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"Reason went out the window last year it appears.. 'dogs breakfast' seems to be the likely outcome.. sprinkled with a helping of more divisive, xenophobic rhetoric.. the will of the people, the enemies of the people, the people have spoken.. smile, remain positive but most of all dare not question the mean's, method or costs of the glorious outcome, and all will be well.. or is that game of thrones or the North Korean ideology..? hey ho.. " Its the best chance yet to see the power of positive thinking. | |||
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"Reason went out the window last year it appears.. 'dogs breakfast' seems to be the likely outcome.. sprinkled with a helping of more divisive, xenophobic rhetoric.. the will of the people, the enemies of the people, the people have spoken.. smile, remain positive but most of all dare not question the mean's, method or costs of the glorious outcome, and all will be well.. or is that game of thrones or the North Korean ideology..? hey ho.. Its the best chance yet to see the power of positive thinking." would agree but not sure some want a positive outcome, seems they just want division and isolation amongst other less positive goals.. | |||
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"Check out David Davis appearance before the Brexit committee this morning. Brilliant stuff. Highlights are: They've not done an economic assessment on wether "No deal is better than a bad deal", we probably won't be able to use EHIC if we get sick on holiday, and any deal will be ratified by the parliaments of 27 countries AND trade deals done and dusted within 2 years. I want some of what he's having. " I was amazed when they actually admitted that.. you would have thought that would the last night months they would have looked at all the different eventualities... brexiteers slaughtered the then government for not having a leave plan, even though they didn't have one themselves.... now.... looks like there are no further forward in planning at all... | |||
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"Reason went out the window last year it appears.. 'dogs breakfast' seems to be the likely outcome.. sprinkled with a helping of more divisive, xenophobic rhetoric.. the will of the people, the enemies of the people, the people have spoken.. smile, remain positive but most of all dare not question the mean's, method or costs of the glorious outcome, and all will be well.. or is that game of thrones or the North Korean ideology..? hey ho.. Its the best chance yet to see the power of positive thinking." Homeopathic Brexit. | |||
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-david-davis-no-economic-impact-assess-uk-eu-leave-no-deal-select-committee-a7630626.html
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"Check out David Davis appearance before the Brexit committee this morning. Brilliant stuff. Highlights are: They've not done an economic assessment on wether "No deal is better than a bad deal", we probably won't be able to use EHIC if we get sick on holiday, and any deal will be ratified by the parliaments of 27 countries AND trade deals done and dusted within 2 years. I want some of what he's having. I was amazed when they actually admitted that.. you would have thought that would the last night months they would have looked at all the different eventualities... brexiteers slaughtered the then government for not having a leave plan, even though they didn't have one themselves.... now.... looks like there are no further forward in planning at all..." And it's starting in 2 weeks. I think they are hoping it will be a bit like that show Ground Force. They'll go on holiday for 2 years and while they are away a crack team of trade negotiators, economists and lawyers will have transformed Britain into Brexit utopia. | |||
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"No one will take responsibility for this fuck up. The Govt will blame business for 'not taking on the "opportunities" of Brexit.' Business will blame Govt for ignoring their needs when negotiating Brexit. Brexit voters will say it was Remainers fault for not waving flags, not singing Rule Brittannia and being far to realistic. Ultimately, we will all be worse off - and for what?... Because "it didn't feel like we always had parliamentary sovereignty", even though we did? Or maybe far too many people were so scared of foreigners that they did the least visibly racist thing possible to express it, and voted Brexit." . All true, but we asked for it in a way by ignoring for to many years those voices that went happy | |||
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"No one will take responsibility for this fuck up. The Govt will blame business for 'not taking on the "opportunities" of Brexit.' Business will blame Govt for ignoring their needs when negotiating Brexit. Brexit voters will say it was Remainers fault for not waving flags, not singing Rule Brittannia and being far to realistic. Ultimately, we will all be worse off - and for what?... Because "it didn't feel like we always had parliamentary sovereignty", even though we did? Or maybe far too many people were so scared of foreigners that they did the least visibly racist thing possible to express it, and voted Brexit.. All true, but we asked for it in a way by ignoring for to many years those voices that went happy" Frankly, it's all Camerons fault. He didn't need to call a referendum. He should simply told the Tory Eurosceptics to F* off and join UKIP if you're not happy. I doubt many of them would have had the balls to do so. | |||
