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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

This effects everyone. Curious about your views on their polices. There's no need for nastiness. A little bit of respect for others opinions.

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By *bi_scotlandTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

Probably best to post it in the politics forum.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Thanks!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ooo this is a bag of worms! I had a great conversation about politics yesterday at a social meet haha yep that's how well it was going! The lady in question has some very vocal views on the conservatives so best keeping it quiet or you'll never here the end of it trust me!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My problem with the tories is they are elitist.. They never have, and never will consider the working classes downwards. They look down their noses at the sick and disabled and treat them like crap, cutting welfare while handing out tax cuts for the mega rich so they can get richer. They sell off anything thats publicly owned so tbey and their mates can cash in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My problem with the tories is they are elitist.. They never have, and never will consider the working classes downwards. They look down their noses at the sick and disabled and treat them like crap, cutting welfare while handing out tax cuts for the mega rich so they can get richer. They sell off anything thats publicly owned so tbey and their mates can cash in.

"

Utter rubbish. You just believe the propaganda of the Labour Party.

The conservative party encourage progress, whereas the Labour Party stifle it.

Conservative tax policy is as it is to encourage people to work hard and do well for themselves.

Labours high tax agenda actually discourages ambition because you know that if you work hard and do well, they want to take it away from you.

Labour would nationalise everything and not worry about how to pay for it.

The problem is, that such an approach means that they have no other choice but to put up taxes in order to pay for it all.

And another problem that never gets talked about is that if you have a nationalised industry, you also have a nationalised pension responsibility.

And with us all living longer than ever before, the shortfall is growing.

Governments have never been any good at running businesses.

Just look at the NHS. The Labour party think that just throwing endless money at it will make everything ok.

Now I'm not suggesting for one moment that the NHS should be privatised. I am in total agreement that it should be free at the point of use for us all, but, if it was run more like a private company, greater efficiencies would be made, and I don't mean cutting back staff or reducing salaries, but more getting the best deals from suppliers etc.

Private pharmaceutical companies have been ripping off the NHS for donkeys years. Why? Because they can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My problem with the tories is they are elitist.. They never have, and never will consider the working classes downwards. They look down their noses at the sick and disabled and treat them like crap, cutting welfare while handing out tax cuts for the mega rich so they can get richer. They sell off anything thats publicly owned so tbey and their mates can cash in.

Utter rubbish. You just believe the propaganda of the Labour Party.

The conservative party encourage progress, whereas the Labour Party stifle it.

Conservative tax policy is as it is to encourage people to work hard and do well for themselves.

Labours high tax agenda actually discourages ambition because you know that if you work hard and do well, they want to take it away from you.

Labour would nationalise everything and not worry about how to pay for it.

The problem is, that such an approach means that they have no other choice but to put up taxes in order to pay for it all.

And another problem that never gets talked about is that if you have a nationalised industry, you also have a nationalised pension responsibility.

And with us all living longer than ever before, the shortfall is growing.

Governments have never been any good at running businesses.

Just look at the NHS. The Labour party think that just throwing endless money at it will make everything ok.

Now I'm not suggesting for one moment that the NHS should be privatised. I am in total agreement that it should be free at the point of use for us all, but, if it was run more like a private company, greater efficiencies would be made, and I don't mean cutting back staff or reducing salaries, but more getting the best deals from suppliers etc.

Private pharmaceutical companies have been ripping off the NHS for donkeys years. Why? Because they can."

Rubbish!! If you want to believe that tory cobblers (and they count on gullible suckers like you to vote them in) thats your problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My problem with the tories is they are elitist.. They never have, and never will consider the working classes downwards. They look down their noses at the sick and disabled and treat them like crap, cutting welfare while handing out tax cuts for the mega rich so they can get richer. They sell off anything thats publicly owned so tbey and their mates can cash in.

Utter rubbish. You just believe the propaganda of the Labour Party.

The conservative party encourage progress, whereas the Labour Party stifle it.

Conservative tax policy is as it is to encourage people to work hard and do well for themselves.

Labours high tax agenda actually discourages ambition because you know that if you work hard and do well, they want to take it away from you.

Labour would nationalise everything and not worry about how to pay for it.

The problem is, that such an approach means that they have no other choice but to put up taxes in order to pay for it all.

And another problem that never gets talked about is that if you have a nationalised industry, you also have a nationalised pension responsibility.

And with us all living longer than ever before, the shortfall is growing.

Governments have never been any good at running businesses.

Just look at the NHS. The Labour party think that just throwing endless money at it will make everything ok.

Now I'm not suggesting for one moment that the NHS should be privatised. I am in total agreement that it should be free at the point of use for us all, but, if it was run more like a private company, greater efficiencies would be made, and I don't mean cutting back staff or reducing salaries, but more getting the best deals from suppliers etc.

Private pharmaceutical companies have been ripping off the NHS for donkeys years. Why? Because they can."

So I'm going to make a point about tax. Like it or hate it it's kind of needed regardless unless you want to live as a nomad on the steppe.

Pretty sure one philosopher said that taxes ensure civilisation and to what ever degree will always allow settled people to advance and better themselves.

Anyway tangent over. So basically we have three issues that define general elections outside of the economy usually, and those are civil services, and levels of personal taxation, and the deficit/how much money the government intends to spend.

So okay, most people don't want excessive borrowing of money, but also don't want high levels of tax put on them, yet, a large contingent want at the very least, a very efficiently run public health service as well as police and firefighting services.

The problem is, where does the money come from? If the bulk of society want services, yet don't want to put out more money or for thee government to borrow it where does it come from.

Hence, why, as someone who works hard, and earns my money, who also has a lot of debt, I don't mind if I'm taxed more.

We need well funded public services in this country. Tax evasion wont be dealt with thoroughly until the global community acts upon it.

Lowering taxes on big business owners and the wealthy doesn't help, we saw in Ragan's america and thatcher's britain, it just leads to more wealth hoarding.

So you have to ask, what d you want and what does society need.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My problem with the tories is they are elitist.. They never have, and never will consider the working classes downwards. They look down their noses at the sick and disabled and treat them like crap, cutting welfare while handing out tax cuts for the mega rich so they can get richer. They sell off anything thats publicly owned so tbey and their mates can cash in.

Utter rubbish. You just believe the propaganda of the Labour Party.

The conservative party encourage progress, whereas the Labour Party stifle it.

Conservative tax policy is as it is to encourage people to work hard and do well for themselves.

Labours high tax agenda actually discourages ambition because you know that if you work hard and do well, they want to take it away from you.

Labour would nationalise everything and not worry about how to pay for it.

The problem is, that such an approach means that they have no other choice but to put up taxes in order to pay for it all.

And another problem that never gets talked about is that if you have a nationalised industry, you also have a nationalised pension responsibility.

And with us all living longer than ever before, the shortfall is growing.

Governments have never been any good at running businesses.

Just look at the NHS. The Labour party think that just throwing endless money at it will make everything ok.

Now I'm not suggesting for one moment that the NHS should be privatised. I am in total agreement that it should be free at the point of use for us all, but, if it was run more like a private company, greater efficiencies would be made, and I don't mean cutting back staff or reducing salaries, but more getting the best deals from suppliers etc.

Private pharmaceutical companies have been ripping off the NHS for donkeys years. Why? Because they can."

