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"One of the reasons we were told Brexit was a good idea was that Europe was on the verge of collapse and was no good for it's people. Brexiters also said, because of course they have such concern for the people of Europe, a vote for Leave would precipitate it's collapse. The latests polls show what a(nother) crock of shit that is from the brexiters." what about the crock of shit we were told in the first common market referendum .it was meant to be about trade among the nine countries at the time .they said they would not try and be some kind of European superstate .Harold Wilson told nowt but porkies back then .I waited all this time to put right a wrong .and for all the moaners .most of them can't remember what this country was like before we joined .speak to the people who have been on both sides of the fence .they're the ones who really know .I'm glad we are out .Europe will collapse its a case of when not if .I'm British I'm proud to be British .if the moaners stopped crying in their milk this country would get going again an awful lot sooner .as for the house of lords well they are long overdue being put out to pasture .Why wait 2 years we are out ,deal with it | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% " ...so that's a choice of eleven countries you could move to..If you are going to miss your beloved European union so much. | |||
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"One of the reasons we were told Brexit was a good idea was that Europe was on the verge of collapse and was no good for it's people. Brexiters also said, because of course they have such concern for the people of Europe, a vote for Leave would precipitate it's collapse. The latests polls show what a(nother) crock of shit that is from the brexiters." . Peoples support of something doesnt mean its good or bad, it just means they like the idea. It doesnt mean it will work either, we supported the EU coz it gave us great subsidies for farming but then the French always got better ones and we didnt like them burning our sheep constantly  | |||
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"if the moaners stopped crying in their milk this country would get going again an awful lot sooner .as for the house of lords well they are long overdue being put out to pasture .Why wait 2 years we are out ,deal with it " So all the blame for the uncertainty ahead is to be directed at those who voted leave and those who have highlighted areas of concern? Seriously? | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% " What's the source for this? | |||
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"Uk June 2015. Remain - 70%" Bollox. Date Remain Leave Don't Know 29 Jun–6 Jul 45% 37% 18% 5,008 Survation Includes Northern Ireland 19–24 Jun 44% 38% 18% 1,653 YouGov 19–21 Jun 55% 45% N/A 2,000 ORB 14–16 Jun 66% 22% 12% 501 Ipsos MORI[dead link] 8–11 Jun 43% 36% 21% 2,381 YouGov 1–2 Jun 44% 34% 21% 1,063 YouGov 27 May–2 Jun 42% 35% 22% 2,956 YouGov The only one close to your 70% was discredited and link withdrawn due to small sample size and methodology. Generally throughout 2015 on polls with a decent sample size of over 1,000 Remain were 3-5 points ahead, in the low to mid 40's. Just to counter your cherry picking. | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% What's the source for this?" The independent @EuropeElects. You might also see 'EU28: Support for the euro hits record high within the eurozone (support euro: 70%) (Eurobarometer poll). #europe' | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% What's the source for this? The independent @EuropeElects. You might also see 'EU28: Support for the euro hits record high within the eurozone (support euro: 70%) (Eurobarometer poll). #europe' "  | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% What's the source for this? The independent @EuropeElects. You might also see 'EU28: Support for the euro hits record high within the eurozone (support euro: 70%) (Eurobarometer poll). #europe' " ..when were these polls taken. | |||
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"Polls eh? Haven't we been here before?" Yup... we have  Problem is when people think they are legally binding
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% What's the source for this? The independent @EuropeElects. You might also see 'EU28: Support for the euro hits record high within the eurozone (support euro: 70%) (Eurobarometer poll). #europe' ..when were these polls taken. " Not sure without doing a lot of time consuming digging, however EuropeElects tendc to publish within a very short time of polls and results becoming available. The eurobarometer regarding the eurozone was posted on 28 February and the list in my opening post was after that, so this is all quite recent I would think. | |||
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"I saw an interview with some French political commentators last week. They are now starting to get twitchy about Marine, saying the establishment have made no contingency plans should she win. It's as if they are sleep walking into an election that is closer than some make out." It dont matter whether she gets in this time or not, her or someone like her will get in sooner or later. Capitalism has failed the masses all over and theyre coming out of that government sleep induced coma. Weve been on that rollercoaster going clunk clunk clunk clunk and were at the top admiring the view, nobody is maintaining the track and worse still there incapable of repairing it, they dont know how to do it even if they wanted to. We plan for the future as if its a given The world seems to have gone crazy at the moment, were like spooked cattle all running coz the first one bolted, were clever but at heart were just apes still being run by primitive programming, theres nowt smart about sticking your dick in a strangers pussy but were all doin it  and were still getting into a tiz about killing a rihno as if were too smart for it.
You cant get much more stupid than a cow there like fucking dipsticks but when they get out at the abattoir they know whats comin they can sense it, they get all yelling jostling panicky and they start butting each other. | |||
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"Netherlands: Eurozone membership referendum, TNS NIPO poll: Remain: 78% Leave: 22% 28 Feb. Even if Wilders gets the largest vote he won't be able to form a government or get any popular support for taking the country out of the EU. It might persuade the EU to address migration though." They are pro EU here. We rely on our trade and international Dutch companies need people from outside, hence the tax deduction. They're just have a different idea on emigration outside of the EU. | |||
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"From what I can see it was from polls at least 6 months old, and from a survey of 10,000 people across the whole of the EU.... So less than 0.00002% of the population. The company carrying out the poll is also a renowned pro-EU lobbyist. No wonder the OP didn't want to carry out any extensive research into the polls. Fake news and alternative facts spring to mind." I posted it in good faith. When you say 'from what you can see' can you tell me where you have seen this info and I'll look at it myself and happily concur if this is the polls are indeed unreliable and flawed. When you say 'the company carrying out the poll' who do you mean? Do you mean Europe Elects? This are not a polling company, merely an organising that reports on polls and election results. They do not have a pro or anti anywhere agenda. | |||
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"Uk June 2015. Remain - 70%" So how did that work out??  | |||
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"Uk June 2015. Remain - 70% So how did that work out?? "top of me head  | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% " I do not think I will be paying too much attention to an opinion poll. It is the results on the day of the poll that count. . How did the opinion poll select their sample for testing ?. I just ignore opinion polls . | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% " The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% ...so that's a choice of eleven countries you could move to..If you are going to miss your beloved European union so much. "  | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.." Kin ell Pat..
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"Can someone please spell out the mechanism for this imminent collapse? " . Isnt it obvious? Democracy  | |||
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"One of the reasons we were told Brexit was a good idea was that Europe was on the verge of collapse and was no good for it's people. Brexiters also said, because of course they have such concern for the people of Europe, a vote for Leave would precipitate it's collapse. The latests polls show what a(nother) crock of shit that is from the brexiters.what about the crock of shit we were told in the first common market referendum .it was meant to be about trade among the nine countries at the time .they said they would not try and be some kind of European superstate .Harold Wilson told nowt but porkies back then .I waited all this time to put right a wrong .and for all the moaners .most of them can't remember what this country was like before we joined .speak to the people who have been on both sides of the fence .they're the ones who really know .I'm glad we are out .Europe will collapse its a case of when not if .I'm British I'm proud to be British .if the moaners stopped crying in their milk this country would get going again an awful lot sooner .as for the house of lords well they are long overdue being put out to pasture .Why wait 2 years we are out ,deal with it " well put | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. PMSL.. you are a bellend. Which bit or Ireland do you think it refers to when it says IRE? I'll give you a hint the Republic of Ireland. ie. yes, the south. As the north is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Look at the front of your passport. -Matt" . I think that's Eire, ire is short for the island of Ireland | |||
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"From what I can see it was from polls at least 6 months old, and from a survey of 10,000 people across the whole of the EU.... So less than 0.00002% of the population. The company carrying out the poll is also a renowned pro-EU lobbyist. No wonder the OP didn't want to carry out any extensive research into the polls. Fake news and alternative facts spring to mind." Fake news and alternative facts? You have just said that the population of the EU is 50bn!  | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. PMSL.. you are a bellend. Which bit or Ireland do you think it refers to when it says IRE? I'll give you a hint the Republic of Ireland. ie. yes, the south. As the north is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Look at the front of your passport. -Matt" I am not sure how often you have visited Ireland but different people have different opinions as to what constitutes Irelsnd . Is your answer fact or an educated guess ? If we wanted to be absolutely certain we would probably have to look at the small print to see what definition from Ireland . | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. Kin ell Pat..
