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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Nicola Sturgeon is the only domestic politician with a positive approval rating in Scotland.

Do not believe the pish coming fromt he British media that Ruth Davidson is the most popular.

The poll the British media wanted everyone to see that said Ruth was more popular than Nicola was alot of shite as that poll never ever asked who people thought was more popular the questions that were asked was do they think Ruth is doing a good job as Scottish Tory leader and the other one was do they think Nicola is doing a good job as FM. Now everyone can see how the British media are trying so damn hard to twist the truth.

Its abit hard for people that believe polls to then come out and say this poll about Nicola having the only positive rating is lying.

Also the new Ashcroft poll says the majority of Scots think the UK is fucked with brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is common sense :P if nicola wasnt a good FM then the SNP would not have blitzed scotland or there would be calls for her to step down.

Thats not the case.

And on sky news for example - on their public interviews on brext a lot of people in scotland often ecco to some extent NS's views. And thidms is a media outlet which was a bit more 'pro brexit'.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Trouble is with polls is they are open to interpretation Op..

Maybe the ashcroft poll is pish and the sturgeon - Davidson poll isn't..?

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Trouble is with polls is they are open to interpretation Op..

Maybe the ashcroft poll is pish and the sturgeon - Davidson poll isn't..?

"

Trouble is like i said the poll that the British media love quoting saying Ruth Davidson is more popular than Nicola Sturgeon is all lies.

The questions that were asked in that poll was do people think Ruth Davidson is doing a good job as Scottish Tory leader and the other question was do people think Nicola is doing a good job as FM.

The British media have twisted it to make it look like Ruth is more popular problem for them is that was never asked in the poll

Yeah your right every poll open to interpretation but see the other problem is pro union supporters love to quote the polls that say the majority in Scotland dont want an independence referendum yet when you get a poll saying its 50% /50% on wanting an independence then they say its not true its hard to take them serious then.

Yeah there is probably polls out there and say no independence but there is polls that say yes to independence also and the only true way of knowing is by allowing another referendum which the Tories seem shite feart to give Scotland

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I don't think sturgeon wants one now or in the near future. She's just playing politics knowing that May with brexit was more likely to say no at this time..

One thing I have gathered from friends who are Scottish is that the majority are not daft and like anyone else will want to see what the deal is before making a judgement on the question if and when it's ever asked again in the near future ..

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"I don't think sturgeon wants one now or in the near future. She's just playing politics knowing that May with brexit was more likely to say no at this time..

One thing I have gathered from friends who are Scottish is that the majority are not daft and like anyone else will want to see what the deal is before making a judgement on the question if and when it's ever asked again in the near future ..

"
The FM Sturgeon was 1 of the reasons for me moving my dual fuel supplier this week from Scottish Power, after she views those of us from south of imaginary border arrww

The other was the rapid increase in price compared to the price reduction when it was going down

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

What poll is the OP referring to? It would be nice if we could see it for ourselves rather than the OP,s unbiased interpretation. Was it the poll that gave performance ratings, PM got 53.9%, Davidson got 38.1%, and Sturgeon got only 32.4%? Have a look yourself here: http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/04/more-from-my-brexit-research/#more-15143

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"What poll is the OP referring to? It would be nice if we could see it for ourselves rather than the OP,s unbiased interpretation. Was it the poll that gave performance ratings, PM got 53.9%, Davidson got 38.1%, and Sturgeon got only 32.4%? Have a look yourself here: http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/04/more-from-my-brexit-research/#more-15143"

Am not gonna post links in here all i will say the poll was from 21st March - 28th March 2017

Nicola Sturgeon - 53%

Ruth Davidson - 33%

Kezia Dugdale - 20%

So yes Nicola has the best positive rating in Scotland by a mile

Also insteresting to know Theresa May - 35%

Angela Merkel 45%

The samples were Scotland 906 people and UK 10,153

Hope that helps

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Popularity is one thing, competence is quite another.

Someone can be immensely popular and yet be utterly shit at their job.

I think Nicola Sturgeon illustrates that point perfectly.

Constantly banging on about a second independence vote less than 3 years after the last 'once in a lifetime' one instead of getting on with running Scotland and sorting out matters such as Education and Health.

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

A link would have been nice. So your not going to provide sources or post links.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Popularity is one thing, competence is quite another.

Someone can be immensely popular and yet be utterly shit at their job.

I think Nicola Sturgeon illustrates that point perfectly.

Constantly banging on about a second independence vote less than 3 years after the last 'once in a lifetime' one instead of getting on with running Scotland and sorting out matters such as Education and Health."

I know your down in England but you should see the pro union parties leaflets for the council elections as their mean goal is to stop an independence referendum and nothing on what they would do to help local council areas out. The media have you hoodwinked as its the pro union parties that are non stop talking about independence all the Scottish government are doing is making sure Scotland remain vote is respected.

Scottish education and health has the best record in the UK not bad for a government that gets set a budget to work with from the UK treasury.

I dont blame you for being mis-formed though as the British media are trying ever so hard to twist the truth.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"A link would have been nice. So your not going to provide sources or post links."

No as i keep to within fab rules and i dont want a ban

This is what fab say - '' Don't promote commercial services or websites''

So its upto people to look it up i said when the poll took place and which % they got

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ill be brutally honest with you!

I dont think anybody in England is botherd what NS poll rating is, they really are completely uninterested in it, your trying to make out the media are manipulating an audience that dont give a shit, thats a pretty hard thing to do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill be brutally honest with you!

I dont think anybody in England is botherd what NS poll rating is, they really are completely uninterested in it, your trying to make out the media are manipulating an audience that dont give a shit, thats a pretty hard

thing to do "

You might not know but in Scotland and you support the snp then you have to take the view all media are biased against the snp.

