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"Before hitler decided to take back what germany lost after WW1...a war in which he was a rider. Between ww1 and ww2 he put in an independent banking system, stabalized the economy quicker than any other governments and turned the country around from major loss into major profit. Between him getting into power and ww2 yeh the man went batshit crazy and lost the plot..... But on the other side of the coin, we have boris Johnson " And hitler built the autobahns,he was a clever man but as you say he lost the plot | |||
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"Spicer is "friends" with a number of holocaust deniers...... he is a sick, and not particularly bright guy." Pretty much this.. Trump has people in his inner circle who have pretty divisive views and trump himself has in his business dealings shown he is happy to racially discriminate .. Not the best mix in a country as diverse as the states.. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story? "Contextualising it gets it in perspective. Though a poor choice of words by him? Hitler was gassed in the first world war? As you highlighted...getting things in perspective doesn't release the pack baying for blood. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story? "He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over.. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story? "Also there are others,Idi Amin is another example. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story? "what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way" .... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin"To be fair, we are rather making a mountain out of a molehill and missing the actual point which is a complete bastard is routinely gassing his own people. But we are caught up in a Pavlovian response because someone mentioned Hitler and the world feels that it must respond along the socially acceptable norm despite how utterly irrelevant the response is. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin"and thats kinda conveniently forgetting all those jewish people that were gassed in concentration camps..... spicey just can't keep putting his own foot in his own mouth.... | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin
and thats kinda conveniently forgetting all those jewish people that were gassed in concentration camps.....
spicey just can't keep putting his own foot in his own mouth...."At least he is enjoying himself though. You cannot say his heart is not in it. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin
and thats kinda conveniently forgetting all those jewish people that were gassed in concentration camps.....
spicey just can't keep putting his own foot in his own mouth....
At least he is enjoying himself though. You cannot say his heart is not in it."Assad or Spicer?  | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin
To be fair, we are rather making a mountain out of a molehill and missing the actual point which is a complete bastard is routinely gassing his own people. But we are caught up in a Pavlovian response because someone mentioned Hitler and the world feels that it must respond along the socially acceptable norm despite how utterly irrelevant the response is."to be fair, nobody yet knows who is responsible for the recent gas attack .... sort of like when iraq got fingered for "definately" having enormous stockpiles of chemical weapons lying around everywhere ... sean spicer would do well to remember that before gobbing off in public | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin
and thats kinda conveniently forgetting all those jewish people that were gassed in concentration camps.....
spicey just can't keep putting his own foot in his own mouth...."these days, spicer only ever opens his mouth to change feet | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin
and thats kinda conveniently forgetting all those jewish people that were gassed in concentration camps.....
spicey just can't keep putting his own foot in his own mouth...."Or holocaust centres as Spicer bizarely called them | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin
To be fair, we are rather making a mountain out of a molehill and missing the actual point which is a complete bastard is routinely gassing his own people. But we are caught up in a Pavlovian response because someone mentioned Hitler and the world feels that it must respond along the socially acceptable norm despite how utterly irrelevant the response is.
to be fair, nobody yet knows who is responsible for the recent gas attack .... sort of like when iraq got fingered for "definately" having enormous stockpiles of chemical weapons lying around everywhere ... sean spicer would do well to remember that before gobbing off in public"I think the fact that people have denied it does not really mean they are not responsible. Unless someone witnesses a scene from beginning to end, no one can ever be 100% sure who does anything. But look at means, motive and opportunity. Syria had the means, motive and opportinity. The rebels don't have any aircraft so how can they drop bombs from aircraft? | |||
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" Trump will either get impeached out or will throw his toys out of The pram because congress knows he is a fucking idiot" I hope he doesn't get impeached or shot. Because Pence is a far worse option. | |||
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"World War 2 was started by Britain and France declaring war on Hitler's Germany, under the pretext of invading Poland (which is basically half Russian, half German anyway, it's not even a proper country). He didn't want war with Britain. He wanted an alliance with us. So yeah he wasn't that bad. He loved animals, he built the Autobahns, slashed unemployment "wow.... thats revisionist to the extreme.... | |||
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"World War 2 was started by Britain and France declaring war on Hitler's Germany, under the pretext of invading Poland (which is basically half Russian, half German anyway, it's not even a proper country). He didn't want war with Britain. He wanted an alliance with us. So yeah he wasn't that bad. He loved animals, he built the Autobahns, slashed unemployment "I think the Poles may have something to say about the assertion that their country is not a proper country. But the English have long been experts at declaring things they have no idea about as fact and telling the affected to just suck it up. | |||
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"World War 2 was started by Britain and France declaring war on Hitler's Germany, under the pretext of invading Poland (which is basically half Russian, half German anyway, it's not even a proper country). He didn't want war with Britain. He wanted an alliance with us. So yeah he wasn't that bad. He loved animals, he built the Autobahns, slashed unemployment "Slashing unemployment by gassing millions is an avant garde approach that not even the Tories have given much thought to in recent years. | |||
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"World War 2 was started by Britain and France declaring war on Hitler's Germany, under the pretext of invading Poland (which is basically half Russian, half German anyway, it's not even a proper country). He didn't want war with Britain. He wanted an alliance with us. So yeah he wasn't that bad. He loved animals, he built the Autobahns, slashed unemployment
wow.... thats revisionist to the extreme.... "Trolling. It's not revisionism. Turns out Spicer is a member of Fabs | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin
To be fair, we are rather making a mountain out of a molehill and missing the actual point which is a complete bastard is routinely gassing his own people. But we are caught up in a Pavlovian response because someone mentioned Hitler and the world feels that it must respond along the socially acceptable norm despite how utterly irrelevant the response is.
to be fair, nobody yet knows who is responsible for the recent gas attack .... sort of like when iraq got fingered for "definately" having enormous stockpiles of chemical weapons lying around everywhere ... sean spicer would do well to remember that before gobbing off in public
I think the fact that people have denied it does not really mean they are not responsible.
Unless someone witnesses a scene from beginning to end, no one can ever be 100% sure who does anything. But look at means, motive and opportunity.
Syria had the means, motive and opportinity.
The rebels don't have any aircraft so how can they drop bombs from aircraft?"so you accept that at this juncture it isn't clear what happened and that it is too early to make a absolutely conclusive judgement as to who was responsible and that right now there are only "best guesses"? | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin
To be fair, we are rather making a mountain out of a molehill and missing the actual point which is a complete bastard is routinely gassing his own people. But we are caught up in a Pavlovian response because someone mentioned Hitler and the world feels that it must respond along the socially acceptable norm despite how utterly irrelevant the response is.
to be fair, nobody yet knows who is responsible for the recent gas attack .... sort of like when iraq got fingered for "definately" having enormous stockpiles of chemical weapons lying around everywhere ... sean spicer would do well to remember that before gobbing off in public
I think the fact that people have denied it does not really mean they are not responsible.
Unless someone witnesses a scene from beginning to end, no one can ever be 100% sure who does anything. But look at means, motive and opportunity.
Syria had the means, motive and opportinity.
The rebels don't have any aircraft so how can they drop bombs from aircraft?
so you accept that at this juncture it isn't clear what happened and that it is too early to make a absolutely conclusive judgement as to who was responsible and that right now there are only "best guesses"? "Did you only read the words in my response which suited you? Or are you wilfully ignoring the rest? | |||
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"Contextualising it gets it in perspective...getting things in perspective doesn't release the pack baying for blood." Er, what context would that be? The context that Spicer's entirely false statement and his garbled attempts at clarification came the day after the start of Passover? Great result for the Trump Admin...your Press Secretary manages to insult the Jewish people - America's most important ally in the Middle East - during their most sacred religious festival... | |||
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" So yeah he wasn't that bad. He loved animals, he built the Autobahns, slashed unemployment "Sending thousands off young men to die in war while incarcerating and murdering thousands of others in concentration caps is probably not the best way to reduce unemployment though is it? | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin
To be fair, we are rather making a mountain out of a molehill and missing the actual point which is a complete bastard is routinely gassing his own people. But we are caught up in a Pavlovian response because someone mentioned Hitler and the world feels that it must respond along the socially acceptable norm despite how utterly irrelevant the response is.
to be fair, nobody yet knows who is responsible for the recent gas attack .... sort of like when iraq got fingered for "definately" having enormous stockpiles of chemical weapons lying around everywhere ... sean spicer would do well to remember that before gobbing off in public
I think the fact that people have denied it does not really mean they are not responsible.
Unless someone witnesses a scene from beginning to end, no one can ever be 100% sure who does anything. But look at means, motive and opportunity.
Syria had the means, motive and opportinity.
The rebels don't have any aircraft so how can they drop bombs from aircraft?
so you accept that at this juncture it isn't clear what happened and that it is too early to make a absolutely conclusive judgement as to who was responsible and that right now there are only "best guesses"?
Did you only read the words in my response which suited you?
