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"As if any further proof was needed about his collusion with the Russians, he's now sharing intelligence with them! "It's bad, but he has the authority to share it. I wonder if there will be consequences. | |||
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"As if any further proof was needed about his collusion with the Russians, he's now sharing intelligence with them!
It's bad, but he has the authority to share it. I wonder if there will be consequences. "Legally he can, however the intelligence didn't originate from the US, and the originating country didn't give permission for that intelligence to be shared. Perhaps they will be less keen to share in the future? | |||
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"As if any further proof was needed about his collusion with the Russians, he's now sharing intelligence with them!
It's bad, but he has the authority to share it. I wonder if there will be consequences.
Legally he can, however the intelligence didn't originate from the US, and the originating country didn't give permission for that intelligence to be shared. Perhaps they will be less keen to share in the future? "Ah then it's more political. | |||
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"As if any further proof was needed about his collusion with the Russians, he's now sharing intelligence with them!
It's bad, but he has the authority to share it. I wonder if there will be consequences.
Legally he can, however the intelligence didn't originate from the US, and the originating country didn't give permission for that intelligence to be shared. Perhaps they will be less keen to share in the future?
Ah then it's more political. "Maybe ! But that's not a given ! I am amused to see all the fanatical anti Trump radicals foaming at the mouth with this ! 
Problem is..... this is a non issue !
This is another case of a media driven "problem" that doesn't exist !
My approach is pragmatic and technical , and there is not much room for petty partisan politics or hates !
It stands to reason that information on a common enemy will be more or less shared between those affected !
Isis is supported by very few , so most countries in the region and western culture at large has Isis as an enemy!
"my enemy's enemy is my friend" applies here with.... a few limitations , due to some of those that oppose Isis don't get along too well amongst themselves!
Case in point: Turkey vs Russia , Israel , Iran , the Kurds !
Jordan vs Iran !
Israel vs all of the above... exept maybe Jordan and Egypt !
All of the above get on..... or not with the US and Russia!
Intelligence is shared more or less,or not at all, by all depending on the situation !
Some might have an interest in not revealing certain ties and intel sharing, but that's normal too!
All that said .... there is nothing to see here !
If anything, the media , and those who are make an issue of this (including the posters on this thread) are actually actively HELPING Isis !  
In that sense , this situation only weakens those who are trying to defeat Isis , by creating more division and mayhem in our ranks !
I challenge those on here to be intelligent and look at the bigger picture , and not at their petty little hates !
I don't like Putin , but if he is contributing to eradicate Isis , then he has my support !
They are attempting to clean up after the mess Obama left ! 
So what is wrong with Russia and The US sharing intel and cooperating to destroy Isis ?
NOTHING !
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"Apparently the Donald has said that he has done nothing wrong and is totally within his rights as president to tell anyone any US state secret... I seem to remember another US president claiming that the president was above the law, or to quote Nixon 'Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal.' The big question is will the Republican Party commit suicide and refuse to remove Trump before they loose control of the house and senate in the mid term elections? " Come on Will .... You know better then that ! Go Deeper !  | |||
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"yet another thread about how Trump is doing what he said he would. i recall him saying every time i saw him, he would work with the Russians to wipe out ISIS, if you love ISIS so much go the middle east tell them you a swinger sure they be happy crack open the drinks and welcome you to bit of jihad " 
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"Waiting for Tony to come along and tell us it's all part of Trumps great master plan "It didn't take long for him to jump on and furiously masturbate whilst white knighting the cheeto dusted buffoon! | |||
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"It's a tragedy that the once great Washington Post has turned into the News of the World."
You are being too kind with the comparison ...... | |||
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"As if any further proof was needed about his collusion with the Russians, he's now sharing intelligence with them!
It's bad, but he has the authority to share it. I wonder if there will be consequences.
Legally he can, however the intelligence didn't originate from the US, and the originating country didn't give permission for that intelligence to be shared. Perhaps they will be less keen to share in the future?
Ah then it's more political.
Maybe !
But that's not a given !
I am amused to see all the fanatical anti Trump radicals foaming at the mouth with this !
Problem is..... this is a non issue !
This is another case of a media driven "problem" that doesn't exist !
My approach is pragmatic and technical , and there is not much room for petty partisan politics or hates !
It stands to reason that information on a common enemy will be more or less shared between those affected !
Isis is supported by very few , so most countries in the region and western culture at large has Isis as an enemy!
"my enemy's enemy is my friend" applies here with.... a few limitations , due to some of those that oppose Isis don't get along too well amongst themselves!
Case in point: Turkey vs Russia , Israel , Iran , the Kurds !
Jordan vs Iran !
Israel vs all of the above... exept maybe Jordan and Egypt !
All of the above get on..... or not with the US and Russia!
Intelligence is shared more or less,or not at all, by all depending on the situation !
Some might have an interest in not revealing certain ties and intel sharing, but that's normal too!
All that said .... there is nothing to see here !
If anything, the media , and those who are make an issue of this (including the posters on this thread) are actually actively HELPING Isis !
In that sense , this situation only weakens those who are trying to defeat Isis , by creating more division and mayhem in our ranks !
I challenge those on here to be intelligent and look at the bigger picture , and not at their petty little hates !
I don't like Putin , but if he is contributing to eradicate Isis , then he has my support !
They are attempting to clean up after the mess Obama left !
So what is wrong with Russia and The US sharing intel and cooperating to destroy Isis ?
NOTHING !
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"Apparently the Donald has said that he has done nothing wrong and is totally within his rights as president to tell anyone any US state secret... I seem to remember another US president claiming that the president was above the law, or to quote Nixon 'Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal.' The big question is will the Republican Party commit suicide and refuse to remove Trump before they loose control of the house and senate in the mid term elections? Come on Will .... You know better then that ! Go Deeper ! "Deeper! LoL There have and will always be back-channels and sub-rosa sharing of information between adversaries where it is in the common interest. However there is a very good reason for plausible deniability. It is to protect public figures from the reactions of Joe public. Now Tony do you think some redneck whose daddy fought those roosian commies in nam is going to understand or is he going to think his president is a dang traitor! And if you were the head of a UK intelligence gathering agency would you be as willing to share intel with the US? Or if you were head of a US intelligence agency would you be holding back sensitive information from briefing documents because of the risk that the president would leak them? So as I said are the Republican party going to continue protecting the man child or are they going to get rid of him before he wipes them all out? | |||
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"Apparently the Donald has said that he has done nothing wrong and is totally within his rights as president to tell anyone any US state secret... I seem to remember another US president claiming that the president was above the law, or to quote Nixon 'Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal.' The big question is will the Republican Party commit suicide and refuse to remove Trump before they loose control of the house and senate in the mid term elections? Come on Will .... You know better then that ! Go Deeper !
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There have and will always be back-channels and sub-rosa sharing of information between adversaries where it is in the common interest. However there is a very good reason for plausible deniability. It is to protect public figures from the reactions of Joe public.
Now Tony do you think some redneck whose daddy fought those roosian commies in nam is going to understand or is he going to think his president is a dang traitor! And if you were the head of a UK intelligence gathering agency would you be as willing to share intel with the US? Or if you were head of a US intelligence agency would you be holding back sensitive information from briefing documents because of the risk that the president would leak them?
So as I said are the Republican party going to continue protecting the man child or are they going to get rid of him before he wipes them all out?"It seems will, your political bias has "trumped " your rationale this time !
The only case here is what the media made of it !
Nothing more ! So no use distracting us with What ifs !
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"It seems will, your political bias has "trumped " your rationale this time !
The only case here is what the media made of it !
Nothing more ! So no use distracting us with What ifs !
"So no reply to any of my questions then... I wonder why that is???
By the way I don't like Trump because he is a crook, and it is a really bad idea to give crooks power (they always abuse it!) no other reason. | |||
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"It seems will, your political bias has "trumped " your rationale this time !
The only case here is what the media made of it !
Nothing more ! So no use distracting us with What ifs !
So no reply to any of my questions then...
I wonder why that is???
By the way I don't like Trump because he is a crook, and it is a really bad idea to give crooks power (they always abuse it!) no other reason."You ask why there is no reply to your questions ? Simple ! They don't merit one , as you are merely speculating BS questions, fanning the flames and contributing to make something out of nothing ! As I said before, this time your bias has trumped your brain ! As A military man you are aware that this whole "event" only weakens those who fight Isis ! Its a sad day when someone like you , and others contribute to helping the enemy ! A blanket statement and accusation ! Yes! Unfair .... maybe ! But in the end... is it true ? YES | |||
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it wasn't trumps place to share that information because it was given to them based on the fact it would not be shared....
i know you like to defend trump on most things.... but i don't see how you can this time.... its the principle if nothing else | |||
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"It seems will, your political bias has "trumped " your rationale this time !
The only case here is what the media made of it !
Nothing more ! So no use distracting us with What ifs !
So no reply to any of my questions then...
I wonder why that is???
By the way I don't like Trump because he is a crook, and it is a really bad idea to give crooks power (they always abuse it!) no other reason.
You ask why there is no reply to your questions ?
Simple !
They don't merit one , as you are merely speculating BS questions, fanning the flames and contributing to make something out of nothing !
As I said before, this time your bias has trumped your brain !
As A military man you are aware that this whole "event" only weakens those who fight Isis !
Its a sad day when someone like you , and others contribute to helping the enemy !
A blanket statement and accusation !
Yes!
Unfair .... maybe !
But in the end... is it true ? YES "the ruskies have been the ones hunting down isis, somehow it looks like the west aids and abetts isis | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever... "Umm... she didn't share classified information. -Matt | |||
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"As if any further proof was needed about his collusion with the Russians, he's now sharing intelligence with them!
It's bad, but he has the authority to share it. I wonder if there will be consequences.
Legally he can, however the intelligence didn't originate from the US, and the originating country didn't give permission for that intelligence to be shared. Perhaps they will be less keen to share in the future? "They probably won't if they don't fancy continuing to be the largest recipient of foreign military assistance financing. They can pay their own defence bill instead then. | |||
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"As if any further proof was needed about his collusion with the Russians, he's now sharing intelligence with them!
It's bad, but he has the authority to share it. I wonder if there will be consequences.
Legally he can, however the intelligence didn't originate from the US, and the originating country didn't give permission for that intelligence to be shared. Perhaps they will be less keen to share in the future?
They probably won't if they don't fancy continuing to be the largest recipient of foreign military assistance financing. They can pay their own defence bill instead then. "thats is a very clever way of saying who it is..... mind you i wouldn't piss them off too much.. their "agents" are very good at special ops....... | |||
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"As if any further proof was needed about his collusion with the Russians, he's now sharing intelligence with them!
It's bad, but he has the authority to share it. I wonder if there will be consequences.
Legally he can, however the intelligence didn't originate from the US, and the originating country didn't give permission for that intelligence to be shared. Perhaps they will be less keen to share in the future?
They probably won't if they don't fancy continuing to be the largest recipient of foreign military assistance financing. They can pay their own defence bill instead then.
thats is a very clever way of saying who it is..... mind you i wouldn't piss them off too much.. their "agents" are very good at special ops......."... they were just on their way to play tennis!! honest!! | |||
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"Yes supposed to be Israeli Intel according to BBC. I totally don't see why he shouldn't share information about Isis. " lets put it this way..... israel... to the us.... to the russians.... to the syrians..... somehow i don't think mossad will be wanting the syrians to know their intel... | |||
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"another bullshit story by the media. The media is a disgrace in the United States." Even more biased than ours. You guys paid for the intel if it was Israeli, so you can do whatever you want with it! | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever...
Umm... she didn't share classified information.
-Matt"The 30000 emails that were bleach botted from her private email server must have all been spam then | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever...
Umm... she didn't share classified information.
-Matt
The 30000 emails that were bleach botted from her private email server must have all been spam then "Funny how people who raise Clinton's emails never mention pence's, rice's or powell's, or even kerry's. | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever...
Umm... she didn't share classified information.
-Matt
The 30000 emails that were bleach botted from her private email server must have all been spam then
Funny how people who raise Clinton's emails never mention pence's, rice's or powell's, or even kerry's."And its funny how when people call trump a misogynist they never mention Bill Clinton. | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever...
