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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

Iain Wright, Hartlepool Labour MP and front bencher, has stated that he's not standing in the GE.

I honestly thought he was the future of the Labour Party

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Iain Wright, Hartlepool Labour MP and front bencher, has stated that he's not standing in the GE.

I honestly thought he was the future of the Labour Party "

He was great up front with Arsenal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If labour have any sort of sense they would vote against the GE today that will force the Conservatives to vote no confidence in the PM if they want a election

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend

"If labour have any sort of sense they would vote against the GE today that will force the Conservatives to vote no confidence in the PM if they want a election "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If labour have any sort of sense they would vote against the GE today that will force the Conservatives to vote no confidence in the PM if they want a election "

And make Labour look like the spineless dead political party that they really are ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If labour have any sort of sense they would vote against the GE today that will force the Conservatives to vote no confidence in the PM if they want a election

And make Labour look like the spineless dead political party that they really are ?"

50/50 though. Some mps wont pull together under corbyn. Others want to get him out before june.

Going forward with little structure and minor unity, or playing it safe to try and protect your party and the people who need it, is basically like being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The folks arguing against Corbyn and in favour of new labour remind me of the Hillary supporter Dems.

You got your arse kicked by David Cameron and the Tories.

Are you seriously saying going back to that is a sure fire success to be shoehorned back in?.

Labour lost millions of people with their phoney wars and sell out of working class people to the EU slave labour trade.

You fucked yourselves, youve got nobody to blame but new labour.

If and its a big if, you could ACTUALLY back Corbyn and give him a few years you might actually win those voters back but replacing him with a new Tony or Gordon is utterly pointless, that horse bolted in 07

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Iain Wright, Hartlepool Labour MP and front bencher, has stated that he's not standing in the GE.

I honestly thought he was the future of the Labour Party "

Another one who announced he is not standing in the general election is Conservative George Osborne. He is going to concentrate on his newspaper editor job instead, lol, good riddance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have mixed emotions on Labour. I despise everything they are and stand for and would gladly see them cease to exist. However, every strong government needs a strong opposition.

Where will the oppositon be?

Labour wont win many seats and are totally fractured. Corbyn seems honorable, but is so out of touch. New Labour was a cancer.

Liberals are too wishy washy.

Greens are nuts.

SNP are irrelevant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have mixed emotions on Labour. I despise everything they are and stand for and would gladly see them cease to exist. However, every strong government needs a strong opposition.

Where will the oppositon be?

Labour wont win many seats and are totally fractured. Corbyn seems honorable, but is so out of touch. New Labour was a cancer.

Liberals are too wishy washy.

Greens are nuts.

SNP are irrelevant."
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He needs to stop using the word justice constantly.. That would help

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Iain Wright, Hartlepool Labour MP and front bencher, has stated that he's not standing in the GE.

I honestly thought he was the future of the Labour Party

Another one who announced he is not standing in the general election is Conservative George Osborne. He is going to concentrate on his newspaper editor job instead, lol, good riddance. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If labour have any sort of sense they would vote against the GE today that will force the Conservatives to vote no confidence in the PM if they want a election

And make Labour look like the spineless dead political party that they really are ?"

It would be a bit of a laugh though wouldn't it. Stick 2 fingers up a Teresa May. Go on Jeremy, you know you want to. Do it and then do a moony at them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If labour have any sort of sense they would vote against the GE today that will force the Conservatives to vote no confidence in the PM if they want a election "

Actually, under the 2011 fixed term parliament act in the event of a vote of no confidence in the government, before a general election can be called the option of whether an alternative government can be formed has to be explored.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Labour should join libdem to have a greater chance to win as they are gaining momentum, a vote for labour this election wont make a difference as it would by voting for libdem, libdem is the new labour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Labour should join libdem to have a greater chance to win as they are gaining momentum, a vote for labour this election wont make a difference as it would by voting for libdem, libdem is the new labour

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I was against the forced deportation of immigrants but... Your testing me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was against the forced deportation of immigrants but... Your testing me

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

This is how piss poor Scottish Labour are in Scotland the one and only Labour mp in Scotland posts the 1979 pish all over again claiming the SNP helped the Tories in government back then now it was before my time but with a little help of looking up records back then shows.

James Callaghan and i quote '' I have since wondered whether those 34 Labour members would have voted they way they did if they had been able to foresee that their votes on that evening would precipitate a general election 1979 at the least favorable time for their government''

There we have it the Labour leader in his own words blaming his party for letting the Tories in 1979 and i wasnt even born then i can see this.

Thats whats wrong with Labour never willing to take the fucking blame its always someone else fault yet they cant see why people no longer trust them in Scotland

Will be interesting to see how things play out in the next 6 weeks if there is talk about parties coming together to lock out the Tories because last time Labour were asked this question they said NO they would rather not form a government and therefore would let a Tory government happen that is piss poor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is that Labour still can not be trusted with the economy. They still want to borrow more to invest despite the current governments efforts to get the deficit down. They complain about record levels of debt, but want to add to that.

The important thing is to know the difference between debt and deficit.

Debt is how much the government needs to borrow in order to meet it's financial obligations.

The deficit is the difference between how much the government brings in from tax revenues etc and how much it spends on public services (and public sector pensions)

While a deficit exists the debt will continue to rise.

As for the Lib Dems. Well, they're still a laughing stock. They want to go against the will of the majority in regards to our decision on EU membership. They have no chance of forming a government and seem to be focusing their ambition on forming the opposition.

I really wish that they'd all stop this whole government / opposition thing and work together in the best interests of the country - yet unfortunately, most of them seem hell bent on disruption - Something Corbyn has made a career out of.

Interesting to note that in todays vote in the commons on the matter of holding an election in June, only 13 MP's opposed (SNP abstained) and the majority of those were Labour MP's - which is perhaps understandable, as I suspect many of them fear losing their seats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With regards to the labour economy myth, I will refer to the Huffington post article by conservative economist, Ramesh Patel. He explains the reasoning as to why they are myths and why it is implausible and ludicrous to believe that labour overspent and created the mess we are currently in. Despite that 7 years after the Labour Govt, we are in no better shape and the future forecasts in the austerity programme are continuously being shifted to the right, the current Govt won't hold their hands up and admit that they made mistakes with these forecasts.

Unfortunately, some people will blindly follow the parties they support without any questioning, even when posed with source based evidence that would counter their arguments.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Anyone think Labour should have forced the Tories into a vote of no confidence vote in themselves? Anyone with sense is expecting Labour to be annihilated! Everyone but Labour it seems...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If by some travesty Labour ever did win the GE they would try to reverse everything, the Brexit vote included

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"The problem is that Labour still can not be trusted with the economy. They still want to borrow more to invest despite the current governments efforts to get the deficit down. They complain about record levels of debt, but want to add to that.

The important thing is to know the difference between debt and deficit.

Debt is how much the government needs to borrow in order to meet it's financial obligations.

The deficit is the difference between how much the government brings in from tax revenues etc and how much it spends on public services (and public sector pensions)

While a deficit exists the debt will continue to rise.

