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"Ok so im being a bit dramatic,but trump has only been in power just over 100 days and already fired missiles on syria,what next? Relations with russia and north korea at an all time low,or am i paranoid" Yes you are paranoid. Our reptilian, paedophile, satanist elite leaders won't want a war until there's a robot slave race that can maintain the current level of economic output. | |||
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"It will be another vietnam war, it is probably just a matter of time before they drop the a bomb." Trump's invaded Vietnam? Hope he stays away from Bali, Im on holiday there in August  | |||
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"Ok so im being a bit dramatic,but trump has only been in power just over 100 days and already fired missiles on syria,what next? Relations with russia and north korea at an all time low,or am i paranoid Yes you are paranoid. Our reptilian, paedophile, satanist elite leaders won't want a war until there's a robot slave race that can maintain the current level of economic output. Fuck me i was just thinking that!! "The real war will come when the robot slave race hits singularity. I think they will turn on the reptilian, paedophile, satanist elite leaders. The real question is- who will we (the ordinary people) side with? Is the enemy of my enemy, my friend or my enemy? | |||
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"Well it's possible I guess , when you think about it . So it's best not to think about it , and as bladey said , eat , drink and be merry because there's fuck all we can do about it " Fancy a fuck before we all die? | |||
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"Ok so im being a bit dramatic,but trump has only been in power just over 100 days and already fired missiles on syria,what next? Relations with russia and north korea at an all time low,or am i paranoid Yes you are paranoid. Our reptilian, paedophile, satanist elite leaders won't want a war until there's a robot slave race that can maintain the current level of economic output. Fuck me i was just thinking that!!
The real war will come when the robot slave race hits singularity. I think they will turn on the reptilian, paedophile, satanist elite leaders. The real question is- who will we (the ordinary people) side with? Is the enemy of my enemy, my friend or my enemy?"Good question,let me just think about that *walks away shrugging shoulders* | |||
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"Well it's possible I guess , when you think about it . So it's best not to think about it , and as bladey said , eat , drink and be merry because there's fuck all we can do about it Fancy a fuck before we all die? "Well of course , such a shame you are so far away | |||
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"Ok so im being a bit dramatic,but trump has only been in power just over 100 days and already fired missiles on syria,what next? Relations with russia and north korea at an all time low,or am i paranoid Yes you are paranoid. Our reptilian, paedophile, satanist elite leaders won't want a war until there's a robot slave race that can maintain the current level of economic output. " We'll never have a War War. We're always at War.. No, we'll be wiped off the face of the Earth by starvation, ethnic cleansing... Nice and slow. But before that they'll turn us all against each other....fill the world with hate. | |||
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"Ok so im being a bit dramatic,but trump has only been in power just over 100 days and already fired missiles on syria,what next? Relations with russia and north korea at an all time low,or am i paranoid Yes you are paranoid. Our reptilian, paedophile, satanist elite leaders won't want a war until there's a robot slave race that can maintain the current level of economic output. We'll never have a War War. We're always at War.. No, we'll be wiped off the face of the Earth by starvation, ethnic cleansing... Nice and slow. But before that they'll turn us all against each other....fill the world with hate. " Its full of hate now or have you watched the news | |||
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"Ok so im being a bit dramatic,but trump has only been in power just over 100 days and already fired missiles on syria,what next? Relations with russia and north korea at an all time low,or am i paranoid Yes you are paranoid. Our reptilian, paedophile, satanist elite leaders won't want a war until there's a robot slave race that can maintain the current level of economic output. We'll never have a War War. We're always at War.. No, we'll be wiped off the face of the Earth by starvation, ethnic cleansing... Nice and slow. But before that they'll turn us all against each other....fill the world with hate. Its full of hate now or have you watched the news" No, I don't watch the news. I don't need the news ( BBC or SKY ) to tell me the devastation that's going on around us. | |||
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"Ok so im being a bit dramatic,but trump has only been in power just over 100 days and already fired missiles on syria,what next? Relations with russia and north korea at an all time low,or am i paranoid Yes you are paranoid. Our reptilian, paedophile, satanist elite leaders won't want a war until there's a robot slave race that can maintain the current level of economic output. We'll never have a War War. We're always at War.. No, we'll be wiped off the face of the Earth by starvation, ethnic cleansing... Nice and slow. But before that they'll turn us all against each other....fill the world with hate. Its full of hate now or have you watched the news No, I don't watch the news. I don't need the news ( BBC or SKY ) to tell me the devastation that's going on around us. " How do you find out whats going on on the planet then? | |||
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"Ok so im being a bit dramatic,but trump has only been in power just over 100 days and already fired missiles on syria,what next? Relations with russia and north korea at an all time low,or am i paranoid Yes you are paranoid. Our reptilian, paedophile, satanist elite leaders won't want a war until there's a robot slave race that can maintain the current level of economic output. Fuck me i was just thinking that!!
The real war will come when the robot slave race hits singularity. I think they will turn on the reptilian, paedophile, satanist elite leaders. The real question is- who will we (the ordinary people) side with? Is the enemy of my enemy, my friend or my enemy?