Or are you wilfully ignoring the rest?"hang on .... am not ignoring anything ... i'm just saying it's a bit too early to make any calls on this untill the evidence is in ... you seem to be accusing me of denying something which as of yet cannot be proved or disproved ... i ain't having a go at you in other words .... i am having a go a spicer when he said hitler didn't gas his own people, which is the underlying theme of the thread | |||
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" So yeah he wasn't that bad. He loved animals, he built the Autobahns, slashed unemployment
Sending thousands off young men to die in war while incarcerating and murdering thousands of others in concentration caps is probably not the best way to reduce unemployment though is it?
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" The problem wasn't Hitler alone. The problem was the frightening ability of a few, to rile up the masses with information that no one researches to validate. Fear,hatred and blame are easy to influence via media and rooftop politics. It happens even today on many levels. You see it in the forums where people rant, with very few facts being the basis of their stance. I digress. Hitler was a lunatic. But he wasn't alone." Agree, need the masses to be up for change and to blame someone else. Brexit vote has aspects of this which is scary  | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin
To be fair, we are rather making a mountain out of a molehill and missing the actual point which is a complete bastard is routinely gassing his own people. But we are caught up in a Pavlovian response because someone mentioned Hitler and the world feels that it must respond along the socially acceptable norm despite how utterly irrelevant the response is.
to be fair, nobody yet knows who is responsible for the recent gas attack .... sort of like when iraq got fingered for "definately" having enormous stockpiles of chemical weapons lying around everywhere ... sean spicer would do well to remember that before gobbing off in public
I think the fact that people have denied it does not really mean they are not responsible.
Unless someone witnesses a scene from beginning to end, no one can ever be 100% sure who does anything. But look at means, motive and opportunity.
Syria had the means, motive and opportinity.
The rebels don't have any aircraft so how can they drop bombs from aircraft?
so you accept that at this juncture it isn't clear what happened and that it is too early to make a absolutely conclusive judgement as to who was responsible and that right now there are only "best guesses"?
Did you only read the words in my response which suited you?
Or are you wilfully ignoring the rest?
hang on .... am not ignoring anything ... i'm just saying it's a bit too early to make any calls on this untill the evidence is in ... you seem to be accusing me of denying something which as of yet cannot be proved or disproved ... i ain't having a go at you in other words .... i am having a go a spicer when he said hitler didn't gas his own people, which is the underlying theme of the thread "I never accused you of denying anything. But let's accept that all the evidence shall never be in as the actors have a vested interest in ensuring that it doesn't get seen. So we must look at the basic facts and when doing so there are three possible sources of Sarin gas. Syria, Russia, US. We are able to discount the last two as each side has declared that the other was not in the region at the time. Which is as good an indication as we can hope for. So that leaves one. Syria. Then we ask do they have the means? We know they kept 1000 tonnes of Sarin gas after supposedly decommissioning all their chemical weapons. Furthermore they kept the means to manufacture. Then we ask do they have a motive? Well yes. They are fighting a civil war and have been trying to crush the populations in those regions for a few years now. Then we look at opportunity. Syrian jets were flying sorties and dropping bombs over the area at the time the gas appeared. As a legal case goes, it has some merit. The fact that the Syrian rebels are also cunts is not directly germane to this issue. That is for the argument about are we supporting the correct side. That is a different argument entirely. | |||
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"Unemployment was slashed by his public works programmes, eg motorways, bridges, ports. Look at the statistics. Germany went from recession to booming in just a few years. War wasn't declared by Germany it was Britain and France. These are facts." No one is denying any of that. It doesn't mean that gassing your population doesn't make you a total cunt. Let's also remember that you had to be a certain type of person otherwise you were taken into slavery and often murdered if you were no more use. No one is denying Hitler was an effective leader of his country, but he also did some quite uniquely awful things to millions of innocent people. The fact he built infrastructure does not diminish the effect of the atrocities he committed. | |||
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"Unemployment was slashed by his public works programmes, eg motorways, bridges, ports. Look at the statistics. Germany went from recession to booming in just a few years. War wasn't declared by Germany it was Britain and France. These are facts. No one is denying any of that. It doesn't mean that gassing your population doesn't make you a total cunt. Let's also remember that you had to be a certain type of person otherwise you were taken into slavery and often murdered if you were no more use. No one is denying Hitler was an effective leader of his country, but he also did some quite uniquely awful things to millions of innocent people. The fact he built infrastructure does not diminish the effect of the atrocities he committed. " And yet we whitewash over some of the shit Churchill did. Funny old world eh! | |||
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"I've just been watching the news about Sean Spicer's statement with regards Syria. Surely as someone in such a senior position, you'd know not to make comparisons like this? Or is it a lack of education about what happened in WWII? " It's not just making the comparison. You said it initially. He's in a senior position so you'd think he'd know not to draw the comparison in the first place. Trump thought he had the right team behind him. I don't think there is a single one of them that hasn't lost pubic confidence. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin
To be fair, we are rather making a mountain out of a molehill and missing the actual point which is a complete bastard is routinely gassing his own people. But we are caught up in a Pavlovian response because someone mentioned Hitler and the world feels that it must respond along the socially acceptable norm despite how utterly irrelevant the response is.
to be fair, nobody yet knows who is responsible for the recent gas attack .... sort of like when iraq got fingered for "definately" having enormous stockpiles of chemical weapons lying around everywhere ... sean spicer would do well to remember that before gobbing off in public
I think the fact that people have denied it does not really mean they are not responsible.
Unless someone witnesses a scene from beginning to end, no one can ever be 100% sure who does anything. But look at means, motive and opportunity.
Syria had the means, motive and opportinity.
The rebels don't have any aircraft so how can they drop bombs from aircraft?
so you accept that at this juncture it isn't clear what happened and that it is too early to make a absolutely conclusive judgement as to who was responsible and that right now there are only "best guesses"?
Did you only read the words in my response which suited you?
Or are you wilfully ignoring the rest?
hang on .... am not ignoring anything ... i'm just saying it's a bit too early to make any calls on this untill the evidence is in ... you seem to be accusing me of denying something which as of yet cannot be proved or disproved ... i ain't having a go at you in other words .... i am having a go a spicer when he said hitler didn't gas his own people, which is the underlying theme of the thread
I never accused you of denying anything.
But let's accept that all the evidence shall never be in as the actors have a vested interest in ensuring that it doesn't get seen.
So we must look at the basic facts and when doing so there are three possible sources of Sarin gas.
Syria, Russia, US.
We are able to discount the last two as each side has declared that the other was not in the region at the time. Which is as good an indication as we can hope for.
So that leaves one.
Syria.
Then we ask do they have the means?
We know they kept 1000 tonnes of Sarin gas after supposedly decommissioning all their chemical weapons. Furthermore they kept the means to manufacture.
Then we ask do they have a motive?
Well yes. They are fighting a civil war and have been trying to crush the populations in those regions for a few years now.
Then we look at opportunity.
Syrian jets were flying sorties and dropping bombs over the area at the time the gas appeared.
As a legal case goes, it has some merit.
