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"Probably the same thing it has always done for Turkeys prospective membership of the EU. Fuck all. They are so far off the criteria for membership that it doesn't make any difference. Also, as an aside, what has it got to do with Islam? I mean if I wrote 'UK implements most draconian internet surveillance laws in the Christian world' would that seem odd to you? I mean it is likely factually correct, but what would Christianity have to do with it? -Matt" l'd ask you in what way we are now a Christian country? We are secular. lt is an Islamic problem because there isn't a single Muslim nation that now has any semblance of freedom of speech. | |||
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"Ok, fair enough about the UK being secular. But still not sure what Islam has to do with this. Don't get me wrong, blocking websites is not a good thing. But Erdogan has been imprisoning journalists for years now. Freedom of Speech in Turkey has been under attack for a long time. This is nothing new and I think would have very little additional effect of Turkey and the EU. -Matt" Well Islam is the common denominator that all these hellholes have in common. | |||
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"Ok, fair enough about the UK being secular. But still not sure what Islam has to do with this. Don't get me wrong, blocking websites is not a good thing. But Erdogan has been imprisoning journalists for years now. Freedom of Speech in Turkey has been under attack for a long time. This is nothing new and I think would have very little additional effect of Turkey and the EU. -Matt Well Islam is the common denominator that all these hellholes have in common." Wheres the evidence as a certain person would argue and quite rightly I might add? Because north korea, russia, china, have supression of freedom of speech also, they would not be considered muslim? In actual fact they might be considered atheist for all intents and purposes. Are you going to start on them also? | |||
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"You will find power hungry leaders from all religions as well as power hungry leaders who have no religion. " Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |||
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"Expect more of the same as Erdogan cements his place as Emperor for life in his £1billion palace. What has amazed me is the news that that other beacon of islamic human rights namely Saudi Arabia has just become a member of the United Nations Women’s Rights Commission!? A staggering high in hypocrisy achieved with the support of Britain's islamo-grovelling Ambassador Matthew Rycroft! " If you actually knew the reality. I will give you a simple example. The Donald did not realise it was not easy being president, and was very complex. | |||
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"Ok, fair enough about the UK being secular. But still not sure what Islam has to do with this. Don't get me wrong, blocking websites is not a good thing. But Erdogan has been imprisoning journalists for years now. Freedom of Speech in Turkey has been under attack for a long time. This is nothing new and I think would have very little additional effect of Turkey and the EU. -Matt Well Islam is the common denominator that all these hellholes have in common. Wheres the evidence as a certain person would argue and quite rightly I might add? Because north korea, russia, china, have supression of freedom of speech also, they would not be considered muslim? In actual fact they might be considered atheist for all intents and purposes. Are you going to start on them also?" . North Korea is the most religious country in the world, the only difference being they worship their leader and give total credulity and servitude to a human instead of a sky God. On that front there at least ahead of the rest of us  | |||
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"Ok, fair enough about the UK being secular. But still not sure what Islam has to do with this. Don't get me wrong, blocking websites is not a good thing. But Erdogan has been imprisoning journalists for years now. Freedom of Speech in Turkey has been under attack for a long time. This is nothing new and I think would have very little additional effect of Turkey and the EU. -Matt Well Islam is the common denominator that all these hellholes have in common. Wheres the evidence as a certain person would argue and quite rightly I might add? Because north korea, russia, china, have supression of freedom of speech also, they would not be considered muslim? In actual fact they might be considered atheist for all intents and purposes. Are you going to start on them also?. North Korea is the most religious country in the world, the only difference being they worship their leader and give total credulity and servitude to a human instead of a sky God. On that front there at least ahead of the rest of us "Actually its called a dynastic dictatorship, but thanks for playing! | |||
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"Ok, fair enough about the UK being secular. But still not sure what Islam has to do with this. Don't get me wrong, blocking websites is not a good thing. But Erdogan has been imprisoning journalists for years now. Freedom of Speech in Turkey has been under attack for a long time. This is nothing new and I think would have very little additional effect of Turkey and the EU. -Matt Well Islam is the common denominator that all these hellholes have in common. Wheres the evidence as a certain person would argue and quite rightly I might add? Because north korea, russia, china, have supression of freedom of speech also, they would not be considered muslim? In actual fact they might be considered atheist for all intents and purposes. Are you going to start on them also?. North Korea is the most religious country in the world, the only difference being they worship their leader and give total credulity and servitude to a human instead of a sky God. On that front there at least ahead of the rest of us
Actually its called a dynastic dictatorship, but thanks for playing!". The leader is good the leader is great,we surrender our will as of this date! | |||
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe." . Yeah, I bet they would love Rhodes back now hey  | |||
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe.. Yeah, I bet they would love Rhodes back now hey "The Greek island? | |||
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe.. Yeah, I bet they would love Rhodes back now hey
The Greek island? "I think he meant "Rhodesia" but education being such.... | |||
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe.. Yeah, I bet they would love Rhodes back now hey
The Greek island? ". No Cecil .
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe.. Yeah, I bet they would love Rhodes back now hey
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe.. Yeah, I bet they would love Rhodes back now hey
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe.. Yeah, I bet they would love Rhodes back now hey
The Greek island? ". Wrong university hey?. | |||
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe.. Yeah, I bet they would love Rhodes back now hey
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I think he meant "Rhodesia" but education being such...."Or perhaps he thought Rhodes was a Zimbabwean colony? | |||
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe.. Yeah, I bet they would love Rhodes back now hey
The Greek island? .
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"I know exactly who you mean and why you said it. The ignorance of history on this thread is astounding. Cecil Rhodes did great things 140 years ago for what is now the shithole called Zimbabwe. | |||
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe." Is that the best you have? How long has Zimbabwe been Christian? Besides, ALL of Africa is a Hellhole. Is there a single Islamic nation as free as the West? | |||
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe. Is that the best you have? How long has Zimbabwe been Christian? Besides, ALL of Africa is a Hellhole. Is there a single Islamic nation as free as the West?" Any other hell holes or continents you you think are shit. | |||
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe. Is that the best you have? How long has Zimbabwe been Christian? Besides, ALL of Africa is a Hellhole. Is there a single Islamic nation as free as the West? Any other hell holes or continents you you think are shit. "Antarctica is full of dickheads | |||
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"Ok, fair enough about the UK being secular. But still not sure what Islam has to do with this. Don't get me wrong, blocking websites is not a good thing. But Erdogan has been imprisoning journalists for years now. Freedom of Speech in Turkey has been under attack for a long time. This is nothing new and I think would have very little additional effect of Turkey and the EU. -Matt Well Islam is the common denominator that all these hellholes have in common. Wheres the evidence as a certain person would argue and quite rightly I might add? Because north korea, russia, china, have supression of freedom of speech also, they would not be considered muslim? In actual fact they might be considered atheist for all intents and purposes. Are you going to start on them also?" Russia is most definitely orthodox | |||
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe. Is that the best you have? How long has Zimbabwe been Christian? Besides, ALL of Africa is a Hellhole. Is there a single Islamic nation as free as the West?" In a word No!... | |||
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe.. Yeah, I bet they would love Rhodes back now hey
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I know exactly who you mean and why you said it. The ignorance of history on this thread is astounding. Cecil Rhodes did great things 140 years ago for what is now the shithole called Zimbabwe.". The great White God, they loved him!. | |||
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"Islam was conceived in the 6th century by an illiterate mediaeval equivalent of a used car salesman as a conquest cult used to bestow a divine conceit upon ostracized and outcast Arab nomads to pillage, destroy and degrade the world for the benefit of a small malevolent elite of hypocritical parasites. It's a cult , one that has turned any nation it has taken root in to an over flowing sewer of corruption, cruelty. The history of it is an orgy of blood and suffering... "  ...and currently being imported into Europe on an epic and very profitable (for the human traffickers) scale by the followers of the equally destructive religion of political correctness. | |||
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"Bob... Would you now like to publicly admit that I was right when I said (in the 'Only the death of Erdogan can save Turkey from becoming a fascist islamic dictatorship') that Turkey was about to become a very unwelcoming place for non Muslims? " I hope not im going on holiday there.. | |||
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"Bob... Would you now like to publicly admit that I was right when I said (in the 'Only the death of Erdogan can save Turkey from becoming a fascist islamic dictatorship') that Turkey was about to become a very unwelcoming place for non Muslims? I hope not im going on holiday there.. "Me too, I will report back how I got on. | |||
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"Probably the same thing it has always done for Turkeys prospective membership of the EU. Fuck all. They are so far off the criteria for membership that it doesn't make any difference. Also, as an aside, what has it got to do with Islam? I mean if I wrote 'UK implements most draconian internet surveillance laws in the Christian world' would that seem odd to you? I mean it is likely factually correct, but what would Christianity have to do with it? -Matt l'd ask you in what way we are now a Christian country? We are secular. " Actually we are not secular ..yes its leaning more to secular than ever but we are a kingdom still and at the head of that sits the queen as head of state ..a christian state which she promises to protect  just putting that out there | |||
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"Probably the same thing it has always done for Turkeys prospective membership of the EU. Fuck all. They are so far off the criteria for membership that it doesn't make any difference. Also, as an aside, what has it got to do with Islam? I mean if I wrote 'UK implements most draconian internet surveillance laws in the Christian world' would that seem odd to you? I mean it is likely factually correct, but what would Christianity have to do with it? -Matt l'd ask you in what way we are now a Christian country? We are secular. Actually we are not secular ..yes its leaning more to secular than ever but we are a kingdom still and at the head of that sits the queen as head of state ..a christian state which she promises to protect just putting that out there "Not forgetting clergy in the house of lords. We do not have the separation of church and state in this country. | |||
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"Islam was conceived in the 6th century by an illiterate mediaeval equivalent of a used car salesman as a conquest cult used to bestow a divine conceit upon ostracized and outcast Arab nomads to pillage, destroy and degrade the world for the benefit of a small malevolent elite of hypocritical parasites. It's a cult , one that has turned any nation it has taken root in to an over flowing sewer of corruption, cruelty. The history of it is an orgy of blood and suffering... ...and currently being imported into Europe on an epic and very profitable (for the human traffickers) scale by the followers of the equally destructive religion of political correctness."Most of the above could equally be applied to the Christian religion and the western empires over the last couple of thousand years.. Strange irony.. | |||
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"Islam was conceived in the 6th century by an illiterate mediaeval equivalent of a used car salesman as a conquest cult used to bestow a divine conceit upon ostracized and outcast Arab nomads to pillage, destroy and degrade the world for the benefit of a small malevolent elite of hypocritical parasites. It's a cult , one that has turned any nation it has taken root in to an over flowing sewer of corruption, cruelty. The history of it is an orgy of blood and suffering... ...and currently being imported into Europe on an epic and very profitable (for the human traffickers) scale by the followers of the equally destructive religion of political correctness.
Most of the above could equally be applied to the Christian religion and the western empires over the last couple of thousand years..
Strange irony.."No it couldn't. The Nazarene is the example of the Christians : Mohammaned the Muslims . Let's compare the two, - Mohammed have more than 8 wives, including his child bride, Aisha - who was 6 at the age of the marriage and 9 at the age of consummation. Jesus had no wife. - Mohammed waged wars. Slaughtered many people, including the Jewish Banya Quraza tribe. He murdered all the men and boys and enslaved the women and estimated 800 men had their throats slit that day..... Jesus never waged war. - The elevation of Arabic and pale Arabs over all else. You CANNOT read the Qu'ran in any other language than 6th century Qureshi Arabic, yet over 75% of Muslims are not Arab. - lslam has no guaranteed salvation, apart from dying in the name of Allah in the cause of Jihad. Christians just need to believe in Jesus. When you look at the tenants and theology of the religion, things tend to clarify like halal butter and become self evident. l'm sure stark evidence is not enough to shake you from your leftist narrative that lslam is a peaceful cult of the same ilk as Christianity and that all the ills of the world are due to crusading oil hungry blue eyed Christian men. | |||
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"Islam was conceived in the 6th century by an illiterate mediaeval equivalent of a used car salesman as a conquest cult used to bestow a divine conceit upon ostracized and outcast Arab nomads to pillage, destroy and degrade the world for the benefit of a small malevolent elite of hypocritical parasites. It's a cult , one that has turned any nation it has taken root in to an over flowing sewer of corruption, cruelty. The history of it is an orgy of blood and suffering... ...and currently being imported into Europe on an epic and very profitable (for the human traffickers) scale by the followers of the equally destructive religion of political correctness.
Most of the above could equally be applied to the Christian religion and the western empires over the last couple of thousand years..
Strange irony..
No it couldn't. The Nazarene is the example of the Christians : Mohammaned the Muslims .
Let's compare the two,
- Mohammed have more than 8 wives, including his child bride, Aisha - who was 6 at the age of the marriage and 9 at the age of consummation. Jesus had no wife.
- Mohammed waged wars. Slaughtered many people, including the Jewish Banya Quraza tribe. He murdered all the men and boys and enslaved the women and estimated 800 men had their throats slit that day..... Jesus never waged war.
- The elevation of Arabic and pale Arabs over all else. You CANNOT read the Qu'ran in any other language than 6th century Qureshi Arabic, yet over 75% of Muslims are not Arab.
- lslam has no guaranteed salvation, apart from dying in the name of Allah in the cause of Jihad. Christians just need to believe in Jesus.
When you look at the tenants and theology of the religion, things tend to clarify like halal butter and become self evident.
l'm sure stark evidence is not enough to shake you from your leftist narrative that lslam is a peaceful cult of the same ilk as Christianity and that all the ills of the world are due to crusading oil hungry blue eyed Christian men."We get it, you're Islamophobic, tell us something we don't know.  | |||
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"Islam was conceived in the 6th century by an illiterate mediaeval equivalent of a used car salesman as a conquest cult used to bestow a divine conceit upon ostracized and outcast Arab nomads to pillage, destroy and degrade the world for the benefit of a small malevolent elite of hypocritical parasites. It's a cult , one that has turned any nation it has taken root in to an over flowing sewer of corruption, cruelty. The history of it is an orgy of blood and suffering... ...and currently being imported into Europe on an epic and very profitable (for the human traffickers) scale by the followers of the equally destructive religion of political correctness.
Most of the above could equally be applied to the Christian religion and the western empires over the last couple of thousand years..
Strange irony..
No it couldn't. The Nazarene is the example of the Christians : Mohammaned the Muslims .
Let's compare the two,
- Mohammed have more than 8 wives, including his child bride, Aisha - who was 6 at the age of the marriage and 9 at the age of consummation. Jesus had no wife.
- Mohammed waged wars. Slaughtered many people, including the Jewish Banya Quraza tribe. He murdered all the men and boys and enslaved the women and estimated 800 men had their throats slit that day..... Jesus never waged war.
- The elevation of Arabic and pale Arabs over all else. You CANNOT read the Qu'ran in any other language than 6th century Qureshi Arabic, yet over 75% of Muslims are not Arab.
- lslam has no guaranteed salvation, apart from dying in the name of Allah in the cause of Jihad. Christians just need to believe in Jesus.
When you look at the tenants and theology of the religion, things tend to clarify like halal butter and become self evident.
l'm sure stark evidence is not enough to shake you from your leftist narrative that lslam is a peaceful cult of the same ilk as Christianity and that all the ills of the world are due to crusading oil hungry blue eyed Christian men."You really are deluded at times, history is littered with examples of slaughter, corruption, exploitation etc etc by minorities within most faiths since time began.. Yet you along with the other Islam hating people on here can't grasp that it is not all within that faith that are a threat.. You talk the language of division and hate not because it's of any benefit to all but because it fuels your own perverse agenda.. | |||
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"Islam was conceived in the 6th century by an illiterate mediaeval equivalent of a used car salesman as a conquest cult used to bestow a divine conceit upon ostracized and outcast Arab nomads to pillage, destroy and degrade the world for the benefit of a small malevolent elite of hypocritical parasites. It's a cult , one that has turned any nation it has taken root in to an over flowing sewer of corruption, cruelty. The history of it is an orgy of blood and suffering... ...and currently being imported into Europe on an epic and very profitable (for the human traffickers) scale by the followers of the equally destructive religion of political correctness.
