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"There appears to be little hope of progress being made with the EU negotiating team as long as PM May has put herself at the head of the UK negotiating team and has already allowed her emotions to cloud the issues. Cool heads and clear vision is needed to negotiate and even though the talks have not even started, our Prime Minister has started to blame others because she can't control the agenda or the pace. Time for a new PM? Time to replace an emotional woman with a more stable person who does not suffer her inherent weaknesses and flaws. As she herself said, getting it wrong will not cost her - it will cost the ordinary person." I'm curious what do you mean by this? | |||
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"initially she was basically saying it was all just gossip and the next thing its all playing up to the Thatcher loving conservative wing of the Tory party.. bit inconsistent, again.." What do you expect, she's trying to keep a foot in each camp. Eventually a rift will form in the party and one faction will pull the rug from under her. The tory party could split much the same way like labour did, accept rather than after the referendum, during the negotiations. Unless of course the tory party somehow deselects the pro-eu MP's so they have a orwellian approach to Brexit. | |||
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"initially she was basically saying it was all just gossip and the next thing its all playing up to the Thatcher loving conservative wing of the Tory party.. bit inconsistent, again.. What do you expect, she's trying to keep a foot in each camp. Eventually a rift will form in the party and one faction will pull the rug from under her. The tory party could split much the same way like labour did, accept rather than after the referendum, during the negotiations. Unless of course the tory party somehow deselects the pro-eu MP's so they have a orwellian approach to Brexit. " You dream.... | |||
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"She has both control and emotional issues and neither are conducive to being a successful negotiator. 1) By insisting that she herself heads up the negotiating team this provides the EU negotiator with an advantage as he is going to be dealing with the decision maker and can "close" her. The EU negotiator will always have to defer to a higher authority and do cannot be "closed." 2) she displayed an emotional weakness yesterday by ranting about hidden forces, threats and interference, none of which was true but simply highlighted how easily she can be rattled. " What was she ranting about in regards to hidden forces, threats and interference - sounds remarkably like trump and farage. Tbh, I don't like the idea of a PM negotiating. She should delegate the role to the most suitable out of a team of negotiators and legal experts. Strong man politics are something, but for God's sake, delegate. | |||
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"initially she was basically saying it was all just gossip and the next thing its all playing up to the Thatcher loving conservative wing of the Tory party.. bit inconsistent, again.. What do you expect, she's trying to keep a foot in each camp. Eventually a rift will form in the party and one faction will pull the rug from under her. The tory party could split much the same way like labour did, accept rather than after the referendum, during the negotiations. Unless of course the tory party somehow deselects the pro-eu MP's so they have a orwellian approach to Brexit. You dream...." Can you see the Tory pro-remain MP's in remain constituencies toeing the line? The tories have been having a quiet civil war, it's just not as dramatic and public as the labour one. | |||
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"initially she was basically saying it was all just gossip and the next thing its all playing up to the Thatcher loving conservative wing of the Tory party.. bit inconsistent, again.. What do you expect, she's trying to keep a foot in each camp. Eventually a rift will form in the party and one faction will pull the rug from under her. The tory party could split much the same way like labour did, accept rather than after the referendum, during the negotiations. Unless of course the tory party somehow deselects the pro-eu MP's so they have a orwellian approach to Brexit. You dream.... Can you see the Tory pro-remain MP's in remain constituencies toeing the line? The tories have been having a quiet civil war, it's just not as dramatic and public as the labour one." When Theresa May gets a stonking great big majority on June 8th it will unite the Tory party. The 2 main Remoaning whingers Cameron and Osborne have already gone. | |||
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"initially she was basically saying it was all just gossip and the next thing its all playing up to the Thatcher loving conservative wing of the Tory party.. bit inconsistent, again.. What do you expect, she's trying to keep a foot in each camp. Eventually a rift will form in the party and one faction will pull the rug from under her. The tory party could split much the same way like labour did, accept rather than after the referendum, during the negotiations. Unless of course the tory party somehow deselects the pro-eu MP's so they have a orwellian approach to Brexit. You dream.... Can you see the Tory pro-remain MP's in remain constituencies toeing the line? The tories have been having a quiet civil war, it's just not as dramatic and public as the labour one. When Theresa May gets a stonking great big majority on June 8th it will unite the Tory party. The 2 main Remoaning whingers Cameron and Osborne have already gone. "  | |||
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"I have just been watching Donald Tusk also just say that emotions need to be kept in check. I really do think that May and her team need to just suck it up and get on with leaving with a little bit more dignity than is being shown this far. The election is a complete sideshow, just like it was for Alex Tsipiras the Greek. We are leaving, the deal will be worse than what we have now so let's just accept it and move on with grace. Let's just get the fuck out of the EU without any drama, but make sure that any and every Brexiter that you know, owns the outcome and is not left to forget it." The strong EU rhetoric is for domestic consumption. Nothing meaningful can be done in Brexit negotiations until after the French and UK elections. | |||
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"Well how about that for a sexist comment. " that's tolerant 'liberals' for you.