The nats had a rally against the BBC and anything printed that is not to their liking is unionist propaganda.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Ill be brutally honest with you!

I dont think anybody in England is botherd what NS poll rating is, they really are completely uninterested in it, your trying to make out the media are manipulating an audience that dont give a shit, thats a pretty hard thing to do "

Now thats not true as there are English members in the SNP and the SNP do have a branch in England

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Trouble is Ive been on the site and its not there. I doubt youd get a ban for posting to a polling site. I also looked for the poll that you said that it suggested that "the majority of Scots think the UK is fucked with brexit", couldnt find that either. Funny how polls are welcome when they suit your argument yet are rejected when they dont.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Ill be brutally honest with you!

I dont think anybody in England is botherd what NS poll rating is, they really are completely uninterested in it, your trying to make out the media are manipulating an audience that dont give a shit, thats a pretty hard

thing to do

You might not know but in Scotland and you support the snp then you have to take the view all media are biased against the snp.

The nats had a rally against the BBC and anything printed that is not to their liking is unionist propaganda.

"

You only have to look at wee Nick Robertson to prove the BBC are lying remember when he claimed Alex Salmond never answered but infact he did answer it.

the BBC is £147 of bullshit and thats not just Scotland that think s that as there is many people in the UK that think the very same way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So one guy represents the whole of the BBC ???

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Trouble is Ive been on the site and its not there. I doubt youd get a ban for posting to a polling site. I also looked for the poll that you said that it suggested that "the majority of Scots think the UK is fucked with brexit", couldnt find that either. Funny how polls are welcome when they suit your argument yet are rejected when they dont.

"

Am not taking the chance to put up a link i will follow what fab asks.

i do accept their will probably be polls out their that show no support for independence but i do think its funny how pro union supporters love quoting polls that say a majority dont want a independence referendum then when a poll comes out saying 50% /50% or shows support for independence then its not true.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"So one guy represents the whole of the BBC ???"

Nope They are all bullshit liars take the 2001 World trade centre build 7 gets reported it had fallen down yet on BBC live tv you could clearly see it was still standing hell one guy even took them to court over that and won the case.

Like i said £147 of total bullshit form the BBC

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ill be brutally honest with you!

I dont think anybody in England is botherd what NS poll rating is, they really are completely uninterested in it, your trying to make out the media are manipulating an audience that dont give a shit, thats a pretty hard thing to do

Now thats not true as there are English members in the SNP and the SNP do have a branch in England "
.

I travel most days into England, they dont really pay any attention about Welsh politics either, i mean honestly why should they?.

They dont live here and i dont live in Scotland so i dont really care or follow it either.

Weve got BBC Wales here, ive never really considered it to be biased towards England, ive no idea what BBC Scotland is like as ive never seen it.

We have regional news because quite frankly nobody in London gives a toss What's going on in Cornwall and nobody in angelsey really gives a toss whats going on in Cardiff

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Popularity is one thing, competence is quite another.

Someone can be immensely popular and yet be utterly shit at their job.

I think Nicola Sturgeon illustrates that point perfectly.

Constantly banging on about a second independence vote less than 3 years after the last 'once in a lifetime' one instead of getting on with running Scotland and sorting out matters such as Education and Health."

Popular and shit at their job, Jeremy Corbyn springs to mind

Him and Sturgeon should get together they would make a fabulous combination

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Ill be brutally honest with you!

I dont think anybody in England is botherd what NS poll rating is, they really are completely uninterested in it, your trying to make out the media are manipulating an audience that dont give a shit, thats a pretty hard

thing to do

You might not know but in Scotland and you support the snp then you have to take the view all media are biased against the snp.

The nats had a rally against the BBC and anything printed that is not to their liking is unionist propaganda.

You only have to look at wee Nick Robertson to prove the BBC are lying remember when he claimed Alex Salmond never answered but infact he did answer it.

the BBC is £147 of bullshit and thats not just Scotland that think s that as there is many people in the UK that think the very same way.

"

Is that the same Alex salmond who bangs on about Scottish independence but loves a job in London more

A 2 faced twat for sure

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Ill be brutally honest with you!

I dont think anybody in England is botherd what NS poll rating is, they really are completely uninterested in it, your trying to make out the media are manipulating an audience that dont give a shit, thats a pretty hard thing to do

Now thats not true as there are English members in the SNP and the SNP do have a branch in England .

I travel most days into England, they dont really pay any attention about Welsh politics either, i mean honestly why should they?.

They dont live here and i dont live in Scotland so i dont really care or follow it either.

Weve got BBC Wales here, ive never really considered it to be biased towards England, ive no idea what BBC Scotland is like as ive never seen it.

We have regional news because quite frankly nobody in London gives a toss What's going on in Cornwall and nobody in angelsey really gives a toss whats going on in Cardiff"

Don't worry centralis London doesn't give a toss to stoke the gate way to the northwest either, unless of course they need a safe labour seat in the big elections

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Ah i can now see people in England will think Ruth Davidson is more popular than Nicola Sturgeon with the Daily Express quote the Ashcroft poll

Here is the big problem that once again the British media dont seem to get yes in England Ruth is more popular than Nicola but Ruth is only more popular amongst people who can't vote for her. Amongst those who can Nicola is miles ahead and that's all that counts.

In Scotland here is what the polls say

Nicola 53% positive / 43% negative

Ruth Davidson 33% positive / 54% negavite

that is the Scottish people in the poll saying Ruth Davidson is not popular where it really matters.

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Ah i can now see people in England will think Ruth Davidson is more popular than Nicola Sturgeon with the Daily Express quote the Ashcroft poll

Here is the big problem that once again the British media dont seem to get yes in England Ruth is more popular than Nicola but Ruth is only more popular amongst people who can't vote for her. Amongst those who can Nicola is miles ahead and that's all that counts.

