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I wonder if the fanatical UKIP voters on this forum will admit that UKIP are finished now that their banker has left them, their MP has left them, their former leader has left them etc etc etc. | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now" Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.  | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do. "So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader? | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.
So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader? "Ukip have plenty of other donors besides Aaron Banks. Leader Paul Nuttal said in a speech in Dorset a couple of weeks ago that an agreement has been made by a consortium of Ukip donors to fund the party for the foreseeable future. Former leader Nigel Farage has not abandoned the party, he said on the BBC he would stand again in South Thanet on a Ukip ticket if a by election is called there after the police investigations into Tory election fraud at the general election. | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.
So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader?
Ukip have plenty of other donors besides Aaron Banks. Leader Paul Nuttal said in a speech in Dorset a couple of weeks ago that an agreement has been made by a consortium of Ukip donors to fund the party for the foreseeable future. Former leader Nigel Farage has not abandoned the party, he said on the BBC he would stand again in South Thanet on a Ukip ticket if a by election is called there after the police investigations into Tory election fraud at the general election. "Farage is going to stand again?! Well, you got to love a trier. What is the saying? "Eighth time a charm"? -Matt | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.
So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader?
Ukip have plenty of other donors besides Aaron Banks. Leader Paul Nuttal said in a speech in Dorset a couple of weeks ago that an agreement has been made by a consortium of Ukip donors to fund the party for the foreseeable future. Former leader Nigel Farage has not abandoned the party, he said on the BBC he would stand again in South Thanet on a Ukip ticket if a by election is called there after the police investigations into Tory election fraud at the general election.
Farage is going to stand again?! Well, you got to love a trier. What is the saying? "Eighth time a charm"?
-Matt"I prefer the saying 'if at first you don't succeed, try, try and try again'.  | |||
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I wonder if the fanatical UKIP voters on this forum will admit that UKIP are finished now that their banker has left them, their MP has left them, their former leader has left them etc etc etc."Article 50 will be triggered next week. Yes that is a full stop. | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.
So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader?
Ukip have plenty of other donors besides Aaron Banks. Leader Paul Nuttal said in a speech in Dorset a couple of weeks ago that an agreement has been made by a consortium of Ukip donors to fund the party for the foreseeable future. "Do you think they'll stump up the 50-60 billion quid the UK will have to pay to the EU? | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.
So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader?
Ukip have plenty of other donors besides Aaron Banks. Leader Paul Nuttal said in a speech in Dorset a couple of weeks ago that an agreement has been made by a consortium of Ukip donors to fund the party for the foreseeable future.
Do you think they'll stump up the 50-60 billion quid the UK will have to pay to the EU?"Of course they won't because Britain won't be paying it. Yes that is another full stop. | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.
So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader?
Ukip have plenty of other donors besides Aaron Banks. Leader Paul Nuttal said in a speech in Dorset a couple of weeks ago that an agreement has been made by a consortium of Ukip donors to fund the party for the foreseeable future.
Do you think they'll stump up the 50-60 billion quid the UK will have to pay to the EU?
Of course they won't because Britain won't be paying it.
Yes that is another full stop. "Right....  | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.
So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader?
Ukip have plenty of other donors besides Aaron Banks. Leader Paul Nuttal said in a speech in Dorset a couple of weeks ago that an agreement has been made by a consortium of Ukip donors to fund the party for the foreseeable future.
Do you think they'll stump up the 50-60 billion quid the UK will have to pay to the EU?
Of course they won't because Britain won't be paying it.
Yes that is another full stop. "You know how woefully understaffed the UK is for these negotiations? I think you should apply for the job. You can be in charge of all the full stops. They can give you a huuuuige pile of them and you can put them after every sentence the negotiators put together before it gets sent to Brussels.
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.
So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader?
Ukip have plenty of other donors besides Aaron Banks. Leader Paul Nuttal said in a speech in Dorset a couple of weeks ago that an agreement has been made by a consortium of Ukip donors to fund the party for the foreseeable future. Former leader Nigel Farage has not abandoned the party, he said on the BBC he would stand again in South Thanet on a Ukip ticket if a by election is called there after the police investigations into Tory election fraud at the general election. "
They are so insignificant that even you centaur can't remember their former leader that abandoned them! I'll give you a clue, it was a woman.