Poor little woman should be tending the roses at the vicarage while the 'men' sort these things out eh | |||
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"Well how about that for a sexist comment. that's tolerant 'liberals' for you.
Poor little woman should be tending the roses at the vicarage while the 'men' sort these things out eh"Exactly. We need reliable people like... Farron or Corbyn...who would make Neville Chamberlain look like a war hero. | |||
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"I have just been watching Donald Tusk also just say that emotions need to be kept in check. I really do think that May and her team need to just suck it up and get on with leaving with a little bit more dignity than is being shown this far. The election is a complete sideshow, just like it was for Alex Tsipiras the Greek. We are leaving, the deal will be worse than what we have now so let's just accept it and move on with grace. Let's just get the fuck out of the EU without any drama, but make sure that any and every Brexiter that you know, owns the outcome and is not left to forget it."
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"Well how about that for a sexist comment. that's tolerant 'liberals' for you.
Poor little woman should be tending the roses at the vicarage while the 'men' sort these things out eh"As opposed to let's-sterilise-those-on-benefits right wing? See lumping people together like that sounds stupid doesn't it? I'm quick sickened by the vile comments on this forum towards Dianne Abbot. In her job I think she is incompetent, hypocritical and useless. But read some of the comments on her towards her and you'd think she eats newborns. -Matt | |||
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"Well how about that for a sexist comment. that's tolerant 'liberals' for you.
Poor little woman should be tending the roses at the vicarage while the 'men' sort these things out eh
As opposed to let's-sterilise-those-on-benefits right wing?
See lumping people together like that sounds stupid doesn't it?
I'm quick sickened by the vile comments on this forum towards Dianne Abbot. In her job I think she is incompetent, hypocritical and useless. But read some of the comments on her towards her and you'd think she eats newborns.
-Matt"....did you feel the same way when farage was getting vile comments. And | |||
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"Well how about that for a sexist comment. that's tolerant 'liberals' for you.
Poor little woman should be tending the roses at the vicarage while the 'men' sort these things out eh
As opposed to let's-sterilise-those-on-benefits right wing?
See lumping people together like that sounds stupid doesn't it?
I'm quick sickened by the vile comments on this forum towards Dianne Abbot. In her job I think she is incompetent, hypocritical and useless. But read some of the comments on her towards her and you'd think she eats newborns.