In Scotland here is what the polls say

Nicola 53% positive / 43% negative

Ruth Davidson 33% positive / 54% negavite

that is the Scottish people in the poll saying Ruth Davidson is not popular where it really matters.

"

Ruth Davidson certainly Missy Cranky in her place the other week

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ah i can now see people in England will think Ruth Davidson is more popular than Nicola Sturgeon with the Daily Express quote the Ashcroft poll

Here is the big problem that once again the British media dont seem to get yes in England Ruth is more popular than Nicola but Ruth is only more popular amongst people who can't vote for her. Amongst those who can Nicola is miles ahead and that's all that counts.

In Scotland here is what the polls say

Nicola 53% positive / 43% negative

Ruth Davidson 33% positive / 54% negavite

that is the Scottish people in the poll saying Ruth Davidson is not popular where it really matters.

Ruth Davidson certainly Missy Cranky in her place the other week"

That just showed what a nasty disrespectful kind of person she is ,hopefully her and her 1 mp are booted out soon

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Ah i can now see people in England will think Ruth Davidson is more popular than Nicola Sturgeon with the Daily Express quote the Ashcroft poll

Here is the big problem that once again the British media dont seem to get yes in England Ruth is more popular than Nicola but Ruth is only more popular amongst people who can't vote for her. Amongst those who can Nicola is miles ahead and that's all that counts.

In Scotland here is what the polls say

Nicola 53% positive / 43% negative

Ruth Davidson 33% positive / 54% negavite

that is the Scottish people in the poll saying Ruth Davidson is not popular where it really matters.

Ruth Davidson certainly Missy Cranky in her place the other week

That just showed what a nasty disrespectful kind of person she is ,hopefully her and her 1 mp are booted out soon "

I thought it showed someone who is willing to stand up to the self centred, single agenda person that Nichola Sturgeon is.

Just how well is Nichola and her army of MP's doing in creating jobs, growing the economy and ensuring Scottish children have a good education.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Ah i can now see people in England will think Ruth Davidson is more popular than Nicola Sturgeon with the Daily Express quote the Ashcroft poll

Here is the big problem that once again the British media dont seem to get yes in England Ruth is more popular than Nicola but Ruth is only more popular amongst people who can't vote for her. Amongst those who can Nicola is miles ahead and that's all that counts.

In Scotland here is what the polls say

Nicola 53% positive / 43% negative

Ruth Davidson 33% positive / 54% negavite

that is the Scottish people in the poll saying Ruth Davidson is not popular where it really matters.

Ruth Davidson certainly Missy Cranky in her place the other week"

Ruth clearly doesnt know the word respect no wonder she is not popluar in Scotland. Its party before people with Ruth

Ruth fought the EU referendum camp with wanting to remain and even her constituency voted remain yet she will tow the party line and not listen to her constituency.

The people in Scotland can see Ruth Davidson is after a seat in Westminster and also after a fucking coat in the lords before ever putting the people who voted for her first

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Ah i can now see people in England will think Ruth Davidson is more popular than Nicola Sturgeon with the Daily Express quote the Ashcroft poll

Here is the big problem that once again the British media dont seem to get yes in England Ruth is more popular than Nicola but Ruth is only more popular amongst people who can't vote for her. Amongst those who can Nicola is miles ahead and that's all that counts.

In Scotland here is what the polls say

Nicola 53% positive / 43% negative

Ruth Davidson 33% positive / 54% negavite

that is the Scottish people in the poll saying Ruth Davidson is not popular where it really matters.

Ruth Davidson certainly Missy Cranky in her place the other week

Ruth clearly doesnt know the word respect no wonder she is not popluar in Scotland. Its party before people with Ruth

Ruth fought the EU referendum camp with wanting to remain and even her constituency voted remain yet she will tow the party line and not listen to her constituency.

The people in Scotland can see Ruth Davidson is after a seat in Westminster and also after a fucking coat in the lords before ever putting the people who voted for her first "

So how are the SNP creating jobs in Scotland, and what are they doing to the future of Scotland's children. What has she done to tackle poverty in Glasgow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't normally post in this forum as it's a sure way to find people not to agree to meet with due to racial cross border hatred than anything else

However

Opinion polls are just that an opinion by a SELECT group chosen specifically from newspapers printed South of the Border with an agenda against Scottish Nationalists. There are also a number of You Tube ideas highlighting biased reports in the run up to 2014 Indy Ref.

Both Ruth Davidson and Kezia Dugdake represent Westminster based parties with little or no support in Scotland whatsoever and are blinkered into attacking anything the FM has to say regarding anything.

The Scottish National Party is a one trick pony and was set up to campaign for Scottish Independence and has almost succeeded.

The day job as people state is to look out for the best interests of Scotland and the Scottish people, now within the confines of a very limited budget that is precisely what Ms Sturgeon is doing in spite of the back stabbing and bitching from her counterparts who have no chance of beating her at the Polls come voting day.

The SNP are by a landslide the leading party here whether you support them or not and are doing a very good job within the fiscal constraints available, neither Miss Davidson or Dugdale seem able to comprehend that, however they spout whatever bile their bosses in Westminster tell them is the party line.

We in Scotland think differently politically than our Southern neighbours and have a different wordly view on where we stand.

I personally think if there is an Indyref 2 then Scotland should look closer to home i.e. Iceland, The Faroes and the other Nordic regions and join them rather than either Westminster or Brussels

But that is my OPINION same as any other POLL from a biased newspaper

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't normally post in this forum as it's a sure way to find people not to agree to meet with due to racial cross border hatred than anything else

However

Opinion polls are just that an opinion by a SELECT group chosen specifically from newspapers printed South of the Border with an agenda against Scottish Nationalists. There are also a number of You Tube ideas highlighting biased reports in the run up to 2014 Indy Ref.

