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"The Tories have come up with a wonderful way to get out of properly funding social care, make you do it instead, for free! Was I the only one who thought this yesterday when they announced their plans for people with a caring responsibility to take up to 1 year unpaid leave from their employers to care for relatives? I mean, thats the great thing about end of life care, you know exactly how long you need to take off, and it definitely won’t extend beyond 52 weeks, and most certainly won’t happen before 52 weeks either. How many people in the UK can afford to take a full years UNPAID leave, and you can be assured you will not be entitled to any benefits. if you apply for benefits you will be told in no uncertain terms "Get back to Work"" I'll tell you who. The same ones who usually benefit under the Tories. The rich! Work in the City. Collect your £500,000 bonus. Tell your boss you're taking a year off to look after your sick mum. Spend a year on a Caribbean island and you're guaranteed to get your job back at the end of it. Simples! | |||
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"Just another example of our caring sharing government. Remember, We're all in it together I wonder what the situation would be for Carers Allowance if you're technically still employed but on unpaid leave?" lol, you have to earn less than £116 per week to receive £62.70 carers allowance | |||
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"The Tories have come up with a wonderful way to get out of properly funding social care, make you do it instead, for free! Was I the only one who thought this yesterday when they announced their plans for people with a caring responsibility to take up to 1 year unpaid leave from their employers to care for relatives? I mean, thats the great thing about end of life care, you know exactly how long you need to take off, and it definitely won’t extend beyond 52 weeks, and most certainly won’t happen before 52 weeks either. " I wonder who parents/partner would rather have looking after them when old and infirm, a paid carer who may well be under pressure to do a number of visits or a son/daughter who could spend more time and look after them properly. Sounds like you just want to get someone else to do it for you and get the tax payer to pay. Tell you what why dont we get the taxpayer to raise our kids as well so we dont have the hastle and tie of them. Its just the same thing but different ends of life, families look after each other not leave it to others.If you dont want to do it then pay for decent home caring service dont expect the rest of society to do your duty for free | |||
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"The Tories have come up with a wonderful way to get out of properly funding social care, make you do it instead, for free! Was I the only one who thought this yesterday when they announced their plans for people with a caring responsibility to take up to 1 year unpaid leave from their employers to care for relatives? I mean, thats the great thing about end of life care, you know exactly how long you need to take off, and it definitely won’t extend beyond 52 weeks, and most certainly won’t happen before 52 weeks either. I wonder who parents/partner would rather have looking after them when old and infirm, a paid carer who may well be under pressure to do a number of visits or a son/daughter who could spend more time and look after them properly. Sounds like you just want to get someone else to do it for you and get the tax payer to pay. Tell you what why dont we get the taxpayer to raise our kids as well so we dont have the hastle and tie of them. Its just the same thing but different ends of life, families look after each other not leave it to others.If you dont want to do it then pay for decent home caring service dont expect the rest of society to do your duty for free" One of the reasons we pay tax is to pay into 'safety nets' for society. I pay my tax on the basis that should I (or collectively anyone else) end up having life give them a bit of a kicking, that there will be some protection for me (or them). For May to now come out and basically shy away from that and say that rather than the state pay out for some of that support, that people can just do it themselves for free... who the hell do they think can afford to do that other than the rich? -Matt | |||
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"The Tories have come up with a wonderful way to get out of properly funding social care, make you do it instead, for free! Was I the only one who thought this yesterday when they announced their plans for people with a caring responsibility to take up to 1 year unpaid leave from their employers to care for relatives? I mean, thats the great thing about end of life care, you know exactly how long you need to take off, and it definitely won’t extend beyond 52 weeks, and most certainly won’t happen before 52 weeks either. I wonder who parents/partner would rather have looking after them when old and infirm, a paid carer who may well be under pressure to do a number of visits or a son/daughter who could spend more time and look after them properly. Sounds like you just want to get someone else to do it for you and get the tax payer to pay. Tell you what why dont we get the taxpayer to raise our kids as well so we dont have the hastle and tie of them. Its just the same thing but different ends of life, families look after each other not leave it to others.If you dont want to do it then pay for decent home caring service dont expect