More than 90% of their income was from 1 single donor who has now left them, are these new donors going to put up the same amount of cash? Have they paid back that money that they embezzled from the EU yet? | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.
So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader?
Ukip have plenty of other donors besides Aaron Banks. Leader Paul Nuttal said in a speech in Dorset a couple of weeks ago that an agreement has been made by a consortium of Ukip donors to fund the party for the foreseeable future.
Do you think they'll stump up the 50-60 billion quid the UK will have to pay to the EU?
Of course they won't because Britain won't be paying it.
Yes that is another full stop. "I'm inclined to agree
House of Lords has said the UK has no legal obligation to pay the EU any bills.
Leading Brexit figures such as Micheal Gove and Boris Johnson have said that the UK is due a very sizeable rebate when we leave, so maybe the UK will be issuing the EU with a hefty multi billion pound bill. UK has paid towards many assets in the EU over 40 years of membership, surely we are due a share of those assets when we leave. Brexit Conservative MP Bill Cash said UK should also Issue Germany with a Brexit bill dating back from WW2. | |||
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"No. Of UK MEP's. Soon to be... 0 " and ukip will go down in history as the party that won the last MEP European election in the UK, beating both the Tories and Labour. | |||
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"No. Of UK MEP's. Soon to be... 0
and ukip will go down in history as the party that won the last MEP European election in the UK, beating both the Tories and Labour. "And embezzled hundreds of thousands of pounds and voted to support the ivory trade | |||
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"No. Of UK MEP's. Soon to be... 0
and ukip will go down in history as the party that won the last MEP European election in the UK, beating both the Tories and Labour.
And embezzled hundreds of thousands of pounds and voted to support the ivory trade "So who's in prison? | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.
So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader?
Ukip have plenty of other donors besides Aaron Banks. Leader Paul Nuttal said in a speech in Dorset a couple of weeks ago that an agreement has been made by a consortium of Ukip donors to fund the party for the foreseeable future.
Do you think they'll stump up the 50-60 billion quid the UK will have to pay to the EU?
Of course they won't because Britain won't be paying it.
Yes that is another full stop.
You know how woefully understaffed the UK is for these negotiations? I think you should apply for the job. You can be in charge of all the full stops. They can give you a huuuuige pile of them and you can put them after every sentence the negotiators put together before it gets sent to Brussels.
-Matt"So tell me then. If Britain just point blank refuses to pay, what can they do? I would say very little as long as the British team has the balls to retaliate in kind to every threat they make. Blockade British exports? Fine then tell them to start building car parks in Rotterdam or new wine cellars in Epernay. Disrupt British flights? (as they have already threatened) Yep great. Go on flight radar and take a quick look how many trans Atlantic flights from all over Europe use British air space. I'll bet a few Spanish hoteliers may have a problem with that as well. Most of the remainers on here seem to think that Brussels holds all the aces and they can punish Britain in any way that they like. Guess what? As much as they would like to, they can't and they won't. To be honest the arrogance of the EU since the Brexit vote has even surprised me. It really confirms to me that Britain is leaving a nasty vindictive club that really doesn't deserve to have it (or anyone else) as a member. What will they threaten next? Operation Sealion mark two?  | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.
So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader?
Ukip have plenty of other donors besides Aaron Banks. Leader Paul Nuttal said in a speech in Dorset a couple of weeks ago that an agreement has been made by a consortium of Ukip donors to fund the party for the foreseeable future.
Do you think they'll stump up the 50-60 billion quid the UK will have to pay to the EU?
Of course they won't because Britain won't be paying it.
Yes that is another full stop.
You know how woefully understaffed the UK is for these negotiations? I think you should apply for the job. You can be in charge of all the full stops. They can give you a huuuuige pile of them and you can put them after every sentence the negotiators put together before it gets sent to Brussels.
-Matt
So tell me then.
If Britain just point blank refuses to pay, what can they do?
I would say very little as long as the British team has the balls to retaliate in kind to every threat they make.
Blockade British exports?
Fine then tell them to start building car parks in Rotterdam or new wine cellars in Epernay.