The fact that the Syrian rebels are also cunts is not directly germane to this issue. That is for the argument about are we supporting the correct side. That is a different argument entirely."you know .... i see you are trying to drag me off topic here, so i'll get back to the topic .... spicer said hitler didn't gas his own people .... and you know what? ..... spicer is wrong and the world is laughing at the american administration as a result | |||
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"Unemployment was slashed by his public works programmes, eg motorways, bridges, ports. Look at the statistics. Germany went from recession to booming in just a few years. War wasn't declared by Germany it was Britain and France. These are facts. No one is denying any of that. It doesn't mean that gassing your population doesn't make you a total cunt. Let's also remember that you had to be a certain type of person otherwise you were taken into slavery and often murdered if you were no more use. No one is denying Hitler was an effective leader of his country, but he also did some quite uniquely awful things to millions of innocent people. The fact he built infrastructure does not diminish the effect of the atrocities he committed. And yet we whitewash over some of the shit Churchill did. Funny old world eh! " The winners always come out looking clean. As I mentioned before Stalin killed many more than Hitler in similar circumstances. However I suggest that comparing Winston and Hitler is somewhat an attempt to muddy the waters. There is little more than a tenuous comparison. | |||
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"Nothing good has ever come of someone using comparison with Hitler" That's more down to western society being unable to discuss the subject properly. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story? "No, he said, among other things...“We didn’t use chemical weapons in the second world war. You know, you had someone as despicable as Hitler who didn’t even sink to using chemical weapons.” I don't think he is anti-Semitic or evil, I just think he is ignorant. He spoke without thinking - and this isn't the first time. It isn't just a "good story." It's a pattern of reckless rhetoric from the Trump administration in general. The press Secretary should at least know how to present things in a more intelligent and thought-out manner. It's his job and he sucks at it. | |||
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"Before hitler decided to take back what germany lost after WW1...a war in which he was a rider. Between ww1 and ww2 he put in an independent banking system, stabalized the economy quicker than any other governments and turned the country around from major loss into major profit. Between him getting into power and ww2 yeh the man went batshit crazy and lost the plot..... But on the other side of the coin, we have boris Johnson " Never condoning atrocities or war. I agree with above. It astounds me how many references to the beyond evil Hitler yet we live in a world where "educated governmemts" permit chemical weapons being used, famines brought about by dictators and fury that we are not a single Europe. Yep, that hitler guy, completely evil as opposed to our civilised world of today. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
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" War wasn't declared by Germany it was Britain and France. These are facts." Loland might disagree | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect"Hitler did use chemical weapons during WW2 | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
Hitler did use chemical weapons during WW2"Did he? . . he did use them to exterminate the concentration camp victims but not on the battlefield which is what Spicer was getting at . . . Assad and Sadam both used missiles against their own people with chemical laden artillery and bombs. . . . . do I stand corrected? | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
Hitler did use chemical weapons during WW2
Did he? . . he did use them to exterminate the concentration camp victims but not on the battlefield which is
what Spicer was getting at . . . Assad and Sadam both used missiles against their own people with chemical laden artillery and bombs. . . . . do I stand corrected? "Are we really at the point of determining which is morally worse - gas chambers or chemical laden artillery? I mean, really? If we are going to get utilitarian about this, how about we start weighing up who killed more of their own people, I mean, how are we determining moral equivalence here? The problem in the end is that we can all try to explain what Spicer was "getting at," but what he actually said was factually misleading (if not plain wrong) and diplomatically miscalculated. He knows it, since he ended up apologizing anyway. | |||
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"Hitler did use them to exterminate the concentration camp victims but not on the battlefield which is what Spicer was getting at...Assad and Saddam both used missiles against their own people with chemical laden artillery and bombs" The fact remains that Hitler - contrary to Spicer's initial statement - DID use chemical weapons against his own people during WWII...the fact that his death squads rounded up the victims first before gassing them is irrelevant. Whether you gas someone to death on the battlefield or in a forced labour/extermination camp, you're still guilty of using chemical weapons. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story? "So the fact the Spicer was giving interviews apologising for being a dick and spouting twaddle is irrelevant? He's a 24 carat moron (like his boss) | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
Hitler did use chemical weapons during WW2
Did he? . . he did use them to exterminate the concentration camp victims but not on the battlefield which is
what Spicer was getting at . . . Assad and Sadam both used missiles against their own people with chemical laden artillery and bombs. . . . . do I stand corrected?
Are we really at the point of determining which is morally worse - gas chambers or chemical laden artillery? I mean, really? If we are going to get utilitarian about this, how about we start weighing up who killed more of their own people, I mean, how are we determining moral equivalence here?
The problem in the end is that we can all try to explain what Spicer was "getting at," but what he actually said was factually misleading (if not plain wrong) and diplomatically miscalculated. He knows it, since he ended up apologizing anyway."and in his apology he made another gaff by saying "he hopes we can move on and get on with focusing on destabilising syria". Well at least he was speaking factual about that bit at least even though thats not the narrative the media are being told to tell us. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
Hitler did use chemical weapons during WW2". Its a bit rich considering the USA sprayed half of Vietnam with agent orange, while blowing up entire villages with napalm and then Richard Nixon trying to talk Kissinger into "just a small nuke" of Vietnam, you know, to show them that we mean business! I wouldnt mind taking a lecture of say, oh new Zealand about the use of chemical weapons but.. The fucking yanks, Jesus Christ, its like being lectured about the fair treatment of combatants by Isis | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
So the fact the Spicer was giving interviews apologising for being a dick and spouting twaddle is irrelevant? He's a 24 carat moron (like his boss)"You could not read it Ina script could you 
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
Hitler did use chemical weapons during WW2.
Its a bit rich considering the USA sprayed half of Vietnam with agent orange, while blowing up entire villages with napalm and then Richard Nixon trying to talk Kissinger into "just a small nuke" of Vietnam, you know, to show them that we mean business!
I wouldnt mind taking a lecture of say, oh new Zealand about the use of chemical weapons but.. The fucking yanks, Jesus Christ, its like being lectured about the fair treatment of combatants by Isis"spot on... you couldnt make it up could you. these americans that have used chemical weapons on their own soldiers (agent orange in vietnam) and the only country to use nuclear bomb (japan twice). | |||
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"Are we really at the point of determining which is morally worse - gas chambers or chemical laden artillery?...The problem in the end is that we can all try to explain what Spicer was "getting at," but what he actually said was factually misleading (if not plain wrong) and diplomatically miscalculated." EXACTLY the point I made earlier in the thread. The people making apologies/excuses for Spicer's blunder are relying solely on technicalities and 'weasel words.' The fact remains that Spicer's comments were poorly informed and ill-advised, as well as being broadly false. Spicer's primary responsibility is to act as spokesperson for the executive branch, yet he has risked jeopardising support for Trump amongst Jewish Americans and diplomatic relations with the State of Israel. The issue should not be 'how can we give Spicer a 'free pass' on the basis of a technicality?' The issue should be 'can Spicer be judged as COMPETENT to serve as spokesperson for the US President?' | |||
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"Before hitler decided to take back what germany lost after WW1...a war in which he was a rider. Between ww1 and ww2 he put in an independent banking system, stabalized the economy quicker than any other governments and turned the country around from major loss into major profit. Between him getting into power and ww2 yeh the man went batshit crazy and lost the plot..... But on the other side of the coin, we have boris Johnson "
We should remember that hitler created the autobahn, gave his forlorn nation hope and future. Freed them from a a totally unfair treaty which ended WW1, its just pity that he went way to far with his industrial scale murder, of the Jews Slavs gays etc. And tried to dominate the whole of Europe, although many would say Hollande and Merkel are trying that in a very different way | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
Hitler did use chemical weapons during WW2.
Its a bit rich considering the USA sprayed half of Vietnam with agent orange, while blowing up entire villages with napalm and then Richard Nixon trying to talk Kissinger into "just a small nuke" of Vietnam, you know, to show them that we mean business!
I wouldnt mind taking a lecture of say, oh new Zealand about the use of chemical weapons but.. The fucking yanks, Jesus Christ, its like being lectured about the fair treatment of combatants by Isis
spot on... you couldnt make it up could you.
these americans that have used chemical weapons on their own soldiers (agent orange in vietnam) and the only country to use nuclear bomb (japan twice).
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"it's just a pity that Hitler went way too far with his industrial scale murder, of the Jews, Slavs, gays, etc." If this isn't meant as a satire of the Far Right, you've just won the 'Donald Trump Award' for 'Most Bone-Headed Statement of the Year' | |||
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"Before hitler decided to take back what germany lost after WW1...a war in which he was a rider. Between ww1 and ww2 he put in an independent banking system, stabalized the economy quicker than any other governments and turned the country around from major loss into major profit. Between him getting into power and ww2 yeh the man went batshit crazy and lost the plot..... But on the other side of the coin, we have boris Johnson
We should remember that hitler created the autobahn, gave his forlorn nation hope and future. Freed them from a a totally unfair treaty which ended WW1, its just pity that he went way to far with his industrial scale murder, of the Jews Slavs gays etc. And tried to dominate the whole of Europe, although many would say Hollande and Merkel are trying that in a very different way"It's a pity when I went to the shop earlier they didn't have what I was looking for. It's a fucking outrage that someone rounded up and killed six or so million people. It's not a pity. Suggesting that the guy needs some slack because he built roads and some bits and bobs is utterly perverse. Frankly the attempted unification of Europe is neither here nor there as the British have been at that for millenia. Actually thinking about it we have been committing genocide for centuries too. But we had the sense to kill black and brown people far from home so apparently that's ok. | |||
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"World War 2 was started by Britain and France declaring war on Hitler's Germany, under the pretext of invading Poland (which is basically half Russian, half German anyway, it's not even a proper country). He didn't want war with Britain. He wanted an alliance with us. So yeah he wasn't that bad. He loved animals, he built the Autobahns, slashed unemployment "Where on earth did you get that from? Of course Poland was a "proper country" in 1939. While modern day Poland does include regions that were once German (East Prussia and parts of Pomerania and Silesia) that wasn't the case in 1939. As for Russia. The German invasion of Poland on September 1st was agreed with the Soviets in the Von Ribbentrop/Molotov pact which included eastern Poland being invaded by the Soviet Union, which they subsequently did on 17th September. Did Hitler want an alliance with Britain? While there has been a lot of conjecture about that and various theory's have been put forward, not forgetting the Hess flight in 1941, there is no concrete evidence to support it that early in the war. It is more generally believed that Hitler thought that Britain and France had no stomach for a fight and would in the end back down in their support of Poland. Pretty much as they had done in response to the re-occupation of the Rhineland and the annexation of the Sudetenland. Later in the war it gets a lot more interesting as to Hitlers view on a pact with Britain. Hitler knew only too well that with Churchill in power Britain would never come to the negotiating table, but he also knew that some high ranking British (including, allegedly, the younger brother of the King) were sympathetic to some form of negotiated peace. The timing of the Rudolf Hess flight which I mentioned earlier was also significant. Many historians believe that Hess had the full blessing of Hitler (which was always denied BTW) to try and get a deal (and Churchill replaced) before the start of operation Barbarossa (The attack on the Soviet Union which began only a month later) A deal with Britain at that time would have released many hundreds of thousands of troops from defending the Atlantic wall and made them available to attack the Russians. So there is some merit in that theory, but it is only a theory that will probably never be proved, one way or the other. However the whole story did get a lot more intriguing the following year with the crash of the Sunderland flying boat in Scotland in which Prince George Duke of Kent was killed. All of the bodies of the passengers and crew were accounted for and then out of the blue the rear gunner turned up alive, meaning that there had been an extra unregistered passenger on board. Some believe that the extra passenger was Hess and that the prisoner tried at Nuremberg and imprisoned in Spandau was a doppelganger. I think it is one of the most interesting mysteries of the whole war. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
Hitler did use chemical weapons during WW2.