Most of the above could equally be applied to the Christian religion and the western empires over the last couple of thousand years..
Strange irony..
No it couldn't. The Nazarene is the example of the Christians : Mohammaned the Muslims .
Let's compare the two,
- Mohammed have more than 8 wives, including his child bride, Aisha - who was 6 at the age of the marriage and 9 at the age of consummation. Jesus had no wife.
- Mohammed waged wars. Slaughtered many people, including the Jewish Banya Quraza tribe. He murdered all the men and boys and enslaved the women and estimated 800 men had their throats slit that day..... Jesus never waged war.
- The elevation of Arabic and pale Arabs over all else. You CANNOT read the Qu'ran in any other language than 6th century Qureshi Arabic, yet over 75% of Muslims are not Arab.
- lslam has no guaranteed salvation, apart from dying in the name of Allah in the cause of Jihad. Christians just need to believe in Jesus.
When you look at the tenants and theology of the religion, things tend to clarify like halal butter and become self evident.
l'm sure stark evidence is not enough to shake you from your leftist narrative that lslam is a peaceful cult of the same ilk as Christianity and that all the ills of the world are due to crusading oil hungry blue eyed Christian men.
You really are deluded at times, history is littered with examples of slaughter, corruption, exploitation etc etc by minorities within most faiths since time began..
Yet you along with the other Islam hating people on here can't grasp that it is not all within that faith that are a threat..
You talk the language of division and hate not because it's of any benefit to all but because it fuels your own perverse agenda..
"He speaks truth. Why indulge lies and fantasy to spare the blushes of a delusion horde of sycophants ? Christianity reformed, Islam pride's itself on interpreting the mediaeval misanthropic vague gibberish of the quran in a static way that only results in death and suffering?. Long before Europeans set foot in Africa Arabs were launching jihads there, enslaving and selling the inhabitants.. a trade that lasted for almost 1400 years and killed over 80 million just in transport alone during this time and only ended when the European anti slavery movement gained so much traction Europeans put their foot down and stamped it out. The history of Islam is one of unrelenting suffering and exploitation. The original quran itself was completely destroyed in the 7th century..no other copies existed, it was pieced back together using vague accounts of third parties.. It's corrupt mediaeval gibberish that sends any nation it takes root in on a kamikaze mission to total ruin. This is the inescapable and glaring reality. | |||
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"Ok, fair enough about the UK being secular. But still not sure what Islam has to do with this. Don't get me wrong, blocking websites is not a good thing. But Erdogan has been imprisoning journalists for years now. Freedom of Speech in Turkey has been under attack for a long time. This is nothing new and I think would have very little additional effect of Turkey and the EU. -Matt Well Islam is the common denominator that all these hellholes have in common. Wheres the evidence as a certain person would argue and quite rightly I might add? Because north korea, russia, china, have supression of freedom of speech also, they would not be considered muslim? In actual fact they might be considered atheist for all intents and purposes. Are you going to start on them also?. North Korea is the most religious country in the world, the only difference being they worship their leader and give total credulity and servitude to a human instead of a sky God. On that front there at least ahead of the rest of us "North Koreans idolize their man out of fear, no other reason. .He has absolute power over that nation. | |||
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"Islam was conceived in the 6th century by an illiterate mediaeval equivalent of a used car salesman as a conquest cult used to bestow a divine conceit upon ostracized and outcast Arab nomads to pillage, destroy and degrade the world for the benefit of a small malevolent elite of hypocritical parasites. It's a cult , one that has turned any nation it has taken root in to an over flowing sewer of corruption, cruelty. The history of it is an orgy of blood and suffering... ...and currently being imported into Europe on an epic and very profitable (for the human traffickers) scale by the followers of the equally destructive religion of political correctness.
Most of the above could equally be applied to the Christian religion and the western empires over the last couple of thousand years..
Strange irony..
No it couldn't. The Nazarene is the example of the Christians : Mohammaned the Muslims .
Let's compare the two,
- Mohammed have more than 8 wives, including his child bride, Aisha - who was 6 at the age of the marriage and 9 at the age of consummation. Jesus had no wife.
- Mohammed waged wars. Slaughtered many people, including the Jewish Banya Quraza tribe. He murdered all the men and boys and enslaved the women and estimated 800 men had their throats slit that day..... Jesus never waged war.
- The elevation of Arabic and pale Arabs over all else. You CANNOT read the Qu'ran in any other language than 6th century Qureshi Arabic, yet over 75% of Muslims are not Arab.
- lslam has no guaranteed salvation, apart from dying in the name of Allah in the cause of Jihad. Christians just need to believe in Jesus.
When you look at the tenants and theology of the religion, things tend to clarify like halal butter and become self evident.
l'm sure stark evidence is not enough to shake you from your leftist narrative that lslam is a peaceful cult of the same ilk as Christianity and that all the ills of the world are due to crusading oil hungry blue eyed Christian men.
You really are deluded at times, history is littered with examples of slaughter, corruption, exploitation etc etc by minorities within most faiths since time began..
Yet you along with the other Islam hating people on here can't grasp that it is not all within that faith that are a threat..
You talk the language of division and hate not because it's of any benefit to all but because it fuels your own perverse agenda..
"How could it be ''a minority'' when Mohammed himself MURDERED???? WTF. the Qu'ran, and especially Hadith, speak of what a ''good'' Muslim should do with people like me and my family. If we were there that day our throats would have been slit as as well. Also, there used to be more Samaritans than us. Numbering in the many millions during the Roman times....now there are less than 1000 left due to lslamic barbarism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza ''were a Jewish tribe which lived in northern Arabia, at the oasis of Yathrib (now known as Medina), until the 7th century, when their conflict with Muhammad led to their extermination.'' | |||
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"Islam was conceived in the 6th century by an illiterate mediaeval equivalent of a used car salesman as a conquest cult used to bestow a divine conceit upon ostracized and outcast Arab nomads to pillage, destroy and degrade the world for the benefit of a small malevolent elite of hypocritical parasites. It's a cult , one that has turned any nation it has taken root in to an over flowing sewer of corruption, cruelty. The history of it is an orgy of blood and suffering... ...and currently being imported into Europe on an epic and very profitable (for the human traffickers) scale by the followers of the equally destructive religion of political correctness.
Most of the above could equally be applied to the Christian religion and the western empires over the last couple of thousand years..
Strange irony..
No it couldn't. The Nazarene is the example of the Christians : Mohammaned the Muslims .
Let's compare the two,
- Mohammed have more than 8 wives, including his child bride, Aisha - who was 6 at the age of the marriage and 9 at the age of consummation. Jesus had no wife.
- Mohammed waged wars. Slaughtered many people, including the Jewish Banya Quraza tribe. He murdered all the men and boys and enslaved the women and estimated 800 men had their throats slit that day..... Jesus never waged war.
- The elevation of Arabic and pale Arabs over all else. You CANNOT read the Qu'ran in any other language than 6th century Qureshi Arabic, yet over 75% of Muslims are not Arab.
- lslam has no guaranteed salvation, apart from dying in the name of Allah in the cause of Jihad. Christians just need to believe in Jesus.
When you look at the tenants and theology of the religion, things tend to clarify like halal butter and become self evident.
l'm sure stark evidence is not enough to shake you from your leftist narrative that lslam is a peaceful cult of the same ilk as Christianity and that all the ills of the world are due to crusading oil hungry blue eyed Christian men."That's racist xenophobia, we all know that those who murder in the name of the mighty sky God aren't really his followers, I mean why would they point 1 finger and shout Allah Akbar unless of course a Jin had taken control of their body and mind | |||
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"Islam was conceived in the 6th century by an illiterate mediaeval equivalent of a used car salesman as a conquest cult used to bestow a divine conceit upon ostracized and outcast Arab nomads to pillage, destroy and degrade the world for the benefit of a small malevolent elite of hypocritical parasites. It's a cult , one that has turned any nation it has taken root in to an over flowing sewer of corruption, cruelty. The history of it is an orgy of blood and suffering... ...and currently being imported into Europe on an epic and very profitable (for the human traffickers) scale by the followers of the equally destructive religion of political correctness.
Most of the above could equally be applied to the Christian religion and the western empires over the last couple of thousand years..
Strange irony..
No it couldn't. The Nazarene is the example of the Christians : Mohammaned the Muslims .
Let's compare the two,
- Mohammed have more than 8 wives, including his child bride, Aisha - who was 6 at the age of the marriage and 9 at the age of consummation. Jesus had no wife.
- Mohammed waged wars. Slaughtered many people, including the Jewish Banya Quraza tribe. He murdered all the men and boys and enslaved the women and estimated 800 men had their throats slit that day..... Jesus never waged war.
- The elevation of Arabic and pale Arabs over all else. You CANNOT read the Qu'ran in any other language than 6th century Qureshi Arabic, yet over 75% of Muslims are not Arab.
- lslam has no guaranteed salvation, apart from dying in the name of Allah in the cause of Jihad. Christians just need to believe in Jesus.
When you look at the tenants and theology of the religion, things tend to clarify like halal butter and become self evident.
l'm sure stark evidence is not enough to shake you from your leftist narrative that lslam is a peaceful cult of the same ilk as Christianity and that all the ills of the world are due to crusading oil hungry blue eyed Christian men.
You really are deluded at times, history is littered with examples of slaughter, corruption, exploitation etc etc by minorities within most faiths since time began..
Yet you along with the other Islam hating people on here can't grasp that it is not all within that faith that are a threat..
You talk the language of division and hate not because it's of any benefit to all but because it fuels your own perverse agenda..
Mmmm I think you have been won over by the PC brigade, and the reap they promote. Please tell me Muslim country that is as open welcome and tolerant as any Northern European country, and allows its females to have exactly the same rights and expectations as its male citizens "Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. | |||
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"Islam was conceived in the 6th century by an illiterate mediaeval equivalent of a used car salesman as a conquest cult used to bestow a divine conceit upon ostracized and outcast Arab nomads to pillage, destroy and degrade the world for the benefit of a small malevolent elite of hypocritical parasites. It's a cult , one that has turned any nation it has taken root in to an over flowing sewer of corruption, cruelty. The history of it is an orgy of blood and suffering... ...and currently being imported into Europe on an epic and very profitable (for the human traffickers) scale by the followers of the equally destructive religion of political correctness.
Most of the above could equally be applied to the Christian religion and the western empires over the last couple of thousand years..
Strange irony..
No it couldn't. The Nazarene is the example of the Christians : Mohammaned the Muslims .
Let's compare the two,
- Mohammed have more than 8 wives, including his child bride, Aisha - who was 6 at the age of the marriage and 9 at the age of consummation. Jesus had no wife.
- Mohammed waged wars. Slaughtered many people, including the Jewish Banya Quraza tribe. He murdered all the men and boys and enslaved the women and estimated 800 men had their throats slit that day..... Jesus never waged war.
- The elevation of Arabic and pale Arabs over all else. You CANNOT read the Qu'ran in any other language than 6th century Qureshi Arabic, yet over 75% of Muslims are not Arab.
- lslam has no guaranteed salvation, apart from dying in the name of Allah in the cause of Jihad. Christians just need to believe in Jesus.
When you look at the tenants and theology of the religion, things tend to clarify like halal butter and become self evident.
l'm sure stark evidence is not enough to shake you from your leftist narrative that lslam is a peaceful cult of the same ilk as Christianity and that all the ills of the world are due to crusading oil hungry blue eyed Christian men.
You really are deluded at times, history is littered with examples of slaughter, corruption, exploitation etc etc by minorities within most faiths since time began..
Yet you along with the other Islam hating people on here can't grasp that it is not all within that faith that are a threat..
You talk the language of division and hate not because it's of any benefit to all but because it fuels your own perverse agenda..
Mmmm I think you have been won over by the PC brigade, and the reap they promote. Please tell me Muslim country that is as open welcome and tolerant as any Northern European country, and allows its females to have exactly the same rights and expectations as its male citizens
Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy.
As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence." | |||
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The Greek island?
I think he meant "Rhodesia" but education being such.....
Didnt you know how it got to be called Rhodesia?"Let's be honest Rhodesia dies the day Mugabe seized power | |||
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"Islam was conceived in the 6th century by an illiterate mediaeval equivalent of a used car salesman as a conquest cult used to bestow a divine conceit upon ostracized and outcast Arab nomads to pillage, destroy and degrade the world for the benefit of a small malevolent elite of hypocritical parasites. It's a cult , one that has turned any nation it has taken root in to an over flowing sewer of corruption, cruelty. The history of it is an orgy of blood and suffering... ...and currently being imported into Europe on an epic and very profitable (for the human traffickers) scale by the followers of the equally destructive religion of political correctness.
Most of the above could equally be applied to the Christian religion and the western empires over the last couple of thousand years..
Strange irony..
No it couldn't. The Nazarene is the example of the Christians : Mohammaned the Muslims .
Let's compare the two,
- Mohammed have more than 8 wives, including his child bride, Aisha - who was 6 at the age of the marriage and 9 at the age of consummation. Jesus had no wife.
- Mohammed waged wars. Slaughtered many people, including the Jewish Banya Quraza tribe. He murdered all the men and boys and enslaved the women and estimated 800 men had their throats slit that day..... Jesus never waged war.
- The elevation of Arabic and pale Arabs over all else. You CANNOT read the Qu'ran in any other language than 6th century Qureshi Arabic, yet over 75% of Muslims are not Arab.
- lslam has no guaranteed salvation, apart from dying in the name of Allah in the cause of Jihad. Christians just need to believe in Jesus.
When you look at the tenants and theology of the religion, things tend to clarify like halal butter and become self evident.
l'm sure stark evidence is not enough to shake you from your leftist narrative that lslam is a peaceful cult of the same ilk as Christianity and that all the ills of the world are due to crusading oil hungry blue eyed Christian men.
You really are deluded at times, history is littered with examples of slaughter, corruption, exploitation etc etc by minorities within most faiths since time began..
Yet you along with the other Islam hating people on here can't grasp that it is not all within that faith that are a threat..
You talk the language of division and hate not because it's of any benefit to all but because it fuels your own perverse agenda..
He speaks truth. Why indulge lies and fantasy to spare the blushes of a delusion horde of sycophants ? Christianity reformed, Islam pride's itself on interpreting the mediaeval misanthropic vague gibberish of the quran in a static way that only results in death and suffering?.
Long before Europeans set foot in Africa Arabs were launching jihads there, enslaving and selling the inhabitants.. a trade that lasted for almost 1400 years and killed over 80 million just in transport alone during this time and only ended when the European anti slavery movement gained so much traction Europeans put their foot down and stamped it out.
The history of Islam is one of unrelenting suffering and exploitation. The original quran itself was completely destroyed in the 7th century..no other copies existed, it was pieced back together using vague accounts of third parties..
It's corrupt mediaeval gibberish that sends any nation it takes root in on a kamikaze mission to total ruin. This is the inescapable and glaring reality." | |||
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" WTF. the Qu'ran, and especially Hadith, speak of what a ''good'' Muslim should do with people like me and my family. If we were there that day our throats would have been slit as as well. " okay colbolt we all know what your agenda is as you keep pushing this line of thought again and again in different threads..... but if you are going to wander down "this" avenue.... you might want to read a lot of the old testament... "spoiler alert" : our god isn't a particularly merciful god........  | |||
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" WTF. the Qu'ran, and especially Hadith, speak of what a ''good'' Muslim should do with people like me and my family. If we were there that day our throats would have been slit as as well. okay colbolt we all know what your agenda is as you keep pushing this line of thought again and again in different threads..... but if you are going to wander down "this" avenue.... you might want to read a lot of the old testament... "spoiler alert" : our god isn't a particularly merciful god........ "This is a rubbish argument - the Old Testament is ancient history and very little of it, apart from the Rites, is in use today. Islam has changed very little since its concept, and the vast majority of Imams preach the original texts as doctrine. | |||
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" WTF. the Qu'ran, and especially Hadith, speak of what a ''good'' Muslim should do with people like me and my family. If we were there that day our throats would have been slit as as well. okay colbolt we all know what your agenda is as you keep pushing this line of thought again and again in different threads..... but if you are going to wander down "this" avenue.... you might want to read a lot of the old testament... "spoiler alert" : our god isn't a particularly merciful god........