Disrupt British flights? (as they have already threatened)
Yep great. Go on flight radar and take a quick look how many trans Atlantic flights from all over Europe use British air space. I'll bet a few Spanish hoteliers may have a problem with that as well.
Most of the remainers on here seem to think that Brussels holds all the aces and they can punish Britain in any way that they like.
Guess what? As much as they would like to, they can't and they won't.
To be honest the arrogance of the EU since the Brexit vote has even surprised me. It really confirms to me that Britain is leaving a nasty vindictive club that really doesn't deserve to have it (or anyone else) as a member.
What will they threaten next? Operation Sealion mark two? "So when Scotland gets its independence we can tell the UK government to F O when they ask us to pay our share of the national debt?? | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.
So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader?
Ukip have plenty of other donors besides Aaron Banks. Leader Paul Nuttal said in a speech in Dorset a couple of weeks ago that an agreement has been made by a consortium of Ukip donors to fund the party for the foreseeable future.
Do you think they'll stump up the 50-60 billion quid the UK will have to pay to the EU?
Of course they won't because Britain won't be paying it.
Yes that is another full stop.
You know how woefully understaffed the UK is for these negotiations? I think you should apply for the job. You can be in charge of all the full stops. They can give you a huuuuige pile of them and you can put them after every sentence the negotiators put together before it gets sent to Brussels.
-Matt
So tell me then.
If Britain just point blank refuses to pay, what can they do?
I would say very little as long as the British team has the balls to retaliate in kind to every threat they make.
Blockade British exports?
Fine then tell them to start building car parks in Rotterdam or new wine cellars in Epernay.
Disrupt British flights? (as they have already threatened)
Yep great. Go on flight radar and take a quick look how many trans Atlantic flights from all over Europe use British air space. I'll bet a few Spanish hoteliers may have a problem with that as well.
Most of the remainers on here seem to think that Brussels holds all the aces and they can punish Britain in any way that they like.
Guess what? As much as they would like to, they can't and they won't.
To be honest the arrogance of the EU since the Brexit vote has even surprised me. It really confirms to me that Britain is leaving a nasty vindictive club that really doesn't deserve to have it (or anyone else) as a member.
What will they threaten next? Operation Sealion mark two?
So when Scotland gets its independence we can tell the UK government to F O when they ask us to pay our share of the national debt?? "Sturgeon probably will. What can the rest of the UK do about it? Short of invasion, bugger all. | |||
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"I don't support UKIP and dont care how they organise themselves. However, they have mustered a fair percentage of votes in recent elections. It seems odd that some people in this forum who claim to be pro-democracy leap around in celebration at things like this." I respect and will fight for the right for you to vote for whomever you want to. I don't have to like who that is, like you, or like what that party or candidate stands for. ('You' being collective you, not you personally). -Matt | |||
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"As someone who voted UKIP I do think they have run thier course , best to fold with Dignity now rather than Fizzle Out "Dignity is not a word one can associate with ukip.. | |||
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"I don't support UKIP and dont care how they organise themselves. However, they have mustered a fair percentage of votes in recent elections. It seems odd that some people in this forum who claim to be pro-democracy leap around in celebration at things like this. I respect and will fight for the right for you to vote for whomever you want to. I don't have to like who that is, like you, or like what that party or candidate stands for. ('You' being collective you, not you personally). -Matt" as it should be. I don't vote for them, but political voids can be dangerous. | |||
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"I wonder if the fanatical EU supporters on here will ever admit that they were beaten by UKIP? Whether they carry on or fold it matters not now Ukip have achieved what they set out to do.
So that's why their backer has abandoned them then? And their only MP, and former leader?
Ukip have plenty of other donors besides Aaron Banks. Leader Paul Nuttal said in a speech in Dorset a couple of weeks ago that an agreement has been made by a consortium of Ukip donors to fund the party for the foreseeable future. Former leader Nigel Farage has not abandoned the party, he said on the BBC he would stand again in South Thanet on a Ukip ticket if a by election is called there after the police investigations into Tory election fraud at the general election.
Farage is going to stand again?! Well, you got to love a trier. What is the saying? "Eighth time a charm"?