Umm... she didn't share classified information.
-Matt
The 30000 emails that were bleach botted from her private email server must have all been spam then
Funny how people who raise Clinton's emails never mention pence's, rice's or powell's, or even kerry's.
And its funny how when people call trump a misogynist they never mention Bill Clinton. "Funny how people on a swingers site dont understand concepts such as consent. I also dont recall Bill Clinton making offensive comments about women's menstrual cycles. | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever...
Umm... she didn't share classified information.
-Matt
The 30000 emails that were bleach botted from her private email server must have all been spam then
Funny how people who raise Clinton's emails never mention pence's, rice's or powell's, or even kerry's.
And its funny how when people call trump a misogynist they never mention Bill Clinton. "Didnt Bill sack someone from the fbi aswell? What was that about? | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever...
Umm... she didn't share classified information.
-Matt
The 30000 emails that were bleach botted from her private email server must have all been spam then "I've no idea what the phrase "bleach bottled" means in this context. But no, she did not share classified information. -Matt | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever...
Umm... she didn't share classified information.
-Matt
The 30000 emails that were bleach botted from her private email server must have all been spam then
Funny how people who raise Clinton's emails never mention pence's, rice's or powell's, or even kerry's.
And its funny how when people call trump a misogynist they never mention Bill Clinton.
Funny how people on a swingers site dont understand concepts such as consent. I also dont recall Bill Clinton making offensive comments about women's menstrual cycles. "Having consent can still make you a misogynist  And back in 91 there was a few consentual and non consentual allegations at Bill which Hillary labelled as a "Bimbo eruption". Hillary silenced anyone who accused Bill of abuse. | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever...
Umm... she didn't share classified information.
-Matt
The 30000 emails that were bleach botted from her private email server must have all been spam then
I've no idea what the phrase "bleach bottled" means in this context.
But no, she did not share classified information.
-Matt"Sorry that was meant to be BleachBit. Its a program used to free up disk space by deleting history and cache etc. Which you would use if you were trying to hide something. And if you recall the live debates, she leaked the militarys nuclear response time, live on air, to millions of people. | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever...
Umm... she didn't share classified information.
-Matt
The 30000 emails that were bleach botted from her private email server must have all been spam then
Funny how people who raise Clinton's emails never mention pence's, rice's or powell's, or even kerry's.
And its funny how when people call trump a misogynist they never mention Bill Clinton.
Funny how people on a swingers site dont understand concepts such as consent. I also dont recall Bill Clinton making offensive comments about women's menstrual cycles.
Having consent can still make you a misogynist And back in 91 there was a few consentual and non consentual allegations at Bill which Hillary labelled as a "Bimbo eruption". Hillary silenced anyone who accused Bill of abuse."Sorry I'm a bit confused, lets try a simple yes or no here. Is trumps behaviour towards, and comments about women appropriate or not? | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever...
Umm... she didn't share classified information.
-Matt
The 30000 emails that were bleach botted from her private email server must have all been spam then
Funny how people who raise Clinton's emails never mention pence's, rice's or powell's, or even kerry's.
And its funny how when people call trump a misogynist they never mention Bill Clinton.
Funny how people on a swingers site dont understand concepts such as consent. I also dont recall Bill Clinton making offensive comments about women's menstrual cycles.
Having consent can still make you a misogynist And back in 91 there was a few consentual and non consentual allegations at Bill which Hillary labelled as a "Bimbo eruption". Hillary silenced anyone who accused Bill of abuse.
Sorry I'm a bit confused, lets try a simple yes or no here. Is trumps behaviour towards, and comments about women appropriate or not? "Never defended them. So no i dont agree with them. Im not sure what youre confused about? | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever...
Umm... she didn't share classified information.
-Matt
The 30000 emails that were bleach botted from her private email server must have all been spam then
Funny how people who raise Clinton's emails never mention pence's, rice's or powell's, or even kerry's.
And its funny how when people call trump a misogynist they never mention Bill Clinton.
Funny how people on a swingers site dont understand concepts such as consent. I also dont recall Bill Clinton making offensive comments about women's menstrual cycles.
Having consent can still make you a misogynist And back in 91 there was a few consentual and non consentual allegations at Bill which Hillary labelled as a "Bimbo eruption". Hillary silenced anyone who accused Bill of abuse.
Sorry I'm a bit confused, lets try a simple yes or no here. Is trumps behaviour towards, and comments about women appropriate or not? "Among a group of blokes it's normal banter. Have you not got any mates? | |||
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" Sorry I'm a bit confused, lets try a simple yes or no here. Is trumps behaviour towards, and comments about women appropriate or not? Among a group of blokes it's normal banter. Have you not got any mates?" No its not. You really think groups of guys are down the pub talking about grabbing a girls pussy without warning? | |||
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" Sorry I'm a bit confused, lets try a simple yes or no here. Is trumps behaviour towards, and comments about women appropriate or not? Among a group of blokes it's normal banter. Have you not got any mates? No its not. You really think groups of guys are down the pub talking about grabbing a girls pussy without warning?" Dude trump could get caught banging a 15 year old and people would still vote for him and stand by him.Ideology warps morality.Standard. | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever...
Umm... she didn't share classified information.
-Matt"YES she did ! She got away with it because Comey chose to recommend no criminal action based on his "notion" that there was no intent ! See for yourself : interesting stuff starts at minute 3:50! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghph_361wa0 Then later he proved it was shared ! watch from minute 6 ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0tdm-FHGro | |||
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"see tony... you rubbish it all again... so if you were to share something with me in confidence.... and then i decided to tell that information to others what would be the likelyhood of you sharing anything else with me in future.....
it wasn't trumps place to share that information because it was given to them based on the fact it would not be shared....
i know you like to defend trump on most things.... but i don't see how you can this time.... its the principle if nothing else"Sorry not replying earlier Fabio! Was away on a 48 hour holiday !
Its not rubbish, or about defending Trump !
Its about the way the intelligence world works !
You are simplistically comparing it to everyday info confidentiality !
Thats not how it works, and anybody related to the subject knows it!
As evidence, Israel , the source , have said nothing about it ...have they ?
What is worrisome is how it was leaked !
That is a serious security breach , but you dont see anybody in the media asking that question do you ! | |||
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"Hillary should have been president. She never shared classified information...never...ever...
Umm... she didn't share classified information.
-Matt
The 30000 emails that were bleach botted from her private email server must have all been spam then
Funny how people who raise Clinton's emails never mention pence's, rice's or powell's, or even kerry's.
And its funny how when people call trump a misogynist they never mention Bill Clinton.
Funny how people on a swingers site dont understand concepts such as consent. I also dont recall Bill Clinton making offensive comments about women's menstrual cycles.
Having consent can still make you a misogynist And back in 91 there was a few consentual and non consentual allegations at Bill which Hillary labelled as a "Bimbo eruption". Hillary silenced anyone who accused Bill of abuse.
Sorry I'm a bit confused, lets try a simple yes or no here. Is trumps behaviour towards, and comments about women appropriate or not?
Among a group of blokes it's normal banter. Have you not got any mates?"his comments about his own daughter were not normal nor were they any sort of banter among many many groups of blokes and they should never be seen as such.. | |||
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"see tony... you rubbish it all again... so if you were to share something with me in confidence.... and then i decided to tell that information to others what would be the likelyhood of you sharing anything else with me in future.....
it wasn't trumps place to share that information because it was given to them based on the fact it would not be shared....
i know you like to defend trump on most things.... but i don't see how you can this time.... its the principle if nothing else
Sorry not replying earlier Fabio!
Was away on a 48 hour holiday !
Its not rubbish, or about defending Trump !
Its about the way the intelligence world works !
You are simplistically comparing it to everyday info confidentiality !
Thats not how it works, and anybody related to the subject knows it!
As evidence, Israel , the source , have said nothing about it ...have they ?
What is worrisome is how it was leaked !
That is a serious security breach , but you dont see anybody in the media asking that question do you ! "Tony, you know full well if you are half as knowledgeable as you infer on here that the Israeli Government will not publicly say what their true position is on what Trump said to the Russians.. that's diplomacy but its also a down play on how they see the information which their enemies will be all over like a rash.. | |||
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"see tony... you rubbish it all again... so if you were to share something with me in confidence.... and then i decided to tell that information to others what would be the likelyhood of you sharing anything else with me in future.....
it wasn't trumps place to share that information because it was given to them based on the fact it would not be shared....
i know you like to defend trump on most things.... but i don't see how you can this time.... its the principle if nothing else
Sorry not replying earlier Fabio!
Was away on a 48 hour holiday !
Its not rubbish, or about defending Trump !
Its about the way the intelligence world works !
You are simplistically comparing it to everyday info confidentiality !
Thats not how it works, and anybody related to the subject knows it!
As evidence, Israel , the source , have said nothing about it ...have they ?
What is worrisome is how it was leaked !
That is a serious security breach , but you dont see anybody in the media asking that question do you !
Tony, you know full well if you are half as knowledgeable as you infer on here that the Israeli Government will not publicly say what their true position is on what Trump said to the Russians..
that's diplomacy but its also a down play on how they see the information which their enemies will be all over like a rash.. "Yes You are right ! But you had the good sense to think a bit deeper ! Others on here keep making statements based on simplistic notions ! So I responded in kind .... just to see what the reply would be ! Now having said that...... who do you think is helping the Russians with intel? Or rather let me ask : Who in the region has the best intel infrastructure ? Who has most to gain with the Russian campaign in Syria ? Besides Assad of course ! Who dew to passed conflicts and in case of future ones has satellites and detailed info on terrain and targets in the region ? mmm..... Could it be the same country that destroyed the Syrian nuclear reactor program some time back ?
Believe me no one is bothered !
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"see tony... you rubbish it all again... so if you were to share something with me in confidence.... and then i decided to tell that information to others what would be the likelyhood of you sharing anything else with me in future.....
it wasn't trumps place to share that information because it was given to them based on the fact it would not be shared....
i know you like to defend trump on most things.... but i don't see how you can this time.... its the principle if nothing else
Sorry not replying earlier Fabio!
Was away on a 48 hour holiday !
Its not rubbish, or about defending Trump !
Its about the way the intelligence world works !
You are simplistically comparing it to everyday info confidentiality !
Thats not how it works, and anybody related to the subject knows it!
As evidence, Israel , the source , have said nothing about it ...have they ?
What is worrisome is how it was leaked !
That is a serious security breach , but you dont see anybody in the media asking that question do you !
Tony, you know full well if you are half as knowledgeable as you infer on here that the Israeli Government will not publicly say what their true position is on what Trump said to the Russians..
that's diplomacy but its also a down play on how they see the information which their enemies will be all over like a rash..
Yes You are right !
But you had the good sense to think a bit deeper !
Others on here keep making statements based on simplistic notions ! So I responded in kind .... just to see what the reply would be !
Now having said that...... who do you think is helping the Russians with intel? Or rather let me ask :
Who in the region has the best intel infrastructure ? Who has most to gain with the Russian campaign in Syria ? Besides Assad of course !
Who dew to passed conflicts and in case of future ones has satellites and detailed info on terrain and targets in the region ?
mmm..... Could it be the same country that destroyed the Syrian nuclear reactor program some time back ?
Believe me no one is bothered !
But I insist .... what is serious are the leaks in the US security system! "Then they should close down his Twitter account. Sorry cheap shot .
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" The news is full of reports that should be confidential. Who would leak it? whoever it was that Trump told to leak it Even if it wasn't trump. Who would be solely responsible for the leaks? Anybody who wants to undermine trump ! All the leaks have been for that purpose! Not the lamestream media narrative , but a fact .... and we all know when it involves being anti Trump ... anything goes ..... "It could easily be Trump though, couldn't it? Lets face it, he's not particularly clever, is he? | |||
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" The news is full of reports that should be confidential. Who would leak it? whoever it was that Trump told to leak it Even if it wasn't trump. Who would be solely responsible for the leaks? Anybody who wants to undermine trump ! All the leaks have been for that purpose! Not the lamestream media narrative , but a fact .... and we all know when it involves being anti Trump ... anything goes .....