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*walks away shrugging shoulders*"Well you have to consider that the robots would probably want to rule us if they won so would you rather the status quo of being ruled by an alien reptile race in the shadows or an artificial intelligence in public? | |||
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"Ok so im being a bit dramatic,but trump has only been in power just over 100 days and already fired missiles on syria,what next? Relations with russia and north korea at an all time low,or am i paranoid Yes you are paranoid. Our reptilian, paedophile, satanist elite leaders won't want a war until there's a robot slave race that can maintain the current level of economic output. We'll never have a War War. We're always at War.. No, we'll be wiped off the face of the Earth by starvation, ethnic cleansing... Nice and slow. But before that they'll turn us all against each other....fill the world with hate. Its full of hate now or have you watched the news No, I don't watch the news. I don't need the news ( BBC or SKY ) to tell me the devastation that's going on around us. How do you find out whats going on on the planet then?" John. Please.. | |||
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"It will be another vietnam war, it is probably just a matter of time before they drop the a bomb. Trump's invaded Vietnam? Hope he stays away from Bali, Im on holiday there in August "No, he didnt, but he might have the same kind of idea. | |||
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"The Chinese will side with Russia. Take out America and we'll all become Communists. " China have never given a crap about the middle east. Xi Jinping considers the middle east to be an american sphere of influence. China is more interested in Africa other than Asian events. | |||
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"The Chinese will side with Russia. Take out America and we'll all become Communists. China have never given a crap about the middle east. Xi Jinping considers the middle east to be an american sphere of influence. China is more interested in Africa other than Asian events. " They have to eliminate America so they don't get involved in their African takeover. What's in Africa that China wants? | |||
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"The Chinese will side with Russia. Take out America and we'll all become Communists. China have never given a crap about the middle east. Xi Jinping considers the middle east to be an american sphere of influence. China is more interested in Africa other than Asian events. They have to eliminate America so they don't get involved in their African takeover. What's in Africa that China wants? " Ok so a few misconceptions here. China is a primary defensive country, its never been interested in taking over other countries. It did spend two thirds of the last 150 years getting (literally) fucked by other countries so it's motivates are defence, not offence. They don't care enough about america to want to eliminate them nor do they want to take over africa. It is a part industrialised country so what it wants is to ensure the supply of raw materials from africa so it can continue to industrialise. It does this primarily through bilateral trade agreements. | |||
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"Ok so im being a bit dramatic,but trump has only been in power just over 100 days and already fired missiles on syria,what next? Relations with russia and north korea at an all time low,or am i paranoid" Isis in Afghanistan | |||
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"I just want 'em to tell me when it's kicking off so we can get our 'Emergency, imminent warfare shagfest plan' into effect. "Do we have to wait? How about some practice in before the event. ..  | |||
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"I called my mate an asshole on Facebook the other night, he was joking about WWIII What he hasn't grasped is that WWIII is not outside the realms of a REAL possibility." Why not bet on it then if you think its more likely than the rest of the general population? | |||
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"1 things for sure what ever these crazy fuckers do next there's jack shit we can do to stop them. Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we will be vaporised " | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years." Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeks | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA" Where's that then? | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then?" Afghanistan | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan" To be pedantic, it was a bomb not a missile. A fuck off bomb as it happens. If the talk is true that it was a Daesh cave compound, then fair play. Give them some more. Problem is that I don't too much trust Western intelligence reports. | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan" Check your facts. It was actually a bomb dropped from a plane. 23000lb "earthquake" bomb, designed to cause blast damage underground on a large scale. It was directed at an IS cave network. Our Lancasters were chucking 22000lb bombs "Grand Slam" down on strategic targets during the latter part of WW2. Ours didn't have sophisticated guidance systems on them though. | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan Check your facts. It was actually a bomb dropped from a plane. 23000lb "earthquake" bomb, designed to cause blast damage underground on a large scale. It was directed at an IS cave network. Our Lancasters were chucking 22000lb bombs "Grand Slam" down on strategic targets during the latter part of WW2. Ours didn't have sophisticated guidance systems on them though." Did it make a loud bang? How come this thread has moved here? | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan To be pedantic, it was a bomb not a missile. A fuck off bomb as it happens. If the talk is true that it was a Daesh cave compound, then fair play. Give them some more. Problem is that I don't too much trust Western intelligence reports." Direct reports from Afghan military say 36 ISIS fighters killed. So all good then? | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan To be pedantic, it was a bomb not a missile. A fuck off bomb as it happens. If the talk is true that it was a Daesh cave compound, then fair play. Give them some more. Problem is that I don't too much trust Western intelligence reports. Direct reports from Afghan military say 36 ISIS fighters killed. So all good then?" If true, yes. But.... I do also harbour this concern that it is somewhat wasteful to be trying to defeat an ideology with bombs and I worry that dropping bombs on other countries acts as efficient recruiting propaganda for Daesh. 36 dead - but how many more now believe the Daesh propaganda that the West generally and Americans in particular are wantonly killing Muslims in a proxy religious war? In Vietnam, every VC killed resulted in 2-4 more joining the resistance against the Americans. Just need to be a bit careful about this. | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan To be pedantic, it was a bomb not a missile. A fuck off bomb as it happens. If the talk is true that it was a Daesh cave compound, then fair play. Give them some more. Problem is that I don't too much trust Western intelligence reports. Direct reports from Afghan military say 36 ISIS fighters killed. So all good then? If true, yes. But.... I do also harbour this concern that it is somewhat wasteful to be trying to defeat an ideology with bombs and I worry that dropping bombs on other countries acts as efficient recruiting propaganda for Daesh. 36 dead - but how many more now believe the Daesh propaganda that the West generally and Americans in particular are wantonly killing Muslims in a proxy religious war? In Vietnam, every VC killed resulted in 2-4 more joining the resistance against the Americans. Just need to be a bit careful about this." I don't believe we are fighting an ideology and I don't believe most of their fighters are recruited on the strength of propoganda. So your concerns wouldn't bother me but I understand why someone who agrees with those assumptions would be concerned. | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan To be pedantic, it was a bomb not a missile. A fuck off bomb as it happens. If the talk is true that it was a Daesh cave compound, then fair play. Give them some more. Problem is that I don't too much trust Western intelligence reports. Direct reports from Afghan military say 36 ISIS fighters killed. So all good then?" Or, as I saw reported elsewhere the cost of that *one single bomb* could have solved the Flint water crisis nearly 3 times over. So I guess it is all a question of priorities. Is spending that some of money to kill 36 fighters worth it? What else could that money have been spent on. Something like 50,000 bombs have been dropped on ISIS in the last two years. The equivalent of something like 3 MOABs *a day*. Yet, the number of ISIS fighters is roughly the same according to the CIA. So perhaps a new approach is needed, as clearly just dropping bombs on them is having fuck all effect and just wasting money. -Matt | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan To be pedantic, it was a bomb not a missile. A fuck off bomb as it happens. If the talk is true that it was a Daesh cave compound, then fair play. Give them some more. Problem is that I don't too much trust Western intelligence reports. Direct reports from Afghan military say 36 ISIS fighters killed. So all good then? If true, yes. But.... I do also harbour this concern that it is somewhat wasteful to be trying to defeat an ideology with bombs and I worry that dropping bombs on other countries acts as efficient recruiting propaganda for Daesh. 