This is a rubbish argument - the Old Testament is ancient history and very little of it, apart from the Rites, is in use today. Islam has changed very little since its concept, and the vast majority of Imams preach the original texts as doctrine."thats not true.... lots of evangelicals use it..... actually so to ultra orthodox jewish people.... you'll have to reminde me what year it is in the jewish calandar.... (5777 for anyone asking)...... | |||
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" WTF. the Qu'ran, and especially Hadith, speak of what a ''good'' Muslim should do with people like me and my family. If we were there that day our throats would have been slit as as well. okay colbolt we all know what your agenda is as you keep pushing this line of thought again and again in different threads..... but if you are going to wander down "this" avenue.... you might want to read a lot of the old testament... "spoiler alert" : our god isn't a particularly merciful god........
This is a rubbish argument - the Old Testament is ancient history and very little of it, apart from the Rites, is in use today. Islam has changed very little since its concept, and the vast majority of Imams preach the original texts as doctrine.
thats not true.... lots of evangelicals use it..... actually so to ultra orthodox jewish people.... you'll have to reminde me what year it is in the jewish calandar.... (5777 for anyone asking)......"They may use it, but they don't promote fear and hatred of other religions on the basis of it. | |||
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" WTF. the Qu'ran, and especially Hadith, speak of what a ''good'' Muslim should do with people like me and my family. If we were there that day our throats would have been slit as as well. okay colbolt we all know what your agenda is as you keep pushing this line of thought again and again in different threads..... but if you are going to wander down "this" avenue.... you might want to read a lot of the old testament... "spoiler alert" : our god isn't a particularly merciful god........ "l have read the Tanakh. I don't see the semi-mythological bronze age tales of the Israelite people to be as bad as the real, historical Arabic Warlord, called Mohammed.. Most things in the Torah are mythology and are remedied by the New Covenant of the Christians and Reform Judaism. | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... " Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... What do you mean "you people"?" i mean "those people" who always like to critise just the one religion, whilst convieniently forgetting about the others....... | |||
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" WTF. the Qu'ran, and especially Hadith, speak of what a ''good'' Muslim should do with people like me and my family. If we were there that day our throats would have been slit as as well. okay colbolt we all know what your agenda is as you keep pushing this line of thought again and again in different threads..... but if you are going to wander down "this" avenue.... you might want to read a lot of the old testament... "spoiler alert" : our god isn't a particularly merciful god........
l have read the Tanakh. I don't see the semi-mythological bronze age tales of the Israelite people to be as bad as the real, historical Arabic Warlord, called Mohammed.. Most things in the Torah are mythology and are remedied by the New Covenant of the Christians and Reform Judaism.
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... What do you mean "you people"? i mean "those people" who always like to critise just the one religion, whilst convieniently forgetting about the others....... " I think you'll find this situation because at the moment, what we label terrorists and those waging Jihad against western culture use the cover of Islam.They do it in the name of the prophet. . They have tarnished Islam for their own purposes. True Islam isn't about hatred, mass murder or support for groups like Isis etc | |||
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" I think you'll find this situation because at the moment, what we label terrorists and those waging Jihad against western culture use the cover of Islam.They do it in the name of the prophet. . They have tarnished Islam for their own purposes. True Islam isn't about hatred, mass murder or support for groups like Isis etc true....... welcome to my world... the world of being a minority... see...one person does something bad....and a whole community gets blamed or tarnished...." but may I add, that the whole Islamic community has a responsibility to distance itself from these people. . I don't think they do. . . . is this down to fear of retribution? | |||
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" WTF. the Qu'ran, and especially Hadith, speak of what a ''good'' Muslim should do with people like me and my family. If we were there that day our throats would have been slit as as well. okay colbolt we all know what your agenda is as you keep pushing this line of thought again and again in different threads..... but if you are going to wander down "this" avenue.... you might want to read a lot of the old testament... "spoiler alert" : our god isn't a particularly merciful god........ "Come Fabio , either you are confused , or trying to mud the waters on purpose
Unless I missed something , the comparison was with Christianism , Right ?
The only link between the old testament and Christianism , is the fact it mentions the coming of a messiah !
Jesus Christ and his doctrine are dealt with in the NEW Testament not the OLD !
There is a reason its called NEW Testament ! The old testament preaches an eye for an eye , as opposed to the new that preaches forgiveness and turning the other cheek !
mmmm.....dont know of any of the latter in "the religion of peace"
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"Islam was conceived in the 6th century by an illiterate mediaeval equivalent of a used car salesman as a conquest cult used to bestow a divine conceit upon ostracized and outcast Arab nomads to pillage, destroy and degrade the world for the benefit of a small malevolent elite of hypocritical parasites. It's a cult , one that has turned any nation it has taken root in to an over flowing sewer of corruption, cruelty. The history of it is an orgy of blood and suffering... ...and currently being imported into Europe on an epic and very profitable (for the human traffickers) scale by the followers of the equally destructive religion of political correctness.
Most of the above could equally be applied to the Christian religion and the western empires over the last couple of thousand years..
Strange irony..
No it couldn't. The Nazarene is the example of the Christians : Mohammaned the Muslims .
Let's compare the two,
- Mohammed have more than 8 wives, including his child bride, Aisha - who was 6 at the age of the marriage and 9 at the age of consummation. Jesus had no wife.
- Mohammed waged wars. Slaughtered many people, including the Jewish Banya Quraza tribe. He murdered all the men and boys and enslaved the women and estimated 800 men had their throats slit that day..... Jesus never waged war.
- The elevation of Arabic and pale Arabs over all else. You CANNOT read the Qu'ran in any other language than 6th century Qureshi Arabic, yet over 75% of Muslims are not Arab.
- lslam has no guaranteed salvation, apart from dying in the name of Allah in the cause of Jihad. Christians just need to believe in Jesus.
When you look at the tenants and theology of the religion, things tend to clarify like halal butter and become self evident.
l'm sure stark evidence is not enough to shake you from your leftist narrative that lslam is a peaceful cult of the same ilk as Christianity and that all the ills of the world are due to crusading oil hungry blue eyed Christian men.
We get it, you're Islamophobic, tell us something we don't know. "Since when is stating facts and the truth a form of phobia of any type ? 
Oh I get it .... easy way to escape the fact you have no valid counter argument !
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" You're quite a defender of islam Fabio...so tell us what it is you like about the religion...the paedophile prophet? The FGM? The automatic death sentence for apostates? The regularly pronounced racist hatred of Jews by their clerics in mosques worldwide? The suicide bombing murders? Segregation in mosques and Labour Party meetings? The random racist stabbings and vehicle murders? How about the all-integrating burka? Perhaps you like ALL of the above? actually... i am not a defender of islam.... but i will tell you what i am a defender of...... I am a defender to those from attack from people who look at the actions of one people proportion to do actions in the name of some, whilst convieniently forgetting (or looking the other ways) actions by others because it don't "fit the narrative" they are pushing..... remember the attack on a sikh temple in wisconsin that killed five people.... by people who were too stupid to know the difference between sikhs and muslims!!!! or the attack that killed two indian men in kansas after the attacker shouted "get out of my country" and thinking they were iranian remember the attack in quebec which was originally thought to the the actions of a moroccan man, and everyone went to town..... but when they found out the attack was done by a radical white separtarist.... all went really really silent... even trump who commented on the attack originally fell really silent... oh... and how about the bombing of the borussia dortmund bus.... evil attack done by muslim terrorists... oh wait.... what do you mean it was a white german of russian origin and the motive was money!!!!! damn you!!!!!!! and they you really wonder why there are increases in hate crimes.... because people write things that lead to incitement....." .....Islam is slaughtering every day Fabio..have you not noticed...you seem to be over the moon when it's not your beloved religion commiting the murders.  | |||
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" ..........Islam is slaughtering every day Fabio..have you not noticed...you seem to be over the moon when it's not your beloved religion commiting the murders. "The problem in the west today is this kind of one dimensional thinking and it affects people as high and mighty as the US President. Firstly, Islam is not slaughtering anyone. Fanatics of a certain branch of the Islamic faith are using its teachings to justify criminal actions - including mass murder. The irony is the majority of the victims of these criminal actions are in fact other Muslims. Islam does have a problem in as much as it has not been through a period of enlightenment yet. It is the largest religion in the world and the vast majority of the faith live in abject poverty and are poorly educated. If Islam were slaughtering every day - the rest of us would really have cause for concern. Islam has to be allowed to "grow up". | |||
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"Islam is slaughtering every day Fabio..have you not noticed...you seem to be over the moon when it's not your beloved religion commiting the murders. "erm.... i am catholic... but thanks for making stupid and pathetic presumptions upon my faith...... 
and thanks for making my point.... islam in itself is not killing people.... there are billions of people peacefully acting on their faith...
but the actions of the few make you think it is a majority...
and the reason i brought up those examples aren't to gloat... it was to show you that you, as well as other people, like to jump to a whole loat of conclusions..... but never actually come back and utter the words "i was wrong" when you are incorrect....
where the troubles were happening in northern ireland, where the same comparisons being made....
nope.... and thats the whole point..... if you are going to have a standard, then that standard should be applied to everyone... not cherry picked....
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" You're quite a defender of islam Fabio...so tell us what it is you like about the religion...the paedophile prophet? The FGM? The automatic death sentence for apostates? The regularly pronounced racist hatred of Jews by their clerics in mosques worldwide? The suicide bombing murders? Segregation in mosques and Labour Party meetings? The random racist stabbings and vehicle murders? How about the all-integrating burka? Perhaps you like ALL of the above? actually... i am not a defender of islam.... but i will tell you what i am a defender of......and they you really wonder why there are increases in hate crimes.... because people write things that lead to incitement....." I'm glad you mentioned Hate Crimes!? There have been dozens/hundreds of hate crimes... committed by muslims all over Western Europe (not Eastern Europe) in recent weeks, months, years... The UK police are at full stretch trying to contain the murderous level of hatred by followers of the paedophile Mohamed and his Mein Kampf. Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu of New Scotland Yard said last Friday: “I wanted to reassure the public that our increased activity to combat terrorism over the last two years continues,” he said....“Activity continues AROUND THE CLOCK to identify and stop these threats,” said Basu, ...“we are making arrests on a near DAILY BASIS”!? | |||
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" The UK police are at full stretch trying to contain the murderous level of hatred by followers of the paedophile Mohamed and his Mein Kampf. " and ladies and gents.... thank you omaha for proving my point..... in what world is saying something like this even objective to any discussion... and on that note... I am out of this thread..... | |||
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" ..........Islam is slaughtering every day Fabio..have you not noticed...you seem to be over the moon when it's not your beloved religion commiting the murders.
The problem in the west today is this kind of one dimensional thinking and it affects people as high and mighty as the US President.
Firstly, Islam is not slaughtering anyone. Fanatics of a certain branch of the Islamic faith are using its teachings to justify criminal actions - including mass murder. The irony is the majority of the victims of these criminal actions are in fact other Muslims.
Islam does have a problem in as much as it has not been through a period of enlightenment yet. It is the largest religion in the world and the vast majority of the faith live in abject poverty and are poorly educated. If Islam were slaughtering every day - the rest of us would really have cause for concern.
Islam has to be allowed to "grow up"."Why should it be allowed to "grow up" to the detriment of other societies and cultures? | |||
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" ..........Islam is slaughtering every day Fabio..have you not noticed...you seem to be over the moon when it's not your beloved religion commiting the murders.
The problem in the west today is this kind of one dimensional thinking and it affects people as high and mighty as the US President.
Firstly, Islam is not slaughtering anyone. Fanatics of a certain branch of the Islamic faith are using its teachings to justify criminal actions - including mass murder. The irony is the majority of the victims of these criminal actions are in fact other Muslims.
Islam does have a problem in as much as it has not been through a period of enlightenment yet. It is the largest religion in the world and the vast majority of the faith live in abject poverty and are poorly educated. If Islam were slaughtering every day - the rest of us would really have cause for concern.
Islam has to be allowed to "grow up"."Amazing Post !
But.... mostly wrong !
So...its the west's one dimensional thinkings fault ? What BS !
If there is an example of that, its the current islamic extremism or islam its self !
Naturally before Trump the world and islam were peaceful Right ?
Islam by its nature is a religion of conquest , and forceful submission , dominated mostly by force ! The fact that muslims are being killed by other muslims is not ironic at all , but merely an acceptance by all of islam´s bloody nature and origin !
You are wrong ! Islam has been through a period of enlightenment! But it has been steadily regressing !
It was called the golden age !
You can see it in monuments like the Alhambra in Spain ! and some places in Portugal too that were part of the Al Andaluz caliphate .
It was a period of almost 500 years where culture ,art and science thrived , and we today still benefit from the results !
Here is a link :
http://islamichistory.org/islamic-golden-age/
or an easier one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
This was an exceptional time !
Paradoxically they were a lot more evolved and open in the middle ages then they are today!
Unfortunately they have regressed .. 
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? " I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. | |||
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" The UK police are at full stretch trying to contain the murderous level of hatred by followers of the paedophile Mohamed and his Mein Kampf. and ladies and gents.... thank you omaha for proving my point..... in what world is saying something like this even objective to any discussion... and on that note... I am out of this thread....." Lol.... run Fabio run !
No great loss .... specially when you mix the old and new testament ..... when comparing islam and christian values !
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. " That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Do they attach explosives to their chests and murder people in street markets...Do they hijack vehicles and mow down men, women and children on the pavement? In fact they don't commit racist/religious murders so why should anyone hate them? You're quite a defender of islam Fabio...so tell us what it is you like about the religion...the paedophile prophet? The FGM? The automatic death sentence for apostates? The regularly pronounced racist hatred of Jews by their clerics in mosques worldwide? The suicide bombing murders? Segregation in mosques and Labour Party meetings? The random racist stabbings and vehicle murders? How about the all-integrating burka? Perhaps you like ALL of the above?"
Argh you can't say any of that, it's the religion of peace and tolerance, how many times do you need telling, ehich but are you not understanding
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" ..........Islam is slaughtering every day Fabio..have you not noticed...you seem to be over the moon when it's not your beloved religion commiting the murders.
The problem in the west today is this kind of one dimensional thinking and it affects people as high and mighty as the US President.
Firstly, Islam is not slaughtering anyone. Fanatics of a certain branch of the Islamic faith are using its teachings to justify criminal actions - including mass murder. The irony is the majority of the victims of these criminal actions are in fact other Muslims.
Islam does have a problem in as much as it has not been through a period of enlightenment yet. It is the largest religion in the world and the vast majority of the faith live in abject poverty and are poorly educated. If Islam were slaughtering every day - the rest of us would really have cause for concern.
Islam has to be allowed to "grow up"."I hope I'm not enjoying a nice meal with my family 1 sunny night, as one it's mature fundamentals has a practice session whilst growing up in a truck heading my way May be he will stop for a cup of mint tea and allow himself to be educated, whilst rejecting the urge to please his peadophilic sky God and murdering hundreds in the name of Allah Let's be honest most religions are at best medieval, but Islam and all that it will deliver for the west, is as greater threat to our future and our children's future as is Korea | |||
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" The UK police are at full stretch trying to contain the murderous level of hatred by followers of the paedophile Mohamed and his Mein Kampf. and ladies and gents.... thank you omaha for proving my point..... in what world is saying something like this even objective to any discussion... and on that note... I am out of this thread....." I think Omaha well and truly pissed on your parade well done!.. | |||
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" ..........Islam is slaughtering every day Fabio..have you not noticed...you seem to be over the moon when it's not your beloved religion commiting the murders.
The problem in the west today is this kind of one dimensional thinking and it affects people as high and mighty as the US President.
Firstly, Islam is not slaughtering anyone. Fanatics of a certain branch of the Islamic faith are using its teachings to justify criminal actions - including mass murder. The irony is the majority of the victims of these criminal actions are in fact other Muslims.
Islam does have a problem in as much as it has not been through a period of enlightenment yet. It is the largest religion in the world and the vast majority of the faith live in abject poverty and are poorly educated. If Islam were slaughtering every day - the rest of us would really have cause for concern.