So there should be no opposition? Everyone ordered to follow the will of the sitting government?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"With regards to the labour economy myth, I will refer to the Huffington post article by conservative economist, Ramesh Patel. He explains the reasoning as to why they are myths and why it is implausible and ludicrous to believe that labour overspent and created the mess we are currently in. Despite that 7 years after the Labour Govt, we are in no better shape and the future forecasts in the austerity programme are continuously being shifted to the right, the current Govt won't hold their hands up and admit that they made mistakes with these forecasts.

Unfortunately, some people will blindly follow the parties they support without any questioning, even when posed with source based evidence that would counter their arguments. "

Sounds like Brexit

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"The folks arguing against Corbyn and in favour of new labour remind me of the Hillary supporter Dems.

You got your arse kicked by David Cameron and the Tories.

Are you seriously saying going back to that is a sure fire success to be shoehorned back in?.

Labour lost millions of people with their phoney wars and sell out of working class people to the EU slave labour trade.

You fucked yourselves, youve got nobody to blame but new labour.

Fuck me, I actually agree with you.

Since there is no hope in having a laeadership contest in the Labour Party before the election, what purpose can these two resignations serve?

I've had a feeling for a while that "New Labour" was a plot to destroy the labour movement entirely, and these resignations would fit well into this notion.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

the plot thickens...

Am now seeing John Woodcock who is a Labour MP is saying will not countenance ever voting to make Jeremy Corbyn PM in a video message to constituents.

New low for Labour how many more of these red Tory assholes are in the Labour party.

Is that not a kicking out offence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So there should be no opposition? Everyone ordered to follow the will of the sitting government?

Now I didn't say that, did I?

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

If this is true Labour are walking into every trap set by the Tories to make sure Labour get fucked.

Jeremy Corbyn has ruled out an alliance with other parties according to a source close to him

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

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tim nice but dim has already ruled out a lib-lab coalition so now hes cossying up to May like a good little quisling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The folks arguing against Corbyn and in favour of new labour remind me of the Hillary supporter Dems.

You got your arse kicked by David Cameron and the Tories.

Are you seriously saying going back to that is a sure fire success to be shoehorned back in?.

Labour lost millions of people with their phoney wars and sell out of working class people to the EU slave labour trade.

You fucked yourselves, youve got nobody to blame but new labour.

Fuck me, I actually agree with you.

Since there is no hope in having a laeadership contest in the Labour Party before the election, what purpose can these two resignations serve?

I've had a feeling for a while that "New Labour" was a plot to destroy the labour movement entirely, and these resignations would fit well into this notion. "
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How many years now have we heard the public say.

I want an honest politican!

One that says what they mean even if i dont agree.

Doesnt do second jobs.

Doesnt rip off his expenses.

Willing to think outside the conventional? box.

Willing to reverse this constant tax attack of the working classes.

Not? afraid of big business.

One that doesnt constantly feel the need to bomb foreign countries.

And dare i fucking say it.

One thats Pro EU but not willing to take it to the arse from them on every fucking thing they dream up.

Well you get one and then... Oh hes bonkers

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The folks arguing against Corbyn and in favour of new labour remind me of the Hillary supporter Dems.

You got your arse kicked by David Cameron and the Tories.

Are you seriously saying going back to that is a sure fire success to be shoehorned back in?.

Labour lost millions of people with their phoney wars and sell out of working class people to the EU slave labour trade.

You fucked yourselves, youve got nobody to blame but new labour.

actually new Labour was incredibly popular, the further they have moved away from new Labour, the less and less popular they have become.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The folks arguing against Corbyn and in favour of new labour remind me of the Hillary supporter Dems.

You got your arse kicked by David Cameron and the Tories.

Are you seriously saying going back to that is a sure fire success to be shoehorned back in?.

Labour lost millions of people with their phoney wars and sell out of working class people to the EU slave labour trade.

You fucked yourselves, youve got nobody to blame but new labour.

actually new Labour was incredibly popular, the further they have moved away from new Labour, the less and less popular they have become. "
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Get fucked, Tony Blair couldn't even walk the streets without being lynched in the North

Hes about as popular as crabs

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The folks arguing against Corbyn and in favour of new labour remind me of the Hillary supporter Dems.

You got your arse kicked by David Cameron and the Tories.

Are you seriously saying going back to that is a sure fire success to be shoehorned back in?.

Labour lost millions of people with their phoney wars and sell out of working class people to the EU slave labour trade.

You fucked yourselves, youve got nobody to blame but new labour.

actually new Labour was incredibly popular, the further they have moved away from new Labour, the less and less popular they have become. .

Get fucked, Tony Blair couldn't even walk the streets without being lynched in the North

Hes about as popular as crabs"

How many MPs did Blair get?

How many MPs did Brown get?

How many MPs did Miliband get?

How many MPs will Corbyn get?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The folks arguing against Corbyn and in favour of new labour remind me of the Hillary supporter Dems.

You got your arse kicked by David Cameron and the Tories.

Are you seriously saying going back to that is a sure fire success to be shoehorned back in?.

Labour lost millions of people with their phoney wars and sell out of working class people to the EU slave labour trade.

You fucked yourselves, youve got nobody to blame but new labour.

actually new Labour was incredibly popular, the further they have moved away from new Labour, the less and less popular they have become. .

Get fucked, Tony Blair couldn't even walk the streets without being lynched in the North

Hes about as popular as crabs

How many MPs did Blair get?

How many MPs did Brown get?

How many MPs did Miliband get?

How many MPs will Corbyn get? "
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Are you telling me they were so incredibly popular that one day they just thought fuck it... Lets be different?.

Did you somehow miss that giant fucking banking crises and all the illegal wars and endless cop outs on immigration that nailed there once successful 98 election.

Was that Tony Blairs 98 election manifesto maybe?

Jesus Christ, get him back if you wanna try it, its no skin off my nose to see labour bite the bullet once and for all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The banking crisis had nothing to do with the national Govt. Some would say that if the Govt hadn't implemented the plans they had, which the other wealthy nations followed suit in, the fall of the global economy could have been a lot worse.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The banking crisis had nothing to do with the national Govt. Some would say that if the Govt hadn't implemented the plans they had, which the other wealthy nations followed suit in, the fall of the global economy could have been a lot worse. "
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So your saying that new labour which was in charge of banking regulations had nothing to do with a banking crises caused by bad regulation?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that. "
....Yes...But it sure has tainted the party ever since.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that. "
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WAS being the word, they got in on a promise of change from a 90s Tory recession (which was almost over) inherited a relatively stable economy, and put in place regulation and practises which caused the largest housing boom in known history (if its good enough for the Tories we can get away with it as well).

They then got a public binge of debt and put that to work on cheap Chinese products which hid the Inflation of the debt bubble they had created.

Its fucking straight A Tory rule book economic policy, no wonder they were popular

Good luck selling that shit today though, most folks have seen the light

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As well as cheap Chinese imports they also drove down labour costs by allowing unfettered immigration which practically nobody else in Europe thought was a good idea because they all didnt.