Your last statement just shows what you are and what the tories stand for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My problem with the tories is they are elitist.. They never have, and never will consider the working classes downwards. They look down their noses at the sick and disabled and treat them like crap, cutting welfare while handing out tax cuts for the mega rich so they can get richer. They sell off anything thats publicly owned so tbey and their mates can cash in.

Utter rubbish. You just believe the propaganda of the Labour Party.

The conservative party encourage progress, whereas the Labour Party stifle it.

Conservative tax policy is as it is to encourage people to work hard and do well for themselves.

Labours high tax agenda actually discourages ambition because you know that if you work hard and do well, they want to take it away from you.

Labour would nationalise everything and not worry about how to pay for it.

The problem is, that such an approach means that they have no other choice but to put up taxes in order to pay for it all.

And another problem that never gets talked about is that if you have a nationalised industry, you also have a nationalised pension responsibility.

And with us all living longer than ever before, the shortfall is growing.

Governments have never been any good at running businesses.

Just look at the NHS. The Labour party think that just throwing endless money at it will make everything ok.

Now I'm not suggesting for one moment that the NHS should be privatised. I am in total agreement that it should be free at the point of use for us all, but, if it was run more like a private company, greater efficiencies would be made, and I don't mean cutting back staff or reducing salaries, but more getting the best deals from suppliers etc.

Private pharmaceutical companies have been ripping off the NHS for donkeys years. Why? Because they can.

So I'm going to make a point about tax. Like it or hate it it's kind of needed regardless unless you want to live as a nomad on the steppe.

Pretty sure one philosopher said that taxes ensure civilisation and to what ever degree will always allow settled people to advance and better themselves.

Anyway tangent over. So basically we have three issues that define general elections outside of the economy usually, and those are civil services, and levels of personal taxation, and the deficit/how much money the government intends to spend.

So okay, most people don't want excessive borrowing of money, but also don't want high levels of tax put on them, yet, a large contingent want at the very least, a very efficiently run public health service as well as police and firefighting services.

The problem is, where does the money come from? If the bulk of society want services, yet don't want to put out more money or for thee government to borrow it where does it come from.

Hence, why, as someone who works hard, and earns my money, who also has a lot of debt, I don't mind if I'm taxed more.

We need well funded public services in this country. Tax evasion wont be dealt with thoroughly until the global community acts upon it.

Lowering taxes on big business owners and the wealthy doesn't help, we saw in Ragan's america and thatcher's britain, it just leads to more wealth hoarding.

So you have to ask, what d you want and what does society need."

Exactly.. Society needs the economy functioning for all, not just the rich. Like you say, the hoarder mentality just kills the economy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Also a lot less focused on minorities than other parties, and less politically correct.

All of this is why they're winning by a mile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves."

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent"

Agreed. There are easier ways to allow people to set up your own buisness if thats what you are on about.

Here in Leeds we reduced rent of space in certain areas of the city for local and independant companies to make it easier for people to set up shop.

The biggest limiting factor amoungst young people atleast, is the debt most people have at a young age detering them from taking start up loans.

Oh and lets face it, out competition from internationals is another big deterrent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent"

What a shit attitude. What do you mean at who's expense? If you make a success of yourself isn't it usually because you're providing a service that somebody wants? And possibly to the extent of, horror of horrors, creating jobs for people?

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London


"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

What a shit attitude. What do you mean at who's expense? If you make a success of yourself isn't it usually because you're providing a service that somebody wants? And possibly to the extent of, horror of horrors, creating jobs for people?"

Said the person who earlier admitted to ripping off the health service.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

What a shit attitude. What do you mean at who's expense? If you make a success of yourself isn't it usually because you're providing a service that somebody wants? And possibly to the extent of, horror of horrors, creating jobs for people?"

Creating jobs through your own innovation is great. I dont care what somebody's motivations are really, but I think what the poster way trying to get at was aspects such as abusing the labour market ect.

I mean i'd love to see more independants spring up...but they seem to get outcompeted by national and international companies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Id vote for socially responsible conservatives if they ever show up.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"My problem with the tories is they are elitist.. They never have, and never will consider the working classes downwards. They look down their noses at the sick and disabled and treat them like crap, cutting welfare while handing out tax cuts for the mega rich so they can get richer. They sell off anything thats publicly owned so tbey and their mates can cash in.

Utter rubbish. You just believe the propaganda of the Labour Party.

The conservative party encourage progress, whereas the Labour Party stifle it.

Conservative tax policy is as it is to encourage people to work hard and do well for themselves.

Labours high tax agenda actually discourages ambition because you know that if you work hard and do well, they want to take it away from you.

Labour would nationalise everything and not worry about how to pay for it.

The problem is, that such an approach means that they have no other choice but to put up taxes in order to pay for it all.

And another problem that never gets talked about is that if you have a nationalised industry, you also have a nationalised pension responsibility.

And with us all living longer than ever before, the shortfall is growing.

Governments have never been any good at running businesses.

Just look at the NHS. The Labour party think that just throwing endless money at it will make everything ok.

Now I'm not suggesting for one moment that the NHS should be privatised. I am in total agreement that it should be free at the point of use for us all, but, if it was run more like a private company, greater efficiencies would be made, and I don't mean cutting back staff or reducing salaries, but more getting the best deals from suppliers etc.

Private pharmaceutical companies have been ripping off the NHS for donkeys years. Why? Because they can.

Rubbish!! If you want to believe that tory cobblers (and they count on gullible suckers like you to vote them in) thats your problem."

Talking about gullibility....youve bought into the utter nonsense peddled by the Tories. Please dont start whining when youre the one affected negatively by divisive Tory policy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hate everything that the tories stand for and find it incredible that ppl beleive a word they say ,if they had their way we will be going back to victorian times children starving,ppl working for crap pay while the rich get richer oh hold on we are already like that now ,get the bstrds out now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My problem with the tories is they are elitist.. They never have, and never will consider the working classes downwards. They look down their noses at the sick and disabled and treat them like crap, cutting welfare while handing out tax cuts for the mega rich so they can get richer. They sell off anything thats publicly owned so tbey and their mates can cash in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hate everything that the tories stand for and find it incredible that ppl beleive a word they say ,if they had their way we will be going back to victorian times children starving,ppl working for crap pay while the rich get richer oh hold on we are already like that now ,get the bstrds out now "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone remember what the OP said about respecting others opinions?

That implies no personal attacks.

Anyone else notice the obvious left wing attacks against any comments made in support of the Conservatives have come from faceless silhouetes.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Anyone remember what the OP said about respecting others opinions?

That implies no personal attacks.

Anyone else notice the obvious left wing attacks against any comments made in support of the Conservatives have come from faceless silhouetes."

Okay then... here is a political question from someone who isn't faceless.... if we are all in this together based on austerity... how can the conservatives justify cutting taxes for those at the top... whilst cutting welfare for those at the bottom?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyone remember what the OP said about respecting others opinions?

That implies no personal attacks.

Anyone else notice the obvious left wing attacks against any comments made in support of the Conservatives have come from faceless silhouetes."

People will belive what they want to belive. People with a closed mind will always belive to joke propaganda that the Tories do not care about the working class.

Under a Tory government my dad was able to break from the labour and union shackles to go self-employed. Meaning he was able to fully provide for his family. Working class made good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyone remember what the OP said about respecting others opinions?

That implies no personal attacks.

Anyone else notice the obvious left wing attacks against any comments made in support of the Conservatives have come from faceless silhouetes.