Islam has to be allowed to "grow up".
I hope I'm not enjoying a nice meal with my family 1 sunny night, as one it's mature fundamentals has a practice session whilst growing up in a truck heading my way
May be he will stop for a cup of mint tea and allow himself to be educated, whilst rejecting the urge to please his peadophilic sky God and murdering hundreds in the name of Allah
Let's be honest most religions are at best medieval, but Islam and all that it will deliver for the west, is as greater threat to our future and our children's future as is Korea"The people committing terrorist attacks are not Muslims, they are petty criminals, drinking and drug taking and unemployed. The kind of politics that you espouse of division and hatred creates deprivation were vulnerable people can be prayed upon and convinced to commit atrocities. People who feel like they have options and a chance for self improvement don't become terrorists. It's people who are oppressed and have no options who do. | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! "Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony. You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries. Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome.. | |||
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" ..........Islam is slaughtering every day Fabio..have you not noticed...you seem to be over the moon when it's not your beloved religion commiting the murders.
The problem in the west today is this kind of one dimensional thinking and it affects people as high and mighty as the US President.
Firstly, Islam is not slaughtering anyone. Fanatics of a certain branch of the Islamic faith are using its teachings to justify criminal actions - including mass murder. The irony is the majority of the victims of these criminal actions are in fact other Muslims.
Islam does have a problem in as much as it has not been through a period of enlightenment yet. It is the largest religion in the world and the vast majority of the faith live in abject poverty and are poorly educated. If Islam were slaughtering every day - the rest of us would really have cause for concern.
Islam has to be allowed to "grow up".
I hope I'm not enjoying a nice meal with my family 1 sunny night, as one it's mature fundamentals has a practice session whilst growing up in a truck heading my way
May be he will stop for a cup of mint tea and allow himself to be educated, whilst rejecting the urge to please his peadophilic sky God and murdering hundreds in the name of Allah
Let's be honest most religions are at best medieval, but Islam and all that it will deliver for the west, is as greater threat to our future and our children's future as is Korea
The people committing terrorist attacks are not Muslims, they are petty criminals, drinking and drug taking and unemployed.
The kind of politics that you espouse of division and hatred creates deprivation were vulnerable people can be prayed upon and convinced to commit atrocities. People who feel like they have options and a chance for self improvement don't become terrorists. It's people who are oppressed and have no options who do."Lol..... Unbelievable !
Do you actually believe that crap you posting ?
By your "logic" then places like India , Africa , South America and any other places where people like you describe are abundant , would spawn hundreds of thousand of suicide bombers and killers ! Right?
Oh no, wait a minute, could it be that only the ones of a certain religion do ?
mmmm..... or all those poor, and uneducated souls in places like France ,Sweden, and even the UK some living on meagre benefits were getting their solace and support (radicalisation) from Mosques and online ! Poor them !
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome.. "Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ? 
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! "No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek. Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them. | |||
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"The Portuguese Inquisition was officially established in 1536 (Put into extent in Goa at 1560) and lasted until the year 1812 (276 bloody years).The entire Jewish community of Portugal was forced to convert into Christianity. This all sounds like islam doesn't it.. "Get your history right BOB ! The inquisition in Portugal was never too powerful! In fact we took in Jews fleeing Spain ! Forced conversions were never really enforced not in the way they were in other places ! In fact it was well known that most jews were still praticing their religion behind closed doors! There is a whole heritage revolving around that that still exists today , in terms of rituals and food ! There was always a lot of tolerance as long as they were discrete ! | |||
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"The Portuguese Inquisition was officially established in 1536 (Put into extent in Goa at 1560) and lasted until the year 1812 (276 bloody years).The entire Jewish community of Portugal was forced to convert into Christianity. This all sounds like islam doesn't it..
Get your history right BOB !
The inquisition in Portugal was never too powerful! In fact we took in Jews fleeing Spain ! Forced conversions were never really enforced not in the way they were in other places ! In fact it was well known that most jews were still praticing their religion behind closed doors! There is a whole heritage revolving around that that still exists today , in terms of rituals and food !
There was always a lot of tolerance as long as they were discrete !
"Nothing wrong with my history lesson. The major target of the Portuguese Inquisition were those who had converted from Judaism to Catholicism, the Conversos, also known as New Christians or Marranos, who were suspected of secretly practising Judaism. Many of these were originally Spanish Jews, who had left Spain for Portugal. The number of victims is estimated around 40,000. | |||
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" The people committing terrorist attacks are not Muslims, they are petty criminals, drinking and drug taking and unemployed. " Who are you to decide whether somebody is muslim or not? Religion is all about belief, and if they believe they're muslims, then muslims they are. Would you deny the Pope is catholic if it didn't fit your agenda? "petty criminals, drinking and drug taking and unemployed." Murder is hardly a petty crime, or do you consider the murder of non-muslim white people as a petty crime? And how do you know that they are all drinkers, drug-takers and unemployed? Not all the details have been reported for all the recent bunch of terrorists - do you know something the police don't know, or are you just making it up again? | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them."No Bob I am not wrong , and you know it ! In fact you actually help prove my point ! When Christians perpetrate bloodshed, it goes against the tolerance and forgiveness of the scriptures ! Thus they violate them ! When muslims shed blood of infidels they are doing it obedience and in accordance to the scripture of their religion ! Get it ? I even left out the emojis in order not to distract you ! | |||
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"The Portuguese Inquisition was officially established in 1536 (Put into extent in Goa at 1560) and lasted until the year 1812 (276 bloody years).The entire Jewish community of Portugal was forced to convert into Christianity. This all sounds like islam doesn't it..
Get your history right BOB !
The inquisition in Portugal was never too powerful! In fact we took in Jews fleeing Spain ! Forced conversions were never really enforced not in the way they were in other places ! In fact it was well known that most jews were still praticing their religion behind closed doors! There is a whole heritage revolving around that that still exists today , in terms of rituals and food !
There was always a lot of tolerance as long as they were discrete !
Nothing wrong with my history lesson.
The major target of the Portuguese Inquisition were those who had converted from Judaism to Catholicism, the Conversos, also known as New Christians or Marranos, who were suspected of secretly practising Judaism. Many of these were originally Spanish Jews, who had left Spain for Portugal. The number of victims is estimated around 40,000.
"And why do you think they left Spain for Portugal ?
In Portugal they had restrictions.. but could live ...not so in Spain !
The victim number does not refer to deaths.... but rather of Known jewish Families !
FYI I am a descendant on my mothers side from some of these families !
And tbh we did have one king that fucked up and ceded to the church regarding the jews in the late 17th and early 18th century ! But they were not killed ..just thrown out of the country (some)
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them."I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide. | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide. "That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here. | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here."Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here.
Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
The Union Jack isn't known as the butcher's apron for nothing...."Are you proud to be British? | |||
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" ..........Islam is slaughtering every day Fabio..have you not noticed...you seem to be over the moon when it's not your beloved religion commiting the murders.
The problem in the west today is this kind of one dimensional thinking and it affects people as high and mighty as the US President.
Firstly, Islam is not slaughtering anyone. Fanatics of a certain branch of the Islamic faith are using its teachings to justify criminal actions - including mass murder. The irony is the majority of the victims of these criminal actions are in fact other Muslims.
Islam does have a problem in as much as it has not been through a period of enlightenment yet. It is the largest religion in the world and the vast majority of the faith live in abject poverty and are poorly educated. If Islam were slaughtering every day - the rest of us would really have cause for concern.
Islam has to be allowed to "grow up".
I hope I'm not enjoying a nice meal with my family 1 sunny night, as one it's mature fundamentals has a practice session whilst growing up in a truck heading my way
May be he will stop for a cup of mint tea and allow himself to be educated, whilst rejecting the urge to please his peadophilic sky God and murdering hundreds in the name of Allah
Let's be honest most religions are at best medieval, but Islam and all that it will deliver for the west, is as greater threat to our future and our children's future as is Korea
The people committing terrorist attacks are not Muslims, they are petty criminals, drinking and drug taking and unemployed.
The kind of politics that you espouse of division and hatred creates deprivation were vulnerable people can be prayed upon and convinced to commit atrocities. People who feel like they have options and a chance for self improvement don't become terrorists. It's people who are oppressed and have no options who do."Weren't the Glasgow airport bombers Dr's I bet they did it to hightlight the funding crisis in the NHS, | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome.. "I must admit just this week the local land owner and god fearing Christian in our village asked for volunteers to ride with him to the east and conquer the Islamic savages Fucking hell get real that was over 200 years ago lol | |||
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" The people committing terrorist attacks are not Muslims, they are petty criminals, drinking and drug taking and unemployed. Who are you to decide whether somebody is muslim or not? Religion is all about belief, and if they believe they're muslims, then muslims they are. Would you deny the Pope is catholic if it didn't fit your agenda? "petty criminals, drinking and drug taking and unemployed." Murder is hardly a petty crime, or do you consider the murder of non-muslim white people as a petty crime? And how do you know that they are all drinkers, drug-takers and unemployed? Not all the details have been reported for all the recent bunch of terrorists - do you know something the police don't know, or are you just making it up again?" CLCC knows everything, he is everywhere just mysterons... | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here.
Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
The Union Jack isn't known as the butcher's apron for nothing....
Are you proud to be British?"I'm extremely proud to classed as both English and British ... | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here.
Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
The Union Jack isn't known as the butcher's apron for nothing....
Are you proud to be British?"I find the notion of being proud of the location that you happened to find yourself in by an accident of birth to be a perplexing one. And; being proud of being British, doesn't mean that you need also to be proud of the slaughter of millions in Britain's name. | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here.
Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
The Union Jack isn't known as the butcher's apron for nothing....
Are you proud to be British?
I find the notion of being proud of the location that you happened to find yourself in by an accident of birth to be a perplexing one.
And; being proud of being British, doesn't mean that you need also to be proud of the slaughter of millions in Britain's name. "May be you should move to country that better fits your wishes and aspirations, and has a history in which you can be proud off. I'd love to know where you would choose, and do Ryanair fly there, after all they will have a sale on on Monday and don't mind buying you a speedy boarding ticket and 2 hold bags | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here.
Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
The Union Jack isn't known as the butcher's apron for nothing....
Are you proud to be British?
I find the notion of being proud of the location that you happened to find yourself in by an accident of birth to be a perplexing one.
And; being proud of being British, doesn't mean that you need also to be proud of the slaughter of millions in Britain's name.
May be you should move to country that better fits your wishes and aspirations, and has a history in which you can be proud off.
I'd love to know where you would choose, and do Ryanair fly there, after all they will have a sale on on Monday and don't mind buying you a speedy boarding ticket and 2 hold bags "Or maybe I shouldn't. Just becaue I live here, doesn't mean I have to be one of those morons who are unquestioningly proud of slaughter simply because they happened to be born here. If people just moved instead of standing up for what they believed in, people like you wouldn't have a vote, or be allowed to own property....etc | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here.
Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
The Union Jack isn't known as the butcher's apron for nothing....
Are you proud to be British?
I find the notion of being proud of the location that you happened to find yourself in by an accident of birth to be a perplexing one.
And; being proud of being British, doesn't mean that you need also to be proud of the slaughter of millions in Britain's name.
May be you should move to country that better fits your wishes and aspirations, and has a history in which you can be proud off.
I'd love to know where you would choose, and do Ryanair fly there, after all they will have a sale on on Monday and don't mind buying you a speedy boarding ticket and 2 hold bags "There are plenty of great moments in british history.However if you look at history through rose tinted glasses out your anus you'll miss the attrocties and bloodshed that paid for and created the british empire . | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here.
Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
The Union Jack isn't known as the butcher's apron for nothing....
Are you proud to be British?
I find the notion of being proud of the location that you happened to find yourself in by an accident of birth to be a perplexing one.
And; being proud of being British, doesn't mean that you need also to be proud of the slaughter of millions in Britain's name.
May be you should move to country that better fits your wishes and aspirations, and has a history in which you can be proud off.
I'd love to know where you would choose, and do Ryanair fly there, after all they will have a sale on on Monday and don't mind buying you a speedy boarding ticket and 2 hold bags
Or maybe I shouldn't. Just becaue I live here, doesn't mean I have to be one of those morons who are unquestioningly proud of slaughter simply because they happened to be born here. If people just moved instead of standing up for what they believed in, people like you wouldn't have a vote, or be allowed to own property....etc"Thanks for your concerns, pity I didn't know your views last week, I would have left a token on the many graves of those who died so that we could be free and live in peace in this wonderful country. Those barbaric parachutist who dropped in to a hornets nest of SS panzer brigades in Arnhem, or may be you would prefer to knock the brave Americans who died defending Bastogne from the SS death battalions Or the brave red coats who fought at Waterloo, such shocking individuals fighting to protect the UK from those who would do us harm Oh and by the way I'm doing fine for property, 1 selling 1 buying 1 nearly ready to sell 1 renting And a gorgeous 3 bedder to live in, and I thank those who do and did so much that I and my family can leave in peace and free from tyranny | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here.
Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
The Union Jack isn't known as the butcher's apron for nothing....
Are you proud to be British?
I find the notion of being proud of the location that you happened to find yourself in by an accident of birth to be a perplexing one.
And; being proud of being British, doesn't mean that you need also to be proud of the slaughter of millions in Britain's name.
May be you should move to country that better fits your wishes and aspirations, and has a history in which you can be proud off.
I'd love to know where you would choose, and do Ryanair fly there, after all they will have a sale on on Monday and don't mind buying you a speedy boarding ticket and 2 hold bags There are plenty of great moments in british history.However if you look at history through rose tinted glasses out your anus you'll miss the attrocties and bloodshed that paid for and created the british empire . "Rose tint has never suited me, but if your own personal experience says they are a much better choice I shall give them another go | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here.
Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
The Union Jack isn't known as the butcher's apron for nothing....
Are you proud to be British?
I find the notion of being proud of the location that you happened to find yourself in by an accident of birth to be a perplexing one.
And; being proud of being British, doesn't mean that you need also to be proud of the slaughter of millions in Britain's name.
May be you should move to country that better fits your wishes and aspirations, and has a history in which you can be proud off.
I'd love to know where you would choose, and do Ryanair fly there, after all they will have a sale on on Monday and don't mind buying you a speedy boarding ticket and 2 hold bags There are plenty of great moments in british history.However if you look at history through rose tinted glasses out your anus you'll miss the attrocties and bloodshed that paid for and created the british empire .
Rose tint has never suited me, but if your own personal experience says they are a much better choice I shall give them another go"NO, sorry you´re wrong ! Bobs tint is a two tone ! One Green ! and one Red ! | |||
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" The people committing terrorist attacks are not Muslims, they are petty criminals, drinking and drug taking and unemployed. I think you will find many people committing terrorist attacks are extremely dedicated to their religion, most will not drink nor take drugs, they will train hard and fight for their belief I think you'll find they are not." Really? Can you enlighten us and tell us what religion they are? I know ISIS generally take the credit and given their strict application of Islam it would help discredit them massively. Actually this us something the authorities and anti terror squads around the world have missed. Terrorists are just a bunch of pisshead petty criminals, who'd of thought it | |||
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" The people committing terrorist attacks are not Muslims, they are petty criminals, drinking and drug taking and unemployed. I think you will find many people committing terrorist attacks are extremely dedicated to their religion, most will not drink nor take drugs, they will train hard and fight for their belief I think you'll find they are not. Really? Can you enlighten us and tell us what religion they are? I know ISIS generally take the credit and given their strict application of Islam it would help discredit them massively. Actually this us something the authorities and anti terror squads around the world have missed. Terrorists are just a bunch of pisshead petty criminals, who'd of thought it "You forgot to mention and add unemployed depressed victims of a cruel capitalistic society ! living in social housing provided free by the state ....and meagre benefits.... | |||
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" The people committing terrorist attacks are not Muslims, they are petty criminals, drinking and drug taking and unemployed. I think you will find many people committing terrorist attacks are extremely dedicated to their religion, most will not drink nor take drugs, they will train hard and fight for their belief I think you'll find they are not. Really? Can you enlighten us and tell us what religion they are? I know ISIS generally take the credit and given their strict application of Islam it would help discredit them massively. Actually this us something the authorities and anti terror squads around the world have missed. Terrorists are just a bunch of pisshead petty criminals, who'd of thought it "CLCC seems to be very quiet and doesn't want to support his own expert knowledge as to how Islamic terrorists operate, do they have favourite bar and porn site. What style of social do they prefer | |||
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" The people committing terrorist attacks are not Muslims, they are petty criminals, drinking and drug taking and unemployed. I think you will find many people committing terrorist attacks are extremely dedicated to their religion, most will not drink nor take drugs, they will train hard and fight for their belief I think you'll find they are not. Really? Can you enlighten us and tell us what religion they are? I know ISIS generally take the credit and given their strict application of Islam it would help discredit them massively. Actually this us something the authorities and anti terror squads around the world have missed. Terrorists are just a bunch of pisshead petty criminals, who'd of thought it
You forgot to mention and add unemployed
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe.. Yeah, I bet they would love Rhodes back now hey
The Greek island?