the rest of society to do your duty for free" I don't think anyone is saying that. It's a case of who can afford a years unpaid leave? As someone who gets carers allowance for looking after a relative, I can tell you it doesn't even cover fuel costs for all the running around to Hospitals, GP's and picking up prescriptions never mind the time I spend looking after her garden and house. In addition, my wife spends a huge amount of time helping too. If we weren't around to do it, what would be the cost? I wouldn't expect to get paid whatever that amount might be but £60 odd quid a week is an insult. You suggest either paying for care or doing it yourself and that we shouldn't expect society to pick up the tab. What happens to those who don't have anyone to care for them? Presumably you'd be happy to see them rot rather than have society pay for their care. | |||
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" What happens to those who don't have anyone to care for them? Presumably you'd be happy to see them rot rather than have society pay for their care." Then that is what the state safety net is for and quite right too, but looking after a elderly parent is standard unless they happen to drop dead, explain why looking after a parent is different from looking after a child ? What the hell happened years ago before the nanny state came to the aid of those who cant be arsed to look after their own kith and kin,oh yes they did it themselves, its called priorities, spend money looking after family instead of yourselves, its funny how the caring socialists expect the state to look after their family for them, dont sound very caring to me | |||
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" What happens to those who don't have anyone to care for them? Presumably you'd be happy to see them rot rather than have society pay for their care. Then that is what the state safety net is for and quite right too, but looking after a elderly parent is standard unless they happen to drop dead, explain why looking after a parent is different from looking after a child ? What the hell happened years ago before the nanny state came to the aid of those who cant be arsed to look after their own kith and kin,oh yes they did it themselves, its called priorities, spend money looking after family instead of yourselves, its funny how the caring socialists expect the state to look after their family for them, dont sound very caring to me " In short, people have been caring for relatives 'for free' for ages. And will continue to do so. As pointed out above, all the statement from May does is make the Tories look like even bigger cunts than they already are. Which is quite an achievement. -Matt | |||
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"The Tories have come up with a wonderful way to get out of properly funding social care, make you do it instead, for free! Was I the only one who thought this yesterday when they announced their plans for people with a caring responsibility to take up to 1 year unpaid leave from their employers to care for relatives? I mean, thats the great thing about end of life care, you know exactly how long you need to take off, and it definitely won’t extend beyond 52 weeks, and most certainly won’t happen before 52 weeks either. I wonder who parents/partner would rather have looking after them when old and infirm, a paid carer who may well be under pressure to do a number of visits or a son/daughter who could spend more time and look after them properly. Sounds like you just want to get someone else to do it for you and get the tax payer to pay. Tell you what why dont we get the taxpayer to raise our kids as well so we dont have the hastle and tie of them. Its just the same thing but different ends of life, families look after each other not leave it to others.If you dont want to do it then pay for decent home caring service dont expect the rest of society to do your duty for free I don't think anyone is saying that. It's a case of who can afford a years unpaid leave? As someone who gets carers allowance for looking after a relative, I can tell you it doesn't even cover fuel costs for all the running around to Hospitals, GP's and picking up prescriptions never mind the time I spend looking after her garden and house. In addition, my wife spends a huge amount of time helping too. If we weren't around to do it, what would be the cost? I wouldn't expect to get paid whatever that amount might be but £60 odd quid a week is an insult. You suggest either paying for care or doing it yourself and that we shouldn't expect society to pick up the tab. What happens to those who don't have anyone to care for them? Presumably you'd be happy to see them rot rather than have society pay for their care." We spend more on debt interest than defence making debt interest our fifth largest government expenditure not too far behind the NHS. That's with rock bottom interest rates, if they rose to any kind of sensible level we would pay more on interest than the NHS and i doubt you feel the latter is well funded? The last time national debt went down was 2002. So what exactly makes you thinks taxpayers (that is who 'society' is) can fund this when our tax to GDP ratio is also in line with its historic high point. | |||
