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"Woo Hoo......Yes the working classes will get there arses kicked further into touch....The NHS will be funded to ensure it fails......Oh and the rich will get richer....Fuck it must be great to want all the above "You forget all those in the tory party who want to lick Trump's arsehole. Vote tory and expect Britain to walk like a poodle next to America as they proceed to jump into a regime change war. That'll come back and hurt you through tax as well, and rack up the deficit. | |||
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"Woo Hoo......Yes the working classes will get there arses kicked further into touch....The NHS will be funded to ensure it fails......Oh and the rich will get richer....Fuck it must be great to want all the above
You forget all those in the tory party who want to lick Trump's arsehole.
Vote tory and expect Britain to walk like a poodle next to America as they proceed to jump into a regime change war.
That'll come back and hurt you through tax as well, and rack up the deficit."....Like Blair and Bush. | |||
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"Must be great to celebrate trying to get a party into government that is so sick that it wants to cut people's money on ESA and PIP they are all unfit to work yet being told they have to work just so the government can claim they have saved money nothing but utter sick. This is the same government that since 2010 have failed to meet any targets and only added to the UK debt " Very few are unfit to do at least some work, stephen Hawking seems to manage ok and I know two who are disabled, one who lost an arm and one who is in a wheelchair but do physical jobs and work long hours in their own businesses, I am all for supporting people but many need to help themselves as well | |||
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"Must be great to celebrate trying to get a party into government that is so sick that it wants to cut people's money on ESA and PIP they are all unfit to work yet being told they have to work just so the government can claim they have saved money nothing but utter sick. This is the same government that since 2010 have failed to meet any targets and only added to the UK debt " Bit like the SNP missing many of their targets in Scotland then, maybe the SNP would do better concentrating on the day job instead of constantly obsessing over independence. | |||
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"A golden opportunity to get a massive Conservative parliamentary majority, and get some change happening in this country! "  I'll be voting Conservative for no other reason than I want to see Theresa May and this government deliver on Brexit. | |||
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"Must be great to celebrate trying to get a party into government that is so sick that it wants to cut people's money on ESA and PIP they are all unfit to work yet being told they have to work just so the government can claim they have saved money nothing but utter sick. This is the same government that since 2010 have failed to meet any targets and only added to the UK debt Very few are unfit to do at least some work, stephen Hawking seems to manage ok and I know two who are disabled, one who lost an arm and one who is in a wheelchair but do physical jobs and work long hours in their own businesses, I am all for supporting people but many need to help themselves as well" Ok you know two fair enough but you cant talk for everyone as you dont know everyone in the UK and their medical history. Alot of people are unfit to work because of illness through no fault of their own and having their money cut Yeah Stephen Hawking may manage but thats not to say everyone does just because one does manage ok doesnt mean there is not people out there that cant work what about them? | |||
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"Must be great to celebrate trying to get a party into government that is so sick that it wants to cut people's money on ESA and PIP they are all unfit to work yet being told they have to work just so the government can claim they have saved money nothing but utter sick. This is the same government that since 2010 have failed to meet any targets and only added to the UK debt Bit like the SNP missing many of their targets in Scotland then, maybe the SNP would do better concentrating on the day job instead of constantly obsessing over independence. " Missing targets ? Funny that as the NHS in Scotland has the best record in the UK same with education. Is the SNP perfect no but miles better than the Tories that is why the people in Scotland elected the SNP for a 3rd term in government and with over a million votes What targets you think they have missed ? Is the media telling you about the council tax that the SNP failed to scrap in 2007 when it was in their manifesto or have they been telling you the full truth on that issue.... As in 2008 when the vote on scrapping the council tax was voted on Labour and the Tories voted against scrapping the council tax so SNP couldnt deliver on that promise as they were a minority government back then. Dont believe your British media and their lies look up the real truth Then we have UKIP claiming Scottish people are subside junkies funny it doesnt add up as if Scottish people are leeching off England then why would Westminster be so hell bend on keeping Scotland why not let a bunch of subside junkies go and save money ? | |||
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"A golden opportunity to get a massive Conservative parliamentary majority, and get some change happening in this country! I'll be voting Conservative for no other reason than I want to see Theresa May and this government deliver on Brexit. "I couldn't put it better ! Tho I'd like to see Nigel Farage stand as an indepependant and get a seat ! I know il be slated  but I'd also like to see Godfrey Bloom Stand ! I like him
But I'm afraid U K I P as a party is done ! Tho unfairly Done as they were the third largest last time ! With nowt to show ! They got more votes than the S N P !!!! | |||
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" But I'm afraid U K I P as a party is done ! Tho unfairly Done as they were the third largest last time ! With nowt to show ! They got more votes than the S N P !!!! " I hate that arguement because it compares apples to oranges since where UKIP compete in 633 (all except NI) the SNP only compete in 59! as long as the tories are truthful this time about the type of brexit agreement they want (the hard brexit) then at least people know.... no vacious statements which we all knew were not true but still trying to defend them on the side of buses this time!!!!  | |||
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" But I'm afraid U K I P as a party is done ! Tho unfairly Done as they were the third largest last time ! With nowt to show ! They got more votes than the S N P !!!! I hate that arguement because it compares apples to oranges since where UKIP compete in 633 (all except NI) the SNP only compete in 59! as long as the tories are truthful this time about the type of brexit agreement they want (the hard brexit) then at least people know.... no vacious statements which we all knew were not true but still trying to defend them on the side of buses this time!!!! "People knew what type of Brexit they were voting for in the referendum. All the main political leaders on both sides said a vote to Leave meant leaving the single market. | |||
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"A golden opportunity to get a massive Conservative parliamentary majority, and get some change happening in this country! I'll be voting Conservative for no other reason than I want to see Theresa May and this government deliver on Brexit.
I couldn't put it better !
Tho I'd like to see Nigel Farage stand as an indepependant and get a seat !
I know il be slated but I'd also like to see Godfrey Bloom Stand ! I like him
But I'm afraid U K I P as a party is done ! Tho unfairly Done as they were the third largest last time ! With nowt to show ! They got more votes than the S N P !!!! "Farage is still ukip and if he stands in Thanet South again for this election it will be on a ukip ticket. Farage wanted Douglas Carswell out of ukip and now Carswell is out Aaron Banks will be standing against him for the Clacton seat. | |||
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" Farage is still ukip and if he stands in Thanet South again for this election it will be on a ukip ticket. Farage wanted Douglas Carswell out of ukip and now Carswell is out Aaron Banks will be standing against him for the Clacton seat. " oh are you about to really... really hate what i am about to say! the problem aaron banks will have is that as much as people in ukip (and the conservatives) hate douglas carswell.... he is actually one of the better backbench mp's at getting things done for his locals (take it from someone who knows in the civil service) there is a reason people will follow carswell regardless of which party he is in... its because as mps go, he does a damn good job! and thats from someone who doesn't agree with him on anything | |||
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" Farage is still ukip and if he stands in Thanet South again for this election it will be on a ukip ticket. Farage wanted Douglas Carswell out of ukip and now Carswell is out Aaron Banks will be standing against him for the Clacton seat. oh are you about to really... really hate what i am about to say! the problem aaron banks will have is that as much as people in ukip (and the conservatives) hate douglas carswell.... he is actually one of the better backbench mp's at getting things done for his locals (take it from someone who knows in the civil service) there is a reason people will follow carswell regardless of which party he is in... its because as mps go, he does a damn good job! and thats from someone who doesn't agree with him on anything " That maybe so but you underestimate Aaron Banks at your peril. He has a lot of resources at his disposal to fight a hard campaign against Carswell and if Aaron Banks is on a ukip ticket, and Carswell as an independent there could well be a surprise result in Clacton. | |||
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" But I'm afraid U K I P as a party is done ! Tho unfairly Done as they were the third largest last time ! With nowt to show ! They got more votes than the S N P !!!! I hate that arguement because it compares apples to oranges since where UKIP compete in 633 (all except NI) the SNP only compete in 59! as long as the tories are truthful this time about the type of brexit agreement they want (the hard brexit) then at least people know.... no vacious statements which we all knew were not true but still trying to defend them on the side of buses this time!!!! "It's on press preview on sky news tonight in the Tory manifesto for this general election a triple Brexit lock promise... 1. An end to free movement of people from the EU. 2. Leave the single market. 3. Leave the European Court of Justice to make UK law supreme again. I'll vote for that  | |||
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"One thing that has been clear over the past 7 years is that the Conservative party is progressive and adaptable. Many have criticised 'U-turns' but, as someone who readily admits to mistakes and learns from them, I am encouraged by their willingness to admit that they don't always get it right, but are prepared to do the right thing rather than pursue something simply for the sake of it. Labour, on the other hand still want to carry on spending money that the country hasn't got and to nationalise everything - which the country simply can not afford. Many criticised the decision to Privatise the railways (I understand Corbyn wants to re nationalise them), but the reason that they were in such a mess in the late nineties (and why they were privatised in the first place) was due to years and years of under investment by successive governments since they were first nationalised in 1948. Let's not forget that the railways all began as private companies. I think it was Margaret Thatcher who once said 'the problem of socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money'" It's funny how privatised utilities do so well elsewhere in Europe that they have the money to come and buy ours, run it at a profit and plough those profits back into their infrastructure..... | |||
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" But I'm afraid U K I P as a party is done ! Tho unfairly Done as they were the third largest last time ! With nowt to show ! They got more votes than the S N P !!!! I hate that arguement because it compares apples to oranges since where UKIP compete in 633 (all except NI) the SNP only compete in 59! as long as the tories are truthful this time about the type of brexit agreement they want (the hard brexit) then at least people know.... no vacious statements which we all knew were not true but still trying to defend them on the side of buses this time!!!!