take a peek at an atlas.."As I come from Ireland I would hope not to have to resort to using an Atlas !!!. On this occasion I would prefer not to guess the definition and was interested in what definition the researcher used .. | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.." 90% sounds right to me. The EU is very popular here. We know the benefits of the single market and we've seen the benefits of their policies here. Ireland doesnt suffer from the nationalistic "We're the best at everything always" that you see from some countries. We also know that the creation of the EU has allowed us, the UK and Northern Ireland to handle the peace process much more effectively. The fact that the EU meant that once the arms were set aside that we could completely dismantle the border was a huge benefit as it avoided a massive sticking point in how to handle that issue. Theres a reason why everyone who knows what theyre talking about says that the EU, on balance, is better than seperate. The only argument against it instead of improving it is nationalistic nonsense. The EU isnt perfect but point me in the direction of a national government or a major international organisation of countries that is. | |||
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"Uk June 2015. Remain - 70% Bollox. Date Remain Leave Don't Know 29 Jun–6 Jul 45% 37% 18% 5,008 Survation Includes Northern Ireland 19–24 Jun 44% 38% 18% 1,653 YouGov 19–21 Jun 55% 45% N/A 2,000 ORB 14–16 Jun 66% 22% 12% 501 Ipsos MORI[dead link] 8–11 Jun 43% 36% 21% 2,381 YouGov 1–2 Jun 44% 34% 21% 1,063 YouGov 27 May–2 Jun 42% 35% 22% 2,956 YouGov The only one close to your 70% was discredited and link withdrawn due to small sample size and methodology. Generally throughout 2015 on polls with a decent sample size of over 1,000 Remain were 3-5 points ahead, in the low to mid 40's. Just to counter your cherry picking." One poll released on the day of the EU referendum vote 23rd June 2016 put Remain 10 points ahead of Leave. | |||
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"Polls eh? Haven't we been here before? Yup... we have Problem is when people think they are legally binding
-Matt"Maybe, but when the government of the day spends £9 million quid of taxpayers money on a leaflet delivered to every house in the country saying they will implement the result of the poll that is what the public expects will happen. | |||
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"Uk June 2015. Remain - 70% Bollox. Date Remain Leave Don't Know 29 Jun–6 Jul 45% 37% 18% 5,008 Survation Includes Northern Ireland 19–24 Jun 44% 38% 18% 1,653 YouGov 19–21 Jun 55% 45% N/A 2,000 ORB 14–16 Jun 66% 22% 12% 501 Ipsos MORI[dead link] 8–11 Jun 43% 36% 21% 2,381 YouGov 1–2 Jun 44% 34% 21% 1,063 YouGov 27 May–2 Jun 42% 35% 22% 2,956 YouGov The only one close to your 70% was discredited and link withdrawn due to small sample size and methodology. Generally throughout 2015 on polls with a decent sample size of over 1,000 Remain were 3-5 points ahead, in the low to mid 40's. Just to counter your cherry picking. One poll released on the day of the EU referendum vote 23rd June 2016 put Remain 10 points ahead of Leave. "Anyone who looks to polls should by now know they mean nothing. They dont represent the millions of ordinary people who actually turn up to voting booths. | |||
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"Let's see how the Dutch report back next week." ......and the French and the Germans later this year. | |||
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"Uk June 2015. Remain - 70% So how did that work out??
top of me head ".....and all those polls in America which said Hillary Clinton was a sure fire winner for the Presidency, how did that work out?  | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. Kin ell Pat..
take a peek at an atlas..
As I come from Ireland I would hope not to have to resort to using an Atlas !!!.
On this occasion I would prefer not to guess the definition and was interested in what definition the researcher used ..
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" Theres a reason why everyone who knows what theyre talking about says that the EU, on balance, is better than seperate. The only argument against it instead of improving it is nationalistic nonsense. The EU isnt perfect but point me in the direction of a national government or a major international organisation of countries that is." Everyone who knows what theyre talking about? Please. If you want a better but not perfect government model why not lool at switzerland? Theres a reason theyre not in the EU. And several reasons GDP per capita is among the highest in the world there. But they dont know what theyre talking about. | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. Kin ell Pat..
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As I come from Ireland I would hope not to have to resort to using an Atlas !!!.
On this occasion I would prefer not to guess the definition and was interested in what definition the researcher used ..
I can't believe that you come from Ireland and dont know the difference between Eire/Ireland and Northern Ireland."However I wanted to know what definition was used in the survey as many people get it wrong . Getting the definition wrong does not bother me but in situations like this I like to do an accurate comparison..  | |||
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" Theres a reason why everyone who knows what theyre talking about says that the EU, on balance, is better than seperate. The only argument against it instead of improving it is nationalistic nonsense. The EU isnt perfect but point me in the direction of a national government or a major international organisation of countries that is. Everyone who knows what theyre talking about? Please. If you want a better but not perfect government model why not lool at switzerland? Theres a reason theyre not in the EU. And several reasons GDP per capita is among the highest in the world there. But they dont know what theyre talking about." A good example of going it alone . Another good reason is it is pointless being a member of the EU if you are paying in more than you get out . | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. Kin ell Pat..
take a peek at an atlas..
As I come from Ireland I would hope not to have to resort to using an Atlas !!!.
On this occasion I would prefer not to guess the definition and was interested in what definition the researcher used ..
I can't believe that you come from Ireland and dont know the difference between Eire/Ireland and Northern Ireland. However I wanted to know what definition was used in the survey as many people get it wrong . Getting the definition wrong does not bother me but in situations like this I like to do an accurate comparison.. "Why would you assume that someone doing international polling wouldn't know what country they are polling? | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. Kin ell Pat..
take a peek at an atlas..
As I come from Ireland I would hope not to have to resort to using an Atlas !!!.
On this occasion I would prefer not to guess the definition and was interested in what definition the researcher used ..
I can't believe that you come from Ireland and dont know the difference between Eire/Ireland and Northern Ireland. However I wanted to know what definition was used in the survey as many people get it wrong . Getting the definition wrong does not bother me but in situations like this I like to do an accurate comparison..
Why would you assume that someone doing international polling wouldn't know what country they are polling? "It is quite common for people to get the definition of what constitutes Ireland wrong and how could I be certain that their definition was correct. ( especially as opinion polls are notoriously inaccurate ). The result for Ireland did not look right to me . | |||
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" Theres a reason why everyone who knows what theyre talking about says that the EU, on balance, is better than seperate. The only argument against it instead of improving it is nationalistic nonsense. The EU isnt perfect but point me in the direction of a national government or a major international organisation of countries that is. Everyone who knows what theyre talking about? Please. If you want a better but not perfect government model why not lool at switzerland? Theres a reason theyre not in the EU. And several reasons GDP per capita is among the highest in the world there. But they dont know what theyre talking about. A good example of going it alone . Another good reason is it is pointless being a member of the EU if you are paying in more than you get out . " Switzerland is part of the single market though....hardly going it alone then is it? | |||
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" Theres a reason why everyone who knows what theyre talking about says that the EU, on balance, is better than seperate. The only argument against it instead of improving it is nationalistic nonsense. The EU isnt perfect but point me in the direction of a national government or a major international organisation of countries that is. Everyone who knows what theyre talking about? Please. If you want a better but not perfect government model why not lool at switzerland? Theres a reason theyre not in the EU. And several reasons GDP per capita is among the highest in the world there. But they dont know what theyre talking about." Switzerland has several unique reasons that they are not in the EU proper. 1. Their neutrality is extremely important to them and although Ireland was willing to make some concessions to be part of the EU but remain pretty much neutral Switzerland wants to be completely neutral. 2. Their legendary secretive banking that generates huge income for them. Its taken immense pressure for Swiss banks to become a bit more open. Joining the EU would require them to have proper banking so that criminals, dictators and war criminals couldnt hide funds there. Its also worth noting that Switzerland are trying to restrict immigration due to a referendum that narrowly passed (sound familiar) they are currently trying to negotiate a settlement with the EU and have been for the last 2 years. The Swiss are desperate to agree a deal to maintain the benefits they have with the EU but the EU has such a strong negotiating position that theyve been able to hold firm and given almost no lee way. The Swiss are very aware that they need the EU more than the EU needs any one country of course. | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. 90% sounds right to me. The EU is very popular here. We know the benefits of the single market and we've seen the benefits of their policies here. Ireland doesnt suffer from the nationalistic "We're the best at everything always" that you see from some countries. We also know that the creation of the EU has allowed us, the UK and Northern Ireland to handle the peace process much more effectively. The fact that the EU meant that once the arms were set aside that we could completely dismantle the border was a huge benefit as it avoided a massive sticking point in how to handle that issue. Theres a reason why everyone who knows what theyre talking about says that the EU, on balance, is better than seperate. The only argument against it instead of improving it is nationalistic nonsense. The EU isnt perfect but point me in the direction of a national government or a major international organisation of countries that is."  You must love living under German rule as it is Germany that decides what other eu nations can or can't do and that includes Ireland. Germany is gaining control over europe that it failed to achieve in the 1940's. | |||
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"From what I can see it was from polls at least 6 months old, and from a survey of 10,000 people across the whole of the EU.... So less than 0.00002% of the population. The company carrying out the poll is also a renowned pro-EU lobbyist. No wonder the OP didn't want to carry out any extensive research into the polls. Fake news and alternative facts spring to mind. Fake news and alternative facts? You have just said that the population of the EU is 50bn! "And how have you worked that out then? | |||
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"From what I can see it was from polls at least 6 months old, and from a survey of 10,000 people across the whole of the EU.... So less than 0.00002% of the population. The company carrying out the poll is also a renowned pro-EU lobbyist. No wonder the OP didn't want to carry out any extensive research into the polls. Fake news and alternative facts spring to mind. Fake news and alternative facts? You have just said that the population of the EU is 50bn!
And how have you worked that out then?
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. Kin ell Pat..
take a peek at an atlas..
As I come from Ireland I would hope not to have to resort to using an Atlas !!!.