New labour, the darlings of guardian readers everywhere

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that. ....Yes...But it sure has tainted the party ever since."

Any Tony Blair is now like a lepper who no one wants to be anywhere near or anything to do with.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that. .

They then got a public binge of debt and put that to work on cheap Chinese products which hid the Inflation of the debt bubble they had created.

Its fucking straight A Tory rule book economic policy, no wonder they were popular

Good luck selling that shit today though, most folks have seen the light"

So you think Corbyn is going to win a bigger victory than Blair?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So your saying that new labour which was in charge of banking regulations had nothing to do with a banking crises caused by bad regulation?."

It started as a crisis in the subprime mortgage market in the USA. It was excessive risk taking with investment, particularly Lehman, which subsequently collapsed, and magnified the impact globally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that. .

They then got a public binge of debt and put that to work on cheap Chinese products which hid the Inflation of the debt bubble they had created.

Its fucking straight A Tory rule book economic policy, no wonder they were popular

Good luck selling that shit today though, most folks have seen the light

So you think Corbyn is going to win a bigger victory than Blair? "
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He could but do you think Blair would have won big if half the left labour MPs constantly through their toys out of the pram?.

Either way its irrelevant Hillary Clinton just pitched this very scenario to the yanks and she couldnt even beat an orange fucking chimp with the charisma of Paul Daniels.

I wish you luck with your new Tony/Hillary/Gordon/bill front man

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that. .

They then got a public binge of debt and put that to work on cheap Chinese products which hid the Inflation of the debt bubble they had created.

Its fucking straight A Tory rule book economic policy, no wonder they were popular

Good luck selling that shit today though, most folks have seen the light

So you think Corbyn is going to win a bigger victory than Blair? .

He could but do you think Blair would have won big if half the left labour MPs constantly through their toys out of the pram?.

Either way its irrelevant Hillary Clinton just pitched this very scenario to the yanks and she couldnt even beat an orange fucking chimp with the charisma of Paul Daniels.

I wish you luck with your new Tony/Hillary/Gordon/bill front man"

Well we will see if you're right in a couple of months.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So your saying that new labour which was in charge of banking regulations had nothing to do with a banking crises caused by bad regulation?.

It started as a crisis in the subprime mortgage market in the USA. It was excessive risk taking with investment, particularly Lehman, which subsequently collapsed, and magnified the impact globally. "
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Do you actually know anything at all about banking regulations and who makes them and who applies them?

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes

So your saying that new labour which was in charge of banking regulations had nothing to do with a banking crises caused by bad regulation?.

Do you actually know anything at all about banking regulations and who makes them and who applies them?"
I thought badgers and hedgehogs were where you skills lay

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Unfortunately, some people will blindly follow the parties they support without any questioning, even when posed with source based evidence that would counter their arguments. "

I fully agree. It's common across the spectrum but especially so from right wing supporters who are red this drivel by our media which is largely right wing. Think the Sun, Mail, Express as well as via TV. Inaccurate soundbites that parrots repeat ad nauseam.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So your saying that new labour which was in charge of banking regulations had nothing to do with a banking crises caused by bad regulation?.

Do you actually know anything at all about banking regulations and who makes them and who applies them?"

The UKs banking regulators are the FCA/PRA, what used to be the FSA. Additional organisations include the FPC and the EBA for the EU. But you're trying to blame a global phenomenon on one particular Govt and saying it was the sole cause. You appear to be blindly ignorant to the fact that there were multiple causes of the global crisis which started, not in the U.K, but in the USA.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Unfortunately, some people will blindly follow the parties they support without any questioning, even when posed with source based evidence that would counter their arguments.

The left are just as bad with rags like the Guardian, in some Labour areas you could put a red rosette on a donkey and it would still win. Point was proved in the recent by election in Stoke.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that. "

And for what?

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

Are we really going to turn into the USA, where focus groups decide policy and political parties exist for the sole reason of obtaining power to service their MPs and their backers on the ensuing gravy train? Or; is somebody going to have a backbone and campaign on their ideology/convictions?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Unfortunately, some people will blindly follow the parties they support without any questioning, even when posed with source based evidence that would counter their arguments.

The left are just as bad with rags like the Guardian, in some Labour areas you could put a red rosette on a donkey and it would still win. Point was proved in the recent by election in Stoke. "

Is the Guardian literally the only example of a broadly left leaning organ of the press you could actually think of? I almost actually LOL'd at your argument collapsing mid-sentence....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Iain Wright, Hartlepool Labour MP and front bencher, has stated that he's not standing in the GE.

I honestly thought he was the future of the Labour Party "

He can't even spell his name properly

Ian Wright Wright Wright, Ian Wright Wright Wright

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Labour excuses get better and better

Up here in Scotland the one Labour mp and msp's seem to be going down the route to try and pin the blame on SNP because SNP abstained on today's vote

Problem with that is SNP made it clear in 2015 the SNP will NOT vote with the Tories Labour choose to vote with the Tories yet again to allow an election they all know they cant win how fucking dumb are they.

They could have abstained and watched the PM be embarrassed to call a vote of no confidence in her party leading the UK but no Labour vote to allow an election to happen knowing full well people in Scotland and England have lost trust with Labour.

I wonder who Labour will look to blame when they get their arses handed to them for falling into every trap the Tories are setting for them.

I hope they do get their act the together and fight as one party to take on the Tories but it doesnt look like any of them care quite happy to let another Tory government happen just to get rid of Corbyn thats fucking sad as hell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So your saying that new labour which was in charge of banking regulations had nothing to do with a banking crises caused by bad regulation?.

Do you actually know anything at all about banking regulations and who makes them and who applies them?

It wasnt global, it was every country with lax banking regulations, if it were global China, Korea, Russia, Brazil would have suffered.

Ill give you a clue, Gordon brown had already done a bailout in 2001 ish when he did that gold sell off, that was a bank bailout, it was a reckless bank that had shorted itself against the yen and needed government help, now if your the chancellor of the Exchequer and Youve just sold 100 tonnes of gold at rock bottom to bailout Goldman Sachs in 2001ish ... Which bit of changing the regulations to stop UK based banks gambling dont you fucking grasp?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that.

And for what?

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

This guy knows

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Heard Neil Kinnock talking on the radio today and for once I agreed with what he said. He said he thinks there will never be another Labour government in his lifetime.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Heard Neil Kinnock talking on the radio today and for once I agreed with what he said. He said he thinks there will never be another Labour government in his lifetime. "

There hasn't been one since 1979, so I don't know what his point is really...

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Iain Wright, Hartlepool Labour MP and front bencher, has stated that he's not standing in the GE.

I honestly thought he was the future of the Labour Party "

at 66?......

as he said in his letter by if he stood this time round, by the time the next election came round he'd be 71!!!! and he thought that was old enough (which i agree with him)

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Heard Neil Kinnock talking on the radio today and for once I agreed with what he said. He said he thinks there will never be another Labour government in his lifetime. "

Not just Neil Kinnock writing off Labour, Nick Clegg just said on BBC 2 Newsnight, "there is no realistic prospect of Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister, it's just not going to happen".

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that.