Its a bit rich considering the USA sprayed half of Vietnam with agent orange, while blowing up entire villages with napalm and then Richard Nixon trying to talk Kissinger into "just a small nuke" of Vietnam, you know, to show them that we mean business!
I wouldnt mind taking a lecture of say, oh new Zealand about the use of chemical weapons but.. The fucking yanks, Jesus Christ, its like being lectured about the fair treatment of combatants by Isis
spot on... you couldnt make it up could you.
these americans that have used chemical weapons on their own soldiers (agent orange in vietnam) and the only country to use nuclear bomb (japan twice).
And how would have the war in the Pacific ended if they hadn't resorted to the hydrogen bomb, how many more young Americans would have lost their lives with out Enola Gay delivering the final solution ". The war in Pacific was over, it had been over long before the h bombs on Japan. Japanese military was well, err stuck on Japan with absolutely no fuel at all, they didnt even have fuel for the ambulances after the h bomb. What your actually arguing is how would America have got Japan to surrender without the h bomb, thats a different question. Japan has practically no raw materials, no iron ore, no oil, no gas, no coal, no way to produce electricity, there'd already cut down every Palm tree on the island producing synthetic fuel. Now with no electric and no fuel for industry or the military the argument i would make is just exactly how did they pose a threat large enough to nuclear bomb | |||
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"He turned around the economy and got many jobs. When he left office was the economy better or worse than when he took office? " Not sure, but he made it alot better when he came in there. | |||
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"it's just a pity that Hitler went way too far with his industrial scale murder, of the Jews, Slavs, gays, etc. If this isn't meant as a satire of the Far Right, you've just won the 'Donald Trump Award' for 'Most Bone-Headed Statement of the Year'" Thank you for that, who doesn't like to win an award | |||
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"Before hitler decided to take back what germany lost after WW1...a war in which he was a rider. Between ww1 and ww2 he put in an independent banking system, stabalized the economy quicker than any other governments and turned the country around from major loss into major profit. Between him getting into power and ww2 yeh the man went batshit crazy and lost the plot..... But on the other side of the coin, we have boris Johnson
We should remember that hitler created the autobahn, gave his forlorn nation hope and future. Freed them from a a totally unfair treaty which ended WW1, its just pity that he went way to far with his industrial scale murder, of the Jews Slavs gays etc. And tried to dominate the whole of Europe, although many would say Hollande and Merkel are trying that in a very different way
It's a pity when I went to the shop earlier they didn't have what I was looking for.
It's a fucking outrage that someone rounded up and killed six or so million people. It's not a pity.
Suggesting that the guy needs some slack because he built roads and some bits and bobs is utterly perverse.
Frankly the attempted unification of Europe is neither here nor there as the British have been at that for millenia. Actually thinking about it we have been committing genocide for centuries too. But we had the sense to kill black and brown people far from home so apparently that's ok."I don't think anybody would disagree that the whole scale murder of 6 million, is just a tad beyond the norm for any dictator, but just where are the British built gas chambers located, and when did we move trains right through Europe to end the lives of those who weren't useful as slave labour Having said that, does it mean the Swiss are also mass murderers as they waved the cattle trucks from Venice Ghetto and Austria through and on to Germany | |||
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"I am no fan of Trump or Spicer. What Spicer said was stupid, however on this particular occassion, I understand what he was trying to say, that Hitler didn't use gas on the battlefield like Assad has done (even if you dont accept the attack this month, he has been proven to have done it in the past). In terms of numbers, Hitler killed a lot more than Assad, in terms of percentage of population I actually have no idea who's worse. As others of said, Uncle Joe wasn't too friendly either, and we were kind of friends with him once upon a time." | |||
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"World War 2 was started by Britain and France declaring war on Hitler's Germany, under the pretext of invading Poland (which is basically half Russian, half German anyway, it's not even a proper country). He didn't want war with Britain. He wanted an alliance with us. So yeah he wasn't that bad. He loved animals, he built the Autobahns, slashed unemployment
Where on earth did you get that from?
Of course Poland was a "proper country" in 1939.
While modern day Poland does include regions that were once German (East Prussia and parts of Pomerania and Silesia) that wasn't the case in 1939.
As for Russia. The German invasion of Poland on September 1st was agreed with the Soviets in the Von Ribbentrop/Molotov pact which included eastern Poland being invaded by the Soviet Union, which they subsequently did on 17th September.
Did Hitler want an alliance with Britain? While there has been a lot of conjecture about that and various theory's have been put forward, not forgetting the Hess flight in 1941, there is no concrete evidence to support it that early in the war.
It is more generally believed that Hitler thought that Britain and France had no stomach for a fight and would in the end back down in their support of Poland. Pretty much as they had done in response to the re-occupation of the Rhineland and the annexation of the Sudetenland.
Later in the war it gets a lot more interesting as to Hitlers view on a pact with Britain.
Hitler knew only too well that with Churchill in power Britain would never come to the negotiating table, but he also knew that some high ranking British (including, allegedly, the younger brother of the King) were sympathetic to some form of negotiated peace. The timing of the Rudolf Hess flight which I mentioned earlier was also significant. Many historians believe that Hess had the full blessing of Hitler (which was always denied BTW) to try and get a deal (and Churchill replaced) before the start of operation Barbarossa (The attack on the Soviet Union which began only a month later) A deal with Britain at that time would have released many hundreds of thousands of troops from defending the Atlantic wall and made them available to attack the Russians. So there is some merit in that theory, but it is only a theory that will probably never be proved, one way or the other.
However the whole story did get a lot more intriguing the following year with the crash of the Sunderland flying boat in Scotland in which Prince George Duke of Kent was killed.
All of the bodies of the passengers and crew were accounted for and then out of the blue the rear gunner turned up alive, meaning that there had been an extra unregistered passenger on board.
Some believe that the extra passenger was Hess and that the prisoner tried at Nuremberg and imprisoned in Spandau was a doppelganger.
I think it is one of the most interesting mysteries of the whole war.
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"it's just a pity that Hitler went way too far with his industrial scale murder, of the Jews, Slavs, gays, etc. If this isn't meant as a satire of the Far Right, you've just won the 'Donald Trump Award' for 'Most Bone-Headed Statement of the Year'" Must admit on the-reading it, it does come across wrong, but I stand by my initial statement that he gave his people hope. He was also a fabulous orator, who really knew how to captivate his audience | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect"so Zyklon B is what exactly? | |||
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"Hitler did use them to exterminate the concentration camp victims but not on the battlefield which is what Spicer was getting at...Assad and Saddam both used missiles against their own people with chemical laden artillery and bombs The fact remains that Hitler - contrary to Spicer's initial statement - DID use chemical weapons against his own people during WWII...the fact that his death squads rounded up the victims first before gassing them is irrelevant. Whether you gas someone to death on the battlefield or in a forced labour/extermination camp, you're still guilty of using chemical weapons." No you are not. The glaringly obvious example of this would be USA state executions for the last few decades. Would you say they where a "use of chemical weapons". The germans did not use chemical weapons on the battlefield or on civilian targets during the course of military operations. They used cyanide compounds to later kill prisoners but it is not a chemical weapon. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
so Zyklon B is what exactly?