36 dead - but how many more now believe the Daesh propaganda that the West generally and Americans in particular are wantonly killing Muslims in a proxy religious war? In Vietnam, every VC killed resulted in 2-4 more joining the resistance against the Americans. Just need to be a bit careful about this. I don't believe we are fighting an ideology and I don't believe most of their fighters are recruited on the strength of propoganda. So your concerns wouldn't bother me but I understand why someone who agrees with those assumptions would be concerned. " Have you seen the propaganda magazine that ISIS publish? Dabiq and the new, shorter Rumiyah? They are very high quality publications with a lot of effort put into their publication and content. To be frank, whether you think it is an ideology or not is neither here not there. Unless you are planning to sign up to join them? The fact is they are putting a lot of effort into their propaganda to recruit new members. -Matt | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan To be pedantic, it was a bomb not a missile. A fuck off bomb as it happens. If the talk is true that it was a Daesh cave compound, then fair play. Give them some more. Problem is that I don't too much trust Western intelligence reports. Direct reports from Afghan military say 36 ISIS fighters killed. So all good then? Or, as I saw reported elsewhere the cost of that *one single bomb* could have solved the Flint water crisis nearly 3 times over. So I guess it is all a question of priorities. Is spending that some of money to kill 36 fighters worth it? What else could that money have been spent on. Something like 50,000 bombs have been dropped on ISIS in the last two years. The equivalent of something like 3 MOABs *a day*. Yet, the number of ISIS fighters is roughly the same according to the CIA. So perhaps a new approach is needed, as clearly just dropping bombs on them is having fuck all effect and just wasting money. -Matt" Economics doesn't work like that though. It's the same logical fallacy as saying that if you could go back in time and kill baby Hitler then WW2 wouldn't happen. Most countries spend ~2% of GDP on defence. Whether they drop bomb x or not, they will spend the same total value on defence. | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan To be pedantic, it was a bomb not a missile. A fuck off bomb as it happens. If the talk is true that it was a Daesh cave compound, then fair play. Give them some more. Problem is that I don't too much trust Western intelligence reports. Direct reports from Afghan military say 36 ISIS fighters killed. So all good then? If true, yes. But.... I do also harbour this concern that it is somewhat wasteful to be trying to defeat an ideology with bombs and I worry that dropping bombs on other countries acts as efficient recruiting propaganda for Daesh. 36 dead - but how many more now believe the Daesh propaganda that the West generally and Americans in particular are wantonly killing Muslims in a proxy religious war? In Vietnam, every VC killed resulted in 2-4 more joining the resistance against the Americans. Just need to be a bit careful about this. I don't believe we are fighting an ideology and I don't believe most of their fighters are recruited on the strength of propoganda. So your concerns wouldn't bother me but I understand why someone who agrees with those assumptions would be concerned. Have you seen the propaganda magazine that ISIS publish? Dabiq and the new, shorter Rumiyah? They are very high quality publications with a lot of effort put into their publication and content. To be frank, whether you think it is an ideology or not is neither here not there. Unless you are planning to sign up to join them? The fact is they are putting a lot of effort into their propaganda to recruit new members. -Matt" Allow me to attempt the socratic method. Most 'members' have families and those families have needs (medical bills, food, housing etc). How do you suppose those members family needs are taken care of? Is ISIS some hybrid command economy where they allocate resources from central or do you think the 'members' get paid directly from which they support their families? | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan To be pedantic, it was a bomb not a missile. A fuck off bomb as it happens. If the talk is true that it was a Daesh cave compound, then fair play. Give them some more. Problem is that I don't too much trust Western intelligence reports. Direct reports from Afghan military say 36 ISIS fighters killed. So all good then? Or, as I saw reported elsewhere the cost of that *one single bomb* could have solved the Flint water crisis nearly 3 times over. So I guess it is all a question of priorities. Is spending that some of money to kill 36 fighters worth it? What else could that money have been spent on. Something like 50,000 bombs have been dropped on ISIS in the last two years. The equivalent of something like 3 MOABs *a day*. Yet, the number of ISIS fighters is roughly the same according to the CIA. So perhaps a new approach is needed, as clearly just dropping bombs on them is having fuck all effect and just wasting money. -Matt Economics doesn't work like that though. It's the same logical fallacy as saying that if you could go back in time and kill baby Hitler then WW2 wouldn't happen. Most countries spend ~2% of GDP on defence. Whether they drop bomb x or not, they will spend the same total value on defence." Fine, stick to 2% GDP on defence. Just perhaps alternatives to dropping bombs on them needs to be considered, as it doesn't appear to be having any effect. Of course, that is not to say, that we know what not-dropping-bombs on would look like. Maybe they would have grown 10-fold. Who knows. -Matt | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan To be pedantic, it was a bomb not a missile. A fuck off bomb as it happens. If the talk is true that it was a Daesh cave compound, then fair play. Give them some more. Problem is that I don't too much trust Western intelligence reports. Direct reports from Afghan military say 36 ISIS fighters killed. So all good then? If true, yes. But.... I do also harbour this concern that it is somewhat wasteful to be trying to defeat an ideology with bombs and I worry that dropping bombs on other countries acts as efficient recruiting propaganda for Daesh. 36 dead - but how many more now believe the Daesh propaganda that the West generally and Americans in particular are wantonly killing Muslims in a proxy religious war? In Vietnam, every VC killed resulted in 2-4 more joining the resistance against the Americans. Just need to be a bit careful about this. I don't believe we are fighting an ideology and I don't believe most of their fighters are recruited on the strength of propoganda. So your concerns wouldn't bother me but I understand why someone who agrees with those assumptions would be concerned. Have you seen the propaganda magazine that ISIS publish? Dabiq and the new, shorter Rumiyah? They are very high quality publications with a lot of effort put into their publication and content. To be frank, whether you think it is an ideology or not is neither here not there. Unless you are planning to sign up to join them? The fact is they are putting a lot of effort into their propaganda to recruit new members. -Matt Allow me to attempt the socratic method. Most 'members' have families and those families have needs (medical bills, food, housing etc). How do you suppose those members family needs are taken care of? Is ISIS some hybrid command economy where they allocate resources from central or do you think the 'members' get paid directly from which they support their families? " I've got no idea how they pay their recruits. But why would that have an impact on whether it was an ideaology or not? Surely you can still succumb to propaganda, an ideology and still be paid? -Matt | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan To be pedantic, it was a bomb not a missile. A fuck off bomb as it happens. If the talk is true that it was a Daesh cave compound, then fair play. Give them some more. Problem is that I don't too much trust Western intelligence reports. Direct reports from Afghan military say 36 ISIS fighters killed. So all good then? If true, yes. But.... I do also harbour this concern that it is somewhat wasteful to be trying to defeat an ideology with bombs and I worry that dropping bombs on other countries acts as efficient recruiting propaganda for Daesh. 