On this occasion I would prefer not to guess the definition and was interested in what definition the researcher used ..
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"Polls eh? Haven't we been here before? Yup... we have Problem is when people think they are legally binding
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Maybe, but when the government of the day spends £9 million quid of taxpayers money on a leaflet delivered to every house in the country saying they will implement the result of the poll that is what the public expects will happen. "Indeed. And I wouldn't trust this government any further than that cI ups throw them! -Matt | |||
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"It seems all is not well in the EU with EU President Donald Tusk. His own country Poland want him removed as an EU President. "Yet 27 countries supported him  | |||
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"Uk June 2015. Remain - 70% So how did that work out??
top of me head
.....and all those polls in America which said Hillary Clinton was a sure fire winner for the Presidency, how did that work out? "The polls said she'd win the popular vote by 2-3% and that was correct. | |||
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"Uk June 2015. Remain - 70% So how did that work out??
top of me head
.....and all those polls in America which said Hillary Clinton was a sure fire winner for the Presidency, how did that work out?
The polls said she'd win the popular vote by 2-3% and that was correct."Some people didn't factor in the Russian state influencing the election. | |||
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"It seems all is not well in the EU with EU President Donald Tusk. His own country Poland want him removed as an EU President.
Yet 27 countries supported him "one of which was the UK. Maybe we think he's a bit thick | |||
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"It seems all is not well in the EU with EU President Donald Tusk. His own country Poland want him removed as an EU President.
Yet 27 countries supported him
one of which was the UK. Maybe we think he's a bit thick "Well we were looking to Poland to be a strong supporter of the UK during the negotiations and they are furious that we hung them out to dry, so it seems like May has well and truely shit the bed again | |||
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"It seems all is not well in the EU with EU President Donald Tusk. His own country Poland want him removed as an EU President.
Yet 27 countries supported him
one of which was the UK. Maybe we think he's a bit thick
Well we were looking to Poland to be a strong supporter of the UK during the negotiations and they are furious that we hung them out to dry, so it seems like May has well and truely shit the bed again "what about the other 26? | |||
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"It seems all is not well in the EU with EU President Donald Tusk. His own country Poland want him removed as an EU President.
Yet 27 countries supported him
one of which was the UK. Maybe we think he's a bit thick
Well we were looking to Poland to be a strong supporter of the UK during the negotiations and they are furious that we hung them out to dry, so it seems like May has well and truely shit the bed again
what about the other 26?"Maybe words have been said behind the scenes, that makes Tusk a better position than any alternative? | |||
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"It seems all is not well in the EU with EU President Donald Tusk. His own country Poland want him removed as an EU President.
Yet 27 countries supported him
one of which was the UK. Maybe we think he's a bit thick
Well we were looking to Poland to be a strong supporter of the UK during the negotiations and they are furious that we hung them out to dry, so it seems like May has well and truely shit the bed again
what about the other 26?
Maybe words have been said behind the scenes, that makes Tusk a better position than any alternative?"maybe, and now we have the other 26 onside | |||
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"It seems all is not well in the EU with EU President Donald Tusk. His own country Poland want him removed as an EU President.
Yet 27 countries supported him
one of which was the UK. Maybe we think he's a bit thick
Well we were looking to Poland to be a strong supporter of the UK during the negotiations and they are furious that we hung them out to dry, so it seems like May has well and truely shit the bed again "You've already told us trade can't be discussed until after the 2 years. The Lords say there is no legal exit bill. The amendment has given rights to EU citizens currently in UK. So there isn't going to be much to negotiate anyway. | |||
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"It seems all is not well in the EU with EU President Donald Tusk. His own country Poland want him removed as an EU President.
Yet 27 countries supported him
one of which was the UK. Maybe we think he's a bit thick
Well we were looking to Poland to be a strong supporter of the UK during the negotiations and they are furious that we hung them out to dry, so it seems like May has well and truely shit the bed again
You've already told us trade can't be discussed until after the 2 years. The Lords say there is no legal exit bill. The amendment has given rights to EU citizens currently in UK. So there isn't going to be much to negotiate anyway."There will be a bill, its just a matter of how much. The Lords can say thats their position and thats fine, but their position is just an opinion. In a negotiation they'll have to find a common ground with the EU. The Swiss model (without the free movement of people) is essentially the dream of the UK government and it involves over 100 treaties so there will be a lot to negotiate. The UKs future could end up being more complicated. | |||
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"Uk June 2015. Remain - 70% So how did that work out??
top of me head
.....and all those polls in America which said Hillary Clinton was a sure fire winner for the Presidency, how did that work out?
The polls said she'd win the popular vote by 2-3% and that was correct.
Some people didn't factor in the Russian state influencing the election."The recent Wikileaks over the last few days about the CIA show that the CIA have the tools to fabricate all this stuff about Russia to make it look credible. The credibility of the CIA has been completely destroyed by Wikileaks. | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. PMSL.. you are a bellend. Which bit or Ireland do you think it refers to when it says IRE? I'll give you a hint the Republic of Ireland. ie. yes, the south. As the north is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Look at the front of your passport. -Matt" I am slightly surprised by the first few words of your reply . From memory you like to take the moral high ground and have consistently stated that your posts are of a higher quality than others because you like to cross reference your opinions to facts . From memory you also said that you have done some lecturing . If a student asked you a question , would you use the same opening words that you used in the post or does your tolerance only extend to certain sections of society ? Regardless of the terminology used to define how the country is split I am entitled to a passport from each so I am not certain as to how looking at a passport would help . Many people confuse how Ireland is split and quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification . If I am analysing data I like to be absolutely certain what it is that I am analysing . Where necessary it is preferable to seek advice rather than plough blinding ahead . I have even had an insurance company withdraw cover because they did not understand the difference . ( their error and it was reinstated once they understood the difference ) . The definition may be simple to you but to lots of people it is not . | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. PMSL.. you are a bellend. Which bit or Ireland do you think it refers to when it says IRE? I'll give you a hint the Republic of Ireland. ie. yes, the south. As the north is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Look at the front of your passport. -Matt I am slightly surprised by the first few words of your reply . From memory you like to take the moral high ground and have consistently stated that your posts are of a higher quality than others because you like to cross reference your opinions to facts . From memory you also said that you have done some lecturing . If a student asked you a question , would you use the same opening words that you used in the post or does your tolerance only extend to certain sections of society ? Regardless of the terminology used to define how the country is split I am entitled to a passport from each so I am not certain as to how looking at a passport would help . Many people confuse how Ireland is split and quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification . If I am analysing data I like to be absolutely certain what it is that I am analysing . Where necessary it is preferable to seek advice rather than plough blinding ahead . I have even had an insurance company withdraw cover because they did not understand the difference . ( their error and it was reinstated once they understood the difference ) . The definition may be simple to you but to lots of people it is not . " If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. | |||
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" If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit." It is a knowledge defecit. But lots of people possess it! | |||
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" If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. It is a knowledge defecit. But lots of people possess it!" Smart arse but well spottef | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. PMSL.. you are a bellend. Which bit or Ireland do you think it refers to when it says IRE? I'll give you a hint the Republic of Ireland. ie. yes, the south. As the north is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Look at the front of your passport. -Matt I am slightly surprised by the first few words of your reply . From memory you like to take the moral high ground and have consistently stated that your posts are of a higher quality than others because you like to cross reference your opinions to facts . From memory you also said that you have done some lecturing . If a student asked you a question , would you use the same opening words that you used in the post or does your tolerance only extend to certain sections of society ? Regardless of the terminology used to define how the country is split I am entitled to a passport from each so I am not certain as to how looking at a passport would help . Many people confuse how Ireland is split and quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification . If I am analysing data I like to be absolutely certain what it is that I am analysing . Where necessary it is preferable to seek advice rather than plough blinding ahead . I have even had an insurance company withdraw cover because they did not understand the difference . ( their error and it was reinstated once they understood the difference ) . The definition may be simple to you but to lots of people it is not . " Pat, yes, I'm sorry, I normally try to reason with people based on facts and logic. But I've given up with you. You have repeatedly demonstrated you have absolutely no idea to follow any reasonable thread of logic. So when you look at a list of 11 countries in the EU and their percentages of support for the EU and you query whether the one for Ireland is for Eire or Northern Ireland... which despite your confusion about geography, currency, and geopolitics is actually a part of the United Kingdom currently. You then go on to query if those polling might be confused as to which part of the Irish isles are a part of the EU and which part is a part of the UK. Sorry, I just don't buy it Pat. -Matt | |||
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" If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. It is a knowledge defecit. But lots of people possess it! Smart arse but well spottef"I didn't spot the spelling! I meant it is a lack of knowledge and lots of people lack the knowledge. | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. PMSL.. you are a bellend. Which bit or Ireland do you think it refers to when it says IRE? I'll give you a hint the Republic of Ireland. ie. yes, the south. As the north is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Look at the front of your passport. -Matt I am slightly surprised by the first few words of your reply . From memory you like to take the moral high ground and have consistently stated that your posts are of a higher quality than others because you like to cross reference your opinions to facts . From memory you also said that you have done some lecturing . If a student asked you a question , would you use the same opening words that you used in the post or does your tolerance only extend to certain sections of society ? Regardless of the terminology used to define how the country is split I am entitled to a passport from each so I am not certain as to how looking at a passport would help . Many people confuse how Ireland is split and quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification . If I am analysing data I like to be absolutely certain what it is that I am analysing . Where necessary it is preferable to seek advice rather than plough blinding ahead . I have even had an insurance company withdraw cover because they did not understand the difference . ( their error and it was reinstated once they understood the difference ) . The definition may be simple to you but to lots of people it is not . If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit." You have made a rather strange assumption here . The currency to which I am referring is Sterling. !!! I cannot see many people attempting to make payment in the UK in Euros ?. Out of curiosity why did you think I was referring to Euros ?. I would hope that having a house in Belfast would mean that I would fully aware of the difference between the two countries . It seems strange to describe it as a knowledge gap. When making payments in England many shop staff are unaware of the difference and often refer the matter to a supervisor . I do not have any