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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be better" Do you think that would have any impact on the applicants? | |||
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"These global companies need to set up proper training facilities and encourage British unemployed to get training and work for them. Offer them incentives to do this. We have to have a total mindset change on jobs and careers such as these. The benefits chain has to be broken, but companies need to help by offering proper jobs and not such zero hours contracts. I see Weatherspoons are phasing these out in favour of proper contracts." Right. So why aren't we? This has nothing to do with Brexit. We could do this if we wanted in the past and we could do it now. What has stopped it? -Matt | |||
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"These global companies need to set up proper training facilities and encourage British unemployed to get training and work for them. Offer them incentives to do this. We have to have a total mindset change on jobs and careers such as these. The benefits chain has to be broken, but companies need to help by offering proper jobs and not such zero hours contracts. I see Weatherspoons are phasing these out in favour of proper contracts. Right. So why aren't we? This has nothing to do with Brexit. We could do this if we wanted in the past and we could do it now. What has stopped it? -Matt" An attitude that benefits are better than "menial" jobs, poor standards at school leading to an element of laziness and a culture of "here and now", with companies wanting experienced staff rather than having to train them. | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be better Do you think that would have any impact on the applicants? " who cares | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be better Do you think that would have any impact on the applicants? " We go to 3 independent coffee shops.... All staff are British. Also go to a Costa.... Again, all staff are British. | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be better Do you think that would have any impact on the applicants? We go to 3 independent coffee shops.... All staff are British. Also go to a Costa.... Again, all staff are British." So do you think the HR director mislead the Lord's, or that your local area is not representative of the national picture? | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be better Do you think that would have any impact on the applicants? We go to 3 independent coffee shops.... All staff are British. Also go to a Costa.... Again, all staff are British. So do you think the HR director mislead the Lord's, or that your local area is not representative of the national picture? " . Probably the first one. We all lie or misrepresent the truth to get what we want in life. Think about Tony Blair in parliament with wmds or Murdoch on his testimony on the phone tapping, the BBC on Jimmy savile enquiry, nearly all the journalists on the press enquiry. There not necessarily bad people doing bad things all the time but theres people with different opinions on whats best who think there doing the right and are willing to bend the truth for it! | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be better Do you think that would have any impact on the applicants? We go to 3 independent coffee shops.... All staff are British. Also go to a Costa.... Again, all staff are British. So do you think the HR director mislead the Lord's, or that your local area is not representative of the national picture? " Just looked up Pretty store locations 75% of their shops are in London. So no wonder most applicants are not British. | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be better Do you think that would have any impact on the applicants? " The 25% that are British would have more of a chance of getting a position. The Pret nearest me appears to be entirely British and I am in a London Borough so to answer another of your questions. Yes they lied! And please don't respond with another question, that is the mark of an idiot. I am sure there is a possibilty you are not one. | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be better" True but what has this got to do with this discussion? | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be betterTrue but what has this got to do with this discussion?" because if they can't get the staff, who gives a f..k | |||
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"Just 1 in 50 applicants to Pret a Manger is British according to it's director of HR and they say that they couldn't staff their business with just British workers. Tim Martin from Wetherspoons campaigned for Brexit but says that there needs to be a special deal for EU workers to come to the UK in order for the economy to grow. Many have said about the need to control immigration because of the strain on housing, the NHS and other infrastructure. Would you be happy for post Brexit immigration to continue to grow? For it to be "controlled" upwards? " I worked in catering when I was young and it was hard work long hours and not good rewards.I became a manager and the same applied. I recruited a lot of staff of which 70%where studends from all over the world,we could not get British staff as they where not prepared to work hard,most brits we did take on quit after a week. I am proud to be British but believe we do not like hard work as our up bringinging is to easy.There will be a problem with staff in catering when we leave but young brits must be made to work and not be lazy. Oh yes I was recruiting people in the early 70's so not much has changed,so we will still need staff from overseas. | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be betterTrue but what has this got to do with this discussion? because if they can't get the staff, who gives a f..k" So you think it's good for a british firm to go bust? Well done you | |||
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"So no one has even attempted to answer the main question: * Would you be happy for post Brexit immigration to continue to grow? For it to be "controlled" upwards?" The Brexit argument is that the economy will be bigger, better and stronger outside of the EU than it is now. This means that there will need to be more immigration than there is now to fuel that booming economy. | |||
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"So no one has even attempted to answer the main question: * Would you be happy for post Brexit immigration to continue to grow? For it to be "controlled" upwards? The Brexit argument is that the economy will be bigger, better and stronger outside of the EU than it is now. This means that there will need to be more immigration than there is now to fuel that booming economy." We have farmers here crying out for more workers. When fields of carrots need sorting out, then they don't care where those staff come from. | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be better Do you think that would have any impact on the applicants? " Yes! | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be betterTrue but what has this got to do with this discussion? because if they can't get the staff, who gives a f..k So you think it's good for a british firm to go bust? Well done you" I thought they were American? But thats beside the point. Companies like this destroy as many jobs as they create. If they see an area with a thriving coffee/sandwich shop then they will open a branch of their own in that street/area, possibly after having bribed the local council, in direct competition with the other independant shop/shops but they can afford to run those branches at a loss until the independants are forced out of business and every high street in the country looks the same and choice is gone. I really have no sympathy for them. But well done you for thinking it through | |||
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"So no one has even attempted to answer the main question: * Would you be happy for post Brexit immigration to continue to grow? For it to be "controlled" upwards? The Brexit argument is that the economy will be bigger, better and stronger outside of the EU than it is now. This means that there will need to be more immigration than there is now to fuel that booming economy." why does it? Have you missed all the threads about automation taking over jobs? | |||
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"That is right and it is the same with the farmers, the whole agriculture depends on the immigrants to work for them, the brexiters live in a fantasy world lol." . Thats rubbish, weve farmed in Angelsey for a 1000 years and for most of that time there wasnt even a bridge you had to row across at low tide  .