Both Ruth Davidson and Kezia Dugdake represent Westminster based parties with little or no support in Scotland whatsoever and are blinkered into attacking anything the FM has to say regarding anything.

The Scottish National Party is a one trick pony and was set up to campaign for Scottish Independence and has almost succeeded.

The day job as people state is to look out for the best interests of Scotland and the Scottish people, now within the confines of a very limited budget that is precisely what Ms Sturgeon is doing in spite of the back stabbing and bitching from her counterparts who have no chance of beating her at the Polls come voting day.

The SNP are by a landslide the leading party here whether you support them or not and are doing a very good job within the fiscal constraints available, neither Miss Davidson or Dugdale seem able to comprehend that, however they spout whatever bile their bosses in Westminster tell them is the party line.

We in Scotland think differently politically than our Southern neighbours and have a different wordly view on where we stand.

I personally think if there is an Indyref 2 then Scotland should look closer to home i.e. Iceland, The Faroes and the other Nordic regions and join them rather than either Westminster or Brussels

But that is my OPINION same as any other POLL from a biased newspaper"
.

Im not botherd who you support however

"Look closer to home" since when did the Faroe islands or Iceland become closer than England?.

Also

"Within a confined budget" , shes spending 15 billon more than shes raising and 9 billon of that is a subsidy from the Ruk (office of national statistics).

Im more than happy that the Scots have a different political outlook than England but lets not make shit up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly this where are the SNP going to make up the extra 15 billion they need ?

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Interesting afternoon on the BBC Scotland radio station

Kevin Hague a well known pro union supporter that keeps going on and on about GERS finally admits that the GERS figures does NOT show what a future independent Scotland would look like.

Now if GERS does NOT show how a future

indpendenct Scotland would look then it shows you what Scotland looks like being part of the UK and seen as money is not devolved to Scotland it clearly shows its Westminster governments fucking up.

Maybe just maybe this is why the UK government are not so keen to give Scotland a new independence referendum as everything is so easy to debunk now.

Spain veto on an independent Scotland being in the UK - debunked

Now GERS - debunked and this coming from a pro union supporter finally admitting it doesnt show what an independent Scotland would look like

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"I don't normally post in this forum as it's a sure way to find people not to agree to meet with due to racial cross border hatred than anything else

However

Opinion polls are just that an opinion by a SELECT group chosen specifically from newspapers printed South of the Border with an agenda against Scottish Nationalists. There are also a number of You Tube ideas highlighting biased reports in the run up to 2014 Indy Ref.

Both Ruth Davidson and Kezia Dugdake represent Westminster based parties with little or no support in Scotland whatsoever and are blinkered into attacking anything the FM has to say regarding anything.

The Scottish National Party is a one trick pony and was set up to campaign for Scottish Independence and has almost succeeded.

The day job as people state is to look out for the best interests of Scotland and the Scottish people, now within the confines of a very limited budget that is precisely what Ms Sturgeon is doing in spite of the back stabbing and bitching from her counterparts who have no chance of beating her at the Polls come voting day.

The SNP are by a landslide the leading party here whether you support them or not and are doing a very good job within the fiscal constraints available, neither Miss Davidson or Dugdale seem able to comprehend that, however they spout whatever bile their bosses in Westminster tell them is the party line.

We in Scotland think differently politically than our Southern neighbours and have a different wordly view on where we stand.

I personally think if there is an Indyref 2 then Scotland should look closer to home i.e. Iceland, The Faroes and the other Nordic regions and join them rather than either Westminster or Brussels

But that is my OPINION same as any other POLL from a biased newspaper"

A well balanced approach, but how you can say your closer to Iceland is a bit beyound me, after all aren't you physically linked to England

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"I don't normally post in this forum as it's a sure way to find people not to agree to meet with due to racial cross border hatred than anything else

However

Opinion polls are just that an opinion by a SELECT group chosen specifically from newspapers printed South of the Border with an agenda against Scottish Nationalists. There are also a number of You Tube ideas highlighting biased reports in the run up to 2014 Indy Ref.

Both Ruth Davidson and Kezia Dugdake represent Westminster based parties with little or no support in Scotland whatsoever and are blinkered into attacking anything the FM has to say regarding anything.

The Scottish National Party is a one trick pony and was set up to campaign for Scottish Independence and has almost succeeded.

The day job as people state is to look out for the best interests of Scotland and the Scottish people, now within the confines of a very limited budget that is precisely what Ms Sturgeon is doing in spite of the back stabbing and bitching from her counterparts who have no chance of beating her at the Polls come voting day.

The SNP are by a landslide the leading party here whether you support them or not and are doing a very good job within the fiscal constraints available, neither Miss Davidson or Dugdale seem able to comprehend that, however they spout whatever bile their bosses in Westminster tell them is the party line.

We in Scotland think differently politically than our Southern neighbours and have a different wordly view on where we stand.

I personally think if there is an Indyref 2 then Scotland should look closer to home i.e. Iceland, The Faroes and the other Nordic regions and join them rather than either Westminster or Brussels

But that is my OPINION same as any other POLL from a biased newspaper.

Im not botherd who you support however

"Look closer to home" since when did the Faroe islands or Iceland become closer than England?.

Also

"Within a confined budget" , shes spending 15 billon more than shes raising and 9 billon of that is a subsidy from the Ruk (office of national statistics).

Im more than happy that the Scots have a different political outlook than England but lets not make shit up"

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

No one said GERS described the finances in an independent Scotland, although Salmonds white paper economic case was built on the data from GERS.