issue with that , they are merely doing their job. | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. PMSL.. you are a bellend. Which bit or Ireland do you think it refers to when it says IRE? I'll give you a hint the Republic of Ireland. ie. yes, the south. As the north is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Look at the front of your passport. -Matt I am slightly surprised by the first few words of your reply . From memory you like to take the moral high ground and have consistently stated that your posts are of a higher quality than others because you like to cross reference your opinions to facts . From memory you also said that you have done some lecturing . If a student asked you a question , would you use the same opening words that you used in the post or does your tolerance only extend to certain sections of society ? Regardless of the terminology used to define how the country is split I am entitled to a passport from each so I am not certain as to how looking at a passport would help . Many people confuse how Ireland is split and quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification . If I am analysing data I like to be absolutely certain what it is that I am analysing . Where necessary it is preferable to seek advice rather than plough blinding ahead . I have even had an insurance company withdraw cover because they did not understand the difference . ( their error and it was reinstated once they understood the difference ) . The definition may be simple to you but to lots of people it is not . If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. You have made a rather strange assumption here . The currency to which I am referring is Sterling. !!! I cannot see many people attempting to make payment in the UK in Euros ?. Out of curiosity why did you think I was referring to Euros ?. I would hope that having a house in Belfast would mean that I would fully aware of the difference between the two countries . It seems strange to describe it as a knowledge gap. When making payments in England many shop staff are unaware of the difference and often refer the matter to a supervisor . I do not have any issue with that , they are merely doing their job. " What you said... "quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification ." | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. PMSL.. you are a bellend. Which bit or Ireland do you think it refers to when it says IRE? I'll give you a hint the Republic of Ireland. ie. yes, the south. As the north is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Look at the front of your passport. -Matt I am slightly surprised by the first few words of your reply . From memory you like to take the moral high ground and have consistently stated that your posts are of a higher quality than others because you like to cross reference your opinions to facts . From memory you also said that you have done some lecturing . If a student asked you a question , would you use the same opening words that you used in the post or does your tolerance only extend to certain sections of society ? Regardless of the terminology used to define how the country is split I am entitled to a passport from each so I am not certain as to how looking at a passport would help . Many people confuse how Ireland is split and quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification . If I am analysing data I like to be absolutely certain what it is that I am analysing . Where necessary it is preferable to seek advice rather than plough blinding ahead . I have even had an insurance company withdraw cover because they did not understand the difference . ( their error and it was reinstated once they understood the difference ) . The definition may be simple to you but to lots of people it is not . If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. You have made a rather strange assumption here . The currency to which I am referring is Sterling. !!! I cannot see many people attempting to make payment in the UK in Euros ?. Out of curiosity why did you think I was referring to Euros ?. I would hope that having a house in Belfast would mean that I would fully aware of the difference between the two countries . It seems strange to describe it as a knowledge gap. When making payments in England many shop staff are unaware of the difference and often refer the matter to a supervisor . I do not have any issue with that , they are merely doing their job. What you said... "quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification ."" Yes . That is exactly what I said . However the North of Ireland uses sterling and the South of Ireland Euros . Why would anyone attempt to make payment in a UK shop in Euros .?. | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. PMSL.. you are a bellend. Which bit or Ireland do you think it refers to when it says IRE? I'll give you a hint the Republic of Ireland. ie. yes, the south. As the north is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Look at the front of your passport. -Matt I am slightly surprised by the first few words of your reply . From memory you like to take the moral high ground and have consistently stated that your posts are of a higher quality than others because you like to cross reference your opinions to facts . From memory you also said that you have done some lecturing . If a student asked you a question , would you use the same opening words that you used in the post or does your tolerance only extend to certain sections of society ? Regardless of the terminology used to define how the country is split I am entitled to a passport from each so I am not certain as to how looking at a passport would help . Many people confuse how Ireland is split and quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification . If I am analysing data I like to be absolutely certain what it is that I am analysing . Where necessary it is preferable to seek advice rather than plough blinding ahead . I have even had an insurance company withdraw cover because they did not understand the difference . ( their error and it was reinstated once they understood the difference ) . The definition may be simple to you but to lots of people it is not . If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. You have made a rather strange assumption here . The currency to which I am referring is Sterling. !!! I cannot see many people attempting to make payment in the UK in Euros ?. Out of curiosity why did you think I was referring to Euros ?. I would hope that having a house in Belfast would mean that I would fully aware of the difference between the two countries . It seems strange to describe it as a knowledge gap. When making payments in England many shop staff are unaware of the difference and often refer the matter to a supervisor . I do not have any issue with that , they are merely doing their job. What you said... "quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification ." Yes . That is exactly what I said . However the North of Ireland uses sterling and the South of Ireland Euros . Why would anyone attempt to make payment in a UK shop in Euros .?. " Stop digging ffs. We all make mistakes, it's no big deal. You didn't know the IRE means Eire and you seemingly easily confuse Eire with N Ireland. It's fine. | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. PMSL.. you are a bellend. Which bit or Ireland do you think it refers to when it says IRE? I'll give you a hint the Republic of Ireland. ie. yes, the south. As the north is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Look at the front of your passport. -Matt I am slightly surprised by the first few words of your reply . From memory you like to take the moral high ground and have consistently stated that your posts are of a higher quality than others because you like to cross reference your opinions to facts . From memory you also said that you have done some lecturing . If a student asked you a question , would you use the same opening words that you used in the post or does your tolerance only extend to certain sections of society ? Regardless of the terminology used to define how the country is split I am entitled to a passport from each so I am not certain as to how looking at a passport would help . Many people confuse how Ireland is split and quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification . If I am analysing data I like to be absolutely certain what it is that I am analysing . Where necessary it is preferable to seek advice rather than plough blinding ahead . I have even had an insurance company withdraw cover because they did not understand the difference . ( their error and it was reinstated once they understood the difference ) . The definition may be simple to you but to lots of people it is not . If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. You have made a rather strange assumption here . The currency to which I am referring is Sterling. !!! I cannot see many people attempting to make payment in the UK in Euros ?. Out of curiosity why did you think I was referring to Euros ?. I would hope that having a house in Belfast would mean that I would fully aware of the difference between the two countries . It seems strange to describe it as a knowledge gap. When making payments in England many shop staff are unaware of the difference and often refer the matter to a supervisor . I do not have any issue with that , they are merely doing their job. What you said... "quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification ." Yes . That is exactly what I said . However the North of Ireland uses sterling and the South of Ireland Euros . Why would anyone attempt to make payment in a UK shop in Euros .?. Stop digging ffs. We all make mistakes, it's no big deal. You didn't know the IRE means Eire and you seemingly easily confuse Eire with N Ireland. It's fine. " I am slightly surprised that you suggest that I do not know the difference between the two countries , especially as I am from one of them. My initial interest was in the result of the poll and what criteria the polling company used for their classification. I asked the question because many people get it wrong and if the polling company were small they may also get it wrong . | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% The figure for Ireland at 90 % looks highly suspect . Why would so many people in Ireland want to remain in the EU. Does Ireland include all of Ireland or just the South.? The figure for Ireland can be ignored . It is meaningless . It looks like their sample was highly biased.. PMSL.. you are a bellend. Which bit or Ireland do you think it refers to when it says IRE? I'll give you a hint the Republic of Ireland. ie. yes, the south. As the north is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Look at the front of your passport. -Matt I am slightly surprised by the first few words of your reply . From memory you like to take the moral high ground and have consistently stated that your posts are of a higher quality than others because you like to cross reference your opinions to facts . From memory you also said that you have done some lecturing . If a student asked you a question , would you use the same opening words that you used in the post or does your tolerance only extend to certain sections of society ? Regardless of the terminology used to define how the country is split I am entitled to a passport from each so I am not certain as to how looking at a passport would help . Many people confuse how Ireland is split and quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification . If I am analysing data I like to be absolutely certain what it is that I am analysing . Where necessary it is preferable to seek advice rather than plough blinding ahead . I have even had an insurance company withdraw cover because they did not understand the difference . ( their error and it was reinstated once they understood the difference ) . The definition may be simple to you but to lots of people it is not . If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. You have made a rather strange assumption here . The currency to which I am referring is Sterling. !!! I cannot see many people attempting to make payment in the UK in Euros ?. Out of curiosity why did you think I was referring to Euros ?. I would hope that having a house in Belfast would mean that I would fully aware of the difference between the two countries . It seems strange to describe it as a knowledge gap. When making payments in England many shop staff are unaware of the difference and often refer the matter to a supervisor . I do not have any issue with that , they are merely doing their job. What you said... "quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification ." Yes . That is exactly what I said . However the North of Ireland uses sterling and the South of Ireland Euros . Why would anyone attempt to make payment in a UK shop in Euros .?. Stop digging ffs. We all make mistakes, it's no big deal. You didn't know the IRE means Eire and you seemingly easily confuse Eire with N Ireland. It's fine. I am slightly surprised that you suggest that I do not know the difference between the two countries , especially as I am from one of them. My initial interest was in the result of the poll and what criteria the polling company used for their classification. I asked the question because many people get it wrong and if the polling company were small they may also get it wrong . " Have another spade | |||
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" If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. It is a knowledge defecit. But lots of people possess it! Smart arse but well spottef
I didn't spot the spelling! I meant it is a lack of knowledge and lots of people lack the knowledge."Unfortunately there are some idiots out there, a colleague and I had to travel up to Scotland for some training from our office in Cardiff, our admin assistant asked if she needed to get any Euros for us
However, just because there are some idiots out there, we shouldn't use the lowest common denominator and assume that all or even most people dont know the difference between Eire and NI, or that we generally use £s in the UK, not €s, especially if you live in this country | |||
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" If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. It is a knowledge defecit. But lots of people possess it! Smart arse but well spottef
I didn't spot the spelling! I meant it is a lack of knowledge and lots of people lack the knowledge.