Nearly every farm uses contractors now for theyre busy periods, contractors here get good money but you need to have knowledge and work hard long hours.
The crop farmers are the ones that need loads of short term low skilled workers and that pays not so good, if it paid a tenner an hour id do it myself  | |||
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"That is right and it is the same with the farmers, the whole agriculture depends on the immigrants to work for them, the brexiters live in a fantasy world lol." I voted leave but don't live in a fantasy world! The ideal would be for British workers to do these jobs. Unfortunately, they won't. So, let the people who will come in and do the work. The Portuguese came first, then the Poles, and they both work hard with few complaints. They work and they contribute. So the answer is controlled migration, a system that has employment for those that want to come here to work, and one where services keep up with this influx. | |||
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"So no one has even attempted to answer the main question: * Would you be happy for post Brexit immigration to continue to grow? For it to be "controlled" upwards? The Brexit argument is that the economy will be bigger, better and stronger outside of the EU than it is now. This means that there will need to be more immigration than there is now to fuel that booming economy. why does it? Have you missed all the threads about automation taking over jobs?" For some jobs. I think the hospitality industry will be very hard hit. A friend of mine runs hotel in a town in the U.K. She has a hard time getting staff. Most of her staff are Romanian and for some reason none of the uk citizens that live in the nearby city want to commute out to this town to work. -Matt | |||
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"So no one has even attempted to answer the main question: * Would you be happy for post Brexit immigration to continue to grow? For it to be "controlled" upwards? The Brexit argument is that the economy will be bigger, better and stronger outside of the EU than it is now. This means that there will need to be more immigration than there is now to fuel that booming economy. why does it? Have you missed all the threads about automation taking over jobs? For some jobs. I think the hospitality industry will be very hard hit. A friend of mine runs hotel in a town in the U.K. She has a hard time getting staff. Most of her staff are Romanian and for some reason none of the uk citizens that live in the nearby city want to commute out to this town to work. -Matt" well they might have to when the robots have taken their jobs in the nearby city  | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be better Do you think that would have any impact on the applicants? Yes!" Why do you think that British workers dont apply to work in places like Pret, but would work in an independent coffee shop with less job security, less opportunity for advancement etc? | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be better Do you think that would have any impact on the applicants? Yes! Why do you think that British workers dont apply to work in places like Pret, but would work in an independent coffee shop with less job security, less opportunity for advancement etc? " do you really think that people apply to places like Pret for job security and advancement prospects?  | |||
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"That is right and it is the same with the farmers, the whole agriculture depends on the immigrants to work for them, the brexiters live in a fantasy world lol. I voted leave but don't live in a fantasy world! The ideal would be for British workers to do these jobs. Unfortunately, they won't. So, let the people who will come in and do the work. The Portuguese came first, then the Poles, and they both work hard with few complaints. They work and they contribute. So the answer is controlled migration, a system that has employment for those that want to come here to work, and one where services keep up with this influx. " . Most people who talk about farming have never stepped foot on a farm, the NFU dont talk for your average farmer they talk the big farm talk, the industry has changed so much in 30 years its hardly recognised. We used to do alright in farming not an easy life but you did ok, everybody was small 300 herd was big for a dairy now you need a 1000 and the big boys in England have 10,000, were no longer competing with the farm next door but the farm in England or Romania or new Zealand where land is cheap and plentiful and your base costs are a fraction of ours, every farmer on angelsey now diversified into caravan parks, it pays better. We used to pay good money years ago for potatoe picking carrots cabbage now you either buy a machine of pay nothing coz otherwise you cant break even. In 20 years there will only be giant farms or small Holdings the rest of us will be gone | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be better Do you think that would have any impact on the applicants? Yes! Why do you think that British workers dont apply to work in places like Pret, but would work in an independent coffee shop with less job security, less opportunity for advancement etc? do you really think that people apply to places like Pret for job security and advancement prospects? "The question to the poster was if they aren't currently applying for the job, why would they apply for the job with worst job security and advancement prospects? Why would you assume that every job with Pret is a shit one? Maybe it's attitudes like that that are stopping Brits apply for these jobs, obviously you would prefer they were sitting on the dole. | |||
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"I once went to a Pret to sample their salt and sugar filled shite and tasteless coffee and the visit went like this :- Waiter- 'I'm sorry sir but I'm going to have to ask you to leave' Me- 'oh, really, why?' Waiter- 'because you're not sat pretentiously working on a laptop' "I've never seen a waiter in Pret  | |||
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"So no one has even attempted to answer the main question: * Would you be happy for post Brexit immigration to continue to grow? For it to be "controlled" upwards? The Brexit argument is that the economy will be bigger, better and stronger outside of the EU than it is now. This means that there will need to be more immigration than there is now to fuel that booming economy. why does it? Have you missed all the threads about automation taking over jobs? For some jobs. I think the hospitality industry will be very hard hit. A friend of mine runs hotel in a town in the U.K. She has a hard time getting staff. Most of her staff are Romanian and for some reason none of the uk citizens that live in the nearby city want to commute out to this town to work. -Matt" That is a problem that has been left unsolved for too long. | |||