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"He's just a fucking idiot. This is what happens when people are encouraged to speak first and think later. A competent White House Press Secretary seems too much to ask for in this administration, though. "A competent anything seems too much for these fuckwits. Good job we're not relying on them to sort us out post our brexit lunacy. | |||
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"Hitler did use them to exterminate the concentration camp victims but not on the battlefield which is what Spicer was getting at...Assad and Saddam both used missiles against their own people with chemical laden artillery and bombs The fact remains that Hitler - contrary to Spicer's initial statement - DID use chemical weapons against his own people during WWII...the fact that his death squads rounded up the victims first before gassing them is irrelevant. Whether you gas someone to death on the battlefield or in a forced labour/extermination camp, you're still guilty of using chemical weapons. No you are not. The glaringly obvious example of this would be USA state executions for the last few decades. Would you say they where a "use of chemical weapons". The germans did not use chemical weapons on the battlefield or on civilian targets during the course of military operations. They used cyanide compounds to later kill prisoners but it is not a chemical weapon. " They used gas in ww1 during battle | |||
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"Hitler did use them to exterminate the concentration camp victims but not on the battlefield which is what Spicer was getting at...Assad and Saddam both used missiles against their own people with chemical laden artillery and bombs The fact remains that Hitler - contrary to Spicer's initial statement - DID use chemical weapons against his own people during WWII...the fact that his death squads rounded up the victims first before gassing them is irrelevant. Whether you gas someone to death on the battlefield or in a forced labour/extermination camp, you're still guilty of using chemical weapons. No you are not. The glaringly obvious example of this would be USA state executions for the last few decades. Would you say they where a "use of chemical weapons". The germans did not use chemical weapons on the battlefield or on civilian targets during the course of military operations. They used cyanide compounds to later kill prisoners but it is not a chemical weapon. They used gas in ww1 during battle" You realise hitler was not in charge of the german armed forces/nation in ww1 right? I honestly cant see why youd bring up ww1 in a discusion about hitlers use of chemical weapons. Or is this just one of those internet "look at me i know things" posts? | |||
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"Are we really discussing that Hitler might have been a decent guy who had a few "whacky" moments? When the truth is the man was an evil power hungry psychopath who was going to do anything it took to get his way" No, no one is discusing that. Some people are trying to make it appear that way in order to divert the discussion. I suppose this whole situation can be summed up with the thought have you ever said or typed "even hitler didn't....." in order to show how bad you thought something was | |||
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"I'm still waiting to hear from the pro Syria bombers where we should send the 59 cruise missiles into the USA for their anthrax attack? Langley? US air force bases?. Whats the best way to stop the us from replicating this biological attack? It seems to me like your all moral and gung ho when youve got your media based enemy but slightly quiet when your confronted with your own enemy? " I would never describe the US as an enemy of the UK | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
what he actually said was ... and i quote .... "i think when you come to sarin gas, there was no ... he was not using the gas on his own people in the same way"
.... which is kind of true because hitler used zyklon b on his own people rather than sarin
To be fair, we are rather making a mountain out of a molehill and missing the actual point which is a complete bastard is routinely gassing his own people. But we are caught up in a Pavlovian response because someone mentioned Hitler and the world feels that it must respond along the socially acceptable norm despite how utterly irrelevant the response is.
to be fair, nobody yet knows who is responsible for the recent gas attack .... sort of like when iraq got fingered for "definately" having enormous stockpiles of chemical weapons lying around everywhere ... sean spicer would do well to remember that before gobbing off in public
I think the fact that people have denied it does not really mean they are not responsible.
Unless someone witnesses a scene from beginning to end, no one can ever be 100% sure who does anything. But look at means, motive and opportunity.
Syria had the means, motive and opportinity.
The rebels don't have any aircraft so how can they drop bombs from aircraft?"So there is an International ban on the USE of chemical weapons, do you honestly believes Russia, China, USA, US, et all do not possess chemical weapons? If its stored it can be stolen. Atm there is no concrete evidence to say either way whether a Sarin bomb was dropped or whether a conventional bomb was dropped on a stolen munitions dump. Please explain why when he is winning the war against the rebels he would choose to drop this weapon. What we do have though are military people saying if a Satin bomb was dropped they would have expected more casualties. However if a Satin weapon was bombed most of it would be destroyed in the explosion. But no one is investigating because that outcome doesn't fit the agenda.. S | |||
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He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
so Zyklon B is what exactly?
A widespread commercial pesticide.
Had he used the exhaust from the camp generators to asphixiate them would you be defining petrol engines as a chemical weapon?
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He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
so Zyklon B is what exactly?
A widespread commercial pesticide.
Had he used the exhaust from the camp generators to asphixiate them would you be defining petrol engines as a chemical weapon?
If used as a weapon yes.
Chlorine is a chemical weapons when used to kill people but it is also a useful tool for cleaning. "It really isnt. I mean only a lunatic would try to clean something with chlorine gas. Hmm maybe purging some kind of particle media but i doubt it. Bur yeah again its a differnt war crime and hitler never used chemical weapons in combat unlike assad | |||
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"And maybe if Europe had rallied behind Hitler instead of declaring war on him, we wouldn't be overrun with lefties and political correctness today." You do realise that 'had Europe rallied behind Hitler' amongst the tens of thousands of Europeans that would have been dragged off to extermination camps would have been your partner for openly admitting to bisexuality and you would probably gone too for sexual deviency. So would I and just about every other member of this site. Try engaging your brain before coming out with such stupid statements. | |||
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"ummmmmm didn't use chemical weapons. What is Zyclon B then. Shower Gel ?" Again pesticide. And not used in the battlefield. Which is where assad used it | |||
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He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
so Zyklon B is what exactly?
A widespread commercial pesticide.
Had he used the exhaust from the camp generators to asphixiate them would you be defining petrol engines as a chemical weapon?
If used as a weapon yes.
Chlorine is a chemical weapons when used to kill people but it is also a useful tool for cleaning.
It really isnt. I mean only a lunatic would try to clean something with chlorine gas.
Hmm maybe purging some kind of particle media but i doubt it.
Bur yeah again its a differnt war crime and hitler never used chemical weapons in combat unlike assad"You don't go swimming then? Swimming pool water contains chlorine. | |||
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He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
so Zyklon B is what exactly?
A widespread commercial pesticide.
Had he used the exhaust from the camp generators to asphixiate them would you be defining petrol engines as a chemical weapon?
"they tried vehicle exhaust fume but not effective enough for their plans.. yes it is and it was used to gas people as you well know.. pedantic much? | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
so Zyklon B is what exactly?
A widespread commercial pesticide.
Had he used the exhaust from the camp generators to asphixiate them would you be defining petrol engines as a chemical weapon?
they tried vehicle exhaust fume but not effective enough for their plans..
yes it is and it was used to gas people as you well know..
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"Maybe if Europe had rallied behind Hitler instead of declaring war on him, we wouldn't be overrun with lefties and political correctness today." Because having to abide by 'Political Correctness' and treat people like me - disabled and LGBT - as ordinary HUMAN BEINGS is such an awful violation of your 'Human Right' to be an abusive prick! I must apologise to MoorLand2... SuperKinkyCouple wins the 'Donald Trump Award' for 'Most Bone-Headed Statement of the Year' | |||
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"Maybe if Europe had rallied behind Hitler instead of declaring war on him, we wouldn't be overrun with lefties and political correctness today. Because having to abide by 'Political Correctness' and treat people like me - disabled and LGBT - as ordinary HUMAN BEINGS is such an awful violation of your 'Human Right' to be an abusive prick! I must apologise to MoorLand2... SuperKinkyCouple wins the 'Donald Trump Award' for 'Most Bone-Headed Statement of the Year'" . I like that way your complaining about poor human behaviour while abusing people. | |||
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"Maybe if Europe had rallied behind Hitler instead of declaring war on him, we wouldn't be overrun with lefties and political correctness today. Because having to abide by 'Political Correctness' and treat people like me - disabled and LGBT - as ordinary HUMAN BEINGS is such an awful violation of your 'Human Right' to be an abusive prick! I must apologise to MoorLand2... SuperKinkyCouple wins the 'Donald Trump Award' for 'Most Bone-Headed Statement of the Year'. I like that way your complaining about poor human behaviour while abusing people. "Do you think that calling someone a prick is on the same level as genocide? | |||
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"I like that way your complaining about poor human behaviour while abusing people. "
I fail to see how I'm 'abusing' them...not least because their comment implied that it would have been better for Europe to be controlled by a man who would have ordered people like me to be killed...if not initially forcibly sterilised and/or experimented on in a laboratory... | |||
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"Wow so much bigotry here towards Hitler. Can't we just respect other people's views and opinions when they differ from our own? And if we're bringing up alleged war-crimes, how about the firebombing of Dresden carried out by the Allies? An industrial scale massacre of civilians. Or the mass allied sexual assault and (R-word!) of hundreds of thousands of German women at the end of the war? And maybe if Europe had rallied behind Hitler instead of declaring war on him, we wouldn't be overrun with lefties and political correctness today. you actually expect that your views on Hitler be shown 'respect'..? Dresden came after Coventry which similarly was an orchestrated and meticulous attack on civilians.. neither were justified but one can see why the latter ones in Germany took place.. your view on Hitler is vile and says much about you, he was a mass murderer long before the war with us started.. " . Actually thats not quite true, Hitler didnt bomb cities perse and he pretty much left the Luftwaffe to tactics. Churchill goaded Hitler into a rage by bombing Berlin for weeks which Hitler took quite personally, he actually moved from his mountain side house to Berlin to be with his people while the raids were flown, he finally snapped and ordered the Luftwaffe to retaliation of London which the Luftwaffe had already warned him that this was Churchills plan all along because the Luftwaffe were within weeks of completely destroying the UKs early warning radar stations and airfields, thus giving them the aerial domination they wanted for a blitzkrieg invasion of the UK. Bomber Harris had not been so eager to bomb Berlin because the RAF were losing planes hand over fist for not a lot of actual military advantage. However the tactic worked, Hitler ordered the Luftwaffe that every bombing of a German city would be met with twice the ferocity on the UK and this allowed the UK time to rebuild all their radar and runways. | |||
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"Maybe if Europe had rallied behind Hitler instead of declaring war on him, we wouldn't be overrun with lefties and political correctness today. Because having to abide by 'Political Correctness' and treat people like me - disabled and LGBT - as ordinary HUMAN BEINGS is such an awful violation of your 'Human Right' to be an abusive prick! I must apologise to MoorLand2... SuperKinkyCouple wins the 'Donald Trump Award' for 'Most Bone-Headed Statement of the Year'. I like that way your complaining about poor human behaviour while abusing people.