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"That's our democracy 45% of Scotland lost the Indy ref, what did they get?. Nothing" No, 100% of Scotland lost the Indy ref! | |||
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"That's our democracy 45% of Scotland lost the Indy ref, what did they get?. Nothing" They will be joining uk in the titanic, lets hope they somehow get independence. | |||
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"Reason went out the window last year it appears.. 'dogs breakfast' seems to be the likely outcome.. sprinkled with a helping of more divisive, xenophobic rhetoric.. the will of the people, the enemies of the people, the people have spoken.. smile, remain positive but most of all dare not question the mean's, method or costs of the glorious outcome, and all will be well.. or is that game of thrones or the North Korean ideology..? hey ho.. " What's to be discussed, it was a simple choice in or out, how much discussion would that ever need. The vote happened the decision was a simple to 1 to leave the EU Bloody hell I wonder ow some of you folks on here ever actually make a decision in normal life. It's like the mess I use to have to deal with trying to negotiate a seasonal rota with TU reps | |||
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"No one will take responsibility for this fuck up. The Govt will blame business for 'not taking on the "opportunities" of Brexit.' Business will blame Govt for ignoring their needs when negotiating Brexit. Brexit voters will say it was Remainers fault for not waving flags, not singing Rule Brittannia and being far to realistic. Ultimately, we will all be worse off - and for what?... Because "it didn't feel like we always had parliamentary sovereignty", even though we did? Or maybe far too many people were so scared of foreigners that they did the least visibly racist thing possible to express it, and voted Brexit.. All true, but we asked for it in a way by ignoring for to many years those voices that went happy Frankly, it's all Camerons fault. He didn't need to call a referendum. He should simply told the Tory Eurosceptics to F* off and join UKIP if you're not happy. I doubt many of them would have had the balls to do so." Or he could have grown some balls a negotiated a decent deal, so the only choice left wasn't the 1 we had to choose. I.E. leave Europe Theresa May is shaping up to be a far more competent leader, who I'm sure will go in history as having done an excellent job for UK PLC. Or we could leave it to widow twankie and the loony nutter from the left and his terrorist loving counterparts Jeremy Corbyn Or why not send in his FB who hates most white males and thinks we should be eradicated Hackney Abbot | |||
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"Its like pre referendum bollocks all over again. It's hilarious watching people dish out dire warnings and threats, especially from those running the EU, frankly they're shitting themselves "why are the people running the EU shitting themselves? Why would they? | |||
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"It's like the mess I use to have to deal with trying to negotiate a seasonal rota with TU reps" I'd love to have seen your negotiation strategy. "Do you want to work?" "Yes" "Right then here, go down that mine" "But I'm not a miner" "But you said you wanted to work, so work" "Yes, but you didn't ask me what kind of work I'm trained for!" "It's a simple question, do you want to work? Yes or No?" "Well... yes" "Right, then, get down that mine" "But it's collapsing" "Doesn't matter you said you wanted to work, so work" "But you didn't say what work it was and I don't want to work down a mine when I'm not a miner, and that mine is collapsing" "Don't care, get down that mine" -Matt | |||
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"That's our democracy 45% of Scotland lost the Indy ref, what did they get?. Nothing No, 100% of Scotland lost the Indy ref!" . The point I'm making is our democracy is pretty poor at working for the minority, the 45% of people that voted out in the Scottish referendum got nothing of what they wanted, sure the government made some more devo promises and all but in reality no wake up call was thought about 45% of Scotland not wanting to be in a union with the UK anymore, that's terrible, how did we let it get so bad that 45% no longer wanted what was so obviously good. Same with brexit, we spend hours arguing over the 5% swing here or there to turn the result but completely miss the big point that a whole massive chunk of society now think its crap and want out, how did we let these people down so badly that they would want out?. We don't listen to the other side point of view and make concessions even the ones willing to listen just do it out of politeness then say your wrong for x y and z reasons ! | |||