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"So no one has even attempted to answer the main question: * Would you be happy for post Brexit immigration to continue to grow? For it to be "controlled" upwards? The Brexit argument is that the economy will be bigger, better and stronger outside of the EU than it is now. This means that there will need to be more immigration than there is now to fuel that booming economy. why does it? Have you missed all the threads about automation taking over jobs?" Bar work, waiting on, cleaning, housekeeping and hospitality work is never going to be taken by robots and that particular industry has boomed since the early millennium and has been fuelled by migration. No one on the Brexit side has given any indication whatsoever as to where the boom will come from. We know it won't be the service sector because that needs migration, it is unlikely to be banking and financial services as they seem to prefer large markets and single regulation. The automotive industry needs access the the single market (and in my opinion this will be a significant Brexit casualty). So where will the boom come from? What industries are going to take off and provide jobs for Brits and none for foreigners and deliver a booming economy? | |||
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" Bar work, waiting on, cleaning, housekeeping and hospitality work is never going to be taken by robots and that particular industry has boomed since the early millennium and has been fuelled by migration. No one on the Brexit side has given any indication whatsoever as to where the boom will come from. We know it won't be the service sector because that needs migration, it is unlikely to be banking and financial services as they seem to prefer large markets and single regulation. The automotive industry needs access the the single market (and in my opinion this will be a significant Brexit casualty). So where will the boom come from? What industries are going to take off and provide jobs for Brits and none for foreigners and deliver a booming economy?" "Reality" TV? 
We do still have good engineering and technology firms, but they are already hampered in skilled staff recruitment. However, nothing that exists will provide the scale of employment or pay that will help most people.
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be betterTrue but what has this got to do with this discussion? because if they can't get the staff, who gives a f..k So you think it's good for a british firm to go bust? Well done you I thought they were American? But thats beside the point. Companies like this destroy as many jobs as they create. If they see an area with a thriving coffee/sandwich shop then they will open a branch of their own in that street/area, possibly after having bribed the local council, in direct competition with the other independant shop/shops but they can afford to run those branches at a loss until the independants are forced out of business and every high street in the country looks the same and choice is gone. I really have no sympathy for them. But well done you for thinking it through" Theyre a British company paying their taxes, providing employment to people who also pay their taxes, occupying premises that generate business rates. Try thinking it through yourself, or do you want every large retail outlet or multiple restaurant chain to be shut down do you? Your approach to business seems to be inspired by Pol Pot | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be betterTrue but what has this got to do with this discussion? because if they can't get the staff, who gives a f..k So you think it's good for a british firm to go bust? Well done you I thought they were American? But thats beside the point. Companies like this destroy as many jobs as they create. If they see an area with a thriving coffee/sandwich shop then they will open a branch of their own in that street/area, possibly after having bribed the local council, in direct competition with the other independant shop/shops but they can afford to run those branches at a loss until the independants are forced out of business and every high street in the country looks the same and choice is gone. I really have no sympathy for them. But well done you for thinking it through Theyre a British company paying their taxes, providing employment to people who also pay their taxes, occupying premises that generate business rates. Try thinking it through yourself, or do you want every large retail outlet or multiple restaurant chain to be shut down do you? Your approach to business seems to be inspired by Pol Pot" Their approach to experts is the same too. | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be betterTrue but what has this got to do with this discussion? because if they can't get the staff, who gives a f..k So you think it's good for a british firm to go bust? Well done you I thought they were American? But thats beside the point. Companies like this destroy as many jobs as they create. If they see an area with a thriving coffee/sandwich shop then they will open a branch of their own in that street/area, possibly after having bribed the local council, in direct competition with the other independant shop/shops but they can afford to run those branches at a loss until the independants are forced out of business and every high street in the country looks the same and choice is gone. I really have no sympathy for them. But well done you for thinking it through Theyre a British company paying their taxes, providing employment to people who also pay their taxes, occupying premises that generate business rates. Try thinking it through yourself, or do you want every large retail outlet or multiple restaurant chain to be shut down do you? Your approach to business seems to be inspired by Pol Pot" I think the homogeny you seem to be in favour of would be more akin to Pol Pot | |||
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"I once went to a Pret to sample their salt and sugar filled shite and tasteless coffee and the visit went like this :- Waiter- 'I'm sorry sir but I'm going to have to ask you to leave' Me- 'oh, really, why?' Waiter- 'because you're not sat pretentiously working on a laptop'
