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"Just seen on the news tonight some of the rallying that Theresa May has been doing. Seeing the banners where she was (Burnley?) that just said "Theresa May. Strong and Stable Leadership". There wasn't even any mention on there of the Conservative party. It was very 'presidential', seems that they are doubling down on the 'strong and stable leadership' meme and focussing on May herself (I guess to contrast public view of Corbyn as weak leader). Hate to say it, but it looks like a damn clever tactic and might take them quite far. -Matt" Hopefully  | |||
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"Just seen on the news tonight some of the rallying that Theresa May has been doing. Seeing the banners where she was (Burnley?) that just said "Theresa May. Strong and Stable Leadership". There wasn't even any mention on there of the Conservative party. It was very 'presidential', seems that they are doubling down on the 'strong and stable leadership' meme and focussing on May herself (I guess to contrast public view of Corbyn as weak leader). Hate to say it, but it looks like a damn clever tactic and might take them quite far. -Matt" Let's be honest JC and his so solid crew, will need a life boat after this election, that's if there are any left for them to climb in to  | |||
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"Just seen on the news tonight some of the rallying that Theresa May has been doing. Seeing the banners where she was (Burnley?) that just said "Theresa May. Strong and Stable Leadership". There wasn't even any mention on there of the Conservative party. It was very 'presidential', seems that they are doubling down on the 'strong and stable leadership' meme and focussing on May herself (I guess to contrast public view of Corbyn as weak leader). Hate to say it, but it looks like a damn clever tactic and might take them quite far. -Matt Let's be honest JC and his so solid crew, will need a life boat after this election, that's if there are any left for them to climb in to "The problem is you can clearly see how vapid and empty anything Theresa May says is, yet that seems to be the vogue at the moment. Style over substance. Unkept promises over integrity. The public have a short memory and she is playing to that and saying what they want to hear. Yes strong and stable leadership is great, and what we need... just we could do with it not leading us into complete moral and financial bankruptcy. -Matt | |||
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"Just seen on the news tonight some of the rallying that Theresa May has been doing. Seeing the banners where she was (Burnley?) that just said "Theresa May. Strong and Stable Leadership". There wasn't even any mention on there of the Conservative party. It was very 'presidential', seems that they are doubling down on the 'strong and stable leadership' meme and focussing on May herself (I guess to contrast public view of Corbyn as weak leader). Hate to say it, but it looks like a damn clever tactic and might take them quite far. -Matt" Strong and stable.. So is kim jong un  | |||
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"Just seen on the news tonight some of the rallying that Theresa May has been doing. Seeing the banners where she was (Burnley?) that just said "Theresa May. Strong and Stable Leadership". There wasn't even any mention on there of the Conservative party. It was very 'presidential', seems that they are doubling down on the 'strong and stable leadership' meme and focussing on May herself (I guess to contrast public view of Corbyn as weak leader). Hate to say it, but it looks like a damn clever tactic and might take them quite far. -Matt Let's be honest JC and his so solid crew, will need a life boat after this election, that's if there are any left for them to climb in to
The problem is you can clearly see how vapid and empty anything Theresa May says is, yet that seems to be the vogue at the moment. Style over substance. Unkept promises over integrity. The public have a short memory and she is playing to that and saying what they want to hear. Yes strong and stable leadership is great, and what we need... just we could do with it not leading us into complete moral and financial bankruptcy.
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"On Peston she seemed to focus more on strong and stable "government". Maybe she's been told people are getting a bit pissed with hearing it so often?" I'd like to get on Peston | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig." the more interesting bit of the story may be which paper it is being reported from.... it is actually a very well respected centre right german paper.... so if the meeting is as explosive as is being reported... and juncker thinking that may's demands are "out of this galaxy"..... doesn't bode well for any future negoiations.... | |||
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"On Peston she seemed to focus more on strong and stable "government". Maybe she's been told people are getting a bit pissed with hearing it so often?" i think people will get pissed off with it if they are going to hear it for the next 5 weeks..... especially if it looks like she is ducking debates.... the torys will target corbyn personally... he is there best play the lib dems will target ther "remainer" vote for the backlash of may going to the right.... labour needs not so much to focus on her... but on the NHS, Education and Policing..... | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig." EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK!" They are one and the same thing | |||
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"Just seen on the news tonight some of the rallying that Theresa May has been doing. Seeing the banners where she was (Burnley?) that just said "Theresa May. Strong and Stable Leadership". There wasn't even any mention on there of the Conservative party. It was very 'presidential', seems that they are doubling down on the 'strong and stable leadership' meme and focussing on May herself (I guess to contrast public view of Corbyn as weak leader). Hate to say it, but it looks like a damn clever tactic and might take them quite far. -Matt Let's be honest JC and his so solid crew, will need a life boat after this election, that's if there are any left for them to climb in to
The problem is you can clearly see how vapid and empty anything Theresa May says is, yet that seems to be the vogue at the moment. Style over substance. Unkept promises over integrity. The public have a short memory and she is playing to that and saying what they want to hear. Yes strong and stable leadership is great, and what we need... just we could do with it not leading us into complete moral and financial bankruptcy.
-Matt"It's Corbyn and Labour who won't be able to keep all the promises they are making. | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. the more interesting bit of the story may be which paper it is being reported from.... it is actually a very well respected centre right german paper.... so if the meeting is as explosive as is being reported... and juncker thinking that may's demands are "out of this galaxy"..... doesn't bode well for any future negoiations.... " There are a few disturbing facts coming out of this. The "leak" was clearly engineered by Juncker's side. Is this going to be the EU's way in future negotiations, releasing selected snippets of supposedly confidential information? I believe that this was Juncker's first official visit to the UK. He has been to Germany 13 times in comparison. Inside sources say that Merkel's "illusional" speech last week was motivated by a 7am phone call from Juncker to Merkel the morning after the dinner. It seems that "federalist" Juncker is trying to put down some hard markers here ahead of the UK General Election. Perhaps he still bears a grudge against the UK for trying to block his re-election last time round? | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. the more interesting bit of the story may be which paper it is being reported from.... it is actually a very well respected centre right german paper.... so if the meeting is as explosive as is being reported... and juncker thinking that may's demands are "out of this galaxy"..... doesn't bode well for any future negoiations.... There are a few disturbing facts coming out of this. The "leak" was clearly engineered by Juncker's side. Is this going to be the EU's way in future negotiations, releasing selected snippets of supposedly confidential information? I believe that this was Juncker's first official visit to the UK. He has been to Germany 13 times in comparison. Inside sources say that Merkel's "illusional" speech last week was motivated by a 7am phone call from Juncker to Merkel the morning after the dinner. It seems that "federalist" Juncker is trying to put down some hard markers here ahead of the UK General Election. Perhaps he still bears a grudge against the UK for trying to block his re-election last time round? " I think to sum It up briefly Juncker can go fuck himself. Maybe he should be more worried about the french election this weekend. If Le Pen wins the EU is finished. | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. the more interesting bit of the story may be which paper it is being reported from.... it is actually a very well respected centre right german paper.... so if the meeting is as explosive as is being reported... and juncker thinking that may's demands are "out of this galaxy"..... doesn't bode well for any future negoiations.... " Oddly tho it's the opposite of what Junker said when asked directly after the meeting. He said that the first point (citizenship both ways) could be sorted very quickly. Obviously there are different positions on the exit bill (which we all know exists...and obviously always have done). They want as much as they can get...we want to pay as little as possible. No surprise there. . The EU do not want to see May to get a bigger majority. It WILL strengthen her hand. So no surprise that they will brief against her as often as possible to interfere in our election.... just as Russia did in the US elections. It's no different really.... they have form on this in Ukraine. | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing " Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt" I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. the more interesting bit of the story may be which paper it is being reported from.... it is actually a very well respected centre right german paper.... so if the meeting is as explosive as is being reported... and juncker thinking that may's demands are "out of this galaxy"..... doesn't bode well for any future negoiations.... Oddly tho it's the opposite of what Junker said when asked directly after the meeting. He said that the first point (citizenship both ways) could be sorted very quickly. Obviously there are different positions on the exit bill (which we all know exists...and obviously always have done). They want as much as they can get...we want to pay as little as possible. No surprise there. . The EU do not want to see May to get a bigger majority. It WILL strengthen her hand. So no surprise that they will brief against her as often as possible to interfere in our election.... just as Russia did in the US elections. It's no different really.... they have form on this in Ukraine." Yes, I think that is about right. As for May's "out of the galaxy" demands. I don't really think she has made many as such. It just that she is saying no to their "out of the galaxy" demands. | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either 
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt"It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" Because the EU wants to destroy itself by making it easy and beneficial for countries to leave it?  | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
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It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality"Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks. -Matt | |||
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" I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
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It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt"i have to say that one did really make me laugh........ they had to say that purely for comical value!! that was almost a "conway level" fact..... | |||
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" I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
i have to say that one did really make me laugh........ they had to say that purely for comical value!! that was almost a "conway level" fact....."Exactly, and pretty much demonstrates what I mean in my OP... this election has now got to the level of just unashamed NLP-type soundbites. Picking a statement and just repeating it over and over. If they say it enough times then it becomes true. I know this has always been the case, but I don't think I've ever seen it quite as blatant as this. The fact that she had even dropped the Conservatives branding and they are just pushing May herself. There is a hope that people will get pissed off with the statement and she has peaked too early with it. Maybe it will just become ridicule, a bit like that Tory party conference in which everyone was standing with their legs apart like some media consultant had said to them 'what you need to do is...' and they all just started doing it, despite how stupid and un-natural it looked. -Matt | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt"Your thinking is complete bollocks. Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU? | |||
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" I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
i have to say that one did really make me laugh........ they had to say that purely for comical value!! that was almost a "conway level" fact.....