And for what?

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

Yeah? You didn't like the Human Rights Act? Civil Partnerships? Minimum wage? Independence of the bank of England's MPC? Devolution? Peace in NI? Tax Credits? Pension Credit? Sure Start? New schools? Slashed NHS waiting lists?

I thought they were pretty good.

If Labour want to be in government, they need to appeal to a wide section of society. At the moment the polls would suggest that they dont.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

That's just not true. You think a Tory government of that time would have introduced a minimum wage? (to pick only one example)

Even now I'm sure there's a large portion of the current Tory party who would happily get rid of it.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

That's just not true. You think a Tory government of that time would have introduced a minimum wage? (to pick only one example)

Even now I'm sure there's a large portion of the current Tory party who would happily get rid of it.

They introduced a minimum wage, but made it so little as to be pointless. I'm sure some Tories will be along in a minute to tell you that the last tory govt increaased the minimum wage...

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that.

And for what?

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

I thought they were pretty good.

If Labour want to be in government, they need to appeal to a wide section of society. At the moment the polls would suggest that they dont. "

They were tokenism to keep the illusion that "New" Labour was a labour party, when of course it wasn't.

Re: "appealing to society" see my earlier post. I don't feel the need to repeat myself.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

That's just not true. You think a Tory government of that time would have introduced a minimum wage? (to pick only one example)

Even now I'm sure there's a large portion of the current Tory party who would happily get rid of it.

They introduced a minimum wage, but made it so little as to be pointless. I'm sure some Tories will be along in a minute to tell you that the last tory govt increaased the minimum wage..."

Why would they need to, you already did it for them.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

That's just not true. You think a Tory government of that time would have introduced a minimum wage? (to pick only one example)

Even now I'm sure there's a large portion of the current Tory party who would happily get rid of it.

They introduced a minimum wage, but made it so little as to be pointless. I'm sure some Tories will be along in a minute to tell you that the last tory govt increaased the minimum wage..."

It was low because that's all they could have gotten away with without being labeled communists or some such in the press.

We live in a largely right wing country and looking to an outright left wing party to win, whilst demonising the past achievements of a centrist party, is going to achieve nothing other than years of damaging Tory rule.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

That's just not true. You think a Tory government of that time would have introduced a minimum wage? (to pick only one example)

Even now I'm sure there's a large portion of the current Tory party who would happily get rid of it.

They introduced a minimum wage, but made it so little as to be pointless. I'm sure some Tories will be along in a minute to tell you that the last tory govt increaased the minimum wage...

It was low because that's all they could have gotten away with without being labeled communists or some such in the press.

I don't agree with you, New Labour were only "centrist" if you allow for the fact that politics seems to have shifted to the right. They were, and are looking more and more like a right wing coup set on destroying the Labour movement (note: movement, not party) by destroying the only majority left wing political organisation.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

That's just not true. You think a Tory government of that time would have introduced a minimum wage? (to pick only one example)

Even now I'm sure there's a large portion of the current Tory party who would happily get rid of it.

They introduced a minimum wage, but made it so little as to be pointless. I'm sure some Tories will be along in a minute to tell you that the last tory govt increaased the minimum wage...

It was low because that's all they could have gotten away with without being labeled communists or some such in the press.

Destroy, or make electable or at least relevant? A matter of perspective, I suppose, but even if the whole Labour party were suddenly behind Corbyn, he'd never be PM.

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over a year ago

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that.

And for what?

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

I thought they were pretty good.

If Labour want to be in government, they need to appeal to a wide section of society. At the moment the polls would suggest that they dont. "
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Listen, its not that everything they did was bad!.

Its just that everything they did was Tory or almost Tory policy.

What they actually did was steal Tory middle ground, which is fine if your a Tory like you clearly are... But then your slag off Tory policies constantly without realising your a Tory.

Why dont you just vote Tory and let people who are actually labour supporters vote for labour policies instead of insisting that you drag them to the right for you to able to say... Oh yes i vote labour, i love black People, feminists and transgender!.

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over a year ago

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

That's just not true. You think a Tory government of that time would have introduced a minimum wage? (to pick only one example)

Even now I'm sure there's a large portion of the current Tory party who would happily get rid of it.

They introduced a minimum wage, but made it so little as to be pointless. I'm sure some Tories will be along in a minute to tell you that the last tory govt increaased the minimum wage...

It was low because that's all they could have gotten away with without being labeled communists or some such in the press.

Destroy, or make electable or at least relevant? A matter of perspective, I suppose, but even if the whole Labour party were suddenly behind Corbyn, he'd never be PM. "
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Thats just utter bullshit that youve just made up off the top of your head.

The only reason hes perceived? as unelectable is because people like you who "claim" to be labour but really are a Tory constantly? stab him in the back with bollocks You've just made up

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over a year ago

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that.

And for what?

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

I thought they were pretty good.

If Labour want to be in government, they need to appeal to a wide section of society. At the moment the polls would suggest that they dont. .

Listen, its not that everything they did was bad!.

Its just that everything they did was Tory or almost Tory policy.

What they actually did was steal Tory middle ground, which is fine if your a Tory like you clearly are... But then your slag off Tory policies constantly without realising your a Tory.

wrong ... the tories have always been on the right. the liberals were the traditional centrists ... but when the liberals were distracted by a battle for the centre with the SDP, new lab snook in like a robbers dog and nicked their policies and the centre ground

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

That's just not true. You think a Tory government of that time would have introduced a minimum wage? (to pick only one example)

Even now I'm sure there's a large portion of the current Tory party who would happily get rid of it.

They introduced a minimum wage, but made it so little as to be pointless. I'm sure some Tories will be along in a minute to tell you that the last tory govt increaased the minimum wage...

It was low because that's all they could have gotten away with without being labeled communists or some such in the press.

Destroy, or make electable or at least relevant? A matter of perspective, I suppose, but even if the whole Labour party were suddenly behind Corbyn, he'd never be PM. "

They are incredibly relevant under Corbyn, that is proved by the fact that most people support his policies until they find out that they are his policies. Electable? Probably not, given the treatment he's had in the press and the willingness to believe it that the public seem to have.

I don't actually think that he ever really wanted to be PM (He's pushing 70), what I think he wanted to do was secure a Labour Party that is once again a socialsit alternative, and I think that will be his legacy. He is aware enough to know that revolutions often eat their own children.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that.

And for what?

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

I thought they were pretty good.

If Labour want to be in government, they need to appeal to a wide section of society. At the moment the polls would suggest that they dont. .

Listen, its not that everything they did was bad!.

Its just that everything they did was Tory or almost Tory policy.

What they actually did was steal Tory middle ground, which is fine if your a Tory like you clearly are... But then your slag off Tory policies constantly without realising your a Tory.

The tories, and New Labour were right, the Lib Dems actually looked to be more left than New Labour until they formed a coalition govt and showed themselves up to be nothing more than power-hungry opportunists.

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over a year ago

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that.

And for what?

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

I thought they were pretty good.

If Labour want to be in government, they need to appeal to a wide section of society. At the moment the polls would suggest that they dont. .