It could easily be Trump though, couldn't it? Lets face it, he's not particularly clever, is he?"mmm.... Aparently !
But for such a stupid guy ....he got elected !
And all you clever folks said he never would ?
So all you "intelligent" folks have... is calling him stupid .... lol....
And..... twisting the narrative, and creating issues that don't exist....
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" The news is full of reports that should be confidential. Who would leak it? whoever it was that Trump told to leak it Even if it wasn't trump. Who would be solely responsible for the leaks? Anybody who wants to undermine trump ! All the leaks have been for that purpose! Not the lamestream media narrative , but a fact .... and we all know when it involves being anti Trump ... anything goes .....
It could easily be Trump though, couldn't it? Lets face it, he's not particularly clever, is he?
mmm.... Aparently !
But for such a stupid guy ....he got elected !
And all you clever folks said he never would ?
So all you "intelligent" folks have... is calling him stupid .... lol....
And..... twisting the narrative, and creating issues that don't exist....
Denial is a powerful thing..... "So; to get this straight, you think that one has to be intelligent to be elected president of the USA?
Look at his tweets, watch him speak. There's a village somewhere, idiotless. | |||
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" The news is full of reports that should be confidential. Who would leak it? whoever it was that Trump told to leak it Even if it wasn't trump. Who would be solely responsible for the leaks? Anybody who wants to undermine trump ! All the leaks have been for that purpose! Not the lamestream media narrative , but a fact .... and we all know when it involves being anti Trump ... anything goes .....
It could easily be Trump though, couldn't it? Lets face it, he's not particularly clever, is he?
mmm.... Aparently !
But for such a stupid guy ....he got elected !
And all you clever folks said he never would ?
So all you "intelligent" folks have... is calling him stupid .... lol....
And..... twisting the narrative, and creating issues that don't exist....
Denial is a powerful thing.....
So; to get this straight, you think that one has to be intelligent to be elected president of the USA?
Look at his tweets, watch him speak. There's a village somewhere, idiotless. "No I don't think that at all! One doesn't need to be intelligent to be president of the USA ...Obama proved that! But my point was All you Clever folks thought it could never happen ! But it did !
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""you clever folks"? Are you actually calling yourself an idiot, Tone?
Lol.... seems you are out of comebacks !
Run Jimmy, Run boy ! "No, that was a comeback, but as you say, you are not one of the intelligent folks, so I'll let you off. | |||
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""you clever folks"? Are you actually calling yourself an idiot, Tone?
Lol.... seems you are out of comebacks !
Run Jimmy, Run boy !
No, that was a comeback, but as you say, you are not one of the intelligent folks, so I'll let you off. "Lol.... now you trying to be clever and put words in my mouth ! Some things one doesn't need to state!.....but.... When , or where did I say I was or, wasn't intelligent ! ? Please ... Quote me ! | |||
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""you clever folks"? Are you actually calling yourself an idiot, Tone?
Lol.... seems you are out of comebacks !
Run Jimmy, Run boy !
No, that was a comeback, but as you say, you are not one of the intelligent folks, so I'll let you off.
Lol.... now you trying to be clever and put words in my mouth !
Some things one doesn't need to state!.....but....
When , or where did I say I was or, wasn't intelligent ! ?
Please ... Quote me !"You talk about "intelligent folks" as a category of person that doesn't include yourself, Tony. Read your own posts... | |||
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""you clever folks"? Are you actually calling yourself an idiot, Tone?
Lol.... seems you are out of comebacks !
Run Jimmy, Run boy !
No, that was a comeback, but as you say, you are not one of the intelligent folks, so I'll let you off.
Lol.... now you trying to be clever and put words in my mouth !
Some things one doesn't need to state!.....but....
When , or where did I say I was or, wasn't intelligent ! ?
Please ... Quote me !
You talk about "intelligent folks" as a category of person that doesn't include yourself, Tony. Read your own posts...
"Lol.... as I thought ... you reaching ! So seems you don't get irony ! So again where do I post anything that Implies my own intelligence or lack thereof ? | |||
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"see tony... you rubbish it all again... so if you were to share something with me in confidence.... and then i decided to tell that information to others what would be the likelyhood of you sharing anything else with me in future.....
it wasn't trumps place to share that information because it was given to them based on the fact it would not be shared....
i know you like to defend trump on most things.... but i don't see how you can this time.... its the principle if nothing else
Sorry not replying earlier Fabio!
Was away on a 48 hour holiday !
Its not rubbish, or about defending Trump !
Its about the way the intelligence world works !
You are simplistically comparing it to everyday info confidentiality !
Thats not how it works, and anybody related to the subject knows it!
As evidence, Israel , the source , have said nothing about it ...have they ?
What is worrisome is how it was leaked !
That is a serious security breach , but you dont see anybody in the media asking that question do you !
Tony, you know full well if you are half as knowledgeable as you infer on here that the Israeli Government will not publicly say what their true position is on what Trump said to the Russians..
that's diplomacy but its also a down play on how they see the information which their enemies will be all over like a rash..
Yes You are right !
But you had the good sense to think a bit deeper !
Others on here keep making statements based on simplistic notions ! So I responded in kind .... just to see what the reply would be !
Now having said that...... who do you think is helping the Russians with intel? Or rather let me ask :
Who in the region has the best intel infrastructure ? Who has most to gain with the Russian campaign in Syria ? Besides Assad of course !
Who dew to passed conflicts and in case of future ones has satellites and detailed info on terrain and targets in the region ?
mmm..... Could it be the same country that destroyed the Syrian nuclear reactor program some time back ?
Believe me no one is bothered !
But I insist .... what is serious are the leaks in the US security system! "your trying to deflect away from the fundamental issue which is that Trump has shared intelligence without consent of the originator of that intelligence with a 3rd party.. add in that the 3rd party is an ally for its own strategic issues in the region with Syria and that they have a record of funding terrorism for decades against Israel and the USA.. Lebanon is a prime example.. Put it this way, were i and my 2ic when planning an op in the border area of NI in the early 80's made aware that the OC had discussed any aspect of the op with someone without clearance then there would be serious questions asked.. were it to be the case that anyone with command responsibilities had discussed it with a known contact of the Aughnacloy or South Tyrone branch of Sinn Fein then it would be a major breach of security.. would i then be wrong to flag it up or to blow the whistle..? If the security systems of any state have an issue with the possible disclosure of any activities or shared intel then we would expect them to not have that person in the loop.. when that person is the President of the US then that for those agencies charged with protecting that country is a serious and worrying problem.. | |||
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" The news is full of reports that should be confidential. Who would leak it? whoever it was that Trump told to leak it Even if it wasn't trump. Who would be solely responsible for the leaks? Anybody who wants to undermine trump ! All the leaks have been for that purpose! Not the lamestream media narrative , but a fact .... and we all know when it involves being anti Trump ... anything goes ..... "So maybe trump shouldn't have people who want to undermine him in his oval office meetings then? | |||
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" The news is full of reports that should be confidential. Who would leak it? whoever it was that Trump told to leak it Even if it wasn't trump. Who would be solely responsible for the leaks? Anybody who wants to undermine trump ! All the leaks have been for that purpose! Not the lamestream media narrative , but a fact .... and we all know when it involves being anti Trump ... anything goes .....
So maybe trump shouldn't have people who want to undermine him in his oval office meetings then? "You mean his judgement was flawed in appointing people to what is the highest office in that land.. | |||
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" The news is full of reports that should be confidential. Who would leak it? whoever it was that Trump told to leak it Even if it wasn't trump. Who would be solely responsible for the leaks? Anybody who wants to undermine trump ! All the leaks have been for that purpose! Not the lamestream media narrative , but a fact .... and we all know when it involves being anti Trump ... anything goes .....
So maybe trump shouldn't have people who want to undermine him in his oval office meetings then? "Yes.... Maybe he shouldn't, but those are not the sources of the leaks ! They probably originate from parties in the establishment that deal with the intel in the first place ! And that is the point , and the problem ! | |||
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"see tony... you rubbish it all again... so if you were to share something with me in confidence.... and then i decided to tell that information to others what would be the likelyhood of you sharing anything else with me in future.....
it wasn't trumps place to share that information because it was given to them based on the fact it would not be shared....
i know you like to defend trump on most things.... but i don't see how you can this time.... its the principle if nothing else
Sorry not replying earlier Fabio!
Was away on a 48 hour holiday !
Its not rubbish, or about defending Trump !
Its about the way the intelligence world works !
You are simplistically comparing it to everyday info confidentiality !
Thats not how it works, and anybody related to the subject knows it!
As evidence, Israel , the source , have said nothing about it ...have they ?
What is worrisome is how it was leaked !
That is a serious security breach , but you dont see anybody in the media asking that question do you !
Tony, you know full well if you are half as knowledgeable as you infer on here that the Israeli Government will not publicly say what their true position is on what Trump said to the Russians..
that's diplomacy but its also a down play on how they see the information which their enemies will be all over like a rash..
Yes You are right !
But you had the good sense to think a bit deeper !
Others on here keep making statements based on simplistic notions ! So I responded in kind .... just to see what the reply would be !
Now having said that...... who do you think is helping the Russians with intel? Or rather let me ask :
Who in the region has the best intel infrastructure ? Who has most to gain with the Russian campaign in Syria ? Besides Assad of course !
Who dew to passed conflicts and in case of future ones has satellites and detailed info on terrain and targets in the region ?
mmm..... Could it be the same country that destroyed the Syrian nuclear reactor program some time back ?
Believe me no one is bothered !
But I insist .... what is serious are the leaks in the US security system!
your trying to deflect away from the fundamental issue which is that Trump has shared intelligence without consent of the originator of that intelligence with a 3rd party..
add in that the 3rd party is an ally for its own strategic issues in the region with Syria and that they have a record of funding terrorism for decades against Israel and the USA..
Lebanon is a prime example..
Put it this way, were i and my 2ic when planning an op in the border area of NI in the early 80's made aware that the OC had discussed any aspect of the op with someone without clearance then there would be serious questions asked..
were it to be the case that anyone with command responsibilities had discussed it with a known contact of the Aughnacloy or South Tyrone branch of Sinn Fein then it would be a major breach of security..
would i then be wrong to flag it up or to blow the whistle..?
If the security systems of any state have an issue with the possible disclosure of any activities or shared intel then we would expect them to not have that person in the loop..
when that person is the President of the US then that for those agencies charged with protecting that country is a serious and worrying problem..
"Your comparison seems reasonable, but is not valid here , and actually it deviates from the issue ! What was discussed in that meeting should never have been made public ! On that level , and considering , both the US and Russia have a common goal of destroying Isis , its perfectly natural intel would have been exchanged both ways ! It was in neither parties interest to make public what was discussed ! Had that been the case no source would have been compromised ! The fault or breach lies totally with two elements , that were bent on doing whatever it took to hurt Trump, the person who leaked , and the news organisation that made it public ! By doing so they , HELPED Isis !
In a convoluted way that should not surprise anyone paying attention !
Its a known fact that the media loves the guy who was instrumental in the creation of Isis !
And they are still mourning his departure.
The same guy who hated Israel too , and who´s foreign policy made the middle east a worst place !
Barack Hussein Obama !
So no surprise this "play" hurt Trump and Israel simultaneously !
Problem is .... in the process of anything goes to hurt Trump , these zealots help the enemy and weaken our cause ! | |||
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"see tony... you rubbish it all again... so if you were to share something with me in confidence.... and then i decided to tell that information to others what would be the likelyhood of you sharing anything else with me in future.....
it wasn't trumps place to share that information because it was given to them based on the fact it would not be shared....
i know you like to defend trump on most things.... but i don't see how you can this time.... its the principle if nothing else
Sorry not replying earlier Fabio!
Was away on a 48 hour holiday !
Its not rubbish, or about defending Trump !
Its about the way the intelligence world works !
You are simplistically comparing it to everyday info confidentiality !
Thats not how it works, and anybody related to the subject knows it!
As evidence, Israel , the source , have said nothing about it ...have they ?
What is worrisome is how it was leaked !
That is a serious security breach , but you dont see anybody in the media asking that question do you !