I find it ludicrous that in 2014, GERS data was making the case for independence. Now the economy, oil in particular, is not performing as it did and GERS is no longer to be trusted.

If GERS was good enough in 2014, why can't it be trusted now?

What it does show is the situation now, and if independent, what would you need to change.

This is important, what would you change?

Overnight we'd lose the fiscal transfer and this would mean slashed services and massive hikes in tax,and a likely capital flight compounding the problem.

Even Sturgeon excepts the deficit of £15bn, the largest in Europe, even larger than Greece.

This must be addressed and in denying its existence is simply delusional or dishonest. Take your pick!

It's easier to make up lies and deny the figures rather explain the actual situation we are in.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"No one said GERS described the finances in an independent Scotland, although Salmonds white paper economic case was built on the data from GERS.

I find it ludicrous that in 2014, GERS data was making the case for independence. Now the economy, oil in particular, is not performing as it did and GERS is no longer to be trusted.

If GERS was good enough in 2014, why can't it be trusted now?

What it does show is the situation now, and if independent, what would you need to change.

This is important, what would you change?

Overnight we'd lose the fiscal transfer and this would mean slashed services and massive hikes in tax,and a likely capital flight compounding the problem.

Even Sturgeon excepts the deficit of £15bn, the largest in Europe, even larger than Greece.

This must be addressed and in denying its existence is simply delusional or dishonest. Take your pick!

It's easier to make up lies and deny the figures rather explain the actual situation we are in. "

No one you sure not one single person that is a pro union supporter claimed an independent Scotland would be fucked with the £15billion deficit ?

Now the u-turn is happening from pro union supporters claiming they didnt say the GERS figures dont show how an independent Scotland would work it really is embarrassing lol

Kevin Hague went on radio today and cleared it up ''What the GERS figures do tell us is, historically, how do Scotland’s revenue and expenditure figures look as an integral part of the UK nobody suggests that the GERS figures show what a future independent Scotland would look like''

So as part of the UK Scotland is getting shafted by Westminster

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By *aveandSue1Couple
over a year ago

Doncaster


"Popularity is one thing, competence is quite another.

Someone can be immensely popular and yet be utterly shit at their job.

I think Nicola Sturgeon illustrates that point perfectly.

Constantly banging on about a second independence vote less than 3 years after the last 'once in a lifetime' one instead of getting on with running Scotland and sorting out matters such as Education and Health."

Couldn't agree more.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Popularity is one thing, competence is quite another.

Someone can be immensely popular and yet be utterly shit at their job.

I think Nicola Sturgeon illustrates that point perfectly.

Constantly banging on about a second independence vote less than 3 years after the last 'once in a lifetime' one instead of getting on with running Scotland and sorting out matters such as Education and Health.

Couldn't agree more."

The problem is education and the NHS has the best record in the UK Even the BBC had to admit that

Ruth Davidson seems popular in England but what people dont see is she is shite at her job.

Whats funny is Ruth thinks the Tories are coming back in Scotland two things to that 1. the reason is people in Scotland that are pro union have gave up on Labour and 2. Scottish Tories under Ruth Davidson in the Scottish election was 22% Maggie Thatcher was 24% not so popular when you actually look into things.

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Popularity is one thing, competence is quite another.

Someone can be immensely popular and yet be utterly shit at their job.

I think Nicola Sturgeon illustrates that point perfectly.

Constantly banging on about a second independence vote less than 3 years after the last 'once in a lifetime' one instead of getting on with running Scotland and sorting out matters such as Education and Health.

Couldn't agree more.

The problem is education and the NHS has the best record in the UK Even the BBC had to admit that

Ruth Davidson seems popular in England but what people dont see is she is shite at her job.

Whats funny is Ruth thinks the Tories are coming back in Scotland two things to that 1. the reason is people in Scotland that are pro union have gave up on Labour and 2. Scottish Tories under Ruth Davidson in the Scottish election was 22% Maggie Thatcher was 24% not so popular when you actually look into things. "

That makes no sense what so ever...And you still can't produce any facts as to how an independent Scotland can survive, without support from England... truthfully I wish the English could have a vote before Scotland, does, because plenty of us would vote for an independent England free from the whinging Miss Cranky

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Popularity is one thing, competence is quite another.

Someone can be immensely popular and yet be utterly shit at their job.

I think Nicola Sturgeon illustrates that point perfectly.

Constantly banging on about a second independence vote less than 3 years after the last 'once in a lifetime' one instead of getting on with running Scotland and sorting out matters such as Education and Health.

Couldn't agree more.

The problem is education and the NHS has the best record in the UK Even the BBC had to admit that

Ruth Davidson seems popular in England but what people dont see is she is shite at her job.

Whats funny is Ruth thinks the Tories are coming back in Scotland two things to that 1. the reason is people in Scotland that are pro union have gave up on Labour and 2. Scottish Tories under Ruth Davidson in the Scottish election was 22% Maggie Thatcher was 24% not so popular when you actually look into things. "

How can 1 MSP be totally shite but the rest are superb, as they fly the SNP colours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do wonder if KinkyHnS....are really Mr and Mrs Murrell ?............

It is the only reason why they would post so often on such a charisma and competence free politician....But maybe they are into irony...Ah that is it!!

Your just taking the Michael out of your fellow forum posters.....Well feel free i do enjoy your posts..xx

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

"No one you sure not one single person that is a pro union supporter claimed an independent Scotland would be fucked with the £15billion deficit ?"

What does that even mean, what point are trying to make here?

"Now the u-turn is happening from pro union supporters claiming they didnt say the GERS figures dont show how an independent Scotland would work it really is embarrassing lol"

Who said if did? Who were these "pro union" people that made that claim? Why do you persist in lying? The only people that were claiming that GERS showed the how an independent Scotlands economy would be was Alex Salomond as the White Paper was full of references to GERS in it .