Listen, its not that everything they did was bad!.

Its just that everything they did was Tory or almost Tory policy.

What they actually did was steal Tory middle ground, which is fine if your a Tory like you clearly are... But then your slag off Tory policies constantly without realising your a Tory.

that happened later in the timescale

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over a year ago

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that.

And for what?

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

I thought they were pretty good.

If Labour want to be in government, they need to appeal to a wide section of society. At the moment the polls would suggest that they dont. .

Listen, its not that everything they did was bad!.

Its just that everything they did was Tory or almost Tory policy.

What they actually did was steal Tory middle ground, which is fine if your a Tory like you clearly are... But then your slag off Tory policies constantly without realising your a Tory.

Then why didnt phoney Tony join the libs and leave labour to an alternative leftist party?.

I mean he could have done that far more easily than changing labours direction?.

Its like he was some sort of dirty right wing cunt who had been sent undercover to fuck up the opposition?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that.

And for what?

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

I thought they were pretty good.

If Labour want to be in government, they need to appeal to a wide section of society. At the moment the polls would suggest that they dont. .

Listen, its not that everything they did was bad!.

Its just that everything they did was Tory or almost Tory policy.

What they actually did was steal Tory middle ground, which is fine if your a Tory like you clearly are... But then your slag off Tory policies constantly without realising your a Tory.

Then why didnt phoney Tony join the libs and leave labour to an alternative leftist party?.

I mean he could have done that far more easily than changing labours direction?.

Its like he was some sort of dirty right wing cunt who had been sent undercover to fuck up the opposition?"

So it's not just me then...

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over a year ago

"Then why didnt phoney Tony join the libs and leave labour to an alternative leftist party?.

try asking him instead of someone who doesn't give a shit

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over a year ago

"New Labour was the most successful in terms of MPs that Labour has ever been. You can't deny that.

And for what?

You might as well have voted Tory as New Labour for all the differences in policy they had.

I thought they were pretty good.

If Labour want to be in government, they need to appeal to a wide section of society. At the moment the polls would suggest that they dont. .

Listen, its not that everything they did was bad!.

Its just that everything they did was Tory or almost Tory policy.

What they actually did was steal Tory middle ground, which is fine if your a Tory like you clearly are... But then your slag off Tory policies constantly without realising your a Tory.

Then why didnt phoney Tony join the libs and leave labour to an alternative leftist party?.

I mean he could have done that far more easily than changing labours direction?.

Its like he was some sort of dirty right wing cunt who had been sent undercover to fuck up the opposition?

So it's not just me then..."
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Well what the fuck happened to shift everybody right?.

I dont honestly know, as a life long Tory voter i find myself without a party to vote for because my main priority now is to stop bombing people.

Who do i vote for on that? JC.

I like him as a person and as a politican, his policies i could half live with, his constant use of the word justice is ill grant you annoying.

I like all those things i listed above, he fits them perfectly.

Do i want to be a hard right brexiter with no say in any decision, no, do i want a totalitarian government making every decision for me, no, do i like left wing policies, no but honestly im genuinely thinking of swapping.

Branding is very powerful these days, i often wonder whether any of these so called labour voters would vote Tory lite instead of new labour?

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over a year ago

"Then why didnt phoney Tony join the libs and leave labour to an alternative leftist party?.

try asking him instead of someone who doesn't give a shit"
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Is that your standard response when you dont know the answer?.

If you didnt give a shit you wouldnt be on here would you?.

Its ok to not know the answer sometimes, when you dig down we all find answers we dont like at times, dont be afraid of that

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over a year ago

"Then why didnt phoney Tony join the libs and leave labour to an alternative leftist party?.

try asking him instead of someone who doesn't give a shit.

Is that your standard response when you dont know the answer?.

If you didnt give a shit you wouldnt be on here would you?.

Its ok to not know the answer sometimes, when you dig down we all find answers we dont like at times, dont be afraid of that"

i'm not afraid .... just seems daft that you ask me to explain someone elses personal train of thought leading up to a decision that they made ... and why would i like or dislike the answer? i already said i don't give a shit

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

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This is what your up against with Labour who clearly have no clue on anything

Ian Murray the one Labour MP in Scotland says this and i quote "This election is unnecessary at a time of huge political and constitutional upheaval''

Then he goes and votes for to have the electon there is a saying in Scotland for this type of thing the man is an Eejit there is some good old Scottish slang

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

There we have it the Labour leader in his own words blaming his party for letting the Tories in 1979 and i wasnt even born then i can see this.

There you have it lol, where did he use the word blame?

What you see is what your told from a certain fake reverend from Bath, and I have the book in question and know the context in which it is written.

And lets not forget that the Cunningham amendment was in the bill at the third reading and the snp voted for it, sour grapes as usual from the nats.

Just to add one more thing, there was also a vote of no confidence on the 14 of December previously and the snp went hand in hand with Maggie to vote against Callaghans government. They were unsuccessful that night, but if they won, the referendum on devolution would have been cancelled and this is the origin of the term Tartan Tories came from, and it stuck. In the subsequent General election the snp were reduced from 11 MP,s down to 2, Scotland seen their treachery and booted them out. History will repeat itself pretty soon.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"James Callaghan and i quote '' I have since wondered whether those 34 Labour members would have voted they way they did if they had been able to foresee that their votes on that evening would precipitate a general election 1979 at the least favorable time for their government''

There we have it the Labour leader in his own words blaming his party for letting the Tories in 1979 and i wasnt even born then i can see this.

There you have it lol, where did he use the word blame?

What you see is what your told from a certain fake reverend from Bath, and I have the book in question and know the context in which it is written.

And lets not forget that the Cunningham amendment was in the bill at the third reading and the snp voted for it, sour grapes as usual from the nats.

Who said anything about Wings ?

If you cant read between the lines to what he is saying ok fair enough more fool you though.

Anyway lets talk about what happened yesterday.

Labour choose to vote with the Tories for an election to happen then the SNP bad shite comes out again blaming the SNP of abstaining the problem is SNP were very clear in 2015 when that election happened the SNP said they will NOT vote with the Tories and will make life hard for the Tories at every turn and they are keeping to their word while Labour help the Tories and they cant even see they are falling for every trap the Tories are setting for Labour to walk into.

Labour could have voted against or abstained and watched as Theresa had to be forced into calling a vote of no confidence of her leadership that would have been very funny to see but no Labour vote with the Tories once again and you wonder why up in Scotland they are getting called Red Tories

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Heard Neil Kinnock talking on the radio today and for once I agreed with what he said. He said he thinks there will never be another Labour government in his lifetime.

Not just Neil Kinnock writing off Labour, Nick Clegg just said on BBC 2 Newsnight, "there is no realistic prospect of Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister, it's just not going to happen". "

Another who has binned Labours chances, Nicola Sturgeon said today the idea of Corbyn becoming Prime minister is Pie in the sky.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Labour MP Andy Burnham announced earlier he will not be standing again in this election.