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe.. Yeah, I bet they would love Rhodes back now hey
The Greek island? .
No Cecil .
I know exactly who you mean and why you said it. The ignorance of history on this thread is astounding. Cecil Rhodes did great things 140 years ago for what is now the shithole called Zimbabwe."He did many historically significant things and, from the influence of his actions, he could be considered great. Whether the things he actually did we're great is a natter that history has already changed its mind on more than once since his death. | |||
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe. Is that the best you have? How long has Zimbabwe been Christian? Besides, ALL of Africa is a Hellhole. Is there a single Islamic nation as free as the West? In a word No!..." When you West do you mean the Oxident (Europe and parts of North Africa), the New World or Wester Hemisphere (North and South America), The Western World (West Europe, North America and the Antipathies) or some other combination. | |||
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"Lets not forget that christian hell hole Zimbabwe.. Yeah, I bet they would love Rhodes back now hey
The Greek island?
I think he meant "Rhodesia" but education being such.....
Didnt you know how it got to be called Rhodesia?
Yep the shit hole called Zimbabwe. Thank you largely to the British politicians for that one."lt's their own fault. The Chinese investors in Africa certainly agree with me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LhSjLNyM-s | |||
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" Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
The Union Jack isn't known as the butcher's apron for nothing....
Are you proud to be British?
I find the notion of being proud of the location that you happened to find yourself in by an accident of birth to be a perplexing one.
And; being proud of being British, doesn't mean that you need also to be proud of the slaughter of millions in Britain's name.
May be you should move to country that better fits your wishes and aspirations, and has a history in which you can be proud off.
I'd love to know where you would choose, and do Ryanair fly there, after all they will have a sale on on Monday and don't mind buying you a speedy boarding ticket and 2 hold bags
Or maybe I shouldn't. Just becaue I live here, doesn't mean I have to be one of those morons who are unquestioningly proud of slaughter simply because they happened to be born here. If people just moved instead of standing up for what they believed in, people like you wouldn't have a vote, or be allowed to own property....etc
Thanks for your concerns, pity I didn't know your views last week, I would have left a token on the many graves of those who died so that we could be free and live in peace in this wonderful country.
Those barbaric parachutist who dropped in to a hornets nest of SS panzer brigades in Arnhem, or may be you would prefer to knock the brave Americans who died defending Bastogne from the SS death battalions
Or the brave red coats who fought at Waterloo, such shocking individuals fighting to protect the UK from those who would do us harm
Oh and by the way I'm doing fine for property,
1 selling
1 buying
1 nearly ready to sell
1 renting
And a gorgeous 3 bedder to live in, and I thank those who do and did so much that I and my family can leave in peace and free from tyranny "Lordy, you really do walk into these things don't you? Firstly, since you brought it up the second world war wasn't just fought by the Brits, you know. There are many examples of bravery and derring-do that don't belong to the British, or indeed to the milliitary. Should I be any less "proud" of the Soviets at Stalingrad? The fighters of the French resistance? The Bielskis? Simply because they didn't happen to have fallen out of a womb on the same soil as me? Secondly, and somewhat obviously, world war two was one fought by conscripted men AGAINST agressive nationalist empire building, although Hitler was daft enough to try and build it in Europe, instead of in far away places. Thirdly, why would I blame sodliers for anything? They do as they are ordered - they are mereley the pawns. It is as regrettable that British solders dies on our wars of conquest as it is that the many innocents they slaughtered also died. Re: My example of universal sufferage and property owning rights as fairly obvious examples of things that people who have struggled (and died) fighting the status quo have brought you - well done for utterly missing the point and instead boasting about properties that you own. You appear to be hoisting yourself by your own petard there...... | |||
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" Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
The Union Jack isn't known as the butcher's apron for nothing....
Are you proud to be British?
I find the notion of being proud of the location that you happened to find yourself in by an accident of birth to be a perplexing one.
And; being proud of being British, doesn't mean that you need also to be proud of the slaughter of millions in Britain's name.
May be you should move to country that better fits your wishes and aspirations, and has a history in which you can be proud off.
I'd love to know where you would choose, and do Ryanair fly there, after all they will have a sale on on Monday and don't mind buying you a speedy boarding ticket and 2 hold bags
Or maybe I shouldn't. Just becaue I live here, doesn't mean I have to be one of those morons who are unquestioningly proud of slaughter simply because they happened to be born here. If people just moved instead of standing up for what they believed in, people like you wouldn't have a vote, or be allowed to own property....etc
Thanks for your concerns, pity I didn't know your views last week, I would have left a token on the many graves of those who died so that we could be free and live in peace in this wonderful country.
Those barbaric parachutist who dropped in to a hornets nest of SS panzer brigades in Arnhem, or may be you would prefer to knock the brave Americans who died defending Bastogne from the SS death battalions
Or the brave red coats who fought at Waterloo, such shocking individuals fighting to protect the UK from those who would do us harm
Oh and by the way I'm doing fine for property,
1 selling
1 buying
1 nearly ready to sell
1 renting
And a gorgeous 3 bedder to live in, and I thank those who do and did so much that I and my family can leave in peace and free from tyranny
Lordy, you really do walk into these things don't you?
Firstly, since you brought it up the second world war wasn't just fought by the Brits, you know. There are many examples of bravery and derring-do that don't belong to the British, or indeed to the milliitary. Should I be any less "proud" of the Soviets at Stalingrad? The fighters of the French resistance? The Bielskis? Simply because they didn't happen to have fallen out of a womb on the same soil as me?
Secondly, and somewhat obviously, world war two was one fought by conscripted men AGAINST agressive nationalist empire building, although Hitler was daft enough to try and build it in Europe, instead of in far away places.
Thirdly, why would I blame sodliers for anything? They do as they are ordered - they are mereley the pawns. It is as regrettable that British solders dies on our wars of conquest as it is that the many innocents they slaughtered also died.
Re: My example of universal sufferage and property owning rights as fairly obvious examples of things that people who have struggled (and died) fighting the status quo have brought you - well done for utterly missing the point and instead boasting about properties that you own. You appear to be hoisting yourself by your own petard there......"Would that be the same socialist army that charged forward in to the bullets whilst followed by those who had no weapons and picked the weapons of the fallen, to scared not to run, or else they were shot by the communist enforcers. And I'm still struggling to understand which society you wish to represent And yeah I am proud of what I have achieved, achieved through hard work and a will to succeed and a drive to do better for myself and my family. that reminds me how much is a flag pole for my front garden, and should I fly Union Jack or the Saint George, although I am partial to the Italian flag and their inherent style. PS but I am curios and I'm wondering if can you clear up your unfortunate experience as to why you fell out of womb, was you bourne on a street with out any medical assistance, as my mother who is 85, didn't even fall out of a womb, but did have a home birth attended to by the local midwife | |||
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" Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
The Union Jack isn't known as the butcher's apron for nothing....
Are you proud to be British?
I find the notion of being proud of the location that you happened to find yourself in by an accident of birth to be a perplexing one.
And; being proud of being British, doesn't mean that you need also to be proud of the slaughter of millions in Britain's name.
May be you should move to country that better fits your wishes and aspirations, and has a history in which you can be proud off.
I'd love to know where you would choose, and do Ryanair fly there, after all they will have a sale on on Monday and don't mind buying you a speedy boarding ticket and 2 hold bags
Or maybe I shouldn't. Just becaue I live here, doesn't mean I have to be one of those morons who are unquestioningly proud of slaughter simply because they happened to be born here. If people just moved instead of standing up for what they believed in, people like you wouldn't have a vote, or be allowed to own property....etc
Thanks for your concerns, pity I didn't know your views last week, I would have left a token on the many graves of those who died so that we could be free and live in peace in this wonderful country.
Those barbaric parachutist who dropped in to a hornets nest of SS panzer brigades in Arnhem, or may be you would prefer to knock the brave Americans who died defending Bastogne from the SS death battalions
Or the brave red coats who fought at Waterloo, such shocking individuals fighting to protect the UK from those who would do us harm
Oh and by the way I'm doing fine for property,
1 selling
1 buying
1 nearly ready to sell
1 renting
And a gorgeous 3 bedder to live in, and I thank those who do and did so much that I and my family can leave in peace and free from tyranny
Lordy, you really do walk into these things don't you?
Firstly, since you brought it up the second world war wasn't just fought by the Brits, you know. There are many examples of bravery and derring-do that don't belong to the British, or indeed to the milliitary. Should I be any less "proud" of the Soviets at Stalingrad? The fighters of the French resistance? The Bielskis? Simply because they didn't happen to have fallen out of a womb on the same soil as me?
Secondly, and somewhat obviously, world war two was one fought by conscripted men AGAINST agressive nationalist empire building, although Hitler was daft enough to try and build it in Europe, instead of in far away places.
Thirdly, why would I blame sodliers for anything? They do as they are ordered - they are mereley the pawns. It is as regrettable that British solders dies on our wars of conquest as it is that the many innocents they slaughtered also died.
Re: My example of universal sufferage and property owning rights as fairly obvious examples of things that people who have struggled (and died) fighting the status quo have brought you - well done for utterly missing the point and instead boasting about properties that you own. You appear to be hoisting yourself by your own petard there......
Would that be the same socialist army that charged forward in to the bullets whilst followed by those who had no weapons and picked the weapons of the fallen, to scared not to run, or else they were shot by the communist enforcers.
And I'm still struggling to understand which society you wish to represent
And yeah I am proud of what I have achieved, achieved through hard work and a will to succeed and a drive to do better for myself and my family.
that reminds me how much is a flag pole for my front garden, and should I fly Union Jack or the Saint George, although I am partial to the Italian flag and their inherent style.
PS but I am curios and I'm wondering if can you clear up your unfortunate experience as to why you fell out of womb, was you bourne on a street with out any medical assistance, as my mother who is 85, didn't even fall out of a womb, but did have a home birth attended to by the local midwife"I really don't know how the threat of being shot negates their sacrifice - we shot deserters too, right up to WW1. I didn't ever say I had a problem with people being proud of things that they had achieved - it's certainly better than being proud of something you had absolutley no hand in , like where you were born, for example. I have no idea why you wish to buy a flag pole for your front garden, only you can answer that. The yanks seem to go in for that sort of thing. In the spirit of your previous comments directed at me, perhaps you'd care to move to the US? | |||
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" The people committing terrorist attacks are not Muslims, they are petty criminals, drinking and drug taking and unemployed. I think you will find many people committing terrorist attacks are extremely dedicated to their religion, most will not drink nor take drugs, they will train hard and fight for their belief I think you'll find they are not. Really? Can you enlighten us and tell us what religion they are? I know ISIS generally take the credit and given their strict application of Islam it would help discredit them massively. Actually this us something the authorities and anti terror squads around the world have missed. Terrorists are just a bunch of pisshead petty criminals, who'd of thought it
CLCC seems to be very quiet and doesn't want to support his own expert knowledge as to how Islamic terrorists operate, do they have favourite bar and porn site. What style of social do they prefer"Still quiet on this one isn't he | |||
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" Many centuries ago? So we definitely didn't repress subjects wanting to be free from British rule at all last century then?
The Union Jack isn't known as the butcher's apron for nothing....
Are you proud to be British?
I find the notion of being proud of the location that you happened to find yourself in by an accident of birth to be a perplexing one.
And; being proud of being British, doesn't mean that you need also to be proud of the slaughter of millions in Britain's name.
May be you should move to country that better fits your wishes and aspirations, and has a history in which you can be proud off.
I'd love to know where you would choose, and do Ryanair fly there, after all they will have a sale on on Monday and don't mind buying you a speedy boarding ticket and 2 hold bags
Or maybe I shouldn't. Just becaue I live here, doesn't mean I have to be one of those morons who are unquestioningly proud of slaughter simply because they happened to be born here. If people just moved instead of standing up for what they believed in, people like you wouldn't have a vote, or be allowed to own property....etc
Thanks for your concerns, pity I didn't know your views last week, I would have left a token on the many graves of those who died so that we could be free and live in peace in this wonderful country.
Those barbaric parachutist who dropped in to a hornets nest of SS panzer brigades in Arnhem, or may be you would prefer to knock the brave Americans who died defending Bastogne from the SS death battalions
Or the brave red coats who fought at Waterloo, such shocking individuals fighting to protect the UK from those who would do us harm
Oh and by the way I'm doing fine for property,
1 selling
1 buying
1 nearly ready to sell
1 renting
And a gorgeous 3 bedder to live in, and I thank those who do and did so much that I and my family can leave in peace and free from tyranny
Lordy, you really do walk into these things don't you?
Firstly, since you brought it up the second world war wasn't just fought by the Brits, you know. There are many examples of bravery and derring-do that don't belong to the British, or indeed to the milliitary. Should I be any less "proud" of the Soviets at Stalingrad? The fighters of the French resistance? The Bielskis? Simply because they didn't happen to have fallen out of a womb on the same soil as me?
Secondly, and somewhat obviously, world war two was one fought by conscripted men AGAINST agressive nationalist empire building, although Hitler was daft enough to try and build it in Europe, instead of in far away places.
Thirdly, why would I blame sodliers for anything? They do as they are ordered - they are mereley the pawns. It is as regrettable that British solders dies on our wars of conquest as it is that the many innocents they slaughtered also died.
Re: My example of universal sufferage and property owning rights as fairly obvious examples of things that people who have struggled (and died) fighting the status quo have brought you - well done for utterly missing the point and instead boasting about properties that you own. You appear to be hoisting yourself by your own petard there......
Would that be the same socialist army that charged forward in to the bullets whilst followed by those who had no weapons and picked the weapons of the fallen, to scared not to run, or else they were shot by the communist enforcers.
And I'm still struggling to understand which society you wish to represent
And yeah I am proud of what I have achieved, achieved through hard work and a will to succeed and a drive to do better for myself and my family.
that reminds me how much is a flag pole for my front garden, and should I fly Union Jack or the Saint George, although I am partial to the Italian flag and their inherent style.
PS but I am curios and I'm wondering if can you clear up your unfortunate experience as to why you fell out of womb, was you bourne on a street with out any medical assistance, as my mother who is 85, didn't even fall out of a womb, but did have a home birth attended to by the local midwife
I really don't know how the threat of being shot negates their sacrifice - we shot deserters too, right up to WW1.
I didn't ever say I had a problem with people being proud of things that they had achieved - it's certainly better than being proud of something you had absolutley no hand in , like where you were born, for example.