It's on press preview on sky news tonight in the Tory manifesto for this general election a triple Brexit lock promise...
1. An end to free movement of people from the EU.
2. Leave the single market.
3. Leave the European Court of Justice to make UK law supreme again.
I'll vote for that "You'd vote for a goldfish if it could tell you what you wanted to hear. | |||
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" But I'm afraid U K I P as a party is done ! Tho unfairly Done as they were the third largest last time ! With nowt to show ! They got more votes than the S N P !!!! I hate that arguement because it compares apples to oranges since where UKIP compete in 633 (all except NI) the SNP only compete in 59! as long as the tories are truthful this time about the type of brexit agreement they want (the hard brexit) then at least people know.... no vacious statements which we all knew were not true but still trying to defend them on the side of buses this time!!!!
It's on press preview on sky news tonight in the Tory manifesto for this general election a triple Brexit lock promise...
1. An end to free movement of people from the EU.
2. Leave the single market.
3. Leave the European Court of Justice to make UK law supreme again.
I'll vote for that
You'd vote for a goldfish if it could tell you what you wanted to hear."A goldfish would have more prospect of becoming Prime minister than Jeremy Corbyn | |||
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" But I'm afraid U K I P as a party is done ! Tho unfairly Done as they were the third largest last time ! With nowt to show ! They got more votes than the S N P !!!! I hate that arguement because it compares apples to oranges since where UKIP compete in 633 (all except NI) the SNP only compete in 59! as long as the tories are truthful this time about the type of brexit agreement they want (the hard brexit) then at least people know.... no vacious statements which we all knew were not true but still trying to defend them on the side of buses this time!!!!
It's on press preview on sky news tonight in the Tory manifesto for this general election a triple Brexit lock promise...
1. An end to free movement of people from the EU.
2. Leave the single market.
3. Leave the European Court of Justice to make UK law supreme again.
I'll vote for that
You'd vote for a goldfish if it could tell you what you wanted to hear.
A goldfish would have more prospect of becoming Prime minister than Jeremy Corbyn "That may be true but it still doesn't say much for your political choices | |||
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"It's on press preview on sky news tonight in the Tory manifesto for this general election a triple Brexit lock promise... 1. An end to free movement of people from the EU. 2. Leave the single market. 3. Leave the European Court of Justice to make UK law supreme again. I'll vote for that "Of course you will... And you will ignore the fact that May intends to grant the government the same powers as held by Henry 8 because you think any price is worth paying to get out of the EU. Even if it is the loss of freedoms gained in the last 475 years of parliamentary (since 1649). If Britain is so stupid as to follow your lead we collectively deserve everything we will get! | |||
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" Farage is still ukip and if he stands in Thanet South again for this election it will be on a ukip ticket. Farage wanted Douglas Carswell out of ukip and now Carswell is out Aaron Banks will be standing against him for the Clacton seat. oh are you about to really... really hate what i am about to say! the problem aaron banks will have is that as much as people in ukip (and the conservatives) hate douglas carswell.... he is actually one of the better backbench mp's at getting things done for his locals (take it from someone who knows in the civil service) there is a reason people will follow carswell regardless of which party he is in... its because as mps go, he does a damn good job! and thats from someone who doesn't agree with him on anything " Douglas Carswell isn't standing again. He intends to support the Conservatives. | |||
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" But I'm afraid U K I P as a party is done ! Tho unfairly Done as they were the third largest last time ! With nowt to show ! They got more votes than the S N P !!!! I hate that arguement because it compares apples to oranges since where UKIP compete in 633 (all except NI) the SNP only compete in 59! as long as the tories are truthful this time about the type of brexit agreement they want (the hard brexit) then at least people know.... no vacious statements which we all knew were not true but still trying to defend them on the side of buses this time!!!!
It's on press preview on sky news tonight in the Tory manifesto for this general election a triple Brexit lock promise...
1. An end to free movement of people from the EU.
2. Leave the single market.
3. Leave the European Court of Justice to make UK law supreme again.
I'll vote for that "Is that like the 'triple lock' Cameron brought in for pensions and that May had just said she will scrap? -Matt | |||
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" But I'm afraid U K I P as a party is done ! Tho unfairly Done as they were the third largest last time ! With nowt to show ! They got more votes than the S N P !!!! I hate that arguement because it compares apples to oranges since where UKIP compete in 633 (all except NI) the SNP only compete in 59! as long as the tories are truthful this time about the type of brexit agreement they want (the hard brexit) then at least people know.... no vacious statements which we all knew were not true but still trying to defend them on the side of buses this time!!!!
It's on press preview on sky news tonight in the Tory manifesto for this general election a triple Brexit lock promise...
1. An end to free movement of people from the EU.
2. Leave the single market.
3. Leave the European Court of Justice to make UK law supreme again.
I'll vote for that
Is that like the 'triple lock' Cameron brought in for pensions and that May had just said she will scrap?
