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"i think the problem is there are so many hardline tories down they want out... but forget about the consequences for the regions.... mays speech at the scottish tory conference did not help! and when she said that some powers would come back to westminster I did recoil, even from this side of the border... and the interview where she said there should be a renegoiation of all the regional assemblies because of brexit was a bad move... for example when they are asked about northern ireland there answer is "don't care" when asked about the consequence for scotland.. again, don't care.... thats why now i think we should have a federal uk.... where each part has there own autonomy... i wonder if this will also be the thing that makes may snap and call the early election....." This is exactly what my father in law wants a federal state. | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long " not quite... she wants to hold the referendum BEFORE Any UK government actually leaves the EU.... so in effect what is going to happen which would be quite smart is that the scottish people will get some better idea of the the "leave" deal will look like than the rest of us will...... | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long not quite... she wants to hold the referendum BEFORE Any UK government actually leaves the EU.... so in effect what is going to happen which would be quite smart is that the scottish people will get some better idea of the the "leave" deal will look like than the rest of us will...... " lol, won't they tell us?  | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long " Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long not quite... she wants to hold the referendum BEFORE Any UK government actually leaves the EU.... so in effect what is going to happen which would be quite smart is that the scottish people will get some better idea of the the "leave" deal will look like than the rest of us will...... " Quite a smart move on Ms Sturgeons part. | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored." this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... | |||
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"Interesting and unwelcome effects of Brexit. Indyref 2 on the way in Scotland Serious upheaval in N Ireland What a sorry state of affairs if the vote for change last year unintentionally also breaks up the United Kingdom. What a legacy for PM May - economic chaos and a break up of the Union and all because she was unwilling to try to carry the country as a whole towards a new future." She is trying to carry the country as a whole | |||
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"Interesting and unwelcome effects of Brexit. Indyref 2 on the way in Scotland Serious upheaval in N Ireland What a sorry state of affairs if the vote for change last year unintentionally also breaks up the United Kingdom. What a legacy for PM May - economic chaos and a break up of the Union and all because she was unwilling to try to carry the country as a whole towards a new future. She is trying to carry the country as a whole "Well, she's not doing a very good job of it, is she? | |||
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"And remember, the SNP talk for the SNP, and not the whole of Scotland." You need to remember that the SNP has a huge membership throughout Scotland and that's before people like myself who support the SNP but are not actual members are included. | |||
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"The SNP want independence no matter if we were in the EU or not "Of course they do and if the people of Scotland want independance that's fine but to go on pretending that it is anything to do with staying in the EU is laughable and taking the Scottish people for fools. If they had won the last referendum they would have been out of the EU and still waiting to get back in. (Which wouldn't happen) | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... " SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop " Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out  | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... " They danger in a snap election here in Scotland the SNP could increase there mp's remember Labour , Tory and Lib Dems are sitting with 1 mp in Scotland could easily lose them to the SNP and the SNP would be in a stronger position than they are now Mrs May is better to allow a independence referendum to happen and let the Scottish people to decide our future as we made it clear we do not want to leave the EU and single market | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out "yes we are aware of what has been spoken about, but no one expected this announcement today That is why it is "BREAKING NEWS" on all channels | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out "I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK? If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP. | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
yes we are aware of what has been spoken about, but no one expected this announcement today
That is why it is "BREAKING NEWS" on all channels "Yeah i woke up this morning and all news media channels were talking about the UK government and brexit and article 50 now that the FM of Scotland has came out and says she aint bluffing now the news media channels are in full panic stations i see the BBC are already at their bullshit | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
yes we are aware of what has been spoken about, but no one expected this announcement today
That is why it is "BREAKING NEWS" on all channels
Yeah i woke up this morning and all news media channels were talking about the UK government and brexit and article 50 now that the FM of Scotland has came out and says she aint bluffing now the news media channels are in full panic stations i see the BBC are already at their bullshit "Yes, BBC at their best. Their version of Project McFear has started already. 2014 was bad enough. Hate to think how biased they'll be this time round. | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP."I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty | |||
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"If they want another referendum let them have one this year not wait till 2018/2019 that just makes for more uncertainty. The sooner we all know where we stand the better." The whole point of waiting til then is so that we can make an informed decision.. by then we should know just what are the consequences of a hard brexit ..it may turn out scotland agrees with brexit plan over indy...to sit back not have the choice and follow brexit blindly could be a disaster  | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty"Well, that was helpful and moved the debate along nicely. 'I don't care'. You sound just like Corbyn. | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty
Well, that was helpful and moved the debate along nicely.
'I don't care'. You sound just like Corbyn." there's no need for that!
Just google 'would Scotland be able to join the EU'
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"If they want another referendum let them have one this year not wait till 2018/2019 that just makes for more uncertainty. The sooner we all know where we stand the better. The whole point of waiting til then is so that we can make an informed decision.. by then we should know just what are the consequences of a hard brexit ..it may turn out scotland agrees with brexit plan over indy...to sit back not have the choice and follow brexit blindly could be a disaster "Yes I know that is the point why should Scotland have the best of both worlds. If Scotland want independence vote on it now and accept the result this time. | |||
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"If they want another referendum let them have one this year not wait till 2018/2019 that just makes for more uncertainty. The sooner we all know where we stand the better. The whole point of waiting til then is so that we can make an informed decision.. by then we should know just what are the consequences of a hard brexit ..it may turn out scotland agrees with brexit plan over indy...to sit back not have the choice and follow brexit blindly could be a disaster
Yes I know that is the point why should Scotland have the best of both worlds. If Scotland want independence vote on it now and accept the result this time. "what a ridiculous statement | |||
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"It's all about timing. She wants this referendum whilst the UK, and therefore Scotland, is still in.the EU. If Mrs May makes her wait until after Brexit, then Scotland will be out of the EU. And getting back in will be a totally different kettle of fish!" You are supposing that the EU would let Scotland stay in the EU alone ? | |||
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"What's Scottish for talking bollocks?" Talkin bollocssssh jimmy  | |||
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"So what could possibly be done for Scotland ? If they want to become separate that's thier choise or not ?" The snp were just using brexit as a grievance. If they got all they wanted would that have given up on the idea of Indy ?? Not one bit !!! | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty" | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty
Spot the Rangers supporter "Who ??? And why are you brining football up ??? | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty
Spot the Rangers supporter
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And why are you brining football up ???"It's all part of the bigotry that exists in Scotland! | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty
Spot the Rangers supporter
Who ???
And why are you brining football up ???
It's all part of the bigotry that exists in Scotland! "Wow!!!! Really !!!  | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty
Spot the Rangers supporter
Who ???
And why are you brining football up ???
It's all part of the bigotry that exists in Scotland!
Wow!!!! Really !!! "Please don't call ME a bigot as you don't know me. Thank you | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty
Spot the Rangers supporter
Who ???
And why are you brining football up ???
It's all part of the bigotry that exists in Scotland! "The wink kind of gives it away. It was intended as a joke. I know humour is fairly rare on the politics forum and most posters prefer to trade insults. Hope that sheds some light on it  | |||
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"If they want another referendum let them have one this year not wait till 2018/2019 that just makes for more uncertainty. The sooner we all know where we stand the better. The whole point of waiting til then is so that we can make an informed decision.. by then we should know just what are the consequences of a hard brexit ..it may turn out scotland agrees with brexit plan over indy...to sit back not have the choice and follow brexit blindly could be a disaster
Yes I know that is the point why should Scotland have the best of both worlds. If Scotland want independence vote on it now and accept the result this time.
what a ridiculous statement "Why Scotland had a vote in 2014 how many do you want? | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty
Spot the Rangers supporter
Who ???
