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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas?" Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. " I'll take that as a no then. | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. I'll take that as a no then." Erm i answered it... i said and here is the answer yet again..Its clear Labour voters are voting Tory. So now its your turn please would you answer mine name a single Scottish Tory policy to help local councils ? | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. I'll take that as a no then. Erm i answered it... i said and here is the answer yet again..Its clear Labour voters are voting Tory. So now its your turn please would you answer mine name a single Scottish Tory policy to help local councils ? " You said that Labour voters are defecting to the Conservatives but why are they? That's the real issue here. Why the Conservative's resurgence when they are supposed to be the "nasty" party? I see that Paisley has returned a Conservative and I see that Alex Salmond has said that the SNP has to up its game before the GE | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. I'll take that as a no then. Erm i answered it... i said and here is the answer yet again..Its clear Labour voters are voting Tory. So now its your turn please would you answer mine name a single Scottish Tory policy to help local councils ? You said that Labour voters are defecting to the Conservatives but why are they? That's the real issue here. Why the Conservative's resurgence when they are supposed to be the "nasty" party? I see that Paisley has returned a Conservative and I see that Alex Salmond has said that the SNP has to up its game before the GE " Come on your not daft you can clearly work out its all about the dead hard union vote and the Tories set it up that they are the main party that will defend the union. Your asking me questions but fail to answer mine why ? Again can you name one single Scottish Tory policy that will help local council areas ? If you dont answer it this time i will assume that you dont know one single policy from the Scottish Tories which would help local councils which is piss poor from the Tories | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas?" Shettleston has a fairly large population of Glasgow Rangers supporters and has done for some time. To a man, they are Unionists, many of whom were filmed giving the Nazi salute in George Square after Indyref 1. Given the state of the Labour party in Scotland, my guess is they would probably prefer to vote for a Unionist party rather than the SNP. More fool them. | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Shettleston has a fairly large population of Glasgow Rangers supporters and has done for some time. To a man, they are Unionists, many of whom were filmed giving the Nazi salute in George Square after Indyref 1. Given the state of the Labour party in Scotland, my guess is they would probably prefer to vote for a Unionist party rather than the SNP. More fool them. " Yup more fool anyone that voted Tory in Scotland when they find cuts to their local areas But hey we all know where they are gonna pin the blame its all gonna be the SNP fault in their eyes and defend the Tories at all costs to defend the UK union. | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. I'll take that as a no then. Erm i answered it... i said and here is the answer yet again..Its clear Labour voters are voting Tory. So now its your turn please would you answer mine name a single Scottish Tory policy to help local councils ? You said that Labour voters are defecting to the Conservatives but why are they? That's the real issue here. Why the Conservative's resurgence when they are supposed to be the "nasty" party? I see that Paisley has returned a Conservative and I see that Alex Salmond has said that the SNP has to up its game before the GE Come on your not daft you can clearly work out its all about the dead hard union vote and the Tories set it up that they are the main party that will defend the union. Your asking me questions but fail to answer mine why ? Again can you name one single Scottish Tory policy that will help local council areas ? If you dont answer it this time i will assume that you dont know one single policy from the Scottish Tories which would help local councils which is piss poor from the Tories " As I don't live in Scotland, then how do you expect me to know what has been said in literature and on the doorstep? I'm more interested in voting demographics and reasons why. Why are the Conservatives winning a share of the vote in previous " no go" areas. Is it really all down to "indy2" and "brexit"? | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. I'll take that as a no then. Erm i answered it... i said and here is the answer yet again..Its clear Labour voters are voting Tory. So now its your turn please would you answer mine name a single Scottish Tory policy to help local councils ? You said that Labour voters are defecting to the Conservatives but why are they? That's the real issue here. Why the Conservative's resurgence when they are supposed to be the "nasty" party? I see that Paisley has returned a Conservative and I see that Alex Salmond has said that the SNP has to up its game before the GE Come on your not daft you can clearly work out its all about the dead hard union vote and the Tories set it up that they are the main party that will defend the union. Your asking me questions but fail to answer mine why ? Again can you name one single Scottish Tory policy that will help local council areas ? If you dont answer it this time i will assume that you dont know one single policy from the Scottish Tories which would help local councils which is piss poor from the Tories As I don't live in Scotland, then how do you expect me to know what has been said in literature and on the doorstep? I'm more interested in voting demographics and reasons why. Why are the Conservatives winning a share of the vote in previous " no go" areas. Is it really all down to "indy2" and "brexit"?" Ok this was the Scottish Tory message