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" What happens to those who don't have anyone to care for them? Presumably you'd be happy to see them rot rather than have society pay for their care. Then that is what the state safety net is for and quite right too, but looking after a elderly parent is standard unless they happen to drop dead, explain why looking after a parent is different from looking after a child ? What the hell happened years ago before the nanny state came to the aid of those who cant be arsed to look after their own kith and kin,oh yes they did it themselves, its called priorities, spend money looking after family instead of yourselves, its funny how the caring socialists expect the state to look after their family for them, dont sound very caring to me " I've never understood where socilaists / communists ever draw the line about personal responsibility? We get Corbyn telling us that 100% of kids need free school meals because 14% of parents are too lazy or stupid to feed their children properly. What about the smelly ones who didn't get a shower in the morning? Should the state come round and take our kids into the shower for us? | |||
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" What happens to those who don't have anyone to care for them? Presumably you'd be happy to see them rot rather than have society pay for their care. Then that is what the state safety net is for and quite right too, but looking after a elderly parent is standard unless they happen to drop dead, explain why looking after a parent is different from looking after a child ? What the hell happened years ago before the nanny state came to the aid of those who cant be arsed to look after their own kith and kin,oh yes they did it themselves, its called priorities, spend money looking after family instead of yourselves, its funny how the caring socialists expect the state to look after their family for them, dont sound very caring to me " So it's ok for rich people who can afford care to toss their elderly parents into care homes, collect the mobility allowance that helps pay for the new BMW and then not bother visiting them but not for someone on low pay to expect a decent level of support for looking after someone on an almost full time basis? You do realise that there are children in this country that act as carers for disabled parents and get little or no support? How on earth are they supposed to earn the money to look after them? I care for someone at significant financial loss to my family because it's the correct thing to do and because that person wants to stay in their own home and NOT go into a care home. But the fact of the matter is that we do without many of the things that others take for granted as a result. I can live with that but, frankly, the carers allowance is an insult. Asking people to take a years unpaid leave is a slap on the face. | |||
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" What happens to those who don't have anyone to care for them? Presumably you'd be happy to see them rot rather than have society pay for their care. Then that is what the state safety net is for and quite right too, but looking after a elderly parent is standard unless they happen to drop dead, explain why looking after a parent is different from looking after a child ? What the hell happened years ago before the nanny state came to the aid of those who cant be arsed to look after their own kith and kin,oh yes they did it themselves, its called priorities, spend money looking after family instead of yourselves, its funny how the caring socialists expect the state to look after their family for them, dont sound very caring to me So it's ok for rich people who can afford care to toss their elderly parents into care homes, collect the mobility allowance that helps pay for the new BMW and then not bother visiting them but not for someone on low pay to expect a decent level of support for looking after someone on an almost full time basis? You do realise that there are children in this country that act as carers for disabled parents and get little or no support? How on earth are they supposed to earn the money to look after them? I care for someone at significant financial loss to my family because it's the correct thing to do and because that person wants to stay in their own home and NOT go into a care home. But the fact of the matter is that we do without many of the things that others take for granted as a result. I can live with that but, frankly, the carers allowance is an insult. Asking people to take a years unpaid leave is a slap on the face." Do you understand that money is there to enable some people to buy larger quantities of goods and services than others? You seem angry at that fact? | |||
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"Some people actually WANT to look after loved ones. They are,after all, just that. They are your responsibility- not the council's, not the government's. It's a bonus, frankly, that social care is available and is very welcome but I believe a lot of people have walked away from the nuclear family, to the great detriment of society, wellbeing and ultimately, humanity." I do agree to some extent that people need to be willing to take on more responcibility in general - especially when it comes to personal health and family care. However, if you a single person, or a pair on low income, need to care for a family member in decline, taking a year off with no pay and no benifits (if you have been earning a certain amount) is financially impractical. It hardly sells the tories as the party of the hard working man and women trying to get ahead. | |||
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"This thread is not about the level if Carers Allowance but on being allowed to take a year off work unpaid! There should be more help available to the people who are in genuine need!" I fully agree with you that's the problem with theese discussions so many people rant on about rubbish that's irrelevant to the thread | |||