Okay then... here is a political question from someone who isn't faceless.... if we are all in this together based on austerity... how can the conservatives justify cutting taxes for those at the top... whilst cutting welfare for those at the bottom?"

Their "justification " (I'm using your word here) is that for many, remaining on benefits gave them more money than working full time. There were plenty extreme examples of this. (Rent free in six bedroom houses and benefit incomes as high as 40k).

So a 'cap' on benefits together with raising the minimum wage significantly ahead of Labours previous plans and raising annually the tax threshold has made working more lucrative. I'll leave any arguments as to the "balance" of these effects. I'm pointing out facts to answer the question...not making a judgement.

I've seen the effect of disability benefit changes too. In both directions. One person I know, we all said was "swinging the lead"... was re-assessed, had benefits cut and it basically gave her a kick up the arse...three weeks later she was working full time.

Another friend, badly physically disabled in a car crash was re-assessed and moved onto a higher rate. It does work both ways.

These are just two real examples. They may not be typical, and I'm sure the system doesn't work for everyone...systems are like that.

I'm just answering Fabios question without passing judgement. I'll leave the rest of you to argue and take cheap shots at each other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Under a Tory Govt workers/union rights will always be under threat. Mass unemployment and zero hour contracts are the Tories dream scenario...When Mrs May passes a law that does not favour the richer, the Employer the tax dodger, the shareholder.

Even once passes a law that gives us a sense that she truly is on our side i may believe, but history is not on her side.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

What a shit attitude. What do you mean at who's expense? If you make a success of yourself isn't it usually because you're providing a service that somebody wants? And possibly to the extent of, horror of horrors, creating jobs for people?

Creating jobs through your own innovation is great. I dont care what somebody's motivations are really, but I think what the poster way trying to get at was aspects such as abusing the labour market ect.

I mean i'd love to see more independants spring up...but they seem to get outcompeted by national and international companies. "
.

Thats because we no longer (and haven't for awhile) used capitalism!.

Were living in the age of corporatocracy and cronieism.

Interest rates need to be at a level that encourages savings and then give you some decent return back on those savings to give you your capital for your capitalism.

And when you fuck up having a go at making money or get out competed by a smaller more efficient company you have to go bust not be bailed out with tax breaks and regulation change.

And most importantly? when and if you give your hard earned tax dodged dosh to a hedge fund or bank and they go tits..

You really really need to lose it all along with them!. Or youll get where we are today

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

seems to me alot of people have forgot that the last labour goverment left the country skint and if they get in again it will be spend spend spend again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"seems to me alot of people have forgot that the last labour goverment left the country skint and if they get in again it will be spend spend spend again."
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This is no defence of any party but..I dont have a problem with spending, the Chinese government spends plenty big, its not done them any harm.

The difference is what we spend big money on.

I mean look at the countries that were forbidden from rearming like Germany and Japan, they did rather well.

Look at China who keeps their nose out of foreign wars, they do rather well.

They get to spend big money on Infrastructure that gains there economy for all, we seem to spend so much money on stupid foreign bullshit that we only have enough left to spend on the top half and then cross our fingers that it trickles down.

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

I'm classed as a civil servant. It's not my primary job title, but I work under that banner.

Within my function I see money wasted on a daily basis. Facilities management contract. We pay for a contract. They come along and change a light bulb. It has to be done on a 2 hour job because it's an emergency (a residential building). They charge me £45 for a lightbulb. They charge me £80 for an emergency call out fee. They charge me the travel cost of the 'engineer' who had to come from London to change said lightbulb. They charge me the standard fee for a job. For a lightbulb I can buy for £3 from Tesco.

In the meantime they are re-evaluating peoples job descriptions because staff are costing too much.

Back to the op. The Tories have never gave a flying fuck about anything except themselves and their friends. Shown by the recent semi privatisation of the probation service. Do people realsie that a company that states it's primary function as catering is managing sexual offenders in the community? Why? Because the managing director was a major funder and married to a Conservative.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Anyone remember what the OP said about respecting others opinions?

That implies no personal attacks.

Anyone else notice the obvious left wing attacks against any comments made in support of the Conservatives have come from faceless silhouetes.

Okay then... here is a political question from someone who isn't faceless.... if we are all in this together based on austerity... how can the conservatives justify cutting taxes for those at the top... whilst cutting welfare for those at the bottom?

Their "justification " (I'm using your word here) is that for many, remaining on benefits gave them more money than working full time. There were plenty extreme examples of this. (Rent free in six bedroom houses and benefit incomes as high as 40k).

So a 'cap' on benefits together with raising the minimum wage significantly ahead of Labours previous plans and raising annually the tax threshold has made working more lucrative. I'll leave any arguments as to the "balance" of these effects. I'm pointing out facts to answer the question...not making a judgement.

I've seen the effect of disability benefit changes too. In both directions. One person I know, we all said was "swinging the lead"... was re-assessed, had benefits cut and it basically gave her a kick up the arse...three weeks later she was working full time.

Another friend, badly physically disabled in a car crash was re-assessed and moved onto a higher rate. It does work both ways.

These are just two real examples. They may not be typical, and I'm sure the system doesn't work for everyone...systems are like that.

I'm just answering Fabios question without passing judgement. I'll leave the rest of you to argue and take cheap shots at each other."

its an interesting arguement.... because actually i don't have a problem with the benefit cap either.... i don't believe that anyone who should earn more on benefits than people who are working...

it was more a case of those people who are trying to do the right thing... for example the proposal they had to abolish working tax credit,

so the perception is that they help their friends at the top, compared to those on middle and low wages......

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

This general election is all about Brexit. If you voted Leave in the EU referendum and you want Brexit to be fully delivered you only have one party you can count on to deliver it and that is the Conservative party. The Lib dems and the SNP want to reverse Brexit and Labour cannot be trusted on Brexit. If you want Brexit then vote Conservative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

umm lets look at that page

https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

as of saturday today, its still daves manifesto from 2015

As you can see the current adminsitration has no policies. They are so confident in winning that they do not need to write a new one, because they know the labour party will lose perhaps?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"umm lets look at that page

https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

as of saturday today, its still daves manifesto from 2015

As you can see the current adminsitration has no policies. They are so confident in winning that they do not need to write a new one, because they know the labour party will lose perhaps?"

I take it you missed Question Time on BBC 1 on Thursday night then? On it Conservative MP Damien Green said the new Conservative manifesto for this general election will be released in 10 days time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"umm lets look at that page

https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

as of saturday today, its still daves manifesto from 2015

As you can see the current adminsitration has no policies. They are so confident in winning that they do not need to write a new one, because they know the labour party will lose perhaps?

I take it you missed Question Time on BBC 1 on Thursday night then? On it Conservative MP Damien Green said the new Conservative manifesto for this general election will be released in 10 days time. "

Yes I did actually, what are you trying to point out?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

What a shit attitude. What do you mean at who's expense? If you make a success of yourself isn't it usually because you're providing a service that somebody wants? And possibly to the extent of, horror of horrors, creating jobs for people?"
yes but the problem comes when you provide a service like rent with the prices sky high you're robbing the future generations of the hope of actually buying and saving

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"umm lets look at that page

https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

as of saturday today, its still daves manifesto from 2015

As you can see the current adminsitration has no policies. They are so confident in winning that they do not need to write a new one, because they know the labour party will lose perhaps?

I take it you missed Question Time on BBC 1 on Thursday night then? On it Conservative MP Damien Green said the new Conservative manifesto for this general election will be released in 10 days time.