vote Tory in Scotland to stop an independence referendum nothing else no menton of what the Tories would do to help local councils. Now those that voted Tory in Scotland cannot now moan about cuts to local services as they voted for it. Main fact about today the SNP won the council elections as they were the largest party in councils The reason why Tories had gains in Scotland was Labour voters jumped ship and voted for the Tories just to save their union so to them its to hell with polices its the union at any cost. This was never ever about independence the mandate is there for the Scottish government when Holyrood voted 69-59 in favor of the section 30 order and that wont ever change this was all about local councils and what parties bring the best forward to help local areas and Labour and the Tories fought these council elections in Scotland on an anti Scottish independence ticket and and SNP won the election by being the largest party Tories may have gained seats but in the long run means fuck all. The SNP made it very clear NO COALITION with the Tories I've yet to see Scottish Labour rule that out. | |||
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"Tories may have gained seats but in the long run means fuck all. The SNP made it very clear NO COALITION with the Tories I've yet to see Scottish Labour rule that out." SNP is now the largest party on Aberdeen council, and would be expected to form a coalition with greens/independents, but that hasn't stopped the tories from immediately considering a coalition with their Bitter Together buddies in the labour party. Such is the bitter hatred of the labour apparatchiks for the SNP for winning over "their" voters, they will likely respond favourably to the tories' approach. | |||
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"Am really shocked at Motherwell tonight voting in a Tory knowing full well what the Tories did to Ravenscraig Yeah that wouldnt surprise me if Labour did dirty deals with the Tories to keep their councils out of SNP hands i seen it all over social media Labour voters saying they would be ok with Labour doing deals with the Tories to keep SNP out so it would appear the Better Together shite has not ended for some people yet learn nothing on what its doing to Labour in Scotland by siding with the Tories and their nasty ass cuts" Ok,let me throw this out there. Do you ardent SNP supporters think that Ms Sturgeon went too early on her call for Indy2? | |||
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"Am really shocked at Motherwell tonight voting in a Tory knowing full well what the Tories did to Ravenscraig Yeah that wouldnt surprise me if Labour did dirty deals with the Tories to keep their councils out of SNP hands i seen it all over social media Labour voters saying they would be ok with Labour doing deals with the Tories to keep SNP out so it would appear the Better Together shite has not ended for some people yet learn nothing on what its doing to Labour in Scotland by siding with the Tories and their nasty ass cuts" At straws clutching. Re-arrange to make a well known phrase. | |||
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"I'm a lifelong Tory (albeit with UKIP sympathy's) and well bloody proud of it. Tory government for (at least) five more years.
All you bitter and twisted socialists had better get used to it. "Used to what Scotland's voters have again rejected the the Tories 431 seats won by SNP and the Tories get 276 so that means SNP win the Scottish council elections | |||
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"I'm a lifelong Tory (albeit with UKIP sympathy's) and well bloody proud of it. Tory government for (at least) five more years.
All you bitter and twisted socialists had better get used to it.
Used to what Scotland's voters have again rejected the the Tories 431 seats won by SNP and the Tories get 276 so that means SNP win the Scottish council elections "Tory's gain over a hundred. SNP go backwards. Past their peak methinks. | |||
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"Am really shocked at Motherwell tonight voting in a Tory knowing full well what the Tories did to Ravenscraig Yeah that wouldnt surprise me if Labour did dirty deals with the Tories to keep their councils out of SNP hands i seen it all over social media Labour voters saying they would be ok with Labour doing deals with the Tories to keep SNP out so it would appear the Better Together shite has not ended for some people yet learn nothing on what its doing to Labour in Scotland by siding with the Tories and their nasty ass cuts Ok,let me throw this out there. Do you ardent SNP supporters think that Ms Sturgeon went too early on her call for Indy2?" Nope once again the Holyrood vote took places it passed no matter how much people like to spin it you cant change that vote unless people are happy with being undemocratic Again this was a council election vote nothing to do with independence but shows you what the Tories think about council elections when there was not a damn single policy on what they would do to help local council areas it was fought a anti independence ticket and they lost as the SNP are the largest party in councils and won the most seats by a mile | |||
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"I'm a lifelong Tory (albeit with UKIP sympathy's) and well bloody proud of it. Tory government for (at least) five more years.
All you bitter and twisted socialists had better get used to it.
Used to what Scotland's voters have again rejected the the Tories 431 seats won by SNP and the Tories get 276 so that means SNP win the Scottish council elections "You seem a tad confused here. The Conervatives started from a very low base line, whereas the SNP were on a high base line. The SNP got the most seats but did they get the biggest gains? The fact that the Conservatives have won seats in areas where they even feared to tread years ago must even surprise you? | |||
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"I'm a lifelong Tory (albeit with UKIP sympathy's) and well bloody proud of it. Tory government for (at least) five more years.