And why are you brining football up ???
It's all part of the bigotry that exists in Scotland!
The wink kind of gives it away. It was intended as a joke.
I know humour is fairly rare on the politics forum and most posters prefer to trade insults. Hope that sheds some light on it "I understand now and thank you for clearing it up for me. If I insult anyone one here I just need to put a wee wink then it is a joke !! | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty
Spot the Rangers supporter
Who ???
And why are you brining football up ???
It's all part of the bigotry that exists in Scotland!
The wink kind of gives it away. It was intended as a joke.
I know humour is fairly rare on the politics forum and most posters prefer to trade insults. Hope that sheds some light on it
I understand now and thank you for clearing it up for me.
If I insult anyone one here I just need to put a wee wink then it is a joke !!"Don't worry, we have it in English football as well. Just not quite on the sectarian levels that you have up there! | |||
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I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty
Spot the Rangers supporter
Who ???
And why are you brining football up ???
It's all part of the bigotry that exists in Scotland!
The wink kind of gives it away. It was intended as a joke.
I know humour is fairly rare on the politics forum and most posters prefer to trade insults. Hope that sheds some light on it
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty
Spot the Rangers supporter
Who ???
And why are you brining football up ???
It's all part of the bigotry that exists in Scotland!
The wink kind of gives it away. It was intended as a joke.
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I understand now and thank you for clearing it up for me.
If I insult anyone one here I just need to put a wee wink then it is a joke !!
Don't worry, we have it in English football as well. Just not quite on the sectarian levels that you have up there! "I do understand this but I am niether a rangers or Celtic supporter and certainly not a bigot. | |||
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"Here is an interesting question Lets remind our self's that Theresa May said she would look to have an agreed position with all 4 nations in the UK Scotland has made it clear it does not agree with the UK government position so should Theresa May just ignore Scotland , Wales and N.Ireland do go ahead with it meaning she lied to everyone in the UK ? " . Ive just spent the morning pointing this very conundrum out to people in the Irish unification thread. The question here is not really that different from what was there. A county (UK) divided by a very contentious fundemental? issue. You can see how nationalism will play out on both sides but in reality neither side has the solution to how you unite a divided populace | |||
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"I'd steal her thunder - offer her a second referendum, but make it now. 2 months time. And you wonder why the Scots, Irish, Welsh and probably lots more European countries now think that English people are so exasperatingly arrogant. The world no longer marches to the beat of the English slave drums and believe it or not, no one really wants English people telling them what they should be thinking and doing. The world can and does get along just fine without the English demanding subservience." Sorry, who's being arrogant? Sounds like Sturgeon is to be honest.... So if she wants a referendum then let her have it.... But now. | |||
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" Why wait for 18 months for a referendum? Surely they have all of the info they need ? " Well obviously we don't and neither do you! Nobody, at this stage has any idea what the implications of Brexit will be. I'm sitting watching the debate in Parliament at the moment and there is no further clarity on whether or what form any deal with the EU is likely to be. As I have said before, the Scottish Government have put froward proposals which, to all intents and purposes, have been ignored or not addressed. Indyref 2 is not necessarily a foregone conclusion and much will depend on the deal that is negotiated with the EU. Having said that, it appears it is unlikely that any of Scotlands proposals are likely to be adopted and therefore Indyref 2 is more of a probability than a possibility. | |||
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But seriously, I think maybe its just you who think the English are arrogant"The Scots want an equal relationship with other EU countries. The Scots understand that being a member of the EU makes them equal partners with full voting rights. The English don't understand what equal partners means because they think that it is impossible for anyone to be equal to the English and that anyone who would want to leave English rule would obviously collapse and fail. Britain long term inability to be a fully functioning EU member is because of our social awkwardness around foreigners who we just cannot accept as being equal to us, let alone being in some sort of governence with us. | |||
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"I'd steal her thunder - offer her a second referendum, but make it now. 2 months time. And you wonder why the Scots, Irish, Welsh and probably lots more European countries now think that English people are so exasperatingly arrogant. The world no longer marches to the beat of the English slave drums and believe it or not, no one really wants English people telling them what they should be thinking and doing. The world can and does get along just fine without the English demanding subservience. Sorry, who's being arrogant? Sounds like Sturgeon is to be honest.... So if she wants a referendum then let her have it.... But now. " Re: arrogance. Read your post, preferably out loud to somebody. Then think about what the term "arrogance" means. Why should English people have the authority to dictate to the Scots just when they should have their referendum? | |||
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" Why Scotland had a vote in 2014 how many do you want? "but one of the major things brought up in the ref last time was that if scotland left, they would not be part of the EU...... now they are being taking out against their wishes.... as long as in any campaign they make it aware of their positions on EU membership i don't have a problem.... its funny enough that people down south say "england this" and "england that".... but us in the north east probably have way more in common with those in holyrood... than we have with those in westminster... last time i was adament that leaving would have been the wrong decision.... now that the landscape has changed i wouldn't begrudge them at all.... | |||
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"I'd steal her thunder - offer her a second referendum, but make it now. 2 months time. And you wonder why the Scots, Irish, Welsh and probably lots more European countries now think that English people are so exasperatingly arrogant. The world no longer marches to the beat of the English slave drums and believe it or not, no one really wants English people telling them what they should be thinking and doing. The world can and does get along just fine without the English demanding subservience. Sorry, who's being arrogant? Sounds like Sturgeon is to be honest.... So if she wants a referendum then let her have it.... But now. Re: arrogance. Read your post, preferably out loud to somebody. Then think about what the term "arrogance" means. Why should English people have the authority to dictate to the Scots just when they should have their referendum?" . Because of parliamentary sovereignty perhaps | |||
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But seriously, I think maybe its just you who think the English are arrogant
The Scots want an equal relationship with other EU countries. The Scots understand that being a member of the EU makes them equal partners with full voting rights. The English don't understand what equal partners means because they think that it is impossible for anyone to be equal to the English and that anyone who would want to leave English rule would obviously collapse and fail. Britain long term inability to be a fully functioning EU member is because of our social awkwardness around foreigners who we just cannot accept as being equal to us, let alone being in some sort of governence with us.". Get real do you really think Slovenia is equal to Germany in the EU?. So you want to dump one union and join another (possibly) because your equal??. Tell me how Scotlands voice will have better representation in the EU parliament, exactly how many Scottish euro mps would they have in Brussels? | |||
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"I'd steal her thunder - offer her a second referendum, but make it now. 2 months time. And you wonder why the Scots, Irish, Welsh and probably lots more European countries now think that English people are so exasperatingly arrogant. The world no longer marches to the beat of the English slave drums and believe it or not, no one really wants English people telling them what they should be thinking and doing. The world can and does get along just fine without the English demanding subservience. Sorry, who's being arrogant? Sounds like Sturgeon is to be honest.... So if she wants a referendum then let her have it.... But now. Re: arrogance. Read your post, preferably out loud to somebody. Then think about what the term "arrogance" means. Why should English people have the authority to dictate to the Scots just when they should have their referendum?. Because of parliamentary sovereignty perhaps "So basically we have to put up a Tory government that we never voted for and are likely to have for the next god knows how long, have to come out of Europe which we don't want to do all in the name of parliamentary sovereignty? Sounds more like tyranny to me. | |||
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"I'd steal her thunder - offer her a second referendum, but make it now. 2 months time. And you wonder why the Scots, Irish, Welsh and probably lots more European countries now think that English people are so exasperatingly arrogant. The world no longer marches to the beat of the English slave drums and believe it or not, no one really wants English people telling them what they should be thinking and doing. The world can and does get along just fine without the English demanding subservience. Sorry, who's being arrogant? Sounds like Sturgeon is to be honest.... So if she wants a referendum then let her have it.... But now. Re: arrogance. Read your post, preferably out loud to somebody. Then think about what the term "arrogance" means. Why should English people have the authority to dictate to the Scots just when they should have their referendum?. Because of parliamentary sovereignty perhaps
So basically we have to put up a Tory government that we never voted for and are likely to have for the next god knows how long, have to come out of Europe which we don't want to do all in the name of parliamentary sovereignty?