Tony, you know full well if you are half as knowledgeable as you infer on here that the Israeli Government will not publicly say what their true position is on what Trump said to the Russians..
that's diplomacy but its also a down play on how they see the information which their enemies will be all over like a rash..
Yes You are right !
But you had the good sense to think a bit deeper !
Others on here keep making statements based on simplistic notions ! So I responded in kind .... just to see what the reply would be !
Now having said that...... who do you think is helping the Russians with intel? Or rather let me ask :
Who in the region has the best intel infrastructure ? Who has most to gain with the Russian campaign in Syria ? Besides Assad of course !
Who dew to passed conflicts and in case of future ones has satellites and detailed info on terrain and targets in the region ?
mmm..... Could it be the same country that destroyed the Syrian nuclear reactor program some time back ?
Believe me no one is bothered !
But I insist .... what is serious are the leaks in the US security system!
your trying to deflect away from the fundamental issue which is that Trump has shared intelligence without consent of the originator of that intelligence with a 3rd party..
add in that the 3rd party is an ally for its own strategic issues in the region with Syria and that they have a record of funding terrorism for decades against Israel and the USA..
Lebanon is a prime example..
Put it this way, were i and my 2ic when planning an op in the border area of NI in the early 80's made aware that the OC had discussed any aspect of the op with someone without clearance then there would be serious questions asked..
were it to be the case that anyone with command responsibilities had discussed it with a known contact of the Aughnacloy or South Tyrone branch of Sinn Fein then it would be a major breach of security..
would i then be wrong to flag it up or to blow the whistle..?
If the security systems of any state have an issue with the possible disclosure of any activities or shared intel then we would expect them to not have that person in the loop..
when that person is the President of the US then that for those agencies charged with protecting that country is a serious and worrying problem..
Your comparison seems reasonable, but is not valid here , and actually it deviates from the issue !
What was discussed in that meeting should never have been made public !
On that level , and considering , both the US and Russia have a common goal of destroying Isis , its perfectly natural intel would have been exchanged both ways !
It was in neither parties interest to make public what was discussed !
Had that been the case no source would have been compromised !
The fault or breach lies totally with two elements , that were bent on doing whatever it took to hurt Trump, the person who leaked , and the news organisation that made it public !
By doing so they , HELPED Isis !
In a convoluted way that should not surprise anyone paying attention !
Its a known fact that the media loves the guy who was instrumental in the creation of Isis !
And they are still mourning his departure.
The same guy who hated Israel too , and who´s foreign policy made the middle east a worst place !
Barack Hussein Obama !
So no surprise this "play" hurt Trump and Israel simultaneously !
Problem is .... in the process of anything goes to hurt Trump , these zealots help the enemy and weaken our cause ! "the issue is pretty clear if you put aside your political preference which this is not about and look at what happened objectively, he is a liability.. that's it, the bottom line.. all the rest is flim flammery.. | |||
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" The news is full of reports that should be confidential. Who would leak it? whoever it was that Trump told to leak it Even if it wasn't trump. Who would be solely responsible for the leaks? Anybody who wants to undermine trump ! All the leaks have been for that purpose! Not the lamestream media narrative , but a fact .... and we all know when it involves being anti Trump ... anything goes .....
So maybe trump shouldn't have people who want to undermine him in his oval office meetings then?
Yes.... Maybe he shouldn't, but those are not the sources of the leaks !
They probably originate from parties in the establishment that deal with the intel in the first place !
And that is the point , and the problem !
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"see tony... you rubbish it all again... so if you were to share something with me in confidence.... and then i decided to tell that information to others what would be the likelyhood of you sharing anything else with me in future.....
it wasn't trumps place to share that information because it was given to them based on the fact it would not be shared....
i know you like to defend trump on most things.... but i don't see how you can this time.... its the principle if nothing else
Sorry not replying earlier Fabio!
Was away on a 48 hour holiday !
Its not rubbish, or about defending Trump !
Its about the way the intelligence world works !
You are simplistically comparing it to everyday info confidentiality !
Thats not how it works, and anybody related to the subject knows it!
As evidence, Israel , the source , have said nothing about it ...have they ?
What is worrisome is how it was leaked !
That is a serious security breach , but you dont see anybody in the media asking that question do you !
Tony, you know full well if you are half as knowledgeable as you infer on here that the Israeli Government will not publicly say what their true position is on what Trump said to the Russians..
that's diplomacy but its also a down play on how they see the information which their enemies will be all over like a rash..
Yes You are right !
But you had the good sense to think a bit deeper !
Others on here keep making statements based on simplistic notions ! So I responded in kind .... just to see what the reply would be !
Now having said that...... who do you think is helping the Russians with intel? Or rather let me ask :
Who in the region has the best intel infrastructure ? Who has most to gain with the Russian campaign in Syria ? Besides Assad of course !
Who dew to passed conflicts and in case of future ones has satellites and detailed info on terrain and targets in the region ?
mmm..... Could it be the same country that destroyed the Syrian nuclear reactor program some time back ?
Believe me no one is bothered !
But I insist .... what is serious are the leaks in the US security system!
your trying to deflect away from the fundamental issue which is that Trump has shared intelligence without consent of the originator of that intelligence with a 3rd party..
add in that the 3rd party is an ally for its own strategic issues in the region with Syria and that they have a record of funding terrorism for decades against Israel and the USA..
Lebanon is a prime example..
Put it this way, were i and my 2ic when planning an op in the border area of NI in the early 80's made aware that the OC had discussed any aspect of the op with someone without clearance then there would be serious questions asked..
were it to be the case that anyone with command responsibilities had discussed it with a known contact of the Aughnacloy or South Tyrone branch of Sinn Fein then it would be a major breach of security..
would i then be wrong to flag it up or to blow the whistle..?
If the security systems of any state have an issue with the possible disclosure of any activities or shared intel then we would expect them to not have that person in the loop..
when that person is the President of the US then that for those agencies charged with protecting that country is a serious and worrying problem..
Your comparison seems reasonable, but is not valid here , and actually it deviates from the issue !
What was discussed in that meeting should never have been made public !
On that level , and considering , both the US and Russia have a common goal of destroying Isis , its perfectly natural intel would have been exchanged both ways !
It was in neither parties interest to make public what was discussed !
Had that been the case no source would have been compromised !
The fault or breach lies totally with two elements , that were bent on doing whatever it took to hurt Trump, the person who leaked , and the news organisation that made it public !
By doing so they , HELPED Isis !
In a convoluted way that should not surprise anyone paying attention !
Its a known fact that the media loves the guy who was instrumental in the creation of Isis !
And they are still mourning his departure.
The same guy who hated Israel too , and who´s foreign policy made the middle east a worst place !
Barack Hussein Obama !
So no surprise this "play" hurt Trump and Israel simultaneously !
Problem is .... in the process of anything goes to hurt Trump , these zealots help the enemy and weaken our cause !
the issue is pretty clear if you put aside your political preference which this is not about and look at what happened objectively, he is a liability..
that's it, the bottom line..
all the rest is flim flammery..
"I agree with you , so take your own advice , put political preference aside , and you will realise its not Trump that is the liability ! In fact if you want a president that proved a liability to the safety of the USA and the west at large , then look no further then President number 44 ! | |||
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" The news is full of reports that should be confidential. Who would leak it? whoever it was that Trump told to leak it Even if it wasn't trump. Who would be solely responsible for the leaks? Anybody who wants to undermine trump ! All the leaks have been for that purpose! Not the lamestream media narrative , but a fact .... and we all know when it involves being anti Trump ... anything goes .....
So maybe trump shouldn't have people who want to undermine him in his oval office meetings then?
Yes.... Maybe he shouldn't, but those are not the sources of the leaks !
They probably originate from parties in the establishment that deal with the intel in the first place !
And that is the point , and the problem !
How would they know what happened in the room? Someone in the room leaked it. Get it?"Really! How do you know ? | |||
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" The news is full of reports that should be confidential. Who would leak it? whoever it was that Trump told to leak it Even if it wasn't trump. Who would be solely responsible for the leaks? Anybody who wants to undermine trump ! All the leaks have been for that purpose! Not the lamestream media narrative , but a fact .... and we all know when it involves being anti Trump ... anything goes .....
So maybe trump shouldn't have people who want to undermine him in his oval office meetings then?
Yes.... Maybe he shouldn't, but those are not the sources of the leaks !
They probably originate from parties in the establishment that deal with the intel in the first place !
And that is the point , and the problem !
How would they know what happened in the room? Someone in the room leaked it. Get it?
Really! How do you know ? "Because Trump confirmed that he did it! | |||
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"see tony... you rubbish it all again... so if you were to share something with me in confidence.... and then i decided to tell that information to others what would be the likelyhood of you sharing anything else with me in future.....
it wasn't trumps place to share that information because it was given to them based on the fact it would not be shared....
i know you like to defend trump on most things.... but i don't see how you can this time.... its the principle if nothing else
Sorry not replying earlier Fabio!
Was away on a 48 hour holiday !
Its not rubbish, or about defending Trump !
Its about the way the intelligence world works !
You are simplistically comparing it to everyday info confidentiality !
Thats not how it works, and anybody related to the subject knows it!
As evidence, Israel , the source , have said nothing about it ...have they ?
What is worrisome is how it was leaked !
That is a serious security breach , but you dont see anybody in the media asking that question do you !
Tony, you know full well if you are half as knowledgeable as you infer on here that the Israeli Government will not publicly say what their true position is on what Trump said to the Russians..
that's diplomacy but its also a down play on how they see the information which their enemies will be all over like a rash..
Yes You are right !
But you had the good sense to think a bit deeper !
Others on here keep making statements based on simplistic notions ! So I responded in kind .... just to see what the reply would be !
Now having said that...... who do you think is helping the Russians with intel? Or rather let me ask :
Who in the region has the best intel infrastructure ? Who has most to gain with the Russian campaign in Syria ? Besides Assad of course !
Who dew to passed conflicts and in case of future ones has satellites and detailed info on terrain and targets in the region ?
mmm..... Could it be the same country that destroyed the Syrian nuclear reactor program some time back ?
Believe me no one is bothered !
But I insist .... what is serious are the leaks in the US security system!
your trying to deflect away from the fundamental issue which is that Trump has shared intelligence without consent of the originator of that intelligence with a 3rd party..
add in that the 3rd party is an ally for its own strategic issues in the region with Syria and that they have a record of funding terrorism for decades against Israel and the USA..
Lebanon is a prime example..
Put it this way, were i and my 2ic when planning an op in the border area of NI in the early 80's made aware that the OC had discussed any aspect of the op with someone without clearance then there would be serious questions asked..
were it to be the case that anyone with command responsibilities had discussed it with a known contact of the Aughnacloy or South Tyrone branch of Sinn Fein then it would be a major breach of security..
would i then be wrong to flag it up or to blow the whistle..?
If the security systems of any state have an issue with the possible disclosure of any activities or shared intel then we would expect them to not have that person in the loop..
when that person is the President of the US then that for those agencies charged with protecting that country is a serious and worrying problem..
Your comparison seems reasonable, but is not valid here , and actually it deviates from the issue !
What was discussed in that meeting should never have been made public !
On that level , and considering , both the US and Russia have a common goal of destroying Isis , its perfectly natural intel would have been exchanged both ways !
It was in neither parties interest to make public what was discussed !
Had that been the case no source would have been compromised !
The fault or breach lies totally with two elements , that were bent on doing whatever it took to hurt Trump, the person who leaked , and the news organisation that made it public !
By doing so they , HELPED Isis !
In a convoluted way that should not surprise anyone paying attention !
Its a known fact that the media loves the guy who was instrumental in the creation of Isis !
And they are still mourning his departure.
The same guy who hated Israel too , and who´s foreign policy made the middle east a worst place !
Barack Hussein Obama !
So no surprise this "play" hurt Trump and Israel simultaneously !
Problem is .... in the process of anything goes to hurt Trump , these zealots help the enemy and weaken our cause !
the issue is pretty clear if you put aside your political preference which this is not about and look at what happened objectively, he is a liability..
that's it, the bottom line..
all the rest is flim flammery..