-Matt"It's a new Prime minister, a new general election and a new manifesto. Which part of that don't you understand? | |||
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" Farage is still ukip and if he stands in Thanet South again for this election it will be on a ukip ticket. Farage wanted Douglas Carswell out of ukip and now Carswell is out Aaron Banks will be standing against him for the Clacton seat. oh are you about to really... really hate what i am about to say! the problem aaron banks will have is that as much as people in ukip (and the conservatives) hate douglas carswell.... he is actually one of the better backbench mp's at getting things done for his locals (take it from someone who knows in the civil service) there is a reason people will follow carswell regardless of which party he is in... its because as mps go, he does a damn good job! and thats from someone who doesn't agree with him on anything Douglas Carswell isn't standing again. He intends to support the Conservatives. " Yep, Carswell has bottled it. He knew Aaron Banks and ukip would fight him tooth and nail in Clacton for that seat. I think Aaron Banks has a clear run on that seat now if he wants it. If Farage wins in Thanet South too, Banks and Farage would make a formidable team in the house of Commons and Westminster. | |||
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"It's a new Prime minister, a new general election and a new manifesto. Which part of that don't you understand? " Oh we understand it perfectly. Tories pass a law making all parliaments 5 year fixed term, until it is in their political interests to call a snap election. Tories make a triple locked promise that cant be broken, until they decide to break it. Tories say NHS is safe in their hands and will not be subject to cuts, and then cut over £10 billion from its budget between 2010 and 2015 and another £3.5 billion in 2016 at the same time cutting local authority's social care funding by a third forcing the NHS to deal with the problems caused while claiming that the problems in the NHS have nothing to do with Tory policies. I am not usually vindictive but I hope that all those like you get to experience having to watch a close family member have to wait hours for an ambulance to then be turned away from your local hospital to be transported across the country to find a hospital willing to allow the ambulance to join a 4 hour queue for admission only for you to find your charged £5 an hour to park your car when you visit because the car parks have been sold off to some grubby G4S subsidiary that are milking them for all they can while the gravy train is still running. As I said at first some of us understand exactly what is going on! | |||
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"It's a new Prime minister, a new general election and a new manifesto. Which part of that don't you understand? Oh we understand it perfectly. Tories pass a law making all parliaments 5 year fixed term, until it is in their political interests to call a snap election. Tories make a triple locked promise that cant be broken, until they decide to break it. Tories say NHS is safe in their hands and will not be subject to cuts, and then cut over £10 billion from its budget between 2010 and 2015 and another £3.5 billion in 2016 at the same time cutting local authority's social care funding by a third forcing the NHS to deal with the problems caused while claiming that the problems in the NHS have nothing to do with Tory policies. I am not usually vindictive but I hope that all those like you get to experience having to watch a close family member have to wait hours for an ambulance to then be turned away from your local hospital to be transported across the country to find a hospital willing to allow the ambulance to join a 4 hour queue for admission only for you to find your charged £5 an hour to park your car when you visit because the car parks have been sold off to some grubby G4S subsidiary that are milking them for all they can while the gravy train is still running. As I said at first some of us understand exactly what is going on!" What was going on at Stafford etc under Labour? | |||
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"It's a new Prime minister, a new general election and a new manifesto. Which part of that don't you understand? Oh we understand it perfectly. Tories pass a law making all parliaments 5 year fixed term, until it is in their political interests to call a snap election. Tories make a triple locked promise that cant be broken, until they decide to break it. Tories say NHS is safe in their hands and will not be subject to cuts, and then cut over £10 billion from its budget between 2010 and 2015 and another £3.5 billion in 2016 at the same time cutting local authority's social care funding by a third forcing the NHS to deal with the problems caused while claiming that the problems in the NHS have nothing to do with Tory policies. I am not usually vindictive but I hope that all those like you get to experience having to watch a close family member have to wait hours for an ambulance to then be turned away from your local hospital to be transported across the country to find a hospital willing to allow the ambulance to join a 4 hour queue for admission only for you to find your charged £5 an hour to park your car when you visit because the car parks have been sold off to some grubby G4S subsidiary that are milking them for all they can while the gravy train is still running. As I said at first some of us understand exactly what is going on! What was going on at Stafford etc under Labour?" Oh, I remember. Labour and their new NHS middle management army of highly effective...box tickers, came up with the ingenious idea of 'meeting targets'... by eliminating elderly patients. | |||
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"It's a new Prime minister, a new general election and a new manifesto. Which part of that don't you understand? Oh we understand it perfectly. Tories pass a law making all parliaments 5 year fixed term, until it is in their political interests to call a snap election. Tories make a triple locked promise that cant be broken, until they decide to break it. Tories say NHS is safe in their hands and will not be subject to cuts, and then cut over £10 billion from its budget between 2010 and 2015 and another £3.5 billion in 2016 at the same time cutting local authority's social care funding by a third forcing the NHS to deal with the problems caused while claiming that the problems in the NHS have nothing to do with Tory policies. I am not usually vindictive but I hope that all those like you get to experience having to watch a close family member have to wait hours for an ambulance to then be turned away from your local hospital to be transported across the country to find a hospital willing to allow the ambulance to join a 4 hour queue for admission only for you to find your charged £5 an hour to park your car when you visit because the car parks have been sold off to some grubby G4S subsidiary that are milking them for all they can while the gravy train is still running. As I said at first some of us understand exactly what is going on! What was going on at Stafford etc under Labour? Oh, I remember. Labour and their new NHS middle management army of highly effective...box tickers, came up with the ingenious idea of 'meeting targets'... by eliminating elderly patients. " Yep. The number of NHS managers doubled under Labour (what they do, who knows?) Six times the rate of new nurses. Billions wasted | |||
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"It's a new Prime minister, a new general election and a new manifesto. Which part of that don't you understand? Oh we understand it perfectly. Tories pass a law making all parliaments 5 year fixed term, until it is in their political interests to call a snap election. Tories make a triple locked promise that cant be broken, until they decide to break it. Tories say NHS is safe in their hands and will not be subject to cuts, and then cut over £10 billion from its budget between 2010 and 2015 and another £3.5 billion in 2016 at the same time cutting local authority's social care funding by a third forcing the NHS to deal with the problems caused while claiming that the problems in the NHS have nothing to do with Tory policies. I am not usually vindictive but I hope that all those like you get to experience having to watch a close family member have to wait hours for an ambulance to then be turned away from your local hospital to be transported across the country to find a hospital willing to allow the ambulance to join a 4 hour queue for admission only for you to find your charged £5 an hour to park your car when you visit because the car parks have been sold off to some grubby G4S subsidiary that are milking them for all they can while the gravy train is still running. As I said at first some of us understand exactly what is going on!" Your rant started of with a false statement that it was a Tory government who Introduced fixed term Parliament's. The real fact is it was the coalition Tory/Lib dem government who introduced the fixed term parliament's. As for the rest of your vile rant wishing ill on people really shows you up for the bitter, twisted individual that you are, enough said on that. As CandM just said though, what were Labour doing during their time in power while patients on wards at Stafford hospital were suffering and having to drink water from flower vases because they were dying of thirst. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? " No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972" What makes you trust them ? Also what if they did how would it make you feel ? Just interested to know people's views that support the Tories how they would feel voting for them and then seeing them do it | |||