All you bitter and twisted socialists had better get used to it.
Used to what Scotland's voters have again rejected the the Tories 431 seats won by SNP and the Tories get 276 so that means SNP win the Scottish council elections
Tory's gain over a hundred. SNP go backwards.
Past their peak methinks. "Lmao ok So you seem to be forgetting history 2012 Scottish council elections SNP won 425 seats and in 2017 they win 431 now i dont know about you be that is SNP gaining seats stop believing the BBC Right simple question who won the council election in Scotland with 431 seats ? | |||
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"I'm a lifelong Tory (albeit with UKIP sympathy's) and well bloody proud of it. Tory government for (at least) five more years.
All you bitter and twisted socialists had better get used to it.
Used to what Scotland's voters have again rejected the the Tories 431 seats won by SNP and the Tories get 276 so that means SNP win the Scottish council elections
You seem a tad confused here. The Conervatives started from a very low base line, whereas the SNP were on a high base line.
The SNP got the most seats but did they get the biggest gains? The fact that the Conservatives have won seats in areas where they even feared to tread years ago must even surprise you?"And what Tories gained seats from Labour so what thats on Labour thats not the SNP fault Main fact of the day SNP won the electon | |||
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"I'm a lifelong Tory (albeit with UKIP sympathy's) and well bloody proud of it. Tory government for (at least) five more years.
All you bitter and twisted socialists had better get used to it.
Used to what Scotland's voters have again rejected the the Tories 431 seats won by SNP and the Tories get 276 so that means SNP win the Scottish council elections
You seem a tad confused here. The Conervatives started from a very low base line, whereas the SNP were on a high base line.
The SNP got the most seats but did they get the biggest gains? The fact that the Conservatives have won seats in areas where they even feared to tread years ago must even surprise you?
And what Tories gained seats from Labour so what thats on Labour thats not the SNP fault
Main fact of the day SNP won the electon
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"I'm a lifelong Tory (albeit with UKIP sympathy's) and well bloody proud of it. Tory government for (at least) five more years.
All you bitter and twisted socialists had better get used to it.
Used to what Scotland's voters have again rejected the the Tories 431 seats won by SNP and the Tories get 276 so that means SNP win the Scottish council elections
You seem a tad confused here. The Conervatives started from a very low base line, whereas the SNP were on a high base line.
The SNP got the most seats but did they get the biggest gains? The fact that the Conservatives have won seats in areas where they even feared to tread years ago must even surprise you?
And what Tories gained seats from Labour so what thats on Labour thats not the SNP fault
Main fact of the day SNP won the electon
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" And what Tories gained seats from Labour so what thats on Labour thats not the SNP fault Main fact of the day SNP won the electon " Do you look into anything before posting these 'facts'? How do you explain the Angus result? | |||
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"I'm a lifelong Tory (albeit with UKIP sympathy's) and well bloody proud of it. Tory government for (at least) five more years.
All you bitter and twisted socialists had better get used to it.
Used to what Scotland's voters have again rejected the the Tories 431 seats won by SNP and the Tories get 276 so that means SNP win the Scottish council elections
You seem a tad confused here. The Conervatives started from a very low base line, whereas the SNP were on a high base line.
The SNP got the most seats but did they get the biggest gains? The fact that the Conservatives have won seats in areas where they even feared to tread years ago must even surprise you?
And what Tories gained seats from Labour so what thats on Labour thats not the SNP fault
Main fact of the day SNP won the electon
But still went backwards from their peak.
Top of the slippery slope. "So your willing to say the SNP won the election then ? | |||
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"Lets try this as no one seems to want to answer this question.. name one single policy the Tories will do to help local councils in Scotland ? Surely to god you would want to know this or does people not care and would be happy for the Tories to cut local services " I would answer this but given I've asked at least half a dozen questions on this thread and the other one and you've not answered a single one of them then I don't really feel that you're interested in any genuine discussion. | |||
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"Lets try this as no one seems to want to answer this question.. name one single policy the Tories will do to help local councils in Scotland ? Surely to god you would want to know this or does people not care and would be happy for the Tories to cut local services I would answer this but given I've asked at least half a dozen questions on this thread and the other one and you've not answered a single one of them then I don't really feel that you're interested in any genuine discussion." Ok you have asked one question on this post so my answer to your question yes the SNP lost out in Angus but who is it you suppose it giving the Tories their votes sure as hell is not SNP voters that would be Labour voters or were they ever true Labour voters that they would give their votes to the Tories now wonder they get called Red Tories. | |||
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"Lets try this as no one seems to want to answer this question.. name one single policy the Tories will do to help local councils in Scotland ? Surely to god you would want to know this or does people not care and would be happy for the Tories to cut local services I would answer this but given I've asked at least half a dozen questions on this thread and the other one and you've not answered a single one of them then I don't really feel that you're interested in any genuine discussion." So you do know of one single Tory policy that the Tories have said that would help local councils ? | |||
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"I'm a lifelong Tory (albeit with UKIP sympathy's) and well bloody proud of it. Tory government for (at least) five more years.