"So as part of the UK Scotland is getting shafted by Westminster"

By pooling and sharing and giving it the money to cover its £15bn deficit, and maintain public spending that is higher than every other part of the UK except Northern Ireland.

Once again, if you accept GERS figures, the only conclusion you can come to is that independence would mean that Scotland would need to raise taxes, cut services or a combination of both.

If on the other hand you deny the GERS figure, then you do not have a positive case for independence because you do not have any data to support your case. Ignorance is convenient for you. Its harder to explain the facts of course than simply deny them and not giving answers to basic questions.

#notacult

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"I do wonder if KinkyHnS....are really Mr and Mrs Murrell ?............

It is the only reason why they would post so often on such a charisma and competence free politician....But maybe they are into irony...Ah that is it!!

Your just taking the Michael out of your fellow forum posters.....Well feel free i do enjoy your posts..xx"

Who are the Murrells?..

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Popularity is one thing, competence is quite another.

Someone can be immensely popular and yet be utterly shit at their job.

I think Nicola Sturgeon illustrates that point perfectly.

Constantly banging on about a second independence vote less than 3 years after the last 'once in a lifetime' one instead of getting on with running Scotland and sorting out matters such as Education and Health.

Couldn't agree more.

The problem is education and the NHS has the best record in the UK Even the BBC had to admit that

Ruth Davidson seems popular in England but what people dont see is she is shite at her job.

Whats funny is Ruth thinks the Tories are coming back in Scotland two things to that 1. the reason is people in Scotland that are pro union have gave up on Labour and 2. Scottish Tories under Ruth Davidson in the Scottish election was 22% Maggie Thatcher was 24% not so popular when you actually look into things.

That makes no sense what so ever...And you still can't produce any facts as to how an independent Scotland can survive, without support from England... truthfully I wish the English could have a vote before Scotland, does, because plenty of us would vote for an independent England free from the whinging Miss Cranky "

So it all comes down to the same England subsides Scotland ? If that were true why oh why in 2014 did the 3 union party leader come up to Scotland and stick there noses into a Scottish matter ? Why do you think Westminster is so hell bend on keeping Scotland if we are leeching of England ? The Tories love to cut things yet want to keep a country that is subsides junkies ?

Also from todays car crash radio debate with wee blogger Kevin Hague he admitted that what the GERS figures do tell us is how Scotland’s revenue and expenditure figures look as an integral part of the UK

i.e Westminster governments shafting Scotland.

Also he finally admitted that those GERS figures he loves to go on about do not tell us what a future independent Scotland will look like.

If thats what England wants then you should fight for independence then am all for every country being independent.

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

"So it all comes down to the same England subsides Scotland ? If that were true why oh why in 2014 did the 3 union party leader come up to Scotland and stick there noses into a Scottish matter ? Why do you think Westminster is so hell bend on keeping Scotland if we are leeching of England ? The Tories love to cut things yet want to keep a country that is subsides junkies ?"

No its called pooling and sharing, there are parts of the UK that generate more income than others, dont just think of it in terms of Scotland and England. Some areas of Scotland generates more than some areas of England and vice versa. And the same can be said abour expenditure too. Its about putting it all together so its shared out as fairly as we can to maintain services we deserve.

"Also from todays car crash radio debate with wee blogger Kevin Hague he admitted that what the GERS figures do tell us is how Scotland’s revenue and expenditure figures look as an integral part of the UK"

Let me remind you that Kevin Hague is an individual, not a politician. The real disgrace was that no one from the Scottish Government would appear on the show to support their own figures. And let not forget his opponent, who had nothing to add only obfuscation and fogging the issue was Richard Murphy, the modest man who claims he had "changed the world" and architect of Corbynomics. I,ll provide a link to the shiw here and people, if interested can listen for themselves, as I know you wont.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04zw64y

" Also he finally admitted that those GERS figures he loves to go on about do not tell us what a future independent Scotland will look like."

He has always said that, what he has also consistently said is that is is the starting point, and what is never answered as he and I have asked many times to nationalists is, what would you change in an independent Scotland?

That question is never answered!

Because they revel in doubt, uncertainty and don their tin foil hats screaming that is all a huge Westminster conspiracy.

And its worth noting that the snp government must be in on it!

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


""So it all comes down to the same England subsides Scotland ? If that were true why oh why in 2014 did the 3 union party leader come up to Scotland and stick there noses into a Scottish matter ? Why do you think Westminster is so hell bend on keeping Scotland if we are leeching of England ? The Tories love to cut things yet want to keep a country that is subsides junkies ?"

No its called pooling and sharing, there are parts of the UK that generate more income than others, dont just think of it in terms of Scotland and England. Some areas of Scotland generates more than some areas of England and vice versa. And the same can be said abour expenditure too. Its about putting it all together so its shared out as fairly as we can to maintain services we deserve.

"Also from todays car crash radio debate with wee blogger Kevin Hague he admitted that what the GERS figures do tell us is how Scotland’s revenue and expenditure figures look as an integral part of the UK"

Let me remind you that Kevin Hague is an individual, not a politician. The real disgrace was that no one from the Scottish Government would appear on the show to support their own figures. And let not forget his opponent, who had nothing to add only obfuscation and fogging the issue was Richard Murphy, the modest man who claims he had "changed the world" and architect of Corbynomics. I,ll provide a link to the shiw here and people, if interested can listen for themselves, as I know you wont.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04zw64y

" Also he finally admitted that those GERS figures he loves to go on about do not tell us what a future independent Scotland will look like."

He has always said that, what he has also consistently said is that is is the starting point, and what is never answered as he and I have asked many times to nationalists is, what would you change in an independent Scotland?

That question is never answered!