Sounds more like tyranny to me.". Its how democracy works, somebody is going to be in the minority, if Scotland votes to leave there will be a minority who didnt. I find it sadder that were unable to find compromise | |||
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But seriously, I think maybe its just you who think the English are arrogant
The Scots want an equal relationship with other EU countries. The Scots understand that being a member of the EU makes them equal partners with full voting rights. The English don't understand what equal partners means because they think that it is impossible for anyone to be equal to the English and that anyone who would want to leave English rule would obviously collapse and fail. Britain long term inability to be a fully functioning EU member is because of our social awkwardness around foreigners who we just cannot accept as being equal to us, let alone being in some sort of governence with us."Social awkwardness around foreigners? Speak for yourself. England is probably the most diverse country in Europe. Ok, lets be equals - for every £100 spent per English head £120 is spent on a Scottish one. Yes it would be good to be equal . Scotland runs a bigger deficit than Greece, who pays for that? Do you really think the EU would let them in? I'm all for them having independance if thats what they want but don't be fooled that this is anything to do with being in the EU, that is naive in the extreme | |||
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" Get real do you really think Slovenia is equal to Germany in the EU?. So you want to dump one union and join another (possibly) because your equal??. Tell me how Scotlands voice will have better representation in the EU parliament, exactly how many Scottish euro mps would they have in Brussels?" Let's put it this way... We are about to leave the EU. Scotland and N Ireland don't want to, but England and Wales do. No matter, neither Parliament, nor any Assembly will have a vote on any final deal - good or bad. All 27 other EU countries will have a vote on the final Brexit deal and none of the devolved Assemblies, not even our own parliament will have a vote. Scotland wants and deserves fair and eqal representation. | |||
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" Get real do you really think Slovenia is equal to Germany in the EU?. So you want to dump one union and join another (possibly) because your equal??. Tell me how Scotlands voice will have better representation in the EU parliament, exactly how many Scottish euro mps would they have in Brussels? Let's put it this way... We are about to leave the EU. Scotland and N Ireland don't want to, but England and Wales do. No matter, neither Parliament, nor any Assembly will have a vote on any final deal - good or bad. All 27 other EU countries will have a vote on the final Brexit deal and none of the devolved Assemblies, not even our own parliament will have a vote. Scotland wants and deserves fair and eqal representation." so how does swapping from 56 out of 600 mps in one union to 6 out of 751 in another union give you fairer representation?. For your attention I'm absolutely for the UK parliament to have a say on brexit, thats because as a union were all represented, however as a welsh person i wouldnt be represented in Scottish parliament so i would be against that | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long not quite... she wants to hold the referendum BEFORE Any UK government actually leaves the EU.... so in effect what is going to happen which would be quite smart is that the scottish people will get some better idea of the the "leave" deal will look like than the rest of us will...... " The added benefit is that maybe an independent Scotland would not have to reapply to join the EU if the UK was still a member? We are living in interesting times. I wish the people of Scotland well-would love to live there if it wasn't so cold ! | |||
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"okay.... ind ref 2 is on... may decided to ignore scotlands compromise........ what next?" I think you will find its the other way round, May has pushed that miserable moaning Scottish midget in to a corner from which she can't get out Well Theresa you are definitely shaping up to being an excellent leader | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long not quite... she wants to hold the referendum BEFORE Any UK government actually leaves the EU.... so in effect what is going to happen which would be quite smart is that the scottish people will get some better idea of the the "leave" deal will look like than the rest of us will...... The added benefit is that maybe an independent Scotland would not have to reapply to join the EU if the UK was still a member? We are living in interesting times. I wish the people of Scotland well-would love to live there if it wasn't so cold ! " How will they get a better idea of the deal, what ever they get to know so will we. I think it's about time that the English had a choice, do we really want to be apart of the wider U.K. Do we want to keep supporting no hope areas like wales. Do we really want that twankie leader from across the border constantly threatening us I don't for sure and would happily put a wall up across the M6 And the M1 and charge the moaning scots to cross it | |||
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"Norway is often lauded as a model society. If Norway can survive and thrive as an independant nation, then so can Scotland. Albeit the whole tax and spend policy would have to be seriously reviewed. it would make Greek austerity look like paradise
Nortway has very high taxes on earnings, fuel, alcohol and tobacco, but it is a very socially balanced nation.
One ironic benefit to England of an independant Scotland could be booze tourism.". It also owns all its oil and gas reserves unlike Scotland who only get a tax on it being brought ashore?. To be honest i dont Scotlands finances well enough to comment however there is a huge difference between Norway and Scotland | |||
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"Norway is often lauded as a model society. If Norway can survive and thrive as an independant nation, then so can Scotland. Albeit the whole tax and spend policy would have to be seriously reviewed. it would make Greek austerity look like paradise
Nortway has very high taxes on earnings, fuel, alcohol and tobacco, but it is a very socially balanced nation.
One ironic benefit to England of an independant Scotland could be booze tourism."Ye but to have high taxes on earnings you have to have high earnings. And the Scottish would vote for high tax on alcohol? | |||
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Nortway has very high taxes on earnings, fuel, alcohol and tobacco, but it is a very socially balanced nation.
One ironic benefit to England of an independant Scotland could be booze tourism."The Finnish shop in Norway, the Norwegian state controlled wine shops are way too expensive so they get the ferry ? to Sweden and stock up, and the swedes shop in holland. Alll because the not liberal elite want to control people's thoughts wishes aspirations and parties lol | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... SNP are hoping "May" will fight against this, which in turn will draw out more Scots in support what ever way May turns, its a difficult situation This was totally unexpected and caught Westminster on the hop Give over, this has been expected for about 9 months. The SNP have already got an Indy ref 2 propoganda video out
I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you in favour of an independent Scotland or would you prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK?
If you give some reasons for your choice perhaps there could be some debate. At the moment, you just appear to have a down on the SNP.
I don't care. I have a downer on the SNP because of the dishonesty"Nichola sturgeon would do a better job if she actually attempted to run her side of the border, instead of blowing wind through her gummy tit teethed mouth | |||
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"I'd steal her thunder - offer her a second referendum, but make it now. 2 months time. And you wonder why the Scots, Irish, Welsh and probably lots more European countries now think that English people are so exasperatingly arrogant. The world no longer marches to the beat of the English slave drums and believe it or not, no one really wants English people telling them what they should be thinking and doing. The world can and does get along just fine without the English demanding subservience. And thats where the world's gone wrong
But seriously, I think maybe its just you who think the English are arrogant
The Scots want an equal relationship with other EU countries. The Scots understand that being a member of the EU makes them equal partners with full voting rights. The English don't understand what equal partners means because they think that it is impossible for anyone to be equal to the English and that anyone who would want to leave English rule would obviously collapse and fail. Britain long term inability to be a fully functioning EU member is because of our social awkwardness around foreigners who we just cannot accept as being equal to us, let alone being in some sort of governence with us..
Get real do you really think Slovenia is equal to Germany in the EU?.
So you want to dump one union and join another (possibly) because your equal??.