Yes I did actually, what are you trying to point out?"

It's rather obvious from what I just said in the previous post. The new Theresa May/Conservative party manifesto for this general election is due to be released on around the 7th May.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

What a shit attitude. What do you mean at who's expense? If you make a success of yourself isn't it usually because you're providing a service that somebody wants? And possibly to the extent of, horror of horrors, creating jobs for people?yes but the problem comes when you provide a service like rent with the prices sky high you're robbing the future generations of the hope of actually buying and saving "

When you have the mass immigration policies of the Labour party which put added pressure onto already limited availability of housing then that will only increase rents for the rental market and increase house prices for the buyers market.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"umm lets look at that page

https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

as of saturday today, its still daves manifesto from 2015

As you can see the current adminsitration has no policies. They are so confident in winning that they do not need to write a new one, because they know the labour party will lose perhaps?

I take it you missed Question Time on BBC 1 on Thursday night then? On it Conservative MP Damien Green said the new Conservative manifesto for this general election will be released in 10 days time.

Yes I did actually, what are you trying to point out?

It's rather obvious from what I just said in the previous post. The new Theresa May/Conservative party manifesto for this general election is due to be released on around the 7th May. "

Now, now there is no need to be nasty like you mentioned earlier, I may get things wrong but then again I have a life also, the details may escape me, but the spirit remains, do the tories need a plan at all? they are going to breeze in, should i be concerned, hey who cares, because people like you are going to do all the work for us, you are the real heroes

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"seems to me alot of people have forgot that the last labour goverment left the country skint and if they get in again it will be spend spend spend again."

Not actually true (the economy suffered principally because of the banking crisis) but the Tories and Tory media have done a good job convincing people it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But then again was nessus a hero? who can say?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"seems to me alot of people have forgot that the last labour goverment left the country skint and if they get in again it will be spend spend spend again.

Not actually true (the economy suffered principally because of the banking crisis) but the Tories and Tory media have done a good job convincing people it is. "

It was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" for the new Lib dem/Conservative coalition government in 2010.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"seems to me alot of people have forgot that the last labour goverment left the country skint and if they get in again it will be spend spend spend again.

Not actually true (the economy suffered principally because of the banking crisis) but the Tories and Tory media have done a good job convincing people it is.

It was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" for the new Lib dem/Conservative coalition government in 2010. "

Oh, a (badly misjudged) joke note! That proves it

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"umm lets look at that page

https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

as of saturday today, its still daves manifesto from 2015

As you can see the current adminsitration has no policies. They are so confident in winning that they do not need to write a new one, because they know the labour party will lose perhaps?

I take it you missed Question Time on BBC 1 on Thursday night then? On it Conservative MP Damien Green said the new Conservative manifesto for this general election will be released in 10 days time.

Yes I did actually, what are you trying to point out?

It's rather obvious from what I just said in the previous post. The new Theresa May/Conservative party manifesto for this general election is due to be released on around the 7th May.

Now, now there is no need to be nasty like you mentioned earlier, I may get things wrong but then again I have a life also, the details may escape me, but the spirit remains, do the tories need a plan at all? they are going to breeze in, should i be concerned, hey who cares, because people like you are going to do all the work for us, you are the real heroes "

Which part of my post did you interpret as 'nasty'? Your post could also be interpreted as 'nasty' as you seem to imply people who look at the detail in things don't have a life. I do have a life thank you very much and I think the 60 plus verifications on my profile on here more than prove that.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"But then again was nessus a hero? who can say?"

The concept of the anti hero is alive and well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"umm lets look at that page

https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

as of saturday today, its still daves manifesto from 2015

As you can see the current adminsitration has no policies. They are so confident in winning that they do not need to write a new one, because they know the labour party will lose perhaps?

I take it you missed Question Time on BBC 1 on Thursday night then? On it Conservative MP Damien Green said the new Conservative manifesto for this general election will be released in 10 days time.

Yes I did actually, what are you trying to point out?

It's rather obvious from what I just said in the previous post. The new Theresa May/Conservative party manifesto for this general election is due to be released on around the 7th May.

Now, now there is no need to be nasty like you mentioned earlier, I may get things wrong but then again I have a life also, the details may escape me, but the spirit remains, do the tories need a plan at all? they are going to breeze in, should i be concerned, hey who cares, because people like you are going to do all the work for us, you are the real heroes

Which part of my post did you interpret as 'nasty'? Your post could also be interpreted as 'nasty' as you seem to imply people who look at the detail in things don't have a life. I do have a life thank you very much and I think the 60 plus verifications on my profile on here more than prove that. "

Take a chill pill, wow your nessus at the moment, relax, the hindenburg has nothing on the ego I am seeing here.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"seems to me alot of people have forgot that the last labour goverment left the country skint and if they get in again it will be spend spend spend again.

Not actually true (the economy suffered principally because of the banking crisis) but the Tories and Tory media have done a good job convincing people it is.

It was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" for the new Lib dem/Conservative coalition government in 2010.

Oh, a (badly misjudged) joke note! That proves it "

Like Corbyn's Labour party then, nothing but a joke.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"This general election is all about Brexit. If you voted Leave in the EU referendum and you want Brexit to be fully delivered you only have one party you can count on to deliver it and that is the Conservative party. The Lib dems and the SNP want to reverse Brexit and Labour cannot be trusted on Brexit. If you want Brexit then vote Conservative. "

Indeed this election is all about Brexit. And given that less people want to leave than remain, and conservatives are pretty much only on about Brexit there is a chance that they might not get enough votes to form an absolute government.

-Matt

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"seems to me alot of people have forgot that the last labour goverment left the country skint and if they get in again it will be spend spend spend again.

Not actually true (the economy suffered principally because of the banking crisis) but the Tories and Tory media have done a good job convincing people it is.

It was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" for the new Lib dem/Conservative coalition government in 2010.

Oh, a (badly misjudged) joke note! That proves it

Like Corbyn's Labour party then, nothing but a joke. "

I'm not a Corbyn fan, and this comment is irrelevant to what's being discussed. Good try though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Corbyn made a point, which I actually was not aware of. Did you know that the tories in the did not sanction south africa for apartheid. the entertained the leaders of apartheid and also banned uk citizens from protesting outside the south african embassy?

Totally uncool,

I wonder what other misdemeanours the tories are also responsible for?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"This general election is all about Brexit. If you voted Leave in the EU referendum and you want Brexit to be fully delivered you only have one party you can count on to deliver it and that is the Conservative party. The Lib dems and the SNP want to reverse Brexit and Labour cannot be trusted on Brexit. If you want Brexit then vote Conservative.

Indeed this election is all about Brexit. And given that less people want to leave than remain, and conservatives are pretty much only on about Brexit there is a chance that they might not get enough votes to form an absolute government.

-Matt"

What is your evidence for this? Would it be the recent data poll by sky news which showed a 2% swing from Leave to Remain? As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg pointed out when he was interviewed on sky news about the poll he pointed out that 2% is well within polls margin of error and really people's position on Brexit has not changed. They are still only small opinion polls and the real poll which counts was the EU referendum last year in which 52% voted Leave.

In terms of polls beyond the margin of error many polls consistently now show 60% + of people just want to get on with Brexit and well beyond the margin of error are the Conservative party ratings vs Labour and Theresa May's personal ratings vs Corbyn which some polls show a 20 point difference in favour of Theresa May and the Conservatives for the general election.