Unfortunately there are some idiots out there, a colleague and I had to travel up to Scotland for some training from our office in Cardiff, our admin assistant asked if she needed to get any Euros for us
However, just because there are some idiots out there, we shouldn't use the lowest common denominator and assume that all or even most people dont know the difference between Eire and NI, or that we generally use £s in the UK, not €s, especially if you live in this country"In the case to which you refer about Scotland I do not think that I would refer to someone who was trying to be helpfull as an idiot . Is it not better to treat people with respect ?. I think everyone knows the difference between Eire and NI , the confusion arises when people start to classify what is Ireland for various different purposes . The fact remains that various shop staff are uncertain as to what is legal tender and often check with a supervisor before accepting the currency . This would tend to indicate that many do not understand the difference , especially if Bank of Ireland notes are tendered . | |||
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" If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. It is a knowledge defecit. But lots of people possess it! Smart arse but well spottef
I didn't spot the spelling! I meant it is a lack of knowledge and lots of people lack the knowledge.
Unfortunately there are some idiots out there, a colleague and I had to travel up to Scotland for some training from our office in Cardiff, our admin assistant asked if she needed to get any Euros for us
However, just because there are some idiots out there, we shouldn't use the lowest common denominator and assume that all or even most people dont know the difference between Eire and NI, or that we generally use £s in the UK, not €s, especially if you live in this country In the case to which you refer about Scotland I do not think that I would refer to someone who was trying to be helpfull as an idiot . Is it not better to treat people with respect ?. I think everyone knows the difference between Eire and NI , the confusion arises when people start to classify what is Ireland for various different purposes .
The fact remains that various shop staff are uncertain as to what is legal tender and often check with a supervisor before accepting the currency . This would tend to indicate that many do not understand the difference , especially if Bank of Ireland notes are tendered . "In the republic of Ireland they use the Euro as their official currency. I would call anyone an idiot who is born and bred in the UK and do not know what currency we use in the UK. | |||
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"Or so we keep being told by the Brexiters. Support for euro membership, % remain: AT 65% FRA 71% GRE 69% SPA 74% PT 76% BE 77% NL 78% FI 80% DE 84% IRE 90% ITA 59% " Polls have not been doing too well over the past few years have they!!! | |||
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"Can someone please spell out the mechanism for this imminent collapse? If the collapse is so definite surely someone can answer my damn question??? " It's not going to collapse then? | |||
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"Can someone please spell out the mechanism for this imminent collapse? If the collapse is so definite surely someone can answer my damn question??? It's not going to collapse then? " Time will tell "Watch and Learn" be patient | |||
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"Can someone please spell out the mechanism for this imminent collapse? If the collapse is so definite surely someone can answer my damn question??? It's not going to collapse then? Time will tell "Watch and Learn" be patient " Can you explain how? Roughly? | |||
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"Can someone please spell out the mechanism for this imminent collapse? If the collapse is so definite surely someone can answer my damn question??? It's not going to collapse then? Time will tell "Watch and Learn" be patient Can you explain how? Roughly? " It has already begun. I don't know if you noticed but the UK is leaving. Apart from the rise of anti EU parties and elections across Europe this year which could go any way, then the next biggest problem will come in June and July when Greece fails to repay its debt, leading to the collapse of the Eurozone and then inevitably the EU | |||
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"And are those things mentioned strong enough to cause failure or just a bit of trouble to be dealt with? I'm seeing the logicpath even if all the right wing parties get in and Greece goes bust. If the Eu collapses will Britain suffer badly seeing as it has the 2nd highest debt in the world " It will suffer but when the EU collapses, whose fault will it have been | |||
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"And are those things mentioned strong enough to cause failure or just a bit of trouble to be dealt with? I'm seeing the logicpath even if all the right wing parties get in and Greece goes bust. If the Eu collapses will Britain suffer badly seeing as it has the 2nd highest debt in the world It will suffer but when the EU collapses, whose fault will it have been" if the EU fails it will take Britain down with it | |||
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"And are those things mentioned strong enough to cause failure or just a bit of trouble to be dealt with? I'm seeing the logicpath even if all the right wing parties get in and Greece goes bust. If the Eu collapses will Britain suffer badly seeing as it has the 2nd highest debt in the world It will suffer but when the EU collapses, whose fault will it have been" Probably your own | |||
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"Can someone please spell out the mechanism for this imminent collapse? If the collapse is so definite surely someone can answer my damn question??? It's not going to collapse then? Time will tell "Watch and Learn" be patient Can you explain how? Roughly? It has already begun. I don't know if you noticed but the UK is leaving. Apart from the rise of anti EU parties and elections across Europe this year which could go any way, then the next biggest problem will come in June and July when Greece fails to repay its debt, leading to the collapse of the Eurozone and then inevitably the EU" I'm not sure they will let Greece be in such a position as then surely its all the other's Italy and Spain etc who will tumble.. such a thing would have global consequences both financially and social that i can't see the EU, IMF and other major economies wanting or indeed allowing .. I'm not saying i agree with how on that side it's been allowed or even possibly wanted to be the case by some but its not how most of us would run our own affairs.. | |||
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" If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. It is a knowledge defecit. But lots of people possess it! Smart arse but well spottef
I didn't spot the spelling! I meant it is a lack of knowledge and lots of people lack the knowledge.
Unfortunately there are some idiots out there, a colleague and I had to travel up to Scotland for some training from our office in Cardiff, our admin assistant asked if she needed to get any Euros for us
However, just because there are some idiots out there, we shouldn't use the lowest common denominator and assume that all or even most people dont know the difference between Eire and NI, or that we generally use £s in the UK, not €s, especially if you live in this country In the case to which you refer about Scotland I do not think that I would refer to someone who was trying to be helpfull as an idiot . Is it not better to treat people with respect ?. I think everyone knows the difference between Eire and NI , the confusion arises when people start to classify what is Ireland for various different purposes .
The fact remains that various shop staff are uncertain as to what is legal tender and often check with a supervisor before accepting the currency . This would tend to indicate that many do not understand the difference , especially if Bank of Ireland notes are tendered .
In the republic of Ireland they use the Euro as their official currency. I would call anyone an idiot who is born and bred in the UK and do not know what currency we use in the UK. "That is a rather insulting attitude towards the shop staff concerned . Personally I prefer to treat people with dignity and respect. Many shop staff are quite young and may not recognise the difference between Irish , English and Scottish bank notes. | |||
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"Uk June 2015. Remain - 70% So how did that work out??
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.....and all those polls in America which said Hillary Clinton was a sure fire winner for the Presidency, how did that work out?
The polls said she'd win the popular vote by 2-3% and that was correct."The polls said she'd become the president ..... But that was bollocks. | |||
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" If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. It is a knowledge defecit. But lots of people possess it! Smart arse but well spottef
I didn't spot the spelling! I meant it is a lack of knowledge and lots of people lack the knowledge.
Unfortunately there are some idiots out there, a colleague and I had to travel up to Scotland for some training from our office in Cardiff, our admin assistant asked if she needed to get any Euros for us
However, just because there are some idiots out there, we shouldn't use the lowest common denominator and assume that all or even most people dont know the difference between Eire and NI, or that we generally use £s in the UK, not €s, especially if you live in this country In the case to which you refer about Scotland I do not think that I would refer to someone who was trying to be helpfull as an idiot . Is it not better to treat people with respect ?. I think everyone knows the difference between Eire and NI , the confusion arises when people start to classify what is Ireland for various different purposes .
The fact remains that various shop staff are uncertain as to what is legal tender and often check with a supervisor before accepting the currency . This would tend to indicate that many do not understand the difference , especially if Bank of Ireland notes are tendered .