Exactly, and pretty much demonstrates what I mean in my OP... this election has now got to the level of just unashamed NLP-type soundbites. Picking a statement and just repeating it over and over. If they say it enough times then it becomes true. I know this has always been the case, but I don't think I've ever seen it quite as blatant as this. The fact that she had even dropped the Conservatives branding and they are just pushing May herself. There is a hope that people will get pissed off with the statement and she has peaked too early with it.
Maybe it will just become ridicule, a bit like that Tory party conference in which everyone was standing with their legs apart like some media consultant had said to them 'what you need to do is...' and they all just started doing it, despite how stupid and un-natural it looked.
-Matt"
May looks like a control freak. Regardless of whatever political leanings I may have, I find it really disturbing. It's almost dictatorial. It certainly is not presidential.
I think she should do some debates. She'll look like the schoolyard bully if she doesn't. The other parties prob won't say anything, and that's the killer. The silence and the refusal to communicate will make her look like a little dictator, and instead of looking like a strong leader, she'll look like a know it all, uncaring politician who refuses to even listen to the most powerful of the lot, the voter with his vote.
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"I believe that when the UK leaves the EU, the credit rating of the EU will be downgraded." you are probably right.... well... half right... i think both set of credit ratings will be downgraded.... no one wins... the UK's credit rating is already below france and germanys anyway... i do think that changes..... | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
Your thinking is complete bollocks.
Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU?"I didn't say that. I hope the UK gets a free trade deal. I really do. But I don't think the UK is prepared to accepts the terms that the EU are offering. And I don't think it is in the best interests of the EU to accept the 'we want our cake and eat it' offer the UK is trying for. So on that basis your statement, "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks. The EU have by far the upper hand in these negotiations as the UK has the most to lose by not reaching a deal in the time we have. The UK don't have the aptitude or attitude to get the negotiations correct, and so alas I fear we won't get a deal sorted by the time we leave the EU. -Matt | |||
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" I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
i have to say that one did really make me laugh........ they had to say that purely for comical value!! that was almost a "conway level" fact.....
Exactly, and pretty much demonstrates what I mean in my OP... this election has now got to the level of just unashamed NLP-type soundbites. Picking a statement and just repeating it over and over. If they say it enough times then it becomes true. I know this has always been the case, but I don't think I've ever seen it quite as blatant as this. The fact that she had even dropped the Conservatives branding and they are just pushing May herself. There is a hope that people will get pissed off with the statement and she has peaked too early with it.
Maybe it will just become ridicule, a bit like that Tory party conference in which everyone was standing with their legs apart like some media consultant had said to them 'what you need to do is...' and they all just started doing it, despite how stupid and un-natural it looked.
-Matt
May looks like a control freak. Regardless of whatever political leanings I may have, I find it really disturbing. It's almost dictatorial. It certainly is not presidential.
I think she should do some debates. She'll look like the schoolyard bully if she doesn't. The other parties prob won't say anything, and that's the killer. The silence and the refusal to communicate will make her look like a little dictator, and instead of looking like a strong leader, she'll look like a know it all, uncaring politician who refuses to even listen to the most powerful of the lot, the voter with his vote.
Sometimes omissions speak volumes."And the irony being, she will have successfully conned people into voting for her under the guise of 'taking back control'. People don't realise they are just handing control to someone who will soon have the power to screw them over even more. -Matt | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
Your thinking is complete bollocks.
Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU?
I didn't say that.
I hope the UK gets a free trade deal. I really do. But I don't think the UK is prepared to accepts the terms that the EU are offering. And I don't think it is in the best interests of the EU to accept the 'we want our cake and eat it' offer the UK is trying for. So on that basis your statement, "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks. The EU have by far the upper hand in these negotiations as the UK has the most to lose by not reaching a deal in the time we have. The UK don't have the aptitude or attitude to get the negotiations correct, and so alas I fear we won't get a deal sorted by the time we leave the EU.
-Matt"Again you are deluded. The UK has the upper hand. Half the EU is in crisis | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
Your thinking is complete bollocks.
Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU?
I didn't say that.
I hope the UK gets a free trade deal. I really do. But I don't think the UK is prepared to accepts the terms that the EU are offering. And I don't think it is in the best interests of the EU to accept the 'we want our cake and eat it' offer the UK is trying for. So on that basis your statement, "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks. The EU have by far the upper hand in these negotiations as the UK has the most to lose by not reaching a deal in the time we have. The UK don't have the aptitude or attitude to get the negotiations correct, and so alas I fear we won't get a deal sorted by the time we leave the EU.
-Matt
Again you are deluded. The UK has the upper hand. Half the EU is in crisis"How do you figure half the EU is in crisis? And regardless of that, I still don't understand your reasoning for why you think the best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants. -Matt | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
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It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
Your thinking is complete bollocks.
Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU?
I didn't say that.
I hope the UK gets a free trade deal. I really do. But I don't think the UK is prepared to accepts the terms that the EU are offering. And I don't think it is in the best interests of the EU to accept the 'we want our cake and eat it' offer the UK is trying for. So on that basis your statement, "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks. The EU have by far the upper hand in these negotiations as the UK has the most to lose by not reaching a deal in the time we have. The UK don't have the aptitude or attitude to get the negotiations correct, and so alas I fear we won't get a deal sorted by the time we leave the EU.
-Matt
Again you are deluded. The UK has the upper hand. Half the EU is in crisis
How do you figure half the EU is in crisis? And regardless of that, I still don't understand your reasoning for why you think the best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants.
