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Only the death of Erdogan can save Turkey from becoming a fascist islamic dictatorship

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By *leasure dom OP   Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Sunday was a bleak day for Ataturk's modern Turkey, for liberals in that country and particularly disastrous for the Kurds.

Nothing good can come of the (possibly rigged) result of the referendum on Erdogan's power grab.

It is most unfortunate that the coup leaders failed to take out the presidential dictator - a monumental error. I wonder why that was? Turkey's "Reichstag fire" moment, perhaps.

Whatever the details of the preamble, Easter Sunday's referendum result in Turkey may well rank alongside the return of satanic islamofascist Khomeni in Iran as a terrible game changer in the most unstable and illiberal region of the world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Turkey's new life-long Sultan will waste no time in decapitating his opponents and ensuring all opposition in word or print is extinguished. And more importantly NATO now has its very own Kim Jong Un...but with nuclear missiles on his territory that actually work...and who seeks to further destabilise and islamicize Europe.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"And more importantly NATO now has its very own Kim Jong Un...but with nuclear missiles on his territory that actually work...and who seeks to further destabilise and islamicize Europe."

I do not think that is the case any more...

I am sure that I read that the US had transferred its nuclear arsenal out of Turkey shortly after it became apparent the direction that Erdogan was heading in after the 2015 attempted coup. In fact I remember at the time the first US plan was to transfer the weapons to Germany, but that was blocked by the German government and I believe the weapons were instead transferred to the UK (Lakenheath).

Personally I do not think the removal of Erdogan will stop Turkey from becoming an Islamic state, the Islamification of the Muslim world seems unstoppable without the decapitation of it's salafist head (Saudi Arabia) and rather than dealing with the geopolitical problem they the route of we enable them to continue to spread their toxic and perverted brand of Islam.

Guess the profits of the petrochemical industries come before the survival of the industrialised world.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Turkey is a country of 80 million muslims. Erdogan is building the biggest mosque in the world in Istanbul, and their luxury tourist industry is reaching out to rich muslims from other islamic countries.

They barely tolerate refugees and use them as slave labour.

There is now talk of Erdogan bringing back the death penalty. How this will sit with the European Council, which Turkey is a member of, remains to be seen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just imagine all of those rich Muslims faces when he clamps down and kills all of thier fun and frolics.

Total alcohol ban ect he will make his own Islamic state where everyone is afraid to sneeze in case they get imformed on and put in prison or worse.

No freedom of speech

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Turkey is a country of 80 million muslims. Erdogan is building the biggest mosque in the world in Istanbul, and their luxury tourist industry is reaching out to rich muslims from other islamic countries.

They barely tolerate refugees and use them as slave labour.

There is now talk of Erdogan bringing back the death penalty. How this will sit with the European Council, which Turkey is a member of, remains to be seen."

If Turkey brings back the feath penalty then they can forget any hopes of joining the EU

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read they eat children aswell.Oh the horror...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read they eat children aswell.Oh the horror... "

We know Erdogan's torturer's are nearly as good as Assad's but I didn't know they had started eating children as well. Still, nothing surprises me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read they eat children aswell.Oh the horror... "

So you don't think that this marks the end of democracy in Turky then?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"So you don't think that this marks the end of democracy in Turky then?"

Yep a definite case of turkies voting for christmas...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So you don't think that this marks the end of democracy in Turky then?

Yep a definite case of turkies voting for christmas..."
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Classic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So you don't think that this marks the end of democracy in Turky then?

Yep a definite case of turkies voting for christmas..."

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

they gave him "putin like" powers.... now the question is will he use them like putin?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guess that moves a Turkey a bit further down the "queue" for joining the EU...... maybe an "independent" Scotland could move up a bit?

Mind you if Merkel gets back in I'm sure she would "overlook" any such minor problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the turkish führer will become his own downfall. He really doesnt seem to get that west and south western turkey rely heavily on the seasonal tourism trade and his policies will effect those areas prosperity.

In turn he'll just insight civil disobediance in those areas eventually.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Guess that moves a Turkey a bit further down the "queue" for joining the EU...... maybe an "independent" Scotland could move up a bit?

Mind you if Merkel gets back in I'm sure she would "overlook" any such minor problems."

Would the other 26 though ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read they eat children aswell.Oh the horror...

So you don't think that this marks the end of democracy in Turky then?"
No.There was a coup on the 60s and the 70s and the 80s a silent coup in the 90s and a failed coup recently. Turkey has never been a democracy in the European sense.The miltary has always removed people they dont like in this "Democracy ".The people voted for a hard man and less democracy same as putin.Flag waving nationalism is rampant across the EU the USA and Russia and now in Turkey.Standard for the zeitgeist.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"No.There was a coup on the 60s and the 70s and the 80s a silent coup in the 90s and a failed coup recently. Turkey has never been a democracy in the European sense.The miltary has always removed people they dont like in this "Democracy "."

That is not really accurate...

The military have removed a number of governments who attempted to Islamify Turkey. Erdogan has succeeded in neutralising the courts and military and getting the Turkish people to give him the powers to do the very things the military were protecting the population from.

God help them and don't bother booking holidays in Turkey any more, it will quickly become a very unwelcoming and dangerous place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No.There was a coup on the 60s and the 70s and the 80s a silent coup in the 90s and a failed coup recently. Turkey has never been a democracy in the European sense.The miltary has always removed people they dont like in this "Democracy ".

That is not really accurate...

The military have removed a number of governments who attempted to Islamify Turkey. Erdogan has succeeded in neutralising the courts and military and getting the Turkish people to give him the powers to do the very things the military were protecting the population from.