All you bitter and twisted socialists had better get used to it. "Well said | |||
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"The tories, Glasgow Rangers-BNP and the orange lodge - the coalition of the hellish. Fuck the community, follow the union flag." For anyone not from Scotland I'm afraid this is the reality in Glasgow at least. It's the only possible explanation for the results in shettleson and ferguslie park these are not areas where people vote for Tory policy. They are some of the most deprived areas you could imagine. I know people personally that vote conservative purely on affiliation to either the orange lodge or just rangers itself. People who proudly admit voting for Thatcher. There's a substantial amount of these people throughout Scotland . It's the union at any cost for no other reason than their "traditions" I'm not an snp supporter either BTW I'm undecided on independence still. Some big questions need answering but with the way things are going I'm almost convinced. | |||
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"I'm a lifelong Tory (albeit with UKIP sympathy's) and well bloody proud of it. Tory government for (at least) five more years.
All you bitter and twisted socialists had better get used to it.
Well said "Well said to what ? Scotland rejects the Tories but your happy for cuts to be forced onto a coutnry that doesnt vote Tory ? Sorry but the UK is not united England votes Tory fair enough but Scotland didnt. Seems some people are ok with Tory dictatorship no family of nations and equal partnership am seeing | |||
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"The tories, Glasgow Rangers-BNP and the orange lodge - the coalition of the hellish. Fuck the community, follow the union flag. For anyone not from Scotland I'm afraid this is the reality in Glasgow at least. It's the only possible explanation for the results in shettleson and ferguslie park these are not areas where people vote for Tory policy. They are some of the most deprived areas you could imagine. I know people personally that vote conservative purely on affiliation to either the orange lodge or just rangers itself. People who proudly admit voting for Thatcher. There's a substantial amount of these people throughout Scotland . It's the union at any cost for no other reason than their "traditions" I'm not an snp supporter either BTW I'm undecided on independence still. Some big questions need answering but with the way things are going I'm almost convinced. " If that's the case then why would they be voting conservative for the first timr in generations? Why didn't they vote for them previously if it was down to football and the orange order? Also, how does this explain the large increases in areas such as Aberdeen or Perthshire etc? | |||
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" Ok you have asked one question on this post so my answer to your question yes the SNP lost out in Angus but who is it you suppose it giving the Tories their votes sure as hell is not SNP voters that would be Labour voters or were they ever true Labour voters that they would give their votes to the Tories now wonder they get called Red Tories. " That definitely can't be the right answer. Labour only lost a few votes, the SNP were down 13.2% and Conservatives were up 16.1%. So all those votes the Conservatives got couldn't have come from Labour... | |||
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"I'm a lifelong Tory (albeit with UKIP sympathy's) and well bloody proud of it. Tory government for (at least) five more years.
All you bitter and twisted socialists had better get used to it.
Well said
Well said to what ? Scotland rejects the Tories but your happy for cuts to be forced onto a coutnry that doesnt vote Tory ?
Sorry but the UK is not united England votes Tory fair enough but Scotland didnt.
Seems some people are ok with Tory dictatorship no family of nations and equal partnership am seeing"United kingdom the clue is there... it's treated as a whole unit not separate entities... and as long as people have a free and democratic vote without a gun pointed to one's head or a hand lopped off then whichever way it's painted its still a democracy, just a shame that some people can't seem to accept other people's democratic right to vote as they see fit. Good night and take care and sincerely hope all goes well with the young un | |||
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"Am seeing Tory gains in Scotland i do not get how anyone can vote for the Tories knowing full well they are punishing the poor. Can anyone name a policy from the Scottish Tories that they put forward to help local councils ? Also A reality check to pro union supporters. Tories are not neck and neck with the SNP. All that is happening is the Tories are taking votes from Labour. Scottish Labour fail to see what is going on and they still dont and they aint listening. " | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. " fully agree | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Shettleston has a fairly large population of Glasgow Rangers supporters and has done for some time. To a man, they are Unionists, many of whom were filmed giving the Nazi salute in George Square after Indyref 1. Given the state of the Labour party in Scotland, my guess is they would probably prefer to vote for a Unionist party rather than the SNP. More fool them. Yup more fool anyone that voted Tory in Scotland when they find cuts to their local areas But hey we all know where they are gonna pin the blame its all gonna be the SNP fault in their eyes and defend the Tories at all costs to defend the UK union. " And the tory bastards will be using "were all in this together" bollocks while looking after themselves and their rich greedy mates | |||
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"I'm a lifelong Tory (albeit with UKIP sympathy's) and well bloody proud of it. Tory government for (at least) five more years.