In the republic of Ireland they use the Euro as their official currency. I would call anyone an idiot who is born and bred in the UK and do not know what currency we use in the UK. That is a rather insulting attitude towards the shop staff concerned . Personally I prefer to treat people with dignity and respect. Many shop staff are quite young and may not recognise the difference between Irish , English and Scottish bank notes. "Pat, they don't use £ in the republic of Ireland. They use €. | |||
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"Uk June 2015. Remain - 70% So how did that work out??
top of me head
.....and all those polls in America which said Hillary Clinton was a sure fire winner for the Presidency, how did that work out?
The polls said she'd win the popular vote by 2-3% and that was correct.
The polls said she'd become the president ..... But that was bollocks."Thats not how the polls work. Polls said she'd win the popular vote by 2-3% and she did. Commentators took that to mean she would be president because it left Trump with the narrowist path possible to win, which he ended up taking. But there was nothing wrong with the polls themselves. Even throughout the primaries the polls predicted Trump would win most of the contests he did but commentators ignored it because they felt they knew better. The only big polling miss was Michigan in the democratic primary which was way off. | |||
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"Can someone please spell out the mechanism for this imminent collapse? If the collapse is so definite surely someone can answer my damn question??? It's not going to collapse then? Time will tell "Watch and Learn" be patient Can you explain how? Roughly? " He should have said the future is unwritten. Time will tell. 3 days until the next election results. | |||
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"One of the reasons we were told Brexit was a good idea was that Europe was on the verge of collapse and was no good for it's people. Brexiters also said, because of course they have such concern for the people of Europe, a vote for Leave would precipitate it's collapse. The latests polls show what a(nother) crock of shit that is from the brexiters.what about the crock of shit we were told in the first common market referendum .it was meant to be about trade among the nine countries at the time .they said they would not try and be some kind of European superstate .Harold Wilson told nowt but porkies back then .I waited all this time to put right a wrong .and for all the moaners .most of them can't remember what this country was like before we joined .speak to the people who have been on both sides of the fence .they're the ones who really know .I'm glad we are out .Europe will collapse its a case of when not if .I'm British I'm proud to be British .if the moaners stopped crying in their milk this country would get going again an awful lot sooner .as for the house of lords well they are long overdue being put out to pasture .Why wait 2 years we are out ,deal with it " nice 1 very well put | |||
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"The goverment is selling a rosie idea of a paradise without any consequences lol." I've not seen or heard them selling a Rosie future, but they do say hard work a positive attitude and a willingness to succeed and thrive will definitely help the UK ???? to survive post EU slavery. Or should we look to the moaning pessimistic remoaners for a solution. Should we look to those lacking Drive vision and a will to succeed. I think not | |||
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"Can someone please spell out the mechanism for this imminent collapse? If the collapse is so definite surely someone can answer my damn question??? It's not going to collapse then? Time will tell "Watch and Learn" be patient " | |||
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"The goverment is selling a rosie idea of a paradise without any consequences lol. I've not seen or heard them selling a Rosie future, but they do say hard work a positive attitude and a willingness to succeed and thrive will definitely help the UK ???? to survive post EU slavery. Or should we look to the moaning pessimistic remoaners for a solution. Should we look to those lacking Drive vision and a will to succeed. I think not" So how do you see yourself being materially better off outside of the EU? Presumably you will be adopting the hard work and positive attitude mantra yourself and so will you be materially better off? | |||
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"The goverment is selling a rosie idea of a paradise without any consequences lol. I've not seen or heard them selling a Rosie future, but they do say hard work a positive attitude and a willingness to succeed and thrive will definitely help the UK ???? to survive post EU slavery. Or should we look to the moaning pessimistic remoaners for a solution. Should we look to those lacking Drive vision and a will to succeed. I think not So how do you see yourself being materially better off outside of the EU? Presumably you will be adopting the hard work and positive attitude mantra yourself and so will you be materially better off?" That is right, the remainers are the realists, there wont be a rule britania that the brexitors want with flags waving as that was 300 years ago. | |||
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"eu collapse? why? explain" It's fiction. No one can explain how it will happen yet they are all convinced by the gutter press that its imminent. A perfect storm maybe destabilise it but collapse is a strong word. My prediction is EU strife will damage the UK much more than the EU due to shockingly high debt (thanks fake wars and QE...) | |||
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"eu collapse? why? explain It's fiction. No one can explain how it will happen yet they are all convinced by the gutter press that its imminent. A perfect storm maybe destabilise it but collapse is a strong word. My prediction is EU strife will damage the UK much more than the EU due to shockingly high debt (thanks fake wars and QE...) " Whose debt and QE? | |||
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"UK debt, second highest in the world. " at 80% of GDP? What is the rest of the EU's? | |||
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"The goverment is selling a rosie idea of a paradise without any consequences lol. I've not seen or heard them selling a Rosie future, but they do say hard work a positive attitude and a willingness to succeed and thrive will definitely help the UK ???? to survive post EU slavery. Or should we look to the moaning pessimistic remoaners for a solution. Should we look to those lacking Drive vision and a will to succeed. I think not So how do you see yourself being materially better off outside of the EU? Presumably you will be adopting the hard work and positive attitude mantra yourself and so will you be materially better off?" I've always adopted the work hard, don't expect a free meal mantra, and have instilled in my children the same thought Why should anybody have a free ride of society Unless of course they are so mentally or physically disabled that they need it We have way too many suckers in the UK, both home grown and imported The exit will be a 2 way street, EU leaders will want to drive a hard bargain as it has never really been for them about the people, but it has always been about their own personal political egos | |||
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"The goverment is selling a rosie idea of a paradise without any consequences lol. I've not seen or heard them selling a Rosie future, but they do say hard work a positive attitude and a willingness to succeed and thrive will definitely help the UK ???? to survive post EU slavery. Or should we look to the moaning pessimistic remoaners for a solution. Should we look to those lacking Drive vision and a will to succeed. I think not So how do you see yourself being materially better off outside of the EU? Presumably you will be adopting the hard work and positive attitude mantra yourself and so will you be materially better off? I've always adopted the work hard, don't expect a free meal mantra, and have instilled in my children the same thought Why should anybody have a free ride of society Unless of course they are so mentally or physically disabled that they need it We have way too many suckers in the UK, both home grown and imported The exit will be a 2 way street, EU leaders will want to drive a hard bargain as it has never really been for them about the people, but it has always been about their own personal political egos" So I will ask you again for clarity - how will you be materially better off outside of the EU? | |||
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"T The exit will be a 2 way street, EU leaders will want to drive a hard bargain as it has never really been for them about the people, but it has always been about their own personal political egos So I will ask you again for clarity - how will you be materially better off outside of the EU?" Too late, it is more than likely happening after today. Hopefully, people can start posting about the type deal they would like to see. Then a debate can be had around solutions that fit peoples concerns. | |||
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" If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. It is a knowledge defecit. But lots of people possess it! Smart arse but well spottef
I didn't spot the spelling! I meant it is a lack of knowledge and lots of people lack the knowledge.
Unfortunately there are some idiots out there, a colleague and I had to travel up to Scotland for some training from our office in Cardiff, our admin assistant asked if she needed to get any Euros for us
However, just because there are some idiots out there, we shouldn't use the lowest common denominator and assume that all or even most people dont know the difference between Eire and NI, or that we generally use £s in the UK, not €s, especially if you live in this country In the case to which you refer about Scotland I do not think that I would refer to someone who was trying to be helpfull as an idiot . Is it not better to treat people with respect ?. I think everyone knows the difference between Eire and NI , the confusion arises when people start to classify what is Ireland for various different purposes .
The fact remains that various shop staff are uncertain as to what is legal tender and often check with a supervisor before accepting the currency . This would tend to indicate that many do not understand the difference , especially if Bank of Ireland notes are tendered .
In the republic of Ireland they use the Euro as their official currency. I would call anyone an idiot who is born and bred in the UK and do not know what currency we use in the UK. That is a rather insulting attitude towards the shop staff concerned . Personally I prefer to treat people with dignity and respect. Many shop staff are quite young and may not recognise the difference between Irish , English and Scottish bank notes.
Pat, they don't use £ in the republic of Ireland. They use €. "I would have thought that being from Northen Ireland and with many family members being from the Republic of Irelamd I would be aware of that. Whilst I appreciate your advice I am not sure in which context you choose to raise it and more importantly why? | |||
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" If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. It is a knowledge defecit. But lots of people possess it! Smart arse but well spottef
I didn't spot the spelling! I meant it is a lack of knowledge and lots of people lack the knowledge.
Unfortunately there are some idiots out there, a colleague and I had to travel up to Scotland for some training from our office in Cardiff, our admin assistant asked if she needed to get any Euros for us
However, just because there are some idiots out there, we shouldn't use the lowest common denominator and assume that all or even most people dont know the difference between Eire and NI, or that we generally use £s in the UK, not €s, especially if you live in this country In the case to which you refer about Scotland I do not think that I would refer to someone who was trying to be helpfull as an idiot . Is it not better to treat people with respect ?. I think everyone knows the difference between Eire and NI , the confusion arises when people start to classify what is Ireland for various different purposes .