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"That's our democracy 45% of Scotland lost the Indy ref, what did they get?. Nothing No, 100% of Scotland lost the Indy ref!. The point I'm making is our democracy is pretty poor at working for the minority, the 45% of people that voted out in the Scottish referendum got nothing of what they wanted, sure the government made some more devo promises and all but in reality no wake up call was thought about 45% of Scotland not wanting to be in a union with the UK anymore, that's terrible, how did we let it get so bad that 45% no longer wanted what was so obviously good. Same with brexit, we spend hours arguing over the 5% swing here or there to turn the result but completely miss the big point that a whole massive chunk of society now think its crap and want out, how did we let these people down so badly that they would want out?. We don't listen to the other side point of view and make concessions even the ones willing to listen just do it out of politeness then say your wrong for x y and z reasons !" fair comments  | |||
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"Its like pre referendum bollocks all over again. It's hilarious watching people dish out dire warnings and threats, especially from those running the EU, frankly they're shitting themselves
why are the people running the EU shitting themselves? Why would they?"Why don't you open your eyes and see what is happening in Europe and the state it is in instead of holding a blinkered view and believing the crap people come out with? It was only the UK holding it together. You really think the French will get along with the Germans without the UK to bounce off? They all need us onside and our unhindered trade. And this is not some little Englander view or someone who is afraid of foreigners, which is your usual petty insult, I've probably spent a lot more time on the continent than you. You should think things through and start to see the bigger picture. Or you can be upset about roaming charges  | |||
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"Its like pre referendum bollocks all over again. It's hilarious watching people dish out dire warnings and threats, especially from those running the EU, frankly they're shitting themselves
why are the people running the EU shitting themselves? Why would they?
Why don't you open your eyes and see what is happening in Europe and the state it is in instead of holding a blinkered view and believing the crap people come out with? It was only the UK holding it together. You really think the French will get along with the Germans without the UK to bounce off? They all need us onside and our unhindered trade. And this is not some little Englander view or someone who is afraid of foreigners, which is your usual petty insult, I've probably spent a lot more time on the continent than you. You should think things through and start to see the bigger picture.
Or you can be upset about roaming charges "Have you no idea about history? The Common Market as was existed a long time before the UK became a member and Germany and France got along just fine and undoubtedly will continue to do so. | |||
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"That's our democracy 45% of Scotland lost the Indy ref, what did they get?. Nothing No, 100% of Scotland lost the Indy ref!. The point I'm making is our democracy is pretty poor at working for the minority, the 45% of people that voted out in the Scottish referendum got nothing of what they wanted, sure the government made some more devo promises and all but in reality no wake up call was thought about 45% of Scotland not wanting to be in a union with the UK anymore, that's terrible, how did we let it get so bad that 45% no longer wanted what was so obviously good. Same with brexit, we spend hours arguing over the 5% swing here or there to turn the result but completely miss the big point that a whole massive chunk of society now think its crap and want out, how did we let these people down so badly that they would want out?. We don't listen to the other side point of view and make concessions even the ones willing to listen just do it out of politeness then say your wrong for x y and z reasons !" Finally, someone gets it! | |||
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"Its like pre referendum bollocks all over again. It's hilarious watching people dish out dire warnings and threats, especially from those running the EU, frankly they're shitting themselves
why are the people running the EU shitting themselves? Why would they?
Why don't you open your eyes and see what is happening in Europe and the state it is in instead of holding a blinkered view and believing the crap people come out with? It was only the UK holding it together. You really think the French will get along with the Germans without the UK to bounce off? They all need us onside and our unhindered trade. And this is not some little Englander view or someone who is afraid of foreigners, which is your usual petty insult, I've probably spent a lot more time on the continent than you. You should think things through and start to see the bigger picture.