I agree with you , so take your own advice , put political preference aside , and you will realise its not Trump that is the liability ! In fact if you want a president that proved a liability to the safety of the USA and the west at large , then look no further then President number 44 !"Surprised you haven't said Bush senior and junior in your attempts to duck the issue..
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"it's utterly pointless and a waste of time, effort and breath to discuss ancient history as regards president 44.... but it's completely prudent and sensible to criticise the current president 45 who is fucking up so dramatically " Yes... Someone has to clean up after the brilliant mess left by number 44 ! To call Isis ancient history is quite a statement, as is 44 that left office 4 months ago !
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"see tony... you rubbish it all again... so if you were to share something with me in confidence.... and then i decided to tell that information to others what would be the likelyhood of you sharing anything else with me in future.....
it wasn't trumps place to share that information because it was given to them based on the fact it would not be shared....
i know you like to defend trump on most things.... but i don't see how you can this time.... its the principle if nothing else
Sorry not replying earlier Fabio!
Was away on a 48 hour holiday !
Its not rubbish, or about defending Trump !
Its about the way the intelligence world works !
You are simplistically comparing it to everyday info confidentiality !
Thats not how it works, and anybody related to the subject knows it!
As evidence, Israel , the source , have said nothing about it ...have they ?
What is worrisome is how it was leaked !
That is a serious security breach , but you dont see anybody in the media asking that question do you !
Tony, you know full well if you are half as knowledgeable as you infer on here that the Israeli Government will not publicly say what their true position is on what Trump said to the Russians..
that's diplomacy but its also a down play on how they see the information which their enemies will be all over like a rash..
Yes You are right !
But you had the good sense to think a bit deeper !
Others on here keep making statements based on simplistic notions ! So I responded in kind .... just to see what the reply would be !
Now having said that...... who do you think is helping the Russians with intel? Or rather let me ask :
Who in the region has the best intel infrastructure ? Who has most to gain with the Russian campaign in Syria ? Besides Assad of course !
Who dew to passed conflicts and in case of future ones has satellites and detailed info on terrain and targets in the region ?
mmm..... Could it be the same country that destroyed the Syrian nuclear reactor program some time back ?
Believe me no one is bothered !
But I insist .... what is serious are the leaks in the US security system!
your trying to deflect away from the fundamental issue which is that Trump has shared intelligence without consent of the originator of that intelligence with a 3rd party..
add in that the 3rd party is an ally for its own strategic issues in the region with Syria and that they have a record of funding terrorism for decades against Israel and the USA..
Lebanon is a prime example..
Put it this way, were i and my 2ic when planning an op in the border area of NI in the early 80's made aware that the OC had discussed any aspect of the op with someone without clearance then there would be serious questions asked..
were it to be the case that anyone with command responsibilities had discussed it with a known contact of the Aughnacloy or South Tyrone branch of Sinn Fein then it would be a major breach of security..
would i then be wrong to flag it up or to blow the whistle..?
If the security systems of any state have an issue with the possible disclosure of any activities or shared intel then we would expect them to not have that person in the loop..
when that person is the President of the US then that for those agencies charged with protecting that country is a serious and worrying problem..
Your comparison seems reasonable, but is not valid here , and actually it deviates from the issue !
What was discussed in that meeting should never have been made public !
On that level , and considering , both the US and Russia have a common goal of destroying Isis , its perfectly natural intel would have been exchanged both ways !
It was in neither parties interest to make public what was discussed !
Had that been the case no source would have been compromised !
The fault or breach lies totally with two elements , that were bent on doing whatever it took to hurt Trump, the person who leaked , and the news organisation that made it public !
By doing so they , HELPED Isis !
In a convoluted way that should not surprise anyone paying attention !
Its a known fact that the media loves the guy who was instrumental in the creation of Isis !
And they are still mourning his departure.
The same guy who hated Israel too , and who´s foreign policy made the middle east a worst place !
Barack Hussein Obama !
So no surprise this "play" hurt Trump and Israel simultaneously !
Problem is .... in the process of anything goes to hurt Trump , these zealots help the enemy and weaken our cause !
the issue is pretty clear if you put aside your political preference which this is not about and look at what happened objectively, he is a liability..
that's it, the bottom line..
all the rest is flim flammery..
I agree with you , so take your own advice , put political preference aside , and you will realise its not Trump that is the liability ! In fact if you want a president that proved a liability to the safety of the USA and the west at large , then look no further then President number 44 !
Surprised you haven't said Bush senior and junior in your attempts to duck the issue..
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"It was stupidity on his part; and sometimes giving away some intelligence, even to allies, exposes the source of that intelligence. Which in turn means that the intelligence operation is compromised, has to be shut down, and your sources are in danger. Frustrating when it can take years to set up an operation. But many countries are wary of sharing intel with the US unless it is sanitised, as US overall security is extremely poor. It has long been a joke in UK/European intelligence circles that if you want to get something public; tell it to the US as a secret. And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence." Actually that raises another issue ! How were the US media ALWAYS ahead of the UK and European media by at least an hour or two in revealing details on the night of the bombing ? I was up all night watching different news channels , and was surprised about that ! They were saying it was a suicide bomber more then 3 hours before it was even mentioned on Sky ! Even then they were quoting "suspicion" and "speculation by US media ! Also the US had put out a warning days before to US citizens travelling to Britain about the high risk or an attack ! "And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence." That might not be a bad thing ! In fact, sometimes its used as a tactic to see what moves ! A bit like shaking a tree to see if something falls out ! So... should we be calling them stupid and incompetent .....? | |||
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"It was stupidity on his part; and sometimes giving away some intelligence, even to allies, exposes the source of that intelligence. Which in turn means that the intelligence operation is compromised, has to be shut down, and your sources are in danger. Frustrating when it can take years to set up an operation. But many countries are wary of sharing intel with the US unless it is sanitised, as US overall security is extremely poor. It has long been a joke in UK/European intelligence circles that if you want to get something public; tell it to the US as a secret. And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence. Actually that raises another issue ! How were the US media ALWAYS ahead of the UK and European media by at least an hour or two in revealing details on the night of the bombing ? I was up all night watching different news channels , and was surprised about that ! They were saying it was a suicide bomber more then 3 hours before it was even mentioned on Sky ! Even then they were quoting "suspicion" and "speculation by US media ! Also the US had put out a warning days before to US citizens travelling to Britain about the high risk or an attack ! "And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence." That might not be a bad thing ! In fact, sometimes its used as a tactic to see what moves ! A bit like shaking a tree to see if something falls out ! So... should we be calling them stupid and incompetent .....? "UK press will have been asked by government to slow down reporting in the initial hours; so as to allow police to do initial investigations without compromising any intel they were already gathering. Foreign press cannot be muted that way. They all have access to the same resources. And no; you don't want foreign security services " shaking the tree" unless you need them to. And then it's part of a plan. It's just a fact that the US information security is dire. I mean really dire. If UK police/security/military were as lax and insecure as the US, heads would roll. | |||
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"It was stupidity on his part; and sometimes giving away some intelligence, even to allies, exposes the source of that intelligence. Which in turn means that the intelligence operation is compromised, has to be shut down, and your sources are in danger. Frustrating when it can take years to set up an operation. But many countries are wary of sharing intel with the US unless it is sanitised, as US overall security is extremely poor. It has long been a joke in UK/European intelligence circles that if you want to get something public; tell it to the US as a secret. And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence. Actually that raises another issue ! How were the US media ALWAYS ahead of the UK and European media by at least an hour or two in revealing details on the night of the bombing ? I was up all night watching different news channels , and was surprised about that ! They were saying it was a suicide bomber more then 3 hours before it was even mentioned on Sky ! Even then they were quoting "suspicion" and "speculation by US media ! Also the US had put out a warning days before to US citizens travelling to Britain about the high risk or an attack ! "And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence." That might not be a bad thing ! In fact, sometimes its used as a tactic to see what moves ! A bit like shaking a tree to see if something falls out ! So... should we be calling them stupid and incompetent .....?
UK press will have been asked by government to slow down reporting in the initial hours; so as to allow police to do initial investigations without compromising any intel they were already gathering. Foreign press cannot be muted that way. They all have access to the same resources.
And no; you don't want foreign security services " shaking the tree" unless you need them to. And then it's part of a plan. It's just a fact that the US information security is dire. I mean really dire. If UK police/security/military were as lax and insecure as the US, heads would roll. "How do you know they were not ? They knew the bomber , they knew his recent movements ! That is one of the problems with the security /intelligence services ! Due to the nature of the work , its hard to prove or disprove they are doing a good job ! | |||
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"It was stupidity on his part; and sometimes giving away some intelligence, even to allies, exposes the source of that intelligence. Which in turn means that the intelligence operation is compromised, has to be shut down, and your sources are in danger. Frustrating when it can take years to set up an operation. But many countries are wary of sharing intel with the US unless it is sanitised, as US overall security is extremely poor. It has long been a joke in UK/European intelligence circles that if you want to get something public; tell it to the US as a secret. And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence. Actually that raises another issue ! How were the US media ALWAYS ahead of the UK and European media by at least an hour or two in revealing details on the night of the bombing ? I was up all night watching different news channels , and was surprised about that ! They were saying it was a suicide bomber more then 3 hours before it was even mentioned on Sky ! Even then they were quoting "suspicion" and "speculation by US media ! Also the US had put out a warning days before to US citizens travelling to Britain about the high risk or an attack ! "And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence." That might not be a bad thing ! In fact, sometimes its used as a tactic to see what moves ! A bit like shaking a tree to see if something falls out ! So... should we be calling them stupid and incompetent .....?
UK press will have been asked by government to slow down reporting in the initial hours; so as to allow police to do initial investigations without compromising any intel they were already gathering. Foreign press cannot be muted that way. They all have access to the same resources.
And no; you don't want foreign security services " shaking the tree" unless you need them to. And then it's part of a plan. It's just a fact that the US information security is dire. I mean really dire. If UK police/security/military were as lax and insecure as the US, heads would roll.
How do you know they were not ?
They knew the bomber , they knew his recent movements !
That is one of the problems with the security /intelligence services !
Due to the nature of the work , its hard to prove or disprove they are doing a good job ! "They knew the bomber, yes, once he had been identified, and he had been " of note". They would not have known his movements until they identified him; after which, once you have a phone number, email , social media accounts, you can put together someone's timeline/ recent locations within a few minutes. | |||
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"It was stupidity on his part; and sometimes giving away some intelligence, even to allies, exposes the source of that intelligence. Which in turn means that the intelligence operation is compromised, has to be shut down, and your sources are in danger. Frustrating when it can take years to set up an operation. But many countries are wary of sharing intel with the US unless it is sanitised, as US overall security is extremely poor. It has long been a joke in UK/European intelligence circles that if you want to get something public; tell it to the US as a secret. And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence. Actually that raises another issue ! How were the US media ALWAYS ahead of the UK and European media by at least an hour or two in revealing details on the night of the bombing ? I was up all night watching different news channels , and was surprised about that ! They were saying it was a suicide bomber more then 3 hours before it was even mentioned on Sky ! Even then they were quoting "suspicion" and "speculation by US media ! Also the US had put out a warning days before to US citizens travelling to Britain about the high risk or an attack ! "And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence." That might not be a bad thing ! In fact, sometimes its used as a tactic to see what moves ! A bit like shaking a tree to see if something falls out ! So... should we be calling them stupid and incompetent .....?
UK press will have been asked by government to slow down reporting in the initial hours; so as to allow police to do initial investigations without compromising any intel they were already gathering. Foreign press cannot be muted that way. They all have access to the same resources.
And no; you don't want foreign security services " shaking the tree" unless you need them to. And then it's part of a plan. It's just a fact that the US information security is dire. I mean really dire. If UK police/security/military were as lax and insecure as the US, heads would roll.
How do you know they were not ?
They knew the bomber , they knew his recent movements !
That is one of the problems with the security /intelligence services !
Due to the nature of the work , its hard to prove or disprove they are doing a good job !
They knew the bomber, yes, once he had been identified, and he had been " of note". They would not have known his movements until they identified him; after which, once you have a phone number, email , social media accounts, you can put together someone's timeline/ recent locations within a few minutes.