The fact remains that various shop staff are uncertain as to what is legal tender and often check with a supervisor before accepting the currency . This would tend to indicate that many do not understand the difference , especially if Bank of Ireland notes are tendered .
In the republic of Ireland they use the Euro as their official currency. I would call anyone an idiot who is born and bred in the UK and do not know what currency we use in the UK. That is a rather insulting attitude towards the shop staff concerned . Personally I prefer to treat people with dignity and respect. Many shop staff are quite young and may not recognise the difference between Irish , English and Scottish bank notes.
Pat, they don't use £ in the republic of Ireland. They use €. I would have thought that being from Northen Ireland and with many family members being from the Republic of Irelamd I would be aware of that.
Whilst I appreciate your advice I am not sure in which context you choose to raise it and more importantly why? "I think the confusion here Pat is that based on you saying: "Many people confuse how Ireland is split and quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification " They assumed you were referring to travelling back from the Republic of Ireland not Northern Ireland. I guess most British people would refer to Northern Ireland as Northern Ireland and not Ireland as that would be the Republic of Ireland. -Matt | |||
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"The goverment is selling a rosie idea of a paradise without any consequences lol. I've not seen or heard them selling a Rosie future, but they do say hard work a positive attitude and a willingness to succeed and thrive will definitely help the UK ???? to survive post EU slavery. Or should we look to the moaning pessimistic remoaners for a solution. Should we look to those lacking Drive vision and a will to succeed. I think not So how do you see yourself being materially better off outside of the EU? Presumably you will be adopting the hard work and positive attitude mantra yourself and so will you be materially better off? I've always adopted the work hard, don't expect a free meal mantra, and have instilled in my children the same thought Why should anybody have a free ride of society Unless of course they are so mentally or physically disabled that they need it We have way too many suckers in the UK, both home grown and imported The exit will be a 2 way street, EU leaders will want to drive a hard bargain as it has never really been for them about the people, but it has always been about their own personal political egos So I will ask you again for clarity - how will you be materially better off outside of the EU?" How will you be better off in the EU? When voting to stay in the EU, did you know what you were voting for? Did people who voted to remain in the EEC in 1975 know that they were voting fir more than a 'common market'? That they were voting for a political union that would grow from a handful of nations that wanted better trade with each other to 28 countries in what is fast becoming a federal state? When voting to remain what vision of the EU in 20/30/40 years time were you voting for? And do you think that everyone who voted to remain had the exact same expectations and vision as you? Can you even answer what the outcome of the negotiations that Cameron successfully held with the EU were? What was the detail of the 4 year immigration/benefits taper? | |||
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" If you use Euro's in the shops in England when you come back from Ireland then it is hardly surprising you get queried. Also, I would disagree entirely that "many people are confused" about how Ireland is split. If you don't know the difference between Eire and N. Ireland it is a pretty significant knowledge deficit. It is a knowledge defecit. But lots of people possess it! Smart arse but well spottef
I didn't spot the spelling! I meant it is a lack of knowledge and lots of people lack the knowledge.
Unfortunately there are some idiots out there, a colleague and I had to travel up to Scotland for some training from our office in Cardiff, our admin assistant asked if she needed to get any Euros for us
However, just because there are some idiots out there, we shouldn't use the lowest common denominator and assume that all or even most people dont know the difference between Eire and NI, or that we generally use £s in the UK, not €s, especially if you live in this country In the case to which you refer about Scotland I do not think that I would refer to someone who was trying to be helpfull as an idiot . Is it not better to treat people with respect ?. I think everyone knows the difference between Eire and NI , the confusion arises when people start to classify what is Ireland for various different purposes .
The fact remains that various shop staff are uncertain as to what is legal tender and often check with a supervisor before accepting the currency . This would tend to indicate that many do not understand the difference , especially if Bank of Ireland notes are tendered .
In the republic of Ireland they use the Euro as their official currency. I would call anyone an idiot who is born and bred in the UK and do not know what currency we use in the UK. That is a rather insulting attitude towards the shop staff concerned . Personally I prefer to treat people with dignity and respect. Many shop staff are quite young and may not recognise the difference between Irish , English and Scottish bank notes.
Pat, they don't use £ in the republic of Ireland. They use €. I would have thought that being from Northen Ireland and with many family members being from the Republic of Irelamd I would be aware of that.
Whilst I appreciate your advice I am not sure in which context you choose to raise it and more importantly why?
I think the confusion here Pat is that based on you saying:
Many people confuse how Ireland is split and quite often in shops the tender which I use to pay for goods on return from Ireland is either queried or referred to a manager for clarification
They assumed you were referring to travelling back from the Republic of Ireland not Northern Ireland. I guess most British people would refer to Northern Ireland as Northern Ireland and not Ireland as that would be the Republic of Ireland.
-Matt"However I try and use a description on the forum that will not offend anyone as some posters are very sensitive to the names or terminolgy used. That is why I was surprised that at least three English posters who post regularly on these forums and who like to consider themselves the virtue of tolerance and equality seemed to think that it was acceptable to make sarcastic comments about the use of the currency and in addition deemed it necessary to define how Ireland is split . If they had ever worked near the Irish border or in Ireland they might realise that the split means different things to different people . Confusion often arises in shops as to what is valid tender . Any shop assistance querying the tender used is simply doing their job and should be treated with respect ( and not deemed to be silly as one poster suggested ) I prefer to treat people with respect and avoid making sarcastic comments ( which in any event reflect on the author of the sarcastic comment , not the recipient ) | |||
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" So I will ask you again for clarity - how will you be materially better off outside of the EU? How will you be better off in the EU? " Leavers can't formulate a cohesive fact driven answer as to how they or the UK will be materially better off leaving the EU at all, that's why not one of them has done it. Instead they always reverse the question how are we going to be better off staying in the EU which totally backfires on them since we have a good growing economy doing well on trade reducing our deficit and thats with us in the EU. So being in the EU we're growing and improving. So back to the Brexiteers, how will things continue to improve and faster by leaving the EU ? It's a very simple question. | |||
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"Can i ask if the approval rating for the eu in the netherlands is really 78% why is gert wilders forecast to come out at worst a narrow second today and at best winning?" Um. He is likely to get 20% of votes. Which means 80% won't approve of him. | |||
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"Is Europes collapse or survival solely based on whether Pat brought back Euros or Bank of Ulster Pounds? Now I'm worried.... " The collapse would be cos of the immigration crisis, the survival would be if they would restrict it, history will judge eu hard. | |||
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" So I will ask you again for clarity - how will you be materially better off outside of the EU? How will you be better off in the EU? Leavers can't formulate a cohesive fact driven answer as to how they or the UK will be materially better off leaving the EU at all, that's why not one of them has done it. " There seems to be a key difference in the mentality of Remainers and Brexiters, in that Remainers appear to be only looking at this from a selfish 'what's in it for me?' mentality. Leave voters on the other hand look at it from the mentality of what is best for the country, and what type of country do we want to live in now and in the future. How I personally will benefit materially from Brexit was way down on the list of priorities when I voted Leave. At the forefront of my mind when I voted Leave was the type of country I want to live in which is a country that has full control of its own sovereignty, full control of its own borders and to live in a country where UK law is supreme over EU law. Also looking at the future direction of the EU it looks increasingly more federalist and is heading towards a united states of Europe. I don't want the UK to be dragged into that, not now and not in the future. | |||
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" So I will ask you again for clarity - how will you be materially better off outside of the EU? How will you be better off in the EU? Leavers can't formulate a cohesive fact driven answer as to how they or the UK will be materially better off leaving the EU at all, that's why not one of them has done it. There seems to be a key difference in the mentality of Remainers and Brexiters, in that Remainers appear to be only looking at this from a selfish 'what's in it for me?' mentality. Leave voters on the other hand look at it from the mentality of what is best for the country, and what type of country do we want to live in now and in the future. How I personally will benefit materially from Brexit was way down on the list of priorities when I voted Leave. At the forefront of my mind when I voted Leave was the type of country I want to live in which is a country that has full control of its own sovereignty, full control of its own borders and to live in a country where UK law is supreme over EU law. Also looking at the future direction of the EU it looks increasingly more federalist and is heading towards a united states of Europe. I don't want the UK to be dragged into that, not now and not in the future. " | |||
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" So I will ask you again for clarity - how will you be materially better off outside of the EU? How will you be better off in the EU? Leavers can't formulate a cohesive fact driven answer as to how they or the UK will be materially better off leaving the EU at all, that's why not one of them has done it. There seems to be a key difference in the mentality of Remainers and Brexiters, in that Remainers appear to be only looking at this from a selfish 'what's in it for me?' mentality. Leave voters on the other hand look at it from the mentality of what is best for the country, and what type of country do we want to live in now and in the future. How I personally will benefit materially from Brexit was way down on the list of priorities when I voted Leave. At the forefront of my mind when I voted Leave was the type of country I want to live in which is a country that has full control of its own sovereignty, full control of its own borders and to live in a country where UK law is supreme over EU law. Also looking at the future direction of the EU it looks increasingly more federalist and is heading towards a united states of Europe. I don't want the UK to be dragged into that, not now and not in the future. " I see the opposite (I know, you are surprised, right? ) most of the people I know who voted remain all did so as they have a feeling that co-operation and collaboration with our nearest neighbours is the best for social cohesion and a shared better future. Most of them are worried that leaving the EU will result in the rights of workers and citizens being eroded. And that it is the most disadvantaged that this will hurt the most. Many of them have friends and colleagues or kids that this will directly impact.