Tell me how Scotlands voice will have better representation in the EU parliament, exactly how many Scottish euro mps would they have in Brussels?"Unfortunately the Euro levies have their heads firmly inside their arse. France and Germany dictate euro decisions. Most of which favour Germany and its high end products, Ask the Greeks if they get an equal deal. Come down to slough and speak with young Spanish who are working here because they can't get a job in Spain | |||
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"Norway is often lauded as a model society. If Norway can survive and thrive as an independant nation, then so can Scotland. Albeit the whole tax and spend policy would have to be seriously reviewed. it would make Greek austerity look like paradise
Nortway has very high taxes on earnings, fuel, alcohol and tobacco, but it is a very socially balanced nation.
One ironic benefit to England of an independant Scotland could be booze tourism..
It also owns all its oil and gas reserves unlike Scotland who only get a tax on it being brought ashore?.
To be honest i dont Scotlands finances well enough to comment however there is a huge difference between Norway and Scotland"Let's be honest Scotland is fucked what ever it votes, Its dammed inside the UK and just a tiny minnow outside of the UK. Nichola would do much better if she shut her mouth up, stopped whinging and hot on with trying to make Scotland a successful booming economy | |||
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"Norway is often lauded as a model society. If Norway can survive and thrive as an independant nation, then so can Scotland. Albeit the whole tax and spend policy would have to be seriously reviewed. it would make Greek austerity look like paradise
Nortway has very high taxes on earnings, fuel, alcohol and tobacco, but it is a very socially balanced nation.
One ironic benefit to England of an independant Scotland could be booze tourism..
It also owns all its oil and gas reserves unlike Scotland who only get a tax on it being brought ashore?.
To be honest i dont Scotlands finances well enough to comment however there is a huge difference between Norway and Scotland"What is the difference? Try to avoid thinking like an English person who has watched the Empire crumble away whilst constantly telling the former colonies that they could not possibly manage on their own. Truly, the world does not need English arrogance anymore. It is that deep rooted, festering arrogance that Brexit has brought to the surface and it will cause even more problems than we are seeing now. Watch the Mail, Express and Sun start to whip up their disciples with blazing hate and anger against Scottish indepedants, French and German Europhiles and indeed anything that stands in the way of the will of the English bravehearts. | |||
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"Norway is often lauded as a model society. If Norway can survive and thrive as an independant nation, then so can Scotland. Albeit the whole tax and spend policy would have to be seriously reviewed. it would make Greek austerity look like paradise
Nortway has very high taxes on earnings, fuel, alcohol and tobacco, but it is a very socially balanced nation.
One ironic benefit to England of an independant Scotland could be booze tourism..
It also owns all its oil and gas reserves unlike Scotland who only get a tax on it being brought ashore?.
To be honest i dont Scotlands finances well enough to comment however there is a huge difference between Norway and Scotland
What is the difference?
Try to avoid thinking like an English person who has watched the Empire crumble away whilst constantly telling the former colonies that they could not possibly manage on their own.
Truly, the world does not need English arrogance anymore. It is that deep rooted, festering arrogance that Brexit has brought to the surface and it will cause even more problems than we are seeing now.
Watch the Mail, Express and Sun start to whip up their disciples with blazing hate and anger against Scottish indepedants, French and German Europhiles and indeed anything that stands in the way of the will of the English bravehearts. "He's Welsh | |||
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Nortway has very high taxes on earnings, fuel, alcohol and tobacco, but it is a very socially balanced nation.
One ironic benefit to England of an independant Scotland could be booze tourism.
Ye but to have high taxes on earnings you have to have high earnings. And the Scottish would vote for high tax on alcohol? "Living at home with Mum and Dad is easy, cheap and cozy. Moving out and rowing your own boat is always going to be more difficult and more expensive, but invariably it is also very much more satisfying. Particularly so, when Mum and Dad constantly tell you that you will never do anything for yourself and you are not good enough or clever enough to make it on your own. | |||
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"Norway is often lauded as a model society. If Norway can survive and thrive as an independant nation, then so can Scotland. Albeit the whole tax and spend policy would have to be seriously reviewed. it would make Greek austerity look like paradise
Nortway has very high taxes on earnings, fuel, alcohol and tobacco, but it is a very socially balanced nation.
One ironic benefit to England of an independant Scotland could be booze tourism.
Ye but to have high taxes on earnings you have to have high earnings. And the Scottish would vote for high tax on alcohol?
Living at home with Mum and Dad is easy, cheap and cozy. Moving out and rowing your own boat is always going to be more difficult and more expensive, but invariably it is also very much more satisfying. Particularly so, when Mum and Dad constantly tell you that you will never do anything for yourself and you are not good enough or clever enough to make it on your own."Like the UK leaving the EU you mean? | |||
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"Norway is often lauded as a model society. If Norway can survive and thrive as an independant nation, then so can Scotland. Albeit the whole tax and spend policy would have to be seriously reviewed. it would make Greek austerity look like paradise
Nortway has very high taxes on earnings, fuel, alcohol and tobacco, but it is a very socially balanced nation.
One ironic benefit to England of an independant Scotland could be booze tourism..
It also owns all its oil and gas reserves unlike Scotland who only get a tax on it being brought ashore?.
To be honest i dont Scotlands finances well enough to comment however there is a huge difference between Norway and Scotland
What is the difference?
Try to avoid thinking like an English person who has watched the Empire crumble away whilst constantly telling the former colonies that they could not possibly manage on their own.
Truly, the world does not need English arrogance anymore. It is that deep rooted, festering arrogance that Brexit has brought to the surface and it will cause even more problems than we are seeing now.
Watch the Mail, Express and Sun start to whip up their disciples with blazing hate and anger against Scottish indepedants, French and German Europhiles and indeed anything that stands in the way of the will of the English bravehearts.
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" How will they get a better idea of the deal, what ever they get to know so will we. " difference is is that for example in 18 months time.. if there is an outline of a deal, or looks like there is no deal... then we will likely know... its not going to kept in wraps till they present it to parliament to vote on.... and they can take that into consideration when they decide on independence or not..... like i said... i think there are a fair few who actually secretly want no deal, just so they in public can still blame everyone else! | |||
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" Like the UK leaving the EU you mean?" ....... and with leaving comes potential consequences.... and this may just be the first.... | |||
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" So basically we have to put up a Tory government that we never voted for and are likely to have for the next god knows how long, have to come out of Europe which we don't want to do all in the name of parliamentary sovereignty? Sounds more like tyranny to me." Well if Scotland had voted Labour instead of SNP, would that still be the case? | |||
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"It's all about timing. She wants this referendum whilst the UK, and therefore Scotland, is still in.the EU. If Mrs May makes her wait until after Brexit, then Scotland will be out of the EU. And getting back in will be a totally different kettle of fish!" It's not only the EU Scotland could have trouble joining as an independent nation (as Spain said they would veto it). Today the secretary general of Nato said if Scotland votes for independence then they will be out of Nato and they will have to apply to rejoin as a separate country. | |||
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"It's all about timing. She wants this referendum whilst the UK, and therefore Scotland, is still in.the EU. If Mrs May makes her wait until after Brexit, then Scotland will be out of the EU. And getting back in will be a totally different kettle of fish! It's not only the EU Scotland could have trouble joining as an independent nation (as Spain said they would veto it). Today the secretary general of Nato said if Scotland votes for independence then they will be out of Nato and they will have to apply to rejoin as a separate country. " Ye but they have Mel Gibson | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long not quite... she wants to hold the referendum BEFORE Any UK government actually leaves the EU.... so in effect what is going to happen which would be quite smart is that the scottish people will get some better idea of the the "leave" deal will look like than the rest of us will The added benefit is that maybe an independent Scotland would not have to reapply to join the EU if the UK was still a member? We are living in interesting times. I wish the people of Scotland well-would love to live there if it wasn't so cold ! How will they get a better idea of the deal, what ever they get to know so will we. I think it's about time that the English had a choice, do we really want to be apart of the wider U.K. Do we want to keep supporting no hope areas like wales. Do we really want that twankie leader from across the border constantly threatening us I don't for sure and would happily put a wall up across the M6 And the M1 and charge the moaning scots to cross it" No need to worry, we would build the wall ourselves and keep ignorant people like you out.where do you get the idea we threaten you constantly. This isn't about the English people, it's about getting away from a Westminster government we never voted for. We are sick to the back teeth of constant Tory austerity governments. If you hate the scots so much then rally together and get a vote to get rid of the scots from the uk. I and half of Scotland would help you. | |||
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"Norway is often lauded as a model society. If Norway can survive and thrive as an independant nation, then so can Scotland. Albeit the whole tax and spend policy would have to be seriously reviewed. it would make Greek austerity look like paradise
Nortway has very high taxes on earnings, fuel, alcohol and tobacco, but it is a very socially balanced nation.