36 dead - but how many more now believe the Daesh propaganda that the West generally and Americans in particular are wantonly killing Muslims in a proxy religious war? In Vietnam, every VC killed resulted in 2-4 more joining the resistance against the Americans. Just need to be a bit careful about this. I don't believe we are fighting an ideology and I don't believe most of their fighters are recruited on the strength of propoganda. So your concerns wouldn't bother me but I understand why someone who agrees with those assumptions would be concerned. Have you seen the propaganda magazine that ISIS publish? Dabiq and the new, shorter Rumiyah? They are very high quality publications with a lot of effort put into their publication and content. To be frank, whether you think it is an ideology or not is neither here not there. Unless you are planning to sign up to join them? The fact is they are putting a lot of effort into their propaganda to recruit new members. -Matt Allow me to attempt the socratic method. Most 'members' have families and those families have needs (medical bills, food, housing etc). How do you suppose those members family needs are taken care of? Is ISIS some hybrid command economy where they allocate resources from central or do you think the 'members' get paid directly from which they support their families? I've got no idea how they pay their recruits. But why would that have an impact on whether it was an ideaology or not? Surely you can still succumb to propaganda, an ideology and still be paid? -Matt" Well consider that the unemployment rate in syria is 57% and Iraq is officially 16% and due to one of the dumbest political decisions in history (called "de-baathification") the region is flooded with ex-Iraq army members. So in other words, the worlds 4th largest army was made redundant in a region of the world with mass unemployment. Which is synonymous with saying that there are lots of men with families to feed, no job and their primary skillset is warfare. Along comes an organisation who according to many sources pay between $200 - $1,100 a month, are looking for people with military skills and there are no other jobs in the area. Now given these facts, why would you assume the members are primarily motivated to join because of the propoganda as opposed to the salary? | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years.Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeks" You need a heavy bombing campaign to fight an ideology. | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years.Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeksYou need a heavy bombing campaign to fight an ideology." You can only fight an ideology with a better ideology.You can't bomb ideas. | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years.Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeksYou need a heavy bombing campaign to fight an ideology.You can only fight an ideology with a better ideology.You can't bomb ideas." Except they arent fighting an ideology for the reasons stated above. | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years.Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeksYou need a heavy bombing campaign to fight an ideology.You can only fight an ideology with a better ideology.You can't bomb ideas." we disagree on a lot but this we can agree on | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years.Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeksYou need a heavy bombing campaign to fight an ideology.You can only fight an ideology with a better ideology.You can't bomb ideas. Except they arent fighting an ideology for the reasons stated above. " All politics is ideology. | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years.Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeksYou need a heavy bombing campaign to fight an ideology.You can only fight an ideology with a better ideology.You can't bomb ideas. Except they arent fighting an ideology for the reasons stated above. All politics is ideology." ISIS isn't a political group either. | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years.Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeksYou need a heavy bombing campaign to fight an ideology.You can only fight an ideology with a better ideology.You can't bomb ideas. Except they arent fighting an ideology for the reasons stated above. " But it helps to destroy their infrastructure. | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years.Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeksYou need a heavy bombing campaign to fight an ideology.You can only fight an ideology with a better ideology.You can't bomb ideas. Except they arent fighting an ideology for the reasons stated above. All politics is ideology. ISIS isn't a political group either. " That is right, they are a terrorist group. | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years.Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeksYou need a heavy bombing campaign to fight an ideology.You can only fight an ideology with a better ideology.You can't bomb ideas. Except they arent fighting an ideology for the reasons stated above. But it helps to destroy their infrastructure." Yes it does. Killing the individual fighters is semi-pointless except for self-defence pruposes. Taking out their ability to fund their fighters is whats inportant. | |||
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"I think the main idea here was a show of force ! I've no sympathy for the target tho ! Maybe it was a reminder to Kim Jong that thier other powerful weapons apart from Nuclear ? "
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But killing enough bastards that fight and support those ideas while not a solution, is always a good thing !
Besides....lol... we doing them a favour , by giving them a ticket to paradise and all those lovely burqa clad virgins! | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years.Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeksYou need a heavy bombing campaign to fight an ideology.You can only fight an ideology with a better ideology.You can't bomb ideas.
But killing enough bastards that fight and support those ideas while not a solution, is always a good thing !
Besides....lol... we doing them a favour , by giving them a ticket to paradise and all those lovely burqa clad virgins! "It's always easier to dehumanise the enemy rather than face up to the fact that in different circumstances, 98% of the people here have the capacity to become nazi prison guards and support a hideous organisation, given a choice between that and not feeding our family. | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan To be pedantic, it was a bomb not a missile. A fuck off bomb as it happens. If the talk is true that it was a Daesh cave compound, then fair play. Give them some more. Problem is that I don't too much trust Western intelligence reports. Direct reports from Afghan military say 36 ISIS fighters killed. So all good then? If true, yes. But.... I do also harbour this concern that it is somewhat wasteful to be trying to defeat an ideology with bombs and I worry that dropping bombs on other countries acts as efficient recruiting propaganda for Daesh. 36 dead - but how many more now believe the Daesh propaganda that the West generally and Americans in particular are wantonly killing Muslims in a proxy religious war? In Vietnam, every VC killed resulted in 2-4 more joining the resistance against the Americans. Just need to be a bit careful about this. I don't believe we are fighting an ideology and I don't believe most of their fighters are recruited on the strength of propoganda. So your concerns wouldn't bother me but I understand why someone who agrees with those assumptions would be concerned. Have you seen the propaganda magazine that ISIS publish? Dabiq and the new, shorter Rumiyah? They are very high quality publications with a lot of effort put into their publication and content. To be frank, whether you think it is an ideology or not is neither here not there. Unless you are planning to sign up to join them? The fact is they are putting a lot of effort into their propaganda to recruit new members. -Matt Allow me to attempt the socratic method. Most 'members' have families and those families have needs (medical bills, food, housing etc). How do you suppose those members family needs are taken care of? Is ISIS some hybrid command economy where they allocate resources from central or do you think the 'members' get paid directly from which they support their families? I've got no idea how they pay their recruits. But why would that have an impact on whether it was an ideaology or not? Surely you can still succumb to propaganda, an ideology and still be paid? -Matt Well consider that the unemployment rate in syria is 57% and Iraq is officially 16% and due to one of the dumbest political decisions in history (called "de-baathification") the region is flooded with ex-Iraq army members. So in other words, the worlds 4th largest army was made redundant in a region of the world with mass unemployment. Which is synonymous with saying that there are lots of men with families to feed, no job and their primary skillset is warfare. Along comes an organisation who according to many sources pay between $200 - $1,100 a month, are looking for people with military skills and there are no other jobs in the area. Now given these facts, why would you assume the members are primarily motivated to join because of the propoganda as opposed to the salary? " OK, you make a very good case for it. I'd never thought of it that way before. Like you say, feeding your family is a pretty strong motivator. Look at those travelling across lands and seas for that reason. -Matt | |||