Because they revel in doubt, uncertainty and don their tin foil hats screaming that is all a huge Westminster conspiracy.

And its worth noting that the snp government must be in on it!

"

What the bloody hell are the GERS figures, and why does Alex Salmomd insist in working in London, when it such an awful place, which is designed to deny the Scottish. Or is he just a 2 faced twat who would much sooner line his own pockets at the expense of his naive supporters

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

25 of the 26 income figures are UK based estimates. We need Scottish data why wouldnt want that ?

GERS are skewed in the UKs favour (as they hold/provide ALL data)

What's the economic case against independence based on then ? Is anyone suggesting Scotland could not do well economically? Many small countries with fewer resources do very well

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

GERS is the Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland, you,ll find them here: http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS

All economic future forecasts are based on estimates, the problem with your argument is who is doing the estimates and forecasting, its the Scottish governments own economists and statisticians that do the collating and analasys of the data. And there was a FoI request to the Scottish government asking if any specific data was refused to them by HMRC, the answer was no.

Once again you deny deflect and fail to answer tbe question, what would you change.

Remember it was you that voted for independence and the white paper that was based on GERS figures, why were they to be trusted then but not now.

"What's the economic case against independence based on then ?"

GERS, the Scottish governments own report would suggest that."

Is anyone suggesting Scotland could not do well economically?"

Good question, do you have an answer? What I,m suggesting is that changes would need to be made, what are these changes, and how much would they cost? "

Many small countries with fewer resources do very well"

I,m not in one of those other countries, so thats pretty irrelevant. I,m in this one and your not doing a good job at selling independence for Scotland, you have no answers to simple basic questions.

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By *udejockMan
over a year ago

Playa Vera

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By *udejockMan
over a year ago

Playa Vera


"A link would have been nice. So your not going to provide sources or post links."

Google "Nicola Sturgeon Popularity Rating"

Reference the three top stories.

Hard wasn't it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A link would have been nice. So your not going to provide sources or post links.

Google "Nicola Sturgeon Popularity Rating"

Reference the three top stories.

Hard wasn't it!"
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Ill let you guess how popular Hitler was in any 1939 poll?

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire


"A link would have been nice. So your not going to provide sources or post links.

Google "Nicola Sturgeon Popularity Rating"

Reference the three top stories.

Hard wasn't it!"

If you are basing your case on any evidence it's the decent thing to name a source or at least provide a link to it, the poster never does and has been known to gild the lily.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't normally post in this forum as it's a sure way to find people not to agree to meet with due to racial cross border hatred than anything else

However

Opinion polls are just that an opinion by a SELECT group chosen specifically from newspapers printed South of the Border with an agenda against Scottish Nationalists. There are also a number of You Tube ideas highlighting biased reports in the run up to 2014 Indy Ref.

Both Ruth Davidson and Kezia Dugdake represent Westminster based parties with little or no support in Scotland whatsoever and are blinkered into attacking anything the FM has to say regarding anything.

The Scottish National Party is a one trick pony and was set up to campaign for Scottish Independence and has almost succeeded.

The day job as people state is to look out for the best interests of Scotland and the Scottish people, now within the confines of a very limited budget that is precisely what Ms Sturgeon is doing in spite of the back stabbing and bitching from her counterparts who have no chance of beating her at the Polls come voting day.

The SNP are by a landslide the leading party here whether you support them or not and are doing a very good job within the fiscal constraints available, neither Miss Davidson or Dugdale seem able to comprehend that, however they spout whatever bile their bosses in Westminster tell them is the party line.

We in Scotland think differently politically than our Southern neighbours and have a different wordly view on where we stand.

I personally think if there is an Indyref 2 then Scotland should look closer to home i.e. Iceland, The Faroes and the other Nordic regions and join them rather than either Westminster or Brussels

But that is my OPINION same as any other POLL from a biased newspaper"

Does this fiscal constraint include the extra £1500 per head of population Scotland receives ??

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By *aveandSue1Couple
over a year ago

Doncaster


"I don't normally post in this forum as it's a sure way to find people not to agree to meet with due to racial cross border hatred than anything else

However

Opinion polls are just that an opinion by a SELECT group chosen specifically from newspapers printed South of the Border with an agenda against Scottish Nationalists. There are also a number of You Tube ideas highlighting biased reports in the run up to 2014 Indy Ref.

Both Ruth Davidson and Kezia Dugdake represent Westminster based parties with little or no support in Scotland whatsoever and are blinkered into attacking anything the FM has to say regarding anything.

The Scottish National Party is a one trick pony and was set up to campaign for Scottish Independence and has almost succeeded.

The day job as people state is to look out for the best interests of Scotland and the Scottish people, now within the confines of a very limited budget that is precisely what Ms Sturgeon is doing in spite of the back stabbing and bitching from her counterparts who have no chance of beating her at the Polls come voting day.

The SNP are by a landslide the leading party here whether you support them or not and are doing a very good job within the fiscal constraints available, neither Miss Davidson or Dugdale seem able to comprehend that, however they spout whatever bile their bosses in Westminster tell them is the party line.

We in Scotland think differently politically than our Southern neighbours and have a different wordly view on where we stand.

I personally think if there is an Indyref 2 then Scotland should look closer to home i.e. Iceland, The Faroes and the other Nordic regions and join them rather than either Westminster or Brussels

But that is my OPINION same as any other POLL from a biased newspaper

Does this fiscal constraint include the extra £1500 per head of population Scotland receives ?? "

Nicola Sturgeon said she wanted to be judged on her Education Record before the last Hollyrood election. As has been admitted by the SNP it's in a sharp downward spiral.

Also she made a "manifesto committment" to hold a second independance referendum should there be any material change.

The Scottish First Minister does not have and never has had that authority.