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"A golden opportunity to get a massive Conservative parliamentary majority, and get some change happening in this country! " Would that be the death of the nhs etc? | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972" And they seem to be doing a pretty good job of it! -Matt | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972" They dismantling the nhs stealthily..! Look at the changes made so it could be and has been privatised bit by bit. Look at the figures being spent an ask yourself how much of the money is is used on front line staff or is it going into lining the pockets of private sector organisations e. G priate hire nurses cos recruitment numbers are cut by the government! Open your eyes matey | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 They dismantling the nhs stealthily..! Look at the changes made so it could be and has been privatised bit by bit. Look at the figures being spent an ask yourself how much of the money is is used on front line staff or is it going into lining the pockets of private sector organisations e. G priate hire nurses cos recruitment numbers are cut by the government! Open your eyes matey " That started under Labour...matey | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 They dismantling the nhs stealthily..! Look at the changes made so it could be and has been privatised bit by bit. Look at the figures being spent an ask yourself how much of the money is is used on front line staff or is it going into lining the pockets of private sector organisations e. G priate hire nurses cos recruitment numbers are cut by the government! Open your eyes matey That started under Labour...matey" Wrong matey!!... New Labour!! The red tories under Blair! He genwrated a right wing element that is giving corbyn a hard time now. Blair did a lot of damage. Thatcher waz asked was her best achievement was a d she replied "tony Blair" so tjat should tell you something | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 They dismantling the nhs stealthily..! Look at the changes made so it could be and has been privatised bit by bit. Look at the figures being spent an ask yourself how much of the money is is used on front line staff or is it going into lining the pockets of private sector organisations e. G priate hire nurses cos recruitment numbers are cut by the government! Open your eyes matey That started under Labour...matey Wrong matey!!... New Labour!! The red tories under Blair! He genwrated a right wing element that is giving corbyn a hard time now. Blair did a lot of damage. Thatcher waz asked was her best achievement was a d she replied "tony Blair" so tjat should tell you something " Ah the good old new labour excuse. Well done. So did you spend years not voting for anyone? | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? " The one thing that someone does need to change is the way that the NHS is organised and funded. It is unsustainable considering the future demographic make up of the UK. However, just because change is needed does not mean that it needs flipping to an American style wholly insurance funded system. There are plenty of good, hybrid healthcare systems around the world and so there is no need to regard the early 20th Century funding model of the NHS to be absolute and precious. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? The one thing that someone does need to change is the way that the NHS is organised and funded. It is unsustainable considering the future demographic make up of the UK. However, just because change is needed does not mean that it needs flipping to an American style wholly insurance funded system. There are plenty of good, hybrid healthcare systems around the world and so there is no need to regard the early 20th Century funding model of the NHS to be absolute and precious." True. Life expectancy for a man born in the 1930's was 60 so he would have still been working/paying into it when he died, now it's 80, so what do you do? | |||
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"Your rant started of with a false statement that it was a Tory government who Introduced fixed term Parliament's. The real fact is it was the coalition Tory/Lib dem government who introduced the fixed term parliament's. As for the rest of your vile rant wishing ill on people really shows you up for the bitter, twisted individual that you are, enough said on that. As CandM just said though, what were Labour doing during their time in power while patients on wards at Stafford hospital were suffering and having to drink water from flower vases because they were dying of thirst. " You and people like you are all the same. You always find ways to blame others for what your heroes do. It was not the Tories between 2010 and 2015 it was a coalition... Bullshit! Look at what Labour did under his tonieship... That would be the tory lite 5th column adopted the centre right 'One Country' policies of the Conservative Party under the banner of 'New Labour' and purged the Labour party of socialists! And you would attempt to use them to justify what your heroes are doing! Of course as soon as the cuts effect any important area (like the former PM's Oxford constituency or any other safe tory seat) then special grants are suddenly available from central government to ease life for the wealthy! And you call what I say vile! I say you and all like you who support the tory scum really deserve to get a taste of what you think it is fine for others to have to accept so you can take as much as your avarice can imagine while those less wealthy than you pay for your greed! You may well be right I may be bitter and twisted, but if I am it is nothing compared to how angry I am at the likes of you who after 38 years of the 'greed is good' mantra still fail to notice that greed has not been good for you! Your final salary pension and your job for life have been sold to buy some billionaire a bigger boat or a Caribbean island. The road outside your home is falling apart and there is no money to fix it and it regularly breaks your shiny new plastic car that you can no longer repair yourself. Your children (or maybe grandchildren) now start their working life after leaving university with between £30000 and £80000 of debt! If they are lucky they will get to buy a 1 bed studio apartment (when I was a student they were called bedsits) by the time they are 35, but in all likelihood they will never be able to own their own home. But don't you worry about any of that you have a nice life and can grow old disgracefully spending your children'sand their children's inheritance, you may even get to sell off some of what you should be passing on on 'flog it' and use the proceeds to buy a slap up meal or a holiday! Now I am sure you will be able to find something in what I have just said to justify you saying "You don't know me. I am nothing like that!" While you brush over all the basic truths that I have described. You and your likes make me sick! | |||
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"Ah the good old new labour excuse. Well done. So did you spend years not voting for anyone?" No I left the labour party and voted green for the most part. | |||
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"Woo Hoo......Yes the working classes will get there arses kicked further into touch....The NHS will be funded to ensure it fails......Oh and the rich will get richer....Fuck it must be great to want all the above "The last thing the tories want is the focus on these issues! They'll do anything.. Anything to keep the focus on brexit | |||
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"Your rant started of with a false statement that it was a Tory government who Introduced fixed term Parliament's. The real fact is it was the coalition Tory/Lib dem government who introduced the fixed term parliament's. As for the rest of your vile rant wishing ill on people really shows you up for the bitter, twisted individual that you are, enough said on that. As CandM just said though, what were Labour doing during their time in power while patients on wards at Stafford hospital were suffering and having to drink water from flower vases because they were dying of thirst. You and people like you are all the same. You always find ways to blame others for what your heroes do. It was not the Tories between 2010 and 2015 it was a coalition... Bullshit! Look at what Labour did under his tonieship... That would be the tory lite 5th column adopted the centre right 'One Country' policies of the Conservative Party under the banner of 'New Labour' and purged the Labour party of socialists! And you would attempt to use them to justify what your heroes are doing! Of course as soon as the cuts effect any important area (like the former PM's Oxford constituency or any other safe tory seat) then special grants are suddenly available from central government to ease life for the wealthy! And you call what I say vile! I say you and all like you who support the tory scum really deserve to get a taste of what you think it is fine for others to have to accept so you can take as much as your avarice can imagine while those less wealthy than you pay for your greed! You may well be right I may be bitter and twisted, but if I am it is nothing compared to how angry I am at the likes of you who after 38 years of the 'greed is good' mantra still fail to notice that greed has not been good for you! Your final salary pension and your job for life have been sold to buy some billionaire a bigger boat or a Caribbean island. The road outside your home is falling apart and there is no money to fix it and it regularly breaks your shiny new plastic car that you can no longer repair yourself. Your children (or maybe grandchildren) now start their working life after leaving university with between £30000 and £80000 of debt! If they are lucky they will get to buy a 1 bed studio apartment (when I was a student they were called bedsits) by the time they are 35, but in all likelihood they will never be able to own their own home. But don't you worry about any of that you have a nice life and can grow old disgracefully spending your children'sand their children's inheritance, you may even get to sell off some of what you should be passing on on 'flog it' and use the proceeds to buy a slap up meal or a holiday! Now I am sure you will be able to find something in what I have just said to justify you saying "You don't know me. I am nothing like that!" While you brush over all the basic truths that I have described. You and your likes make me sick!" "Anger is a gift"..... | |||
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"Anyone know how this election is going to work out with the system about boundary changes? So when you elect an MP in October if am right there is a chance with the boundary changes you could lose your mp" The boundaries for this election will remain as they are. The MPs will sit and represent the constituencies as they are now until the next general election, even if or when the boundaries change. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? " I should imagine that most Tories are far more concerned about whether the NHS delivers good health care rather than whether it's publicly owned or not. Maybe if those who claim to support the NHS concentrated in health delivery rather than whether it's state run or not they might just get their message across. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 What makes you trust them ? Also what if they did how would it make you feel ? Just interested to know people's views that support the Tories how they would feel voting for them and then seeing them do it " If it delivered better health outcomes I'd be fine with it. But I'm not voting Conservative this time. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 They dismantling the nhs stealthily..! Look at the changes made so it could be and has been privatised bit by bit. Look at the figures being spent an ask yourself how much of the money is is used on front line staff or is it going into lining the pockets of private sector organisations e. G priate hire nurses cos recruitment numbers are cut by the government! Open your eyes matey " If you want to sell something you usually do your best to make it as attractive and successful as possible. You don't make it a financial failure. Your 'they're going to privatives the NHS' argument has little merit with possible Tory defectors unless you can show that a well funded state run system can and does produce better health outcomes than a well funded privately run system. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? The one thing that someone does need to change is the way that the NHS is organised and funded. It is unsustainable considering the future demographic make up of the UK. However, just because change is needed does not mean that it needs flipping to an American style wholly insurance funded system. There are plenty of good, hybrid healthcare systems around the world and so there is no need to regard the early 20th Century funding model of the NHS to be absolute and precious." This | |||