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Still you can't find the word blame, your interpretation skills are legendary. I never mentioned "wings", I mentioned a fake rev, yet your reply mirrored exactly his response on the subject.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Still you can't find the word blame, your interpretation skills are legendary. I never mentioned "wings", I mentioned a fake rev, yet your reply mirrored exactly his response on the subject. "

Ok nice we simple question just to see your view and opinion do you think Labour will win this election yes or no ?

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Neither Jeremy Corbyn or Nicola Sturgeon will be the next Prime Minister.

Who do you think will win it?

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Neither Jeremy Corbyn or Nicola Sturgeon will be the next Prime Minister.

Who do you think will win it?"

Ok so you think Labour have no chance of winning the election. Do you think the Tories will win and by a bigger majority ?

Sadly i think the Tories will win really dont want them too but this is the reason why this election has been called for the Tories to make sure they have a bigger majority where they can vote through anything they want.

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry to see Gisela Stuart not Standing

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over a year ago

"Sorry to see Gisela Stuart not Standing

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...Agree....she always talked alot of sense.

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Is it wrong to seek a majority?

You were one that ridiculously claimed she "unelected", now she is seeking to be "elected" and you still moan. I thought that you would be happy to see her seek the personal mandate to give her premiership credibility.

This is politics, its a dirty game.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

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"Is it wrong to seek a majority?

This is politics, its a dirty game. "

I answered your question if you wouldnt mind answering mine please

Do you think the Tories will win and by a bigger majority ?

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over a year ago

I dont know who will win, i think it will be Tory majority but not by much.

I just looked back on Google, during the early 2000s many political commentators said they could never foresee another Tory victory for a generation?.

So i looked back at the results Thatcher got in with a small majority in 79 something like about 25.

Then in 83 she had a "landslide" of 140 majority, political commentators said labour would never get back in power?.

Her next election saw her majority drop to about 90!.

By the time John major came about his majority was only about 25 again.

In the 97 election, they thought it was neck and neck.

Blair won with a 180 majority(what happened for the Tories to go from 100s majority to a loss of 180??) four years later in June 2001 Blair got back in with a 170 majority, political commentators declared the Tories will never get back in by the time we get to 2005 Gordon brown was in there'd be no recession or economic trouble but thanks to Blairs wars brown saw his majority slip to about 60.

In 2010 labour lost (a surprise according to political commentators

Tory/lib coalition and in 2015 the Tories got in with a 16 majority (a massive surprise according to political commentators

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

The polls would suggest that the Conservatives will return to government with a greater majority.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

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"The polls would suggest that the Conservatives will return to government with a greater majority.

So do you agree with the polls then ? If you do can you see how crazy it was for Labour to vote with the Tories when they know they have no chance of winning ?

Like i said they could have voted against or abstained to force the Tories into an embarrassing moment of having to call a vote of no confidence in Theresa May leadership

At least the SNP kept to their word of not voting with the Tories and will make it very hard for the Tories just as an opposition should be doing not voting with the government.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"The folks arguing against Corbyn and in favour of new labour remind me of the Hillary supporter Dems.

You got your arse kicked by David Cameron and the Tories.

Are you seriously saying going back to that is a sure fire success to be shoehorned back in?.

Labour lost millions of people with their phoney wars and sell out of working class people to the EU slave labour trade.

You fucked yourselves, youve got nobody to blame but new labour.

actually new Labour was incredibly popular, the further they have moved away from new Labour, the less and less popular they have become. .

Get fucked, Tony Blair couldn't even walk the streets without being lynched in the North

Hes about as popular as crabs

How many MPs did Blair get?

How many MPs did Brown get?

How many MPs did Miliband get?

How many MPs will Corbyn get? .

Are you telling me they were so incredibly popular that one day they just thought fuck it... Lets be different?.

Did you somehow miss that giant fucking banking crises and all the illegal wars and endless cop outs on immigration that nailed there once successful 98 election.

Was that Tony Blairs 98 election manifesto maybe?

Jesus Christ, get him back if you wanna try it, its no skin off my nose to see labour bite the bullet once and for all"

I'd love to take a look at Tony Blair's / New Labour's 1998 General Election Manifesto!

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

So your saying that new labour which was in charge of banking regulations had nothing to do with a banking crises caused by bad regulation?.

All I can say is thank fuck for Labour's foresight in keeping hold of all those gold reserves to help the economy through the banking crisis.

Oh, wait a minute.......

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Labour MP Andy Burnham announced earlier he will not be standing again in this election. "

He is hoping to be Mayor isn't he?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The folks arguing against Corbyn and in favour of new labour remind me of the Hillary supporter Dems.

You got your arse kicked by David Cameron and the Tories.

Are you seriously saying going back to that is a sure fire success to be shoehorned back in?.

Labour lost millions of people with their phoney wars and sell out of working class people to the EU slave labour trade.

You fucked yourselves, youve got nobody to blame but new labour.

actually new Labour was incredibly popular, the further they have moved away from new Labour, the less and less popular they have become. .

Get fucked, Tony Blair couldn't even walk the streets without being lynched in the North

Hes about as popular as crabs

How many MPs did Blair get?

How many MPs did Brown get?

How many MPs did Miliband get?

How many MPs will Corbyn get? .

Are you telling me they were so incredibly popular that one day they just thought fuck it... Lets be different?.

Did you somehow miss that giant fucking banking crises and all the illegal wars and endless cop outs on immigration that nailed there once successful 98 election.

Was that Tony Blairs 98 election manifesto maybe?

Jesus Christ, get him back if you wanna try it, its no skin off my nose to see labour bite the bullet once and for all

I'd love to take a look at Tony Blair's / New Labour's 1998 General Election Manifesto! "

I doubt they wrote one in 1998 just a year after their massive landslide majority in 1997, but you will easily find their 1997 manifesto online.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The polls would suggest that the Conservatives will return to government with a greater majority.

So do you agree with the polls then ? If you do can you see how crazy it was for Labour to vote with the Tories when they know they have no chance of winning ?

Like i said they could have voted against or abstained to force the Tories into an embarrassing moment of having to call a vote of no confidence in Theresa May leadership

At least the SNP kept to their word of not voting with the Tories and will make it very hard for the Tories just as an opposition should be doing not voting with the government.

Do the SNP really want to get rid of the Tory government? In many respects the SNPs actually help the Tories in Westminster.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

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"The polls would suggest that the Conservatives will return to government with a greater majority.

So do you agree with the polls then ? If you do can you see how crazy it was for Labour to vote with the Tories when they know they have no chance of winning ?

Like i said they could have voted against or abstained to force the Tories into an embarrassing moment of having to call a vote of no confidence in Theresa May leadership

At least the SNP kept to their word of not voting with the Tories and will make it very hard for the Tories just as an opposition should be doing not voting with the government.

Do the SNP really want to get rid of the Tory government? In many respects the SNPs actually help the Tories in Westminster. "

Help in what way ? Scotland does not vote for the Tories and the SNP made it clear in 2015 they wont vote with the Tories they will make it hard for them

The SNP act more like a opposition than what Labour do.

2015 SNP were willing to work with Labour and other parties to lock the Tories out and the best Labour could come up with was no they wont work with the SNP and would rather not form a government and quite happy to let the Tories win.

