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"She is only Prime minister because she plays a very clever political game . Hiding away as the blood letting was going on She is also a "Remainer" yet is leading the cries of Brexit means Brexit. As home secretary she allowed mass immigration as she cut the customs guards numbers. She will raise taxes she has to after the election, she has no choice realistically. Oh the only leader who did vote to leave the EU was Corbyn.....So come on you know who to vote for now xx" He voted remain... | |||
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" Oh the only leader who did vote to leave the EU was Corbyn.....So come on you know who to vote for now xx" Corbyn says otherwise so I really don't know where you got that nugget of "fact" | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has opposed membership of the EU ever since he became an MP...What he did in the privacy of the voting booth only he truly knows...But if he changed his mind on the matter it truly was a complete u turn of epic proportions." Actually his stance is one of the few sensible things he says. His is critical of the EU but wanted to reform it from within. Nothing wrong with that. Only a dillusional person would say it didn't need reform. | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has opposed membership of the EU ever since he became an MP...What he did in the privacy of the voting booth only he truly knows...But if he changed his mind on the matter it truly was a complete u turn of epic proportions. Actually his stance is one of the few sensible things he says. His is critical of the EU but wanted to reform it from within. Nothing wrong with that. Only a dillusional person would say it didn't need reform. " You're absolutely right. Here's some Carbon nuggets of his (constructively critical) support for membership of the EU from before he became Labour leader - He voted in favour of leaving the European Economic Community in 1975. - He voted against the Maastricht Treaty that created the EU. Here's what he had to say about it - "It takes us in the opposite direction of an unelected legislative body-the Commission-and, in the case of foreign policy, a policy Commission that will be, in effect, imposing foreign policy on nation states that have fought for their own democratic accountability." - He voted against the Lisbon Treaty which is the current constitutional basis for the EU. - Writing about the Greek crisis Corbyn said - "There is no future for a Europe that turns its smaller nations into colonies of debt peonage." In an LBC interview, Corbyn implied that the EU was treating Greece "brutally." - "If Europe becomes a totally brutal organisation that treats every one of its member states in the way that the people of Greece have been treated at the moment, then I think Europe will lose a lot of support from a lot of people." - In an article on his website, Corbyn wrote that the EU was responsible for the gross abuse of human rights in Western Sahara. However, the article was deleted. - In another deleted article on his website, Corbyn wrote this - "The project has always been to create a huge free-market Europe, with ever-limiting powers for national parliaments and an increasingly powerful common foreign and security policy." A spokesman for Corbyn said the articles were deleted because they are "converting it [the website] to reflect his work as leader and afterwards." | |||
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"Don't go off topic onto Corbyn. May's interviews today were poor and deserve focus. "Strong and stable leadership" is all she has to say for herself. Weak on all her answers." The OP started off by talking about May, and then started discussing Corbyn. | |||
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"Don't go off topic onto Corbyn. May's interviews today were poor and deserve focus. "Strong and stable leadership" is all she has to say for herself. Weak on all her answers. The OP started off by talking about May, and then started discussing Corbyn. " There's a relevance anyway, today she was basically saying "this election is so bloody easy to win i can't even be arsed to write a manifesto or promise the voters anything". Corbyn is the man charged with: A) putting enough pressure on her so she isn't that cocky B) beating her if she continues to be that cocky Anyone who thinks he can do the latter should see my thread on betting odds... | |||
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"She is only Prime minister because she plays a very clever political game . Hiding away as the blood letting was going on She is also a "Remainer" yet is leading the cries of Brexit means Brexit. As home secretary she allowed mass immigration as she cut the customs guards numbers. She will raise taxes she has to after the election, she has no choice realistically. Oh the only leader who did vote to leave the EU was Corbyn.....So come on you know who to vote for now xx He voted remain... " Was he able to draw his own cross in the box...? | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has opposed membership of the EU ever since he became an MP...What he did in the privacy of the voting booth only he truly knows...But if he changed his mind on the matter it truly was a complete u turn of epic proportions."  | |||
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"Don't go off topic onto Corbyn. May's interviews today were poor and deserve focus. " this, but it is a easy diversionary tactic to what she said today...... or actually what she refused to commit to today.... all she said today was no rise on income tax.... didn't say anything abut ni... or vat... or other tax increases... also refused to commit to the "triple lock"... but said pensions would rise.... see... the funny thing is if they committed to a double lock (just taking out the 2.5% element of the triple) they could absolutely explain the rationale and it wouldn't be an issue..... | |||
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"Don't go off topic onto Corbyn. May's interviews today were poor and deserve focus. this, but it is a easy diversionary tactic to what she said today...... or actually what she refused to commit to today.... all she said today was no rise on income tax.... didn't say anything abut ni... or vat... or other tax increases... also refused to commit to the "triple lock"... but said pensions would rise.... see... the funny thing is if they committed to a double lock (just taking out the 2.5% element of the triple) they could absolutely explain the rationale and it wouldn't be an issue....." I thought she said no rise in VAT but nothing about the others? She can fuck right off on income tax anyway, yeah they haven't changed the rate of it but they've moved the bands so you start paying the higher rates earlier. They still haven't paid off any of the national debt either  | |||