I've never seen a waiter in Pret "Neither have I, I've never been so hungry that I actually had to use one. Did your laptop work? | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be betterTrue but what has this got to do with this discussion? because if they can't get the staff, who gives a f..k So you think it's good for a british firm to go bust? Well done you I thought they were American? But thats beside the point. Companies like this destroy as many jobs as they create. If they see an area with a thriving coffee/sandwich shop then they will open a branch of their own in that street/area, possibly after having bribed the local council, in direct competition with the other independant shop/shops but they can afford to run those branches at a loss until the independants are forced out of business and every high street in the country looks the same and choice is gone. I really have no sympathy for them. But well done you for thinking it through Theyre a British company paying their taxes, providing employment to people who also pay their taxes, occupying premises that generate business rates. Try thinking it through yourself, or do you want every large retail outlet or multiple restaurant chain to be shut down do you? Your approach to business seems to be inspired by Pol Pot I think the homogeny you seem to be in favour of would be more akin to Pol Pot" The question still stands though. Would British citizens be more likely to apply to an independently owned cafe than a chain? Any other low wage job like social care in fact? My preference would be for lots of independent shops. However, the British public have voted with their wallets for years. They have driven the growth of large chains with cheaper products through economies of scale. I don't really understand why you think that Brexit will change this fundamental behaviour. Once again I don't really see a point to your posts other than a nostalgic yearning for a mythical golden age. | |||
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"I once went to a Pret to sample their salt and sugar filled shite and tasteless coffee and the visit went like this :- Waiter- 'I'm sorry sir but I'm going to have to ask you to leave' Me- 'oh, really, why?' Waiter- 'because you're not sat pretentiously working on a laptop'
I've never seen a waiter in Pret
Neither have I, I've never been so hungry that I actually had to use one.
Did your laptop work?"Why are you so anti-Pret? Is it some kind of reverse snobbery? | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be betterTrue but what has this got to do with this discussion? because if they can't get the staff, who gives a f..k So you think it's good for a british firm to go bust? Well done you I thought they were American? But thats beside the point. Companies like this destroy as many jobs as they create. If they see an area with a thriving coffee/sandwich shop then they will open a branch of their own in that street/area, possibly after having bribed the local council, in direct competition with the other independant shop/shops but they can afford to run those branches at a loss until the independants are forced out of business and every high street in the country looks the same and choice is gone. I really have no sympathy for them. But well done you for thinking it through Theyre a British company paying their taxes, providing employment to people who also pay their taxes, occupying premises that generate business rates. Try thinking it through yourself, or do you want every large retail outlet or multiple restaurant chain to be shut down do you? Your approach to business seems to be inspired by Pol Pot I think the homogeny you seem to be in favour of would be more akin to Pol Pot The question still stands though. Would British citizens be more likely to apply to an independently owned cafe than a chain? Any other low wage job like social care in fact? My preference would be for lots of independent shops. However, the British public have voted with their wallets for years. They have driven the growth of large chains with cheaper products through economies of scale. I don't really understand why you think that Brexit will change this fundamental behaviour. Once again I don't really see a point to your posts other than a nostalgic yearning for a mythical golden age. " I've only had British people apply to mine | |||
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"I once went to a Pret to sample their salt and sugar filled shite and tasteless coffee and the visit went like this :- Waiter- 'I'm sorry sir but I'm going to have to ask you to leave' Me- 'oh, really, why?' Waiter- 'because you're not sat pretentiously working on a laptop'
I've never seen a waiter in Pret
Neither have I, I've never been so hungry that I actually had to use one.
Did your laptop work?
Why are you so anti-Pret? Is it some kind of reverse snobbery? "Because I have seen them drive people out of business. Why are you so pro? Because of the 'trendy' name? The same for the other overpriced coffee chain crap. You can go to any bar or cafe in Spain and get a better cup of coffee for about €1-€1,50. Its peoples choice I just don't get it | |||
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"I once went to a Pret to sample their salt and sugar filled shite and tasteless coffee and the visit went like this :- Waiter- 'I'm sorry sir but I'm going to have to ask you to leave' Me- 'oh, really, why?' Waiter- 'because you're not sat pretentiously working on a laptop'
I've never seen a waiter in Pret
Neither have I, I've never been so hungry that I actually had to use one.
Did your laptop work?
Why are you so anti-Pret? Is it some kind of reverse snobbery?
Because I have seen them drive people out of business. Why are you so pro? Because of the 'trendy' name? The same for the other overpriced coffee chain crap. You can go to any bar or cafe in Spain and get a better cup of coffee for about €1-€1,50. Its peoples choice I just don't get it"I'm not pro-Pret, I've eaten in them in the past, would again in the future, but don't seek them out on the high street. Out of intetest, if you have never been in one, how do you know their coffee is crap? Which business did you know that was driven out of business by Pret? | |||
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"I once went to a Pret to sample their salt and sugar filled shite and tasteless coffee and the visit went like this :- Waiter- 'I'm sorry sir but I'm going to have to ask you to leave' Me- 'oh, really, why?' Waiter- 'because you're not sat pretentiously working on a laptop'
I've never seen a waiter in Pret
Neither have I, I've never been so hungry that I actually had to use one.
Did your laptop work?
Why are you so anti-Pret? Is it some kind of reverse snobbery?