""of note" Is that a way of saying ...we knew he had been radicalised , or been to Syria, or Lybia , but we couldn't do bugger all because it would seem discriminatory , and would be violating his rights ?
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"It was stupidity on his part; and sometimes giving away some intelligence, even to allies, exposes the source of that intelligence. Which in turn means that the intelligence operation is compromised, has to be shut down, and your sources are in danger. Frustrating when it can take years to set up an operation. But many countries are wary of sharing intel with the US unless it is sanitised, as US overall security is extremely poor. It has long been a joke in UK/European intelligence circles that if you want to get something public; tell it to the US as a secret. And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence. Actually that raises another issue ! How were the US media ALWAYS ahead of the UK and European media by at least an hour or two in revealing details on the night of the bombing ? I was up all night watching different news channels , and was surprised about that ! They were saying it was a suicide bomber more then 3 hours before it was even mentioned on Sky ! Even then they were quoting "suspicion" and "speculation by US media ! Also the US had put out a warning days before to US citizens travelling to Britain about the high risk or an attack ! "And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence." That might not be a bad thing ! In fact, sometimes its used as a tactic to see what moves ! A bit like shaking a tree to see if something falls out ! So... should we be calling them stupid and incompetent .....?
UK press will have been asked by government to slow down reporting in the initial hours; so as to allow police to do initial investigations without compromising any intel they were already gathering. Foreign press cannot be muted that way. They all have access to the same resources.
And no; you don't want foreign security services " shaking the tree" unless you need them to. And then it's part of a plan. It's just a fact that the US information security is dire. I mean really dire. If UK police/security/military were as lax and insecure as the US, heads would roll.
How do you know they were not ?
They knew the bomber , they knew his recent movements !
That is one of the problems with the security /intelligence services !
Due to the nature of the work , its hard to prove or disprove they are doing a good job !
They knew the bomber, yes, once he had been identified, and he had been " of note". They would not have known his movements until they identified him; after which, once you have a phone number, email , social media accounts, you can put together someone's timeline/ recent locations within a few minutes.
"of note"
Is that a way of saying ...we knew he had been radicalised , or been to Syria, or Lybia , but we couldn't do bugger all because it would seem discriminatory , and would be violating his rights ?
Just asking ! "Actually, from what I understand from those in the know; we did not know he had been radicalised. | |||
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"It was stupidity on his part; and sometimes giving away some intelligence, even to allies, exposes the source of that intelligence. Which in turn means that the intelligence operation is compromised, has to be shut down, and your sources are in danger. Frustrating when it can take years to set up an operation. But many countries are wary of sharing intel with the US unless it is sanitised, as US overall security is extremely poor. It has long been a joke in UK/European intelligence circles that if you want to get something public; tell it to the US as a secret. And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence. Actually that raises another issue ! How were the US media ALWAYS ahead of the UK and European media by at least an hour or two in revealing details on the night of the bombing ? I was up all night watching different news channels , and was surprised about that ! They were saying it was a suicide bomber more then 3 hours before it was even mentioned on Sky ! Even then they were quoting "suspicion" and "speculation by US media ! Also the US had put out a warning days before to US citizens travelling to Britain about the high risk or an attack ! "And now the US has done it again; leaking the name of the Manchester bomber before the UK was ready to release it, this probably compromising several lines of enquiry into his associates/ connections, so they have a chance to disappear and hide/ destroy evidence." That might not be a bad thing ! In fact, sometimes its used as a tactic to see what moves ! A bit like shaking a tree to see if something falls out ! So... should we be calling them stupid and incompetent .....?
UK press will have been asked by government to slow down reporting in the initial hours; so as to allow police to do initial investigations without compromising any intel they were already gathering. Foreign press cannot be muted that way. They all have access to the same resources.
And no; you don't want foreign security services " shaking the tree" unless you need them to. And then it's part of a plan. It's just a fact that the US information security is dire. I mean really dire. If UK police/security/military were as lax and insecure as the US, heads would roll.
How do you know they were not ?
They knew the bomber , they knew his recent movements !
That is one of the problems with the security /intelligence services !
Due to the nature of the work , its hard to prove or disprove they are doing a good job !
They knew the bomber, yes, once he had been identified, and he had been " of note". They would not have known his movements until they identified him; after which, once you have a phone number, email , social media accounts, you can put together someone's timeline/ recent locations within a few minutes.
"of note"
Is that a way of saying ...we knew he had been radicalised , or been to Syria, or Lybia , but we couldn't do bugger all because it would seem discriminatory , and would be violating his rights ?
Just asking !
Actually, from what I understand from those in the know; we did not know he had been radicalised. "Interesting....the media were saying different...but you cant trust the media these days.... | |||
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"It seems as though GMP have stopped sharing intel with America as a result of repeated leaks. Not good. Are you surprised ? I have been warning about this for a long time ! "No, you have been defending the leaks tony. | |||
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"It seems as though GMP have stopped sharing intel with America as a result of repeated leaks. Not good. Are you surprised ? I have been warning about this for a long time !
No, you have been defending the leaks tony."JESUS .....Not again !
I HAVE NOT !
Back up your statement !
Tell me where I did that !
Show me the post ? Copy paste it ! 
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"It seems as though GMP have stopped sharing intel with America as a result of repeated leaks. Not good. Are you surprised ? I have been warning about this for a long time !
No, you have been defending the leaks tony.
JESUS .....Not again !
I HAVE NOT !
Back up your statement !
Tell me where I did that !
Show me the post ? Copy paste it !
or... are you trolling again ? "You were saying that it was good that trump leaked intel to the Russians and said " "my enemy's enemy is my friend" applies here with.... a few limitations , due to some of those that oppose Isis don't get along too well amongst themselves!" But if you want to take a different stance on it now thats fine. Was Trump right to leak intel to the Russians, tweet that he had done it, and then in Israel say that he hadn't told the Russians that the intel came from Israel, or was he wrong? | |||
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"It seems as though GMP have stopped sharing intel with America as a result of repeated leaks. Not good. Are you surprised ? I have been warning about this for a long time !
No, you have been defending the leaks tony.
JESUS .....Not again !
I HAVE NOT !
Back up your statement !
Tell me where I did that !
Show me the post ? Copy paste it !
or... are you trolling again ?
You were saying that it was good that trump leaked intel to the Russians and said " "my enemy's enemy is my friend" applies here with.... a few limitations , due to some of those that oppose Isis don't get along too well amongst themselves!"
But if you want to take a different stance on it now thats fine. Was Trump right to leak intel to the Russians, tweet that he had done it, and then in Israel say that he hadn't told the Russians that the intel came from Israel, or was he wrong? "As I thought ! you screwed up ! You got it all mixed up! Since when is sharing intel the same as leaking ? lol.... In a secret meeting between states , they either give or share intel or they don't ! Leaking implies revealing something in an illegal on inappropriate way ! The leak was the fact that someone revealed to the media what went on in the meeting ! So as you can see there is co contradiction in my position at all ! I repeat what I have said many times before on many threads ! Its a very dangerous and serious thing when leaking sensitive information becomes "normal" and acceptable as long as its for the purpose of hurting Trump ! That is the Problem ! | |||
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"The U.S. didn't have authority to share that information, so it was an unauthorised disclosure, aka a leak." Unauthorized disclosure !!!! lol... Are you serious ! or d*unk or daft ? No... you are clueless ! JESUS ! Who has higher authority then The US government to use the intel in possession of US government´s intel services ? The Pope ???? | |||
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"The U.S. didn't have authority to share that information, so it was an unauthorised disclosure, aka a leak. Unauthorized disclosure !!!! lol... Are you serious ! or d*unk or daft ? No... you are clueless ! JESUS ! Who has higher authority then The US government to use the intel in possession of US government´s intel services ? The Pope ???? "What was that you mentioned on the other thread about stopping the name calling and personal attacks Tony? I've still got 'intellectually dishonest' empty on my Tony's insults bingo card for this thread though
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"The U.S. didn't have authority to share that information, so it was an unauthorised disclosure, aka a leak. Unauthorized disclosure !!!! lol... Are you serious ! or d*unk or daft ? No... you are clueless ! JESUS ! Who has higher authority then The US government to use the intel in possession of US government´s intel services ? The Pope ???? "The protocol is that only the nation that provided the intel has the authority over that intel. In every intel exchange, there is a protocol and conditions as to who it may be shared with. Some of which is in standing agreements. All intel is marked with " labels" which indicate who it may be shared with. You also cannot share it publicly without agreement if the originating nation. The rules are strictly observed amongst cooperating nations. Non observance is regarded as a severe diplomatic incident. The US govt does not have the right to share any other nation's intel without agreement. | |||
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"The U.S. didn't have authority to share that information, so it was an unauthorised disclosure, aka a leak. Unauthorized disclosure !!!! lol... Are you serious ! or d*unk or daft ? No... you are clueless ! JESUS ! Who has higher authority then The US government to use the intel in possession of US government´s intel services ? The Pope ???? "It wasn't US intelligence though was it?
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"The U.S. didn't have authority to share that information, so it was an unauthorised disclosure, aka a leak. Unauthorized disclosure !!!! lol... Are you serious ! or d*unk or daft ? No... you are clueless ! JESUS ! Who has higher authority then The US government to use the intel in possession of US government´s intel services ? The Pope ????
What was that you mentioned on the other thread about stopping the name calling and personal attacks Tony?
I've still got 'intellectually dishonest' empty on my Tony's insults bingo card for this thread though
-Matt"Good think you keeping score ! But factually did I name call ? I asked a question ! And a valid one at that, considering the utter nonsense posted ! Its offensive to any sane coherent intelligent person !
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"The U.S. didn't have authority to share that information, so it was an unauthorised disclosure, aka a leak. Unauthorized disclosure !!!! lol... Are you serious ! or d*unk or daft ? No... you are clueless ! JESUS ! Who has higher authority then The US government to use the intel in possession of US government´s intel services ? The Pope ????
It wasn't US intelligence though was it?
But it's fine, you support Trump leaking stuff to the Russians and the kremlin moving their their embassy into the oval office, but some people think that's not a great idea."DUHHHH
who´s was it then ?
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It wasn't US intelligence though was it?
But it's fine, you support Trump leaking stuff to the Russians and the kremlin moving their their embassy into the oval office, but some people think that's not a great idea.
DUHHHH
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"The U.S. didn't have authority to share that information, so it was an unauthorised disclosure, aka a leak. Unauthorized disclosure !!!! lol... Are you serious ! or d*unk or daft ? No... you are clueless ! JESUS ! Who has higher authority then The US government to use the intel in possession of US government´s intel services ? The Pope ????
It wasn't US intelligence though was it?
But it's fine, you support Trump leaking stuff to the Russians and the kremlin moving their their embassy into the oval office, but some people think that's not a great idea.
DUHHHH
who´s was it then ?
Israel's "So ! They were the origin ! But once they shared , and the reason they share is to have a wider pool of data to work with ! This is a positive thing when there is common goal ! In this case the destruction of Isis ! As I said before , none of this would have been an issue if someone had not illegally leaked it in order to compromise Trump ! But if there was any harm done ( I doubt it As the US and Israel have a long history of helping and screwing each other over depending on circumstances ) it was to the US intelligence agencies ! Basically a self inflicted wound ! | |||
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"The U.S. didn't have authority to share that information, so it was an unauthorised disclosure, aka a leak. Unauthorized disclosure !!!! lol... Are you serious ! or d*unk or daft ? No... you are clueless ! JESUS ! Who has higher authority then The US government to use the intel in possession of US government´s intel services ? The Pope ????
It wasn't US intelligence though was it?
But it's fine, you support Trump leaking stuff to the Russians and the kremlin moving their their embassy into the oval office, but some people think that's not a great idea.
DUHHHH
who´s was it then ?
Israel's
So ! They were the origin ! But once they shared , and the reason they share is to have a wider pool of data to work with ! This is a positive thing when there is common goal ! In this case the destruction of Isis !