All you bitter and twisted socialists had better get used to it. "Your saying that because your either joining the tory gravy train of greed.. Or.. Your a greedy mug who fell for their crap | |||
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"The shift from Labour to Tory in Scotland can only mean that for some voters a painted flag is more important than other people or principle Sad as hell " No it means the electotate are fed up of the snp bullshit whos only goal is independecd | |||
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"The shift from Labour to Tory in Scotland can only mean that for some voters a painted flag is more important than other people or principle Sad as hell No it means the electotate are fed up of the snp bullshit whos only goal is independecd" Would that be the one goal that the SNP didn't say once in this council election and the SNP were putting forward polices to help councils however the Tories and Labour in Scotland put forward their anti-independence message as their main policy in a council election yeah that really shows you how much the Tories and Labour care about local councils you not find it weird that no one can answer the question to name one policy the Tories in Scotland had to help local councils? SNP 431 seats Tories 276 who won the council elections ? | |||
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" No it means the electotate are fed up of the snp bullshit whos only goal is independecd" Really? You'll be up to speed on Scottish politics from Bournemouth? The fact that you spout that rubbish demonstrates that you are swallowing the tories' bullshit. Their line is to parrot a lie often enough that it will be swallowed by the gullible. Classic Goebbles propaganda. | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. I'll take that as a no then. Erm i answered it... i said and here is the answer yet again..Its clear Labour voters are voting Tory. So now its your turn please would you answer mine name a single Scottish Tory policy to help local councils ? " Anti-independence. | |||
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"The tories, Glasgow Rangers-BNP and the orange lodge - the coalition of the hellish. Fuck the community, follow the union flag. For anyone not from Scotland I'm afraid this is the reality in Glasgow at least. It's the only possible explanation for the results in shettleson and ferguslie park these are not areas where people vote for Tory policy. They are some of the most deprived areas you could imagine. I know people personally that vote conservative purely on affiliation to either the orange lodge or just rangers itself. People who proudly admit voting for Thatcher. There's a substantial amount of these people throughout Scotland . It's the union at any cost for no other reason than their "traditions" I'm not an snp supporter either BTW I'm undecided on independence still. Some big questions need answering but with the way things are going I'm almost convinced. If that's the case then why would they be voting conservative for the first timr in generations? Why didn't they vote for them previously if it was down to football and the orange order? Also, how does this explain the large increases in areas such as Aberdeen or Perthshire etc?" Perthshire is a very affluent area and a large amount of southerners moving up here with the vast majority who move up being true blooded Tories Many are against indiref2 and also voting tory, Tories won a majority vote by 2 councillors Tories 17 SNP 15 I am sure this may well turn around in the GE as there is a huge SNP following in Perthshire also. Aberdeen Oil Industry brings in many outsiders who will vote anything but snp. And as for Glasgow Rangers, it is "inbred" into them that they are "British", some even "spray paint" their grass Blue, that is the mentality you are dealing with. | |||
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"The tories, Glasgow Rangers-BNP and the orange lodge - the coalition of the hellish. Fuck the community, follow the union flag." | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. " .... or can i maybe suggest something more reasonable... instead of blaming westminster for every single thing, what they may have worked out is actually the things that affect them day to day are actually governed by those in holyrood..... you know.... health, education, transport, social care, policing ect.... so maybe a lot of people think that instead of always keeping one eye of another indyref, maybe they should keep all of their attention on actually doing what they are paid to do... govern!!! | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. .... or can i maybe suggest something more reasonable... instead of blaming westminster for every single thing, what they may have worked out is actually the things that affect them day to day are actually governed by those in holyrood..... you know.... health, education, transport, social care, policing ect.... so maybe a lot of people think that instead of always keeping one eye of another indyref, maybe they should keep all of their attention on actually doing what they are paid to do... govern!!!" Yes they do govern and do it very well much better than the UK government the NHS has a very better record you dont see nurses/doctors striking in Scotland you dont see the Red Cross coming into Scotland's hospital's Education in Scotland also has the best record in the UK. Transport - is improving and seen as any rail line problems is a Network rail problem which is reversed to Westminster that a UK government problem. Police Scotland are the only police force in the UK they pay VAT. | |||
