FabSwingers.com forum: Tory manifesto (Pt2)

By *illwill69u OP Man
over a year ago

moston

Anyone got to the bit about controlling the internet?

Seems Ms May does not just want to know what sites we visit and what our emails say, she now has plans to decide what sites we can visit and what we can say and share on the internet. Now considering she is an authoritarian vickers daughter who it is believed has strong views on infidelity, do any of the pro Tory forumites wish to comment about how this little titbit at the end of the manifesto will probably directly affect fab and us all?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My guess is not in the slightest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a pro Tory btw.

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By *illwill69u OP Man
over a year ago

moston

Rumour is that she really sacked Gove because he refused to sack 2 of his advisers when she found out they were having an affair.

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By *wingtolifeCouple
over a year ago

who knows

well seeing as isps, will be able to sell your viewing history to anyone, and any big co.pany would probably have these searches in place, through profiling it is quite scary that any future job application could be screened for any such behaviour, i have no idea why anyone would vote for such an authoritarian.

always wonder how people like hitler got into powervetc etc and you can see history repeating itself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They have taken most of the peoples benefits and now they are after the pensioners winter fuel. I wonder why they dont mention that in the manifesto? To take from the poor and give to the rich, the robin hood tax.

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By *oole2010Couple
over a year ago

southampto

They have asked for a means test on winter fuel payments which means they are doing what the population has been moaning about for the last few years

Rich pensioners that dint need it especially ones living in thailand dont need it as the welfare system is or should be based on need to support people and not a god given right

After all thats what it was intended for, you and i and everyone else pays into a pot for people that need it in hard times its not a right

I pay more in tax and ni than some people earn in a week

But i dont care as long as mildred down the road gets a hip replacement if she needs it

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By *oole2010Couple
over a year ago

southampto

They have asked for a means test on winter fuel payments which means they are doing what the population has been moaning about for the last few years

Rich pensioners that dint need it especially ones living in thailand dont need it as the welfare system is or should be based on need to support people and not a god given right

After all thats what it was intended for, you and i and everyone else pays into a pot for people that need it in hard times its not a right

I pay more in tax and ni than some people earn in a week

But i dont care as long as mildred down the road gets a hip replacement if she needs it

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By *oole2010Couple
over a year ago

southampto

"Rumour is that she really sacked Gove because he refused to sack 2 of his advisers when she found out they were having an affair."

Did you read that in the ok magazine?

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By *illwill69u OP Man
over a year ago

moston

"Rumour is that she really sacked Gove because he refused to sack 2 of his advisers when she found out they were having an affair.

Did you read that in the ok magazine?"

No, amongst other places that carried that story it was covered by the Mail (a paper you quote quite often I believe).

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"They have taken most of the peoples benefits and now they are after the pensioners winter fuel. I wonder why they dont mention that in the manifesto? To take from the poor and give to the rich, the robin hood tax."
They will not take it from the poor,the thing is she has not set the starting point for removing it.

I do feel I people are still working they should not get it and if they live abroad they should get it.

It does depend on where the line is drawn she needs to do this otherwise could cost her a few seats.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Jeremy Corbyn has said that he would not means test it. So Paul McCartney can have his £200 as JC sees it as a universal benefit.

Will he apply the same criteria to Child Benefit?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Jeremy Corbyn has said that he would not means test it. So Paul McCartney can have his £200 as JC sees it as a universal benefit.

Will he apply the same criteria to Child Benefit?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will the tories use the savings they make by means testing .To increase the fuel allowance payments to deserving pensioners?

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By *wingtolifeCouple
over a year ago

who knows

"Jeremy Corbyn has said that he would not means test it. So Paul McCartney can have his £200 as JC sees it as a universal benefit.

Will he apply the same criteria to Child Benefit?

Jeremy Corbyn also said on the the Jeremy Vine show on BBC radio 2 in the week he would be happy for a multi millionaire pensioner like Mick Jagger to continue to get the winter fuel allowance and that is what would happen under Loopy Labour. People like Mick Jagger should not be getting it. The winter fuel allowance should be means tested and of course less well off pensioners will continue to get it. It's the very wealthy pensioners who will stop getting it and rightly so. "
also the very weak too, those not strong enough, those that would be put under pressure to apply, those that dont want to go through the paperwork having to prove your legible. would believe many frail pensioners wouldnt speak up. well hopefully they will for this election

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Anyone got to the bit about controlling the internet?

In answer to your questions, here is a very good concise round-up of the digital parts that the Tories plan on bringing in, in which they talk about bringing in censorship:

https://paulbernal.wordpress.com/2017/05/19/a-disturbing-plan-for-control/

As to how it affects the likes of Fab, I'm not sure. As the article above states, they make no distinction between 'pornography' and 'illegal pornography' which seems to paint the picture that even legal sexual acts and activities are to be targeted.

As to the actual feasibility of restricting access to Fab, it would be very tricky to actually do so in a technical sense without larger collateral damage. Simply making it illegal would be the 'easier' route but not sure on what grounds they could make it illegal.

-Matt

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"They have taken most of the peoples benefits and now they are after the pensioners winter fuel. I wonder why they dont mention that in the manifesto? To take from the poor and give to the rich, the robin hood tax.They will not take it from the poor,the thing is she has not set the starting point for removing it.

I do feel I people are still working they should not get it and if they live abroad they should get it.

It does depend on where the line is drawn she needs to do this otherwise could cost her a few seats."

actually if you read the manifesto what you have said is not true....

she HAS actually set a point for where it would be removed.... and it is a lot further than anyone else has ever suggested...

the proposal is to remove the winter fuel payment from everyone with the exception of those to people who are on pension credit......

any single pensioner who's weekly income is less than 155 pound a week...

any married pensioner couple who's combined weekly income is less than 243 pounds a week.....