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"This thread is not about the level if Carers Allowance but on being allowed to take a year off work unpaid! There should be more help available to the people who are in genuine need!" If you're a family on a low income, how can you possibly take a years unpaid leave irrespective of the reason? I can understand the argument that, if you can't afford to have children, you shouldn't expect support from the state (although I don't agree with it) but we all have parents. For better or worse life expectancy has increased dramatically and that has consequences on care for the elderly. The individual that I care for had cancer just over 2 years ago. It was operated on and chemo was given. A couple of decades ago, they probably wouldn't have survived. Two years later, the cancer has returned. Another round of chemo is underway. If I were in employment, do I get the opportunity to take another year off unpaid? It's all very well saying we should look after our elderly without state support but some frail people can go on for a very long time. If you're not in favour of the state funding care for the elderly, should we be funding their medical costs and prolonging a life that is in decline? | |||
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"It is a non policy, like the encouraging of the building of council houses without spending any money. But I bet the tories will find a way and the money to reduce taxes for the wealthy. " I agree it's not much but I'm not sure what else people expect given the state of the economy. | |||
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"It is a non policy, like the encouraging of the building of council houses without spending any money. But I bet the tories will find a way and the money to reduce taxes for the wealthy. I agree it's not much but I'm not sure what else people expect given the state of the economy." The state of the economy? well it's in a state that planned rises of NI contributions for self employed didn't have to happen, right? | |||
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"It is a non policy, like the encouraging of the building of council houses without spending any money. But I bet the tories will find a way and the money to reduce taxes for the wealthy. I agree it's not much but I'm not sure what else people expect given the state of the economy. The state of the economy? well it's in a state that planned rises of NI contributions for self employed didn't have to happen, right? " Come on, you can do better than an anecdotal response... | |||
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"The Tories have come up with a wonderful way to get out of properly funding social care, make you do it instead, for free! Was I the only one who thought this yesterday when they announced their plans for people with a caring responsibility to take up to 1 year unpaid leave from their employers to care for relatives? I mean, thats the great thing about end of life care, you know exactly how long you need to take off, and it definitely won’t extend beyond 52 weeks, and most certainly won’t happen before 52 weeks either. How many people in the UK can afford to take a full years UNPAID leave, and you can be assured you will not be entitled to any benefits. if you apply for benefits you will be told in no uncertain terms "Get back to Work" I'll tell you who. The same ones who usually benefit under the Tories. The rich! Work in the City. Collect your £500,000 bonus. Tell your boss you're taking a year off to look after your sick mum. Spend a year on a Caribbean island and you're guaranteed to get your job back at the end of it. Simples! " | |||
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"Why did the Tories bother with this.It makes them look like cunts.Definitely not a vote winner.I hope they keep this up . " Thr tories sre heartless bastards but they usually do a good job hiding it. Slipped up s bit there, esp when they claim they're on the side of the working class | |||
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"It is a non policy, like the encouraging of the building of council houses without spending any money. But I bet the tories will find a way and the money to reduce taxes for the wealthy. I agree it's not much but I'm not sure what else people expect given the state of the economy. The state of the economy? well it's in a state that planned rises of NI contributions for self employed didn't have to happen, right? Come on, you can do better than an anecdotal response..." That's not an anecdote, that's a government policy. How about the £1bn change to inheritance tax? Could the country afford that? | |||
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"It is a non policy, like the encouraging of the building of council houses without spending any money. But I bet the tories will find a way and the money to reduce taxes for the wealthy. I agree it's not much but I'm not sure what else people expect given the state of the economy. The state of the economy? well it's in a state that planned rises of NI contributions for self employed didn't have to happen, right? Come on, you can do better than an anecdotal response... That's not an anecdote, that's a government policy. How about the £1bn change to inheritance tax? Could the country afford that? " Are you seriously suggesting taxes are going down not up? You do work and go outside right? | |||