Or you can be upset about roaming charges "well let's see since the vote ..both and France and Germany and indeed the rest of the EU have come out in one voice saying no cerry picking and no negotiations before A50 ...meanwhile all sortsorts of ideas and opinions in the UK and what might happen or can happen ...since the vote I haven't heard one eu country say they want a referendum to leave the EU .. While here the UK is heading for possible break up ...so whichor side does it seem to likely fail? ..the United one or the one with in fighting? | |||
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"'It was only the UK holding it together '
The delusion.
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" Why don't you open your eyes and see what is happening in Europe and the state it is in instead of holding a blinkered view and believing the crap people come out with? It was only the UK holding it together. You really think the French will get along with the Germans without the UK to bounce off? They all need us onside and our unhindered trade. And this is not some little Englander view or someone who is afraid of foreigners, which is your usual petty insult, I've probably spent a lot more time on the continent than you. You should think things through and start to see the bigger picture. Or you can be upset about roaming charges "I can't actually believe that you really do believe what you have just written. It is astonishingly wrong on so many levels. To even think that it is the UK that was "holding it together" is just incredibly arrogant. We have all debated on these forums before about what the problem is with us British and you have encapsulated it in one statement. The UK is no longer the country that Nigel Farage and his disciples of meaningless slogans think it is - and it has not been for a very long time. FFS Winston Churchill saw that in 1945 and that is why we strived to join our European neighbours as equals for so long. Believe it or not - Europeans did not rule us, we always had parliamentary Sovereignty and most Europeans are just as good as us and they don't actually need the UK and its condascending and arrogant attitude. PS - talk to people who have business interests in Europe if you think roaming charges are an irrelevance. | |||
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"That's our democracy 45% of Scotland lost the Indy ref, what did they get?. Nothing No, 100% of Scotland lost the Indy ref!. The point I'm making is our democracy is pretty poor at working for the minority, the 45% of people that voted out in the Scottish referendum got nothing of what they wanted, sure the government made some more devo promises and all but in reality no wake up call was thought about 45% of Scotland not wanting to be in a union with the UK anymore, that's terrible, how did we let it get so bad that 45% no longer wanted what was so obviously good. Same with brexit, we spend hours arguing over the 5% swing here or there to turn the result but completely miss the big point that a whole massive chunk of society now think its crap and want out, how did we let these people down so badly that they would want out?. We don't listen to the other side point of view and make concessions even the ones willing to listen just do it out of politeness then say your wrong for x y and z reasons ! Finally, someone gets it! ". I dont know if i actually "get it", im not a bright guy like the others on here but im not stupid,i think things are like they are for reasons and maybe i see things in life differently than others about how we got where we are!. The way i see it is this cognitive dissonance that people talk about and like to fling around, what they dont understand is weve all got it, everybody on here has it, sure you think your right and there wrong sure as they do but were all in denial about our mentality to others, from what i see on here i just think people want to argue and i think thats a reflection on what they see in parliament.i also think we reflect the fact that democracy is all about being in the majority, as long as your in that, everything you say must be right?. I like debates on here but honestly, most people are very hostile to anything remotely different than you give your figures,i give mine, you quote your experts, i quote mine and at the end nothing really is talked about | |||
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"Reason went out the window last year it appears.. 'dogs breakfast' seems to be the likely outcome.. sprinkled with a helping of more divisive, xenophobic rhetoric.. the will of the people, the enemies of the people, the people have spoken.. smile, remain positive but most of all dare not question the mean's, method or costs of the glorious outcome, and all will be well.. or is that game of thrones or the North Korean ideology..? hey ho.. Its the best chance yet to see the power of positive thinking." The magical transformative power of just believing Tony Robbins for Brexiters | |||
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"It's like the mess I use to have to deal with trying to negotiate a seasonal rota with TU reps I'd love to have seen your negotiation strategy. "Do you want to work?" "Yes" "Right then here, go down that mine" "But I'm not a miner" A smart reply I like it, but I wasn't asking them to do job for which they hadn't been trained for, and they knew every year we would have winter rota October march summer march October What strange was how the TZu rep never ever seemed to have s Rita which had him working st Christmas or Easter Got to be honest every TU Rep I have ever met has been the most work shy of any of the guys I have managed or work along side off "But you said you wanted to work, so work" "Yes, but you didn't ask me what kind of work I'm trained for!" "It's a simple question, do you want to work? Yes or No?" "Well... yes" "Right, then, get down that mine" "But it's collapsing" "Doesn't matter you said you wanted to work, so work" "But you didn't say what work it was and I don't want to work down a mine when I'm not a miner, and that mine is collapsing" "Don't care, get down that mine" -Matt" | |||