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"Another missile attack from USA Where's that then? Afghanistan To be pedantic, it was a bomb not a missile. A fuck off bomb as it happens. If the talk is true that it was a Daesh cave compound, then fair play. Give them some more. Problem is that I don't too much trust Western intelligence reports. Direct reports from Afghan military say 36 ISIS fighters killed. So all good then? If true, yes. But.... I do also harbour this concern that it is somewhat wasteful to be trying to defeat an ideology with bombs and I worry that dropping bombs on other countries acts as efficient recruiting propaganda for Daesh. 36 dead - but how many more now believe the Daesh propaganda that the West generally and Americans in particular are wantonly killing Muslims in a proxy religious war? In Vietnam, every VC killed resulted in 2-4 more joining the resistance against the Americans. Just need to be a bit careful about this. I don't believe we are fighting an ideology and I don't believe most of their fighters are recruited on the strength of propoganda. So your concerns wouldn't bother me but I understand why someone who agrees with those assumptions would be concerned. Have you seen the propaganda magazine that ISIS publish? Dabiq and the new, shorter Rumiyah? They are very high quality publications with a lot of effort put into their publication and content. To be frank, whether you think it is an ideology or not is neither here not there. Unless you are planning to sign up to join them? The fact is they are putting a lot of effort into their propaganda to recruit new members. -Matt Allow me to attempt the socratic method. Most 'members' have families and those families have needs (medical bills, food, housing etc). How do you suppose those members family needs are taken care of? Is ISIS some hybrid command economy where they allocate resources from central or do you think the 'members' get paid directly from which they support their families? I've got no idea how they pay their recruits. But why would that have an impact on whether it was an ideaology or not? Surely you can still succumb to propaganda, an ideology and still be paid? -Matt Well consider that the unemployment rate in syria is 57% and Iraq is officially 16% and due to one of the dumbest political decisions in history (called "de-baathification") the region is flooded with ex-Iraq army members. So in other words, the worlds 4th largest army was made redundant in a region of the world with mass unemployment. Which is synonymous with saying that there are lots of men with families to feed, no job and their primary skillset is warfare. Along comes an organisation who according to many sources pay between $200 - $1,100 a month, are looking for people with military skills and there are no other jobs in the area. Now given these facts, why would you assume the members are primarily motivated to join because of the propoganda as opposed to the salary? OK, you make a very good case for it. I'd never thought of it that way before. Like you say, feeding your family is a pretty strong motivator. Look at those travelling across lands and seas for that reason. -Matt" Thank you
If you prefer academic validation to logical validation then i strongly recommend a paper by Oxford professor Paul Collier which anyone can read online called "Greed or Grievance in Civil War". He examines the statistical relationship between ideology (grievance) and financial (greed) reasons for conflict. Guess which one explains the true nature of conflicts? | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years.Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeksYou need a heavy bombing campaign to fight an ideology.You can only fight an ideology with a better ideology.You can't bomb ideas. Except they arent fighting an ideology for the reasons stated above. All politics is ideology. ISIS isn't a political group either. " Everything is politics all politics us ideology. | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years.Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeksYou need a heavy bombing campaign to fight an ideology.You can only fight an ideology with a better ideology.You can't bomb ideas. Except they arent fighting an ideology for the reasons stated above. All politics is ideology. ISIS isn't a political group either. Everything is politics all politics us ideology. " Four legs good, two legs bad  | |||
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"Trump is right, what he said that what he have done in the last 8 weeks is more progress than what they have done in 8 years.Yes he has made things worse in 8 weeksYou need a heavy bombing campaign to fight an ideology.You can only fight an ideology with a better ideology.You can't bomb ideas. Except they arent fighting an ideology for the reasons stated above. All politics is ideology. ISIS isn't a political group either. Everything is politics all politics us ideology. Four legs good, two legs bad "Two legs are always better you get to carry food and beer | |||
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"Well consider that the unemployment rate in syria is 57% and Iraq is officially 16% and due to one of the dumbest political decisions in history (called "de-baathification") the region is flooded with ex-Iraq army members. So in other words, the worlds 4th largest army was made redundant in a region of the world with mass unemployment. Which is synonymous with saying that there are lots of men with families to feed, no job and their primary skillset is warfare. Along comes an organisation who according to many sources pay between $200 - $1,100 a month, are looking for people with military skills and there are no other jobs in the area. Now given these facts, why would you assume the members are primarily motivated to join because of the propoganda as opposed to the salary? OK, you make a very good case for it. I'd never thought of it that way before. Like you say, feeding your family is a pretty strong motivator. Look at those travelling across lands and seas for that reason. -Matt Thank you
If you prefer academic validation to logical validation then i strongly recommend a paper by Oxford professor Paul Collier which anyone can read online called "Greed or Grievance in Civil War". He examines the statistical relationship between ideology (grievance) and financial (greed) reasons for conflict. Guess which one explains the true nature of conflicts? "Cheers I'll look it up. And I think that is what en-nerves so many people about Trump, is that there are a lot of financial connections about to various places. If you are not aware of him already look up Adam Khan (Khanoisseur) on Twitter.... he has been very good over the past half year joining up a lot of the dots and following the money. -Matt | |||
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"Well consider that the unemployment rate in syria is 57% and Iraq is officially 16% and due to one of the dumbest political decisions in history (called "de-baathification") the region is flooded with ex-Iraq army members. So in other words, the worlds 4th largest army was made redundant in a region of the world with mass unemployment. Which is synonymous with saying that there are lots of men with families to feed, no job and their primary skillset is warfare. Along comes an organisation who according to many sources pay between $200 - $1,100 a month, are looking for people with military skills and there are no other jobs in the area. Now given these facts, why would you assume the members are primarily motivated to join because of the propoganda as opposed to the salary? OK, you make a very good case for it. I'd never thought of it that way before. Like you say, feeding your family is a pretty strong motivator. Look at those travelling across lands and seas for that reason. -Matt Thank you
If you prefer academic validation to logical validation then i strongly recommend a paper by Oxford professor Paul Collier which anyone can read online called "Greed or Grievance in Civil War". He examines the statistical relationship between ideology (grievance) and financial (greed) reasons for conflict. Guess which one explains the true nature of conflicts?
Cheers I'll look it up. And I think that is what en-nerves so many people about Trump, is that there are a lot of financial connections about to various places. If you are not aware of him already look up Adam Khan (Khanoisseur) on Twitter.... he has been very good over the past half year joining up a lot of the dots and following the money.