-Matt....did you feel the same way when farage was getting vile comments. And"Well I did, the comments filled with outright hate and bias against a person, rather than their policies and ideas is pretty poor. Everyone who uses this forum is guilty of doing this to some extent. | |||
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"I have just been watching Donald Tusk also just say that emotions need to be kept in check. I really do think that May and her team need to just suck it up and get on with leaving with a little bit more dignity than is being shown this far. The election is a complete sideshow, just like it was for Alex Tsipiras the Greek. We are leaving, the deal will be worse than what we have now so let's just accept it and move on with grace. Let's just get the fuck out of the EU without any drama, but make sure that any and every Brexiter that you know, owns the outcome and is not left to forget it." I'm happy to accept my responsibilities as an avid leave voter, and I'm more than happy with the way TM is handling the whole process. Juncker needs to put his whiskey soaked dummy back in his mouth get back in his pram and try taking an afternoon nap | |||
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"Well how about that for a sexist comment. that's tolerant 'liberals' for you.
Poor little woman should be tending the roses at the vicarage while the 'men' sort these things out eh
As opposed to let's-sterilise-those-on-benefits right wing?
See lumping people together like that sounds stupid doesn't it?
I'm quick sickened by the vile comments on this forum towards Dianne Abbot. In her job I think she is incompetent, hypocritical and useless. But read some of the comments on her towards her and you'd think she eats newborns.
-Matt"I've heard she can only eat half a baby in any 1 sitting. Telruthfully The woman is a racist 2 faced imbecile | |||
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"voting for any tory is a vote for murder not even elected and wanting to bomb the fuck out of Syria " Source? You do know Parliament has been dissolved? | |||
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"She has both control and emotional issues and neither are conducive to being a successful negotiator. 1) By insisting that she herself heads up the negotiating team this provides the EU negotiator with an advantage as he is going to be dealing with the decision maker and can "close" her. The EU negotiator will always have to defer to a higher authority and do cannot be "closed." 2) she displayed an emotional weakness yesterday by ranting about hidden forces, threats and interference, none of which was true but simply highlighted how easily she can be rattled. " I thought Donald had taught her well  | |||
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"It's quite incredible that after all this time and I'm talking over 25 years not just the past year , that we're talking about being reasonable , being constructive and not emotional over talks with the EU . At the end of the day we need a tough leader not someone who will be a push over . How many prime ministers (Major, Blair Duncan smith , Cameron etc ) have ever come away with anything in terms of a rebate for what we put into the financial system ? despite us being its biggest contributor alongside Germany . Each and every one of them has failed why because of the arrogance and self centred nature of how the EU conducts itself , bottom line is You can't make deals with a DICTATORSHIP !!!! We have in my opinion the best Prime minister we've had since our last lady prime minister , but deep down we all know that's she's wasting her time, like I said you can't negotiate with a dictatorship. NO DEAL !! " We've had a rebate since 1984. | |||
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"It's quite incredible that after all this time and I'm talking over 25 years not just the past year , that we're talking about being reasonable , being constructive and not emotional over talks with the EU . At the end of the day we need a tough leader not someone who will be a push over . How many prime ministers (Major, Blair Duncan smith , Cameron etc ) have ever come away with anything in terms of a rebate for what we put into the financial system ? despite us being its biggest contributor alongside Germany . Each and every one of them has failed why because of the arrogance and self centred nature of how the EU conducts itself , bottom line is You can't make deals with a DICTATORSHIP !!!! We have in my opinion the best Prime minister we've had since our last lady prime minister , but deep down we all know that's she's wasting her time, like I said you can't negotiate with a dictatorship. NO DEAL !! We've had a rebate since 1984. " What I'm saying is that over years and years we generally go to the EU with pleading with "a begging bowl" please sir can I have some more despite the enormous contributions we pay in , so we've been banging our head against a brick wall for a long time with this organisation. It's time to stop | |||