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"So are you saying that the goverment that is in at the moment in Scotland have and are doing such a great job but are not getting the votes. Surely if things were that good and upcoming then the local people would want to vote the same people right back in! " They did get the votes SNP - 431 council seats Tories- 276 council seats I think you can see a clear winner Also shows you something 40 year of a Labour run Glasgow city council are now gone. So the last few elections... 2015 UK election SNP -56 out of 59 seats 2016- Scottish elections - SNP 63 MSP's two short of a overall majority 2017 council elections - SNP are the largest party in 19 councils and gained seats from the last council election in 2012 i would say not bad for a party that some people think is not trusted seems to me they have still got the majority of Scottish people trust while Labour in Scotland fail to listen and the Tories think they are in some kinda come back when in reality all they are doing is replacing a weak ass Scottish Labour party who dont know what they stand for anymore | |||
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"The shift from Labour to Tory in Scotland can only mean that for some voters a painted flag is more important than other people or principle Sad as hell No it means the electotate are fed up of the snp bullshit whos only goal is independecd" ______________ Nonsense. What you fail to see is that there are 1000's of diehard unionists who simply can't bring themselves to vote for a non-unionist party. They can see that Labour is f**ked so they voted for the other unionist party - the Tories.... So they are voting for the union flag, nothing to do with local issues. _____________________ | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. " Tory cuts as opposed to SNP cuts you mean? | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. .... or can i maybe suggest something more reasonable... instead of blaming westminster for every single thing, what they may have worked out is actually the things that affect them day to day are actually governed by those in holyrood..... you know.... health, education, transport, social care, policing ect.... so maybe a lot of people think that instead of always keeping one eye of another indyref, maybe they should keep all of their attention on actually doing what they are paid to do... govern!!!" I think a lot of Scottish folk are getting a bit fed up with Sturgeon and the SNP obsessing about independence and taking their eye off the ball on the day job of governing. Sturgeon needs to knuckle down and get on with the day job instead of constantly obsessing about independence all the time. Labour are a waste of space and offer no real opposition to the SNP in Scotland so that's why the Tories have made good gains. Could also be a lot of people who voted for Brexit in Scotland (over a million) back Theresa May's Brexit plan and are sick and tired of hearing Sturgeon moaning and whinging about leaving the EU. | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. .... or can i maybe suggest something more reasonable... instead of blaming westminster for every single thing, what they may have worked out is actually the things that affect them day to day are actually governed by those in holyrood..... you know.... health, education, transport, social care, policing ect.... so maybe a lot of people think that instead of always keeping one eye of another indyref, maybe they should keep all of their attention on actually doing what they are paid to do... govern!!! I think a lot of Scottish folk are getting a bit fed up with Sturgeon and the SNP obsessing about independence and taking their eye off the ball on the day job of governing. Sturgeon needs to knuckle down and get on with the day job instead of constantly obsessing about independence all the time. Labour are a waste of space and offer no real opposition to the SNP in Scotland so that's why the Tories have made good gains. Could also be a lot of people who voted for Brexit in Scotland (over a million) back Theresa May's Brexit plan and are sick and tired of hearing Sturgeon moaning and whinging about leaving the EU. " See that's were you are wrong the snp are doing a great job in Scotland that's why the majority of ppl keep voting for them ;you really shouldn't listen to the msm as they are all pro tory ;we will see in 5 wks time when ppl go and vote and I'm pretty sure the snp will hAve an overwhelming majority once again | |||
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"Can you explain why a 20 year old Conservative won a seat in Shettleston, one of Glasgow's most deprived areas? Its clear Labour voters are jumping ship and voting the sick bastards the Tories. This is not about independence although funny enough the Tories and Labour put that forward as their main message in this council election strange as i thought they didnt want to talk about independence. Now can you name a single policy that the Scottish Tories would do to help local councils that are most deprived ? Those people that voted Tory will soon enough see that they vote to give the Tories power will mean Tory cuts and those same people will prob moan their ass off blaming the SNP. .... or can i maybe suggest something more reasonable... instead of blaming westminster for every single thing, what they may have worked out is actually the things that affect them day to day are actually governed by those in holyrood..... you know.... health, education, transport, social care, policing ect.... so maybe a lot of people think that instead of always keeping one eye of another indyref, maybe they should keep all of their attention on actually doing what they are paid to do... govern!!! I think a lot of Scottish folk are getting a bit fed up with Sturgeon and the SNP obsessing about independence and taking their eye off the ball on the day job of governing. Sturgeon needs to knuckle down and get on with the day job instead of constantly obsessing about independence all the time. Labour are a waste of space and offer no real opposition to the SNP in Scotland so that's why the Tories have made good gains. Could also be a lot of people who voted for Brexit in Scotland (over a million) back Theresa May's Brexit plan and are sick and tired of hearing Sturgeon moaning and whinging about leaving the EU. " That's the trouble, you listen far too much to the BBC and Ruth Davidson, If you want to criticize the SNP you should first come up and actually see how well things are running in Scotland rather than criticize from behind a desk down south. Scotland is being Governed very well at this moment, schools, NHS, & transport are performing greatly. Then there is the duelling of the A9, and the Queensferry crossing is almost complete, roads network is good and these potholes are eventually being filled. Everywhere you go, you see good progress and people would rather have the SNP in charge rather than the likes of Kezia Dugdale or Ruth Davidson. Since you are so hell bent on criticizing the SNP tell us all which party you think could achieve more for Scotland. | |||