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I fail to see how I'm 'abusing' them...not least because their comment implied that it would have been better for Europe to be controlled by a man who would have ordered people like me to be killed...if not initially forcibly sterilised and/or experimented on in a laboratory...". If you cant see a problem with your language then carry on?  | |||
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I fail to see how I'm 'abusing' them...not least because their comment implied that it would have been better for Europe to be controlled by a man who would have ordered people like me to be killed...if not initially forcibly sterilised and/or experimented on in a laboratory....
If you cant see a problem with your language then carry on? "Ah yes...tone policing...the last refuge of someone who knows that they don't have an actual argument. If you think that 'prick' is too strong a word to use in reference to someone who feels that they would be better off living in a society where people like me are treated as sub-human, then I'm not going to waste any more of my valuable time on you. | |||
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I fail to see how I'm 'abusing' them...not least because their comment implied that it would have been better for Europe to be controlled by a man who would have ordered people like me to be killed...if not initially forcibly sterilised and/or experimented on in a laboratory....
If you cant see a problem with your language then carry on?
Ah yes...tone policing...the last refuge of someone who knows that they don't have an actual argument.
If you think that 'prick' is too strong a word to use in reference to someone who feels that they would be better off living in a society where people like me are treated as sub-human, then I'm not going to waste any more of my valuable time on you.". You just have | |||
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I fail to see how I'm 'abusing' them...not least because their comment implied that it would have been better for Europe to be controlled by a man who would have ordered people like me to be killed...if not initially forcibly sterilised and/or experimented on in a laboratory....
If you cant see a problem with your language then carry on? "To be fair you are raising the bar in sanctimonious hypocrisy. | |||
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I fail to see how I'm 'abusing' them...not least because their comment implied that it would have been better for Europe to be controlled by a man who would have ordered people like me to be killed...if not initially forcibly sterilised and/or experimented on in a laboratory....
If you cant see a problem with your language then carry on?
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"What I have learnt from this thread. Bad people do bad thing- thats bad. Good people do bad things-thats good. Some one connected to someone people don't don't like due to an irrational fear expresses an opinion someone bad now is more bad than someone bad over 70 years ago- he is pure evil. This thread is comedy gold " | |||
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"This thread is comedy gold "Oh yeah...really fucking funny when someone suggests that Nazi-controlled Europe would have been a good thing, or dismisses mass genocide as simply a case of 'going too far'... | |||
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Oh yeah...really fucking funny when someone suggests that Nazi-controlled Europe would have been a good thing, or dismisses mass genocide as simply a case of 'going too far'...
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Oh yeah...really fucking funny when someone suggests that Nazi-controlled Europe would have been a good thing, or dismisses mass genocide as simply a case of 'going too far'...
I wouldn't worry about it too much, It is hardly a new story when someone attempts to be "controversial"/funny and ends up looking like an obnoxious cunt. " | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
so Zyklon B is what exactly?
A widespread commercial pesticide.
Had he used the exhaust from the camp generators to asphixiate them would you be defining petrol engines as a chemical weapon?
If used as a weapon yes.
Chlorine is a chemical weapons when used to kill people but it is also a useful tool for cleaning.
It really isnt. I mean only a lunatic would try to clean something with chlorine gas.
Hmm maybe purging some kind of particle media but i doubt it.
Bur yeah again its a differnt war crime and hitler never used chemical weapons in combat unlike assad
You don't go swimming then? Swimming pool water contains chlorine."Not chlorine gas it doesn't. Next you'll be telling us table salt is a weapon as its 50% poision gas and 50% metal that burns on contact with water | |||
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Oh yeah...really fucking funny when someone suggests that Nazi-controlled Europe would have been a good thing, or dismisses mass genocide as simply a case of 'going too far'...
I wouldn't worry about it too much, It is hardly a new story when someone attempts to be "controversial"/funny and ends up looking like an obnoxious cunt. "Got to be it to see it | |||
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Oh yeah...really fucking funny when someone suggests that Nazi-controlled Europe would have been a good thing, or dismisses mass genocide as simply a case of 'going too far'...
I wouldn't worry about it too much, It is hardly a new story when someone attempts to be "controversial"/funny and ends up looking like an obnoxious cunt.
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"Wow so much bigotry here towards Hitler. Can't we just respect other people's views and opinions when they differ from our own? And if we're bringing up alleged war-crimes, how about the firebombing of Dresden carried out by the Allies? An industrial scale massacre of civilians. Or the mass allied sexual assault and (R-word!) of hundreds of thousands of German women at the end of the war? And maybe if Europe had rallied behind Hitler instead of declaring war on him, we wouldn't be overrun with lefties and political correctness " Good god people. I mean, seriously. Two kids in a class have a fight - just because one stabs the dinner lady, doesn't mean that the other is ok to have set fire to the class bunny rabbit. They're both damn atrocities. Hitler was evil. Competent for a long time but evil. Stalin was evil and Britain/France et al were happy to work with him to bring down Nazi controlled Germany. All sides did bad things in the war - civilians were killed by bombs from all sides, we had concentration camps in Britain (though they were detention not death camps) and you know what this means? That *they're all atrocities to be condemned*. The rewriting of history by Allied countries is horrendous and I will pick it out where I can - even the rhetoric used: The Allies vs the Axis of Evil. Seriously. They rewrote the war as a god damn comic strip. But that does not mean that you get to rewrite history yourself, talking down the disgusting acts perpetrated by Nazi Germany during that timeframe. If you normalise the inhumane, you deserve to suffer the consequences of that inhumanity. | |||
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"Wow so much bigotry here towards Hitler. Can't we just respect other people's views and opinions when they differ from our own? And if we're bringing up alleged war-crimes, how about the firebombing of Dresden carried out by the Allies? An industrial scale massacre of civilians. Or the mass allied sexual assault and (R-word!) of hundreds of thousands of German women at the end of the war? And maybe if Europe had rallied behind Hitler instead of declaring war on him, we wouldn't be overrun with lefties and political correctness Good god people. I mean, seriously. Two kids in a class have a fight - just because one stabs the dinner lady, doesn't mean that the other is ok to have set fire to the class bunny rabbit. They're both damn atrocities. Hitler was evil. Competent for a long time but evil. Stalin was evil and Britain/France et al were happy to work with him to bring down Nazi controlled Germany. All sides did bad things in the war - civilians were killed by bombs from all sides, we had concentration camps in Britain (though they were detention not death camps) and you know what this means? That *they're all atrocities to be condemned*. The rewriting of history by Allied countries is horrendous and I will pick it out where I can - even the rhetoric used: The Allies vs the Axis of Evil. Seriously. They rewrote the war as a god damn comic strip. But that does not mean that you get to rewrite history yourself, talking down the disgusting acts perpetrated by Nazi Germany during that timeframe. If you normalise the inhumane, you deserve to suffer the consequences of that inhumanity." Extremely well put..... | |||
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"Wow so much bigotry here towards Hitler. Can't we just respect other people's views and opinions when they differ from our own? And if we're bringing up alleged war-crimes, how about the firebombing of Dresden carried out by the Allies? An industrial scale massacre of civilians. Or the mass allied sexual assault and (R-word!) of hundreds of thousands of German women at the end of the war? And maybe if Europe had rallied behind Hitler instead of declaring war on him, we wouldn't be overrun with lefties and political correctness Good god people. I mean, seriously. Two kids in a class have a fight - just because one stabs the dinner lady, doesn't mean that the other is ok to have set fire to the class bunny rabbit. They're both damn atrocities. Hitler was evil. Competent for a long time but evil. Stalin was evil and Britain/France et al were happy to work with him to bring down Nazi controlled Germany. All sides did bad things in the war - civilians were killed by bombs from all sides, we had concentration camps in Britain (though they were detention not death camps) and you know what this means? That *they're all atrocities to be condemned*. The rewriting of history by Allied countries is horrendous and I will pick it out where I can - even the rhetoric used: The Allies vs the Axis of Evil. Seriously. They rewrote the war as a god damn comic strip. But that does not mean that you get to rewrite history yourself, talking down the disgusting acts perpetrated by Nazi Germany during that timeframe. If you normalise the inhumane, you deserve to suffer the consequences of that inhumanity." Well said. A more polite slant on my 'comedy gold' assertion | |||
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"If you go back to the old days like say the English civil war 95% of casualties were military and 5% civilian," Sorry, but that's complete BULLSHIT According to Encyclopaedica Britannica, the number of COMBATANTS killed in the Wars of the Three Kingdoms was approximately 85,000, while the number of NONCOMBATANTS killed was 127,000, including around 40,000 'civilians.' In other words, COMBATANT casualties accounted for only FORTY PERCENT of the total, while CIVILIANS accounted for THIRTY ONE PERCENT of all NONCOMBATANT casualties, and NINETEEN PERCENT of the total. | |||
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"If you normalise the inhumane, you deserve to suffer the consequences of that inhumanity." Precisely. Highlighting atrocities committed by the Allied powers DOES NOT constitute an argument in favour of the assertion that Hitler 'wasn't that bad.' The problem is that when you portray your enemy as 'pure evil,' any and all actions committed by your own troops become excusable. For example, the US Government under President Bush portrayed Al Qaeda as 'the ultimate evil,' and used that to justify employing methods of torture - ahem, I'm sorry, 'enhanced interrogation' - which had been outlawed under British law since the 1970s... | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
so Zyklon B is what exactly?