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"Its like pre referendum bollocks all over again. It's hilarious watching people dish out dire warnings and threats, especially from those running the EU, frankly they're shitting themselves
why are the people running the EU shitting themselves? Why would they?"Brexiters have cast a magical curse doodling the Eu to "imminent failure". I've asked 4 times the exact mechanism for a collapse and I've been ignored each time. It must be hocus pocus or God himself, a touch of something special that's simple impossible to explain. One can only have blind faith in devine powers. | |||
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" Why don't you open your eyes and see what is happening in Europe and the state it is in instead of holding a blinkered view and believing the crap people come out with? It was only the UK holding it together. You really think the French will get along with the Germans without the UK to bounce off? They all need us onside and our unhindered trade. And this is not some little Englander view or someone who is afraid of foreigners, which is your usual petty insult, I've probably spent a lot more time on the continent than you. You should think things through and start to see the bigger picture. Or you can be upset about roaming charges
I can't actually believe that you really do believe what you have just written. It is astonishingly wrong on so many levels.
To even think that it is the UK that was "holding it together" is just incredibly arrogant. We have all debated on these forums before about what the problem is with us British and you have encapsulated it in one statement.
The UK is no longer the country that Nigel Farage and his disciples of meaningless slogans think it is - and it has not been for a very long time. FFS Winston Churchill saw that in 1945 and that is why we strived to join our European neighbours as equals for so long.
Believe it or not - Europeans did not rule us, we always had parliamentary Sovereignty and most Europeans are just as good as us and they don't actually need the UK and its condascending and arrogant attitude.
PS - talk to people who have business interests in Europe if you think roaming charges are an irrelevance. " | |||
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"Its like pre referendum bollocks all over again. It's hilarious watching people dish out dire warnings and threats, especially from those running the EU, frankly they're shitting themselves
why are the people running the EU shitting themselves? Why would they?
Why don't you open your eyes and see what is happening in Europe and the state it is in instead of holding a blinkered view and believing the crap people come out with? It was only the UK holding it together. You really think the French will get along with the Germans without the UK to bounce off? They all need us onside and our unhindered trade. And this is not some little Englander view or someone who is afraid of foreigners, which is your usual petty insult, I've probably spent a lot more time on the continent than you. You should think things through and start to see the bigger picture.
Or you can be upset about roaming charges well let's see since the vote ..both and France and Germany and indeed the rest of the EU have come out in one voice saying no cerry picking and no negotiations before A50 ...meanwhile all sortsorts of ideas and opinions in the UK and what might happen or can happen ...since the vote I haven't heard one eu country say they want a referendum to leave the EU ..
While here the UK is heading for possible break up ...so whichor side does it seem to likely fail? ..the United one or the one with in fighting?"You are just burying your head In the sand as far as the divisions within the EU go. Since the UK vote to leave the Italians also had a referendum, granted it was not a referendum on EU membership but the anti EU five star movement ran on a ticket of anti EU/anti euro sentiment against the very Europhile Italian Prime minister Matteo Renzi. Renzi lost the referendum and resigned in December. Polls in Greece are now starting to show decreasing support for the EU, and they elected a far left government to oppose the EU. You also have the prospect of Geert Wilders winning the election in Netherlands who wants out of the EU and in France Marine Le Pen is expected to be in the last 2 in the French election later this year, she may even win it and she wants major reform of the EU or France will also leave. The EU is very divided and the fuckwits who run it in Brussels still carry on regardless. While it seems the EU is falling apart they are organising a party at the end of March to celebrate an EU anniversary. Unbelievable really but I suppose nothing comes between a hopeless alcoholic and his favourite tipple, get the drinks in for Jean Claude D*unker, he's going to need it this year. | |||
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" Why don't you open your eyes and see what is happening in Europe and the state it is in instead of holding a blinkered view and believing the crap people come out with? It was only the UK holding it together. You really think the French will get along with the Germans without the UK to bounce off? They all need us onside and our unhindered trade. And this is not some little Englander view or someone who is afraid of foreigners, which is your usual petty insult, I've probably spent a lot more time on the continent than you. You should think things through and start to see the bigger picture. Or you can be upset about roaming charges
I can't actually believe that you really do believe what you have just written. It is astonishingly wrong on so many levels.