Again they are at it by saying Labour wont work with the SNP and other parties to lock the Tories not that the SNP have offered that all Nicola says if there were talks on locking out the Tories she would be ok with having those talks.

Seems Labour learn nothing from losing elections

The end is coming for the UK and everyone can see it. Why should Scotland suffer Tory cuts and nasty ass policies when Scotland doesnt vote Tory

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

So do you agree with the polls then ?

I have no reason to disagree with them

If you do can you see how crazy it was for Labour to vote with the Tories when they know they have no chance of winning ?

Question should really be does Corbyn agree with them? My thoughts on the matter has very little influence on Labours voting strategy.

Corbyn sees this as a chance, however slim, its a chance of getting the Conservatives out of number 10 and changing things Hes taking the chance, the snp would rather sit on their hands and do nothing, blaming everyone else for the situation we are in and taking responsibility for nothing.

I,m surprised the snp did not embrace this chance and welcome it. The truth here is that the snp had achieved great success at the last GE and will no doubt lose a good few MP,s at the next.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

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"So do you agree with the polls then ?

I have no reason to disagree with them

If you do can you see how crazy it was for Labour to vote with the Tories when they know they have no chance of winning ?

Question should really be does Corbyn agree with them? My thoughts on the matter has very little influence on Labours voting strategy.

I,m surprised the snp did not embrace this chance and welcome it. The truth here is that the snp had achieved great success at the last GE and will no doubt lose a good few MP,s at the next."

There we go how crazy it sounds vote for an election knowing for well Labour wont win but do it anyway to then witness the Tories get a bigger majority who will be to blame for Labour losing this election as you knwo full well Scottish Labour will try and pass the blame on SNP they always do Labour have forgot they have to earn people's trust

Again i think it needs spelled out SNP didnt vote with the Tories they are the ones keeping to their word to NOT voting with them Why vote for election just to see the Tories gain a bigger majority when they could lose the majority with the Tory fraud claims.

The SNP may lose seats they may gain seats but what we all know the SNP will win a majority of seats in Scotland and yes i already know and can see the way pro unionists are trying to make it look like if the SNP were to lose seats then that kills the case for independence if they really thought then i would love to see them answer this

If the Tories lose seats will that mean brexit is off the agenda will if fuck.

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

The people of the UK voted for Brexit, not the tories.

Your constant whining and stamping feet stating its all the tories fault is simply nonsense.

It may have been the tories that called for the referendum, so you seem to think they are to blame for its loss.

Could the same apply to the snp when they lost the referendum that they called for, was it the snp,s fault they lost?

Its called democracy, you have to accept it when you lose as much as when you win.

But then your independence obsession is much more important than transparent democracy, as your dear leader did say "Independence transcends all".

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

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"The people of the UK voted for Brexit, not the tories.

Your constant whining and stamping feet stating its all the tories fault is simply nonsense.

It may have been the tories that called for the referendum, so you seem to think they are to blame for its loss.

Could the same apply to the snp when they lost the referendum that they called for, was it the snp,s fault they lost?

Its called democracy, you have to accept it when you lose as much as when you win.

But then your independence obsession is much more important than transparent democracy, as your dear leader did say "Independence transcends all"."

The people in Scotland elected the SNP in 2016 on their manifesto to hold a independence referendum if need be and Holyrood took that vote and passed should that should be respected or it is very undemocratic.

Oh god the 2014 independence referendum was NOT about any parties there was a yes side and no side.

So am interested to know do you think SNP being elected in 2015 and 2016 on their manifesto is democratic ?

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

The snp are a minority government in Scotland, not a majority one.

And the EU referendum was also non partisan, with remain and leave campaigns. Yet you seem to be blaming the tories despite the PM, chancellor and most of its cabinet wishing to remain. Do you know how silly your whinging and wriggling looks like?

You,ll need to remind me here, was there a commitment to independence in the 2015 snp manifesto? I cant find it. There was a conditional one in the 2016, so we have snp MP,s and MSP,s elected on two different manifestos.

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over a year ago

"Sorry to see Gisela Stuart not Standing

Even I have to agree with that. Came across as a very impressive, knowledgable, compassionate yet headstrong.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Sorry to see Gisela Stuart not Standing

Even I have to agree with that. Came across as a very impressive, knowledgable, compassionate yet headstrong. "

Nothing to do with her Brexit stance then?

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

"Labour MP Andy Burnham announced earlier he will not be standing again in this election.

He is hoping to be Mayor isn't he? "

Andy Burnham is going to be Mayor of Manchester.

Alan Johnson isn't standing either. The Hull MP, was often described as "the best leader the Labour Party never had"

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By *anbrCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Norway?! Held the bankers to account and their economy is thriving now! We patted them on the back and told them to have another go! Surely it's time to recoup money from the haves rather than the have not? Rees Mogg's wife has been awarded 7.6M as a gift to save her ancestral home and yet we're taking mobility money away from disabled people. And Buckingham Palace.....

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Labour MP Andy Burnham announced earlier he will not be standing again in this election.

He is hoping to be Mayor isn't he?

Andy Burnham is going to be Mayor of Manchester.

Alan Johnson isn't standing either. The Hull MP, was often described as "the best leader the Labour Party never had""

It's like rats deserting a sinking ship.

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over a year ago

I completely agree with what Norway done and believe that we should have adopted the same punishments. I also believe that the bailouts should have been paid in order to settle at least a percentage of people's mortgages, loans and so on. Unfortunately, the 3 Govts following the crisis failed to implement any further programmes that would have been better for our economy, as I believe the austerity programme leaves a lot to be desired and has failed to rescue our economy.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"The folks arguing against Corbyn and in favour of new labour remind me of the Hillary supporter Dems.

You got your arse kicked by David Cameron and the Tories.

Are you seriously saying going back to that is a sure fire success to be shoehorned back in?.

Labour lost millions of people with their phoney wars and sell out of working class people to the EU slave labour trade.

You fucked yourselves, youve got nobody to blame but new labour.

actually new Labour was incredibly popular, the further they have moved away from new Labour, the less and less popular they have become. .

Get fucked, Tony Blair couldn't even walk the streets without being lynched in the North

Hes about as popular as crabs

How many MPs did Blair get?

How many MPs did Brown get?

How many MPs did Miliband get?

How many MPs will Corbyn get? .

Are you telling me they were so incredibly popular that one day they just thought fuck it... Lets be different?.

Did you somehow miss that giant fucking banking crises and all the illegal wars and endless cop outs on immigration that nailed there once successful 98 election.

Was that Tony Blairs 98 election manifesto maybe?

Jesus Christ, get him back if you wanna try it, its no skin off my nose to see labour bite the bullet once and for all

I'd love to take a look at Tony Blair's / New Labour's 1998 General Election Manifesto!

I doubt they wrote one in 1998 just a year after their massive landslide majority in 1997, but you will easily find their 1997 manifesto online. "

That's what I was getting at!

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over a year ago

"The folks arguing against Corbyn and in favour of new labour remind me of the Hillary supporter Dems.