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
Your thinking is complete bollocks.
Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU?
I didn't say that.
I hope the UK gets a free trade deal. I really do. But I don't think the UK is prepared to accepts the terms that the EU are offering. And I don't think it is in the best interests of the EU to accept the 'we want our cake and eat it' offer the UK is trying for. So on that basis your statement, "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks. The EU have by far the upper hand in these negotiations as the UK has the most to lose by not reaching a deal in the time we have. The UK don't have the aptitude or attitude to get the negotiations correct, and so alas I fear we won't get a deal sorted by the time we leave the EU.
-Matt
Again you are deluded. The UK has the upper hand. Half the EU is in crisis
How do you figure half the EU is in crisis? And regardless of that, I still don't understand your reasoning for why you think the best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants.
-Matt"Perhaps crisis is the wrong word, I just hear it used a lot when I'm in Spain. But half the EU or Eurozone at least is struggling and it is in those countries interests that the UK economy is not damaged at all, the UK is the EU's single biggest customer and they just cannot afford it. EU countries are already facing a £10billion shortfall in the EU budget with half the countries saying they are not willing to pay any more and the other half saying they are not willing to accept any less, so what do they do? One things for sure, they won't take an unnecessary hit to their economies. Take no notice of d*unker Juncker and the rest of the posturing pretend politicians, listen to someone like Cecilia Malstrom, the EU commissioner for trade who says that the EU will strike a free trade deal with the UK 'for sure' and when asked again whether she was certain said 'of course'. What more do we want? | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
Your thinking is complete bollocks.
Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU?
I didn't say that.
I hope the UK gets a free trade deal. I really do. But I don't think the UK is prepared to accepts the terms that the EU are offering. And I don't think it is in the best interests of the EU to accept the 'we want our cake and eat it' offer the UK is trying for. So on that basis your statement, "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks. The EU have by far the upper hand in these negotiations as the UK has the most to lose by not reaching a deal in the time we have. The UK don't have the aptitude or attitude to get the negotiations correct, and so alas I fear we won't get a deal sorted by the time we leave the EU.
-Matt
Again you are deluded. The UK has the upper hand. Half the EU is in crisis
How do you figure half the EU is in crisis? And regardless of that, I still don't understand your reasoning for why you think the best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants.
-Matt
Because now we are Europe's largest export market and as Merkel invited over 1,000,000 unskilled potential terrorists who all demand housing and jobs, they need us more than we need them. ""over 1,000,000 unskilled potential terrorists" Oh. Wow. -Matt | |||
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" Because now we are Europe's largest export market and as Merkel invited over 1,000,000 unskilled potential terrorists who all demand housing and jobs, they need us more than we need them. i was waiting on the "they need us more" statement..... thanks for not disappointing... oh... and the other part of your statement.... extremely distasteful...." lf you find the notion of supply and demand to be shameful then that's on you. When you bring in 1,000,000 more of anything - in this case labour- it devalues the commodity. We've seen it with the steel and ferrous alloy markets. You don't live in reality though, and would rather deny it because it conflicts with your ideology. | |||
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" Because now we are Europe's largest export market and as Merkel invited over 1,000,000 unskilled potential terrorists who all demand housing and jobs, they need us more than we need them. i was waiting on the "they need us more" statement..... thanks for not disappointing... oh... and the other part of your statement.... extremely distasteful.... lf you find the notion of supply and demand to be shameful then that's on you. When you bring in 1,000,000 more of anything - in this case labour- it devalues the commodity. We've seen it with the steel and ferrous alloy markets. You don't live in reality though, and would rather deny it because it conflicts with your ideology. " Pssttt... it might be a bit too subtle for you, but the bit I think Fabio finds distasteful (I certainly do) is the 'potential terrorist' label. Just a guess though. -Matt | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
Your thinking is complete bollocks.
Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU?
I didn't say that.
I hope the UK gets a free trade deal. I really do. But I don't think the UK is prepared to accepts the terms that the EU are offering. And I don't think it is in the best interests of the EU to accept the 'we want our cake and eat it' offer the UK is trying for. So on that basis your statement, "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks. The EU have by far the upper hand in these negotiations as the UK has the most to lose by not reaching a deal in the time we have. The UK don't have the aptitude or attitude to get the negotiations correct, and so alas I fear we won't get a deal sorted by the time we leave the EU.
-Matt
Again you are deluded. The UK has the upper hand. Half the EU is in crisis"I'm sure a Swedish trade minister in the EU said the other week she has no doubt at all that the UK and the EU would have a free trade deal. | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
Your thinking is complete bollocks.
Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU?
I didn't say that.
I hope the UK gets a free trade deal. I really do. But I don't think the UK is prepared to accepts the terms that the EU are offering. And I don't think it is in the best interests of the EU to accept the 'we want our cake and eat it' offer the UK is trying for. So on that basis your statement, "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks. The EU have by far the upper hand in these negotiations as the UK has the most to lose by not reaching a deal in the time we have. The UK don't have the aptitude or attitude to get the negotiations correct, and so alas I fear we won't get a deal sorted by the time we leave the EU.
-Matt
Again you are deluded. The UK has the upper hand. Half the EU is in crisis
How do you figure half the EU is in crisis? And regardless of that, I still don't understand your reasoning for why you think the best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants.
-Matt
Perhaps crisis is the wrong word, I just hear it used a lot when I'm in Spain. But half the EU or Eurozone at least is struggling and it is in those countries interests that the UK economy is not damaged at all, the UK is the EU's single biggest customer and they just cannot afford it. EU countries are already facing a £10billion shortfall in the EU budget with half the countries saying they are not willing to pay any more and the other half saying they are not willing to accept any less, so what do they do? One things for sure, they won't take an unnecessary hit to their economies. Take no notice of d*unker Juncker and the rest of the posturing pretend politicians, listen to someone like Cecilia Malstrom, the EU commissioner for trade who says that the EU will strike a free trade deal with the UK 'for sure' and when asked again whether she was certain said 'of course'. What more do we want?" yes that was the Swedish lady in the EU I was thinking of. | |||
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"speaking of which... loving the headline on the front of george osborne's london evening standard..... and the first editorial.... "No one should assume that the referendum gave a mandate to the government to answer any of these questions about Britain’s future. It did not. A general election victory for the Conservatives could provide more of a mandate, but only if the prime minister and her colleagues spell out in much more detail what their intentions are. It’s early days, but that is not happening, thanks in part to the failure of the desperately weak Labour leadership to offer a proper opposition. There’s nothing wrong with repeating election campaign slogans; the problem comes when the election campaign amounts to no more than a slogan. If you ask for a blank cheque, don’t be surprised if later it bounces." can't say i disagree..... " It was George Osborne who said a vote to leave means leaving the single market though. So he already gave the public the detail on that issue himself. Maybe his headline should have pointed that out to remind everyone what he said during the referendum campaign. | |||
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"The EU have said their main priorities are securing the rights of EU citizens in the UK, and getting the UK to pay its Brexit bill. They have added that there should be no trade talks till the 'divorce' settlement is agreed. Hardly sounds like they're desperate for a trade deal. " Lol Are you related to Lance corporal Jones  | |||
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"The EU have said their main priorities are securing the rights of EU citizens in the UK, and getting the UK to pay its Brexit bill. They have added that there should be no trade talks till the 'divorce' settlement is agreed. Hardly sounds like they're desperate for a trade deal. Lol Are you related to Lance corporal Jones "I'm more of a Sgt Wilson man. | |||
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" Because now we are Europe's largest export market and as Merkel invited over 1,000,000 unskilled potential terrorists who all demand housing and jobs, they need us more than we need them. i was waiting on the "they need us more" statement..... thanks for not disappointing... oh... and the other part of your statement.... extremely distasteful.... lf you find the notion of supply and demand to be shameful then that's on you. When you bring in 1,000,000 more of anything - in this case labour- it devalues the commodity. We've seen it with the steel and ferrous alloy markets. You don't live in reality though, and would rather deny it because it conflicts with your ideology. " you have misread this whole thing a million unskilled people is just naive some will have skill ..and if you have manufacturing based economy like Germany what you need to make even more money is cheap labour...they will grow Germany economy even more .. | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
Your thinking is complete bollocks.
Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU?
I didn't say that.
I hope the UK gets a free trade deal. I really do. But I don't think the UK is prepared to accepts the terms that the EU are offering. And I don't think it is in the best interests of the EU to accept the 'we want our cake and eat it' offer the UK is trying for. So on that basis your statement, "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks. The EU have by far the upper hand in these negotiations as the UK has the most to lose by not reaching a deal in the time we have. The UK don't have the aptitude or attitude to get the negotiations correct, and so alas I fear we won't get a deal sorted by the time we leave the EU.
-Matt
Again you are deluded. The UK has the upper hand. Half the EU is in crisis
How do you figure half the EU is in crisis? And regardless of that, I still don't understand your reasoning for why you think the best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants.
-Matt
Perhaps crisis is the wrong word, I just hear it used a lot when I'm in Spain. But half the EU or Eurozone at least is struggling and it is in those countries interests that the UK economy is not damaged at all, the UK is the EU's single biggest customer and they just cannot afford it. EU countries are already facing a £10billion shortfall in the EU budget with half the countries saying they are not willing to pay any more and the other half saying they are not willing to accept any less, so what do they do? One things for sure, they won't take an unnecessary hit to their economies. Take no notice of d*unker Juncker and the rest of the posturing pretend politicians, listen to someone like Cecilia Malstrom, the EU commissioner for trade who says that the EU will strike a free trade deal with the UK 'for sure' and when asked again whether she was certain said 'of course'. What more do we want?"I think you should go negotiate for us. If only for the entertainment value. | |||
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" Because now we are Europe's largest export market and as Merkel invited over 1,000,000 unskilled potential terrorists who all demand housing and jobs, they need us more than we need them. i was waiting on the "they need us more" statement..... thanks for not disappointing... oh... and the other part of your statement.... extremely distasteful.... lf you find the notion of supply and demand to be shameful then that's on you. When you bring in 1,000,000 more of anything - in this case labour- it devalues the commodity. We've seen it with the steel and ferrous alloy markets. You don't live in reality though, and would rather deny it because it conflicts with your ideology. you have misread this whole thing a million unskilled people is just naive some will have skill ..and if you have manufacturing based economy like Germany what you need to make even more money is cheap labour...they will grow Germany economy even more .." On a slightly different note, who gave Merkel permission to allow 1,000.000 people into the EU? | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
Your thinking is complete bollocks.
Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU?
I didn't say that.
I hope the UK gets a free trade deal. I really do. But I don't think the UK is prepared to accepts the terms that the EU are offering. And I don't think it is in the best interests of the EU to accept the 'we want our cake and eat it' offer the UK is trying for. So on that basis your statement, "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks. The EU have by far the upper hand in these negotiations as the UK has the most to lose by not reaching a deal in the time we have. The UK don't have the aptitude or attitude to get the negotiations correct, and so alas I fear we won't get a deal sorted by the time we leave the EU.
-Matt
Again you are deluded. The UK has the upper hand. Half the EU is in crisis
How do you figure half the EU is in crisis? And regardless of that, I still don't understand your reasoning for why you think the best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants.
-Matt
Perhaps crisis is the wrong word, I just hear it used a lot when I'm in Spain. But half the EU or Eurozone at least is struggling and it is in those countries interests that the UK economy is not damaged at all, the UK is the EU's single biggest customer and they just cannot afford it. EU countries are already facing a £10billion shortfall in the EU budget with half the countries saying they are not willing to pay any more and the other half saying they are not willing to accept any less, so what do they do? One things for sure, they won't take an unnecessary hit to their economies. Take no notice of d*unker Juncker and the rest of the posturing pretend politicians, listen to someone like Cecilia Malstrom, the EU commissioner for trade who says that the EU will strike a free trade deal with the UK 'for sure' and when asked again whether she was certain said 'of course'. What more do we want?
I think you should go negotiate for us. If only for the entertainment value.
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
-Matt
It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
-Matt
Your thinking is complete bollocks.
Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU?
I didn't say that.
I hope the UK gets a free trade deal. I really do. But I don't think the UK is prepared to accepts the terms that the EU are offering. And I don't think it is in the best interests of the EU to accept the 'we want our cake and eat it' offer the UK is trying for. So on that basis your statement, "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks. The EU have by far the upper hand in these negotiations as the UK has the most to lose by not reaching a deal in the time we have. The UK don't have the aptitude or attitude to get the negotiations correct, and so alas I fear we won't get a deal sorted by the time we leave the EU.
-Matt
Again you are deluded. The UK has the upper hand. Half the EU is in crisis
How do you figure half the EU is in crisis? And regardless of that, I still don't understand your reasoning for why you think the best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants.
-Matt
Perhaps crisis is the wrong word, I just hear it used a lot when I'm in Spain. But half the EU or Eurozone at least is struggling and it is in those countries interests that the UK economy is not damaged at all, the UK is the EU's single biggest customer and they just cannot afford it. EU countries are already facing a £10billion shortfall in the EU budget with half the countries saying they are not willing to pay any more and the other half saying they are not willing to accept any less, so what do they do? One things for sure, they won't take an unnecessary hit to their economies. Take no notice of d*unker Juncker and the rest of the posturing pretend politicians, listen to someone like Cecilia Malstrom, the EU commissioner for trade who says that the EU will strike a free trade deal with the UK 'for sure' and when asked again whether she was certain said 'of course'. What more do we want?