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"It is a non policy, like the encouraging of the building of council houses without spending any money. But I bet the tories will find a way and the money to reduce taxes for the wealthy. I agree it's not much but I'm not sure what else people expect given the state of the economy. The state of the economy? well it's in a state that planned rises of NI contributions for self employed didn't have to happen, right? Come on, you can do better than an anecdotal response... That's not an anecdote, that's a government policy. How about the £1bn change to inheritance tax? Could the country afford that? Are you seriously suggesting taxes are going down not up? You do work and go outside right? " Yes, the Tories have changed inheritance tax. | |||
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"Just another example of our caring sharing government. Remember, We're all in it together I wonder what the situation would be for Carers Allowance if you're technically still employed but on unpaid leave? lol, you have to earn less than £116 per week to receive £62.70 carers allowance" I know a couple of people on cares allowance and they get nearly £200 a week | |||
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"Just another example of our caring sharing government. Remember, We're all in it together I wonder what the situation would be for Carers Allowance if you're technically still employed but on unpaid leave? lol, you have to earn less than £116 per week to receive £62.70 carers allowanceI know a couple of people on cares allowance and they get nearly £200 a week" just to be clear are you saying they get £200 per week carers allowance or are you saying they get £62.70 and then they are entitled to some other money on top of that but you don't know what it's for? | |||
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"Just another example of our caring sharing government. Remember, We're all in it together I wonder what the situation would be for Carers Allowance if you're technically still employed but on unpaid leave? lol, you have to earn less than £116 per week to receive £62.70 carers allowanceI know a couple of people on cares allowance and they get nearly £200 a week just to be clear are you saying they get £200 per week carers allowance or are you saying they get £62.70 and then they are entitled to some other money on top of that but you don't know what it's for?" Well you can't even claim CA unless the person you care for is claiming a qualifying benefit such as DLA, PIP or attendance allowance. | |||
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"Just another example of our caring sharing government. Remember, We're all in it together I wonder what the situation would be for Carers Allowance if you're technically still employed but on unpaid leave? lol, you have to earn less than £116 per week to receive £62.70 carers allowanceI know a couple of people on cares allowance and they get nearly £200 a week" perhaps for a combination of benefits but not for carers allowance alone, and they will not receive carers allowance if they earn more than £116 per week. I suspect the couple of people you know are not being fully truthful or factual with you. | |||
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"Just another example of our caring sharing government. Remember, We're all in it together I wonder what the situation would be for Carers Allowance if you're technically still employed but on unpaid leave? lol, you have to earn less than £116 per week to receive £62.70 carers allowanceI know a couple of people on cares allowance and they get nearly £200 a week perhaps for a combination of benefits but not for carers allowance alone, and they will not receive carers allowance if they earn more than £116 per week. I suspect the couple of people you know are not being fully truthful or factual with you." This is a prime example of why the benefits system gets a bad press! Simply suggesting that someone gets £200.00 a week carers allowance with no supporting evidence (not that any could be provided) gives some people the ammunition they want or need to condemn the system. | |||
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"I would sell a kidney to raise money to look after my Mother. And this policy isn't a requirement, it's an option" So would i , if a member of my family needed me stuff work family more important! | |||
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"I would sell a kidney to raise money to look after my Mother. And this policy isn't a requirement, it's an option So would i , if a member of my family needed me stuff work family more important!" So would you give up your work and lose your house that your kids live in to look after a parent? | |||
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"I would sell a kidney to raise money to look after my Mother. And this policy isn't a requirement, it's an option So would i , if a member of my family needed me stuff work family more important! So would you give up your work and lose your house that your kids live in to look after a parent? " The obvious and very sad answer to that is probably yes,, and this is yet another reminder of how out of touch this government are,, shame on them | |||
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"I would sell a kidney to raise money to look after my Mother. And this policy isn't a requirement, it's an option So would i , if a member of my family needed me stuff work family more important! So would you give up your work and lose your house that your kids live in to look after a parent? The obvious and very sad answer to that is probably yes,, and this is yet another reminder of how out of touch this government are,, shame on them " So by out of touch you mean they don't stand much chance of winning the election then? | |||