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"Your rant started of with a false statement that it was a Tory government who Introduced fixed term Parliament's. The real fact is it was the coalition Tory/Lib dem government who introduced the fixed term parliament's. As for the rest of your vile rant wishing ill on people really shows you up for the bitter, twisted individual that you are, enough said on that. As CandM just said though, what were Labour doing during their time in power while patients on wards at Stafford hospital were suffering and having to drink water from flower vases because they were dying of thirst. You and people like you are all the same. You always find ways to blame others for what your heroes do. It was not the Tories between 2010 and 2015 it was a coalition... Bullshit! Look at what Labour did under his tonieship... That would be the tory lite 5th column adopted the centre right 'One Country' policies of the Conservative Party under the banner of 'New Labour' and purged the Labour party of socialists! And you would attempt to use them to justify what your heroes are doing! Of course as soon as the cuts effect any important area (like the former PM's Oxford constituency or any other safe tory seat) then special grants are suddenly available from central government to ease life for the wealthy! And you call what I say vile! I say you and all like you who support the tory scum really deserve to get a taste of what you think it is fine for others to have to accept so you can take as much as your avarice can imagine while those less wealthy than you pay for your greed! You may well be right I may be bitter and twisted, but if I am it is nothing compared to how angry I am at the likes of you who after 38 years of the 'greed is good' mantra still fail to notice that greed has not been good for you! Your final salary pension and your job for life have been sold to buy some billionaire a bigger boat or a Caribbean island. The road outside your home is falling apart and there is no money to fix it and it regularly breaks your shiny new plastic car that you can no longer repair yourself. Your children (or maybe grandchildren) now start their working life after leaving university with between £30000 and £80000 of debt! If they are lucky they will get to buy a 1 bed studio apartment (when I was a student they were called bedsits) by the time they are 35, but in all likelihood they will never be able to own their own home. But don't you worry about any of that you have a nice life and can grow old disgracefully spending your children'sand their children's inheritance, you may even get to sell off some of what you should be passing on on 'flog it' and use the proceeds to buy a slap up meal or a holiday! Now I am sure you will be able to find something in what I have just said to justify you saying "You don't know me. I am nothing like that!" While you brush over all the basic truths that I have described. You and your likes make me sick!" Are you trying to persuade some of these "scum" people to not vote Conservative or just venting your spleen? | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 They dismantling the nhs stealthily..! Look at the changes made so it could be and has been privatised bit by bit. Look at the figures being spent an ask yourself how much of the money is is used on front line staff or is it going into lining the pockets of private sector organisations e. G priate hire nurses cos recruitment numbers are cut by the government! Open your eyes matey If you want to sell something you usually do your best to make it as attractive and successful as possible. You don't make it a financial failure. Your 'they're going to privatives the NHS' argument has little merit with possible Tory defectors unless you can show that a well funded state run system can and does produce better health outcomes than a well funded privately run system. " . Yes absolutely. Unfortunately for you theres tonnes of evidence and studies that show per pound spent on the NHS it actually delivers world class health care. The reality is the UK spend LESS as a percentage of GDP than nearly every other major country, now if your spending the least youd also have to expect the worse service but its ACTUALLY the opposite. If the NHS were a boxer it would be a middle weight fighting in the heavy weight. Now i could understand your argument if we were spending way more than other countries and then having the failings we get but we just arent!. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 What makes you trust them ? Also what if they did how would it make you feel ? Just interested to know people's views that support the Tories how they would feel voting for them and then seeing them do it If it delivered better health outcomes I'd be fine with it. But I'm not voting Conservative this time." . Ahhh thats a very telling statement? Youve finally found a Tory issue that effects YOU and your not happy. When it was effecting everybody else you were fine with it and a Tory die hard?. Let me guess you used to use the lines like.. If you dont like it tough shit. Thats democracy, we won. It will be hard at first but in a few years you'll see it was for the best??.. i love that line myself  | |||
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"Are you trying to persuade some of these "scum" people to not vote Conservative or just venting your spleen? " Unfortunately I know I will never persuade any of these people to not vote Tory. So I aim to make sure that when they wake up to the truth that their political gurus were distracting them, while stealing everything they had from under their snouts making them believe they were actually stripping those even worse off than them, they will remember my words and know that their greed is the architect of their own downfall. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 They dismantling the nhs stealthily..! Look at the changes made so it could be and has been privatised bit by bit. Look at the figures being spent an ask yourself how much of the money is is used on front line staff or is it going into lining the pockets of private sector organisations e. G priate hire nurses cos recruitment numbers are cut by the government! Open your eyes matey If you want to sell something you usually do your best to make it as attractive and successful as possible. You don't make it a financial failure. Your 'they're going to privatives the NHS' argument has little merit with possible Tory defectors unless you can show that a well funded state run system can and does produce better health outcomes than a well funded privately run system. . Yes absolutely. Unfortunately for you theres tonnes of evidence and studies that show per pound spent on the NHS it actually delivers world class health care. The reality is the UK spend LESS as a percentage of GDP than nearly every other major country, now if your spending the least youd also have to expect the worse service but its ACTUALLY the opposite. If the NHS were a boxer it would be a middle weight fighting in the heavy weight. Now i could understand your argument if we were spending way more than other countries and then having the failings we get but we just arent!." Then make that argument and you might get somewhere. However check all your 'facts' carefully. For example the claim that we spend less per head on health in the UK than the rest of the (developed) world, while true can be argued against on two points. Firstly we spend about 9% of GDP on health whereas the European average is about 11%. Would an increase from 9% to 11% really solve all the NHS's problems. Secondly the cost of administrating the either totaly private insurance based systems or hybrid state and private systems is estimated by some as between 1 to 3 % points of that 11% so the actual % spent on real health care in many cases is already lower than what we spend here but we have less good health outcomes for that money. A slogan will only persuade those who want to be persuaded. Analytical argument will persuade some who don't. | |||
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"Are you trying to persuade some of these "scum" people to not vote Conservative or just venting your spleen? Unfortunately I know I will never persuade any of these people to not vote Tory. So I aim to make sure that when they wake up to the truth that their political gurus were distracting them, while stealing everything they had from under their snouts making them believe they were actually stripping those even worse off than them, they will remember my words and know that their greed is the architect of their own downfall." Well good luck with that but if that's the lefts approach to elections it's no wonder they keep loosing. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 What makes you trust them ? Also what if they did how would it make you feel ? Just interested to know people's views that support the Tories how they would feel voting for them and then seeing them do it If it delivered better health outcomes I'd be fine with it. But I'm not voting Conservative this time.. Ahhh thats a very telling statement? Youve finally found a Tory issue that effects YOU and your not happy. When it was effecting everybody else you were fine with it and a Tory die hard?. Let me guess you used to use the lines like.. If you dont like it tough shit. Thats democracy, we won. It will be hard at first but in a few years you'll see it was for the best??.. i love that line myself "I suggested you try green arrowing me and you'll see I've never said any of those things. | |||
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"Only a super rich avaristic multimillionaire or a delusional fool would vote for a Tory party that systematically transfers wealth from the poor to the rich while transferring the burden of tax from the rich to the poor! Step up the working class Tory supporters and vote turkey of Christmas!" Maybe you should try fact checking some of those statements. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 What makes you trust them ? Also what if they did how would it make you feel ? Just interested to know people's views that support the Tories how they would feel voting for them and then seeing them do it If it delivered better health outcomes I'd be fine with it. But I'm not voting Conservative this time.. Ahhh thats a very telling statement? Youve finally found a Tory issue that effects YOU and your not happy. When it was effecting everybody else you were fine with it and a Tory die hard?. Let me guess you used to use the lines like.. If you dont like it tough shit. Thats democracy, we won. It will be hard at first but in a few years you'll see it was for the best??.. i love that line myself