Because I have seen them drive people out of business. Why are you so pro? Because of the 'trendy' name? The same for the other overpriced coffee chain crap. You can go to any bar or cafe in Spain and get a better cup of coffee for about €1-€1,50. Its peoples choice I just don't get it
I'm not pro-Pret, I've eaten in them in the past, would again in the future, but don't seek them out on the high street.
Out of intetest, if you have never been in one, how do you know their coffee is crap? Which business did you know that was driven out of business by Pret? "I have had coffee in pret and can confirm that compared to the coffee you get in any cafe in Spain is far far better than the tasteless shite you get in pret /costa/ Starbucks  | |||
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"I once went to a Pret to sample their salt and sugar filled shite and tasteless coffee and the visit went like this :- Waiter- 'I'm sorry sir but I'm going to have to ask you to leave' Me- 'oh, really, why?' Waiter- 'because you're not sat pretentiously working on a laptop'
I've never seen a waiter in Pret
Neither have I, I've never been so hungry that I actually had to use one.
Did your laptop work?
Why are you so anti-Pret? Is it some kind of reverse snobbery?
Because I have seen them drive people out of business. Why are you so pro? Because of the 'trendy' name? The same for the other overpriced coffee chain crap. You can go to any bar or cafe in Spain and get a better cup of coffee for about €1-€1,50. Its peoples choice I just don't get it
I'm not pro-Pret, I've eaten in them in the past, would again in the future, but don't seek them out on the high street.
Out of intetest, if you have never been in one, how do you know their coffee is crap? Which business did you know that was driven out of business by Pret? "I've been told their coffee is crap, have tried Costa and Starbucks which is also crap and my brother in law who is a black cab driver in London and always in and out cafes/coffee shops due to the nature of his job has lamemted the closure of some of his favourites due to the chains. Funnily enough though on one enforced visit to Starbucks he met his current girlfriend who was working there and now gets a discount. Oh, and she just happens to be Thai. Every cloud eh | |||
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"I once went to a Pret to sample their salt and sugar filled shite and tasteless coffee and the visit went like this :- Waiter- 'I'm sorry sir but I'm going to have to ask you to leave' Me- 'oh, really, why?' Waiter- 'because you're not sat pretentiously working on a laptop'
I've never seen a waiter in Pret
Neither have I, I've never been so hungry that I actually had to use one.
Did your laptop work?
Why are you so anti-Pret? Is it some kind of reverse snobbery?
Because I have seen them drive people out of business. Why are you so pro? Because of the 'trendy' name? The same for the other overpriced coffee chain crap. You can go to any bar or cafe in Spain and get a better cup of coffee for about €1-€1,50. Its peoples choice I just don't get it
I'm not pro-Pret, I've eaten in them in the past, would again in the future, but don't seek them out on the high street.
Out of intetest, if you have never been in one, how do you know their coffee is crap? Which business did you know that was driven out of business by Pret?
I've been told their coffee is crap, have tried Costa and Starbucks which is also crap and my brother in law who is a black cab driver in London and always in and out cafes/coffee shops due to the nature of his job has lamemted the closure of some of his favourites due to the chains. Funnily enough though on one enforced visit to Starbucks he met his current girlfriend who was working there and now gets a discount. Oh, and she just happens to be Thai. Every cloud eh"The world changes, evolution is constant. You should have voted for Brexit if you yearn for the world to stop changing and to go back to a time that rose tinted glasses suggests was all sweetness and nice. PS - independent coffee shops get their coffee beans from the same places that chains do. | |||
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"I am all for migration if it is controlled correctly. But I wonder if the reason big companies like this cant find British born workers is because they pay such a crap wage whilst the shareholders and B.o.D make millions? " That is an interesting thought. You think that it is incumbent on a Company to pay a wage that will encourage the idle and feckless to get out of bed rather than a wage that is competitive amongst their peers? | |||
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"I once went to a Pret to sample their salt and sugar filled shite and tasteless coffee and the visit went like this :- Waiter- 'I'm sorry sir but I'm going to have to ask you to leave' Me- 'oh, really, why?' Waiter- 'because you're not sat pretentiously working on a laptop'
I've never seen a waiter in Pret
Neither have I, I've never been so hungry that I actually had to use one.
Did your laptop work?
Why are you so anti-Pret? Is it some kind of reverse snobbery?
Because I have seen them drive people out of business. Why are you so pro? Because of the 'trendy' name? The same for the other overpriced coffee chain crap. You can go to any bar or cafe in Spain and get a better cup of coffee for about €1-€1,50. Its peoples choice I just don't get it
I'm not pro-Pret, I've eaten in them in the past, would again in the future, but don't seek them out on the high street.
Out of intetest, if you have never been in one, how do you know their coffee is crap? Which business did you know that was driven out of business by Pret?