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Corbyn made a point, which I actually was not aware of. Did you know that the tories in the did not sanction south africa for apartheid. the entertained the leaders of apartheid and also banned uk citizens from protesting outside the south african embassy?

Totally uncool,

I wonder what other misdemeanours the tories are also responsible for?

"

probably as many as every other party. . they are all as bad as each other.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

I find this thread to be full of opinions from people who have very closed minds it is very sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I find this thread to be full of opinions from people who have very closed minds it is very sad."

Yep, very sad indeed.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

What a shit attitude. What do you mean at who's expense? If you make a success of yourself isn't it usually because you're providing a service that somebody wants? And possibly to the extent of, horror of horrors, creating jobs for people?yes but the problem comes when you provide a service like rent with the prices sky high you're robbing the future generations of the hope of actually buying and saving

When you have the mass immigration policies of the Labour party which put added pressure onto already limited availability of housing then that will only increase rents for the rental market and increase house prices for the buyers market. "

but how do you know whats in the Labour party manifesto on the subject... their manifesto isn't being released till the 15th may...

if you are going to use that excuse for teresa may and the tories then certainly it has to work both ways? right??

unless we are going to use what they have said so far as read... for example... teresa saying they will honour foreign aid budget... and not answering confirming what they will do with the triple lock on pensions, and hammond not committing to not potentially increasing taxes at some point...... ect ect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How anyone could vote Labour is beyond me. They created a Women's minister (but no mens) = Sexist. Corbyn will consider segregating men & women on trains (sexist). They support trade unions (anti-business). They support talks with terrorists.

They are an utter joke. Only SJW's, immigrants and the unemployed will vote for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn made a point, which I actually was not aware of. Did you know that the tories in the did not sanction south africa for apartheid. the entertained the leaders of apartheid and also banned uk citizens from protesting outside the south african embassy?

Totally uncool,

I wonder what other misdemeanours the tories are also responsible for?

probably as many as every other party. . they are all as bad as each other. "

But not even sanctioning a country which by all intents and purpose, propagated a theory that racial superiority over black people was good, man that makes you think, it certainly blew my mind. How can I ever vote tory if this is the case?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn made a point, which I actually was not aware of. Did you know that the tories in the did not sanction south africa for apartheid. the entertained the leaders of apartheid and also banned uk citizens from protesting outside the south african embassy?

Totally uncool,

I wonder what other misdemeanours the tories are also responsible for?

probably as many as every other party. . they are all as bad as each other.

But not even sanctioning a country which by all intents and purpose, propagated a theory that racial superiority over black people was good, man that makes you think, it certainly blew my mind. How can I ever vote tory if this is the case?"
.

Thats why they only insist on a cross!.

Any idiot can do it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How anyone could vote Labour is beyond me. They created a Women's minister (but no mens) = Sexist. Corbyn will consider segregating men & women on trains (sexist). They support trade unions (anti-business). They support talks with terrorists.

They are an utter joke. Only SJW's, immigrants and the unemployed will vote for them."

Have you worked in a profession which offers Union support, both I and my parents do, yes Unions can be clunky at times, but God knows we need them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

What a shit attitude. What do you mean at who's expense? If you make a success of yourself isn't it usually because you're providing a service that somebody wants? And possibly to the extent of, horror of horrors, creating jobs for people?yes but the problem comes when you provide a service like rent with the prices sky high you're robbing the future generations of the hope of actually buying and saving

When you have the mass immigration policies of the Labour party which put added pressure onto already limited availability of housing then that will only increase rents for the rental market and increase house prices for the buyers market. "

Yes immigration is an issue.

Yet if you are not willing to bring the private renting sector to heel, or build enough housing in the first place, council or privately owned, there lies the problem.

Tackle an issue at the root, then work everything else out.

I'd rather have a government which is tough on rip off landlords, builds houses, and tackles the housing pricing cost, than a government which cuts numbers of people to come in, yet leaves all of the above issues to be dealt with weakly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"umm lets look at that page

https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

as of saturday today, its still daves manifesto from 2015

As you can see the current adminsitration has no policies. They are so confident in winning that they do not need to write a new one, because they know the labour party will lose perhaps?"

Or it could be that NO party has released their new manifesto yet. They are all due out by the end of next week....so your point is....?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"Anyone remember what the OP said about respecting others opinions?

That implies no personal attacks.

Anyone else notice the obvious left wing attacks against any comments made in support of the Conservatives have come from faceless silhouetes."

Ive noticed that your pic is of a dick....what should we read into that in the context of the political stance you take?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"Anyone remember what the OP said about respecting others opinions?

That implies no personal attacks.

Anyone else notice the obvious left wing attacks against any comments made in support of the Conservatives have come from faceless silhouetes.

Ive noticed that your pic is of a dick....what should we read into that in the context of the political stance you take?"

That you like looking at pics of dicks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyone remember what the OP said about respecting others opinions?

That implies no personal attacks.

Anyone else notice the obvious left wing attacks against any comments made in support of the Conservatives have come from faceless silhouetes.

Ive noticed that your pic is of a dick....what should we read into that in the context of the political stance you take?

That you like looking at pics of dicks? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"umm lets look at that page

https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

as of saturday today, its still daves manifesto from 2015

As you can see the current adminsitration has no policies. They are so confident in winning that they do not need to write a new one, because they know the labour party will lose perhaps?

Or it could be that NO party has released their new manifesto yet. They are all due out by the end of next week....so your point is....?"

Nessus pointed it out earlier.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If your well off, healthy, devoid of empathy the Conservative party is the one for you, They will always screw the worker like big business does .........Labour left the country skint ???

You mean they bailed out the Banks and the spivs who run them ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your well off, healthy, devoid of empathy the Conservative party is the one for you, They will always screw the worker like big business does .........Labour left the country skint ???

You mean they bailed out the Banks and the spivs who run them ?

"

If you're well off, healthy and devoid of empathy, why isn't the Labour party for you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your well off, healthy, devoid of empathy the Conservative party is the one for you, They will always screw the worker like big business does .........Labour left the country skint ???

You mean they bailed out the Banks and the spivs who run them ?

"

My dad was working class and the Conservative Party and their policies did well for him. So I prefer to see them as on the side of those who work hard or have ambition. What is wrong with that?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"Anyone remember what the OP said about respecting others opinions?

That implies no personal attacks.

Anyone else notice the obvious left wing attacks against any comments made in support of the Conservatives have come from faceless silhouetes.

Ive noticed that your pic is of a dick....what should we read into that in the context of the political stance you take?

That you like looking at pics of dicks? "

When people use dicks as their avatars then you don't really get a choice!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"If your well off, healthy, devoid of empathy the Conservative party is the one for you, They will always screw the worker like big business does .........Labour left the country skint ???

You mean they bailed out the Banks and the spivs who run them ?

"

Labour deserted the working classes years ago when they opened the flood gates to mass immigration. It was mainly the working class who voted to leave the EU last year and then you have Labour Champagne socialists like Diane Abbot calling them racist for voting Leave. Another Labour Champagne socialist Emily Thornberry looks down her nose at the working class white van Man (remember her sneering tweet during the Rochester and Strood by election). Gordon Brown calling life long Labour voter Gillian Duffy "that bigoted woman" because she asked him a simple question about the levels of immigration. It's become increasingly clear that the champagne socialists of Labour living in their London/Islington bubble now despise the working classes of the UK and now I very much look forward to seeing Labour reap what they have sewn in recent years when they get wiped out on June 8th.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes your right much is very wrong with Labour...But it was a Tory who took us into the EU and another Tory who voted to allow its expansion into more than a common market...The saintly Mrs T i believe it was....