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"It's quite incredible that after all this time and I'm talking over 25 years not just the past year , that we're talking about being reasonable , being constructive and not emotional over talks with the EU . At the end of the day we need a tough leader not someone who will be a push over . How many prime ministers (Major, Blair Duncan smith , Cameron etc ) have ever come away with anything in terms of a rebate for what we put into the financial system ? despite us being its biggest contributor alongside Germany . Each and every one of them has failed why because of the arrogance and self centred nature of how the EU conducts itself , bottom line is You can't make deals with a DICTATORSHIP !!!! We have in my opinion the best Prime minister we've had since our last lady prime minister , but deep down we all know that's she's wasting her time, like I said you can't negotiate with a dictatorship. NO DEAL !! " This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with the way that the Press in this country has brainwashed so many people over so many years. This is presumably a grown up and educated person who is totally convinced that the EU is a dictatorship. | |||
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"initially she was basically saying it was all just gossip and the next thing its all playing up to the Thatcher loving conservative wing of the Tory party.. bit inconsistent, again.." They may love what they think Thatcher was but, as she was the main architect of The Single Market and enlargement of the EC/EU into Eastern Europe, they clearly don't really love what she actually stood for and believed. | |||
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"initially she was basically saying it was all just gossip and the next thing its all playing up to the Thatcher loving conservative wing of the Tory party.. bit inconsistent, again.. What do you expect, she's trying to keep a foot in each camp. Eventually a rift will form in the party and one faction will pull the rug from under her. The tory party could split much the same way like labour did, accept rather than after the referendum, during the negotiations. Unless of course the tory party somehow deselects the pro-eu MP's so they have a orwellian approach to Brexit. You dream.... Can you see the Tory pro-remain MP's in remain constituencies toeing the line? The tories have been having a quiet civil war, it's just not as dramatic and public as the labour one. When Theresa May gets a stonking great big majority on June 8th it will unite the Tory party. The 2 main Remoaning whingers Cameron and Osborne have already gone. " ummm! Bless! Let's see how it all turns out shall we? | |||
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"Well how about that for a sexist comment. that's tolerant 'liberals' for you.
Poor little woman should be tending the roses at the vicarage while the 'men' sort these things out eh
As opposed to let's-sterilise-those-on-benefits right wing?
See lumping people together like that sounds stupid doesn't it?
I'm quick sickened by the vile comments on this forum towards Dianne Abbot. In her job I think she is incompetent, hypocritical and useless. But read some of the comments on her towards her and you'd think she eats newborns.
-Matt....did you feel the same way when farage was getting vile comments. And"Yes I did actually. I even argued in some of the threads attacking him personally when I felt it had gone too far, such as the case were him and members of his family were physically and verbally attached outside a pub. I don't agree with Fararge of Abbot and don't particularly like either of them. | |||
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"It's quite incredible that after all this time and I'm talking over 25 years not just the past year , that we're talking about being reasonable , being constructive and not emotional over talks with the EU . At the end of the day we need a tough leader not someone who will be a push over . How many prime ministers (Major, Blair Duncan smith , Cameron etc ) have ever come away with anything in terms of a rebate for what we put into the financial system ? despite us being its biggest contributor alongside Germany . Each and every one of them has failed why because of the arrogance and self centred nature of how the EU conducts itself , bottom line is You can't make deals with a DICTATORSHIP !!!! We have in my opinion the best Prime minister we've had since our last lady prime minister , but deep down we all know that's she's wasting her time, like I said you can't negotiate with a dictatorship. NO DEAL !! " Duncan Smith, thankfully, was never PM. He was replaced as Conservative leader just before the election because he was almost as ineffectual as leader of the opposition as the current one is. Unfortunately the Conservatives went on to choose Michael Howard after that so still lost the election anyway. | |||
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"It's quite incredible that after all this time and I'm talking over 25 years not just the past year , that we're talking about being reasonable , being constructive and not emotional over talks with the EU . At the end of the day we need a tough leader not someone who will be a push over . How many prime ministers (Major, Blair Duncan smith , Cameron etc ) have ever come away with anything in terms of a rebate for what we put into the financial system ? despite us being its biggest contributor alongside Germany . Each and every one of them has failed why because of the arrogance and self centred nature of how the EU conducts itself , bottom line is You can't make deals with a DICTATORSHIP !!!! We have in my opinion the best Prime minister we've had since our last lady prime minister , but deep down we all know that's she's wasting her time, like I said you can't negotiate with a dictatorship. NO DEAL !! " Wow amazing well said x | |||