yes that was the Swedish lady in the EU I was thinking of. "Great, she she is sure we will have a free trade agreement. We have free trade with the EU now as part of the single market. Oh? What, you don't like this trade deal? Why? Because of those pesky foreigners coming over here? So what is in our new free trade deal? You don't know do you? No, of course not as it has not been negotiated yet. So saying 'we will have a free trade deal' doesn't mean anything really unless we know what the terms will be. As Malstrom has said before, yes we will have a free trade deal, but it will take years to negotiate and that negotiation won't start until we have left. Now that stance seems to have softened a bit, and I think the EU have compromised slightly and now saying that negotiation can start once the 'divorce settlement' negotiations are complete. -Matt | |||
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" Because now we are Europe's largest export market and as Merkel invited over 1,000,000 unskilled potential terrorists who all demand housing and jobs, they need us more than we need them. i was waiting on the "they need us more" statement..... thanks for not disappointing... oh... and the other part of your statement.... extremely distasteful.... lf you find the notion of supply and demand to be shameful then that's on you. When you bring in 1,000,000 more of anything - in this case labour- it devalues the commodity. We've seen it with the steel and ferrous alloy markets. You don't live in reality though, and would rather deny it because it conflicts with your ideology. you have misread this whole thing a million unskilled people is just naive some will have skill ..and if you have manufacturing based economy like Germany what you need to make even more money is cheap labour...they will grow Germany economy even more .. On a slightly different note, who gave Merkel permission to allow 1,000.000 people into the EU?she let 1 million into Germany not the eu ..those one million wouldn't be able to travel the eu untill they become German citerzens " Which takes 5 years. What is the difference then? | |||
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" Because now we are Europe's largest export market and as Merkel invited over 1,000,000 unskilled potential terrorists who all demand housing and jobs, they need us more than we need them. i was waiting on the "they need us more" statement..... thanks for not disappointing... oh... and the other part of your statement.... extremely distasteful.... lf you find the notion of supply and demand to be shameful then that's on you. When you bring in 1,000,000 more of anything - in this case labour- it devalues the commodity. We've seen it with the steel and ferrous alloy markets. You don't live in reality though, and would rather deny it because it conflicts with your ideology. you have misread this whole thing a million unskilled people is just naive some will have skill ..and if you have manufacturing based economy like Germany what you need to make even more money is cheap labour...they will grow Germany economy even more .. On a slightly different note, who gave Merkel permission to allow 1,000.000 people into the EU?she let 1 million into Germany not the eu ..those one million wouldn't be able to travel the eu untill they become German citerzens Which takes 5 years. What is the difference then?" well since the UK has never been part of schengen, so they couldn't travel here anyway... and the UK is leaving the EU.... the answer to that is no difference to you......... | |||
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"The EU have said their main priorities are securing the rights of EU citizens in the UK, and getting the UK to pay its Brexit bill. They have added that there should be no trade talks till the 'divorce' settlement is agreed. Hardly sounds like they're desperate for a trade deal. " that has been their starting point all along...... which is why people were saying that as a gesture of goodwill all teresa had to say is "we will honour the rights of all EU citizens already here to stay and be protected under the same laws as uk citizens" and that that is that off the table.... rather than making them pawns on the table....... in fact... If the EU really want to make May look silly before the election.... I would put out the following statement just about a week before the election... "even those the UK government has refused the oppotunity of guarenteeing the rights of the EU27 citizens in the uk, we the EU27 will guarentee the rights of UK citizens living in the EU area... we believe these rights are just and funderment and we believe that peoples lives should not be use as some sort of bargining chip in any potential future trade negoiations...." and let them stew on that...... | |||
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" Because now we are Europe's largest export market and as Merkel invited over 1,000,000 unskilled potential terrorists who all demand housing and jobs, they need us more than we need them. i was waiting on the "they need us more" statement..... thanks for not disappointing... oh... and the other part of your statement.... extremely distasteful.... lf you find the notion of supply and demand to be shameful then that's on you. When you bring in 1,000,000 more of anything - in this case labour- it devalues the commodity. We've seen it with the steel and ferrous alloy markets. You don't live in reality though, and would rather deny it because it conflicts with your ideology. you have misread this whole thing a million unskilled people is just naive some will have skill ..and if you have manufacturing based economy like Germany what you need to make even more money is cheap labour...they will grow Germany economy even more .. On a slightly different note, who gave Merkel permission to allow 1,000.000 people into the EU?she let 1 million into Germany not the eu ..those one million wouldn't be able to travel the eu untill they become German citerzens Which takes 5 years. What is the difference then? well since the UK has never been part of schengen, so they couldn't travel here anyway... and the UK is leaving the EU.... the answer to that is no difference to you........." Why couldn't they travel here anyway? And as I will be returning to live in Spain in a few years time the answer is not no difference to me | |||
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"The EU have said their main priorities are securing the rights of EU citizens in the UK, and getting the UK to pay its Brexit bill. They have added that there should be no trade talks till the 'divorce' settlement is agreed. Hardly sounds like they're desperate for a trade deal. that has been their starting point all along...... which is why people were saying that as a gesture of goodwill all teresa had to say is "we will honour the rights of all EU citizens already here to stay and be protected under the same laws as uk citizens" and that that is that off the table.... rather than making them pawns on the table....... in fact... If the EU really want to make May look silly before the election.... I would put out the following statement just about a week before the election... "even those the UK government has refused the oppotunity of guarenteeing the rights of the EU27 citizens in the uk, we the EU27 will guarentee the rights of UK citizens living in the EU area... we believe these rights are just and funderment and we believe that peoples lives should not be use as some sort of bargining chip in any potential future trade negoiations...." and let them stew on that...... " It was reported that at this infamous dinner last week, Theresa May indicated to Juncker that she wanted this issue settled in June. Juncker apparently looked skyward and said words to the effect that "it would take many years" I'm not sure if this is when he pulled out the 6kg of paper out of his briefcase! | |||
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" Because now we are Europe's largest export market and as Merkel invited over 1,000,000 unskilled potential terrorists who all demand housing and jobs, they need us more than we need them. i was waiting on the "they need us more" statement..... thanks for not disappointing... oh... and the other part of your statement.... extremely distasteful.... lf you find the notion of supply and demand to be shameful then that's on you. When you bring in 1,000,000 more of anything - in this case labour- it devalues the commodity. We've seen it with the steel and ferrous alloy markets. You don't live in reality though, and would rather deny it because it conflicts with your ideology. you have misread this whole thing a million unskilled people is just naive some will have skill ..and if you have manufacturing based economy like Germany what you need to make even more money is cheap labour...they will grow Germany economy even more .. On a slightly different note, who gave Merkel permission to allow 1,000.000 people into the EU?she let 1 million into Germany not the eu ..those one million wouldn't be able to travel the eu untill they become German citerzens Which takes 5 years. What is the difference then? well since the UK has never been part of schengen, so they couldn't travel here anyway... and the UK is leaving the EU.... the answer to that is no difference to you......... Why couldn't they travel here anyway? And as I will be returning to live in Spain in a few years time the answer is not no difference to me" So that means in a few year's time there will be 1,000,001 foreigners in the EU then?
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" Because now we are Europe's largest export market and as Merkel invited over 1,000,000 unskilled potential terrorists who all demand housing and jobs, they need us more than we need them. i was waiting on the "they need us more" statement..... thanks for not disappointing... oh... and the other part of your statement.... extremely distasteful.... lf you find the notion of supply and demand to be shameful then that's on you. When you bring in 1,000,000 more of anything - in this case labour- it devalues the commodity. We've seen it with the steel and ferrous alloy markets. You don't live in reality though, and would rather deny it because it conflicts with your ideology. you have misread this whole thing a million unskilled people is just naive some will have skill ..and if you have manufacturing based economy like Germany what you need to make even more money is cheap labour...they will grow Germany economy even more .. On a slightly different note, who gave Merkel permission to allow 1,000.000 people into the EU?she let 1 million into Germany not the eu ..those one million wouldn't be able to travel the eu untill they become German citerzens Which takes 5 years. What is the difference then? well since the UK has never been part of schengen, so they couldn't travel here anyway... and the UK is leaving the EU.... the answer to that is no difference to you......... Why couldn't they travel here anyway? And as I will be returning to live in Spain in a few years time the answer is not no difference to me So that means in a few year's time there will be 1,000,001 foreigners in the EU then?
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" Because now we are Europe's largest export market and as Merkel invited over 1,000,000 unskilled potential terrorists who all demand housing and jobs, they need us more than we need them. i was waiting on the "they need us more" statement..... thanks for not disappointing... oh... and the other part of your statement.... extremely distasteful.... lf you find the notion of supply and demand to be shameful then that's on you. When you bring in 1,000,000 more of anything - in this case labour- it devalues the commodity. We've seen it with the steel and ferrous alloy markets. You don't live in reality though, and would rather deny it because it conflicts with your ideology. you have misread this whole thing a million unskilled people is just naive some will have skill ..and if you have manufacturing based economy like Germany what you need to make even more money is cheap labour...they will grow Germany economy even more .. On a slightly different note, who gave Merkel permission to allow 1,000.000 people into the EU?she let 1 million into Germany not the eu ..those one million wouldn't be able to travel the eu untill they become German citerzens Which takes 5 years. What is the difference then? well since the UK has never been part of schengen, so they couldn't travel here anyway... and the UK is leaving the EU.... the answer to that is no difference to you......... Why couldn't they travel here anyway? And as I will be returning to live in Spain in a few years time the answer is not no difference to me So that means in a few year's time there will be 1,000,001 foreigners in the EU then?