-Matt
I prefer the saying 'if at first you don't succeed, try, try and try again'. "7 Lets apply that to anyone who opposes brexit or opposes the current execution and delivery of Brexit. | |||
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"U K I P has a chief it's Aim ! But it's supporters , my self included will Hopefully move on to the next Step "The dedicated UKIPers wont. They like any ideologue from the labour, troy, lib dem, SNP or Green party will view them as perfect and fail to acknowledge and denounce their failings. And this is why politics and democracy can become a mess. Because people get wrapped up in cults of charisma and ideologies. Rather than excising Dutch pragmatism. | |||
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"I don't support UKIP and dont care how they organise themselves. However, they have mustered a fair percentage of votes in recent elections. It seems odd that some people in this forum who claim to be pro-democracy leap around in celebration at things like this." Are you suggesting that there is something anti-democratic in what has happened? | |||
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"I'm mildly puzzled by the ammount of media attention that UKIP get - they have only ever had one MP, and as such, are pretty insignificant. They somehow seem to think that leaving the EU was their idea, it wasn't, although they pushed the agenda through the media. The referendum would not have even been tabled without Conservative anti-EU politicians, as those are the only ones who have ever held any actual power. They are, as such something of a joke. T-wearing wannabes vainly attempting to somehow be"respectab;e" (in a country gent kind of way) and yet also "men of the people". " Better get back to doing your research properly Jim, Ukip have had 2 MP's in Westminster, Douglas Carswell, and the other was Mark Reckless who won a by election for Ukip in Rochester and Strood. | |||
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"I'm mildly puzzled by the ammount of media attention that UKIP get - they have only ever had one MP, and as such, are pretty insignificant. They somehow seem to think that leaving the EU was their idea, it wasn't, although they pushed the agenda through the media. The referendum would not have even been tabled without Conservative anti-EU politicians, as those are the only ones who have ever held any actual power. They are, as such something of a joke. T-wearing wannabes vainly attempting to somehow be"respectab;e" (in a country gent kind of way) and yet also "men of the people". Better get back to doing your research properly Jim, Ukip have had 2 MP's in Westminster, Douglas Carswell, and the other was Mark Reckless who won a by election for Ukip in Rochester and Strood. " Oh, sorry, they've had one more than the one I mentioned.
Does Carswell ebven count properly?
Either way, some magnificent straw-clutching there, I salute you. | |||
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"I'm mildly puzzled by the ammount of media attention that UKIP get - they have only ever had one MP, and as such, are pretty insignificant. They somehow seem to think that leaving the EU was their idea, it wasn't, although they pushed the agenda through the media. The referendum would not have even been tabled without Conservative anti-EU politicians, as those are the only ones who have ever held any actual power. They are, as such something of a joke. T-wearing wannabes vainly attempting to somehow be"respectab;e" (in a country gent kind of way) and yet also "men of the people". Better get back to doing your research properly Jim, Ukip have had 2 MP's in Westminster, Douglas Carswell, and the other was Mark Reckless who won a by election for Ukip in Rochester and Strood. Oh, sorry, they've had one more than the one I mentioned.
Does Carswell ebven count properly?
Either way, some magnificent straw-clutching there, I salute you. "You said Ukip had only ever had 1 MP as if it was an irrefutable fact. Glad to see you admit you were wrong about that though. | |||
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"I'm mildly puzzled by the ammount of media attention that UKIP get - they have only ever had one MP, and as such, are pretty insignificant. They somehow seem to think that leaving the EU was their idea, it wasn't, although they pushed the agenda through the media. The referendum would not have even been tabled without Conservative anti-EU politicians, as those are the only ones who have ever held any actual power. They are, as such something of a joke. T-wearing wannabes vainly attempting to somehow be"respectab;e" (in a country gent kind of way) and yet also "men of the people". Better get back to doing your research properly Jim, Ukip have had 2 MP's in Westminster, Douglas Carswell, and the other was Mark Reckless who won a by election for Ukip in Rochester and Strood. Oh, sorry, they've had one more than the one I mentioned.
Does Carswell ebven count properly?
Either way, some magnificent straw-clutching there, I salute you.
You said Ukip had only ever had 1 MP as if it was an irrefutable fact. Glad to see you admit you were wrong about that though. "How many MPs does UKIP have today? | |||
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"No. Of UK MEP's. Soon to be... 0
and ukip will go down in history as the party that won the last MEP European election in the UK, beating both the Tories and Labour.