I've been told their coffee is crap, have tried Costa and Starbucks which is also crap and my brother in law who is a black cab driver in London and always in and out cafes/coffee shops due to the nature of his job has lamemted the closure of some of his favourites due to the chains. Funnily enough though on one enforced visit to Starbucks he met his current girlfriend who was working there and now gets a discount. Oh, and she just happens to be Thai. Every cloud eh"So when you said "I've seen them drive people out of business" what you actually meant was "I've NOT seen them drive people out of business, but other people have told me about it" and you have heard to coffee is crap, but have never tried it. Seeing as Costa, Starbucks and Pret are some of the most successful coffee chains, that would suggest that quite a few people enjoy their coffee, wouldn't it? I presume you mention about the coffee shop working being Thai as anecdotal evidence to support the Pret HR director that foreign workers are needed to run their business, right? | |||
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"I am all for migration if it is controlled correctly. But I wonder if the reason big companies like this cant find British born workers is because they pay such a crap wage whilst the shareholders and B.o.D make millions? " So a higher minimum wage? I have no problem with that. Higher prices as a consequence? I have no problem with that. Prevent large companies leveraging capital by funniest a loss? I have no problem with that. However, this could have happened at any time. Why hasn't it? It could have been legislated for years ago. Why hasn't it? It's completely independent of immigration or EU membership. However, as I've said, as a country we've decided that, we want cheap things and we buy cheap things. That's capitalism. We get what we ask for, and we ask for chains that give us cheap things. | |||
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"I am all for migration if it is controlled correctly. But I wonder if the reason big companies like this cant find British born workers is because they pay such a crap wage whilst the shareholders and B.o.D make millions? That is an interesting thought. You think that it is incumbent on a Company to pay a wage that will encourage the idle and feckless to get out of bed rather than a wage that is competitive amongst their peers?" Idle and feckless are a small part of the population. But to use an example a few years ago Tesco needed 12k jobs filled and said they would need to bring in people from the Czech Republic as british people dont want to work in tescos. It was noted that the areas they were needing new staff where mostly in high dem areas where living expenses are high but they were offering just above nat min wage. That would mean anyone from the local area taking a job with them would not make enough money to meet min living standards. Where I am from our local suppermarkets no longer accept applications as they have a large waiting list of people wanting a job and I have never heard of anyone with anything else than a local accent working in them. That is because the cost of living is far lower here than elsewhere in the UK meaning that people can work for tesco and exceed min living standards. | |||
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"I am all for migration if it is controlled correctly. But I wonder if the reason big companies like this cant find British born workers is because they pay such a crap wage whilst the shareholders and B.o.D make millions? " I dont know what they pay, but they legally have to pay at least the minimum wage and/or the national living wage. Do you think that that wage is too low for British born workers? | |||
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"I am all for migration if it is controlled correctly. But I wonder if the reason big companies like this cant find British born workers is because they pay such a crap wage whilst the shareholders and B.o.D make millions? So a higher minimum wage? I have no problem with that. Higher prices as a consequence? I have no problem with that. Prevent large companies leveraging capital by funniest a loss? I have no problem with that. However, this could have happened at any time. Why hasn't it? It could have been legislated for years ago. Why hasn't it? It's completely independent of immigration or EU membership. However, as I've said, as a country we've decided that, we want cheap things and we buy cheap things. That's capitalism. We get what we ask for, and we ask for chains that give us cheap things." Unfortunately you are correct, but you have missed out one key thing. The larger the percentage of a population you have considered to be below the poverty line the lower the inflation is kept. The lower inflation is the more buying power your money has. That means that people with wealth just became that little bit richer without actually increasing there bank balance. | |||
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"I am all for migration if it is controlled correctly. But I wonder if the reason big companies like this cant find British born workers is because they pay such a crap wage whilst the shareholders and B.o.D make millions? I dont know what they pay, but they legally have to pay at least the minimum wage and/or the national living wage. Do you think that that wage is too low for British born workers? " In some areas yes others no. It used to be if you needed staff and couldnt find them you had to entice them in with higher wages, now you just ship them in. The conditions some of the people that come here to work are living in is horrendous. But this is because the wage they receive does not cover what we concider to be acceptable living conditions. | |||
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"That is right and it is the same with the farmers, the whole agriculture depends on the immigrants to work for them, the brexiters live in a fantasy world lol. I voted leave but don't live in a fantasy world! The ideal would be for British workers to do these jobs. Unfortunately, they won't. So, let the people who will come in and do the work. The Portuguese came first, then the Poles, and they both work hard with few complaints. They work and they contribute. So the answer is controlled migration, a system that has employment for those that want to come here to work, and one where services keep up with this influx. " Most of them and the poles are returning home because they dont feel welcomed. | |||
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"That is right and it is the same with the farmers, the whole agriculture depends on the immigrants to work for them, the brexiters live in a fantasy world lol. I voted leave but don't live in a fantasy world! The ideal would be for British workers to do these jobs. Unfortunately, they won't. So, let the people who will come in and do the work. The Portuguese came first, then the Poles, and they both work hard with few complaints. They work and they contribute. So the answer is controlled migration, a system that has employment for those that want to come here to work, and one where services keep up with this influx. . Most people who talk about farming have never stepped foot on a farm, the NFU dont talk for your average farmer they talk the big farm talk, the industry has changed so much in 30 years its hardly recognised. We used to do alright in farming not an easy life but you did ok, everybody was small 300 herd was big for a dairy now you need a 1000 and the big boys in England have 10,000, were no longer competing with the farm next door but the farm in England or Romania or new Zealand where land is cheap and plentiful and your base costs are a fraction of ours, every farmer on angelsey now diversified into caravan parks, it pays better. We used to pay good money years ago for potatoe picking carrots cabbage now you either buy a machine of pay nothing coz otherwise you cant break even. In 20 years there will only be giant farms or small Holdings the rest of us will be gone" Yes and I heard there is a different minimum wage for agriculture too. | |||
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"I once went to a Pret to sample their salt and sugar filled shite and tasteless coffee and the visit went like this :- Waiter- 'I'm sorry sir but I'm going to have to ask you to leave' Me- 'oh, really, why?' Waiter- 'because you're not sat pretentiously working on a laptop'
I've never seen a waiter in Pret
Neither have I, I've never been so hungry that I actually had to use one.
