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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

One of the "reasons" cited by the remain side was to protect workers rights under EU laws. It is (correctly) something that should be part of the negotiations fir brexit.

Anyone watching Victoria Derbyshire? It seems EU rules are allowing Slovakian HGV drivers to drive all over Germany, Denmark, UK etc at £400 month......or less, rather than paying at least the minimum wage applicable to the country they are in.

It applies to UK companies...they have to pay our min wage (or more) regardless of where driving. But Eastern Europe drivers are undercutting Western European companies and driving down wages.

Currently we cannot do anything to prevent this happening in the UK because EU laws apply.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One of the "reasons" cited by the remain side was to protect workers rights under EU laws. It is (correctly) something that should be part of the negotiations fir brexit.

Anyone watching Victoria Derbyshire? It seems EU rules are allowing Slovakian HGV drivers to drive all over Germany, Denmark, UK etc at £400 month......or less, rather than paying at least the minimum wage applicable to the country they are in.

It applies to UK companies...they have to pay our min wage (or more) regardless of where driving. But Eastern Europe drivers are undercutting Western European companies and driving down wages.

Currently we cannot do anything to prevent this happening in the UK because EU laws apply."
it's called business after all no one is forcing uk companies to hire these low paid drivers are they ? If they really cared about uk drivers over profits they would pay the extra.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let me get this straight.

A Slovakian driver working for a company in Slovakia being paid Slovakian wage rates are delivering goods throughout the EU ?

Or are you saying UK companies are hiring Slovakia based drivers to do their delivering around Europe ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or are you saying all HGV drivers wages should change to the current Countries rates they are entering as soon as they cross a border ?

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby


"Or are you saying all HGV drivers wages should change to the current Countries rates they are entering as soon as they cross a border ?"

Its actually all three of your questions the report used ikea as an example they pay a slovakian haulage company bring to move goods across the eu stribtly speaking they should pay the minimum wage of whatever country they are driving in but use a loophole to pay them slovak min wage this meang a driver who was based in denmark was getting 400 euros instead of 2200 in the report it also confirmed that many uk high st names were using the eastern european trucking companies living in derby i can tell you that rolls royce is one of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw this as well, they could not even aford to stay in digs in countries they were delivering in as they were given the rate it would be to stay in thier own country

Another loophole big business uses to make more profit and pay peanuts

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By *ougar_n_TILFCouple
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

So you mean a change in EU law is required? If only we weren't leaving the EU, you could petition your MEP's to try and change it.

Never mind, truck drivers in this country will soon be on the same wage as Slovakian drivers, so it will all be fair.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Currently we cannot do anything to prevent this happening in the UK because EU laws apply."

And if we were not in the EU then we wouldn't be able to change it either would we? Seeing as it is the minimum wage of a foreign country we would be trying to change.

Does the EU prohibit us from mandating the UK companies pay a higher wage for truck drivers? No. But to do so would probably be madness. Just as it would do if we were not in the EU. No difference.

The only thing that sensibly be done to protect this would be if the EU change the laws on it. Us being in or out makes no difference.

-Matt

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Currently we cannot do anything to prevent this happening in the UK because EU laws apply.

And if we were not in the EU then we wouldn't be able to change it either would we? Seeing as it is the minimum wage of a foreign country we would be trying to change.

Does the EU prohibit us from mandating the UK companies pay a higher wage for truck drivers? No. But to do so would probably be madness. Just as it would do if we were not in the EU. No difference.

The only thing that sensibly be done to protect this would be if the EU change the laws on it. Us being in or out makes no difference.

-Matt"

Exactly, imagine if that same Slovakian trucker drives to Russia or Turkey, does he suddenly get their minimum wage? I can't really see what this has to do with the EU really, or at least how it is made worse by the EU. However, as a result of free movement of labour, there is nothing stopping this Slovakian trucker from working for a British haulier and earning a lot more than he currently is for doing the same work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

when i work in europe for a uk company i get paid at a rate comensurate with uk wages and not at the host country rate and it's a good screw .... what's your point caller?

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

From what I understand, UK haulage companies are finding there is a real shortage in drivers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From reading the bbc website it seems the opposite compared to what the op stated.

Under EU law drivers who are posted away from home have to be paid the host nations wage rates and have 45 hrs a week away from their trucks. It's the haulage companies that are breaking the rules and laws and government's around western europe have been very slow at tackling it.

It's not EU law that's allowing this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"EU rules state that a driver posted temporarily away from home should be ''guaranteed'' the host nation's ''minimum rates of pay'' and conditions. But companies can exploit loopholes in the law."


"According to EU law, drivers must take 45 hours weekly rest away from their cabs, but governments have been slow to enforce it."

Saying EU law is allowing this is simply lying , yes there seems to be loopholes that need to be closed but to state the EU is allowing this is just plain wrong.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

I was speaking to a Bulgarian truck driver delivering to.one of my clients the other month.