One ironic benefit to England of an independant Scotland could be booze tourism..
It also owns all its oil and gas reserves unlike Scotland who only get a tax on it being brought ashore?.
To be honest i dont Scotlands finances well enough to comment however there is a huge difference between Norway and Scotland
What is the difference?
Try to avoid thinking like an English person who has watched the Empire crumble away whilst constantly telling the former colonies that they could not possibly manage on their own.
Truly, the world does not need English arrogance anymore. It is that deep rooted, festering arrogance that Brexit has brought to the surface and it will cause even more problems than we are seeing now.
Watch the Mail, Express and Sun start to whip up their disciples with blazing hate and anger against Scottish indepedants, French and German Europhiles and indeed anything that stands in the way of the will of the English bravehearts. "England voted to Leave the EU, along with Wales. For all of your thunder and bluster on this thread about Scotland being dragged out of the EU against its will, should England and Wales be kept in the EU against their will? It seems to be the nub of what you are saying. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own parliaments and assemblies, England don't have any of this, don't you think this is unfair on the English? Scotland benefit more than the English, Welsh and Northern Irish in the Barnet formula, don't you think this is unfair? Let Scotland have their Indy ref 2, there is no guarantee the SNP will win. The economic case for Scotland is worse now than it was in 2014 indy ref 1 after the oil price tanked, and many SNP voters voted to leave the overbearing, interfering, meddling EU on 23rd June 2016, the idea of rule by Brussels is just as repugnant as rule by London to many of them. | |||
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" So basically we have to put up a Tory government that we never voted for and are likely to have for the next god knows how long, have to come out of Europe which we don't want to do all in the name of parliamentary sovereignty? Sounds more like tyranny to me. Well if Scotland had voted Labour instead of SNP, would that still be the case? " Labour got destroyed in Scotland for standing with the Tories in the last referendum. Council elections in may will see them all but decimated in Scotland. Bring it on. | |||
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"Norway is often lauded as a model society. If Norway can survive and thrive as an independant nation, then so can Scotland. Albeit the whole tax and spend policy would have to be seriously reviewed. it would make Greek austerity look like paradise
Nortway has very high taxes on earnings, fuel, alcohol and tobacco, but it is a very socially balanced nation.
One ironic benefit to England of an independant Scotland could be booze tourism..
It also owns all its oil and gas reserves unlike Scotland who only get a tax on it being brought ashore?.
To be honest i dont Scotlands finances well enough to comment however there is a huge difference between Norway and Scotland
What is the difference?
Try to avoid thinking like an English person who has watched the Empire crumble away whilst constantly telling the former colonies that they could not possibly manage on their own.
Truly, the world does not need English arrogance anymore. It is that deep rooted, festering arrogance that Brexit has brought to the surface and it will cause even more problems than we are seeing now.
Watch the Mail, Express and Sun start to whip up their disciples with blazing hate and anger against Scottish indepedants, French and German Europhiles and indeed anything that stands in the way of the will of the English bravehearts.
He's Welsh ". It seems lost on some people today .
More nationalisit clap trap yak yak yak just what we need right now.
I was just pointing out that your assertion that Scotland and Norway were similar is false,i really honestly dont care what the daily mail will write | |||
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"Norway is often lauded as a model society. If Norway can survive and thrive as an independant nation, then so can Scotland. Albeit the whole tax and spend policy would have to be seriously reviewed. it would make Greek austerity look like paradise
Nortway has very high taxes on earnings, fuel, alcohol and tobacco, but it is a very socially balanced nation.
One ironic benefit to England of an independant Scotland could be booze tourism..
It also owns all its oil and gas reserves unlike Scotland who only get a tax on it being brought ashore?.
To be honest i dont Scotlands finances well enough to comment however there is a huge difference between Norway and Scotland
What is the difference?
Try to avoid thinking like an English person who has watched the Empire crumble away whilst constantly telling the former colonies that they could not possibly manage on their own.
Truly, the world does not need English arrogance anymore. It is that deep rooted, festering arrogance that Brexit has brought to the surface and it will cause even more problems than we are seeing now.
Watch the Mail, Express and Sun start to whip up their disciples with blazing hate and anger against Scottish indepedants, French and German Europhiles and indeed anything that stands in the way of the will of the English bravehearts.