-Matt"I was more referring to the money ISIS makes from illicit sales of (stolen) oil, drugs and prostitutes. If we assume they have 100,000 fighters and take the lowest end of the pay estimates then thats a wage bill of $20m a month before they fire a single bullet or RPG. Some people may want to believe that it all comes from donations just as some people want to believe in a flat earth. But the overwhelming evidence is that ISIS is busier trading those commodities than it is fighting anyone. | |||
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"Well consider that the unemployment rate in syria is 57% and Iraq is officially 16% and due to one of the dumbest political decisions in history (called "de-baathification") the region is flooded with ex-Iraq army members. So in other words, the worlds 4th largest army was made redundant in a region of the world with mass unemployment. Which is synonymous with saying that there are lots of men with families to feed, no job and their primary skillset is warfare. Along comes an organisation who according to many sources pay between $200 - $1,100 a month, are looking for people with military skills and there are no other jobs in the area. Now given these facts, why would you assume the members are primarily motivated to join because of the propoganda as opposed to the salary? OK, you make a very good case for it. I'd never thought of it that way before. Like you say, feeding your family is a pretty strong motivator. Look at those travelling across lands and seas for that reason. -Matt Thank you
If you prefer academic validation to logical validation then i strongly recommend a paper by Oxford professor Paul Collier which anyone can read online called "Greed or Grievance in Civil War". He examines the statistical relationship between ideology (grievance) and financial (greed) reasons for conflict. Guess which one explains the true nature of conflicts?
Cheers I'll look it up. And I think that is what en-nerves so many people about Trump, is that there are a lot of financial connections about to various places. If you are not aware of him already look up Adam Khan (Khanoisseur) on Twitter.... he has been very good over the past half year joining up a lot of the dots and following the money.
-Matt
I was more referring to the money ISIS makes from illicit sales of (stolen) oil, drugs and prostitutes.
If we assume they have 100,000 fighters and take the lowest end of the pay estimates then thats a wage bill of $20m a month before they fire a single bullet or RPG.
Some people may want to believe that it all comes from donations just as some people want to believe in a flat earth. But the overwhelming evidence is that ISIS is busier trading those commodities than it is fighting anyone. "Ask the Turks ! They are the biggest "Trading" partner with ISIS ! They buy a lot of their "export goods" and supply them with most things...except maybe , weapons and ammo ! | |||
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"Well consider that the unemployment rate in syria is 57% and Iraq is officially 16% and due to one of the dumbest political decisions in history (called "de-baathification") the region is flooded with ex-Iraq army members. So in other words, the worlds 4th largest army was made redundant in a region of the world with mass unemployment. Which is synonymous with saying that there are lots of men with families to feed, no job and their primary skillset is warfare. Along comes an organisation who according to many sources pay between $200 - $1,100 a month, are looking for people with military skills and there are no other jobs in the area. Now given these facts, why would you assume the members are primarily motivated to join because of the propoganda as opposed to the salary? OK, you make a very good case for it. I'd never thought of it that way before. Like you say, feeding your family is a pretty strong motivator. Look at those travelling across lands and seas for that reason. -Matt Thank you
If you prefer academic validation to logical validation then i strongly recommend a paper by Oxford professor Paul Collier which anyone can read online called "Greed or Grievance in Civil War". He examines the statistical relationship between ideology (grievance) and financial (greed) reasons for conflict. Guess which one explains the true nature of conflicts?
Cheers I'll look it up. And I think that is what en-nerves so many people about Trump, is that there are a lot of financial connections about to various places. If you are not aware of him already look up Adam Khan (Khanoisseur) on Twitter.... he has been very good over the past half year joining up a lot of the dots and following the money.
-Matt
I was more referring to the money ISIS makes from illicit sales of (stolen) oil, drugs and prostitutes.
If we assume they have 100,000 fighters and take the lowest end of the pay estimates then thats a wage bill of $20m a month before they fire a single bullet or RPG.
Some people may want to believe that it all comes from donations just as some people want to believe in a flat earth. But the overwhelming evidence is that ISIS is busier trading those commodities than it is fighting anyone.
Ask the Turks ! They are the biggest "Trading" partner with ISIS !
They buy a lot of their "export goods" and supply them with most things...except maybe , weapons and ammo ! "And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone? | |||
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"Well consider that the unemployment rate in syria is 57% and Iraq is officially 16% and due to one of the dumbest political decisions in history (called "de-baathification") the region is flooded with ex-Iraq army members. So in other words, the worlds 4th largest army was made redundant in a region of the world with mass unemployment. Which is synonymous with saying that there are lots of men with families to feed, no job and their primary skillset is warfare. Along comes an organisation who according to many sources pay between $200 - $1,100 a month, are looking for people with military skills and there are no other jobs in the area. Now given these facts, why would you assume the members are primarily motivated to join because of the propoganda as opposed to the salary? OK, you make a very good case for it. I'd never thought of it that way before. Like you say, feeding your family is a pretty strong motivator. Look at those travelling across lands and seas for that reason. -Matt Thank you
If you prefer academic validation to logical validation then i strongly recommend a paper by Oxford professor Paul Collier which anyone can read online called "Greed or Grievance in Civil War". He examines the statistical relationship between ideology (grievance) and financial (greed) reasons for conflict. Guess which one explains the true nature of conflicts?
Cheers I'll look it up. And I think that is what en-nerves so many people about Trump, is that there are a lot of financial connections about to various places. If you are not aware of him already look up Adam Khan (Khanoisseur) on Twitter.... he has been very good over the past half year joining up a lot of the dots and following the money.
-Matt
I was more referring to the money ISIS makes from illicit sales of (stolen) oil, drugs and prostitutes.
If we assume they have 100,000 fighters and take the lowest end of the pay estimates then thats a wage bill of $20m a month before they fire a single bullet or RPG.
Some people may want to believe that it all comes from donations just as some people want to believe in a flat earth. But the overwhelming evidence is that ISIS is busier trading those commodities than it is fighting anyone.
Ask the Turks ! They are the biggest "Trading" partner with ISIS !
They buy a lot of their "export goods" and supply them with most things...except maybe , weapons and ammo !
And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone?
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"Well consider that the unemployment rate in syria is 57% and Iraq is officially 16% and due to one of the dumbest political decisions in history (called "de-baathification") the region is flooded with ex-Iraq army members. So in other words, the worlds 4th largest army was made redundant in a region of the world with mass unemployment. Which is synonymous with saying that there are lots of men with families to feed, no job and their primary skillset is warfare. Along comes an organisation who according to many sources pay between $200 - $1,100 a month, are looking for people with military skills and there are no other jobs in the area. Now given these facts, why would you assume the members are primarily motivated to join because of the propoganda as opposed to the salary? OK, you make a very good case for it. I'd never thought of it that way before. Like you say, feeding your family is a pretty strong motivator. Look at those travelling across lands and seas for that reason. -Matt Thank you
If you prefer academic validation to logical validation then i strongly recommend a paper by Oxford professor Paul Collier which anyone can read online called "Greed or Grievance in Civil War". He examines the statistical relationship between ideology (grievance) and financial (greed) reasons for conflict. Guess which one explains the true nature of conflicts?