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" It was reported that at this infamous dinner last week, Theresa May indicated to Juncker that she wanted this issue settled in June. Juncker apparently looked skyward and said words to the effect that "it would take many years" I'm not sure if this is when he pulled out the 6kg of paper out of his briefcase! " seee..... there is a solution to this may could have played.... and i hope it ends up in one of the other parties manifesto's because you could make the tories look really silly..... all it would take is one sentence.... "as of 9th june 2017... all EU citizens living and working in the UK will automatically become UK citizens......" and that takes that subject off the table.... and it would also take the ECJ topic of the table as there would be no EU citizens to preside over.... also it then takes the ireland "dual nationality" issue off the table... and it makes the EU look really petty if they dont reciprocate... | |||
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" It was reported that at this infamous dinner last week, Theresa May indicated to Juncker that she wanted this issue settled in June. Juncker apparently looked skyward and said words to the effect that "it would take many years" I'm not sure if this is when he pulled out the 6kg of paper out of his briefcase! seee..... there is a solution to this may could have played.... and i hope it ends up in one of the other parties manifesto's because you could make the tories look really silly..... all it would take is one sentence.... "as of 9th june 2017... all EU citizens living and working in the UK will automatically become UK citizens......" and that takes that subject off the table.... and it would also take the ECJ topic of the table as there would be no EU citizens to preside over.... also it then takes the ireland "dual nationality" issue off the table... and it makes the EU look really petty if they dont reciprocate... " What?! You mean Piotr the Plumber will be able to stay here FOREVER?! *sucks through teeth* But what if he cuts into the double billing installing fires and electricity meters racket? The People won't like it. -Matt | |||
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" It was reported that at this infamous dinner last week, Theresa May indicated to Juncker that she wanted this issue settled in June. Juncker apparently looked skyward and said words to the effect that "it would take many years" I'm not sure if this is when he pulled out the 6kg of paper out of his briefcase! seee..... there is a solution to this may could have played.... and i hope it ends up in one of the other parties manifesto's because you could make the tories look really silly..... all it would take is one sentence.... "as of 9th june 2017... all EU citizens living and working in the UK will automatically become UK citizens......" and that takes that subject off the table.... and it would also take the ECJ topic of the table as there would be no EU citizens to preside over.... also it then takes the ireland "dual nationality" issue off the table... and it makes the EU look really petty if they dont reciprocate... " and what if they don't reciprocate what if they demand All UK citizens in EU return to the UK then what? | |||
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" It was reported that at this infamous dinner last week, Theresa May indicated to Juncker that she wanted this issue settled in June. Juncker apparently looked skyward and said words to the effect that "it would take many years" I'm not sure if this is when he pulled out the 6kg of paper out of his briefcase! seee..... there is a solution to this may could have played.... and i hope it ends up in one of the other parties manifesto's because you could make the tories look really silly..... all it would take is one sentence.... "as of 9th june 2017... all EU citizens living and working in the UK will automatically become UK citizens......" and that takes that subject off the table.... and it would also take the ECJ topic of the table as there would be no EU citizens to preside over.... also it then takes the ireland "dual nationality" issue off the table... and it makes the EU look really petty if they dont reciprocate... and what if they don't reciprocate what if they demand All UK citizens in EU return to the UK then what?" you really.... really think they would do that bearing in mind they have side the treatment of their citizens, ireland, and the financial obligations are the first 3 things that need to be sorted before any trade deals....? why would it be in there interest not to...... after all, that takes 2 of the 3 things of the tables.... and speeds up getting to the really contenious stuff??? do you really think people should be pawns? i don't... and as gestures of goodwill that would go a long way.... taking the futures of 2 million people off the table will go a long way... do you know any of the potential 2 million? maybe you should speak to them as see what its like having their lives up in the air...... | |||
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" It was reported that at this infamous dinner last week, Theresa May indicated to Juncker that she wanted this issue settled in June. Juncker apparently looked skyward and said words to the effect that "it would take many years" I'm not sure if this is when he pulled out the 6kg of paper out of his briefcase! seee..... there is a solution to this may could have played.... and i hope it ends up in one of the other parties manifesto's because you could make the tories look really silly..... all it would take is one sentence.... "as of 9th june 2017... all EU citizens living and working in the UK will automatically become UK citizens......" and that takes that subject off the table.... and it would also take the ECJ topic of the table as there would be no EU citizens to preside over.... also it then takes the ireland "dual nationality" issue off the table... and it makes the EU look really petty if they dont reciprocate... and what if they don't reciprocate what if they demand All UK citizens in EU return to the UK then what? you really.... really think they would do that bearing in mind they have side the treatment of their citizens, ireland, and the financial obligations are the first 3 things that need to be sorted before any trade deals....? why would it be in there interest not to...... after all, that takes 2 of the 3 things of the tables.... and speeds up getting to the really contenious stuff??? do you really think people should be pawns? i don't... and as gestures of goodwill that would go a long way.... taking the futures of 2 million people off the table will go a long way... do you know any of the potential 2 million? maybe you should speak to them as see what its like having their lives up in the air...... " It's not a case of whether they would do it, it's a case of they could. Why are EU citizens rights more important than the UK's? Why didn't the EU sit down the day after A50 was triggered and sort this out already? And I've spoken to people on both sides. Why not mention the possible million as well? | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
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It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
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Your thinking is complete bollocks.
Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU?
I didn't say that.
I hope the UK gets a free trade deal. I really do. But I don't think the UK is prepared to accepts the terms that the EU are offering. And I don't think it is in the best interests of the EU to accept the 'we want our cake and eat it' offer the UK is trying for. So on that basis your statement, "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks. The EU have by far the upper hand in these negotiations as the UK has the most to lose by not reaching a deal in the time we have. The UK don't have the aptitude or attitude to get the negotiations correct, and so alas I fear we won't get a deal sorted by the time we leave the EU.
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Again you are deluded. The UK has the upper hand. Half the EU is in crisis
How do you figure half the EU is in crisis? And regardless of that, I still don't understand your reasoning for why you think the best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants.
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Perhaps crisis is the wrong word, I just hear it used a lot when I'm in Spain. But half the EU or Eurozone at least is struggling and it is in those countries interests that the UK economy is not damaged at all, the UK is the EU's single biggest customer and they just cannot afford it. EU countries are already facing a £10billion shortfall in the EU budget with half the countries saying they are not willing to pay any more and the other half saying they are not willing to accept any less, so what do they do? One things for sure, they won't take an unnecessary hit to their economies. Take no notice of d*unker Juncker and the rest of the posturing pretend politicians, listen to someone like Cecilia Malstrom, the EU commissioner for trade who says that the EU will strike a free trade deal with the UK 'for sure' and when asked again whether she was certain said 'of course'. What more do we want?
I think you should go negotiate for us. If only for the entertainment value.
So the EU economies are doing well?