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"If they want another referendum let them have one this year not wait till 2018/2019 that just makes for more uncertainty. The sooner we all know where we stand the better. The whole point of waiting til then is so that we can make an informed decision.. by then we should know just what are the consequences of a hard brexit ..it may turn out scotland agrees with brexit plan over indy...to sit back not have the choice and follow brexit blindly could be a disaster "The smartest option | |||
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"I'd steal her thunder - offer her a second referendum, but make it now. 2 months time. And you wonder why the Scots, Irish, Welsh and probably lots more European countries now think that English people are so exasperatingly arrogant. The world no longer marches to the beat of the English slave drums and believe it or not, no one really wants English people telling them what they should be thinking and doing. The world can and does get along just fine without the English demanding subservience. And thats where the world's gone wrong
But seriously, I think maybe its just you who think the English are arrogant
The Scots want an equal relationship with other EU countries. The Scots understand that being a member of the EU makes them equal partners with full voting rights. The English don't understand what equal partners means because they think that it is impossible for anyone to be equal to the English and that anyone who would want to leave English rule would obviously collapse and fail. Britain long term inability to be a fully functioning EU member is because of our social awkwardness around foreigners who we just cannot accept as being equal to us, let alone being in some sort of governence with us."Equal partners? Really? How does that work in an EU parliament vote then? | |||
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"I'd steal her thunder - offer her a second referendum, but make it now. 2 months time. And you wonder why the Scots, Irish, Welsh and probably lots more European countries now think that English people are so exasperatingly arrogant. The world no longer marches to the beat of the English slave drums and believe it or not, no one really wants English people telling them what they should be thinking and doing. The world can and does get along just fine without the English demanding subservience. Sorry, who's being arrogant? Sounds like Sturgeon is to be honest.... So if she wants a referendum then let her have it.... But now. Re: arrogance. Read your post, preferably out loud to somebody. Then think about what the term "arrogance" means. Why should English people have the authority to dictate to the Scots just when they should have their referendum?" Re: arrogance. You do understand that it is a UK parliament, don't you? Its called parliamentary powers. Re:arrogance... Sturgeon expects a country if 4 million people dictate to a union of 68 million. | |||
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"I'd steal her thunder - offer her a second referendum, but make it now. 2 months time. And you wonder why the Scots, Irish, Welsh and probably lots more European countries now think that English people are so exasperatingly arrogant. The world no longer marches to the beat of the English slave drums and believe it or not, no one really wants English people telling them what they should be thinking and doing. The world can and does get along just fine without the English demanding subservience. Sorry, who's being arrogant? Sounds like Sturgeon is to be honest.... So if she wants a referendum then let her have it.... But now. Re: arrogance. Read your post, preferably out loud to somebody. Then think about what the term "arrogance" means. Why should English people have the authority to dictate to the Scots just when they should have their referendum? Re: arrogance. You do understand that it is a UK parliament, don't you? Its called parliamentary powers. Re:arrogance... Sturgeon expects a country if 4 million people dictate to a union of 68 million. Yes, I do. However, Scotland has its own assembly, and she appears to be trying to get the best deal for Scotland. I'm not entirely sure how it is dictating to the rest of the union though - she isn't saying that England shouldn't leave the EU, is she? If you don't do what the SNP want, then we'll look to become independent. " Again, she isn't asking that we remain in the EU, is she? Shes asking for details of Brexit which is a perfectly reasonable thing to want, isn't it? | |||
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"Norway is often lauded as a model society. If Norway can survive and thrive as an independant nation, then so can Scotland." And the UK! At last you finally understand our faith in Brexit Welcome aboard the good ship optimist | |||
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"Scotland could look to tax revenue from North Sea Oil from 91% of the UK oil fields. Last time, their often derided fiscal strategy was worked out on $110 per barrel. As of this morning, oil stood at $51 a barrel. Oil extraction has been falling by 15% a year. How is Scotland going to make up this huge financial shortfall? Their share of the national debt, estimated at around £50 billion will have to be considered. 6000 quality jobs at Faslane will go, when they either eject us or we leave. Nationalist rhetoric is all well and good, until the practicalities get in the way. Prepare for a very hard and bitter battle. " How will London cope with paying the oil reparations? | |||
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" Also no mention from Sturgeon of Scottish territorial fishing waters being claimed back from the EU when Brexit is completed which will boost the Scottish economy and the UK economy and more jobs for Scottish workers in this industry. " funny you should mention this centaur.... because what may HAS said on this subject so far is that fishing even thought it is done in scottish territorial waters WON'T be devolved to the scottish administration... and because of brexit, and the effect it will have she is looking at possible bringing some of the powers that were devolved to holyrood back to westminster.... | |||
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" Also no mention from Sturgeon of Scottish territorial fishing waters being claimed back from the EU when Brexit is completed which will boost the Scottish economy and the UK economy and more jobs for Scottish workers in this industry. funny you should mention this centaur.... because what may HAS said on this subject so far is that fishing even thought it is done in scottish territorial waters WON'T be devolved to the scottish administration... and because of brexit, and the effect it will have she is looking at possible bringing some of the powers that were devolved to holyrood back to westminster.... " it proves the Scotland act is aload of shite. | |||
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" Why Scotland had a vote in 2014 how many do you want?
but one of the major things brought up in the ref last time was that if scotland left, they would not be part of the EU......
now they are being taking out against their wishes....
as long as in any campaign they make it aware of their positions on EU membership i don't have a problem....
its funny enough that people down south say "england this" and "england that".... but us in the north east probably have way more in common with those in holyrood... than we have with those in westminster...
last time i was adament that leaving would have been the wrong decision.... now that the landscape has changed i wouldn't begrudge them at all....
"I don't begrudge Scotland or any other country having a referendum but we don't need 18 months notice causing more division and uncertainty we could all do without. I could be wrong but I thought the whole of the UK joined the EU and the whole of the UK must leave the EU together at the same time. | |||
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" Also no mention from Sturgeon of Scottish territorial fishing waters being claimed back from the EU when Brexit is completed which will boost the Scottish economy and the UK economy and more jobs for Scottish workers in this industry. funny you should mention this centaur.... because what may HAS said on this subject so far is that fishing even thought it is done in scottish territorial waters WON'T be devolved to the scottish administration... and because of brexit, and the effect it will have she is looking at possible bringing some of the powers that were devolved to holyrood back to westminster.... " Scottish fishing waters is a card that May is apparently willing to trade in her EU negotiations. I hope that the Scottish fishermen that voted for Brexit in the hope of getting unfettered access to the fishing grounds remember that she was willing to stab them in the back when it comes to the next indyref. | |||
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" Also no mention from Sturgeon of Scottish territorial fishing waters being claimed back from the EU when Brexit is completed which will boost the Scottish economy and the UK economy and more jobs for Scottish workers in this industry. funny you should mention this centaur.... because what may HAS said on this subject so far is that fishing even thought it is done in scottish territorial waters WON'T be devolved to the scottish administration... and because of brexit, and the effect it will have she is looking at possible bringing some of the powers that were devolved to holyrood back to westminster.... " Key phrase in your post Fabio is "what May HAS said on this subject so far", so that means May could change what she has said so far, and could offer Scotland devolved powers over Scottish territorial fishing waters in future. To keep Scotland in the UK 'IF' an indy ref 2 is called Teresa May could offer many more devolved powers to Scotland that can be reclaimed from the EU as a result of Brexit besides control over territorial fishing waters. | |||
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" Why Scotland had a vote in 2014 how many do you want?
but one of the major things brought up in the ref last time was that if scotland left, they would not be part of the EU......
now they are being taking out against their wishes....
as long as in any campaign they make it aware of their positions on EU membership i don't have a problem....
its funny enough that people down south say "england this" and "england that".... but us in the north east probably have way more in common with those in holyrood... than we have with those in westminster...
last time i was adament that leaving would have been the wrong decision.... now that the landscape has changed i wouldn't begrudge them at all....