Did your laptop work?
Why are you so anti-Pret? Is it some kind of reverse snobbery?
Because I have seen them drive people out of business. Why are you so pro? Because of the 'trendy' name? The same for the other overpriced coffee chain crap. You can go to any bar or cafe in Spain and get a better cup of coffee for about €1-€1,50. Its peoples choice I just don't get it
I'm not pro-Pret, I've eaten in them in the past, would again in the future, but don't seek them out on the high street.
Out of intetest, if you have never been in one, how do you know their coffee is crap? Which business did you know that was driven out of business by Pret?
I've been told their coffee is crap, have tried Costa and Starbucks which is also crap and my brother in law who is a black cab driver in London and always in and out cafes/coffee shops due to the nature of his job has lamemted the closure of some of his favourites due to the chains. Funnily enough though on one enforced visit to Starbucks he met his current girlfriend who was working there and now gets a discount. Oh, and she just happens to be Thai. Every cloud eh
So when you said "I've seen them drive people out of business" what you actually meant was "I've NOT seen them drive people out of business, but other people have told me about it" and you have heard to coffee is crap, but have never tried it. Seeing as Costa, Starbucks and Pret are some of the most successful coffee chains, that would suggest that quite a few people enjoy their coffee, wouldn't it?
I presume you mention about the coffee shop working being Thai as anecdotal evidence to support the Pret HR director that foreign workers are needed to run their business, right? " No, I go down to London 4-5 times a year and have seen it myself but of course they have explained why. Quite a few people must enjoy their coffee, I said it was their choice, I just don't understand why. No, I just mentioned she was Thai, and a welcome addition to our family, as you seem to think I have something against foreigners and foreign workers, which I don't. | |||
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"I once went to a Pret to sample their salt and sugar filled shite and tasteless coffee and the visit went like this :- Waiter- 'I'm sorry sir but I'm going to have to ask you to leave' Me- 'oh, really, why?' Waiter- 'because you're not sat pretentiously working on a laptop'
I've never seen a waiter in Pret
Neither have I, I've never been so hungry that I actually had to use one.
Did your laptop work?
Why are you so anti-Pret? Is it some kind of reverse snobbery?
Because I have seen them drive people out of business. Why are you so pro? Because of the 'trendy' name? The same for the other overpriced coffee chain crap. You can go to any bar or cafe in Spain and get a better cup of coffee for about €1-€1,50. Its peoples choice I just don't get it
I'm not pro-Pret, I've eaten in them in the past, would again in the future, but don't seek them out on the high street.
Out of intetest, if you have never been in one, how do you know their coffee is crap? Which business did you know that was driven out of business by Pret?
I've been told their coffee is crap, have tried Costa and Starbucks which is also crap and my brother in law who is a black cab driver in London and always in and out cafes/coffee shops due to the nature of his job has lamemted the closure of some of his favourites due to the chains. Funnily enough though on one enforced visit to Starbucks he met his current girlfriend who was working there and now gets a discount. Oh, and she just happens to be Thai. Every cloud eh
The world changes, evolution is constant. You should have voted for Brexit if you yearn for the world to stop changing and to go back to a time that rose tinted glasses suggests was all sweetness and nice.