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"Yes 100percent I'd give up everything if my mam or dad ad needed me to who wudnt " Would you give up a little bit of money to properly fund the NHS and social care? | |||
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"No I wud cut overseas aid to 3blion and give bjs the other ten " 10 billion bj's is all i read.. | |||
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"No I wud cut overseas aid to 3blion and give bjs the other ten " So first of all you would give up everything, now it turns out you wouldn't be willing to pay a single penny in extra tax to fund proper care for them. | |||
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"No I wud cut overseas aid to 3blion and give bjs the other ten " How much do we pay for war? Isn't that foreign aid too? Helping other countries get democracy. | |||
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"Why twist wot u sed I sed I'd give up everything for my parents if they needed it u sed wud I pay more tax now I sed no I wud cut overseas aid who wudnt give up everything for there parents " You say that you wouldnt even give up a quid to help you parents. You are happy for extra money to be spent on it if you cut spending elsewhere in the budget, but paying £1 in extra tax is a big no no for you. | |||
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"I would sell a kidney to raise money to look after my Mother. And this policy isn't a requirement, it's an option So would i , if a member of my family needed me stuff work family more important! So would you give up your work and lose your house that your kids live in to look after a parent? " No I wouldn't. I've had brief experience of this & until you face this reality what people think they will do and what they are actually capable of can be very different. | |||
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"I would sell a kidney to raise money to look after my Mother. And this policy isn't a requirement, it's an option So would i , if a member of my family needed me stuff work family more important! So would you give up your work and lose your house that your kids live in to look after a parent? The obvious and very sad answer to that is probably yes,, and this is yet another reminder of how out of touch this government are,, shame on them So by out of touch you mean they don't stand much chance of winning the election then? " 3weeks ago I thought May would walk it,, but honestly i now believe that it's closer than people imagine | |||
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"I would sell a kidney to raise money to look after my Mother. And this policy isn't a requirement, it's an option So would i , if a member of my family needed me stuff work family more important! So would you give up your work and lose your house that your kids live in to look after a parent? The obvious and very sad answer to that is probably yes,, and this is yet another reminder of how out of touch this government are,, shame on them So by out of touch you mean they don't stand much chance of winning the election then? 3weeks ago I thought May would walk it,, but honestly i now believe that it's closer than people imagine " 20-1 odds on labour winning so must be worth putting some money on then? | |||
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"I would sell a kidney to raise money to look after my Mother. And this policy isn't a requirement, it's an option So would i , if a member of my family needed me stuff work family more important! So would you give up your work and lose your house that your kids live in to look after a parent? The obvious and very sad answer to that is probably yes,, and this is yet another reminder of how out of touch this government are,, shame on them So by out of touch you mean they don't stand much chance of winning the election then? 3weeks ago I thought May would walk it,, but honestly i now believe that it's closer than people imagine 20-1 odds on labour winning so must be worth putting some money on then? " I think people are forgetting what's happened in the last year,, brexit, trump, all things that no one thought possible,,people are voting for people and may is turning people off? Corbyn continues to gather momentum, and labour are catching up,, 20-1 is better than weeks ago, and trump had bigger odds??? X | |||
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"I sed wid I give up a little bit of money I sed no I would cut overseas aid first not stop it cut it to the level of most other county's I would also be happy to pay more NI or tax after that would you not give up every thing for a parent then ?" I would give up time and money and space in my house, but I wouldn't give up everything. I wouldn't want to lose my job or my house or my wife or children, who would? | |||
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"Now yr been silly yr better than that u know wot I ment wen I say anything why wud anyone lose there wife or kids if they looked after a parent I'd give up my job and house in a blink every penny in fact it's only money and I think almost everyone else on here wud do the same well I'd like to think so lol " If that's true, wouldn't it just be far better to properly fund the social care system and not have to lose your house and not have to give up job? | |||
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