I have no idea why you wish to buy a flag pole for your front garden, only you can answer that. The yanks seem to go in for that sort of thing. In the spirit of your previous comments directed at me, perhaps you'd care to move to the US?"Nope no need to move at this moment in time, but I would love to have a property close to the Italian lakes. And as for the yanks having flag poles on their land, I must point that out to lady in bungalow at the bottom of our road, and ask the village school to take down their flag poles as it's not in keeeping with the wishes of some in the U.K. | |||
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"They can's stop her having a st Georges flag but I do belive they can ask for a Union flag to be removed. " But why can they, it's our national flag | |||
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"They can's stop her having a st Georges flag but I do belive they can ask for a Union flag to be removed. But why can they, it's our national flag" Anyone can ask for anything they like. I could ask for the moon on a stick if I wanted, doesn't mean I'm going to get it, does it? | |||
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"They can's stop her having a st Georges flag but I do belive they can ask for a Union flag to be removed. But why can they, it's our national flag" If I remember rightly the Union Jack is a commissioned flag but the George cross is the English flag. I could be wrong though and someone will be along soon and put me right | |||
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"They can's stop her having a st Georges flag but I do belive they can ask for a Union flag to be removed. But why can they, it's our national flag Anyone can ask for anything they like. I could ask for the moon on a stick if I wanted, doesn't mean I'm going to get it, does it?" Try asking nicely, you then might get it | |||
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" The people committing terrorist attacks are not Muslims, they are petty criminals, drinking and drug taking and unemployed. I think you will find many people committing terrorist attacks are extremely dedicated to their religion, most will not drink nor take drugs, they will train hard and fight for their belief I think you'll find they are not. Really? Can you enlighten us and tell us what religion they are? I know ISIS generally take the credit and given their strict application of Islam it would help discredit them massively. Actually this us something the authorities and anti terror squads around the world have missed. Terrorists are just a bunch of pisshead petty criminals, who'd of thought it
CLCC seems to be very quiet and doesn't want to support his own expert knowledge as to how Islamic terrorists operate, do they have favourite bar and porn site. What style of social do they prefer
Still quiet on this one isn't he "Extremely, it's like his theory doesn't really add up. It's a lot like Diane anbot | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome.. "I couldn't agree more with you. This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites. | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
"I've read the Greek fables and the pied piper, they're similar but with a lot less death and destruction So Mohammed marrying a child isn't true either And FGM and the rights of women under sharia law are exactly the same as they are for men. And it's fine to be semi covered in public, apostles aren't to be punished and mocking Mohamed shouldn't be punishable as he a loving caring individual who doesn't use fear as a method of control | |||
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"https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/29/turkey-blocks-wikipedia-under-law-designed-to-protect-national-security What does this mean for the EU and Turkey's membership?" your always trying to start trouble | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
I've read the Greek fables and the pied piper, they're similar but with a lot less death and destruction
So Mohammed marrying a child isn't true either
And FGM and the rights of women under sharia law are exactly the same as they are for men.
And it's fine to be semi covered in public, apostles aren't to be punished and mocking Mohamed shouldn't be punishable as he a loving caring individual who doesn't use fear as a method of control "Richard II married a 6 year old at 29 a good 500 years after Mohammed.There is a long list of English monarchs marrying 13-16 year olds.Common practice back then. Also interestingly the pied piper is thought to be a true event.Historians think he was either a maniac paedophile or he was recruiting child soldiers for the crusades and holy war.. | |||
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"Probably the same thing it has always done for Turkeys prospective membership of the EU. Fuck all. They are so far off the criteria for membership that it doesn't make any difference. Also, as an aside, what has it got to do with Islam? I mean if I wrote 'UK implements most draconian internet surveillance laws in the Christian world' would that seem odd to you? I mean it is likely factually correct, but what would Christianity have to do with it? -Matt l'd ask you in what way we are now a Christian country? We are secular. Actually we are not secular ..yes its leaning more to secular than ever but we are a kingdom still and at the head of that sits the queen as head of state ..a christian state which she promises to protect just putting that out there "I agree in the last census 64 per cent of this island kingdom said they were Christian only a small percentage said they had no religion.. | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
I've read the Greek fables and the pied piper, they're similar but with a lot less death and destruction
So Mohammed marrying a child isn't true either
And FGM and the rights of women under sharia law are exactly the same as they are for men.
And it's fine to be semi covered in public, apostles aren't to be punished and mocking Mohamed shouldn't be punishable as he a loving caring individual who doesn't use fear as a method of control Richard II married a 6 year old at 29 a good 500 years after Mohammed.There is a long list of English monarchs marrying 13-16 year olds.Common practice back then.
Also interestingly the pied piper is thought to be a true event.Historians think he was either a maniac paedophile or he was recruiting child soldiers for the crusades and holy war.."To be fair though, millions of people around the world don't worship Richard II as "god's" representative on earth. | |||
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"Probably the same thing it has always done for Turkeys prospective membership of the EU. Fuck all. They are so far off the criteria for membership that it doesn't make any difference. Also, as an aside, what has it got to do with Islam? I mean if I wrote 'UK implements most draconian internet surveillance laws in the Christian world' would that seem odd to you? I mean it is likely factually correct, but what would Christianity have to do with it? -Matt l'd ask you in what way we are now a Christian country? We are secular. Actually we are not secular ..yes its leaning more to secular than ever but we are a kingdom still and at the head of that sits the queen as head of state ..a christian state which she promises to protect just putting that out there
I agree in the last census 64 per cent of this island kingdom said they were Christian only a small percentage said they had no religion.."Between 2001 and 2011 there has been a decrease in people who identify as Christian (from 71.7 per cent to 59.3 per cent) and an increase in those reporting no religion (from 14.8 per cent to 25.1 per cent). | |||
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"Probably the same thing it has always done for Turkeys prospective membership of the EU. Fuck all. They are so far off the criteria for membership that it doesn't make any difference. Also, as an aside, what has it got to do with Islam? I mean if I wrote 'UK implements most draconian internet surveillance laws in the Christian world' would that seem odd to you? I mean it is likely factually correct, but what would Christianity have to do with it? -Matt l'd ask you in what way we are now a Christian country? We are secular. Actually we are not secular ..yes its leaning more to secular than ever but we are a kingdom still and at the head of that sits the queen as head of state ..a christian state which she promises to protect just putting that out there
I agree in the last census 64 per cent of this island kingdom said they were Christian only a small percentage said they had no religion.. Between 2001 and 2011 there has been a decrease in people who identify as Christian (from 71.7 per cent to 59.3 per cent) and an increase in those reporting no religion (from 14.8 per cent to 25.1 per cent). "I am going by the last census which would be the most accurate of polls, yet those that said they had no religion were still a minority, hence disproving this island nation is secular | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
I've read the Greek fables and the pied piper, they're similar but with a lot less death and destruction
So Mohammed marrying a child isn't true either
And FGM and the rights of women under sharia law are exactly the same as they are for men.
And it's fine to be semi covered in public, apostles aren't to be punished and mocking Mohamed shouldn't be punishable as he a loving caring individual who doesn't use fear as a method of control Richard II married a 6 year old at 29 a good 500 years after Mohammed.There is a long list of English monarchs marrying 13-16 year olds.Common practice back then.
Also interestingly the pied piper is thought to be a true event.Historians think he was either a maniac paedophile or he was recruiting child soldiers for the crusades and holy war..
To be fair though, millions of people around the world don't worship Richard II as "god's" representative on earth."But they do the Pope.... | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
"Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS ! Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical! Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling ! Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ? I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran ! It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"! Are you a muslim ? I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking ! You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam ! More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
I've read the Greek fables and the pied piper, they're similar but with a lot less death and destruction
So Mohammed marrying a child isn't true either
And FGM and the rights of women under sharia law are exactly the same as they are for men.
And it's fine to be semi covered in public, apostles aren't to be punished and mocking Mohamed shouldn't be punishable as he a loving caring individual who doesn't use fear as a method of control Richard II married a 6 year old at 29 a good 500 years after Mohammed.There is a long list of English monarchs marrying 13-16 year olds.Common practice back then.
Also interestingly the pied piper is thought to be a true event.Historians think he was either a maniac paedophile or he was recruiting child soldiers for the crusades and holy war.."Are there people alive that nigh-on worship Richard the II and have formed a cult around him and use him marrying a 6 year old child as license to so the same? Your defense of Mohammed is essentially : Here's a white, blue eyed bloke who did it too. You've missed the point completely. | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
Are you a muslim ?
I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking !
You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam !
More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
Mmmm.... maybe you are lacking both ..."You've managed to outdo yourself again, Tony. There are millions of random quotes you can use from the bible to justify just about anything. I'm sure that the Koran is much the same. The point is, that not all Muslims are fanatical terrorists, bent on slaughter and/or forced conversion, just like not all Christans are. Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Allah? Of course. Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Christ? Definitley. There is a world of difference between disliking Islam (the political organisation) and Muslims (the followers of it), and you could do the same with "The Church" and "Christians" I, as you may have guessed am an atheist and I have no love for religion in general, and especially not the Abrahamic ones. However, this does not mean that I support the persecution of all Muslims, Jews or Christians based on the fact that they have a religion. Perhaps this notion is too subtle for you? | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
I've read the Greek fables and the pied piper, they're similar but with a lot less death and destruction
So Mohammed marrying a child isn't true either
And FGM and the rights of women under sharia law are exactly the same as they are for men.
And it's fine to be semi covered in public, apostles aren't to be punished and mocking Mohamed shouldn't be punishable as he a loving caring individual who doesn't use fear as a method of control Richard II married a 6 year old at 29 a good 500 years after Mohammed.There is a long list of English monarchs marrying 13-16 year olds.Common practice back then.
Also interestingly the pied piper is thought to be a true event.Historians think he was either a maniac paedophile or he was recruiting child soldiers for the crusades and holy war..
Are there people alive that nigh-on worship Richard the II and have formed a cult around him and use him marrying a 6 year old child as license to so the same?
Your defense of Mohammed is essentially : Here's a white, blue eyed bloke who did it too.
You've missed the point completely."Nobody was defending Mohamed, they were merely pointing out that some things that we find repulsive today were accepted centuries ago. You've missed the point completely, but then, you often intend to. | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
Are you a muslim ?
I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking !
You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam !
More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
Mmmm.... maybe you are lacking both ...
You've managed to outdo yourself again, Tony.
There are millions of random quotes you can use from the bible to justify just about anything.
I'm sure that the Koran is much the same.
The point is, that not all Muslims are fanatical terrorists, bent on slaughter and/or forced conversion, just like not all Christans are.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Allah? Of course.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Christ? Definitley.
There is a world of difference between disliking Islam (the political organisation) and Muslims (the followers of it), and you could do the same with "The Church" and "Christians"
I, as you may have guessed am an atheist and I have no love for religion in general, and especially not the Abrahamic ones.
However, this does not mean that I support the persecution of all Muslims, Jews or Christians based on the fact that they have a religion.
Perhaps this notion is too subtle for you?"If you think that Islam is as benign as Christianity has been in the last few centuries then you are must be being satirical...surely? Like a performance? A left wing caricature? A leftist equivalent of Alf Garnet? | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
Are you a muslim ?
I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking !
You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam !
More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
Mmmm.... maybe you are lacking both ...
You've managed to outdo yourself again, Tony.
There are millions of random quotes you can use from the bible to justify just about anything.
I'm sure that the Koran is much the same.
The point is, that not all Muslims are fanatical terrorists, bent on slaughter and/or forced conversion, just like not all Christans are.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Allah? Of course.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Christ? Definitley.
There is a world of difference between disliking Islam (the political organisation) and Muslims (the followers of it), and you could do the same with "The Church" and "Christians"
I, as you may have guessed am an atheist and I have no love for religion in general, and especially not the Abrahamic ones.
However, this does not mean that I support the persecution of all Muslims, Jews or Christians based on the fact that they have a religion.
Perhaps this notion is too subtle for you?
If you think that Islam is as benign as Christianity has been in the last few centuries then you are must be being satirical...surely? Like a performance? A left wing caricature? A leftist equivalent of Alf Garnet?"Oooo look, you missed the point again. It's almost like you do it on purpose to push some sort of agenda... | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
I've read the Greek fables and the pied piper, they're similar but with a lot less death and destruction
So Mohammed marrying a child isn't true either
And FGM and the rights of women under sharia law are exactly the same as they are for men.
And it's fine to be semi covered in public, apostles aren't to be punished and mocking Mohamed shouldn't be punishable as he a loving caring individual who doesn't use fear as a method of control Richard II married a 6 year old at 29 a good 500 years after Mohammed.There is a long list of English monarchs marrying 13-16 year olds.Common practice back then.
Also interestingly the pied piper is thought to be a true event.Historians think he was either a maniac paedophile or he was recruiting child soldiers for the crusades and holy war..
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
Are you a muslim ?
I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking !
You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam !
More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
Mmmm.... maybe you are lacking both ...
You've managed to outdo yourself again, Tony.
There are millions of random quotes you can use from the bible to justify just about anything.
I'm sure that the Koran is much the same.
The point is, that not all Muslims are fanatical terrorists, bent on slaughter and/or forced conversion, just like not all Christans are.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Allah? Of course.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Christ? Definitley.
There is a world of difference between disliking Islam (the political organisation) and Muslims (the followers of it), and you could do the same with "The Church" and "Christians"
I, as you may have guessed am an atheist and I have no love for religion in general, and especially not the Abrahamic ones.
However, this does not mean that I support the persecution of all Muslims, Jews or Christians based on the fact that they have a religion.
Perhaps this notion is too subtle for you?"Now Jimmy , lets see ! I have outdone myself ? !!!
Surely its a Freudian lapse on your part!
You Post a whole lot statements that you assume I think or defend like :
" There are millions of random quotes you can use from the bible to justify just about anything.
I'm sure that the Koran is much the same.
The point is, that not all Muslims are fanatical terrorists, bent on slaughter and/or forced conversion, just like not all Christans are.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Allah? Of course.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Christ? Definitley. There is a world of difference between disliking Islam (the political organisation) and Muslims (the followers of it), and you could do the same with "The Church" and "Christians"
Please show me where I posted anything related to what you are suggesting I think or posted ?
In fact I actually agree with most of what you posted ....but !
Either you missed the point , or actually didn't bother to read what I wrote !
So for your benefit I will copy paste what I wrote before :
"When Christians perpetrate bloodshed, it goes against the tolerance and forgiveness of the scriptures ! Thus they violate them !
When muslims shed blood of infidels they are doing it obedience and in accordance to the scripture of their religion ! "
So tell me ... what is wrong with that statement ?
While I don't consider myself an atheist, I am very carefull about the mix and influence of any religion in everyday life , and more so when mixed with politics !
"However, this does not mean that I support the persecution of all Muslims, Jews or Christians based on the fact that they have a religion. "
I agree ! But Criticism does not equate to persecution !
Neither is taking a stand and establishing limits when any given religion starts to interfere with the politics and values of a given nation !
Now...does any religion come to mind ?
I will give you a hint ...Sharia , Burcas , alcohol free zones.....
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
Are you a muslim ?
I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking !
You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam !
More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
Mmmm.... maybe you are lacking both ...
You've managed to outdo yourself again, Tony.
There are millions of random quotes you can use from the bible to justify just about anything.
I'm sure that the Koran is much the same.
The point is, that not all Muslims are fanatical terrorists, bent on slaughter and/or forced conversion, just like not all Christans are.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Allah? Of course.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Christ? Definitley.
There is a world of difference between disliking Islam (the political organisation) and Muslims (the followers of it), and you could do the same with "The Church" and "Christians"
I, as you may have guessed am an atheist and I have no love for religion in general, and especially not the Abrahamic ones.
However, this does not mean that I support the persecution of all Muslims, Jews or Christians based on the fact that they have a religion.
Perhaps this notion is too subtle for you?
If you think that Islam is as benign as Christianity has been in the last few centuries then you are must be being satirical...surely? Like a performance? A left wing caricature? A leftist equivalent of Alf Garnet?
Oooo look, you missed the point again.
It's almost like you do it on purpose to push some sort of agenda... "How many kebab shops manned by low skilled operatives do we actually need, and why can't curry chefs be trained in the UK, why do we need to import chefs from Bangladesh and Pakistan when we have many 2nd 3rd generation here | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
Are you a muslim ?
I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking !
You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam !
More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
Mmmm.... maybe you are lacking both ...
You've managed to outdo yourself again, Tony.
There are millions of random quotes you can use from the bible to justify just about anything.
I'm sure that the Koran is much the same.
The point is, that not all Muslims are fanatical terrorists, bent on slaughter and/or forced conversion, just like not all Christans are.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Allah? Of course.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Christ? Definitley.
There is a world of difference between disliking Islam (the political organisation) and Muslims (the followers of it), and you could do the same with "The Church" and "Christians"
I, as you may have guessed am an atheist and I have no love for religion in general, and especially not the Abrahamic ones.
However, this does not mean that I support the persecution of all Muslims, Jews or Christians based on the fact that they have a religion.
