when they said that that would be a bad idea. What exactly do you think this will expose Corbyn as? And don't say 'terrorist sympathiser' like a fucking broken record unless you actually have anything to back that up with. And by 'back that up' I don't mean parroting 'he met the IRA'... because as you know pretty much every fucking politician did at the time. Whether you like Corbyn or not and whether you like Labour's policies or not, the attacks and the decimation of our Police force and front-line services fall solely on the shoulders of one woman. -MattRubbish you forget that rules where made when Camaron was PM and there is plenty of money for fighting terrorism it is everyday policing that suffers" Yes exactly, when Cameron was PM. And May was Home Sec! And the everyday policing has suffered as a result of the cuts she has made. Despite being warned by the police it was a bad move. -Matt | |||
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"May was home sec when Mi6 packed of uk muslims to Libya etc! " Diane Abbott who will be Home secretary if Labour win has said she wants to abolish MI5 and MI6. We won't even have an MI5 or MI6 if Labour win. | |||
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"The sad events at London Bridge could work in favour of May it might get her the win she wants as terrorism will now be part of the campaign and will expose Corbyn Expose him for what?! Bear in mind that May had been Home Sec / PM for SEVEN years and is now saying 'enough is enough' today. Despite having two terrorist attacks in a fortnight on her watch and having cut police forces by 20,000. Oh, and then saying the police were 'crying wolf' when they said that that would be a bad idea. What exactly do you think this will expose Corbyn as? And don't say 'terrorist sympathiser' like a fucking broken record unless you actually have anything to back that up with. And by 'back that up' I don't mean parroting 'he met the IRA'... because as you know pretty much every fucking politician did at the time. Whether you like Corbyn or not and whether you like Labour's policies or not, the attacks and the decimation of our Police force and front-line services fall solely on the shoulders of one woman. -MattRubbish you forget that rules where made when Camaron was PM and there is plenty of money for fighting terrorism it is everyday policing that suffers Yes exactly, when Cameron was PM. And May was Home Sec! And the everyday policing has suffered as a result of the cuts she has made. Despite being warned by the police it was a bad move. -Matt " If you want a serious, evidenced based discussion on Police resource, anti terrorism and crime in general then there's one to be had. However you may find when you look at the evidence that it doesn't really support the premise you're trying to make. If you're just using the tragedy of 22 and 7 deaths to try and score political points then shame on you. | |||
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" If you want a serious, evidenced based discussion on Police resource, anti terrorism and crime in general then there's one to be had. However you may find when you look at the evidence that it doesn't really support the premise you're trying to make. If you're just using the tragedy of 22 and 7 deaths to try and score political points then shame on you." Regardless of which side you support its an issue that deserves attention and both candidates should be scrutinised on this as with any other issue. No ones using the deaths to score political points here, but there is a discussion on the track records and future plans in this area. Trying to shame people into not discussing it is cheap. | |||
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"The sad events at London Bridge could work in favour of May it might get her the win she wants as terrorism will now be part of the campaign and will expose Corbyn Expose him for what?! Bear in mind that May had been Home Sec / PM for SEVEN years and is now saying 'enough is enough' today. Despite having two terrorist attacks in a fortnight on her watch and having cut police forces by 20,000. Oh, and then saying the police were 'crying wolf' when they said that that would be a bad idea. What exactly do you think this will expose Corbyn as? And don't say 'terrorist sympathiser' like a fucking broken record unless you actually have anything to back that up with. And by 'back that up' I don't mean parroting 'he met the IRA'... because as you know pretty much every fucking politician did at the time. Whether you like Corbyn or not and whether you like Labour's policies or not, the attacks and the decimation of our Police force and front-line services fall solely on the shoulders of one woman. -MattRubbish you forget that rules where made when Camaron was PM and there is plenty of money for fighting terrorism it is everyday policing that suffers Yes exactly, when Cameron was PM. And May was Home Sec! And the everyday policing has suffered as a result of the cuts she has made. Despite being warned by the police it was a bad move. -Matt If you want a serious, evidenced based discussion on Police resource, anti terrorism and crime in general then there's one to be had. However you may find when you look at the evidence that it doesn't really support the premise you're trying to make. If you're just using the tragedy of 22 and 7 deaths to try and score political points then shame on you." No, I'm not trying to score political points. I just want out front line services (and rest of public services) funded correctly. If the Tories were going to do it, then I'd vote for them. But they aren't, and they haven't, and they have repeatedly u-turned on pretty much everything, so don't have any confidence in them that they would. -Matt | |||