If you think that working hard and paying your taxes all your days is the Tory way to succeed your way wrong. My Father voted Tory all his life but admitted after he had been thrown from his job of 36yrs that he should have joined the union. He was just a number a little man who did his best. He was screwed over by those above him who walked away with plenty and even a Knighthood for the man who sold them out. So if your an all right jack type vote Tory....But i promise you will be old one day, someone will need to help you or your family out and with every piece of social care now run by Tory loving private businesses ..You will wish you maybe had said something in defence of those less fortunate then yourself

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"My problem with the tories is they are elitist.. They never have, and never will consider the working classes downwards. They look down their noses at the sick and disabled and treat them like crap, cutting welfare while handing out tax cuts for the mega rich so they can get richer. They sell off anything thats publicly owned so tbey and their mates can cash in.

"

Utter bollocks, I grew up in a poor family pass me down clothes, free school meals an alcoholic father and a mother doing her best for 4 kids. But I would never risk my future by voting labour, they are good at ensuring that poor stay poor, that benefits replace the need to work and to strive for success. They ensure life is more about a hand out rather than a hand up, they crush those who wish to do well, and go out of their way to promote rights of the wrong does rather than the rights of the offended. They will sell our ex soldiers well being for a hand shake from a terrorist. Fucking hell they even left the incoming government with note saying its all gone the safe is bare were skint

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Also a lot less focused on minorities than other parties, and less politically correct.

All of this is why they're winning by a mile."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes your right much is very wrong with Labour...But it was a Tory who took us into the EU and another Tory who voted to allow its expansion into more than a common market...The saintly Mrs T i believe it was....

If you think that working hard and paying your taxes all your days is the Tory way to succeed your way wrong. My Father voted Tory all his life but admitted after he had been thrown from his job of 36yrs that he should have joined the union. He was just a number a little man who did his best. He was screwed over by those above him who walked away with plenty and even a Knighthood for the man who sold them out. So if your an all right jack type vote Tory....But i promise you will be old one day, someone will need to help you or your family out and with every piece of social care now run by Tory loving private businesses ..You will wish you maybe had said something in defence of those less fortunate then yourself "

You are fighting old battles, the Labour party are done and will never be elected into power again. A new alternative party needs to be formed after this election which can oppose the Tories but also have a credible plan on how to create more wealth for the country and the people as a whole. How can they do that? I dunno, but the Labour way of tax and borrow and spend is history. If you don't care about people and want to see millions on the dole vote Labour. (Fortunately your vote will be wasted)

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"If your well off, healthy, devoid of empathy the Conservative party is the one for you, They will always screw the worker like big business does .........Labour left the country skint ???

You mean they bailed out the Banks and the spivs who run them ?

Labour deserted the working classes years ago when they opened the flood gates to mass immigration. It was mainly the working class who voted to leave the EU last year and then you have Labour Champagne socialists like Diane Abbot calling them racist for voting Leave. Another Labour Champagne socialist Emily Thornberry looks down her nose at the working class white van Man (remember her sneering tweet during the Rochester and Strood by election). Gordon Brown calling life long Labour voter Gillian Duffy "that bigoted woman" because she asked him a simple question about the levels of immigration. It's become increasingly clear that the champagne socialists of Labour living in their London/Islington bubble now despise the working classes of the UK and now I very much look forward to seeing Labour reap what they have sewn in recent years when they get wiped out on June 8th. "

Your absolutely bang on the money, Miss Abbott against grammar schools unless of course it's for her own children. JC against nepotism unless of course it's means you line up a researchers job for your son with a member of your front bench. Oh yeah and why did JC appoint an Oxford trained adviser, who is the son of financiar, whose mother finds multimillion £ properties for the elite of London

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"This general election is all about Brexit. If you voted Leave in the EU referendum and you want Brexit to be fully delivered you only have one party you can count on to deliver it and that is the Conservative party. The Lib dems and the SNP want to reverse Brexit and Labour cannot be trusted on Brexit. If you want Brexit then vote Conservative.

Indeed this election is all about Brexit. And given that less people want to leave than remain, and conservatives are pretty much only on about Brexit there is a chance that they might not get enough votes to form an absolute government.

-Matt"

Lol

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson says the Tories are the party of low tax but then says Scotland needs to raise taxes to mitigate against their Westminster policies

Go figure eh!!

Seems thats the Tory tactic in Scotland bring in the nasty polices and then say to the Scottish government if they want to protect Scottish people then mitigate it thats how much the Tories care about Scotland in this fucked up unequal union.

I wonder if people in Scotland remember the Poll tax seems the hardcore unionist believes its the union at any cost even if it means Scotland suffers under Tory rule when Scotland doesnt vote for a Tory government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This general election is all about Brexit. If you voted Leave in the EU referendum and you want Brexit to be fully delivered you only have one party you can count on to deliver it and that is the Conservative party. The Lib dems and the SNP want to reverse Brexit and Labour cannot be trusted on Brexit. If you want Brexit then vote Conservative.

Indeed this election is all about Brexit. And given that less people want to leave than remain, and conservatives are pretty much only on about Brexit there is a chance that they might not get enough votes to form an absolute government.

-Matt

Lol"

you're right, that was one of the funniest posts I've ever read on here

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

So what if May wins but with a smaller majority. Is that strengthening her hand or weakening it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So what if May wins but with a smaller majority. Is that strengthening her hand or weakening it?"

What if?? I have revised my prediction down though on reflection. Her majority will only be 142

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My problem with the tories is they are elitist.. They never have, and never will consider the working classes downwards. They look down their noses at the sick and disabled and treat them like crap, cutting welfare while handing out tax cuts for the mega rich so they can get richer. They sell off anything thats publicly owned so tbey and their mates can cash in.

Utter rubbish. You just believe the propaganda of the Labour Party.

The conservative party encourage progress, whereas the Labour Party stifle it.

Conservative tax policy is as it is to encourage people to work hard and do well for themselves.

Labours high tax agenda actually discourages ambition because you know that if you work hard and do well, they want to take it away from you.

Labour would nationalise everything and not worry about how to pay for it.

The problem is, that such an approach means that they have no other choice but to put up taxes in order to pay for it all.

And another problem that never gets talked about is that if you have a nationalised industry, you also have a nationalised pension responsibility.

And with us all living longer than ever before, the shortfall is growing.

Governments have never been any good at running businesses.

Just look at the NHS. The Labour party think that just throwing endless money at it will make everything ok.

Now I'm not suggesting for one moment that the NHS should be privatised. I am in total agreement that it should be free at the point of use for us all, but, if it was run more like a private company, greater efficiencies would be made, and I don't mean cutting back staff or reducing salaries, but more getting the best deals from suppliers etc.

Private pharmaceutical companies have been ripping off the NHS for donkeys years. Why? Because they can."

Utter bollocks yourself!

I have seen the effects of tory policy on the disabled. Not on tv like yourself. I could say you should stop listening to tory propaganda

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent"

Why do you think that making a success of themselves has to be at someone else's expense. Wealth is not a zero sum game.

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By *wingtolifeCouple
over a year ago

who knows


"If your well off, healthy, devoid of empathy the Conservative party is the one for you, They will always screw the worker like big business does .........Labour left the country skint ???