How was she able to get away with this blatent lie?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scottish education and health has the best record in the UK not bad for a government that gets set a budget to work with from the UK treasury.

I dont blame you for being mis-formed though as the British media are trying ever so hard to twist the truth. "

Really? So reports of defects having been found at 71 schools in Scotland are false?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39580308

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicola Sturgeon said she wanted to be judged on her Education Record before the last Hollyrood election. As has been admitted by the SNP it's in a sharp downward spiral.

Also she made a "manifesto committment" to hold a second independance referendum should there be any material change."

That was one part of her manifesto commitment on the matter of a further Independence vote. The other 'condition' was that there would have to be a demonstrable desire for a further vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

May I remind the posters that the snp are NOT Scotland.

In 2014 the majority of Scots voted to remain in the union.

In the past Sturgeon used to say " The will of the Scottish people " now it is " The will of The Scottish Parliment ".

The snp do not have a majority in the the parliment as she has to use the greens as her stooges.

Since the Scottish elections only two bills have been passed in the parliment.

The budget where they allowed the greens to label anyone earning £ 43000 rich so will pay more tax than the rest of the UK.

The other was a section 30 for another devisive referendum again they needed the greens to get this through.

The greens had in their manifesto if there was a million person signature petition they would support the call for another referendum.

Guess what ??? The last statment disappears from the online manifesto! !!!

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Scottish education and health has the best record in the UK not bad for a government that gets set a budget to work with from the UK treasury.

I dont blame you for being mis-formed though as the British media are trying ever so hard to twist the truth.

Really? So reports of defects having been found at 71 schools in Scotland are false?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39580308"

Yeah thats true 71 schools in Scotland have defects but think is the British media wont tell you what party was in charge when those schools were build.

Now 1999-2007 Scottish Labour were in government and used PFI's to build those schools nothing to do with the SNP although thats what the media are hoping for is the voters will think it was under the SNP those school were build when really it was Scottish Labour and there great PFI deal that the taxy payer will be paying off for years to come.

Not once in that BBC link does it say it was under a Labour government they were build what the British media dont get is alot of people have the world wide web now a days to go and look up things and see who is actually lying or twisting the truth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The report from what i read was about piss poor building work on top of piss poor design and piss poor oversight by Edinburgh council and piss poor management by the contractors

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"Scottish education and health has the best record in the UK not bad for a government that gets set a budget to work with from the UK treasury.

I dont blame you for being mis-formed though as the British media are trying ever so hard to twist the truth.

Really? So reports of defects having been found at 71 schools in Scotland are false?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39580308

Yeah thats true 71 schools in Scotland have defects but think is the British media wont tell you what party was in charge when those schools were build.

Now 1999-2007 Scottish Labour were in government and used PFI's to build those schools nothing to do with the SNP although thats what the media are hoping for is the voters will think it was under the SNP those school were build when really it was Scottish Labour and there great PFI deal that the taxy payer will be paying off for years to come.

Not once in that BBC link does it say it was under a Labour government they were build what the British media dont get is alot of people have the world wide web now a days to go and look up things and see who is actually lying or twisting the truth. "

Does,nt matter who built the school its who maintains the school that matters any building not maintained will have defects.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not so much how the buildings were financed it's about the build quality and the lack of inspection that was carried out during the construction.

One of my brothers is a builder and has taken on full house builds but the building inspectors are usually all over it like a rash (a good thing)

But in Scotland they have this self certification thing, which means the builders signed off thier own work as good

The person who authorised that should be hung by his balls

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scottish education and health has the best record in the UK not bad for a government that gets set a budget to work with from the UK treasury.

I dont blame you for being mis-formed though as the British media are trying ever so hard to twist the truth.

Really? So reports of defects having been found at 71 schools in Scotland are false?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39580308

Yeah thats true 71 schools in Scotland have defects but think is the British media wont tell you what party was in charge when those schools were build.

Now 1999-2007 Scottish Labour were in government and used PFI's to build those schools nothing to do with the SNP although thats what the media are hoping for is the voters will think it was under the SNP those school were build when really it was Scottish Labour and there great PFI deal that the taxy payer will be paying off for years to come.

Not once in that BBC link does it say it was under a Labour government they were build what the British media dont get is alot of people have the world wide web now a days to go and look up things and see who is actually lying or twisting the truth. "

The snp do not build schools local councils do.

PFI is still around but under a different name.

Our local snp counceller was critical of my Labour council using PFI even though the snp counciller approved of it and so did Edinburgh.

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By *rof SalamanderMan
over a year ago

glasgow

Doubtful. Any polls out show Sturgeon is dropping fast as SNP continue to spin down plug home failing country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scottish education and health has the best record in the UK not bad for a government that gets set a budget to work with from the UK treasury.

I dont blame you for being mis-formed though as the British media are trying ever so hard to twist the truth.

Really? So reports of defects having been found at 71 schools in Scotland are false?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39580308

Yeah thats true 71 schools in Scotland have defects but think is the British media wont tell you what party was in charge when those schools were build.

Now 1999-2007 Scottish Labour were in government and used PFI's to build those schools nothing to do with the SNP although thats what the media are hoping for is the voters will think it was under the SNP those school were build when really it was Scottish Labour and there great PFI deal that the taxy payer will be paying off for years to come.

Not once in that BBC link does it say it was under a Labour government they were build what the British media dont get is alot of people have the world wide web now a days to go and look up things and see who is actually lying or twisting the truth.

Does,nt matter who built the school its who maintains the school that matters any building not maintained will have defects."

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"The report from what i read was about piss poor building work on top of piss poor design and piss poor oversight by Edinburgh council and piss poor management by the contractors"

They didn't plan to fail, they failed to plan

Looks like lack of management, and lack of control

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