As I said before , none of this would have been an issue if someone had not illegally leaked it in order to compromise Trump ! But if there was any harm done ( I doubt it As the US and Israel have a long history of helping and screwing each other over depending on circumstances ) it was to the US intelligence agencies ! Basically a self inflicted wound ! "No; the harm done is to all co-operating nations: 1. A carefully set up intel op has now been destroyed; the embedded " agents " have been compromised. Probably years of preparation destroyed. 2. International exchange of intel has been severely affected; as nations will be more reluctant to share; shared intel is more powerful than the sum of its parts. We all lose. | |||
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"The U.S. didn't have authority to share that information, so it was an unauthorised disclosure, aka a leak. Unauthorized disclosure !!!! lol... Are you serious ! or d*unk or daft ? No... you are clueless ! JESUS ! Who has higher authority then The US government to use the intel in possession of US government´s intel services ? The Pope ????
It wasn't US intelligence though was it?
But it's fine, you support Trump leaking stuff to the Russians and the kremlin moving their their embassy into the oval office, but some people think that's not a great idea.
DUHHHH
who´s was it then ?
Israel's
So ! They were the origin ! But once they shared , and the reason they share is to have a wider pool of data to work with ! This is a positive thing when there is common goal ! In this case the destruction of Isis !
As I said before , none of this would have been an issue if someone had not illegally leaked it in order to compromise Trump ! But if there was any harm done ( I doubt it As the US and Israel have a long history of helping and screwing each other over depending on circumstances ) it was to the US intelligence agencies ! Basically a self inflicted wound !
No; the harm done is to all co-operating nations:
1. A carefully set up intel op has now been destroyed; the embedded " agents " have been compromised. Probably years of preparation destroyed.
2. International exchange of intel has been severely affected; as nations will be more reluctant to share; shared intel is more powerful than the sum of its parts.
We all lose."Fair point ! But the issue remains ! We are only discussing this because someone in the intel community or admin leaked to the media! What is discussed in state meetings has no place in the public domain , specially when concerning matters of this nature ! Whether Trump should, or not, have shared intel with the Russians , is not the point ! May met privately with Macron , terrorism was discussed ! How do we know she didn't share inappropriate intel ? We dont ! Because nobody on her staff ,or involved in Briefing her , leaked to the media, as doing so, making May look bad , would above all hurt Britain ! And so it should be !
So the question remains ;
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"It all comes down to Trump fucking up by opening his mouth, had he not done so then the Russians or his own senior staff would not have leaked it or he wanted it leaked to make the security services look bad.. It's not good.." Brilliant conclusion !
But utter BS !
You assertion defies any rational notion !
Him or the Russians leaking it would be like shooting yourself in both feet !
Are you that a anti Trump fanatic , that you shut your brain off ?
Like him or not , he didn't get to where he is by shooting himself in both feet , did he ? | |||
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"It all comes down to Trump fucking up by opening his mouth, had he not done so then the Russians or his own senior staff would not have leaked it or he wanted it leaked to make the security services look bad.. It's not good.. Brilliant conclusion !
But utter BS !
You assertion defies any rational notion !
Him or the Russians leaking it would be like shooting yourself in both feet !
Are you that a anti Trump fanatic , that you shut your brain off ?
Like him or not , he didn't get to where he is by shooting himself in both feet , did he ? "No, he got where he is by losing his inheritance in particularly spectacular ways. And by bankrupting companies and shooting others in the feet. That and stirring up and appealing to bigotry and hatred. It won't last. -Matt | |||
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"It all comes down to Trump fucking up by opening his mouth, had he not done so then the Russians or his own senior staff would not have leaked it or he wanted it leaked to make the security services look bad.. It's not good.. Brilliant conclusion !
But utter BS !
You assertion defies any rational notion !
Him or the Russians leaking it would be like shooting yourself in both feet !
Are you that a anti Trump fanatic , that you shut your brain off ?
Like him or not , he didn't get to where he is by shooting himself in both feet , did he ?
No, he got where he is by losing his inheritance in particularly spectacular ways. And by bankrupting companies and shooting others in the feet. That and stirring up and appealing to bigotry and hatred.
It won't last.
-Matt"He stirred up bigotry and hatred alright. In people like yourself | |||
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"It all comes down to Trump fucking up by opening his mouth, had he not done so then the Russians or his own senior staff would not have leaked it or he wanted it leaked to make the security services look bad.. It's not good.. Brilliant conclusion !
But utter BS !
You assertion defies any rational notion !
Him or the Russians leaking it would be like shooting yourself in both feet !
Are you that a anti Trump fanatic , that you shut your brain off ?
Like him or not , he didn't get to where he is by shooting himself in both feet , did he ? "He is a childish idiot; He told the Russians about the intel to show off; He told the Phillipines President where the Nuclear subs are to show off " where MY submarines are" It's like a 5 year old in the playground " my dad's car is bigger than your dad's car". And he is unable to grasp the details of intel; and why you must be discreet with it. Separately, someone in US intelligence had a loose mouth. As I have said before; there are so many US security organisations; ( at least 27, plus individual police forces); no central control of them; many are extremely amateurish; and the US security of information is utterly appalling generally. Their procedures and training is extremely lax. It is a well known risk in swapping info with the US. Whether the leak pertaining to the Manchester bombing was deliberate or just the usual ineptitude is hard to guess. | |||
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"It all comes down to Trump fucking up by opening his mouth, had he not done so then the Russians or his own senior staff would not have leaked it or he wanted it leaked to make the security services look bad.. It's not good.. Brilliant conclusion !
But utter BS !
You assertion defies any rational notion !
Him or the Russians leaking it would be like shooting yourself in both feet !
Are you that a anti Trump fanatic , that you shut your brain off ?
Like him or not , he didn't get to where he is by shooting himself in both feet , did he ? "I am anti Trump as a person who holds some pretty vile views about women for starters.. Not a fanatic though.. Ok so enlighten me which you don't want to seen to do as I already asked you. Who do you think leaked the conversation? It's clearly beyond you that it could have been him or someone in his inner circle to try and discredit the security services and or the media, youve certainly swallowed it in any case.. Btw Tony it's an opinion not Bs. It's words on a screen so try and debate without being Mr shouty potty mouth again eh.. | |||
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"It all comes down to Trump fucking up by opening his mouth, had he not done so then the Russians or his own senior staff would not have leaked it or he wanted it leaked to make the security services look bad.. It's not good.. Brilliant conclusion !
But utter BS !
You assertion defies any rational notion !
Him or the Russians leaking it would be like shooting yourself in both feet !
Are you that a anti Trump fanatic , that you shut your brain off ?
Like him or not , he didn't get to where he is by shooting himself in both feet , did he ?
No, he got where he is by losing his inheritance in particularly spectacular ways. And by bankrupting companies and shooting others in the feet. That and stirring up and appealing to bigotry and hatred.
It won't last.
-Matt
He stirred up bigotry and hatred alright. In people like yourself"Some are still in Denial !
Remember These ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahkMA6JPOHU
It just shows you how the "elite" are in touch with reality and the people !
Lol.... mmmmmm if embarrassment was music some posters on here would be a symphony orchestra | |||
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"It all comes down to Trump fucking up by opening his mouth, had he not done so then the Russians or his own senior staff would not have leaked it or he wanted it leaked to make the security services look bad.. It's not good.. Brilliant conclusion !
But utter BS !
You assertion defies any rational notion !
Him or the Russians leaking it would be like shooting yourself in both feet !
Are you that a anti Trump fanatic , that you shut your brain off ?
Like him or not , he didn't get to where he is by shooting himself in both feet , did he ?
He is a childish idiot;
He told the Russians about the intel to show off;
He told the Phillipines President where the Nuclear subs are to show off " where MY submarines are"
It's like a 5 year old in the playground " my dad's car is bigger than your dad's car".
And he is unable to grasp the details of intel; and why you must be discreet with it.
Separately, someone in US intelligence had a loose mouth. As I have said before; there are so many US security organisations; ( at least 27, plus individual police forces); no central control of them; many are extremely amateurish; and the US security of information is utterly appalling generally. Their procedures and training is extremely lax. It is a well known risk in swapping info with the US.
Whether the leak pertaining to the Manchester bombing was deliberate or just the usual ineptitude is hard to guess."And when did that ineptitude start ?
was it not under number 44 ? | |||
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"It all comes down to Trump fucking up by opening his mouth, had he not done so then the Russians or his own senior staff would not have leaked it or he wanted it leaked to make the security services look bad.. It's not good.. Brilliant conclusion !
But utter BS !
You assertion defies any rational notion !
Him or the Russians leaking it would be like shooting yourself in both feet !
Are you that a anti Trump fanatic , that you shut your brain off ?
Like him or not , he didn't get to where he is by shooting himself in both feet , did he ?
He is a childish idiot;
He told the Russians about the intel to show off;
He told the Phillipines President where the Nuclear subs are to show off " where MY submarines are"
It's like a 5 year old in the playground " my dad's car is bigger than your dad's car".
And he is unable to grasp the details of intel; and why you must be discreet with it.
Separately, someone in US intelligence had a loose mouth. As I have said before; there are so many US security organisations; ( at least 27, plus individual police forces); no central control of them; many are extremely amateurish; and the US security of information is utterly appalling generally. Their procedures and training is extremely lax. It is a well known risk in swapping info with the US.
Whether the leak pertaining to the Manchester bombing was deliberate or just the usual ineptitude is hard to guess.
And when did that ineptitude start ?
was it not under number 44 ? "The systemic ineptitude was evident in from 1942, when the US leaked secret information that caused all sorts of issues. During WE2 we had to restrict much information as lots had got to the Germans. We had to totally exclude them from secret SOE and resistance operations in Europe. D Day was going to be delayed by 3 weeks to avoid the storm ( which nearly destroyed the mulberry harbours) but the US blew it, the Germans were warned, so a very rapid diversion had to be staged, and we had to go on the original date, which nearly cost us the success of the operation. Many examples since then. Including leaking some details of our Falklands operations . The Russian H bombs were successful as they obtained some technical details of US systems ( which were actually designed by U.K. Scientists ) So that's the systemic issues. Separately, the other issue is the naivety and stupidity of POTUS 45 who has ( since he is effectively an 11 year old ) no understanding of the subtleties of information and who should be told what, and why. This is exsacerbated by the disconnect between his personal White House entourage and the professionals in the various government agencies. ( even though they themselves have limitations; they know what the procedures should be). | |||
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"It all comes down to Trump fucking up by opening his mouth, had he not done so then the Russians or his own senior staff would not have leaked it or he wanted it leaked to make the security services look bad.. It's not good.. Brilliant conclusion !
But utter BS !
You assertion defies any rational notion !
Him or the Russians leaking it would be like shooting yourself in both feet !
Are you that a anti Trump fanatic , that you shut your brain off ?
Like him or not , he didn't get to where he is by shooting himself in both feet , did he ?
He is a childish idiot;
He told the Russians about the intel to show off;
He told the Phillipines President where the Nuclear subs are to show off " where MY submarines are"
It's like a 5 year old in the playground " my dad's car is bigger than your dad's car".
And he is unable to grasp the details of intel; and why you must be discreet with it.
Separately, someone in US intelligence had a loose mouth. As I have said before; there are so many US security organisations; ( at least 27, plus individual police forces); no central control of them; many are extremely amateurish; and the US security of information is utterly appalling generally. Their procedures and training is extremely lax. It is a well known risk in swapping info with the US.
Whether the leak pertaining to the Manchester bombing was deliberate or just the usual ineptitude is hard to guess.
And when did that ineptitude start ?
was it not under number 44 ?
The systemic ineptitude was evident in from 1942, when the US leaked secret information that caused all sorts of issues. During WE2 we had to restrict much information as lots had got to the Germans. We had to totally exclude them from secret SOE and resistance operations in Europe. D Day was going to be delayed by 3 weeks to avoid the storm ( which nearly destroyed the mulberry harbours) but the US blew it, the Germans were warned, so a very rapid diversion had to be staged, and we had to go on the original date, which nearly cost us the success of the operation.
Many examples since then. Including leaking some details of our Falklands operations .
The Russian H bombs were successful as they obtained some technical details of US systems ( which were actually designed by U.K. Scientists )
So that's the systemic issues.