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" It was reported that at this infamous dinner last week, Theresa May indicated to Juncker that she wanted this issue settled in June. Juncker apparently looked skyward and said words to the effect that "it would take many years" I'm not sure if this is when he pulled out the 6kg of paper out of his briefcase! seee..... there is a solution to this may could have played.... and i hope it ends up in one of the other parties manifesto's because you could make the tories look really silly..... all it would take is one sentence.... "as of 9th june 2017... all EU citizens living and working in the UK will automatically become UK citizens......" and that takes that subject off the table.... and it would also take the ECJ topic of the table as there would be no EU citizens to preside over.... also it then takes the ireland "dual nationality" issue off the table... and it makes the EU look really petty if they dont reciprocate... and what if they don't reciprocate what if they demand All UK citizens in EU return to the UK then what? you really.... really think they would do that bearing in mind they have side the treatment of their citizens, ireland, and the financial obligations are the first 3 things that need to be sorted before any trade deals....? why would it be in there interest not to...... after all, that takes 2 of the 3 things of the tables.... and speeds up getting to the really contenious stuff??? do you really think people should be pawns? i don't... and as gestures of goodwill that would go a long way.... taking the futures of 2 million people off the table will go a long way... do you know any of the potential 2 million? maybe you should speak to them as see what its like having their lives up in the air...... It's not a case of whether they would do it, it's a case of they could. Why are EU citizens rights more important than the UK's? Why didn't the EU sit down the day after A50 was triggered and sort this out already? And I've spoken to people on both sides. Why not mention the possible million as well?" Because the eu is smart and they don't believe the bullshit you believe as in they need the UK more if no deal is struck the eu will still have all its trade deals while the UK will be left with almost non ..so time is on the EUs side plus any eu country could veto that deal even the likes of Poland and Greece so it's in the UKs interest to keep these people happy | |||
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"Strong and stable leadership but wont face the public. She hides away from the public and its invite only to her wee speeches Take the visit to Aberdeen for example it was not really Aberdeen it was 13 miles away in a wee village in a samll place which the Tories booked under a child's party. Also she went in and out through side doors and when she went to knock on doors no one answered. Seems Scotland is already sending the Tories a message to fuck off. Then how embarrassing it was to see Ruth Davidson and Theresa May do their own wee interview just to stop the media from asking questions. Some strong and stable leadership from a woman thats shite feart to face the public and comes out with pish slogans and people buy into it lmao " Apparently the hall had little to no reception so they couldn't tweet/email/broadcast live. A captive audience. On her terms. This is why I find it so disturbing. With the other political parties, it's a 'all hands on deck, let's do it together, if we crash and burn over an issue, we'll be in it together' attitude. With her specifically its a case of 'I'll do it by myself' attitude. May appears to style herself on Margaret Thatcher (she even copied her style of talking on PMQs). Even Thatcher knew that she needed a team to drive through her policies, and she did listen to their advice. It would seem that May is ignoring her team...at her peril. She looking more and more like a mini dictator. Well, we'll be listening to the 'spotlight on Theresa' show for about 6 weeks or so, according to the will of Lynton Crosby. I don't know why they have kept that man on after the Goldsmith London mayor fiasco. He's still there...in the shadows...sigh. It just reminds me of the general election where Kinnock was leader, running around looking all presidential. Look what happened to him... | |||
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"The PM is now (quite cleverly) stirring up even more anti-EU feeling. Saying they are all against us and trying to influence the upcoming election. Obviously the Torys are the only ones that can save us against the evil Europeans... I hope this sort of thing is not going to back fire on us mightily! But I suspect it will." i did notice the "its all their fault i am not getting my own way" remarks.... that bodes well for any future talks!!!!
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" It was reported that at this infamous dinner last week, Theresa May indicated to Juncker that she wanted this issue settled in June. Juncker apparently looked skyward and said words to the effect that "it would take many years" I'm not sure if this is when he pulled out the 6kg of paper out of his briefcase! seee..... there is a solution to this may could have played.... and i hope it ends up in one of the other parties manifesto's because you could make the tories look really silly..... all it would take is one sentence.... "as of 9th june 2017... all EU citizens living and working in the UK will automatically become UK citizens......" and that takes that subject off the table.... and it would also take the ECJ topic of the table as there would be no EU citizens to preside over.... also it then takes the ireland "dual nationality" issue off the table... and it makes the EU look really petty if they dont reciprocate... and what if they don't reciprocate what if they demand All UK citizens in EU return to the UK then what? you really.... really think they would do that bearing in mind they have side the treatment of their citizens, ireland, and the financial obligations are the first 3 things that need to be sorted before any trade deals....? why would it be in there interest not to...... after all, that takes 2 of the 3 things of the tables.... and speeds up getting to the really contenious stuff??? do you really think people should be pawns? i don't... and as gestures of goodwill that would go a long way.... taking the futures of 2 million people off the table will go a long way... do you know any of the potential 2 million? maybe you should speak to them as see what its like having their lives up in the air...... It's not a case of whether they would do it, it's a case of they could. Why are EU citizens rights more important than the UK's? Why didn't the EU sit down the day after A50 was triggered and sort this out already? And I've spoken to people on both sides. Why not mention the possible million as well?" EU citizens are not more important than UK citizens, they should be treated equally, and this is why Teresa May tried to sort this issue out months ago before article 50 was triggered. Teresa May tried to do a deal with the EU on the rights of EU citizens provided it was a fully reciprocal deal for UK citizens living and working In the EU. The EU refused, so it's clear from that it is the EU who are using their citizens as bargaining chips. The UK can only do a deal on this if it is agreed to be a fully reciprocal deal. | |||
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"The PM is now (quite cleverly) stirring up even more anti-EU feeling. Saying they are all against us and trying to influence the upcoming election. Obviously the Torys are the only ones that can save us against the evil Europeans... I hope this sort of thing is not going to back fire on us mightily! But I suspect it will." It was a great speech by Teresa May in front of Downing Street earlier today. It's about time one of our Prime Ministers stood up to the Euroloons in Brussels. After Jean Claude Juncker leaked details of a private meeting with Teresa May a few days ago he fully deserved to get it in the neck from Teresa May and I was glad to see her stamp on him (and the EU) during the speech. | |||
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" It was reported that at this infamous dinner last week, Theresa May indicated to Juncker that she wanted this issue settled in June. Juncker apparently looked skyward and said words to the effect that "it would take many years" I'm not sure if this is when he pulled out the 6kg of paper out of his briefcase! seee..... there is a solution to this may could have played.... and i hope it ends up in one of the other parties manifesto's because you could make the tories look really silly..... all it would take is one sentence.... "as of 9th june 2017... all EU citizens living and working in the UK will automatically become UK citizens......" and that takes that subject off the table.... and it would also take the ECJ topic of the table as there would be no EU citizens to preside over.... also it then takes the ireland "dual nationality" issue off the table... and it makes the EU look really petty if they dont reciprocate... and what if they don't reciprocate what if they demand All UK citizens in EU return to the UK then what? you really.... really think they would do that bearing in mind they have side the treatment of their citizens, ireland, and the financial obligations are the first 3 things that need to be sorted before any trade deals....? why would it be in there interest not to...... after all, that takes 2 of the 3 things of the tables.... and speeds up getting to the really contenious stuff??? do you really think people should be pawns? i don't... and as gestures of goodwill that would go a long way.... taking the futures of 2 million people off the table will go a long way... do you know any of the potential 2 million? maybe you should speak to them as see what its like having their lives up in the air...... It's not a case of whether they would do it, it's a case of they could. Why are EU citizens rights more important than the UK's? Why didn't the EU sit down the day after A50 was triggered and sort this out already? And I've spoken to people on both sides. Why not mention the possible million as well? EU citizens are not more important than UK citizens, they should be treated equally, and this is why Teresa May tried to sort this issue out months ago before article 50 was triggered. Teresa May tried to do a deal with the EU on the rights of EU citizens provided it was a fully reciprocal deal for UK citizens living and working In the EU. The EU refused, so it's clear from that it is the EU who are using their citizens as bargaining chips. The UK can only do a deal on this if it is agreed to be a fully reciprocal deal. " Absolutely right.