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"The sad events at London Bridge could work in favour of May it might get her the win she wants as terrorism will now be part of the campaign and will expose Corbyn Expose him for what?! Bear in mind that May had been Home Sec / PM for SEVEN years and is now saying 'enough is enough' today. Despite having two terrorist attacks in a fortnight on her watch and having cut police forces by 20,000. Oh, and then saying the police were 'crying wolf' when they said that that would be a bad idea. What exactly do you think this will expose Corbyn as? And don't say 'terrorist sympathiser' like a fucking broken record unless you actually have anything to back that up with. And by 'back that up' I don't mean parroting 'he met the IRA'... because as you know pretty much every fucking politician did at the time. Whether you like Corbyn or not and whether you like Labour's policies or not, the attacks and the decimation of our Police force and front-line services fall solely on the shoulders of one woman. -MattRubbish you forget that rules where made when Camaron was PM and there is plenty of money for fighting terrorism it is everyday policing that suffers Yes exactly, when Cameron was PM. And May was Home Sec! And the everyday policing has suffered as a result of the cuts she has made. Despite being warned by the police it was a bad move. -Matt If you want a serious, evidenced based discussion on Police resource, anti terrorism and crime in general then there's one to be had. However you may find when you look at the evidence that it doesn't really support the premise you're trying to make. If you're just using the tragedy of 22 and 7 deaths to try and score political points then shame on you. No, I'm not trying to score political points. I just want out front line services (and rest of public services) funded correctly. If the Tories were going to do it, then I'd vote for them. But they aren't, and they haven't, and they have repeatedly u-turned on pretty much everything, so don't have any confidence in them that they would. -Matt" An armed response time of 8 minutes is definitely not evidence of a lack of resources in that area. There are legitimate questions to be asked about security and levels of resources for all the services but, with the possible exception of intelligence, and even that's not clear cut, nothing that happened either in Manchester or London can be put down to a lack of resources being available to either the police or NHS. I really think you're getting the tone totally wrong on this one. | |||
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"The sad events at London Bridge could work in favour of May it might get her the win she wants as terrorism will now be part of the campaign and will expose Corbyn Expose him for what?! Bear in mind that May had been Home Sec / PM for SEVEN years and is now saying 'enough is enough' today. Despite having two terrorist attacks in a fortnight on her watch and having cut police forces by 20,000. Oh, and then saying the police were 'crying wolf' when they said that that would be a bad idea. What exactly do you think this will expose Corbyn as? And don't say 'terrorist sympathiser' like a fucking broken record unless you actually have anything to back that up with. And by 'back that up' I don't mean parroting 'he met the IRA'... because as you know pretty much every fucking politician did at the time. Whether you like Corbyn or not and whether you like Labour's policies or not, the attacks and the decimation of our Police force and front-line services fall solely on the shoulders of one woman. -MattRubbish you forget that rules where made when Camaron was PM and there is plenty of money for fighting terrorism it is everyday policing that suffers Yes exactly, when Cameron was PM. And May was Home Sec! And the everyday policing has suffered as a result of the cuts she has made. Despite being warned by the police it was a bad move. -Matt If you want a serious, evidenced based discussion on Police resource, anti terrorism and crime in general then there's one to be had. However you may find when you look at the evidence that it doesn't really support the premise you're trying to make. If you're just using the tragedy of 22 and 7 deaths to try and score political points then shame on you. No, I'm not trying to score political points. I just want out front line services (and rest of public services) funded correctly. If the Tories were going to do it, then I'd vote for them. But they aren't, and they haven't, and they have repeatedly u-turned on pretty much everything, so don't have any confidence in them that they would. -Matt An armed response time of 8 minutes is definitely not evidence of a lack of resources in that area. There are legitimate questions to be asked about security and levels of resources for all the services but, with the possible exception of intelligence, and even that's not clear cut, nothing that happened either in Manchester or London can be put down to a lack of resources being available to either the police or NHS. I really think you're getting the tone totally wrong on this one." Former Conservative party leader Ian Duncan Smith talked about it today on BBC radio 2 Jeremy Vine show, the police response time is now faster than it was for the 7/7 terrorist attacks that happened under the Blair Labour government despite the cut in police numbers the response is now quicker and better. | |||
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