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"It's quite incredible that after all this time and I'm talking over 25 years not just the past year , that we're talking about being reasonable , being constructive and not emotional over talks with the EU . At the end of the day we need a tough leader not someone who will be a push over . How many prime ministers (Major, Blair Duncan smith , Cameron etc ) have ever come away with anything in terms of a rebate for what we put into the financial system ? despite us being its biggest contributor alongside Germany . Each and every one of them has failed why because of the arrogance and self centred nature of how the EU conducts itself , bottom line is You can't make deals with a DICTATORSHIP !!!! We have in my opinion the best Prime minister we've had since our last lady prime minister , but deep down we all know that's she's wasting her time, like I said you can't negotiate with a dictatorship. NO DEAL !! We've had a rebate since 1984. " QED?  | |||
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"It's quite incredible that after all this time and I'm talking over 25 years not just the past year , that we're talking about being reasonable , being constructive and not emotional over talks with the EU . At the end of the day we need a tough leader not someone who will be a push over . How many prime ministers (Major, Blair Duncan smith , Cameron etc ) have ever come away with anything in terms of a rebate for what we put into the financial system ? despite us being its biggest contributor alongside Germany . Each and every one of them has failed why because of the arrogance and self centred nature of how the EU conducts itself , bottom line is You can't make deals with a DICTATORSHIP !!!! We have in my opinion the best Prime minister we've had since our last lady prime minister , but deep down we all know that's she's wasting her time, like I said you can't negotiate with a dictatorship. NO DEAL !! This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with the way that the Press in this country has brainwashed so many people over so many years. This is presumably a grown up and educated person who is totally convinced that the EU is a dictatorship. " ......If it's not a dictactorship.....then why after so much turmoil and huge criticism does it not do the simple thing and reform....because dictatorships don't like being told what to do or reform. | |||
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"It's quite incredible that after all this time and I'm talking over 25 years not just the past year , that we're talking about being reasonable , being constructive and not emotional over talks with the EU . At the end of the day we need a tough leader not someone who will be a push over . How many prime ministers (Major, Blair Duncan smith , Cameron etc ) have ever come away with anything in terms of a rebate for what we put into the financial system ? despite us being its biggest contributor alongside Germany . Each and every one of them has failed why because of the arrogance and self centred nature of how the EU conducts itself , bottom line is You can't make deals with a DICTATORSHIP !!!! We have in my opinion the best Prime minister we've had since our last lady prime minister , but deep down we all know that's she's wasting her time, like I said you can't negotiate with a dictatorship. NO DEAL !! " OP has not convinced me by any shot that theresa may is un fit to lead us. This is pretty much my view, countries are better off leading themslves, down with the EU! | |||
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"It's quite incredible that after all this time and I'm talking over 25 years not just the past year , that we're talking about being reasonable , being constructive and not emotional over talks with the EU . At the end of the day we need a tough leader not someone who will be a push over . How many prime ministers (Major, Blair Duncan smith , Cameron etc ) have ever come away with anything in terms of a rebate for what we put into the financial system ? despite us being its biggest contributor alongside Germany . Each and every one of them has failed why because of the arrogance and self centred nature of how the EU conducts itself , bottom line is You can't make deals with a DICTATORSHIP !!!! We have in my opinion the best Prime minister we've had since our last lady prime minister , but deep down we all know that's she's wasting her time, like I said you can't negotiate with a dictatorship. NO DEAL !! OP has not convinced me by any shot that theresa may is un fit to lead us. This is pretty much my view, countries are better off leading themslves, down with the EU! " Theresa May is a remainer though...... | |||
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"May will be doing it wheather you like it or not we have to hope she does a good job. I would like Farage to do it but it will not happen so lets hope for the best." I think the best hope we have is bob hope | |||
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