To even think that it is the UK that was "holding it together" is just incredibly arrogant. We have all debated on these forums before about what the problem is with us British and you have encapsulated it in one statement.
The UK is no longer the country that Nigel Farage and his disciples of meaningless slogans think it is - and it has not been for a very long time. FFS Winston Churchill saw that in 1945 and that is why we strived to join our European neighbours as equals for so long.
Believe it or not - Europeans did not rule us, we always had parliamentary Sovereignty and most Europeans are just as good as us and they don't actually need the UK and its condascending and arrogant attitude.
PS - talk to people who have business interests in Europe if you think roaming charges are an irrelevance. "There is nothing arrogant about it, those words came from a French politician. But this might sound arrogant- do you really think the EU will have much relevance on the world stage without the UK a part of it? In fact, what is the EU really? Maybe 4,,5 countries? And who subsidises roaming charges? Oh ye, that would be everybody, including the poorest who can't afford to roam. Who cares about them though eh, its their own fault | |||
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"It's distressing the way some seem to relish the prospect of this vast trading, economic and legislative bloc falling apart. Like it has somehow tangibly done them down and made their lives immeasurably worse. This relish is particularly unpleasant because if it happened there would likely be huge financial and social upheaval across Europe as different elements struggle for power. Already seeing swings towards far right nationalism, how long before that turns violent? Well, as long as you get your 5 mins of gloating in. " Some brexiters just want to watch the EU burn. | |||
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"It's distressing the way some seem to relish the prospect of this vast trading, economic and legislative bloc falling apart. Like it has somehow tangibly done them down and made their lives immeasurably worse. This relish is particularly unpleasant because if it happened there would likely be huge financial and social upheaval across Europe as different elements struggle for power. Already seeing swings towards far right nationalism, how long before that turns violent? Well, as long as you get your 5 mins of gloating in. " Maybe you missed the huge financial and social upheaval across southern Europe | |||
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"It's distressing the way some seem to relish the prospect of this vast trading, economic and legislative bloc falling apart. Like it has somehow tangibly done them down and made their lives immeasurably worse. This relish is particularly unpleasant because if it happened there would likely be huge financial and social upheaval across Europe as different elements struggle for power. Already seeing swings towards far right nationalism, how long before that turns violent? Well, as long as you get your 5 mins of gloating in. Maybe you missed the huge financial and social upheaval across southern Europe "Created by the EU and the Euro no less. | |||
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"That's our democracy 45% of Scotland lost the Indy ref, what did they get?. Nothing No, 100% of Scotland lost the Indy ref!. The point I'm making is our democracy is pretty poor at working for the minority, the 45% of people that voted out in the Scottish referendum got nothing of what they wanted, sure the government made some more devo promises and all but in reality no wake up call was thought about 45% of Scotland not wanting to be in a union with the UK anymore, that's terrible, how did we let it get so bad that 45% no longer wanted what was so obviously good. Same with brexit, we spend hours arguing over the 5% swing here or there to turn the result but completely miss the big point that a whole massive chunk of society now think its crap and want out, how did we let these people down so badly that they would want out?. We don't listen to the other side point of view and make concessions even the ones willing to listen just do it out of politeness then say your wrong for x y and z reasons ! Finally, someone gets it! .