You mean they bailed out the Banks and the spivs who run them ?

My dad was working class and the Conservative Party and their policies did well for him. So I prefer to see them as on the side of those who work hard or have ambition. What is wrong with that?"
think youre living in the past, thatchers policy of buying homes dirt cheap benefited a lot of people, best thing ever, cant say that about the youngsters of today, i vote on what id like the uk to be like, and for future generations.

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By *wingtolifeCouple
over a year ago

who knows

as for thatchers buying up homes was a great deal, the failure to implement or invest in other housing was shocking, it just made the divide even bigger

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"This general election is all about Brexit. If you voted Leave in the EU referendum and you want Brexit to be fully delivered you only have one party you can count on to deliver it and that is the Conservative party. The Lib dems and the SNP want to reverse Brexit and Labour cannot be trusted on Brexit. If you want Brexit then vote Conservative. "

And if you don't want BREXIT vote LibDem.

As for Labour:- you can't trust them on much but, as their plans for nationalisation would be illegal under EU competition law, you can pretty much assume, regardless what they say about the Single Market and Customs Union, they're for hard BREXIT to.

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By *on and TammyCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

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By *on and TammyCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

Why do you think that making a success of themselves has to be at someone else's expense. Wealth is not a zero sum game. "

Also, define 'success'.

When people say the Tories policies are geared toward people wanting to make a success of themselves what they really mean is that Tory policies are geared toward people wanting to make money (which btw, I don't believe to be true for the majority)

For some people though success isn't defined in monetary terms yet Tory mantra insists this is the goal at all costs and if you don't play their game then you will be crushed. Doesn't matter if you're doing a job that NEEDS doing, that benefits society as a whole, a job you like that makes you happy and you derive satisfaction from, if it's low paid better get another one that makes you loads of money or get fucked.

I know people that are bloody minted yet miserable as sin, they're absolute failures as human beings and they're relationships with their immediate family are terrible yet society and tory mantra would deem them a 'success' because they own a few houses, big cars, and have a wedge sitting in the bank.

People say the Tories 'incentivise' people to make money but look at how they do this. They incentivise the rich by making them richer but incentivise the poor by making them poorer. It's unfair and obscene.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"

"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

Why do you think that making a success of themselves has to be at someone else's expense. Wealth is not a zero sum game. "

Also, define 'success'.

When people say the Tories policies are geared toward people wanting to make a success of themselves what they really mean is that Tory policies are geared toward people wanting to make money (which btw, I don't believe to be true for the majority)

For some people though success isn't defined in monetary terms yet Tory mantra insists this is the goal at all costs and if you don't play their game then you will be crushed. Doesn't matter if you're doing a job that NEEDS doing, that benefits society as a whole, a job you like that makes you happy and you derive satisfaction from, if it's low paid better get another one that makes you loads of money or get fucked.

I know people that are bloody minted yet miserable as sin, they're absolute failures as human beings and they're relationships with their immediate family are terrible yet society and tory mantra would deem them a 'success' because they own a few houses, big cars, and have a wedge sitting in the bank.

People say the Tories 'incentivise' people to make money but look at how they do this. They incentivise the rich by making them richer but incentivise the poor by making them poorer. It's unfair and obscene.

"

There is absolutely no evidence that the rich have got richer while the poor have got poorer in the UK. fact quite the opposite has actually happened in the UK. The gap between the top 5% and bottom 5% since 2010 has actually shrunk not increased and between 2010 and 2013 the rich actually got poorer while the poor actually got richer. It's all very well shouting a slogan that seems to support your cause but, even if you convince most people that the slogan is true, it won't make things better because it's not addressing the real problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

Why do you think that making a success of themselves has to be at someone else's expense. Wealth is not a zero sum game. "

Also, define 'success'.

When people say the Tories policies are geared toward people wanting to make a success of themselves what they really mean is that Tory policies are geared toward people wanting to make money (which btw, I don't believe to be true for the majority)

For some people though success isn't defined in monetary terms yet Tory mantra insists this is the goal at all costs and if you don't play their game then you will be crushed. Doesn't matter if you're doing a job that NEEDS doing, that benefits society as a whole, a job you like that makes you happy and you derive satisfaction from, if it's low paid better get another one that makes you loads of money or get fucked.

I know people that are bloody minted yet miserable as sin, they're absolute failures as human beings and they're relationships with their immediate family are terrible yet society and tory mantra would deem them a 'success' because they own a few houses, big cars, and have a wedge sitting in the bank.

People say the Tories 'incentivise' people to make money but look at how they do this. They incentivise the rich by making them richer but incentivise the poor by making them poorer. It's unfair and obscene.

There is absolutely no evidence that the rich have got richer while the poor have got poorer in the UK. fact quite the opposite has actually happened in the UK. The gap between the top 5% and bottom 5% since 2010 has actually shrunk not increased and between 2010 and 2013 the rich actually got poorer while the poor actually got richer. It's all very well shouting a slogan that seems to support your cause but, even if you convince most people that the slogan is true, it won't make things better because it's not addressing the real problem."

Franky i don't give a shit about your figures. Tne fact remains that the tories hit the sick and disabled, people who cant work and hit with spare room subsidy, sanctions and red tape.

Its that filthy policy brought about by cameron, ids and osbourne that repulses me personally and thats why i wont vote tory.

Otber tory policies pale into insignificance with that, and for what? Ideology to save a tiny tiny percent.. Pathetic!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

Why do you think that making a success of themselves has to be at someone else's expense. Wealth is not a zero sum game. "

Also, define 'success'.

When people say the Tories policies are geared toward people wanting to make a success of themselves what they really mean is that Tory policies are geared toward people wanting to make money (which btw, I don't believe to be true for the majority)

For some people though success isn't defined in monetary terms yet Tory mantra insists this is the goal at all costs and if you don't play their game then you will be crushed. Doesn't matter if you're doing a job that NEEDS doing, that benefits society as a whole, a job you like that makes you happy and you derive satisfaction from, if it's low paid better get another one that makes you loads of money or get fucked.

I know people that are bloody minted yet miserable as sin, they're absolute failures as human beings and they're relationships with their immediate family are terrible yet society and tory mantra would deem them a 'success' because they own a few houses, big cars, and have a wedge sitting in the bank.

People say the Tories 'incentivise' people to make money but look at how they do this. They incentivise the rich by making them richer but incentivise the poor by making them poorer. It's unfair and obscene.

There is absolutely no evidence that the rich have got richer while the poor have got poorer in the UK. fact quite the opposite has actually happened in the UK. The gap between the top 5% and bottom 5% since 2010 has actually shrunk not increased and between 2010 and 2013 the rich actually got poorer while the poor actually got richer. It's all very well shouting a slogan that seems to support your cause but, even if you convince most people that the slogan is true, it won't make things better because it's not addressing the real problem.

Franky i don't give a shit about your figures. Tne fact remains that the tories hit the sick and disabled, people who cant work and hit with spare room subsidy, sanctions and red tape.

Its that filthy policy brought about by cameron, ids and osbourne that repulses me personally and thats why i wont vote tory.

Otber tory policies pale into insignificance with that, and for what? Ideology to save a tiny tiny percent.. Pathetic! "

Regardless of what party cameron ids and osbourne represented they are bastards. I just hope tbeir replacements rethink on the disabled snd vulnerable

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By *on and TammyCouple
over a year ago

Manchester


"

"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

Why do you think that making a success of themselves has to be at someone else's expense. Wealth is not a zero sum game. "

Also, define 'success'.