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"The council elections in scotland turned into a unionist v nationalist vote due to the tory approach ...at no point did the snp mention indy in their quest for council seats ..however all the tories harked on about was a vote for them will save the union ...(even tho council elections have fuck all to do with indy) and there was NOTHING absolutely NOTHING in their literature about how they would tackle local issues..meanwhile labour under that waste of space kezia couldnt come up with anything to fight the seats with leaving alot of labour(against indy) voters with 2 options ...not vote or vote tory ..which they did in great numbers ..i have heard alot of talk in last 24 hrs about this resurgence in tory votes means indy is dying...they can believe that at their pearl ...this council election means absolutely nothing on that front ..all you have to do is look at the turn outs on thursday 48% here 49%there ....thats a shit load of voters who havent nailed their colours to the mast YET! "So you're saying that the council elections had nothing to do with the general election, but 50 odd percent of people didn't vote in the council elections because they haven't decided who to vote for in the general election? | |||
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"The shift from Labour to Tory in Scotland can only mean that for some voters a painted flag is more important than other people or principle Sad as hell " Its democracy... some people voted.. some didn't.. and the result is what you see.. Just because its not your choice doesn't make it right or wrong.. Just how people voted. | |||
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" Scotland is being Governed very well at this moment, schools, NHS, & transport are performing greatly." This is absolute nonsense. They are going backwards check the Scottish govt's own site for the evidence of this. | |||
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"Am really shocked at Motherwell tonight voting in a Tory knowing full well what the Tories did to Ravenscraig Yeah that wouldnt surprise me if Labour did dirty deals with the Tories to keep their councils out of SNP hands i seen it all over social media Labour voters saying they would be ok with Labour doing deals with the Tories to keep SNP out so it would appear the Better Together shite has not ended for some people yet learn nothing on what its doing to Labour in Scotland by siding with the Tories and their nasty ass cuts Ok,let me throw this out there. Do you ardent SNP supporters think that Ms Sturgeon went too early on her call for Indy2? Nope once again the Holyrood vote took places it passed no matter how much people like to spin it you cant change that vote unless people are happy with being undemocratic Again this was a council election vote nothing to do with independence but shows you what the Tories think about council elections when there was not a damn single policy on what they would do to help local council areas it was fought a anti independence ticket and they lost as the SNP are the largest party in councils and won the most seats by a mile " I think you seriously underestimate how strongly people feel about issues of sovereignty and political union. I normally vote Conservative but, because of BREXIT I'll be voting LibDem this time, as will many others although probably not enough to make a difference. The UK leaving the EU is small fry in terms of likely change and upheaval compared to Scotland leaving the UK. If I was living in Scotland I would vote for the party I felt was most likely to preserve and strengthen the (UK) Union. BREXIT and any other issue would play second fiddle to that one issue. Look at what's happened in Northern Ireland over the last 80+ years. The main political divide there is, and had been throughout living memory, the sovereign states of the province. When ever the Pandora's Box of sovereignty is opened all other political considerations eventually sink down the list of people's priorities. So, let me ask you, who opened the Pandora's Box of sovereignty in Scotland, Labour, Conservative, LibDem or Scottish Nationalist party? Whoever it was, they are responsible for both the increase in people voting for the strongest anti (UK) Unionist party and the most (UK) Unionist party, which is respectively the "Scottish Nationalist Party" and the "Conservative and (Liberal) Unionist Party". The clues in the name. | |||
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"I'm a lifelong Tory (albeit with UKIP sympathy's) and well bloody proud of it. Tory government for (at least) five more years.
All you bitter and twisted socialists had better get used to it.
Used to what Scotland's voters have again rejected the the Tories 431 seats won by SNP and the Tories get 276 so that means SNP win the Scottish council elections
You seem a tad confused here. The Conervatives started from a very low base line, whereas the SNP were on a high base line.
The SNP got the most seats but did they get the biggest gains? The fact that the Conservatives have won seats in areas where they even feared to tread years ago must even surprise you?