Perhaps this notion is too subtle for you?
Now Jimmy , lets see !
I have outdone myself ? !!!
Surely its a Freudian lapse on your part!
You Post a whole lot statements that you assume I think or defend like :
" There are millions of random quotes you can use from the bible to justify just about anything.
I'm sure that the Koran is much the same.
The point is, that not all Muslims are fanatical terrorists, bent on slaughter and/or forced conversion, just like not all Christans are.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Allah? Of course.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Christ? Definitley. There is a world of difference between disliking Islam (the political organisation) and Muslims (the followers of it), and you could do the same with "The Church" and "Christians"
Please show me where I posted anything related to what you are suggesting I think or posted ?
In fact I actually agree with most of what you posted ....but !
Either you missed the point , or actually didn't bother to read what I wrote !
So for your benefit I will copy paste what I wrote before :
"When Christians perpetrate bloodshed, it goes against the tolerance and forgiveness of the scriptures ! Thus they violate them !
When muslims shed blood of infidels they are doing it obedience and in accordance to the scripture of their religion ! "
So tell me ... what is wrong with that statement ?
While I don't consider myself an atheist, I am very carefull about the mix and influence of any religion in everyday life , and more so when mixed with politics !
"However, this does not mean that I support the persecution of all Muslims, Jews or Christians based on the fact that they have a religion. "
I agree ! But Criticism does not equate to persecution !
Neither is taking a stand and establishing limits when any given religion starts to interfere with the politics and values of a given nation !
Now...does any religion come to mind ?
I will give you a hint ...Sharia , Burcas , alcohol free zones.....
Hope its not too subtle for you "You do realise that large parts of Wales were alcohol free zones on a Sunday, thanks to the temperance movement, don't you? Christianity is hardly misogyny free, is it? | |||
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" How many kebab shops manned by low skilled operatives do we actually need, and why can't curry chefs be trained in the UK, why do we need to import chefs from Bangladesh and Pakistan when we have many 2nd 3rd generation here" I don't really even think that this merits a response. But I'm going to quote it for posterity.... | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
Are you a muslim ?
I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking !
You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam !
More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
Mmmm.... maybe you are lacking both ...
You've managed to outdo yourself again, Tony.
There are millions of random quotes you can use from the bible to justify just about anything.
I'm sure that the Koran is much the same.
The point is, that not all Muslims are fanatical terrorists, bent on slaughter and/or forced conversion, just like not all Christans are.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Allah? Of course.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Christ? Definitley.
There is a world of difference between disliking Islam (the political organisation) and Muslims (the followers of it), and you could do the same with "The Church" and "Christians"
I, as you may have guessed am an atheist and I have no love for religion in general, and especially not the Abrahamic ones.
However, this does not mean that I support the persecution of all Muslims, Jews or Christians based on the fact that they have a religion.
Perhaps this notion is too subtle for you?
Now Jimmy , lets see !
I have outdone myself ? !!!
Surely its a Freudian lapse on your part!
You Post a whole lot statements that you assume I think or defend like :
" There are millions of random quotes you can use from the bible to justify just about anything.
I'm sure that the Koran is much the same.
The point is, that not all Muslims are fanatical terrorists, bent on slaughter and/or forced conversion, just like not all Christans are.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Allah? Of course.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Christ? Definitley. There is a world of difference between disliking Islam (the political organisation) and Muslims (the followers of it), and you could do the same with "The Church" and "Christians"
Please show me where I posted anything related to what you are suggesting I think or posted ?
In fact I actually agree with most of what you posted ....but !
Either you missed the point , or actually didn't bother to read what I wrote !
So for your benefit I will copy paste what I wrote before :
"When Christians perpetrate bloodshed, it goes against the tolerance and forgiveness of the scriptures ! Thus they violate them !
When muslims shed blood of infidels they are doing it obedience and in accordance to the scripture of their religion ! "
So tell me ... what is wrong with that statement ?
While I don't consider myself an atheist, I am very carefull about the mix and influence of any religion in everyday life , and more so when mixed with politics !
"However, this does not mean that I support the persecution of all Muslims, Jews or Christians based on the fact that they have a religion. "
I agree ! But Criticism does not equate to persecution !
Neither is taking a stand and establishing limits when any given religion starts to interfere with the politics and values of a given nation !
Now...does any religion come to mind ?
I will give you a hint ...Sharia , Burcas , alcohol free zones.....
Hope its not too subtle for you
You do realise that large parts of Wales were alcohol free zones on a Sunday, thanks to the temperance movement, don't you?
Christianity is hardly misogyny free, is it?"Yeah I do, use to have to stock up on tins from the co op on a Sunday when we were jet skiing at black rock Dam nice beach though | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
Are you a muslim ?
I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking !
You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam !
More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
Mmmm.... maybe you are lacking both ...
You've managed to outdo yourself again, Tony.
There are millions of random quotes you can use from the bible to justify just about anything.
I'm sure that the Koran is much the same.
The point is, that not all Muslims are fanatical terrorists, bent on slaughter and/or forced conversion, just like not all Christans are.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Allah? Of course.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Christ? Definitley.
There is a world of difference between disliking Islam (the political organisation) and Muslims (the followers of it), and you could do the same with "The Church" and "Christians"
I, as you may have guessed am an atheist and I have no love for religion in general, and especially not the Abrahamic ones.
However, this does not mean that I support the persecution of all Muslims, Jews or Christians based on the fact that they have a religion.
Perhaps this notion is too subtle for you?
Now Jimmy , lets see !
I have outdone myself ? !!!
Surely its a Freudian lapse on your part!
You Post a whole lot statements that you assume I think or defend like :
" There are millions of random quotes you can use from the bible to justify just about anything.
I'm sure that the Koran is much the same.
The point is, that not all Muslims are fanatical terrorists, bent on slaughter and/or forced conversion, just like not all Christans are.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Allah? Of course.
Have there been atrocities commited in the name of Christ? Definitley. There is a world of difference between disliking Islam (the political organisation) and Muslims (the followers of it), and you could do the same with "The Church" and "Christians"
Please show me where I posted anything related to what you are suggesting I think or posted ?
In fact I actually agree with most of what you posted ....but !
Either you missed the point , or actually didn't bother to read what I wrote !
So for your benefit I will copy paste what I wrote before :
"When Christians perpetrate bloodshed, it goes against the tolerance and forgiveness of the scriptures ! Thus they violate them !
When muslims shed blood of infidels they are doing it obedience and in accordance to the scripture of their religion ! "
So tell me ... what is wrong with that statement ?
While I don't consider myself an atheist, I am very carefull about the mix and influence of any religion in everyday life , and more so when mixed with politics !
"However, this does not mean that I support the persecution of all Muslims, Jews or Christians based on the fact that they have a religion. "
I agree ! But Criticism does not equate to persecution !
Neither is taking a stand and establishing limits when any given religion starts to interfere with the politics and values of a given nation !
Now...does any religion come to mind ?
I will give you a hint ...Sharia , Burcas , alcohol free zones.....
Hope its not too subtle for you
You do realise that large parts of Wales were alcohol free zones on a Sunday, thanks to the temperance movement, don't you?
Christianity is hardly misogyny free, is it?"Again ! Did I say it was ? You Keep not reading what I write , or....you are deflecting , and not wanting to concede the point ! If you READ what I wrote , you would notice that I mentioned my reservation with ANY religion !
That said , some are bigger offenders then others !
And lets not forget that some religions should get more... leeway as they constitute a part of the base values of our European Western societies !
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
"Actually I have read parts of the Quran and the Bible to. I have copies of both. I don't believe that Islam, like any other religion, is only a religion of piece. It's nuanced and, like Christianity, can be used to argue for both piece or "justifiable" war " Are you a muslim ? " No, are you? " I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking ! You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam ! " Total rubbish. I've never supported harsh or unjustified criticism of Christianity or any other religion. Intact quite the opposite. I've had many discussion on these forums in the past where I have argued strongly in defence of Christianity and the values It's meant, and for most Christians it does, support. Try using the green arrow sometimes before you make assumptions. " More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
"I didn't use the term right wingers. I'm right wing myself. I used the term islamophobic (fear of Islam) which I'm definitely not but you seem to be. " Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
Actually I have read parts of the Quran and the Bible to. I have copies of both.
I don't believe that Islam, like any other religion, is only a religion of piece. It's nuanced and, like Christianity, can be used to argue for both piece or "justifiable" war
Are you a muslim ?
No, are you?
I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking !
You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam !
Total rubbish. I've never supported harsh or unjustified criticism of Christianity or any other religion. Intact quite the opposite. I've had many discussion on these forums in the past where I have argued strongly in defence of Christianity and the values
It's meant, and for most Christians it does, support. Try using the green arrow sometimes before you make assumptions.
More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
I didn't use the term right wingers. I'm right wing myself. I used the term islamophobic (fear of Islam) which I'm definitely not but you seem to be.
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
Mmmm.... maybe you are lacking both ...
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This time you at least addressed some of the issues head on !
Now, lets clarify some of your replies :
"Actually I have read parts of the Quran and the Bible to. I have copies of both."
It seems you missed the parts of the kuran that mention and classify who are worthy !
"I don't believe that Islam, like any other religion, is only a religion of piece. It's nuanced and, like Christianity, can be used to argue for both piece or "justifiable" war"
While the kuran advocates Jihad (holy war) where does the bible do the same ?
While you say you you support Christian values , on this thread you have supported views on posts of others that are against them .
"I didn't use the term right wingers. I'm right wing myself. I used the term islamophobic (fear of Islam) which I'm definitely not but you seem to be."
Really ?
So what did you mean when you wrote this ?
"This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites."
And by the way ! Personally I am not afraid of islam , but I find it important to draw attention to the fact that it is a dangerous religion based on its base principles , and the effect its having on our time, an the threat it poses to our civilisation !
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"Charles Spurgeon (1834–1892) declared: ‘There is not land beneath the sun where there is an open Bible and a preached gospel, where a tyrant long can hold his place … Let the Bible be opened to be read by all men, and no tyrant can long rule in peace. England owes her freedom to the Bible... The religion of Jesus makes men think, and to make men think is always dangerous to a despot’s power.’9 " Just because someone talked out of their arse a century ago, doesn't make it any less a load of bollocks today. | |||
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"Charles Spurgeon (1834–1892) declared: ‘There is not land beneath the sun where there is an open Bible and a preached gospel, where a tyrant long can hold his place … Let the Bible be opened to be read by all men, and no tyrant can long rule in peace. England owes her freedom to the Bible... The religion of Jesus makes men think, and to make men think is always dangerous to a despot’s power.’9 Just because someone talked out of their arse a century ago, doesn't make it any less a load of bollocks today." Pretty much my view on religious texts! -Matt | |||
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"Charles Spurgeon (1834–1892) declared: ‘There is not land beneath the sun where there is an open Bible and a preached gospel, where a tyrant long can hold his place … Let the Bible be opened to be read by all men, and no tyrant can long rule in peace. England owes her freedom to the Bible... The religion of Jesus makes men think, and to make men think is always dangerous to a despot’s power.’9 Just because someone talked out of their arse a century ago, doesn't make it any less a load of bollocks today." Falling out of a womb talking through the arse, these are truly amazing skills for any human | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
Actually I have read parts of the Quran and the Bible to. I have copies of both.
I don't believe that Islam, like any other religion, is only a religion of piece. It's nuanced and, like Christianity, can be used to argue for both piece or "justifiable" war
Are you a muslim ?
No, are you?
I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking !
You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam !
Total rubbish. I've never supported harsh or unjustified criticism of Christianity or any other religion. In fact quite the opposite. I've had many discussion on these forums in the past where I have argued strongly in defence of Christianity and the values ite meant, and for most Christians it does, support. Try using the green arrow sometimes before you make assumptions.
More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
I didn't use the term right wingers. I'm right wing myself. I used the term islamophobic (fear of Islam) which I'm definitely not but you seem to be.
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
Mmmm.... maybe you are lacking both ...
This time you at least addressed some of the issues head on !
Now, lets clarify some of your replies :
"Actually I have read parts of the Quran and the Bible to. I have copies of both."
It seems you missed the parts of the kuran that mention and classify who are worthy !
"I don't believe that Islam, like any other religion, is only a religion of piece. It's nuanced and, like Christianity, can be used to argue for both piece or "justifiable" war"
While the kuran advocates Jihad (holy war) where does the bible do the same ?
"Leviticus 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death. You may claim that that is Old Testiment but it's still Canon and relevant and the scripture from the New Testament that makes all Old Testiment relevant is: Mathew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. " While you say you you support Christian values , on this thread you have supported views on posts of others that are against them . " I have not, and do not, support the comments made by any in relation to 'Imaginary Sky Gods' or other such statements. I do however respect their right to believe that that is the basis of all Abrahamic believe systems. On another thread I may, and have, argued with them on why I believe they are wrong. I have also argued with Muslims on here and other sites as to why I believe they are wrong also. But this thread is mainly about tolerance and intolerance and and whether it's acceptable or right to group all people of one faith (namely Muslims) together as a whole and condemn them all for the actions and beliefs of a few. On this thread I agree with those who say it's wrong. " "I didn't use the term right wingers. I'm right wing myself. I used the term islamophobic (fear of Islam) which I'm definitely not but you seem to be." Really ? So what did you mean when you wrote this ? "This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites." " So show me where I say anything about ignorant right wingers. I don't. The fact that Britain First and English Defence League are extreme right wing and very right wing is not my point here today; my point is is that they are both islamophobic. " And by the way ! Personally I am not afraid of islam , but I find it important to draw attention to the fact that it is a dangerous religion based on its base principles , and the effect its having on our time, an the threat it poses to our civilisation ! Fear does not equate to awareness ! "You say you're not afraid of Islam and yet you want to draw everyone's attention to this dangerous religion. That's some what non sequitur. Either you believe it to be a dangerous; in which case you should fear it, or you don't really fear it; in which case you can not truly say that you perceive it to be dangerous. | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
Actually I have read parts of the Quran and the Bible to. I have copies of both.
I don't believe that Islam, like any other religion, is only a religion of piece. It's nuanced and, like Christianity, can be used to argue for both piece or "justifiable" war
Are you a muslim ?
No, are you?
I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking !
You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam !
Total rubbish. I've never supported harsh or unjustified criticism of Christianity or any other religion. In fact quite the opposite. I've had many discussion on these forums in the past where I have argued strongly in defence of Christianity and the values ite meant, and for most Christians it does, support. Try using the green arrow sometimes before you make assumptions.
More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
I didn't use the term right wingers. I'm right wing myself. I used the term islamophobic (fear of Islam) which I'm definitely not but you seem to be.
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
Mmmm.... maybe you are lacking both ...
This time you at least addressed some of the issues head on !
Now, lets clarify some of your replies :
"Actually I have read parts of the Quran and the Bible to. I have copies of both."
It seems you missed the parts of the kuran that mention and classify who are worthy !
"I don't believe that Islam, like any other religion, is only a religion of piece. It's nuanced and, like Christianity, can be used to argue for both piece or "justifiable" war"
While the kuran advocates Jihad (holy war) where does the bible do the same ?
Leviticus 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
You may claim that that is Old Testiment but it's still Canon and relevant and the scripture from the New Testament that makes all Old Testiment relevant is:
Mathew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
While you say you you support Christian values , on this thread you have supported views on posts of others that are against them .
I have not, and do not, support the comments made by any in relation to 'Imaginary Sky Gods' or other such statements. I do however respect their right to believe that that is the basis of all Abrahamic believe systems. On another thread I may, and have, argued with them on why I believe they are wrong. I have also argued with Muslims on here and other sites as to why I believe they are wrong also. But this thread is mainly about tolerance and intolerance and and whether it's acceptable or right to group all people of one faith (namely Muslims) together as a whole and condemn them all for the actions and beliefs of a few. On this thread I agree with those who say it's wrong.
"I didn't use the term right wingers. I'm right wing myself. I used the term islamophobic (fear of Islam) which I'm definitely not but you seem to be."
Really ?
So what did you mean when you wrote this ?
"This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites."
So show me where I say anything about ignorant right wingers. I don't. The fact that Britain First and English Defence League are extreme right wing and very right wing is not my point here today; my point is is that they are both islamophobic.