The people I see on here that voted to leave, seem to talk mainly because they feel that there is a better future in the UK being outside the EU. Fair enough. But they are unable to articulate why this is. They have a view that 'anything is better than what we have now' as they don't actually know any specifics of what they are aiming for other than the vague concepts like you mentioned above. Not helped by Theresa May saying "No deal is better than a bad deal", Liam Fox saying "No deal would be bad" and David Davis saying "We've not actually worked out the cost of no deal". Not very reassuring. Don't get me wrong, I think those concepts you mention are very desirable when taken in isolation. I mean, who doesn't want a sovereign nation? Who doesn't want border controls? However I feel that those that voted to leave look at these issues in simple isolation and don't realise or understand the wider impact of them. And when pressed for details as to why they think these things are desirable, or how they will be achieved they have no idea.
e.g if I said "Do you want a pot of gold?" then you'd of course, say yes, why not? If I said "Do you want a pot of gold, but you need to go and fetch it from that sleeping dragon over there" you might come back with a different answer. You might still say you do, and go and get it. That is fine. But pretending the dragon isn't there, or that if you wake it that it won't eat you is just daft. You might decide that the risk of waking a sleeping dragon and nicking it's pot of gold is too high a risk you want to take. You still want the gold... but you've decided that actually getting home to your wife and kids with all your limbs might be more desirable.
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" So I will ask you again for clarity - how will you be materially better off outside of the EU? How will you be better off in the EU? Leavers can't formulate a cohesive fact driven answer as to how they or the UK will be materially better off leaving the EU at all, that's why not one of them has done it. There seems to be a key difference in the mentality of Remainers and Brexiters, in that Remainers appear to be only looking at this from a selfish 'what's in it for me?' mentality. Leave voters on the other hand look at it from the mentality of what is best for the country, and what type of country do we want to live in now and in the future. How I personally will benefit materially from Brexit was way down on the list of priorities when I voted Leave. At the forefront of my mind when I voted Leave was the type of country I want to live in which is a country that has full control of its own sovereignty, full control of its own borders and to live in a country where UK law is supreme over EU law. Also looking at the future direction of the EU it looks increasingly more federalist and is heading towards a united states of Europe. I don't want the UK to be dragged into that, not now and not in the future. " I voted remain not to benefit me.I voted for the same reasons you just listed the type of country i wanted to live in.An open and tolerant liberal country which welcomes all people and isnt fearful of foreigners.The multicultural society i grow up in isnt going anywhere.Its integrated its expanding its part of my family and friends.I voted for a country that would be tolerant to my non white family and friends and children.I see brexit as temporary set back in the zeitgeist.Economically i doubt much will change for most of us.Buisness as usual for the middle aged middle classes.The only people that get squeezed are the bottom. | |||
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" So I will ask you again for clarity - how will you be materially better off outside of the EU? How will you be better off in the EU? Leavers can't formulate a cohesive fact driven answer as to how they or the UK will be materially better off leaving the EU at all, that's why not one of them has done it. There seems to be a key difference in the mentality of Remainers and Brexiters, in that Remainers appear to be only looking at this from a selfish 'what's in it for me?' mentality. Leave voters on the other hand look at it from the mentality of what is best for the country, and what type of country do we want to live in now and in the future. How I personally will benefit materially from Brexit was way down on the list of priorities when I voted Leave. At the forefront of my mind when I voted Leave was the type of country I want to live in which is a country that has full control of its own sovereignty, full control of its own borders and to live in a country where UK law is supreme over EU law. Also looking at the future direction of the EU it looks increasingly more federalist and is heading towards a united states of Europe. I don't want the UK to be dragged into that, not now and not in the future. " what a crock.. basing a whole rambling pile of suppositions, what if's and maybe on a complete fabrication which is based on what? certainly not the ability to be objective.. may as well just have said 'enemies of the people', equally bollocks.. you and other's know full well that the common theme on both sides is that pretty much everyone wants what is best for the UK long term.. why wouldn't anyone..? the difference is in how the impacts of last years vote will be in the long term and not even some amateur soothsayer such as you Centaur can guess that one.. my own personal affairs are sorted and whatever happens will have a minimal affect on my life but i didn't vote on that, i voted for the children of my children and future generations.. | |||
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"And what about my damn question? nobody likes your question, try another one "I wonder why that is? Apart from reading some shite in the tabloids and falling for the headline, no one can explain it.. Blind faith | |||
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"There was me thinking the best thing to do was collect data, analyse, form a reasoned logical plan. Turns out brexiters idea of what is required is a positive attitude. So it's not hard brexit, soft brexit or red white and blue brexit we are getting, it's a homeopathic brexit. Fuck me. " And what will the data actually do for me in the end apart from generate more data In the end you have to knuckle down and get in with your things Data is just that data, and it can be manipulated to provide which ever answer you are searching for | |||
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"never mind Europe, what about africa "Who gives a fuck about Africa, it was hungry and in a mess when I was 5. Fifty years later it's hardly much different. It's was a fucked up continent then, and it still is and will still be fucked up in another 50yrs time | |||
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" So I will ask you again for clarity - how will you be materially better off outside of the EU? How will you be better off in the EU? Leavers can't formulate a cohesive fact driven answer as to how they or the UK will be materially better off leaving the EU at all, that's why not one of them has done it. There seems to be a key difference in the mentality of Remainers and Brexiters, in that Remainers appear to be only looking at this from a selfish 'what's in it for me?' mentality. Leave voters on the other hand look at it from the mentality of what is best for the country, and what type of country do we want to live in now and in the future. How I personally will benefit materially from Brexit was way down on the list of priorities when I voted Leave. At the forefront of my mind when I voted Leave was the type of country I want to live in which is a country that has full control of its own sovereignty, full control of its own borders and to live in a country where UK law is supreme over EU law. Also looking at the future direction of the EU it looks increasingly more federalist and is heading towards a united states of Europe. I don't want the UK to be dragged into that, not now and not in the future. I voted remain not to benefit me.I voted for the same reasons you just listed the type of country i wanted to live in.An open and tolerant liberal country which welcomes all people and isnt fearful of foreigners.The multicultural society i grow up in isnt going anywhere.Its integrated its expanding its part of my family and friends.I voted for a country that would be tolerant to my non white family and friends and children.I see brexit as temporary set back in the zeitgeist.Economically i doubt much will change for most of us.Buisness as usual for the middle aged middle classes.The only people that get squeezed are the bottom." | |||
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"There was me thinking the best thing to do was collect data, analyse, form a reasoned logical plan. Turns out brexiters idea of what is required is a positive attitude. So it's not hard brexit, soft brexit or red white and blue brexit we are getting, it's a homeopathic brexit. Fuck me. And what will the data actually do for me in the end apart from generate more data In the end you have to knuckle down and get in with your things Data is just that data, and it can be manipulated to provide which ever answer you are searching for" Not a fan of the scientific method then.Fair enough. | |||
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"There was me thinking the best thing to do was collect data, analyse, form a reasoned logical plan. Turns out brexiters idea of what is required is a positive attitude. So it's not hard brexit, soft brexit or red white and blue brexit we are getting, it's a homeopathic brexit. Fuck me. And what will the data actually do for me in the end apart from generate more data In the end you have to knuckle down and get in with your things Data is just that data, and it can be manipulated to provide which ever answer you are searching forNot a fan of the scientific method then.Fair enough. " Ive seen it used it produced it, developed it But it will never replace hard work graft and the ability to actually deliver | |||
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"There was me thinking the best thing to do was collect data, analyse, form a reasoned logical plan. Turns out brexiters idea of what is required is a positive attitude. So it's not hard brexit, soft brexit or red white and blue brexit we are getting, it's a homeopathic brexit. Fuck me. And what will the data actually do for me in the end apart from generate more data In the end you have to knuckle down and get in with your things Data is just that data, and it can be manipulated to provide which ever answer you are searching forNot a fan of the scientific method then.Fair enough. Ive seen it used it produced it, developed it But it will never replace hard work graft and the ability to actually deliver " You can graft all you want you'll still be standing in the same spot if you think data is irrelevant. R&D is dependent on data in all fields.Each to their own i guess. | |||
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"Not a fan of the scientific method then.Fair enough. " They wouldn't have voted Leave if they were able to apply it competently. | |||
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"There was me thinking the best thing to do was collect data, analyse, form a reasoned logical plan. Turns out brexiters idea of what is required is a positive attitude. So it's not hard brexit, soft brexit or red white and blue brexit we are getting, it's a homeopathic brexit. Fuck me. And what will the data actually do for me in the end apart from generate more data In the end you have to knuckle down and get in with your things Data is just that data, and it can be manipulated to provide which ever answer you are searching forNot a fan of the scientific method then.Fair enough. Ive seen it used it produced it, developed it But it will never replace hard work graft and the ability to actually deliver " Awesome you're a data scientist? That's new world stuff. Databases are old school. | |||
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