I don't begrudge Scotland or any other country having a referendum but we don't need 18 months notice causing more division and uncertainty we could all do without. I could be wrong but I thought the whole of the UK joined the EU and the whole of the UK must leave the EU together at the same time."Correct. That is what the Supreme court ruled in the court case and is why the supreme court judges said unanimously that the devolved parliaments should not get a say on Brexit, only the UK Parliament in Westminster must decide on EU matters for the whole of the UK as it was the UK Parliament in Westminster who joined the EU. | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... They danger in a snap election here in Scotland the SNP could increase there mp's remember Labour , Tory and Lib Dems are sitting with 1 mp in Scotland could easily lose them to the SNP and the SNP would be in a stronger position than they are now Mrs May is better to allow a independence referendum to happen and let the Scottish people to decide our future as we made it clear we do not want to leave the EU and single market When there is another election, the snp will lose seats, because the Scots by august 2018, will have a reality that they won't get into Europe The last thing the EU wants now, joining their ranks is another Greece, ns has gone on about independence like a vanity project. Where are all her facts and figures of how Scotland will Fund itself, or is she relying on oil getting to 200 dollars a barrel? If anybody listened to the commons budget debate tonight, Boris Johnston and Liam fox are going to get Scottish whisky a bigger percentage in exports to India. India according to them is the biggest whisky market in the world and the Scots make the best whisky, the current export is 4% they are going to get or try to get 15% that's a lot more Scottish jobs, unfortunately, Scotland could not do that if it was in the EU, due to trade barriers. Unlike Britain who won't be shackled by EU regs. Where is David Cameron promise of an oil boom he promised that in 2014 still waiting" It was Alex Salmond who promised the oil price would remain the same or go higher. Then after indy ref 1 the oil priced sank like a lead balloon. | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long not quite... she wants to hold the referendum BEFORE Any UK government actually leaves the EU.... so in effect what is going to happen which would be quite smart is that the scottish people will get some better idea of the the "leave" deal will look like than the rest of us will The added benefit is that maybe an independent Scotland would not have to reapply to join the EU if the UK was still a member? We are living in interesting times. I wish the people of Scotland well-would love to live there if it wasn't so cold ! How will they get a better idea of the deal, what ever they get to know so will we. I think it's about time that the English had a choice, do we really want to be apart of the wider U.K. Do we want to keep supporting no hope areas like wales. Do we really want that twankie leader from across the border constantly threatening us I don't for sure and would happily put a wall up across the M6 And the M1 and charge the moaning scots to cross it No need to worry, we would build the wall ourselves and keep ignorant people like you out.where do you get the idea we threaten you constantly. This isn't about the English people, it's about getting away from a Westminster government we never voted for. We are sick to the back teeth of constant Tory austerity governments. If you hate the scots so much then rally together and get a vote to get rid of the scots from the uk. I and half of Scotland would help you. " Most of the north of England hate the torys just as much as you, but until another party comes along with a decent leader we are all stuck with them. | |||
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"okay.... ind ref 2 is on... may decided to ignore scotlands compromise........ what next?" Yet more taxpayer's cash down the drain...! | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long Because the terms of Brexit are as yet unknown. The Scottish government has already put forward compromise proposals of what it would like to see in Brexit but this has so far been ignored. this has all been brought on by may herself...... and listening to the hardline stance of the southern tories.... I think may "may" go for an early election now to try and shore up the majority it has..... They danger in a snap election here in Scotland the SNP could increase there mp's remember Labour , Tory and Lib Dems are sitting with 1 mp in Scotland could easily lose them to the SNP and the SNP would be in a stronger position than they are now Mrs May is better to allow a independence referendum to happen and let the Scottish people to decide our future as we made it clear we do not want to leave the EU and single market When there is another election, the snp will lose seats, because the Scots by august 2018, will have a reality that they won't get into Europe The last thing the EU wants now, joining their ranks is another Greece, ns has gone on about independence like a vanity project. Where are all her facts and figures of how Scotland will Fund itself, or is she relying on oil getting to 200 dollars a barrel? If anybody listened to the commons budget debate tonight, Boris Johnston and Liam fox are going to get Scottish whisky a bigger percentage in exports to India. India according to them is the biggest whisky market in the world and the Scots make the best whisky, the current export is 4% they are going to get or try to get 15% that's a lot more Scottish jobs, unfortunately, Scotland could not do that if it was in the EU, due to trade barriers. Unlike Britain who won't be shackled by EU regs. Where is David Cameron promise of an oil boom he promised that in 2014 still waiting It was Alex Salmond who promised the oil price would remain the same or go higher. Then after indy ref 1 the oil priced sank like a lead balloon. " David Cameron promised a oil boom for the UK where is that ? another lie you wonder why the Tories are taking the line of sayign yes their could be a 2nd independence referendum but its should their be one thats the pish coming fromt he Tories as they know they are fucked | |||
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"Just heared the news sturgeon want to hold a ref but not until 2019 ? Why wait so long not quite... she wants to hold the referendum BEFORE Any UK government actually leaves the EU.... so in effect what is going to happen which would be quite smart is that the scottish people will get some better idea of the the "leave" deal will look like than the rest of us will...... The added benefit is that maybe an independent Scotland would not have to reapply to join the EU if the UK was still a member? We are living in interesting times. I wish the people of Scotland well-would love to live there if it wasn't so cold ! How will they get a better idea of the deal, what ever they get to know so will we. I think it's about time that the English had a choice, do we really want to be apart of the wider U.K. Do we want to keep supporting no hope areas like wales. Do we really want that twankie leader from across the border constantly threatening us I don't for sure and would happily put a wall up across the M6 And the M1 and charge the moaning scots to cross it" Following your logic, why should the south east support you lot in Stoke, or Hull or Middlesbrough? | |||
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"I think the snp should start being honest with the scotish people even if scotland got independence before the uk leaves the eu they would still be out of the eu and have to apply to rejoin.There are other states in the queque to join eg montenegro but no new memberships until 2020.Also they wont meet the financial criteria to join so this is just a smoke screen for her to get what she wants whatever the concicences." There is no queue you either meet the criteria for joining the EU or you dont. the UK as it stands right now is in the EU as member state that means all for 4 nations in the UK all meet the criteria or else the UK would not be in the EU right now. So its clear Scotland do meet the criteria Montenegro do not meet the criteria | |||
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"I think the snp should start being honest with the scotish people even if scotland got independence before the uk leaves the eu they would still be out of the eu and have to apply to rejoin.There are other states in the queque to join eg montenegro but no new memberships until 2020.Also they wont meet the financial criteria to join so this is just a smoke screen for her to get what she wants whatever the concicences. There is no queue you either meet the criteria for joining the EU or you dont. the UK as it stands right now is in the EU as member state that means all for 4 nations in the UK all meet the criteria or else the UK would not be in the EU right now. So its clear Scotland do meet the criteria Montenegro do not meet the criteria " Bless | |||
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"I think the snp should start being honest with the scotish people even if scotland got independence before the uk leaves the eu they would still be out of the eu and have to apply to rejoin.There are other states in the queque to join eg montenegro but no new memberships until 2020.Also they wont meet the financial criteria to join so this is just a smoke screen for her to get what she wants whatever the concicences. There is no queue you either meet the criteria for joining the EU or you dont. the UK as it stands right now is in the EU as member state that means all for 4 nations in the UK all meet the criteria or else the UK would not be in the EU right now. So its clear Scotland do meet the criteria Montenegro do not meet the criteria " The "four nations" do not individually meet the criteria....not by a country mile. But regardless they are not recognised (by the EU, the UN, or any other body) as seperate nations. The UK is a nation....the only one that counts as far as EU membership is concerned. To be a separate nation you need your own currency (or have given it up to join the Euro). Have your own central bank. Full control over ALL international affairs etc.... Scotland has NONE of these. | |||
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"If they want another referendum let them have one this year not wait till 2018/2019 that just makes for more uncertainty. The sooner we all know where we stand the better. The whole point of waiting til then is so that we can make an informed decision.. by then we should know just what are the consequences of a hard brexit ..it may turn out scotland agrees with brexit plan over indy...to sit back not have the choice and follow brexit blindly could be a disaster
Yes I know that is the point why should Scotland have the best of both worlds. If Scotland want independence vote on it now and accept the result this time.