The EU want Britain to give their citizens full rights without any reciprocal agreement so they can turn round and fuck Britain later.
No reciprocal deal should mean no deal. Full stop.
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"The PM is now (quite cleverly) stirring up even more anti-EU feeling. Saying they are all against us and trying to influence the upcoming election. Obviously the Torys are the only ones that can save us against the evil Europeans... I hope this sort of thing is not going to back fire on us mightily! But I suspect it will. i did notice the "its all their fault i am not getting my own way" remarks.... that bodes well for any future talks!!!!
she is going to scare people into believing the hardline no deal option is the only option....
"Did we watch the same speech??? I didn't hear that at all. I did hear her say the EU was misrepresenting the negotiations and that seems to be a very accurate analysis. You have leaks from Juncker and his team saying things are going badly while publically he says the meeting with Teresa May went well. It can't be both can it so one way or the other Juncker and the EU are misrepresenting what is happening within private meetings. Also on the no deal option, speaking personally as someone who voted Leave and supports Brexit I'd be happy with no deal, complete clean break with the EU is what could possibly be needed. No Deal is better than a bad deal and Nigel Farage has been saying for years if we were to leave the EU no deal would be better than the current rotten deal we have now. | |||
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" Because now we are Europe's largest export market and as Merkel invited over 1,000,000 unskilled potential terrorists who all demand housing and jobs, they need us more than we need them. i was waiting on the "they need us more" statement..... thanks for not disappointing... oh... and the other part of your statement.... extremely distasteful.... lf you find the notion of supply and demand to be shameful then that's on you. When you bring in 1,000,000 more of anything - in this case labour- it devalues the commodity. We've seen it with the steel and ferrous alloy markets. You don't live in reality though, and would rather deny it because it conflicts with your ideology. you have misread this whole thing a million unskilled people is just naive some will have skill ..and if you have manufacturing based economy like Germany what you need to make even more money is cheap labour...they will grow Germany economy even more .." And you have failed to take standard deviation into account and are focusing on the bottom line number and forgetting that it makes that gap between rich and poor more massive and essentially decimates the middle class.. Mass immigration only benefits that upper class employers. Look at the literacy rates : 1 in 6 Syrians can't even read or write and 1 in 5 Syrian women can't, is this a benefit??? So on average (assuming that the bleeding heart liberals were telling the truth and that all of that 1,000,000 + that arrived were Syrian refugees).....this means that almost 200,000+ of the people she took in - from barbaric cultures with disgusting views on women, Jews and the West...can't read or right, terrorism on the rise. etc. l'm to swallow the notion that this is actually ''cultural enrichment'' for fear of being called racist?? Pull the other one. | |||
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"Just seen on the news tonight some of the rallying that Theresa May has been doing. Seeing the banners where she was (Burnley?) that just said "Theresa May. Strong and Stable Leadership". There wasn't even any mention on there of the Conservative party. It was very 'presidential', seems that they are doubling down on the 'strong and stable leadership' meme and focussing on May herself (I guess to contrast public view of Corbyn as weak leader). Hate to say it, but it looks like a damn clever tactic and might take them quite far. -Matt" Well yes.. Plus, as a bonus she's calling the election now because there's a lot of nasty tory shit heading down the pipeline that hasn't hit us yet | |||
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"Just seen on the news tonight some of the rallying that Theresa May has been doing. Seeing the banners where she was (Burnley?) that just said "Theresa May. Strong and Stable Leadership". There wasn't even any mention on there of the Conservative party. It was very 'presidential', seems that they are doubling down on the 'strong and stable leadership' meme and focussing on May herself (I guess to contrast public view of Corbyn as weak leader). Hate to say it, but it looks like a damn clever tactic and might take them quite far. -Matt Well yes.. Plus, as a bonus she's calling the election now because there's a lot of nasty tory shit heading down the pipeline that hasn't hit us yet" Yes, she is about to have a bunch of her MPs pulled out due to election expense issues. That would mean she would lose her parliament and the Queen would then ask Corbyn to form a government instead. -Matt | |||
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"Just seen on the news tonight some of the rallying that Theresa May has been doing. Seeing the banners where she was (Burnley?) that just said "Theresa May. Strong and Stable Leadership". There wasn't even any mention on there of the Conservative party. It was very 'presidential', seems that they are doubling down on the 'strong and stable leadership' meme and focussing on May herself (I guess to contrast public view of Corbyn as weak leader). Hate to say it, but it looks like a damn clever tactic and might take them quite far. -Matt Well yes.. Plus, as a bonus she's calling the election now because there's a lot of nasty tory shit heading down the pipeline that hasn't hit us yet Yes, she is about to have a bunch of her MPs pulled out due to election expense issues. That would mean she would lose her parliament and the Queen would then ask Corbyn to form a government instead. -Matt" No actually she would have lost her majority but still held more seats than any other party so would have carried on as a minority government | |||
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" -Matt Well yes.. Plus, as a bonus she's calling the election now because there's a lot of nasty tory shit heading down the pipeline that hasn't hit us yet Yes, she is about to have a bunch of her MPs pulled out due to election expense issues. That would mean she would lose her parliament and the Queen would then ask Corbyn to form a government instead. -Matt" Which mps have been charged ? | |||
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"Judging by the German paper earlier there is probably bugger all she can do anyway. 2 years of the 3 p's lie ahead and I'm not talking pee, poo and pain, though possibly It could be LOL, No it's Pompous, pontificating, posturing by the EU officials. urghhhhh what a prospect dealing with these people with such vested interests. I wouldn't take the job for a gold pig. EU officials with vested interests?? It's their job to negotiate the best deal for the EU, not the UK! They are one and the same thing Oh cool. Sorry, I thought you wanted us to leave the EU. -Matt I do. We are. The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants Well the best deal for you is for you to give me a million quid. But I doubt you'd see it that way either
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It's not a question of seeing it one way or the other it's a question of economics and reality
Exactly, which is why "The best deal for the EU is to give the UK whatever it wants" is complete bollocks.
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Your thinking is complete bollocks.
Do you really think the UK won't get a free trade with the EU?"The UK definitely won't get a truely Free Trade deal with the EU unless the UK is prepared to accept an independent arbitrator with similar jurisdiction over trade disputes as the current court of arbitration. That's the European Court of Justice by the way. | |||
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" -Matt Well yes.. Plus, as a bonus she's calling the election now because there's a lot of nasty tory shit heading down the pipeline that hasn't hit us yet Yes, she is about to have a bunch of her MPs pulled out due to election expense issues. That would mean she would lose her parliament and the Queen would then ask Corbyn to form a government instead. -Matt Which mps have been charged ?" The answer to that would be none. The CPS has not charged anyone and all the cases have been dropped. There is still one under investigation and that is the South Thanet seat where a Tory beat the then ukip leader Nigel Farage into 2nd place. | |||
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" -Matt Well yes.. Plus, as a bonus she's calling the election now because there's a lot of nasty tory shit heading down the pipeline that hasn't hit us yet Yes, she is about to have a bunch of her MPs pulled out due to election expense issues. That would mean she would lose her parliament and the Queen would then ask Corbyn to form a government instead. -Matt Which mps have been charged ? The answer to that would be none. The CPS has not charged anyone and all the cases have been dropped. There is still one under investigation and that is the South Thanet seat where a Tory beat the then ukip leader Nigel Farage into 2nd place. " Yes I looked it up but I wondered if Matt was going to say something it seems that some of the doom merchants "know" a lot of things will happen but very few appear to actually happen | |||
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