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"Don't go off topic onto Corbyn. May's interviews today were poor and deserve focus. this, but it is a easy diversionary tactic to what she said today...... or actually what she refused to commit to today.... all she said today was no rise on income tax.... didn't say anything abut ni... or vat... or other tax increases... also refused to commit to the "triple lock"... but said pensions would rise.... see... the funny thing is if they committed to a double lock (just taking out the 2.5% element of the triple) they could absolutely explain the rationale and it wouldn't be an issue..... I thought she said no rise in VAT but nothing about the others? She can fuck right off on income tax anyway, yeah they haven't changed the rate of it but they've moved the bands so you start paying the higher rates earlier. They still haven't paid off any of the national debt either "I do stand corrected... she did say no rise in vat.. but none of the others I think she knows what a gap she may have to fill and doesn't want to hem her chancellor in | |||
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"Out of interest, is anyone beginning to get the feeling that May's cockiness might lead to her not getting the landslide victory the polls suggest. Not saying she wont win, but does anyone think her attitude might lead to voters not supporting her?" Check my odds thread! Yes there's a growing possibility of hung parliment in my humble opinion or even threat from an SNP, Lib dem, Labour coalition | |||
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"Out of interest, is anyone beginning to get the feeling that May's cockiness might lead to her not getting the landslide victory the polls suggest. Not saying she wont win, but does anyone think her attitude might lead to voters not supporting her? Check my odds thread! Yes there's a growing possibility of hung parliment in my humble opinion or even threat from an SNP, Lib dem, Labour coalition" Just saw it, completely misread it as you believing may would dominate. But i am knackered so im not switched on  | |||
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"Out of interest, is anyone beginning to get the feeling that May's cockiness might lead to her not getting the landslide victory the polls suggest. Not saying she wont win, but does anyone think her attitude might lead to voters not supporting her? Check my odds thread! Yes there's a growing possibility of hung parliment in my humble opinion or even threat from an SNP, Lib dem, Labour coalition Just saw it, completely misread it as you believing may would dominate. But i am knackered so im not switched on "No, my personal opinion is that she's making a mistake. Put it this way, Corbyn isn't going to win any new followers...ever and he probably won't lose any either. You either like him or you don't. If he's as unpopular as the consensus suggests then better he loses in 2020 than 2017 since your party gets 3 more years in power (8 vrs 5). She already has a fecking majority, sorry if she can't discipline her own party but the risks and costs outweigh the benefits whatever the result since the next labour leader will probably be much better than Corbyn... | |||
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"She is only Prime minister because she plays a very clever political game . Hiding away as the blood letting was going on She is also a "Remainer" yet is leading the cries of Brexit means Brexit. As home secretary she allowed mass immigration as she cut the customs guards numbers. She will raise taxes she has to after the election, she has no choice realistically. Oh the only leader who did vote to leave the EU was Corbyn.....So come on you know who to vote for now xx" Farage? | |||
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"Out of interest, is anyone beginning to get the feeling that May's cockiness might lead to her not getting the landslide victory the polls suggest. Not saying she wont win, but does anyone think her attitude might lead to voters not supporting her? Check my odds thread! Yes there's a growing possibility of hung parliment in my humble opinion or even threat from an SNP, Lib dem, Labour coalition" That really would be a coalition of chaos. Limp dims trying to reverse the referendum vote. SNP insisting on independence and Corbyn not having a clue which way to go....dumping trident but the unions won't let him ... remain or leave?(Don't even think he knows which way to go on that) let's spend the corporation tax 12 times on different things....what a feckin shambles that would be! No Tory lover here but until we have a defined and coherent/literate opposition then what is the alternative? | |||
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"Out of interest, is anyone beginning to get the feeling that May's cockiness might lead to her not getting the landslide victory the polls suggest. Not saying she wont win, but does anyone think her attitude might lead to voters not supporting her?" Someone (might have been Adam Hills, can't remember) said something like because of this risk we are potentially going to have the Tories saying how well Labour is doing and Labour saying how well Tories are doing. Just so their electorate don't think it is all forgegone and don't vote. -Matt | |||
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"Out of interest, is anyone beginning to get the feeling that May's cockiness might lead to her not getting the landslide victory the polls suggest. Not saying she wont win, but does anyone think her attitude might lead to voters not supporting her? Check my odds thread! Yes there's a growing possibility of hung parliment in my humble opinion or even threat from an SNP, Lib dem, Labour coalition That really would be a coalition of chaos. Limp dims trying to reverse the referendum vote. SNP insisting on independence and Corbyn not having a clue which way to go....dumping trident but the unions won't let him ... remain or leave?(Don't even think he knows which way to go on that) let's spend the corporation tax 12 times on different things....what a feckin shambles that would be! No Tory lover here but until we have a defined and coherent/literate opposition then what is the alternative?" I'd settle for pretty much anything other than the next 2 years looking like the past 9 months. Worthless currency, no clear vision of any future just being told to put everything on hold for 2 years. | |||
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"Out of interest, is anyone beginning to get the feeling that May's cockiness might lead to her not getting the landslide victory the polls suggest. Not saying she wont win, but does anyone think her attitude might lead to voters not supporting her?" I'm just not getting that feeling. To be honest, with Jeremy Corbyn as your main opposition. It's going to be almost impossible, Not to be cocky. . I'm fact,I'm thinking, The labour party are so weak, Theresa May could eat a living cat, on live TV, and still win by a landslide.   | |||
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"Don't go off topic onto Corbyn. May's interviews today were poor and deserve focus. this, but it is a easy diversionary tactic to what she said today...... or actually what she refused to commit to today.... all she said today was no rise on income tax.... didn't say anything abut ni... or vat... or other tax increases... also refused to commit to the "triple lock"... but said pensions would rise.... see... the funny thing is if they committed to a double lock (just taking out the 2.5% element of the triple) they could absolutely explain the rationale and it wouldn't be an issue....." Saw interviews with Corbyn and Thornberry yesterday, both specifically asked about income tax, VAT and National Insurance. Both wouldn't answer other than to say 'wait until the manifesto comes out'. Actually said that on one or two other things. | |||
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