I suggested you try green arrowing me and you'll see I've never said any of those things.". Why dont you at least have some honesty!. Youve found a Tory policy that's going to kick you in the bollocks, i know, its going to hurt!. But then when miners were having their bollocks kicked you said.. Its for the best! Trust me, youll look back in a few years and realise it was for your own good! You can exchange miners for your particular personal "id".. steel workers, car manufacturers, state owned utilities, post office workers, unions strike laws.. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 What makes you trust them ? Also what if they did how would it make you feel ? Just interested to know people's views that support the Tories how they would feel voting for them and then seeing them do it If it delivered better health outcomes I'd be fine with it. But I'm not voting Conservative this time.. Ahhh thats a very telling statement? Youve finally found a Tory issue that effects YOU and your not happy. When it was effecting everybody else you were fine with it and a Tory die hard?. Let me guess you used to use the lines like.. If you dont like it tough shit. Thats democracy, we won. It will be hard at first but in a few years you'll see it was for the best??.. i love that line myself
I suggested you try green arrowing me and you'll see I've never said any of those things."You were a Tory die hard until Brexit though, singing the tories praises on here at the last general election. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 They dismantling the nhs stealthily..! Look at the changes made so it could be and has been privatised bit by bit. Look at the figures being spent an ask yourself how much of the money is is used on front line staff or is it going into lining the pockets of private sector organisations e. G priate hire nurses cos recruitment numbers are cut by the government! Open your eyes matey If you want to sell something you usually do your best to make it as attractive and successful as possible. You don't make it a financial failure. Your 'they're going to privatives the NHS' argument has little merit with possible Tory defectors unless you can show that a well funded state run system can and does produce better health outcomes than a well funded privately run system. . Yes absolutely. Unfortunately for you theres tonnes of evidence and studies that show per pound spent on the NHS it actually delivers world class health care. The reality is the UK spend LESS as a percentage of GDP than nearly every other major country, now if your spending the least youd also have to expect the worse service but its ACTUALLY the opposite. If the NHS were a boxer it would be a middle weight fighting in the heavy weight. Now i could understand your argument if we were spending way more than other countries and then having the failings we get but we just arent!. Then make that argument and you might get somewhere. However check all your 'facts' carefully. For example the claim that we spend less per head on health in the UK than the rest of the (developed) world, while true can be argued against on two points. Firstly we spend about 9% of GDP on health whereas the European average is about 11%. Would an increase from 9% to 11% really solve all the NHS's problems. Secondly the cost of administrating the either totaly private insurance based systems or hybrid state and private systems is estimated by some as between 1 to 3 % points of that 11% so the actual % spent on real health care in many cases is already lower than what we spend here but we have less good health outcomes for that money. A slogan will only persuade those who want to be persuaded. Analytical argument will persuade some who don't." . Just let me ask you one thing there?. You asked a question, would 2% of GDP extra really make a difference to the NHS?..  | |||
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"Well good luck with that but if that's the lefts approach to elections it's no wonder they keep loosing. " Funny thing is across the world eventually those who line their own pockets at the expense of their fellows find themselves being fed their own gold (quite often in molten form through the mouth). Funnily enough when they are dragged out of their palaces by the mob they have impoverished over generations the reports are that they never seem as happy to face the personal consequences of their greed as they were when it was the poor that had to pay the price of avarice! | |||
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"Are you trying to persuade some of these "scum" people to not vote Conservative or just venting your spleen? Unfortunately I know I will never persuade any of these people to not vote Tory. So I aim to make sure that when they wake up to the truth that their political gurus were distracting them, while stealing everything they had from under their snouts making them believe they were actually stripping those even worse off than them, they will remember my words and know that their greed is the architect of their own downfall." You seem to see things in black and white terms instead of looking at the grey areas. I opposed the tories at the last 3 general elections and voted ukip. The tories were a pro EU party who I couldn't support or vote for on that basis. Now that has all changed, The Conservative party are now the party of Brexit. Judging by interviews of the public on the news channels many ukip and Labour leave EU voters will be voting Conservative this time for no other reason than Brexit. This general election is an election on Brexit and Labour are in no man's land on this issue. Labour are going to lose voters to the Tories and the lib dems on the Brexit issue alone (Tory for Leave and Lib dem for Remain). | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 They dismantling the nhs stealthily..! Look at the changes made so it could be and has been privatised bit by bit. Look at the figures being spent an ask yourself how much of the money is is used on front line staff or is it going into lining the pockets of private sector organisations e. G priate hire nurses cos recruitment numbers are cut by the government! Open your eyes matey If you want to sell something you usually do your best to make it as attractive and successful as possible. You don't make it a financial failure. Your 'they're going to privatives the NHS' argument has little merit with possible Tory defectors unless you can show that a well funded state run system can and does produce better health outcomes than a well funded privately run system. . Yes absolutely. Unfortunately for you theres tonnes of evidence and studies that show per pound spent on the NHS it actually delivers world class health care. The reality is the UK spend LESS as a percentage of GDP than nearly every other major country, now if your spending the least youd also have to expect the worse service but its ACTUALLY the opposite. If the NHS were a boxer it would be a middle weight fighting in the heavy weight. Now i could understand your argument if we were spending way more than other countries and then having the failings we get but we just arent!. Then make that argument and you might get somewhere. However check all your 'facts' carefully. For example the claim that we spend less per head on health in the UK than the rest of the (developed) world, while true can be argued against on two points. Firstly we spend about 9% of GDP on health whereas the European average is about 11%. Would an increase from 9% to 11% really solve all the NHS's problems. Secondly the cost of administrating the either totaly private insurance based systems or hybrid state and private systems is estimated by some as between 1 to 3 % points of that 11% so the actual % spent on real health care in many cases is already lower than what we spend here but we have less good health outcomes for that money. A slogan will only persuade those who want to be persuaded. Analytical argument will persuade some who don't.. Just let me ask you one thing there?. You asked a question, would 2% of GDP extra really make a difference to the NHS?.. ". I just had to go away and look that up. UK GDP is 2.8 trillion dollars (sorry can only find dollars). 1% of that is 28 billon dollars? So thats 48 billon dollars about 40 billion pounds a year extra and that would have been every year for the last 30 years?. Now im no money guru but 40 billion a year extra for the last 30 years would surely have made a massive difference to what the NHS would look like today??. And thats remember what the EU average is! Not spending more just the same. Oh by the way i looked up the nhs budget per year as well its currently 130 billon, so an extra 40 billion would be something like a 40% budget increase?. | |||
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Labour are now are party of BREXIT too just a different flavour of something noone knows what shape it will be in 2 years time. Hence the snap election to save the Tory party from infighting in 2019. The lib dems and the SNP are against BREXIT explicitly. UKIP are not relevant to that debate hence the switch of UKIP voters back to the Tories. | |||
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"You seem to see things in black and white terms instead of looking at the grey areas. I opposed the tories at the last 3 general elections and voted ukip. The tories were a pro EU party who I couldn't support or vote for on that basis. Now that has all changed, The Conservative party are now the party of Brexit. Judging by interviews of the public on the news channels many ukip and Labour leave EU voters will be voting Conservative this time for no other reason than Brexit. This general election is an election on Brexit and Labour are in no man's land on this issue. Labour are going to lose voters to the Tories and the lib dems on the Brexit issue alone (Tory for Leave and Lib dem for Remain). " Lets see... When I saw the referendum result I said that the tories would trigger article 50 and then call a general election. I was told I was an idiot, seems that is what they have done. I also said that they would throw the GE so that they could blame Labour for the piss poor deal and economic crash that will come brexit (we will have to wait to see if I am right about that)... I also said that brexit would cause massive loss of jobs and inflation... The jobs loss is a work in progress but inflation is something we are all feeling now. Of course most will tell me I am talking rubbish and that prices have hardly risen at all. the fact that 12 months ago your £5 Asda rump stake weighed 350 grams and now weighs 275 grams is not inflation because its still the same price at £5 honest does not registrar with the vast majority of sheeple. I could go on but as you say I see things in black and white, and inflation isn't inflation if the portion sizes are reduced because the price is still the same! Now which of us is conning themselves because they don't want to see what is in front of their eyes? Eventually everyone is forced to see reality and at that point things get violent and those who are seen to be the cause of the masses misery are lucky if the mob rip them apart quickly. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 What makes you trust them ? Also what if they did how would it make you feel ? Just interested to know people's views that support the Tories how they would feel voting for them and then seeing them do it If it delivered better health outcomes I'd be fine with it. But I'm not voting Conservative this time.. Ahhh thats a very telling statement? Youve finally found a Tory issue that effects YOU and your not happy. When it was effecting everybody else you were fine with it and a Tory die hard?. Let me guess you used to use the lines like.. If you dont like it tough shit. Thats democracy, we won. It will be hard at first but in a few years you'll see it was for the best??.. i love that line myself
I suggested you try green arrowing me and you'll see I've never said any of those things.