Cheers I'll look it up. And I think that is what en-nerves so many people about Trump, is that there are a lot of financial connections about to various places. If you are not aware of him already look up Adam Khan (Khanoisseur) on Twitter.... he has been very good over the past half year joining up a lot of the dots and following the money.
-Matt
I was more referring to the money ISIS makes from illicit sales of (stolen) oil, drugs and prostitutes.
If we assume they have 100,000 fighters and take the lowest end of the pay estimates then thats a wage bill of $20m a month before they fire a single bullet or RPG.
Some people may want to believe that it all comes from donations just as some people want to believe in a flat earth. But the overwhelming evidence is that ISIS is busier trading those commodities than it is fighting anyone.
Ask the Turks ! They are the biggest "Trading" partner with ISIS !
They buy a lot of their "export goods" and supply them with most things...except maybe , weapons and ammo !
And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone?
The Iraq army before it was disbanded mainly with top ups from Iran and possibly north korea "It's funny how quickly people forget things, it was all over the press when it turned out that the insurgents we'd armed against Assad turned out to be ISIS..... | |||
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" And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone? The Iraq army before it was disbanded mainly with top ups from Iran and possibly north korea It's funny how quickly people forget things, it was all over the press when it turned out that the insurgents we'd armed against Assad turned out to be ISIS....." Thats interesting since there isn't a single factory in the UK than manufactures AK47's or bullets for them and ive never seen an ISIS fighter pictured with an SA80A2 | |||
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"Well consider that the unemployment rate in syria is 57% and Iraq is officially 16% and due to one of the dumbest political decisions in history (called "de-baathification") the region is flooded with ex-Iraq army members. So in other words, the worlds 4th largest army was made redundant in a region of the world with mass unemployment. Which is synonymous with saying that there are lots of men with families to feed, no job and their primary skillset is warfare. Along comes an organisation who according to many sources pay between $200 - $1,100 a month, are looking for people with military skills and there are no other jobs in the area. Now given these facts, why would you assume the members are primarily motivated to join because of the propoganda as opposed to the salary? OK, you make a very good case for it. I'd never thought of it that way before. Like you say, feeding your family is a pretty strong motivator. Look at those travelling across lands and seas for that reason. -Matt Thank you
If you prefer academic validation to logical validation then i strongly recommend a paper by Oxford professor Paul Collier which anyone can read online called "Greed or Grievance in Civil War". He examines the statistical relationship between ideology (grievance) and financial (greed) reasons for conflict. Guess which one explains the true nature of conflicts?
Cheers I'll look it up. And I think that is what en-nerves so many people about Trump, is that there are a lot of financial connections about to various places. If you are not aware of him already look up Adam Khan (Khanoisseur) on Twitter.... he has been very good over the past half year joining up a lot of the dots and following the money.
-Matt
I was more referring to the money ISIS makes from illicit sales of (stolen) oil, drugs and prostitutes.
If we assume they have 100,000 fighters and take the lowest end of the pay estimates then thats a wage bill of $20m a month before they fire a single bullet or RPG.
Some people may want to believe that it all comes from donations just as some people want to believe in a flat earth. But the overwhelming evidence is that ISIS is busier trading those commodities than it is fighting anyone.
Ask the Turks ! They are the biggest "Trading" partner with ISIS !
They buy a lot of their "export goods" and supply them with most things...except maybe , weapons and ammo !
And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone?
"Several sources ! While the basis is Russian or ex Soviet Block types , Ak´s Pkm´s Rpg7´s etc! these are so common and have so many suppliers its useless trying to list them ! They also now have a gamut of US captured hardware from the New Iraq army ! Its also no secret that some of the gulf states support them financially ! | |||
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" And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone? The Iraq army before it was disbanded mainly with top ups from Iran and possibly north korea It's funny how quickly people forget things, it was all over the press when it turned out that the insurgents we'd armed against Assad turned out to be ISIS..... Thats interesting since there isn't a single factory in the UK than manufactures AK47's or bullets for them and ive never seen an ISIS fighter pictured with an SA80A2" Did I say that we'd made them? Since when did you have to manufacture something to sell it? | |||
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" And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone? The Iraq army before it was disbanded mainly with top ups from Iran and possibly north korea It's funny how quickly people forget things, it was all over the press when it turned out that the insurgents we'd armed against Assad turned out to be ISIS..... Thats interesting since there isn't a single factory in the UK than manufactures AK47's or bullets for them and ive never seen an ISIS fighter pictured with an SA80A2 Did I say that we'd made them? Since when did you have to manufacture something to sell it?"
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" And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone? The Iraq army before it was disbanded mainly with top ups from Iran and possibly north korea It's funny how quickly people forget things, it was all over the press when it turned out that the insurgents we'd armed against Assad turned out to be ISIS..... Thats interesting since there isn't a single factory in the UK than manufactures AK47's or bullets for them and ive never seen an ISIS fighter pictured with an SA80A2 Did I say that we'd made them? Since when did you have to manufacture something to sell it?" Ok, just fill me in on why they needed us to buy the most easily available weapons in the world? | |||
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" And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone? The Iraq army before it was disbanded mainly with top ups from Iran and possibly north korea It's funny how quickly people forget things, it was all over the press when it turned out that the insurgents we'd armed against Assad turned out to be ISIS..... Thats interesting since there isn't a single factory in the UK than manufactures AK47's or bullets for them and ive never seen an ISIS fighter pictured with an SA80A2 Did I say that we'd made them? Since when did you have to manufacture something to sell it? Ok, just fill me in on why they needed us to buy the most easily available weapons in the world? " And also, if I recall correctly, I'm not sure we sold them, I think we gave them away, but I could be wrong its a while ago now. | |||
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" And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone? The Iraq army before it was disbanded mainly with top ups from Iran and possibly north korea It's funny how quickly people forget things, it was all over the press when it turned out that the insurgents we'd armed against Assad turned out to be ISIS..... Thats interesting since there isn't a single factory in the UK than manufactures AK47's or bullets for them and ive never seen an ISIS fighter pictured with an SA80A2 Did I say that we'd made them? Since when did you have to manufacture something to sell it? Ok, just fill me in on why they needed us to buy the most easily available weapons in the world? I'm sure that they possibly didn't "need" us, but we are quite pro-active in the field of arms sales. It was literally all over the news when it broke, I want to say Nov 2016 off the top of my head, I can't be arsed to google it. I'm also not sure we sold them hand weapons, ordanance is more our style. " We account for 4.5% of global arms exports, the vast majority of which are typhoons to saudi. Not exactly what i would call "quite pro-active". If you want a weapon and can't get the US, Russia or China to sell it to you then you are doing something seriously odd. Even North Korea passes that test. | |||