God help them and don't bother booking holidays in Turkey any more, it will quickly become a very unwelcoming and dangerous place."
I thought it already was ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No.There was a coup on the 60s and the 70s and the 80s a silent coup in the 90s and a failed coup recently. Turkey has never been a democracy in the European sense.The miltary has always removed people they dont like in this "Democracy ".

That is not really accurate...

The military have removed a number of governments who attempted to Islamify Turkey. Erdogan has succeeded in neutralising the courts and military and getting the Turkish people to give him the powers to do the very things the military were protecting the population from.

God help them and don't bother booking holidays in Turkey any more, it will quickly become a very unwelcoming and dangerous place."
Nonsense the turkish people are very welcoming ive visited half a dozen times over the years lovely people.They wont turn into crazy jihadist overnight.Their tourism industry has suffered over the last 2 years and will suffer more.Dead syrian kids washing up on the resort beaches didnt help.The shooting down of the Russian fighter jet caused a drop in Russian tourist.Brits like a cheap holiday deal.Its about to get alot cheaper

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe they could do themselves s favour and start treating the Kurds Better !

Also the unifying Cyprus would be a good idea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe they could do themselves s favour and start treating the Kurds Better !

Also the unifying Cyprus would be a good idea "
I am totally in favour of a kurdish state.Hopefully they'll get a chunk of Iraq on the other side of the mountain range that divides Turkey and Iraq. I doubt Turkey will give an inch.Kurdistan should have been on the map years ago.You can thank Winston for it being included inside iraq.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"they gave him "putin like" powers.... now the question is will he use them like putin?"

What Rubbish!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No.There was a coup on the 60s and the 70s and the 80s a silent coup in the 90s and a failed coup recently. Turkey has never been a democracy in the European sense.The miltary has always removed people they dont like in this "Democracy ".

That is not really accurate...

The military have removed a number of governments who attempted to Islamify Turkey. Erdogan has succeeded in neutralising the courts and military and getting the Turkish people to give him the powers to do the very things the military were protecting the population from.

God help them and don't bother booking holidays in Turkey any more, it will quickly become a very unwelcoming and dangerous place. I thought it already was ?"

Not really. You should travel more or atleast read something to what you normally readm

Most of 'liberal turkey' basically the western and southern parts are fairly liberal and welcoming to non-turkish peoples. These are areas which have a huge seasonal income increase due to tourism. Ghese are the places which do not like the direction in which turkey is currently headed.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Stop criticising,let him run the country how he wants as he is on our side and we need that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It wasn't a genuine coup, it was orchestrated by erodgen to give him a pretext to start purging dissenters from the ranks without public opposition.

I think he's been jailed a few times in the past for trying to bring Turkey's? secular institutions into disrepute with antagonistically provocative regressive Islamism, invoked to appeal to certain base elements within it's Society.

He is very popular with rural , conservative and nationalistic Turks who've traditionally been largely marginalised and viewed with a mixture of contempt and indifference by the successive post revolutionary Turkish establishment.

He is undoubtedly a disaster for Turkey though. Turkey has always been unique - a country built upon the divide straddled between east and west, the cross pollination of both influences.

He seems to be trying to impose a type of draconian Islam that is completely foreign to Turkey.

Hopefully Turkey survives erodgens authoriterian reign of terror in tact. It would be such a shame to see it descend into the figurative gutter of totalitarian misanthropic theocracy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"they gave him "putin like" powers.... now the question is will he use them like putin?"

Well here's a clue. Here is the Jihadi's/ISIS best NATO (!?) ally declaring the supremacy of islam and victory over the Crusaders at Istanbul airport:

"We fought against all enemies, we were attacked by those who have the worldview of the crusaders. But as a nation we remained strong. We can only bow to our shrines and not to anyone else...".

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Not really. You should travel more or atleast read something to what you normally readm

Most of 'liberal turkey' basically the western and southern parts are fairly liberal and welcoming to non-turkish peoples. These are areas which have a huge seasonal income increase due to tourism. Ghese are the places which do not like the direction in which turkey is currently headed.

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I think you need to pull your head out of your neo-liberal politically correct arse, read what I wrote and apply the lessons of the last 20/30/40 years of political change in the Arab dominated Islamic world.

10 years ago Morocco was a friendly place and the population on the coast and in Marrakesh were fairly liberal and welcoming to non-Moroccan peoples. Not so much now...

Then there is Tunisia, it only took 2 years from the Islamic takeover of the country to the total destruction of its tourist industry. I hear you can get lots of really cheep holidays to Sousse, maybe you would like go spend a few weeks with those liberal and welcoming people? Maybe bump into a gunman taking a stroll on the beach?

Me, I wont be visiting any Islamic country again in my life and having a rather well developed sense of my own mortality I will also be avoiding the anywhere in the Aegean (which is a shame as I really like the islands of Kos, Ios and Santorini).

But hey, what do I know, I am sure your views much more informed than mine and that you will be laughing all the way to your independent travel agent to book your family multi country fly drive Southern and Eastern Mediterranean coastal holiday starting in Tangier Morocco and ending in Istanbul (of course I understand you will avoid Israel). Because all the people you will meet will be very welcoming, especially those in Libya and Syria, or will you choose to avoid those countries too? In fact I would put money on you deciding to avoid every country bar Turkey, but you would not have 10 years ago!

As I said I expect Turkey is about to become a very unfriendly place to any non Muslim.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

If you can find it on I player, see if you can watch the excellent Simon Reeve programme on Turkey, that was broadcast a few Sundays ago on BBC2.

You will quickly see the direction that Turkey is going.

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