You were a Tory die hard until Brexit though, singing the tories praises on here at the last general election. "I supported the Conservatives in 2010 and 2015 and, you're correct, if it wasn't for BREXIT, given the choice of May or Corbyn, I'd probably have backed them again this time. However I'm not a Tory die hard and haven't been since Mad Mike Howard was leader. My politics is, and always has been, firmly right of centre Liberal. | |||
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"You seem to see things in black and white terms instead of looking at the grey areas. I opposed the tories at the last 3 general elections and voted ukip. The tories were a pro EU party who I couldn't support or vote for on that basis. Now that has all changed, The Conservative party are now the party of Brexit. Judging by interviews of the public on the news channels many ukip and Labour leave EU voters will be voting Conservative this time for no other reason than Brexit. This general election is an election on Brexit and Labour are in no man's land on this issue. Labour are going to lose voters to the Tories and the lib dems on the Brexit issue alone (Tory for Leave and Lib dem for Remain). Lets see... When I saw the referendum result I said that the tories would trigger article 50 and then call a general election. I was told I was an idiot, seems that is what they have done. I also said that they would throw the GE so that they could blame Labour for the piss poor deal and economic crash that will come brexit (we will have to wait to see if I am right about that)... I also said that brexit would cause massive loss of jobs and inflation... The jobs loss is a work in progress but inflation is something we are all feeling now. Of course most will tell me I am talking rubbish and that prices have hardly risen at all. the fact that 12 months ago your £5 Asda rump stake weighed 350 grams and now weighs 275 grams is not inflation because its still the same price at £5 honest does not registrar with the vast majority of sheeple. I could go on but as you say I see things in black and white, and inflation isn't inflation if the portion sizes are reduced because the price is still the same! Now which of us is conning themselves because they don't want to see what is in front of their eyes? Eventually everyone is forced to see reality and at that point things get violent and those who are seen to be the cause of the masses misery are lucky if the mob rip them apart quickly." Oh wise one, have you got this week's lottery numbers? | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 They dismantling the nhs stealthily..! Look at the changes made so it could be and has been privatised bit by bit. Look at the figures being spent an ask yourself how much of the money is is used on front line staff or is it going into lining the pockets of private sector organisations e. G priate hire nurses cos recruitment numbers are cut by the government! Open your eyes matey If you want to sell something you usually do your best to make it as attractive and successful as possible. You don't make it a financial failure. Your 'they're going to privatives the NHS' argument has little merit with possible Tory defectors unless you can show that a well funded state run system can and does produce better health outcomes than a well funded privately run system. . Yes absolutely. Unfortunately for you theres tonnes of evidence and studies that show per pound spent on the NHS it actually delivers world class health care. The reality is the UK spend LESS as a percentage of GDP than nearly every other major country, now if your spending the least youd also have to expect the worse service but its ACTUALLY the opposite. If the NHS were a boxer it would be a middle weight fighting in the heavy weight. Now i could understand your argument if we were spending way more than other countries and then having the failings we get but we just arent!. Then make that argument and you might get somewhere. However check all your 'facts' carefully. For example the claim that we spend less per head on health in the UK than the rest of the (developed) world, while true can be argued against on two points. Firstly we spend about 9% of GDP on health whereas the European average is about 11%. Would an increase from 9% to 11% really solve all the NHS's problems. Secondly the cost of administrating the either totaly private insurance based systems or hybrid state and private systems is estimated by some as between 1 to 3 % points of that 11% so the actual % spent on real health care in many cases is already lower than what we spend here but we have less good health outcomes for that money. A slogan will only persuade those who want to be persuaded. Analytical argument will persuade some who don't.. Just let me ask you one thing there?. You asked a question, would 2% of GDP extra really make a difference to the NHS?.. .
I just had to go away and look that up.
UK GDP is 2.8 trillion dollars (sorry can only find dollars).
1% of that is 28 billon dollars?
So thats 48 billon dollars about 40 billion pounds a year extra and that would have been every year for the last 30 years?.
Now im no money guru but 40 billion a year extra for the last 30 years would surely have made a massive difference to what the NHS would look like today??.
And thats remember what the EU average is! Not spending more just the same.
Oh by the way i looked up the nhs budget per year as well its currently 130 billon, so an extra 40 billion would be something like a 40% budget increase?.
"You see. You can make the argument without telling people that they are evil scum. So much more convincing. Just one minor point. 2 % points of roughly 10% is 20% of that figure not 40% so recheck your figures, there's something wrong somewhere. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 They dismantling the nhs stealthily..! Look at the changes made so it could be and has been privatised bit by bit. Look at the figures being spent an ask yourself how much of the money is is used on front line staff or is it going into lining the pockets of private sector organisations e. G priate hire nurses cos recruitment numbers are cut by the government! Open your eyes matey If you want to sell something you usually do your best to make it as attractive and successful as possible. You don't make it a financial failure. Your 'they're going to privatives the NHS' argument has little merit with possible Tory defectors unless you can show that a well funded state run system can and does produce better health outcomes than a well funded privately run system. . Yes absolutely. Unfortunately for you theres tonnes of evidence and studies that show per pound spent on the NHS it actually delivers world class health care. The reality is the UK spend LESS as a percentage of GDP than nearly every other major country, now if your spending the least youd also have to expect the worse service but its ACTUALLY the opposite. If the NHS were a boxer it would be a middle weight fighting in the heavy weight. Now i could understand your argument if we were spending way more than other countries and then having the failings we get but we just arent!. Then make that argument and you might get somewhere. However check all your 'facts' carefully. For example the claim that we spend less per head on health in the UK than the rest of the (developed) world, while true can be argued against on two points. Firstly we spend about 9% of GDP on health whereas the European average is about 11%. Would an increase from 9% to 11% really solve all the NHS's problems. Secondly the cost of administrating the either totaly private insurance based systems or hybrid state and private systems is estimated by some as between 1 to 3 % points of that 11% so the actual % spent on real health care in many cases is already lower than what we spend here but we have less good health outcomes for that money. A slogan will only persuade those who want to be persuaded. Analytical argument will persuade some who don't.. Just let me ask you one thing there?. You asked a question, would 2% of GDP extra really make a difference to the NHS?.. .
I just had to go away and look that up.
UK GDP is 2.8 trillion dollars (sorry can only find dollars).
1% of that is 28 billon dollars?
So thats 48 billon dollars about 40 billion pounds a year extra and that would have been every year for the last 30 years?.
Now im no money guru but 40 billion a year extra for the last 30 years would surely have made a massive difference to what the NHS would look like today??.
And thats remember what the EU average is! Not spending more just the same.
Oh by the way i looked up the nhs budget per year as well its currently 130 billon, so an extra 40 billion would be something like a 40% budget increase?.
You see. You can make the argument without telling people that they are evil scum. So much more convincing.
Just one minor point. 2 % points of roughly 10% is 20% of that figure not 40% so recheck your figures, there's something wrong somewhere."Pedant | |||
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"Misrepresentation of the highest order Labour are now are party of BREXIT too just a different flavour of something noone knows what shape it will be in 2 years time. Hence the snap election to save the Tory party from infighting in 2019. The lib dems and the SNP are against BREXIT explicitly. UKIP are not relevant to that debate hence the switch of UKIP voters back to the Tories."Labour are a party of BREXIT to, really? Well that's another good reason not to vote for useless Jeremy then. | |||
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 They dismantling the nhs stealthily..! Look at the changes made so it could be and has been privatised bit by bit. Look at the figures being spent an ask yourself how much of the money is is used on front line staff or is it going into lining the pockets of private sector organisations e. G priate hire nurses cos recruitment numbers are cut by the government! Open your eyes matey If you want to sell something you usually do your best to make it as attractive and successful as possible. You don't make it a financial failure. Your 'they're going to privatives the NHS' argument has little merit with possible Tory defectors unless you can show that a well funded state run system can and does produce better health outcomes than a well funded privately run system. . Yes absolutely. Unfortunately for you theres tonnes of evidence and studies that show per pound spent on the NHS it actually delivers world class health care. The reality is the UK spend LESS as a percentage of GDP than nearly every other major country, now if your spending the least youd also have to expect the worse service but its ACTUALLY the opposite. If the NHS were a boxer it would be a middle weight fighting in the heavy weight. Now i could understand your argument if we were spending way more than other countries and then having the failings we get but we just arent!. Then make that argument and you might get somewhere. However check all your 'facts' carefully. For example the claim that we spend less per head on health in the UK than the rest of the (developed) world, while true can be argued against on two points. Firstly we spend about 9% of GDP on health whereas the European average is about 11%. Would an increase from 9% to 11% really solve all the NHS's problems. Secondly the cost of administrating the either totaly private insurance based systems or hybrid state and private systems is estimated by some as between 1 to 3 % points of that 11% so the actual % spent on real health care in many cases is already lower than what we spend here but we have less good health outcomes for that money. A slogan will only persuade those who want to be persuaded. Analytical argument will persuade some who don't.. Just let me ask you one thing there?. You asked a question, would 2% of GDP extra really make a difference to the NHS?.. .