You got your arse kicked by David Cameron and the Tories.

Are you seriously saying going back to that is a sure fire success to be shoehorned back in?.

Labour lost millions of people with their phoney wars and sell out of working class people to the EU slave labour trade.

You fucked yourselves, youve got nobody to blame but new labour.

actually new Labour was incredibly popular, the further they have moved away from new Labour, the less and less popular they have become. .

Get fucked, Tony Blair couldn't even walk the streets without being lynched in the North

Hes about as popular as crabs

How many MPs did Blair get?

How many MPs did Brown get?

How many MPs did Miliband get?

How many MPs will Corbyn get? .

Are you telling me they were so incredibly popular that one day they just thought fuck it... Lets be different?.

Did you somehow miss that giant fucking banking crises and all the illegal wars and endless cop outs on immigration that nailed there once successful 98 election.

Was that Tony Blairs 98 election manifesto maybe?

Jesus Christ, get him back if you wanna try it, its no skin off my nose to see labour bite the bullet once and for all

I'd love to take a look at Tony Blair's / New Labour's 1998 General Election Manifesto!

I doubt they wrote one in 1998 just a year after their massive landslide majority in 1997, but you will easily find their 1997 manifesto online.

That's what I was getting at! "
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What i wrote 98 instead of 97

Ive already wrote somewhere the figures for labours huge wins.

97-180ish majority

2001(June) - 170ish

2005- 60???

What happened between 97 and 2005 to lose 120 seats?

Certainly wasnt the usual case of the economy, it was booming, so what was it do you think?

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

Mike Kane, the shadow Education Secretary, was on the Daily Politics show.

On a day when JC is highlighting class sizes, he was asked several times to say where the extra £3 billion was coming from. He didn't know.

He was then asked what Labour's optimum class size would be, asked several times. He refused to give an answer, or again, didn't know!

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over a year ago

"Mike Kane, the shadow Education Secretary, was on the Daily Politics show.

On a day when JC is highlighting class sizes, he was asked several times to say where the extra £3 billion was coming from. He didn't know.

He was then asked what Labour's optimum class size would be, asked several times. He refused to give an answer, or again, didn't know!

Saw that, what a joke, then is stupid enough to call Brexiters xenophobes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If labour have any sort of sense they would vote against the GE today that will force the Conservatives to vote no confidence in the PM if they want a election "

That would be fine if we didn't have such a biased media. They would use this against Corbyn and say that he's running scared

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Spot on

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"The folks arguing against Corbyn and in favour of new labour remind me of the Hillary supporter Dems.

You got your arse kicked by David Cameron and the Tories.

Are you seriously saying going back to that is a sure fire success to be shoehorned back in?.

Labour lost millions of people with their phoney wars and sell out of working class people to the EU slave labour trade.

You fucked yourselves, youve got nobody to blame but new labour.

actually new Labour was incredibly popular, the further they have moved away from new Labour, the less and less popular they have become. .

Get fucked, Tony Blair couldn't even walk the streets without being lynched in the North

Hes about as popular as crabs

How many MPs did Blair get?

How many MPs did Brown get?

How many MPs did Miliband get?

How many MPs will Corbyn get? .

Are you telling me they were so incredibly popular that one day they just thought fuck it... Lets be different?.

Did you somehow miss that giant fucking banking crises and all the illegal wars and endless cop outs on immigration that nailed there once successful 98 election.

Was that Tony Blairs 98 election manifesto maybe?

Jesus Christ, get him back if you wanna try it, its no skin off my nose to see labour bite the bullet once and for all

I'd love to take a look at Tony Blair's / New Labour's 1998 General Election Manifesto!

I doubt they wrote one in 1998 just a year after their massive landslide majority in 1997, but you will easily find their 1997 manifesto online.

That's what I was getting at! .

What i wrote 98 instead of 97

Ive already wrote somewhere the figures for labours huge wins.

97-180ish majority

2001(June) - 170ish

2005- 60???

What happened between 97 and 2005 to lose 120 seats?

Certainly wasnt the usual case of the economy, it was booming, so what was it do you think?"

The lies told to take us into the Iraq war for a start

Selling our gold reserves

Taking money from pensions

PFI in the NHS

Open door immigration policy

Spend, spend, spend.

Like Viv Nicholson, looks good while you're spending it but eventually you end up broke. The only difference was Viv Nicholson did it with her own money, Blair and Brown did it with ours.

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over a year ago

"The folks arguing against Corbyn and in favour of new labour remind me of the Hillary supporter Dems.

You got your arse kicked by David Cameron and the Tories.

Are you seriously saying going back to that is a sure fire success to be shoehorned back in?.

Labour lost millions of people with their phoney wars and sell out of working class people to the EU slave labour trade.

You fucked yourselves, youve got nobody to blame but new labour.

actually new Labour was incredibly popular, the further they have moved away from new Labour, the less and less popular they have become. .

Get fucked, Tony Blair couldn't even walk the streets without being lynched in the North

Hes about as popular as crabs

How many MPs did Blair get?

How many MPs did Brown get?

How many MPs did Miliband get?

How many MPs will Corbyn get? .

Are you telling me they were so incredibly popular that one day they just thought fuck it... Lets be different?.

Did you somehow miss that giant fucking banking crises and all the illegal wars and endless cop outs on immigration that nailed there once successful 98 election.

Was that Tony Blairs 98 election manifesto maybe?

Jesus Christ, get him back if you wanna try it, its no skin off my nose to see labour bite the bullet once and for all

I'd love to take a look at Tony Blair's / New Labour's 1998 General Election Manifesto!

I doubt they wrote one in 1998 just a year after their massive landslide majority in 1997, but you will easily find their 1997 manifesto online.

That's what I was getting at! .

What i wrote 98 instead of 97

Ive already wrote somewhere the figures for labours huge wins.

97-180ish majority

2001(June) - 170ish

2005- 60???

What happened between 97 and 2005 to lose 120 seats?

Certainly wasnt the usual case of the economy, it was booming, so what was it do you think?

The lies told to take us into the Iraq war for a start

Selling our gold reserves

Taking money from pensions

PFI in the NHS

Open door immigration policy

Spend, spend, spend.

Like Viv Nicholson, looks good while you're spending it but eventually you end up broke. The only difference was Viv Nicholson did it with her own money, Blair and Brown did it with ours.

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Now like i said there really isnt any evidence to suggest it was anything to do with the economy, in 2005 it was still booming!

Open door immigration had only just begun so probably not that either!, the gold reserves wasn't really a big story at the time and anyway that was way before the 2005 election.

Now Iraq and Afghanistan!!.

Now how many times have i read that the UK is a "right wing" country!.

We almost practically booted out the most economic successful government in 25 years because of two wars!.

That dont sound right wing to me

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over a year ago

"Sorry to see Gisela Stuart not Standing

Even I have to agree with that. Came across as a very impressive, knowledgable, compassionate yet headstrong.

Nothing to do with her Brexit stance then?

No; and why would it? Please read my post again and go see someone about your noncomprehendosis. It is having a terrible effect on you.

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