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" And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone? The Iraq army before it was disbanded mainly with top ups from Iran and possibly north korea It's funny how quickly people forget things, it was all over the press when it turned out that the insurgents we'd armed against Assad turned out to be ISIS..... Thats interesting since there isn't a single factory in the UK than manufactures AK47's or bullets for them and ive never seen an ISIS fighter pictured with an SA80A2 Did I say that we'd made them? Since when did you have to manufacture something to sell it? Ok, just fill me in on why they needed us to buy the most easily available weapons in the world? " I'm sure that they possibly didn't "need" us, but we are quite pro-active in the field of arms sales. It was literally all over the news when it broke, I want to say Nov 2014 off the top of my head, I can't be arsed to google it. I'm also not sure we sold them hand weapons, ordanance is more our style. | |||
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" And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone? The Iraq army before it was disbanded mainly with top ups from Iran and possibly north korea It's funny how quickly people forget things, it was all over the press when it turned out that the insurgents we'd armed against Assad turned out to be ISIS..... Thats interesting since there isn't a single factory in the UK than manufactures AK47's or bullets for them and ive never seen an ISIS fighter pictured with an SA80A2 Did I say that we'd made them? Since when did you have to manufacture something to sell it? Ok, just fill me in on why they needed us to buy the most easily available weapons in the world? I'm sure that they possibly didn't "need" us, but we are quite pro-active in the field of arms sales. It was literally all over the news when it broke, I want to say Nov 2014 off the top of my head, I can't be arsed to google it. I'm also not sure we sold them hand weapons, ordanance is more our style." . The CIA have already admitted that theyve trained and provided weapons for Syrian "rebels" and your right it was years ago but there still out there in Jordan now training the fuckers. The yanks want to cut off the Russian octopus tentacles one at a time, the weird bit is, its not in the yanks interests to see any stability in Syria ever but it actually is in russias interests as they want to keep their man Assad. Its all bullshit, the whole thing is a fucked up proxy mess. The yanks through NATO push the agenda, NATO members say how high when they say jump because they get "free defense", Donald trump is a fucking idiot, he keeps banging on about NATO members spending their fair share as if thats the deal?. No the deal is the yanks pay and they get to set the agenda, they get to push right upto russias border with this agreement and they dont have to look like the aggressors. If NATO really wanted peace they would stop advancing closer and closer to Russia, this very act is backing Vlad into a corner of which there can be no escaping, its the deadliest and most stupid game of chess the yanks have played and they've played some fucking shit moves over the decades | |||
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" And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone? The Iraq army before it was disbanded mainly with top ups from Iran and possibly north korea It's funny how quickly people forget things, it was all over the press when it turned out that the insurgents we'd armed against Assad turned out to be ISIS..... Thats interesting since there isn't a single factory in the UK than manufactures AK47's or bullets for them and ive never seen an ISIS fighter pictured with an SA80A2 Did I say that we'd made them? Since when did you have to manufacture something to sell it? Ok, just fill me in on why they needed us to buy the most easily available weapons in the world? I'm sure that they possibly didn't "need" us, but we are quite pro-active in the field of arms sales. It was literally all over the news when it broke, I want to say Nov 2014 off the top of my head, I can't be arsed to google it. I'm also not sure we sold them hand weapons, ordanance is more our style.. The CIA have already admitted that theyve trained and provided weapons for Syrian "rebels" and your right it was years ago but there still out there in Jordan now training the fuckers. The yanks want to cut off the Russian octopus tentacles one at a time, the weird bit is, its not in the yanks interests to see any stability in Syria ever but it actually is in russias interests as they want to keep their man Assad. Its all bullshit, the whole thing is a fucked up proxy mess. The yanks through NATO push the agenda, NATO members say how high when they say jump because they get "free defense", Donald trump is a fucking idiot, he keeps banging on about NATO members spending their fair share as if thats the deal?. No the deal is the yanks pay and they get to set the agenda, they get to push right upto russias border with this agreement and they dont have to look like the aggressors. If NATO really wanted peace they would stop advancing closer and closer to Russia, this very act is backing Vlad into a corner of which there can be no escaping, its the deadliest and most stupid game of chess the yanks have played and they've played some fucking shit moves over the decades" Straight to the point as always Sickboy. Empire building is a dangerous game when you come up against someone protecting their own empire. | |||
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" And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone? The Iraq army before it was disbanded mainly with top ups from Iran and possibly north korea It's funny how quickly people forget things, it was all over the press when it turned out that the insurgents we'd armed against Assad turned out to be ISIS..... Thats interesting since there isn't a single factory in the UK than manufactures AK47's or bullets for them and ive never seen an ISIS fighter pictured with an SA80A2 Did I say that we'd made them? Since when did you have to manufacture something to sell it? Ok, just fill me in on why they needed us to buy the most easily available weapons in the world? I'm sure that they possibly didn't "need" us, but we are quite pro-active in the field of arms sales. It was literally all over the news when it broke, I want to say Nov 2014 off the top of my head, I can't be arsed to google it. I'm also not sure we sold them hand weapons, ordanance is more our style." I tried googling it and couldn't find anything. There were some stories that ISIS had some weapons originating from europe which translated as made in eastern europe and sold via turkey. Most of the stories about ISIS having UK weapons come from the UK having supplied Iraq and ISIS stealing them from Iraq which is what i said earlier. | |||
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"... Ask the Turks ! They are the biggest "Trading" partner with ISIS ! They buy a lot of their "export goods" and supply them with most things...except maybe , weapons and ammo !
And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone?
The Iraq army before it was disbanded mainly with top ups from Iran and possibly north korea "??? Why would Iran supply ISIS with weapons? Don't see any logic in that statement considering that each party represents a diametrically opposed view of Islam. | |||
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"... Ask the Turks ! They are the biggest "Trading" partner with ISIS ! They buy a lot of their "export goods" and supply them with most things...except maybe , weapons and ammo !
And where did they get their weapons and ammo from, Tone?
The Iraq army before it was disbanded mainly with top ups from Iran and possibly north korea
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Why would Iran supply ISIS with weapons? Don't see any logic in that statement considering that each party represents a diametrically opposed view of Islam."Well it's always interesting how little people care about religion and politics once money gets involved. Your statement makes sense if you view Iran as a consistent autonomous entity. The problem is that it isn't. In the same way that the Saudi Royal family have zero interest in supporting terrorism (because they are far more likely to be overthrown by them than anyone else), there are other groups in saudi do support terrorism. Likewise in Iran, the sheer volume of government corruption means that its not all that difficult to find a mid level state employee who will fudge the paperwork for a bribe even if that goes against the wishes of their politicians. | |||
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"Strap yourself in - it's gonna be a hell of a ride! " Prepping has just ramped-up another level. | |||
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