Separately, the other issue is the naivety and stupidity of POTUS 45 who has ( since he is effectively an 11 year old ) no understanding of the subtleties of information and who should be told what, and why.
This is exsacerbated by the disconnect between his personal White House entourage and the professionals in the various government agencies. ( even though they themselves have limitations; they know what the procedures should be).
"I always find it unproductive to get in these pissing contests between countries ! All countries screw up sometimes and do well ! I I was to choose an intell service , Israel beats all hands down ! I don't find systematic putting down the US very appealing , considering how much the UK and Europe owe them !
And if you want an example of a massive historical screw up of catastrophic proportions then Britain takes the prize !
Remember ? which cash strapped labour government sold jet engine technology to the Soviet Union after the War , thus advancing jet production in the Soviet Union ! Result.... MIG 15 !
And lets not forget Kim Philby !
The Profumo affair!
Concerning POTUS , you deflect by focusing and demeaning 45 that has only been in power 4 months, but when it comes to security screw ups , 44 beats all !
One example.... Who in his right mind announces a unilateral pull out(of Iraq) on a given date ? | |||
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"It all comes down to Trump fucking up by opening his mouth, had he not done so then the Russians or his own senior staff would not have leaked it or he wanted it leaked to make the security services look bad.. It's not good.. Brilliant conclusion !
But utter BS !
You assertion defies any rational notion !
Him or the Russians leaking it would be like shooting yourself in both feet !
Are you that a anti Trump fanatic , that you shut your brain off ?
Like him or not , he didn't get to where he is by shooting himself in both feet , did he ?
He is a childish idiot;
He told the Russians about the intel to show off;
He told the Phillipines President where the Nuclear subs are to show off " where MY submarines are"
It's like a 5 year old in the playground " my dad's car is bigger than your dad's car".
And he is unable to grasp the details of intel; and why you must be discreet with it.
Separately, someone in US intelligence had a loose mouth. As I have said before; there are so many US security organisations; ( at least 27, plus individual police forces); no central control of them; many are extremely amateurish; and the US security of information is utterly appalling generally. Their procedures and training is extremely lax. It is a well known risk in swapping info with the US.
Whether the leak pertaining to the Manchester bombing was deliberate or just the usual ineptitude is hard to guess.
And when did that ineptitude start ?
was it not under number 44 ?
The systemic ineptitude was evident in from 1942, when the US leaked secret information that caused all sorts of issues. During WE2 we had to restrict much information as lots had got to the Germans. We had to totally exclude them from secret SOE and resistance operations in Europe. D Day was going to be delayed by 3 weeks to avoid the storm ( which nearly destroyed the mulberry harbours) but the US blew it, the Germans were warned, so a very rapid diversion had to be staged, and we had to go on the original date, which nearly cost us the success of the operation.
Many examples since then. Including leaking some details of our Falklands operations .
The Russian H bombs were successful as they obtained some technical details of US systems ( which were actually designed by U.K. Scientists )
So that's the systemic issues.
Separately, the other issue is the naivety and stupidity of POTUS 45 who has ( since he is effectively an 11 year old ) no understanding of the subtleties of information and who should be told what, and why.
This is exsacerbated by the disconnect between his personal White House entourage and the professionals in the various government agencies. ( even though they themselves have limitations; they know what the procedures should be).
I always find it unproductive to get in these pissing contests between countries !
All countries screw up sometimes and do well ! I I was to choose an intell service , Israel beats all hands down !
I don't find systematic putting down the US very appealing , considering how much the UK and Europe owe them !
And if you want an example of a massive historical screw up of catastrophic proportions then Britain takes the prize !
Remember ? which cash strapped labour government sold jet engine technology to the Soviet Union after the War , thus advancing jet production in the Soviet Union ! Result.... MIG 15 !
And lets not forget Kim Philby !
The Profumo affair!
Concerning POTUS , you deflect by focusing and demeaning 45 that has only been in power 4 months, but when it comes to security screw ups , 44 beats all !
One example.... Who in his right mind announces a unilateral pull out(of Iraq) on a given date ? "Since you know nothing at all about government workings, or have much grasp on history, I shall be out of here now. | |||
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"It all comes down to Trump fucking up by opening his mouth, had he not done so then the Russians or his own senior staff would not have leaked it or he wanted it leaked to make the security services look bad.. It's not good.. Brilliant conclusion !
But utter BS !
You assertion defies any rational notion !
Him or the Russians leaking it would be like shooting yourself in both feet !
Are you that a anti Trump fanatic , that you shut your brain off ?
Like him or not , he didn't get to where he is by shooting himself in both feet , did he ?
He is a childish idiot;
He told the Russians about the intel to show off;
He told the Phillipines President where the Nuclear subs are to show off " where MY submarines are"
It's like a 5 year old in the playground " my dad's car is bigger than your dad's car".
And he is unable to grasp the details of intel; and why you must be discreet with it.
Separately, someone in US intelligence had a loose mouth. As I have said before; there are so many US security organisations; ( at least 27, plus individual police forces); no central control of them; many are extremely amateurish; and the US security of information is utterly appalling generally. Their procedures and training is extremely lax. It is a well known risk in swapping info with the US.
Whether the leak pertaining to the Manchester bombing was deliberate or just the usual ineptitude is hard to guess.
And when did that ineptitude start ?
was it not under number 44 ?
The systemic ineptitude was evident in from 1942, when the US leaked secret information that caused all sorts of issues. During WE2 we had to restrict much information as lots had got to the Germans. We had to totally exclude them from secret SOE and resistance operations in Europe. D Day was going to be delayed by 3 weeks to avoid the storm ( which nearly destroyed the mulberry harbours) but the US blew it, the Germans were warned, so a very rapid diversion had to be staged, and we had to go on the original date, which nearly cost us the success of the operation.
Many examples since then. Including leaking some details of our Falklands operations .
The Russian H bombs were successful as they obtained some technical details of US systems ( which were actually designed by U.K. Scientists )
So that's the systemic issues.
Separately, the other issue is the naivety and stupidity of POTUS 45 who has ( since he is effectively an 11 year old ) no understanding of the subtleties of information and who should be told what, and why.
This is exsacerbated by the disconnect between his personal White House entourage and the professionals in the various government agencies. ( even though they themselves have limitations; they know what the procedures should be).
I always find it unproductive to get in these pissing contests between countries !
All countries screw up sometimes and do well ! I I was to choose an intell service , Israel beats all hands down !
I don't find systematic putting down the US very appealing , considering how much the UK and Europe owe them !
And if you want an example of a massive historical screw up of catastrophic proportions then Britain takes the prize !
Remember ? which cash strapped labour government sold jet engine technology to the Soviet Union after the War , thus advancing jet production in the Soviet Union ! Result.... MIG 15 !
And lets not forget Kim Philby !
The Profumo affair!
Concerning POTUS , you deflect by focusing and demeaning 45 that has only been in power 4 months, but when it comes to security screw ups , 44 beats all !
One example.... Who in his right mind announces a unilateral pull out(of Iraq) on a given date ?
Since you know nothing at all about government workings, or have much grasp on history, I shall be out of here now."Mmm... so easy to say ... but not true ! I am sorry I burst your bubble ! I know some truths are inconvenient and unpleasant.... thats why i started the post with : "I always find it unproductive to get in these pissing contests between countries ! " | |||
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"As if any further proof was needed about his collusion with the Russians, he's now sharing intelligence with them! "Yes he is ! And so was Obama ! As I said before , the real problem was : "What is worrisome is how it was leaked ! That is a serious security breach , but you dont see anybody in the media asking that question do you ! " "I repeat what I have said many times before on many threads ! Its a very dangerous and serious thing when leaking sensitive information becomes "normal" and acceptable as long as its for the purpose of hurting Trump ! That is the Problem ! " Now my statements have been confirmed by none other then.... Former CIA director during the Obama administration , John Brennan ! This was on the hearing of the House Intelligence committee on the 23rd ! it went almost unnoticed due to the Manchester bombing ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGg8gpGqr-w Jump to minute 24 till 29 ! So here is a double standard , but what if cool with Obama is a crime with Trump !
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"As if any further proof was needed about his collusion with the Russians, he's now sharing intelligence with them!
Yes he is ! And so was Obama !
As I said before , the real problem was :
"What is worrisome is how it was leaked !
That is a serious security breach , but you dont see anybody in the media asking that question do you ! "
"I repeat what I have said many times before on many threads !
Its a very dangerous and serious thing when leaking sensitive information becomes "normal" and acceptable as long as its for the purpose of hurting Trump !
That is the Problem ! "
Now my statements have been confirmed by none other then.... Former CIA director during the Obama administration , John Brennan !
This was on the hearing of the House Intelligence committee on the 23rd ! it went almost unnoticed due to the Manchester bombing !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGg8gpGqr-w
Jump to minute 24 till 29 !
So here is a double standard , but what if cool with Obama is a crime with Trump !
"Cool, Tony... so this is the 3rd thread this morning you have put this video to so you clearly like it a lot. So in the section you hihglight, Brennan says that Trump violated two protocols by: 1) Sharing intelligence without checking with the originating agency that it would leak un-intended identity of the source (via language etc) 2) Shared it directly with diplomats rather than via the intelligence community, so as to not expose himself. So Brennan is saying that Trump fucked up. And this is the result. By not going via these protocols, the Russians gained an opportunity to poke at the US via leaking photos to the media. Now, considering, Trump has been basically financed by the Russians to get into office, it really doesn't seem like a surprise does it? Putins dreams are coming true as Trump is doing exactly what he wanted. And does sharing information like this make other partners think twice about sharing information? Well, Manchester police stopped sharing with the US briefly after the attack, and you can be sure that this Russian event was also on their minds. -Matt | |||
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"As if any further proof was needed about his collusion with the Russians, he's now sharing intelligence with them!
Yes he is ! And so was Obama !
As I said before , the real problem was :
"What is worrisome is how it was leaked !
That is a serious security breach , but you dont see anybody in the media asking that question do you ! "
"I repeat what I have said many times before on many threads !
Its a very dangerous and serious thing when leaking sensitive information becomes "normal" and acceptable as long as its for the purpose of hurting Trump !
That is the Problem ! "
Now my statements have been confirmed by none other then.... Former CIA director during the Obama administration , John Brennan !
This was on the hearing of the House Intelligence committee on the 23rd ! it went almost unnoticed due to the Manchester bombing !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGg8gpGqr-w
Jump to minute 24 till 29 !
So here is a double standard , but what if cool with Obama is a crime with Trump !
Cool, Tony... so this is the 3rd thread this morning you have put this video to so you clearly like it a lot.
So in the section you hihglight, Brennan says that Trump violated two protocols by:
1) Sharing intelligence without checking with the originating agency that it would leak un-intended identity of the source (via language etc)
2) Shared it directly with diplomats rather than via the intelligence community, so as to not expose himself.
So Brennan is saying that Trump fucked up. And this is the result. By not going via these protocols, the Russians gained an opportunity to poke at the US via leaking photos to the media.
Now, considering, Trump has been basically financed by the Russians to get into office, it really doesn't seem like a surprise does it? Putins dreams are coming true as Trump is doing exactly what he wanted.
And does sharing information like this make other partners think twice about sharing information? Well, Manchester police stopped sharing with the US briefly after the attack, and you can be sure that this Russian event was also on their minds.
-Matt"Curious.... in spite of the evidence you still insist on using words like Leak and spreading the BS of Trump being financed by the Russians! Stop the witch hunt !
Stop cherry picking what Brennan said !
What he shared wasn't wrong , but the way he shared it was , as he broke protocol.
Brennan testified that the security breaches to the media were the serious concern !
The premise he "leaked" is now totally debunked , that is unless you consider Brennan to be a Trump supporter as well !
You conveniently left out the "bit" where when Brennan said he himself exchanged intell with the Russians during the Obama admin , so by that logic was Obama leaking or being paid by the Russians too? | |||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gkuj5WhuPw&feature=youtu.be
Mmmm.... so who is cooperating with the Russians then ?
Is it Trump ? or was/is it Obama ? | |||
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