I just had to go away and look that up.
UK GDP is 2.8 trillion dollars (sorry can only find dollars).
1% of that is 28 billon dollars?
So thats 48 billon dollars about 40 billion pounds a year extra and that would have been every year for the last 30 years?.
Now im no money guru but 40 billion a year extra for the last 30 years would surely have made a massive difference to what the NHS would look like today??.
And thats remember what the EU average is! Not spending more just the same.
Oh by the way i looked up the nhs budget per year as well its currently 130 billon, so an extra 40 billion would be something like a 40% budget increase?.
You see. You can make the argument without telling people that they are evil scum. So much more convincing.
Just one minor point. 2 % points of roughly 10% is 20% of that figure not 40% so recheck your figures, there's something wrong somewhere.
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? No, why? I've been hearing that the Tories are about to privatise the NHS since about 1972 They dismantling the nhs stealthily..! Look at the changes made so it could be and has been privatised bit by bit. Look at the figures being spent an ask yourself how much of the money is is used on front line staff or is it going into lining the pockets of private sector organisations e. G priate hire nurses cos recruitment numbers are cut by the government! Open your eyes matey If you want to sell something you usually do your best to make it as attractive and successful as possible. You don't make it a financial failure. Your 'they're going to privatives the NHS' argument has little merit with possible Tory defectors unless you can show that a well funded state run system can and does produce better health outcomes than a well funded privately run system. . Yes absolutely. Unfortunately for you theres tonnes of evidence and studies that show per pound spent on the NHS it actually delivers world class health care. The reality is the UK spend LESS as a percentage of GDP than nearly every other major country, now if your spending the least youd also have to expect the worse service but its ACTUALLY the opposite. If the NHS were a boxer it would be a middle weight fighting in the heavy weight. Now i could understand your argument if we were spending way more than other countries and then having the failings we get but we just arent!. Then make that argument and you might get somewhere. However check all your 'facts' carefully. For example the claim that we spend less per head on health in the UK than the rest of the (developed) world, while true can be argued against on two points. Firstly we spend about 9% of GDP on health whereas the European average is about 11%. Would an increase from 9% to 11% really solve all the NHS's problems. Secondly the cost of administrating the either totaly private insurance based systems or hybrid state and private systems is estimated by some as between 1 to 3 % points of that 11% so the actual % spent on real health care in many cases is already lower than what we spend here but we have less good health outcomes for that money. A slogan will only persuade those who want to be persuaded. Analytical argument will persuade some who don't.. Just let me ask you one thing there?. You asked a question, would 2% of GDP extra really make a difference to the NHS?.. .
I just had to go away and look that up.
UK GDP is 2.8 trillion dollars (sorry can only find dollars).
1% of that is 28 billon dollars?
So thats 48 billon dollars about 40 billion pounds a year extra and that would have been every year for the last 30 years?.
Now im no money guru but 40 billion a year extra for the last 30 years would surely have made a massive difference to what the NHS would look like today??.
And thats remember what the EU average is! Not spending more just the same.
Oh by the way i looked up the nhs budget per year as well its currently 130 billon, so an extra 40 billion would be something like a 40% budget increase?.
You see. You can make the argument without telling people that they are evil scum. So much more convincing.
Just one minor point. 2 % points of roughly 10% is 20% of that figure not 40% so recheck your figures, there's something wrong somewhere.
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"Question for anyone who will vote Tory will you be happy if the Tories privatise the NHS ? I should imagine that most Tories are far more concerned about whether the NHS delivers good health care rather than whether it's publicly owned or not. Maybe if those who claim to support the NHS concentrated in health delivery rather than whether it's state run or not they might just get their message across." Not necessarily so. I worked in tbe nhs when thatcher introduced extra managers that did nothing to enhance the nhs but sucked out funds to lighn their pockets. This was the tories phase 1 plan to make the nhs inefficient, so it would look too expensive to run. The red tories under blair and subsequent blue tories reorganised areas so it could be carved up and privitised.. Richard brandson now runs some of it to some extent. The tories engineered the nhs so it would fail and are now in stage 2, the defunding stage of their plan to get the gullable public to accept it should be privatised and why? Tory ideology!! All other public assets are sold off so they and their rich mates can cash in on assets built by public money, like all other state owned assets. The nhs was a not for profit organisation! Something that the tories fucking hate! They aren't stuoid though. Thats why tbey are sly bastards and won't admit to killing the nhs but will chip away and plot like bastards in dark corners | |||
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"The NHS has been dismantled for years. Do some research in to what Tony Blair did in power, and the amount him and Cherie have invested in private health care companies. I just want a good, efficient and effective health care system. How its badged or run I dont care, just so long as we have the same free access we have now." people seem to quickly forget how much of lifes current woes were created by 'saint' Tony and his equally inept government. | |||
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"You seem to see things in black and white terms instead of looking at the grey areas. I opposed the tories at the last 3 general elections and voted ukip. The tories were a pro EU party who I couldn't support or vote for on that basis. Now that has all changed, The Conservative party are now the party of Brexit. Judging by interviews of the public on the news channels many ukip and Labour leave EU voters will be voting Conservative this time for no other reason than Brexit. This general election is an election on Brexit and Labour are in no man's land on this issue. Labour are going to lose voters to the Tories and the lib dems on the Brexit issue alone (Tory for Leave and Lib dem for Remain). Lets see... When I saw the referendum result I said that the tories would trigger article 50 and then call a general election. I was told I was an idiot, seems that is what they have done. I also said that they would throw the GE so that they could blame Labour for the piss poor deal and economic crash that will come brexit (we will have to wait to see if I am right about that)... I also said that brexit would cause massive loss of jobs and inflation... The jobs loss is a work in progress but inflation is something we are all feeling now. Of course most will tell me I am talking rubbish and that prices have hardly risen at all. the fact that 12 months ago your £5 Asda rump stake weighed 350 grams and now weighs 275 grams is not inflation because its still the same price at £5 honest does not registrar with the vast majority of sheeple. I could go on but as you say I see things in black and white, and inflation isn't inflation if the portion sizes are reduced because the price is still the same! Now which of us is conning themselves because they don't want to see what is in front of their eyes? Eventually everyone is forced to see reality and at that point things get violent and those who are seen to be the cause of the masses misery are lucky if the mob rip them apart quickly." It's funny how you gloss over your inaccuracies. You said on here a few months ago that Theresa May and the government would never trigger article 50 on time before March 31st deadline. You were 100% wrong on that and article 50 was triggered before March 31st despite all the attempts at sabotage from Gina Miller and the house of Lords, so I'll take your predictions with a huge pinch of salt. On jobs and inflation yes you are talking nonsense. Inflation is currently at the bank of England's target so there is no problem there and the Chancellor Philip Hammond said just yesterday jobs are still being created at record levels in the UK. The IMF just revised the UK economy growth figure upto 2% this year. You also keep going on about people being ripped apart by the mob masses, only problem is the Remain supporters in this country are the minority. Brexit won the referendum by over a million more votes than Remain, Leave is the majority mass in this country. | |||
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