And by the way ! Personally I am not afraid of islam , but I find it important to draw attention to the fact that it is a dangerous religion based on its base principles , and the effect its having on our time, an the threat it poses to our civilisation !
Fear does not equate to awareness !
You say you're not afraid of Islam and yet you want to draw everyone's attention to this dangerous religion. That's some what non sequitur. Either you believe it to be a dangerous; in which case you should fear it, or you don't really fear it; in which case you can not truly say that you perceive it to be dangerous."Lol..... is that your definition , or the way you feel ? Actually you just simply deflecting and creating a diversion from the point ! The Danger of islam ! Dont try and limit the application or definition of the term ! Fear and danger are a relative concepts ! What is dangerous to me might not be to you ! As an example , most people will fear handling a hand grenade ! why ? Because they associate it to destruction and death , and they have not trained to use one ! Now if you have trained to use a grenade, you know it can be dangerous if mishandled , and you have a healthy respect,and conscient of its effects, you will "fear" it in a different way! A lot of people "fear" guns and consider them dangerous ! This is an irrational "fear" Why ! The gun per se is not good or bad , its a tool ! The danger lies in the correct or incorrect handling and use its given ! And that depends on the user....not the tool ! I repeat : "And by the way ! Personally I am not afraid of islam , but I find it important to draw attention to the fact that it is a dangerous religion based on its base principles , and the effect its having on our time, an the threat it poses to our civilisation !" If I was afraid in the sense you are trying to portray ,I would refrain from criticism, and stay silent ! I am merely recognising a threat and thus ready to face and oppose it ! That does not classify as islamophobia ! But what is a phobia? " Definition of phobia : an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation" No ambivalence there !
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"Islam was conceived in the 6th century by an illiterate mediaeval equivalent of a used car salesman as a conquest cult used to bestow a divine conceit upon ostracized and outcast Arab nomads to pillage, destroy and degrade the world for the benefit of a small malevolent elite of hypocritical parasites. It's a cult , one that has turned any nation it has taken root in to an over flowing sewer of corruption, cruelty. The history of it is an orgy of blood and suffering... ...and currently being imported into Europe on an epic and very profitable (for the human traffickers) scale by the followers of the equally destructive religion of political correctness.
Most of the above could equally be applied to the Christian religion and the western empires over the last couple of thousand years..
Strange irony..
No it couldn't. The Nazarene is the example of the Christians : Mohammaned the Muslims .
Let's compare the two,
- Mohammed have more than 8 wives, including his child bride, Aisha - who was 6 at the age of the marriage and 9 at the age of consummation. Jesus had no wife.
- Mohammed waged wars. Slaughtered many people, including the Jewish Banya Quraza tribe. He murdered all the men and boys and enslaved the women and estimated 800 men had their throats slit that day..... Jesus never waged war.
- The elevation of Arabic and pale Arabs over all else. You CANNOT read the Qu'ran in any other language than 6th century Qureshi Arabic, yet over 75% of Muslims are not Arab.
- lslam has no guaranteed salvation, apart from dying in the name of Allah in the cause of Jihad. Christians just need to believe in Jesus.
When you look at the tenants and theology of the religion, things tend to clarify like halal butter and become self evident.
l'm sure stark evidence is not enough to shake you from your leftist narrative that lslam is a peaceful cult of the same ilk as Christianity and that all the ills of the world are due to crusading oil hungry blue eyed Christian men.
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
Actually I have read parts of the Quran and the Bible to. I have copies of both.
I don't believe that Islam, like any other religion, is only a religion of piece. It's nuanced and, like Christianity, can be used to argue for both piece or "justifiable" war
Are you a muslim ?
No, are you?
I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking !
You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam !
Total rubbish. I've never supported harsh or unjustified criticism of Christianity or any other religion. In fact quite the opposite. I've had many discussion on these forums in the past where I have argued strongly in defence of Christianity and the values ite meant, and for most Christians it does, support. Try using the green arrow sometimes before you make assumptions.
More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
I didn't use the term right wingers. I'm right wing myself. I used the term islamophobic (fear of Islam) which I'm definitely not but you seem to be.
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
Mmmm.... maybe you are lacking both ...
This time you at least addressed some of the issues head on !
Now, lets clarify some of your replies :
"Actually I have read parts of the Quran and the Bible to. I have copies of both."
It seems you missed the parts of the kuran that mention and classify who are worthy !
"I don't believe that Islam, like any other religion, is only a religion of piece. It's nuanced and, like Christianity, can be used to argue for both piece or "justifiable" war"
While the kuran advocates Jihad (holy war) where does the bible do the same ?
Leviticus 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
You may claim that that is Old Testiment but it's still Canon and relevant and the scripture from the New Testament that makes all Old Testiment relevant is:
Mathew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
While you say you you support Christian values , on this thread you have supported views on posts of others that are against them .
I have not, and do not, support the comments made by any in relation to 'Imaginary Sky Gods' or other such statements. I do however respect their right to believe that that is the basis of all Abrahamic believe systems. On another thread I may, and have, argued with them on why I believe they are wrong. I have also argued with Muslims on here and other sites as to why I believe they are wrong also. But this thread is mainly about tolerance and intolerance and and whether it's acceptable or right to group all people of one faith (namely Muslims) together as a whole and condemn them all for the actions and beliefs of a few. On this thread I agree with those who say it's wrong.
"I didn't use the term right wingers. I'm right wing myself. I used the term islamophobic (fear of Islam) which I'm definitely not but you seem to be."
Really ?
So what did you mean when you wrote this ?
"This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites."
So show me where I say anything about ignorant right wingers. I don't. The fact that Britain First and English Defence League are extreme right wing and very right wing is not my point here today; my point is is that they are both islamophobic.
And by the way ! Personally I am not afraid of islam , but I find it important to draw attention to the fact that it is a dangerous religion based on its base principles , and the effect its having on our time, an the threat it poses to our civilisation !
Fear does not equate to awareness !
You say you're not afraid of Islam and yet you want to draw everyone's attention to this dangerous religion. That's some what non sequitur. Either you believe it to be a dangerous; in which case you should fear it, or you don't really fear it; in which case you can not truly say that you perceive it to be dangerous."I can spout what ever shit I want, in the same way that you do But thanks for your interest it's appreciated | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
I couldn't agree more with you.
This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites.
Wow ! Put the Craken back in the box , and stop posting BS !
Your "intelligent" conclusion is typical!
Its simplistic and typical of someone that absent valid arguments resorts to simple labelling and name calling !
Since when is Stating facts about islam islamophobic ?
I and other critics of Islam are simply exposing what is written in the Kuran !
It seems its you that has not bothered to read it , and merely believes the false mantra of "the religion of piece"!
Actually I have read parts of the Quran and the Bible to. I have copies of both.
I don't believe that Islam, like any other religion, is only a religion of piece. It's nuanced and, like Christianity, can be used to argue for both piece or "justifiable" war
Are you a muslim ?
No, are you?
I ask because if not, Your double standard is shocking !
You show support for harsh criticism of Christianity , yet speak out when that same is done in regards to islam !
Total rubbish. I've never supported harsh or unjustified criticism of Christianity or any other religion. In fact quite the opposite. I've had many discussion on these forums in the past where I have argued strongly in defence of Christianity and the values ite meant, and for most Christians it does, support. Try using the green arrow sometimes before you make assumptions.
More ..... in you "wise" simpleton view , you accuse posters of being ignorant right wingers !
I didn't use the term right wingers. I'm right wing myself. I used the term islamophobic (fear of Islam) which I'm definitely not but you seem to be.
Why dont you have the balls to actually debate the posters you target and offend?
Or don't you have the brains to do do it Craken ?
Mmmm.... maybe you are lacking both ...
This time you at least addressed some of the issues head on !
Now, lets clarify some of your replies :
"Actually I have read parts of the Quran and the Bible to. I have copies of both."
It seems you missed the parts of the kuran that mention and classify who are worthy !
"I don't believe that Islam, like any other religion, is only a religion of piece. It's nuanced and, like Christianity, can be used to argue for both piece or "justifiable" war"
While the kuran advocates Jihad (holy war) where does the bible do the same ?
Leviticus 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
You may claim that that is Old Testiment but it's still Canon and relevant and the scripture from the New Testament that makes all Old Testiment relevant is:
Mathew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
While you say you you support Christian values , on this thread you have supported views on posts of others that are against them .
I have not, and do not, support the comments made by any in relation to 'Imaginary Sky Gods' or other such statements. I do however respect their right to believe that that is the basis of all Abrahamic believe systems. On another thread I may, and have, argued with them on why I believe they are wrong. I have also argued with Muslims on here and other sites as to why I believe they are wrong also. But this thread is mainly about tolerance and intolerance and and whether it's acceptable or right to group all people of one faith (namely Muslims) together as a whole and condemn them all for the actions and beliefs of a few. On this thread I agree with those who say it's wrong.
"I didn't use the term right wingers. I'm right wing myself. I used the term islamophobic (fear of Islam) which I'm definitely not but you seem to be."
Really ?
So what did you mean when you wrote this ?
"This thread seems to full of nothing more than ignorant and islamophobic posts. I wonder how many making these posts have actually read the Quran or whether they've just been looking at the Britain First and English Defence League web sites."
So show me where I say anything about ignorant right wingers. I don't. The fact that Britain First and English Defence League are extreme right wing and very right wing is not my point here today; my point is is that they are both islamophobic.
And by the way ! Personally I am not afraid of islam , but I find it important to draw attention to the fact that it is a dangerous religion based on its base principles , and the effect its having on our time, an the threat it poses to our civilisation !
Fear does not equate to awareness !
You say you're not afraid of Islam and yet you want to draw everyone's attention to this dangerous religion. That's some what non sequitur. Either you believe it to be a dangerous; in which case you should fear it, or you don't really fear it; in which case you can not truly say that you perceive it to be dangerous.
Lol..... is that your definition , or the way you feel ?
Actually you just simply deflecting and creating a diversion from the point ! The Danger of islam !
Dont try and limit the application or definition of the term !
Fear and danger are a relative concepts !
What is dangerous to me might not be to you !
As an example , most people will fear handling a hand grenade ! why ? Because they associate it to destruction and death , and they have not trained to use one ! Now if you have trained to use a grenade, you know it can be dangerous if mishandled , and you have a healthy respect,and conscient of its effects, you will "fear" it in a different way!
A lot of people "fear" guns and consider them dangerous ! This is an irrational "fear" Why !
The gun per se is not good or bad , its a tool ! The danger lies in the correct or incorrect handling and use its given ! And that depends on the user....not the tool !
I repeat :
"And by the way ! Personally I am not afraid of islam , but I find it important to draw attention to the fact that it is a dangerous religion based on its base principles , and the effect its having on our time, an the threat it poses to our civilisation !"
If I was afraid in the sense you are trying to portray ,I would refrain from criticism, and stay silent !
I am merely recognising a threat and thus ready to face and oppose it !
That does not classify as islamophobia !
But what is a phobia?
"
Definition of phobia
: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation"
No ambivalence there !
Do you still classify me as islamophobic ? "Wowww a fabulous answer, I wish my understanding was as good as yours, get in  | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here."Your right about one thing..if you call raiding India, causing thousands of deaths in a famine in India...murdering thousands of Indians, stealing their kohinoor jewel, and then fleeing defeated from India a success, then you got to take it, when indians come over here..we fucked up their country, now they are coming over here. End of. | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here.
Your right about one thing..if you call raiding India, causing thousands of deaths in a famine in India...murdering thousands of Indians, stealing their kohinoor jewel, and then fleeing defeated from India a success, then you got to take it, when indians come over here..we fucked up their country, now they are coming over here. End of.
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here.
Your right about one thing..if you call raiding India, causing thousands of deaths in a famine in India...murdering thousands of Indians, stealing their kohinoor jewel, and then fleeing defeated from India a success, then you got to take it, when indians come over here..we fucked up their country, now they are coming over here. End of.
Quite.
India was the 6th most wealthy nation on the globe until we arrived and asset stripped it."As did the Romans and Normans "asset strip" England and Wales. Fortunes come and go, but important thing is what you do with it when you have it. Take a look at the discoveries and innovations the UK have made that have benefited the whole world, including India. Just the discovery of the smallpox vaccine alone would have saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of Indians, and that's just one thing. | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here.
Your right about one thing..if you call raiding India, causing thousands of deaths in a famine in India...murdering thousands of Indians, stealing their kohinoor jewel, and then fleeing defeated from India a success, then you got to take it, when indians come over here..we fucked up their country, now they are coming over here. End of.
Quite.
India was the 6th most wealthy nation on the globe until we arrived and asset stripped it."Yep it's them British they ruined the world for sure, so we left it with out any assets or a future. Them Indian tech giants must be totally confused, and does TATA now they have no assets as we nicked everything | |||
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" Any person that puts the imagined needs of an invisible being before the real needs of a actual human being is simply not trustworthy. As for Ramadam - how fucking ridiculous and archaic is that? Most religions have "grown up" and embraced the 21st century to a certain extent. Has Islam? I see no evidence. you could say the same of judaism.... or sikhism...... or buddhism...... do you people share the same hate for them? or is it just exclusive..... Ok, I'll give you the chance to prove your statement. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Sikh in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Buddhist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Jew in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Methodist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a 7th Day Adventist in the name of their god/gods. Name me the last occasion where multiple murders of innocent citizens in a European city have been committed by a Evangelist in the name of their god/gods. i see what you did there....... see.....that's very very clever...... but i noticed you missed out two though catholics........ and protestants...... any reason why? I like the way that only non-murderous Christian sects were mentioned, but Islam is lumped as a whole. That is the problem Jimmy , islam is lumped as a whole because of its base principals and core values ! Its not about interpretation , its about application ! Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy ! Islam does not ! Submit , convert or die ! So Jimmy...no comparison is even remotely possible ! Talking absolute shit again tony .Joshua was a genocidal maniac who cut the throats of all the men and boys he conquered.The women had a worst fate but thats old testamant and apparently once jesus arrived the blood lust and conquest stopped.Get fucking real tony.
You forgot about the crusades and the spanish inquisition.All those midwives burnt at the stake for being witches .Shall we discuss the crimes against humanity that occured in the new world at the hands of Catholic missionaries.
Im not surprised _abio fucked off .Talking to drooling fuckwits does become tiresome..
Good deflection Bob !
But you are diverting the issue !
I never said anywhere that Christians , or the god of the old testament were saints did I ?
My point was simple ;
" Its not about interpretation , its about application !
Christianism includes principles of forgiveness tolerance ....turn the other cheek , and love thy enemy !
Islam does not ! "
Those principles are there as part of the base doctrine, even if they were violated by the groups you mentioned !
Not the case with islam is it ?
So BOB .... dont divert attention by attempting to suggest I conveniently forgot other facts ! No deflection at all tony just pointing you are incorrect about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Christanity is also a religon of conquest and untold bloodshed in the name of their god.Right up to modern day. Just pointing out you are being selective and dishonest. .. I added the emojis as i know you like them.
I'm relatively certain we, the British established an empire in the name of "God and the King/Queen" which included rather a lot of bloodshed and one example of genocide.
That's a very weak comparison - those events were many centuries ago, and the success of the British Empire is the very reason the buggers want to come here.
Your right about one thing..if you call raiding India, causing thousands of deaths in a famine in India...murdering thousands of Indians, stealing their kohinoor jewel, and then fleeing defeated from India a success, then you got to take it, when indians come over here..we fucked up their country, now they are coming over here. End of.
Quite.
India was the 6th most wealthy nation on the globe until we arrived and asset stripped it.
As did the Romans and Normans "asset strip" England and Wales. Fortunes come and go, but important thing is what you do with it when you have it. Take a look at the discoveries and innovations the UK have made that have benefited the whole world, including India. Just the discovery of the smallpox vaccine alone would have saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of Indians, and that's just one thing."Ssssh he doesn't like to admit, that life moves on, he's stuck in a time bubble blaming those uncaring Victorian mill owners. Apparently in parts of the UK, men still have to doth their cap as a gloating capitalist conservative walks by | |||
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