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

in the past they have only ever consider taking winter fuel payments from those in higher tax bands and those who live abroad... just like for example child benefit (since centaur brought that example up)

now under may's proposals you are going to have a lot of people who's pensions are below the single persons tax allowance... but not get any winter fuel help.....

I think it is more interesting that the tories took the removal of the allowance out of their scottish manifesto.......

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Shouldn't every benefit be means tested tho winter fuel to licence buss passes pip dla ?

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Shouldn't every benefit be means tested tho winter fuel to licence buss passes pip dla ?"

In an ideal world yes. But *how* are you going to means test pensioners? They are generally retired, and so have often no income. I can't remember which office said it, but apparently the actual process of means testing the winter fuel allowance would cost as much as an saving that would be achieved. So not as simple as you might think.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They talked about it on question time and they said, we are the worlds 5th largest economy and yet we cant even support the pensioners and the younger ones.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Exactly 5th largest yet we r the second biggest donator or overseas aid why not the 5th maybe could look after our own poor a bit more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Exactly 5th largest yet we r the second biggest donator or overseas aid why not the 5th maybe could look after our own poor a bit more "
That is right as britain will be in extreme poverty, so they could cut back on foreign aid and instead help their own people instead of them needing to go to food banks.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Exactly 5th largest yet we r the second biggest donator or overseas aid why not the 5th maybe could look after our own poor a bit more "

Ukip would cut the foreign aid budget and spend the money saved here in the UK, and it's in the Tory manifesto to review and possibly alter the way foreign aid is spent (although they would keep the 0.7%). As for Labour and the Lib dems, just more of the same old, same old keep the 0.7% and keep spending it on daft projects like an Ethiopian version of the Spice Girls.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Or yes was half a million spent on them wasn't it can't wait for the album

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By *illwill69u OP Man
over a year ago

moston

Whats the betting that if the Tories win some 2 or 3 years after they implement their winter fuel means test we find out that the company owned or part owned by some foreign country charges more to administer the means test than is saved by the means test?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"can i bring this topic right back full circle and ask the people who are going to vote tory what they like about the manifesto...

is it just "all about brexit" and forget everything else....

just because for example.... on education spend alone.. the IFS have done the sums based on manifesto pledges.... and works out its actually a real term cut....

i haven't heard one person back up the proposals on social care today....

or on taking Winter fuel payments not only from the rich (of which there was agreement) but on everyone except those on pension credit...

or the "breakfast for lunch" swop on school meals....

or the cap on energy bills, which everyone hated when milliband proposed it....

or is everything just so fixated on "brexit" that they get a pass on everything else....

I am really just curious.....

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

and i ask because the spin from the right wing newspapers wasn't "brilliant decision!" but.... "well at least she was telling you the truth!"

because i have had conversations with people planning on voting tory... and when you actually mention the plans on pensioners, or education, or social care those plans are never defended.... but the topic is always quickly moved on brexit.....

..... and that is always what happens here...

thats why i ask is it just solely based on brexit......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""can i bring this topic right back full circle and ask the people who are going to vote tory what they like about the manifesto...

is it just "all about brexit" and forget everything else....

just because for example.... on education spend alone.. the IFS have done the sums based on manifesto pledges.... and works out its actually a real term cut....

i haven't heard one person back up the proposals on social care today....

or on taking Winter fuel payments not only from the rich (of which there was agreement) but on everyone except those on pension credit...

or the "breakfast for lunch" swop on school meals....

or the cap on energy bills, which everyone hated when milliband proposed it....

or is everything just so fixated on "brexit" that they get a pass on everything else....

I am really just curious....."
I am not sure what a brexitor is smoking to believe in their utopia.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"and i ask because the spin from the right wing newspapers wasn't "brilliant decision!" but.... "well at least she was telling you the truth!"

..... and that is always what happens here...

thats why i ask is it just solely based on brexit......"

I was going to answer this for you on the other thread the other day Fabio but it filled up to 175 posts. Seeing as you ask again though I agree with the tories on keeping and renewing trident. Labour cannot be trusted on trident despite it being in the Labour manifesto to keep it you've already had Emily Thornberry saying it could be scrapped if Labour win. Everyone also knows Corbyn personally wants to scrap trident. The security of the nation is the most important thing and trident is key to our security. Labour cannot be trusted on Trident and they can't be trusted on Brexit either.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

For me it's all about brexit u couldn't trust corbyn to put up a fight in a million yrs may is the best we AV for this scrap by a mile then the next elections I'll b voting labour again by then they will AV sumone with a pair of balls

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"For me it's all about brexit u couldn't trust corbyn to put up a fight in a million yrs may is the best we AV for this scrap by a mile then the next elections I'll b voting labour again by then they will AV sumone with a pair of balls "

And yet JC remained firm in the face of a revolt by the Blairites in Labour, stood and won a second time as leader. He's had to show more resolve than May even in recent history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The energy price is going up, which was one of their points to cut lol.

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By *illwill69u OP Man
over a year ago

moston

I find it strange that all you hear about when it comes to broken promises is JC and Labour said he would clear all student debt and then said they would not. Such anger in the media about something that was not in the Labour manifesto.

However as far as I can see nothing of the Conservative manifesto survived to make it into (the new 2 year) Queens speech after May had managed to do a grubby deal with probably the vilest party in Westminster to secure power. And yet there is no media outrage over that. Even in the face of British Gas (partially owned by BlackRock Inc) raising electricity prices by 12%, only a comment that the government will talk tough but do nothing!

Guess May is our Trump. Or maybe just Trump's mini me...

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