A widespread commercial pesticide.
Had he used the exhaust from the camp generators to asphixiate them would you be defining petrol engines as a chemical weapon?
If used as a weapon yes.
Chlorine is a chemical weapons when used to kill people but it is also a useful tool for cleaning.
It really isnt. I mean only a lunatic would try to clean something with chlorine gas.
Hmm maybe purging some kind of particle media but i doubt it.
Bur yeah again its a differnt war crime and hitler never used chemical weapons in combat unlike assad
You don't go swimming then? Swimming pool water contains chlorine.
Not chlorine gas it doesn't.
Next you'll be telling us table salt is a weapon as its 50% poision gas and 50% metal that burns on contact with water"You are just wilfully talking nonsense and ignoring most of what is being said so you can isolate an element of it and have something to snipe at. | |||
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"If you go back to the old days like say the English civil war 95% of casualties were military and 5% civilian, Sorry, but that's complete BULLSHIT According to Encyclopaedica Britannica, the number of COMBATANTS killed in the Wars of the Three Kingdoms was approximately 85,000, while the number of NONCOMBATANTS killed was 127,000, including around 40,000 'civilians.' In other words, COMBATANT casualties accounted for only FORTY PERCENT of the total, while CIVILIANS accounted for THIRTY ONE PERCENT of all NONCOMBATANT casualties, and NINETEEN PERCENT of the total." . You do get over excited with all the capitals, try and calm down and read what the actual post was about! The figures are obviously complete made up off the top of my head, thats why there all round numbers .
The post was actually about the growing increase in civilian casualties during war, they were made up off the top of my head to give an idea into what i was talking about, I obviously dont have time to look up exact figures of deaths in specific wars for the purposes of a post on a flipping sex site | |||
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"You do get over excited with all the capitals, try and calm down and read what the actual post was about! The figures are obviously complete made up off the top of my head, thats why there all round numbers .
The post was actually about the growing increase in civilian casualties during war, they were made up off the top of my head to give an idea into what i was talking about, I obviously dont have time to look up exact figures of deaths in specific wars for the purposes of a post on a flipping sex site "Right, first off, you do realise, of course, that there is a CONVENTION in writing regarding the use of BOLD TEXT for EMPHASIS? I was using BOLD TEXT to draw attention to SPECIFIC words, not writing the whole post in BOLD TEXT... In light of which, would you have complained if I'd used italic script instead? Second, you've just managed to completely invalidate your whole argument, because you've just admitted that you based your assertion on statistical data that you MADE UP. IN OTHER WORDS, you began with the ASSUMPTION that the mechanisation of Warfare has led to a proportionate INCREASE in civilian casualties, then MADE UP a set of statistics which conformed to your ASSUMED hypothesis, and presented said statistics as PROOF. Tell me...does the phrase 'Circular Reasoning' mean anything to you? | |||
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"Sick-Boy...this is what you have effectively done: 1. ASSUMED that the mechanisation of Warfare has led to a proportionate INCREASE in civilian casualties. 2. ASSUMED that the data - which you can't be bothered to check yourself - supports this hypothesis. 3. MADE UP a set of bogus stats which CONFORM to your hypothesis, without ANY evidence that such stats may be said to stand as an accurate approximation of the genuine figures. 4. PRESENTED your bogus stats as proof of your ASSUMED hypothesis, and claimed that the latter is therefore correct." . No your assuming, just because i cant quite them word for word doesn't mean its not true!. Why dont you go look up the statistical analysis of civilian deaths in later wars compared to early wars and then come back to me?. Ill tell you where i got the idea from years ago. John pilger,the war you dont see, its an age old documentary that he did for itv but very good. Pilger is a journalist of the highest integrity whos covered wars from Asia to south America, now that was his whole hypothesis and as i can recall from those many years ago his stats held true, if you find out different Id be more than happy to be corrected! | |||
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" Tell me...does the phrase 'Circular Reasoning' mean anything to you? ". No it doesnt, is it some sort of bombing in the swimming pool?. Is that why your overly concerned? Try a ladies night if so, you get far less bombing | |||
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" Tell me...does the phrase 'Circular Reasoning' mean anything to you? .
No it doesnt, is it some sort of bombing in the swimming pool?.
Is that why your overly concerned?
Try a ladies night if so, you get far less bombing" | |||
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" Tell me...does the phrase 'Circular Reasoning' mean anything to you? .
No it doesnt, is it some sort of bombing in the swimming pool?.
Is that why your overly concerned?
Try a ladies night if so, you get far less bombing"I thought he wanted to rim you  | |||
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No it doesnt, is it some sort of bombing in the swimming pool?.
Is that why your overly concerned?
Try a ladies night if so, you get far less bombing
I thought he wanted to rim you ". I should be so lucky lucky lucky i should be so lucky in love | |||
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"That was Pilger's whole hypothesis and as i can recall from those many years ago his stats held true, if you find out different Id be more than happy to be corrected!" Actually, Pilger's documentary was concerned with the manner in which the MEDIA, in it's reporting on the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Israel/Palestine conflict, has repeatedly MINIMISED the extent of civilian casualties, or IGNORED civilian casualties altogether. I'd also like to ask one thing: if, as you claim, 'Pilger's stats hold true' when subjected to scrutiny...why not use HIS stats - which should be readily available - rather than PULLING DATA OUT OF YOUR ARSE? | |||
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"I'm sorry to say a stuffed bra, a beard overweight hairy belly is not glamouris on any female, them Thai ladies do a mean deal on threading. You should try it, it would look a lot more convincing " Objection m'lud! What is the relevance of that statement? | |||
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"I'm sorry to say a stuffed bra, a beard overweight hairy belly is not glamouris on any female, them Thai ladies do a mean deal on threading. You should try it, it would look a lot more convincing Objection m'lud! What is the relevance of that statement?" fair play | |||
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"Why dont you go look up the statistical analysis of civilian deaths in later wars compared to early wars and then come back to me?" Right then: English Civil Wars/War of the Three Kingdoms: Approximate Combatant Casualties - 84,000 Approximate Non-Combatant Casualties - 127,000, of which 40,000 classed as Civilians Civilian Casualties - 19% WW1 Estimated Military Casualties - 8 Million, exclusive of POWs and those killed by disease Estimated Civilian Casualties - 6.5 Million, exclusive of deaths caused by War Privations and Pandemic Disease Civilian Casualties - 45% WW2 Approximate Military Deaths from all Causes - 21 to 25.5 Million, including Partisans Approximate Civilian Deaths - 48 to 59.5 Million, including victims of CAH, war-related famine and disease. Civilian Casualties - low estimate 69.5% high estimate 70% As we can see, the available statistics do indeed support your hypothesis that the industrialisation of warfare has led to an increased proportion of civilian casualties. However, that does not change the fact that your made-up stats vastly misrepresent the true proportion of civilian casualties in each of the above cases, and often vastly UNDERESTIMATE the scale of civilian deaths. It also does not change the fact that, rather than examine the available data, as I just did, to see if it truly supported your hypothesis, you simply made up a set of statistics that conformed to it, and asked the rest of us to do the legwork for you. | |||
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"Why dont you go look up the statistical analysis of civilian deaths in later wars compared to early wars and then come back to me? Right then: English Civil Wars/War of the Three Kingdoms: Approximate Combatant Casualties - 84,000 Approximate Non-Combatant Casualties - 127,000, of which 40,000 classed as Civilians Civilian Casualties - 19% WW1 Estimated Military Casualties - 8 Million, exclusive of POWs and those killed by disease Estimated Civilian Casualties - 6.5 Million, exclusive of deaths caused by War Privations and Pandemic Disease Civilian Casualties - 45% WW2 Approximate Military Deaths from all Causes - 21 to 25.5 Million, including Partisans Approximate Civilian Deaths - 48 to 59.5 Million, including victims of CAH, war-related famine and disease. Civilian Casualties - low estimate 69.5% high estimate 70% As we can see, the available statistics do indeed support your hypothesis that the industrialisation of warfare has led to an increased proportion of civilian casualties. However, that does not change the fact that your made-up stats vastly misrepresent the true proportion of civilian casualties in each of the above cases, and often vastly UNDERESTIMATE the scale of civilian deaths. It also does not change the fact that, rather than examine the available data, as I just did, to see if it truly supported your hypothesis, you simply made up a set of statistics that conformed to it, and asked the rest of us to do the legwork for you. " Dear Lord thats the most appalling stats dump ive seen ina while. Youve got 3 completley incomparable %'s because they are 3 totally differnt measured categories. One includes disease one doesnt one has zero references one includes famine the others dont etc. They cannot be used to compare at all. | |||
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"You do get over excited with all the capitals, try and calm down and read what the actual post was about! The figures are obviously complete made up off the top of my head, thats why there all round numbers .
