Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
 | Back to forum list |
| Back to Politics |
| Jump to newest |  |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's extraordinary how a country which defends its borders and carries out identity and background checks on 'migrants' is deemed to have a controversial policy!? Many lives have been ended prematurely in other EU countries because customs, border staff and other civil servants have let political correctness trump effective controls and policing."   | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's extraordinary how a country which defends its borders and carries out identity and background checks on 'migrants' is deemed to have a controversial policy!? Many lives have been ended prematurely in other EU countries because customs, border staff and other civil servants have let political correctness trump effective controls and policing." I presume 'political correctness' is your lazy name for 'policies I disagree with, which mostly have to do with treating fellow humans with respect'? -Matt | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's extraordinary how a country which defends its borders and carries out identity and background checks on 'migrants' is deemed to have a controversial policy!? Many lives have been ended prematurely in other EU countries because customs, border staff and other civil servants have let political correctness trump effective controls and policing. I presume 'political correctness' is your lazy name for 'policies I disagree with, which mostly have to do with treating fellow humans with respect'? -Matt" No, it's my accurate term for lazy PC civil servants who for example rather than do their jobs in identifying and doing background checks automatically believe a 30 year old when he tells them he's 15. And as you're such an exemplary humanitarian how many 15 year old refugees are you currently fostering? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's extraordinary how a country which defends its borders and carries out identity and background checks on 'migrants' is deemed to have a controversial policy!? Many lives have been ended prematurely in other EU countries because customs, border staff and other civil servants have let political correctness trump effective controls and policing. I presume 'political correctness' is your lazy name for 'policies I disagree with, which mostly have to do with treating fellow humans with respect'? -Matt No, it's my accurate term for lazy PC civil servants who for example rather than do their jobs in identifying and doing background checks automatically believe a 30 year old when he tells them he's 15. And as you're such an exemplary humanitarian how many 15 year old refugees are you currently fostering? " and how do you suppose that a check a Syrian refugee age? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's extraordinary how a country which defends its borders and carries out identity and background checks on 'migrants' is deemed to have a controversial policy!? Many lives have been ended prematurely in other EU countries because customs, border staff and other civil servants have let political correctness trump effective controls and policing. I presume 'political correctness' is your lazy name for 'policies I disagree with, which mostly have to do with treating fellow humans with respect'? -Matt No, it's my accurate term for lazy PC civil servants who for example rather than do their jobs in identifying and doing background checks automatically believe a 30 year old when he tells them he's 15. And as you're such an exemplary humanitarian how many 15 year old refugees are you currently fostering? " Ahh ok, cool. I thought you were implying it was a EU problem, not one with national civil servants. And nice diversion, but I'm not fostering any 15 year old refugees. -Matt | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Big kick off over Hungary holding migrants in detention centres while their claims are being processed. The UN charter on refugees. The EU Dublin accord both say refugees should seek asylum in the first safe country. (Given that these refugees/migrants (probably a mixture of both) have already passed through a few other countries including Serbia. Is it the right thing to do? or should they let them spread out and roam freely throughout Europe with no further checks (as Hungary is in Shengen and there would be no further border checks.?" Hungary?... You meant Orban: He is corrupt and in need of smog screens, as many as he can. The "migration crisis" suits him very well to the purpose of hiding his incapacities as state man; Hungarians can tell you more. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's extraordinary how a country which defends its borders and carries out identity and background checks on 'migrants' is deemed to have a controversial policy!? Many lives have been ended prematurely in other EU countries because customs, border staff and other civil servants have let political correctness trump effective controls and policing." | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Hungary probably hasn't forgotten the last mass muslim migration to their country, 150 years of occupation, they're about as popular as russians." Ahh....the Ottoman Empire.....that bastion of Islamic culture....that butchered millions of Christians? That one? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Big kick off over Hungary holding migrants in detention centres while their claims are being processed. The UN charter on refugees. The EU Dublin accord both say refugees should seek asylum in the first safe country. (Given that these refugees/migrants (probably a mixture of both) have already passed through a few other countries including Serbia. Is it the right thing to do? or should they let them spread out and roam freely throughout Europe with no further checks (as Hungary is in Shengen and there would be no further border checks.?" Where is the "big kick off”? All countries have immigration detention centre, the UK is no different. As long as they are appropriately sheltered, fed and clothed I see no issue with keeping them in a detention centre whilst they are being processed. If they are subsequently given refugee status I hope that other European countries, as well as other countries around the world, share the burden and offer sanctuary to them. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Hungary probably hasn't forgotten the last mass muslim migration to their country, 150 years of occupation, they're about as popular as russians. Ahh....the Ottoman Empire.....that bastion of Islamic culture....that butchered millions of Christians? That one?" Butchered millions? Are you sure about that? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's extraordinary how a country which defends its borders and carries out identity and background checks on 'migrants' is deemed to have a controversial policy!? Many lives have been ended prematurely in other EU countries because customs, border staff and other civil servants have let political correctness trump effective controls and policing. I presume 'political correctness' is your lazy name for 'policies I disagree with, which mostly have to do with treating fellow humans with respect'? -Matt No, it's my accurate term for lazy PC civil servants who for example rather than do their jobs in identifying and doing background checks automatically believe a 30 year old when he tells them he's 15. And as you're such an exemplary humanitarian how many 15 year old refugees are you currently fostering? and how do you suppose that a check a Syrian refugee age?" Common sense would be a good start | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Hungary probably hasn't forgotten the last mass muslim migration to their country, 150 years of occupation, they're about as popular as russians. Ahh....the Ottoman Empire.....that bastion of Islamic culture....that butchered millions of Christians? That one? Butchered millions? Are you sure about that? " Over many years yes | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's extraordinary how a country which defends its borders and carries out identity and background checks on 'migrants' is deemed to have a controversial policy!? Many lives have been ended prematurely in other EU countries because customs, border staff and other civil servants have let political correctness trump effective controls and policing. I presume 'political correctness' is your lazy name for 'policies I disagree with, which mostly have to do with treating fellow humans with respect'? -Matt No, it's my accurate term for lazy PC civil servants who for example rather than do their jobs in identifying and doing background checks automatically believe a 30 year old when he tells them he's 15. And as you're such an exemplary humanitarian how many 15 year old refugees are you currently fostering? " I cannot imagine the heartbreak for some of the 15year olds. Knowing that by accepting refugee status, Would mean they may never see their grandchildren again.   | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Hungary probably hasn't forgotten the last mass muslim migration to their country, 150 years of occupation, they're about as popular as russians. Ahh....the Ottoman Empire.....that bastion of Islamic culture....that butchered millions of Christians? That one? Butchered millions? Are you sure about that? Over many years yes" Indeed.....a simple and checkable fact of history! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Hungary probably hasn't forgotten the last mass muslim migration to their country, 150 years of occupation, they're about as popular as russians. Ahh....the Ottoman Empire.....that bastion of Islamic culture....that butchered millions of Christians? That one? Butchered millions? Are you sure about that? Over many years yes" | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Are we somehow trying to suggest that Hungary hasn't changed politically and culturally since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire? "Culturally no. Still very much a Christian country....and still very suspicious of muslims as the Ottomans only got out of power there after the First World War. They are detaining and processing them according to UN and EU protocol. Genuine refugees can then apply to other countries should they wish. Economic migrants can be sent back....I thought that's how it is supposed to work? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Is it me or are we going off topic. The OP and articles are all about the conditions of the camps while they wait for processing... Which is different from the fear of islamisation and the ottoman empire. Claiming asylum or refugees are not a new concept. They've been about for many decades (official process). What kind of conditions should they be held during the asylum process?" Well the OP was claiming that it was "kicking off" because of the camps existed, not because of the conditions in them. I can only assume that he was unaware that every country has them and has for years | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Is it me or are we going off topic. The OP and articles are all about the conditions of the camps while they wait for processing... Which is different from the fear of islamisation and the ottoman empire. Claiming asylum or refugees are not a new concept. They've been about for many decades (official process). What kind of conditions should they be held during the asylum process? Well the OP was claiming that it was "kicking off" because of the camps existed, not because of the conditions in them. I can only assume that he was unaware that every country has them and has for years" Waiting eagerly for their input. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Yep. Absolutley nothing Happened in Hungary 1917-39 Or 19745-1956....etc..." Hungarians have a long memory and a long history of various occupations. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Big kick off over Hungary holding migrants in detention centres while their claims are being processed. The UN charter on refugees. The EU Dublin accord both say refugees should seek asylum in the first safe country. (Given that these refugees/migrants (probably a mixture of both) have already passed through a few other countries including Serbia. Is it the right thing to do? or should they let them spread out and roam freely throughout Europe with no further checks (as Hungary is in Shengen and there would be no further border checks.?" On your second point. Not sure on your angle. You know they can claim asylum from the first safe country they arrive in. It means they can fly to the UK and claim for it in the UK. Or leave to another country and apply for asylum in the UK. Serbia is not part of the Dublin accord and the restrictions were lifted for the crisis last year. It is only valid for EU members. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Im about to make Cod in breadcrumbs for tea, hope this isn't off topic" Seems common. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"they can claim asylum from the first safe country they arrive in. It means they can fly to the UK and claim for it in the UK. Or leave to another country and apply for asylum in the UK." You can wonder why their neighbours dont take them in? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Im about to make Cod in breadcrumbs for tea, hope this isn't off topic" I'm having cod also.In Tom yum soup.  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"they can claim asylum from the first safe country they arrive in. It means they can fly to the UK and claim for it in the UK. Or leave to another country and apply for asylum in the UK.You can wonder why their neighbours dont take them in?" Which countries? Do you know how many they take in? Or how many apply? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"they can claim asylum from the first safe country they arrive in. It means they can fly to the UK and claim for it in the UK. Or leave to another country and apply for asylum in the UK.You can wonder why their neighbours dont take them in? Which countries? Do you know how many they take in? Or how many apply?" Like if there was a war in iran, not sure how many would take them in, in the surrounding countries like turkey, afghanistan and iraq? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"they can claim asylum from the first safe country they arrive in. It means they can fly to the UK and claim for it in the UK. Or leave to another country and apply for asylum in the UK.You can wonder why their neighbours dont take them in? Which countries? Do you know how many they take in? Or how many apply?Like if there was a war in iran, not sure how many would take them in, in the surrounding countries like turkey, afghanistan and iraq?" Iran has had Afghan refugee camps since the 1970s | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Is it me or are we going off topic. The OP and articles are all about the conditions of the camps while they wait for processing... Which is different from the fear of islamisation and the ottoman empire. Claiming asylum or refugees are not a new concept. They've been about for many decades (official process). What kind of conditions should they be held during the asylum process?" Personally I think they should be kept in accommodation which would be rated as 4* after all many of these economic migrants have struggled for ages. And it would be only fair to allow them some decent comfort with Irish Linen bed sheets, a pool gym sauna and solarium whilst they await onward processing to the lands of milk and honey | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"they can claim asylum from the first safe country they arrive in. It means they can fly to the UK and claim for it in the UK. Or leave to another country and apply for asylum in the UK.You can wonder why their neighbours dont take them in? Which countries? Do you know how many they take in? Or how many apply?Like if there was a war in iran, not sure how many would take them in, in the surrounding countries like turkey, afghanistan and iraq? Iran has had Afghan refugee camps since the 1970s " Similar region culture and identity, they should fit in well | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"they can claim asylum from the first safe country they arrive in. It means they can fly to the UK and claim for it in the UK. Or leave to another country and apply for asylum in the UK.You can wonder why their neighbours dont take them in? Which countries? Do you know how many they take in? Or how many apply?Like if there was a war in iran, not sure how many would take them in, in the surrounding countries like turkey, afghanistan and iraq? Iran has had Afghan refugee camps since the 1970s Similar region culture and identity, they should fit in well" What's your point? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"they can claim asylum from the first safe country they arrive in. It means they can fly to the UK and claim for it in the UK. Or leave to another country and apply for asylum in the UK.You can wonder why their neighbours dont take them in? Which countries? Do you know how many they take in? Or how many apply?Like if there was a war in iran, not sure how many would take them in, in the surrounding countries like turkey, afghanistan and iraq? Iran has had Afghan refugee camps since the 1970s Similar region culture and identity, they should fit in well What's your point?" My point is let them stay in the regions they originate from and the religion and culture they understand and appreciate | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Post new Message to Thread |
| back to top |  |