When people say the Tories policies are geared toward people wanting to make a success of themselves what they really mean is that Tory policies are geared toward people wanting to make money (which btw, I don't believe to be true for the majority)

For some people though success isn't defined in monetary terms yet Tory mantra insists this is the goal at all costs and if you don't play their game then you will be crushed. Doesn't matter if you're doing a job that NEEDS doing, that benefits society as a whole, a job you like that makes you happy and you derive satisfaction from, if it's low paid better get another one that makes you loads of money or get fucked.

I know people that are bloody minted yet miserable as sin, they're absolute failures as human beings and they're relationships with their immediate family are terrible yet society and tory mantra would deem them a 'success' because they own a few houses, big cars, and have a wedge sitting in the bank.

People say the Tories 'incentivise' people to make money but look at how they do this. They incentivise the rich by making them richer but incentivise the poor by making them poorer. It's unfair and obscene.

There is absolutely no evidence that the rich have got richer while the poor have got poorer in the UK. fact quite the opposite has actually happened in the UK. The gap between the top 5% and bottom 5% since 2010 has actually shrunk not increased and between 2010 and 2013 the rich actually got poorer while the poor actually got richer. It's all very well shouting a slogan that seems to support your cause but, even if you convince most people that the slogan is true, it won't make things better because it's not addressing the real problem."

Can you please provide a source for those figures? I can't find anything to support what you're saying. I see plenty, even in the right wing media, saying quite the opposite. I'm only going off what I've read, if you've got evidence to the contrary I'm happy to say I'm wrong in that regard.

Even if I am though my main point still stands. Those that are rich are incentivised through tax breaks and the poor are punished through severe cuts, and here I'm not going off what I've read but what I've seen first hand. I work as a carer for a severely disabled person who's condition won't get any better. He is not a lazy, feckless scrounger. As much as he would like to, and as many academic qualifications as he has, he simply cannot work. The way he has been treated over the last 5 years though is one of the most despicable things I've seen in my life. He's had social workers in his home interrogating him and asking him to justify every single thing he's given. The tone of voice of these people when talking to him is shocking, complete suspicion. They wanted to put motion sensor cameras in his house to monitor how much his staff 'moved', as if such information tells them everything about how much we work and, by asking for such a measure, failing to understand how much emotional support his staff provide to him.

At the time of undergoing this ordeal he was going through some serious mental health issues as a result of a family bereavement (all of which social services knew about) and was undergoing counselling.

He had to take legal action against them to stop them implementing the measures they wanted, this was difficult as he's only allowed a very small amount of savings. He won but he's much worse off financially as a result and is now existing hand to mouth each month, and is extremely stressed as a result of his precarious financial situation. Oh, and he has to pay bedroom tax for a 'spare' room he has in his home which actually has a lift in it so he can get up and down the stairs. As a result none of his staff have had a pay rise in 5 years, so he's worse off and so are all his staff, he's also worried we're going to do one if he can't give us a raise soon. He's got the authorities off his back for now but he's terrified at the prospect of further Tory rule. There are many other horror stories from his friends and acquaintances I could share but but I'd be here all day. Basically though, all of us involved are worse off.

There's just no way the above should be happening in a country as rich as ours and it should shame everyone that votes Tory that our most vulnerable in society are treated this way.

It makes me shake my head in disbelief when people are shocked at tories bringing back fox hunting. Given how fucking horrible they are to human beings what makes you think they would care about an animal?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"

"They're the best of the bunch.

Yes they're elitist, but their policies are geared towards people wanting to make a success of themselves.

Fine, but at what/who's expense.. And to what extent

Why do you think that making a success of themselves has to be at someone else's expense. Wealth is not a zero sum game. "

Also, define 'success'.

When people say the Tories policies are geared toward people wanting to make a success of themselves what they really mean is that Tory policies are geared toward people wanting to make money (which btw, I don't believe to be true for the majority)

For some people though success isn't defined in monetary terms yet Tory mantra insists this is the goal at all costs and if you don't play their game then you will be crushed. Doesn't matter if you're doing a job that NEEDS doing, that benefits society as a whole, a job you like that makes you happy and you derive satisfaction from, if it's low paid better get another one that makes you loads of money or get fucked.

I know people that are bloody minted yet miserable as sin, they're absolute failures as human beings and they're relationships with their immediate family are terrible yet society and tory mantra would deem them a 'success' because they own a few houses, big cars, and have a wedge sitting in the bank.

People say the Tories 'incentivise' people to make money but look at how they do this. They incentivise the rich by making them richer but incentivise the poor by making them poorer. It's unfair and obscene.

There is absolutely no evidence that the rich have got richer while the poor have got poorer in the UK. fact quite the opposite has actually happened in the UK. The gap between the top 5% and bottom 5% since 2010 has actually shrunk not increased and between 2010 and 2013 the rich actually got poorer while the poor actually got richer. It's all very well shouting a slogan that seems to support your cause but, even if you convince most people that the slogan is true, it won't make things better because it's not addressing the real problem.

Can you please provide a source for those figures? I can't find anything to support what you're saying. I see plenty, even in the right wing media, saying quite the opposite. I'm only going off what I've read, if you've got evidence to the contrary I'm happy to say I'm wrong in that regard.

Even if I am though my main point still stands. Those that are rich are incentivised through tax breaks and the poor are punished through severe cuts, and here I'm not going off what I've read but what I've seen first hand. I work as a carer for a severely disabled person who's condition won't get any better. He is not a lazy, feckless scrounger. As much as he would like to, and as many academic qualifications as he has, he simply cannot work. The way he has been treated over the last 5 years though is one of the most despicable things I've seen in my life. He's had social workers in his home interrogating him and asking him to justify every single thing he's given. The tone of voice of these people when talking to him is shocking, complete suspicion. They wanted to put motion sensor cameras in his house to monitor how much his staff 'moved', as if such information tells them everything about how much we work and, by asking for such a measure, failing to understand how much emotional support his staff provide to him.

At the time of undergoing this ordeal he was going through some serious mental health issues as a result of a family bereavement (all of which social services knew about) and was undergoing counselling.

He had to take legal action against them to stop them implementing the measures they wanted, this was difficult as he's only allowed a very small amount of savings. He won but he's much worse off financially as a result and is now existing hand to mouth each month, and is extremely stressed as a result of his precarious financial situation. Oh, and he has to pay bedroom tax for a 'spare' room he has in his home which actually has a lift in it so he can get up and down the stairs. As a result none of his staff have had a pay rise in 5 years, so he's worse off and so are all his staff, he's also worried we're going to do one if he can't give us a raise soon. He's got the authorities off his back for now but he's terrified at the prospect of further Tory rule. There are many other horror stories from his friends and acquaintances I could share but but I'd be here all day. Basically though, all of us involved are worse off.

There's just no way the above should be happening in a country as rich as ours and it should shame everyone that votes Tory that our most vulnerable in society are treated this way.

It makes me shake my head in disbelief when people are shocked at tories bringing back fox hunting. Given how fucking horrible they are to human beings what makes you think they would care about an animal? "

Any vote to repeal the Hunting Act would be a free vote in the Commons, and members would not be tied to their party whip. There are plenty of Conservatives that would vote against repealing the act.

Maybe people need to be asking why hunting a fox with a pack of dogs and a gun is still legal in Scotland?

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