I dont know if i actually "get it", im not a bright guy like the others on here but im not stupid,i think things are like they are for reasons and maybe i see things in life differently than others about how we got where we are!.
The way i see it is this cognitive dissonance that people talk about and like to fling around, what they dont understand is weve all got it, everybody on here has it, sure you think your right and there wrong sure as they do but were all in denial about our mentality to others, from what i see on here i just think people want to argue and i think thats a reflection on what they see in parliament.i also think we reflect the fact that democracy is all about being in the majority, as long as your in that, everything you say must be right?.
I like debates on here but honestly, most people are very hostile to anything remotely different than you give your figures,i give mine, you quote your experts, i quote mine and at the end nothing really is talked about "That's an interesting point worthy of serious discussion on a thread of its own. It's called Motivated Reasoning and we do all suffer from it no matter how intelligent, or stupid, we are. The most recent studies show how we can operate reasoned critical thinking in making many decisions but when questions become political then this can quickly be overwhelmed. | |||
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" Maybe you missed the huge financial and social upheaval across southern Europe "Here's one of the main ones having a smug moment now
Are you talking about the refugee crisis? (Not caused by the EU, but handled badly by all involved) The political changes in Italy? The financial fuck up in Greece (caused by the Greeks, not the EU directly)? The Hungarians closing borders? Erdogan doing what Trump is wishing he could do? (Again, not the EU's fault)
What you're talking about is local politics and nothing compared to what happens if the EU falls apart. Just purely from a trade point of view it's going to be bad enough when we in the UK have to start trading purely under WTO rules, the confusion it will cause, and the extra expense and cost to consumers. Then imagine that magnified 27 fold.
So you go ahead and gloat, you won. We'll get over it and think positive.
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" Maybe you missed the huge financial and social upheaval across southern Europe
Here's one of the main ones having a smug moment now
Are you talking about the refugee crisis? (Not caused by the EU, but handled badly by all involved) The political changes in Italy? The financial fuck up in Greece (caused by the Greeks, not the EU directly)? The Hungarians closing borders? Erdogan doing what Trump is wishing he could do? (Again, not the EU's fault)
What you're talking about is local politics and nothing compared to what happens if the EU falls apart. Just purely from a trade point of view it's going to be bad enough when we in the UK have to start trading purely under WTO rules, the confusion it will cause, and the extra expense and cost to consumers. Then imagine that magnified 27 fold.
So you go ahead and gloat, you won. We'll get over it and think positive.
"I think you are a little confused as to what caused the problems in the south. And if you are saying that failures/problems are not down to the EU then surely any successes aren't either, its just local politics. So basically we don't need the EU and Europe will get along just fine and likely prosper without it. And I think maybe you should do some research into what trading on WTO terms would actually mean | |||
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" I think you are a little confused as to what caused the problems in the south. And if you are saying that failures/problems are not down to the EU then surely any successes aren't either, its just local politics. So basically we don't need the EU and Europe will get along just fine and likely prosper without it. And I think maybe you should do some research into what trading on WTO terms would actually mean" No, no confusion here. Feel leave to patronise me some more though if it helps. I'm sure the individual countries of Europe could prosper yes, some definitely better than others. But only if we could instantly transition from being in the Bloc now, to a time of stable economic, trading and legislative prosperity outside the bloc. Or basically get back to where we sort of were pre-brexit vote. That's all 27 countries, not just us. So skip say, 5 years of turmoil, something like that. Being generous there. Possibly closer to 10. That's fixed it. We can get everyone in a tardis can't we? | |||
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"Its like pre referendum bollocks all over again. It's hilarious watching people dish out dire warnings and threats, especially from those running the EU, frankly they're shitting themselves
why are the people running the EU shitting themselves? Why would they?
Why don't you open your eyes and see what is happening in Europe and the state it is in instead of holding a blinkered view and believing the crap people come out with? It was only the UK holding it together. You really think the French will get along with the Germans without the UK to bounce off? They all need us onside and our unhindered trade. And this is not some little Englander view or someone who is afraid of foreigners, which is your usual petty insult, I've probably spent a lot more time on the continent than you. You should think things through and start to see the bigger picture.