And embezzled hundreds of thousands of pounds and voted to support the ivory trade
So who's in prison?"Well UKIP MEP Ashley Mote went to prison for embezzling expenses....... | |||
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"I'm mildly puzzled by the ammount of media attention that UKIP get - they have only ever had one MP, and as such, are pretty " I think it's because our electoral system means they have only ever had one MP but in terms of total votes at the last election they polled 50% higher than the Lib Dems so they do have a lot of support hence the media interest. | |||
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"I'm mildly puzzled by the ammount of media attention that UKIP get - they have only ever had one MP, and as such, are pretty I think it's because our electoral system means they have only ever had one MP but in terms of total votes at the last election they polled 50% higher than the Lib Dems so they do have a lot of support hence the media interest." In fact they had the third highest number of votes of all parties which does beg a question. | |||
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"I'm mildly puzzled by the ammount of media attention that UKIP get - they have only ever had one MP, and as such, are pretty I think it's because our electoral system means they have only ever had one MP but in terms of total votes at the last election they polled 50% higher than the Lib Dems so they do have a lot of support hence the media interest. In fact they had the third highest number of votes of all parties which does beg a question." yes it does , but the powers that be and the media prefer to ignore this ! | |||
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"I'm mildly puzzled by the ammount of media attention that UKIP get - they have only ever had one MP, and as such, are pretty I think it's because our electoral system means they have only ever had one MP but in terms of total votes at the last election they polled 50% higher than the Lib Dems so they do have a lot of support hence the media interest. In fact they had the third highest number of votes of all parties which does beg a question. yes it does , but the powers that be and the media prefer to ignore this !" There has been a problem building for many years with a large proportion of the electorate not catered for by the old 3 main parties. That is even more the case now. Ukip gave collapsed, lib dems a shambles, labour a shambles, leaving the tories as the only functional party. Not being a party supporter, or a ukip party supporter, I can still see the situation is dire. Some posters on here will be happy to gloat that a party they don't like is gone, and see it as some kind of victory. I would prefer to see a range of viable parties that represent different views of different parts of the population. | |||
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"I'm mildly puzzled by the ammount of media attention that UKIP get - they have only ever had one MP, and as such, are pretty I think it's because our electoral system means they have only ever had one MP but in terms of total votes at the last election they polled 50% higher than the Lib Dems so they do have a lot of support hence the media interest. In fact they had the third highest number of votes of all parties which does beg a question. yes it does , but the powers that be and the media prefer to ignore this ! There has been a problem building for many years with a large proportion of the electorate not catered for by the old 3 main parties. That is even more the case now. Ukip gave collapsed, lib dems a shambles, labour a shambles, leaving the tories as the only functional party. Not being a party supporter, or a ukip party supporter, I can still see the situation is dire. Some posters on here will be happy to gloat that a party they don't like is gone, and see it as some kind of victory. I would prefer to see a range of viable parties that represent different views of different parts of the population." We won, they lost. Get over it. ROFLMAO! Serious note. That would be interesting to have more parties that relate to us. But how will you ensure you have a fair representative government? We may want to be anti EU, pro NHS, pro business type of government. No party represents the country. I'd go for a proportional representative but with more parties. | |||
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"I'm mildly puzzled by the ammount of media attention that UKIP get - they have only ever had one MP, and as such, are pretty I think it's because our electoral system means they have only ever had one MP but in terms of total votes at the last election they polled 50% higher than the Lib Dems so they do have a lot of support hence the media interest. In fact they had the third highest number of votes of all parties which does beg a question. yes it does , but the powers that be and the media prefer to ignore this ! There has been a problem building for many years with a large proportion of the electorate not catered for by the old 3 main parties. That is even more the case now. Ukip gave collapsed, lib dems a shambles, labour a shambles, leaving the tories as the only functional party. Not being a party supporter, or a ukip party supporter, I can still see the situation is dire. Some posters on here will be happy to gloat that a party they don't like is gone, and see it as some kind of victory. I would prefer to see a range of viable parties that represent different views of different parts of the population." Sensible non Biased Post very unusual on here but a refreshing change | |||
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