what a ridiculous statement
Why Scotland had a vote in 2014 how many do you want? "A yes, that was a vote to remain in UK to ensure we remained part of EU well that was knowledgeable advice from Westminster wasn't it | |||
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""It's not only the EU Scotland could have trouble joining as an independent nation (as Spain said they would veto it). Today the secretary general of Nato said if Scotland votes for independence then they will be out of Nato and they will have to apply to rejoin as a separate country." Haven't you heard? Project fear is discredited - so yesterday. Its currency has crashed - bit like the pound. A Spanish MEP from the governing party says Scotland in the EC would be fine with Spain (perhaps the fishing fleet had words with their politicians). Whatever is said by any NATO spokesman, Scotland's strategic importance is a crucial part of the alliance's frontier. In fact, NATO needs Scotland more than the other way round and perhaps a post-independence vote on NATO membership would favour neutrality, although England and USA might not be too happy about that prospect. Not just any old Nato spokesperson, it was the secretary general of Nato who said Scotland would be automatically out of Nato if it becomes independent, and that Scotland will have to apply to join Nato as an independent country. And as a member of NATO, be expected to pay your contribution of 2% of your GDP." you mean like all other EU countries who pay 2% care to name all that do, lol | |||
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"I think the snp should start being honest with the scotish people even if scotland got independence before the uk leaves the eu they would still be out of the eu and have to apply to rejoin.There are other states in the queque to join eg montenegro but no new memberships until 2020.Also they wont meet the financial criteria to join so this is just a smoke screen for her to get what she wants whatever the concicences. There is no queue you either meet the criteria for joining the EU or you dont. the UK as it stands right now is in the EU as member state that means all for 4 nations in the UK all meet the criteria or else the UK would not be in the EU right now. So its clear Scotland do meet the criteria Montenegro do not meet the criteria The "four nations" do not individually meet the criteria....not by a country mile. But regardless they are not recognised (by the EU, the UN, or any other body) as seperate nations. The UK is a nation....the only one that counts as far as EU membership is concerned. To be a separate nation you need your own currency (or have given it up to join the Euro). Have your own central bank. Full control over ALL international affairs etc.... Scotland has NONE of these." The UK is a nation ? So the UK is one big country ? not 4 nations/countries in the UK ? You wonder why people are fighting for independence when you see stuff like that. | |||
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"I'd steal her thunder - offer her a second referendum, but make it now. 2 months time. And you wonder why the Scots, Irish, Welsh and probably lots more European countries now think that English people are so exasperatingly arrogant. The world no longer marches to the beat of the English slave drums and believe it or not, no one really wants English people telling them what they should be thinking and doing. The world can and does get along just fine without the English demanding subservience. And thats where the world's gone wrong
But seriously, I think maybe its just you who think the English are arrogant
The Scots want an equal relationship with other EU countries. The Scots understand that being a member of the EU makes them equal partners with full voting rights. The English don't understand what equal partners means because they think that it is impossible for anyone to be equal to the English and that anyone who would want to leave English rule would obviously collapse and fail. Britain long term inability to be a fully functioning EU member is because of our social awkwardness around foreigners who we just cannot accept as being equal to us, let alone being in some sort of governence with us..
Get real do you really think Slovenia is equal to Germany in the EU?.
So you want to dump one union and join another (possibly) because your equal??.
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"If they want another referendum let them have one this year not wait till 2018/2019 that just makes for more uncertainty. The sooner we all know where we stand the better. The whole point of waiting til then is so that we can make an informed decision.. by then we should know just what are the consequences of a hard brexit ..it may turn out scotland agrees with brexit plan over indy...to sit back not have the choice and follow brexit blindly could be a disaster
Yes I know that is the point why should Scotland have the best of both worlds. If Scotland want independence vote on it now and accept the result this time.
what a ridiculous statement
Why Scotland had a vote in 2014 how many do you want?
A yes, that was a vote to remain in UK to ensure we remained part of EU
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"How will they get a better idea of the deal, what ever they get to know so will we. I think it's about time that the English had a choice, do we really want to be apart of the wider U.K. Do we want to keep supporting no hope areas like wales. Do we really want that twankie leader from across the border constantly threatening us I don't for sure and would happily put a wall up across the M6 And the M1 and charge the moaning scots to cross it" This is the simple minded mentality that has divided the UK, simple minded comments like this make it so difficult for countries to work together as ally | |||
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"I think the snp should start being honest with the scotish people even if scotland got independence before the uk leaves the eu they would still be out of the eu and have to apply to rejoin.There are other states in the queque to join eg montenegro but no new memberships until 2020.Also they wont meet the financial criteria to join so this is just a smoke screen for her to get what she wants whatever the concicences. There is no queue you either meet the criteria for joining the EU or you dont. the UK as it stands right now is in the EU as member state that means all for 4 nations in the UK all meet the criteria or else the UK would not be in the EU right now. So its clear Scotland do meet the criteria Montenegro do not meet the criteria The "four nations" do not individually meet the criteria....not by a country mile. But regardless they are not recognised (by the EU, the UN, or any other body) as seperate nations. The UK is a nation....the only one that counts as far as EU membership is concerned. To be a separate nation you need your own currency (or have given it up to join the Euro). Have your own central bank. Full control over ALL international affairs etc.... Scotland has NONE of these. The UK is a nation ? So the UK is one big country ? not 4 nations/countries in the UK ? You wonder why people are fighting for independence when you see stuff like that. " You can check this on the UN website...,there is a list of member countries. You will find the UK there...but NOT Scotland, Wales or N Ireland. I'm not stating an opinion...I'm quoting facts! | |||
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"Lmao the British media ( Sky News ) and the very poor Kay Burley does anyone like her ? See this is how much the British media are panicking and shitting themselves just saw they are reporting Sky sources says Nicola was pushed into it by Alex Salmond erm did not anyone person hear what she said in her statement. She clearly said she is still hoping the UK government respect Scotland's wishes to remain part of the EU and full membership of the single market within the UK if they fail to meet that then Nicola has every right to call for a section 30 order and it would be a big mistake for an unelected PM that stand under no manifesto of her own to block another coutnries mandate" Another country? So, I mis understood the Indy ref result, and Scotland are an independant country, are they? No? So, the UK voted to leave the EU, and that's that. Just as an aside, you know, just for shits and giggles, can anyone tell me how the Scots could afford to be independent, given that " their " primary source of revenue was going to be oil.. until the price tanked? | |||
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""It's not only the EU Scotland could have trouble joining as an independent nation (as Spain said they would veto it). Today the secretary general of Nato said if Scotland votes for independence then they will be out of Nato and they will have to apply to rejoin as a separate country." Haven't you heard? Project fear is discredited - so yesterday. Its currency has crashed - bit like the pound. A Spanish MEP from the governing party says Scotland in the EC would be fine with Spain (perhaps the fishing fleet had words with their politicians). Whatever is said by any NATO spokesman, Scotland's strategic importance is a crucial part of the alliance's frontier. In fact, NATO needs Scotland more than the other way round and perhaps a post-independence vote on NATO membership would favour neutrality, although England and USA might not be too happy about that prospect. Not just any old Nato spokesperson, it was the secretary general of Nato who said Scotland would be automatically out of Nato if it becomes independent, and that Scotland will have to apply to join Nato as an independent country. And as a member of NATO, be expected to pay your contribution of 2% of your GDP. you mean like all other EU countries who pay 2% care to name all that do, lol" Those countries that are not currently meeting their Nato spending commitments of 2% of GDP on defence better start soon because America has lost patience. President Donald Trump has made it clear now all Nato members must honour their Nato spending commitments, USA are sick and tired of picking up the bill on other countries behalf, and that will soon come to an end. If Scotland is allowed to re join Nato as an independent country then Scotland will have to spend 2% of its GDP on defence each year which is a condition of Nato membership. | |||
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"i think the problem is there are so many hardline tories down they want out... but forget about the consequences for the regions.... mays speech at the scottish tory conference did not help! and when she said that some powers would come back to westminster I did recoil, even from this side of the border... and the interview where she said there should be a renegoiation of all the regional assemblies because of brexit was a bad move... for example when they are asked about northern ireland there answer is "don't care" when asked about the consequence for scotland.. again, don't care.... thats why now i think we should have a federal uk.... where each part has there own autonomy... i wonder if this will also be the thing that makes may snap and call the early election....." if she calls an early election, she will win (UK) as no opposition, its perfect time for her and bad time for labour | |||
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"What's Scottish for talking bollocks?" och de nooooh | |||
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"To be seriously pedantic, there are only two nations. Of the other two, one's a province, the other, a principality." actually "An Acte for certaine Ordinaunces in the Kinges Majesties Domynion and Principalitie of Wales" was repealed 22 years ago .... so no, wales is officially a country | |||
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