Or you can be upset about roaming charges well let's see since the vote ..both and France and Germany and indeed the rest of the EU have come out in one voice saying no cerry picking and no negotiations before A50 ...meanwhile all sortsorts of ideas and opinions in the UK and what might happen or can happen ...since the vote I haven't heard one eu country say they want a referendum to leave the EU ..
While here the UK is heading for possible break up ...so whichor side does it seem to likely fail? ..the United one or the one with in fighting?
You are just burying your head In the sand as far as the divisions within the EU go. Since the UK vote to leave the Italians also had a referendum, granted it was not a referendum on EU membership but the anti EU five star movement ran on a ticket of anti EU/anti euro sentiment against the very Europhile Italian Prime minister Matteo Renzi. Renzi lost the referendum and resigned in December. Polls in Greece are now starting to show decreasing support for the EU, and they elected a far left government to oppose the EU. You also have the prospect of Geert Wilders winning the election in Netherlands who wants out of the EU and in France Marine Le Pen is expected to be in the last 2 in the French election later this year, she may even win it and she wants major reform of the EU or France will also leave. The EU is very divided and the fuckwits who run it in Brussels still carry on regardless. While it seems the EU is falling apart they are organising a party at the end of March to celebrate an EU anniversary. Unbelievable really but I suppose nothing comes between a hopeless alcoholic and his favourite tipple, get the drinks in for Jean Claude D*unker, he's going to need it this year. "so are you gona take this back now? Seeing your far right anti eu man didn't win in the Dutch elections? | |||
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"It's distressing the way some seem to relish the prospect of this vast trading, economic and legislative bloc falling apart. Like it has somehow tangibly done them down and made their lives immeasurably worse. This relish is particularly unpleasant because if it happened there would likely be huge financial and social upheaval across Europe as different elements struggle for power. Already seeing swings towards far right nationalism, how long before that turns violent? Well, as long as you get your 5 mins of gloating in. Some brexiters just want to watch the EU burn." I really hope the political experiment known as the EU does burn, it delivers nothing for the people, but line the pockets of kinnock family, that corrupt twat Mandelson and even the king rat himself Tony Blair is hoping to dip his bread in to EU gravy pot | |||
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" Maybe you missed the huge financial and social upheaval across southern Europe
Here's one of the main ones having a smug moment now
Are you talking about the refugee crisis? (Not caused by the EU, but handled badly by all involved) The political changes in Italy? The financial fuck up in Greece (caused by the Greeks, not the EU directly)? The Hungarians closing borders? Erdogan doing what Trump is wishing he could do? (Again, not the EU's fault)
What you're talking about is local politics and nothing compared to what happens if the EU falls apart. Just purely from a trade point of view it's going to be bad enough when we in the UK have to start trading purely under WTO rules, the confusion it will cause, and the extra expense and cost to consumers. Then imagine that magnified 27 fold.
So you go ahead and gloat, you won. We'll get over it and think positive.
"Why do Hungary Czech have no issues with Islamic terrorism, because they stood up to the EU fools and said no,not for us thanks | |||
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"It's distressing the way some seem to relish the prospect of this vast trading, economic and legislative bloc falling apart. Like it has somehow tangibly done them down and made their lives immeasurably worse. This relish is particularly unpleasant because if it happened there would likely be huge financial and social upheaval across Europe as different elements struggle for power. Already seeing swings towards far right nationalism, how long before that turns violent? Well, as long as you get your 5 mins of gloating in. Maybe you missed the huge financial and social upheaval across southern Europe " | |||
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" Why do Hungary Czech have no issues with Islamic terrorism, because they stood up to the EU fools and said no,not for us thanks" Yeah, and Hungary in particular had gangs of armed thugs kicking the shit out of refugees trying to cross the border. That's acceptable to you is it? They don't have a huge problem with homophobia either because no-one there is allowed to be gay. | |||
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