And what Tories gained seats from Labour so what thats on Labour thats not the SNP fault
Main fact of the day SNP won the electon
"I don't disagree with you that the SNP won the council elections in Scotland. As the main issue in Scotland becomes more and about the sovereign status of Scotland within the UK people will tend to vote for either Unionism or Independence. Currently there are three Unionist parties and only one Independence party. However, if the issue is not resolved in reasonably sort measure, the Unionist vote will coalesce round one party and that will most likely be the most Unionist of the Unionist parties, which is the "Conservative and (Liberal) Unionist Party" | |||
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"The Tory vote is a "soft vote" as many have said. If Labour ever get there act together they will reclaim most of those votes.....But people see the way this cult of the SNP is going and are fearful we have someone shouting on here about the lack of Tory council policy...While me and many others hear nothing but ill thought out bull from a part which has seen a decline in our standards of living ,health, and education....Oh and the latest SNP party political broadcast ?.... surely not a Project Fear broadcast ?........tut tut "Just seen it
Huge contradiction in it as they talk about record investment in the NHS and how you must vote SNP to protect it from 'Tory cuts' while completely ignoring the fact the NHS budget in Scotland is at the level it is because of increases in spending in England. They even used to post this on the Scotgov website:
"...Resource funding has increased by £284.6 million in 2014-15, from £11,321.8 million to £11,606.4 million. This is the full amount of the budget consequentials arising from the increase to health in England and delivers on the Scottish Government’s commitment to pass on the resource budget consequentials in full to the health budget in Scotland."
I'm not sure they post this any longer though. Surprisingly... | |||
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"Yes there policy on reducing the cost of the welfare state will save the councils money in the long run. Abolish all benefits including housing and council tax benefit. The savings could be passed on to us pressed higher tax payers. Why should we subsidies the proletariat? A bit of hunger gives incentive to work and earn your own money! Down with all scroungers!" you really are a vile despicable excuse of a human | |||
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"Yes there policy on reducing the cost of the welfare state will save the councils money in the long run. Abolish all benefits including housing and council tax benefit. The savings could be passed on to us pressed higher tax payers. Why should we subsidies the proletariat? A bit of hunger gives incentive to work and earn your own money! Down with all scroungers! you really are a vile despicable excuse of a human " Think the sarcasm went over your head there! | |||
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"Yes there policy on reducing the cost of the welfare state will save the councils money in the long run. Abolish all benefits including housing and council tax benefit. The savings could be passed on to us pressed higher tax payers. Why should we subsidies the proletariat? A bit of hunger gives incentive to work and earn your own money! Down with all scroungers! you really are a vile despicable excuse of a human Think the sarcasm went over your head there! "having seen several of his previous posts there is no sarcasm involved . the above is very much his regular battlecry | |||
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"Yes there policy on reducing the cost of the welfare state will save the councils money in the long run. Abolish all benefits including housing and council tax benefit. The savings could be passed on to us pressed higher tax payers. Why should we subsidies the proletariat? A bit of hunger gives incentive to work and earn your own money! Down with all scroungers! you really are a vile despicable excuse of a human Think the sarcasm went over your head there!
having seen several of his previous posts there is no sarcasm involved . the above is very much his regular battlecry "Blimey, and there's me thinking that sort of dinosaur was extinct! | |||
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"Yes there policy on reducing the cost of the welfare state will save the councils money in the long run. Abolish all benefits including housing and council tax benefit. The savings could be passed on to us pressed higher tax payers. Why should we subsidies the proletariat? A bit of hunger gives incentive to work and earn your own money! Down with all scroungers! you really are a vile despicable excuse of a human Think the sarcasm went over your head there!
having seen several of his previous posts there is no sarcasm involved . the above is very much his regular battlecry "Totally agree. Seen similiar posts from him. | |||
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"Vile, sounds as though you are on the receiving end! I'd rather be vile, work hard pay the ridiculous taxes I pay and still have cash in my pocket than be a scrounger like so many in this country. There are so many who cannot afford to work as they will loose their over generous benefits! If they were hungry then there would be no option but to work or starve. Hard work does not kill it gives respect and the ability to be self sufficient, prosperous and create jobs for the benefit of all. The welfare state should be a safety net for the people who genuinely cannot work! Not a lifestyle choice!" Omg what a nasty person maybe you should direct your tory crap to the big corporations who dont pay their taxes instead of trying to blame vulnerable ppl on benefits ,think youv been watching to much channel 5 and reading the tory press | |||
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"I wonder what lifestyle choices you have made? I am not a Tory just someone who is fed up with everyone who thinks they are so entitled without taking any responsibility for their own future. It is very easy to sit back and blame others?" The lifestyle choices I've made? | |||
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