The post was actually about the growing increase in civilian casualties during war, they were made up off the top of my head to give an idea into what i was talking about, I obviously dont have time to look up exact figures of deaths in specific wars for the purposes of a post on a flipping sex site
Right, first off, you do realise, of course, that there is a CONVENTION in writing regarding the use of BOLD TEXT for EMPHASIS? I was using BOLD TEXT to draw attention to SPECIFIC words, not writing the whole post in BOLD TEXT...
In light of which, would you have complained if I'd used italic script instead?
Second, you've just managed to completely invalidate your whole argument, because you've just admitted that you based your assertion on statistical data that you MADE UP.
IN OTHER WORDS, you began with the ASSUMPTION that the mechanisation of Warfare has led to a proportionate INCREASE in civilian casualties, then MADE UP a set of statistics which conformed to your ASSUMED hypothesis, and presented said statistics as PROOF.
Tell me...does the phrase 'Circular Reasoning' mean anything to you?
"You are aware you have not used BOLD TEXT but CAPITAL FUCKING LETTERS? Right? RIGHT? Which are well known to be a pain in the was to read and ignored. Also if you need to use caps to empashise your point you really should learn to communicate better. This crutch of near random calitalisations makes it worse not better. | |||
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"I know this will considered boring and be ignored by people who just want to vent their spleen rather than take time to listen or read stories thoroughly, but what he actually said was that even Hitler wasn't that bad thus saying Assad was even Eviler. But why let the mere truth get in the way of a good story?
He was factually wrong also it's a strange comparison to make, the actions of Assad as they stand in the current conflict are most likely war crimes several times over..
That was his point wssnt it?
That even hiter (as evil as he was) didn't use chemical weapons during the war.
Hence assad is "worse" than hitler in that one respect
so Zyklon B is what exactly?
A widespread commercial pesticide.
Had he used the exhaust from the camp generators to asphixiate them would you be defining petrol engines as a chemical weapon?
If used as a weapon yes.
Chlorine is a chemical weapons when used to kill people but it is also a useful tool for cleaning.
It really isnt. I mean only a lunatic would try to clean something with chlorine gas.
Hmm maybe purging some kind of particle media but i doubt it.
Bur yeah again its a differnt war crime and hitler never used chemical weapons in combat unlike assad
You don't go swimming then? Swimming pool water contains chlorine.
Not chlorine gas it doesn't.
Next you'll be telling us table salt is a weapon as its 50% poision gas and 50% metal that burns on contact with water
You are just wilfully talking nonsense and ignoring most of what is being said so you can isolate an element of it and have something to snipe at.
"Nope my whole point what he said effectivly "even hitler didn't use chemical weapons" Every normal person would understand that to be battlefeild useage. Otherwise if we accept your virw that he did then these statements are all also true. The US government routinely kills its citizens with chemical weapons The UK government frequently uses chemical weapons to suppress public protests. Both the US and UK governments use chemical weapons and violence daily on civilians in the street to maintain order. See? It's all a little silly however pedanticaly true. Hitler never filled any shes or bomb casings with gas and dropped them on anyway. In this regard he was correct by stating assad was worae | |||
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"Dear Lord thats the most appalling stats dump ive seen in a while. Youve got 3 completley incomparable %'s because they are 3 totally differnt measured categories. One includes disease one doesnt one has zero references one includes famine the others dont etc. They cannot be used to compare at all." I openly acknowledged that the measured categories were different in each case; something that you FAILED to do in the case of your bogus stats. I would also draw your attention to your final line: "They cannot be used to compare at all." That's PRECISLY what you did with your bogus stats... | |||
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"They come from totally different measured categories, and cannot be used to compare at all" Apologies to Thx118. I meant to say: 'that's precisely what sick-boy did with HIS bogus statistics.' | |||
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"That was Pilger's whole hypothesis and as i can recall from those many years ago his stats held true, if you find out different Id be more than happy to be corrected! Actually, Pilger's documentary was concerned with the manner in which the MEDIA, in it's reporting on the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Israel/Palestine conflict, has repeatedly MINIMISED the extent of civilian casualties, or IGNORED civilian casualties altogether. I'd also like to ask one thing: if, as you claim, 'Pilger's stats hold true' when subjected to scrutiny...why not use HIS stats - which should be readily available - rather than PULLING DATA OUT OF YOUR ARSE?" Your words have sense but please stop using block capitals. It is like reading one of the more cretinous tabloids. We are all capable of reading the words and understanding what is important. Instead of adding to what you are trying to say, it serves to invalidate it by appearing moronic. Your points are good and don't need assistance. | |||
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"That was Pilger's whole hypothesis and as i can recall from those many years ago his stats held true, if you find out different Id be more than happy to be corrected! Actually, Pilger's documentary was concerned with the manner in which the MEDIA, in it's reporting on the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Israel/Palestine conflict, has repeatedly MINIMISED the extent of civilian casualties, or IGNORED civilian casualties altogether. I'd also like to ask one thing: if, as you claim, 'Pilger's stats hold true' when subjected to scrutiny...why not use HIS stats - which should be readily available - rather than PULLING DATA OUT OF YOUR ARSE?" . It was a documentary i watched bloody years and years ago, i remember checking them at the time but frankly i take the word of people like pilger because hes very respected and spent a life time covering war journalism. Like i said the figures were just to emphasise the point i was trying to make about how wars are conducted in modern times. I cant for the life of me understand what your getting so excited about?, Im working the entire weekend so only have a limited time on the site and i try to use it to find a fuck, then i occasionally go on the forums so time is obviously a limiting factor. Like i said you seem to have more time than i, why dont you look to see if pilger was wrong and get back to me if he was?. | |||
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"It was a documentary i watched bloody years and years ago, i remember checking them at the time but frankly i take the word of people like pilger because hes very respected and spent a life time covering war journalism. Im working the entire weekend so only have a limited time on the site and i try to use it to find a fuck, then i occasionally go on the forums so time is obviously a limiting factor. Like i said you seem to have more time than i, why dont you look to see if pilger was wrong and get back to me if he was?. " Point one: if you're going to use a source that you last saw 'years and years ago,' I would advise you to make sure you are representing/paraphrasing it accurately...especially if, as you say, the source is regarded as a respected authority. Point two: it is your responsibility, not that of your readers, to check your sources for their validity, and to ascertain whether they are making the claims which you intend to ascribe to them. Point three: if Pilger did indeed provide statistics to illustrate your claims re. civilian casualties, use those. If you don't have time to look up the exact stats, tell us where we can find them; don't make up your own off the cuff. | |||
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"Unemployment was slashed by his public works programmes, eg motorways, bridges, ports. Look at the statistics. Germany went from recession to booming in just a few years. War wasn't declared by Germany it was Britain and France. These are facts. No one is denying any of that. It doesn't mean that gassing your population doesn't make you a total cunt. Let's also remember that you had to be a certain type of person otherwise you were taken into slavery and often murdered if you were no more use. No one is denying Hitler was an effective leader of his country, but he also did some quite uniquely awful things to millions of innocent people. The fact he built infrastructure does not diminish the effect of the atrocities he committed. " No it doesn't but it's like anything take out the good elements leave the bad ones well alone and maybe it might help us ? Also some of the horrible things carried out by his henchmen were the most sought after information by all of the allies ? Who all wanted to gain by the learnings of doctors ? In the camps ? And how many lives could have been saved by the information gathered by experiments that would never have been allowed ? | |||
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"Who all wanted to gain by the learnings of doctors in the camps? And how many lives could have been saved by the information gathered by experiments that would never have been allowed ? " Ah yes, the old 'the ends justify the means' canard... Let's see.. Men like Mengele experimented on people who had been falsely imprisoned, stripped of their citizenship, classified by the government as 'subhuman', and deprived of even the most basic rights. The 'learnings' of which you speak included forced sterilisation, vivisection, experimentation with neurotoxins and poisons, starvation, transplants without anaesthetic, and induced trauma. Regardless of any 'good' which we may have gleaned from Nazi experimentation - the Apollo space program, for instance, had it's roots in the V1 and V2 weapons systems - the means by which such knowledge was gained CANNOT be excused or justified in any way, shape or form. | |||
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"I must say, I'm rather glad this thread is over
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