He'd set out from Bulgaria, delivered to Germany, picked up a load of Ford engines up from Cologne, delivered these to Lincolnshire and was picking a load up to go to Spain. Which is a long way from home in Bulgaria!

You don't stand too close for too long!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From what I understand, UK haulage companies are finding there is a real shortage in drivers. "
In reality though this is not the case . If it were there will be lots of under utilised vehicles . In some cases companies find it difficult to recruit high quality drivers .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One of the "reasons" cited by the remain side was to protect workers rights under EU laws. It is (correctly) something that should be part of the negotiations fir brexit.

Anyone watching Victoria Derbyshire? It seems EU rules are allowing Slovakian HGV drivers to drive all over Germany, Denmark, UK etc at £400 month......or less, rather than paying at least the minimum wage applicable to the country they are in.

It applies to UK companies...they have to pay our min wage (or more) regardless of where driving. But Eastern Europe drivers are undercutting Western European companies and driving down wages.

Currently we cannot do anything to prevent this happening in the UK because EU laws apply."
There can also be a considerable variation between driving standards of the drivers from various different countries . The tests are not identical in each.

Companies employing drivers from abroad quite often have higher rates of accident damage .

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"From what I understand, UK haulage companies are finding there is a real shortage in drivers. In reality though this is not the case . If it were there will be lots of under utilised vehicles . In some cases companies find it difficult to recruit high quality drivers . "

Pat, you have said it's not the case, and then said it is the case. Make your mind up, which is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From what I understand, UK haulage companies are finding there is a real shortage in drivers. In reality though this is not the case . If it were there will be lots of under utilised vehicles . In some cases companies find it difficult to recruit high quality drivers .

Pat, you have said it's not the case, and then said it is the case. Make your mind up, which is it?

"

He was quoting the first bit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One of the "reasons" cited by the remain side was to protect workers rights under EU laws. It is (correctly) something that should be part of the negotiations fir brexit.

Anyone watching Victoria Derbyshire? It seems EU rules are allowing Slovakian HGV drivers to drive all over Germany, Denmark, UK etc at £400 month......or less, rather than paying at least the minimum wage applicable to the country they are in.

It applies to UK companies...they have to pay our min wage (or more) regardless of where driving. But Eastern Europe drivers are undercutting Western European companies and driving down wages.

Currently we cannot do anything to prevent this happening in the UK because EU laws apply. There can also be a considerable variation between driving standards of the drivers from various different countries . The tests are not identical in each.

Companies employing drivers from abroad quite often have higher rates of accident damage . "

""Companies employing drivers from abroad quite often have higher rates of accident damage""

Like the Lorry with foreign driver who crossed the forth road bridge on Tuesday when the bridge hazard lights said NO lorries due to high winds, he ignored, drove across and the lorry was blown onto its side, bridge closed both ways for 6 hours

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"From what I understand, UK haulage companies are finding there is a real shortage in drivers. In reality though this is not the case . If it were there will be lots of under utilised vehicles . In some cases companies find it difficult to recruit high quality drivers .

Pat, you have said it's not the case, and then said it is the case. Make your mind up, which is it?

He was quoting the first bit"

But aren't 'real shortage of drivers' and 'cant recruit enough drivers' the same thing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From what I understand, UK haulage companies are finding there is a real shortage in drivers. In reality though this is not the case . If it were there will be lots of under utilised vehicles . In some cases companies find it difficult to recruit high quality drivers .

Pat, you have said it's not the case, and then said it is the case. Make your mind up, which is it?

He was quoting the first bit

But aren't 'real shortage of drivers' and 'cant recruit enough drivers' the same thing? "

Yes but that isn't what he said.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"From what I understand, UK haulage companies are finding there is a real shortage in drivers. In reality though this is not the case . If it were there will be lots of under utilised vehicles . In some cases companies find it difficult to recruit high quality drivers .

Pat, you have said it's not the case, and then said it is the case. Make your mind up, which is it?

He was quoting the first bit

But aren't 'real shortage of drivers' and 'cant recruit enough drivers' the same thing?

Yes but that isn't what he said."

I'm confused then!

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes


"From what I understand, UK haulage companies are finding there is a real shortage in drivers. In reality though this is not the case . If it were there will be lots of under utilised vehicles . In some cases companies find it difficult to recruit high quality drivers .

Pat, you have said it's not the case, and then said it is the case. Make your mind up, which is it?

He was quoting the first bit

But aren't 'real shortage of drivers' and 'cant recruit enough drivers' the same thing?

Yes but that isn't what he said.

I'm confused then! "
Quote of the week lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is a common problems all over from what i see.

The EU needs to crack down on its lobbyists, theres something like 35,000 people working in that industry in Brussels, business then lobbies EU for? laws that work for them, because of the size of the EU and its variations between 28 countries the loop hole possibilities are endless the solution is more integration and tighter rules on lobbyists and euro MPs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its just another form of things like Facebook and Starbucks increasing profits at the expense of the people

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