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"I am all for migration if it is controlled correctly. But I wonder if the reason big companies like this cant find British born workers is because they pay such a crap wage whilst the shareholders and B.o.D make millions? That is an interesting thought. You think that it is incumbent on a Company to pay a wage that will encourage the idle and feckless to get out of bed rather than a wage that is competitive amongst their peers?" . Which idle and feckless are you talking about? I think somebody working 40hrs a week should earn enough to live on the problem as i see it is not the amount of wages but the main cost for living, houses and rent and you cant solve that by building more because all that happens is the wealthier buy the houses as fast as you build them. Government has to regulate the housing market which means taxing the wealthier out of it and forcing them to invest there money elsewhere | |||
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" So a higher minimum wage? I have no problem with that. Higher prices as a consequence? I have no problem with that. Prevent large companies leveraging capital by funniest a loss? I have no problem with that. However, this could have happened at any time. Why hasn't it? It could have been legislated for years ago. Why hasn't it? It's completely independent of immigration or EU membership. However, as I've said, as a country we've decided that, we want cheap things and we buy cheap things. That's capitalism. We get what we ask for, and we ask for chains that give us cheap things. Unfortunately you are correct, but you have missed out one key thing. The larger the percentage of a population you have considered to be below the poverty line the lower the inflation is kept. The lower inflation is the more buying power your money has. That means that people with wealth just became that little bit richer without actually increasing there bank balance. " I didn't follow from the second paragraph. How is population below the poverty line linked to inflation? | |||
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"Did anyone see the farmer program? There was 12 brits and he would just hire one, he said they just dont work hard enough." What was it called and what channel was it on? | |||
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"Did anyone see the farmer program? There was 12 brits and he would just hire one, he said they just dont work hard enough. What was it called and what channel was it on?" I cant remmeber as it was on few months ago, but it was on the bbc in a 4 part series, not sure it would be on iplayer. | |||
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"It just crossed my mind, thick as I am, but for every 500 uk job applicants they get, there are 25,000 foreign ones? What a pile of shite "Since 9/11 46 out of 3.8million Muslim Americans have committed a "terrorist" attack. What a pile of shite. We all "know" that Islamic terrorism is an enormous problem 
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be betterTrue but what has this got to do with this discussion? because if they can't get the staff, who gives a f..k So you think it's good for a british firm to go bust? Well done you I thought they were American? But thats beside the point. Companies like this destroy as many jobs as they create. If they see an area with a thriving coffee/sandwich shop then they will open a branch of their own in that street/area, possibly after having bribed the local council, in direct competition with the other independant shop/shops but they can afford to run those branches at a loss until the independants are forced out of business and every high street in the country looks the same and choice is gone. I really have no sympathy for them. But well done you for thinking it through Theyre a British company paying their taxes, providing employment to people who also pay their taxes, occupying premises that generate business rates. Try thinking it through yourself, or do you want every large retail outlet or multiple restaurant chain to be shut down do you? Your approach to business seems to be inspired by Pol Pot I think the homogeny you seem to be in favour of would be more akin to Pol Pot" You didnt answer the question. Should all multiples in retailing and catering be closed down because that's the "logic" of your argument | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be betterTrue but what has this got to do with this discussion? because if they can't get the staff, who gives a f..k So you think it's good for a british firm to go bust? Well done you I thought they were American? But thats beside the point. Companies like this destroy as many jobs as they create. If they see an area with a thriving coffee/sandwich shop then they will open a branch of their own in that street/area, possibly after having bribed the local council, in direct competition with the other independant shop/shops but they can afford to run those branches at a loss until the independants are forced out of business and every high street in the country looks the same and choice is gone. I really have no sympathy for them. But well done you for thinking it through Theyre a British company paying their taxes, providing employment to people who also pay their taxes, occupying premises that generate business rates. Try thinking it through yourself, or do you want every large retail outlet or multiple restaurant chain to be shut down do you? Your approach to business seems to be inspired by Pol Pot I think the homogeny you seem to be in favour of would be more akin to Pol Pot You didnt answer the question. Should all multiples in retailing and catering be closed down because that's the "logic" of your argument" No. Just some not allowed to open. That is my argument | |||
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" So a higher minimum wage? I have no problem with that. Higher prices as a consequence? I have no problem with that. Prevent large companies leveraging capital by funniest a loss? I have no problem with that. However, this could have happened at any time. Why hasn't it? It could have been legislated for years ago. Why hasn't it? It's completely independent of immigration or EU membership. However, as I've said, as a country we've decided that, we want cheap things and we buy cheap things. That's capitalism. We get what we ask for, and we ask for chains that give us cheap things. Unfortunately you are correct, but you have missed out one key thing. The larger the percentage of a population you have considered to be below the poverty line the lower the inflation is kept. The lower inflation is the more buying power your money has. That means that people with wealth just became that little bit richer without actually increasing there bank balance. I didn't follow from the second paragraph. How is population below the poverty line linked to inflation?" Inflation in basic terms is how much a £1 is worth. When everyone is working and making a good living like back when labour brought in tax credits then inflation rises as people can afford it. When people are poor like just now then they are not spending money so inflation stays low. Its linked to supply and demand. Take the housing markey for example, during booms people get a mortgage and buy houses. So as its a buyers market the cost of the houses goes up. During times when the country is broke people cant afford to buy so there is an excess in stock so the price drops. Its basic economics, im just not a very good teacher if you have a look on investopedia or similar sites it will explain it much better than I can. | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be betterTrue but what has this got to do with this discussion? because if they can't get the staff, who gives a f..k So you think it's good for a british firm to go bust? Well done you I thought they were American? But thats beside the point. Companies like this destroy as many jobs as they create. If they see an area with a thriving coffee/sandwich shop then they will open a branch of their own in that street/area, possibly after having bribed the local council, in direct competition with the other independant shop/shops but they can afford to run those branches at a loss until the independants are forced out of business and every high street in the country looks the same and choice is gone. I really have no sympathy for them. But well done you for thinking it through Theyre a British company paying their taxes, providing employment to people who also pay their taxes, occupying premises that generate business rates. Try thinking it through yourself, or do you want every large retail outlet or multiple restaurant chain to be shut down do you? Your approach to business seems to be inspired by Pol Pot I think the homogeny you seem to be in favour of would be more akin to Pol Pot You didnt answer the question. Should all multiples in retailing and catering be closed down because that's the "logic" of your argument No. Just some not allowed to open. That is my argument" Pret has been around for decades....... | |||
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"Why is an independent coffee shop better for employment of UK workers than a chain? " The only practical logic is that individual owners or small chains are likely to pay their taxes where as big ones will find a ruse. People always claim a preference for the individual and quirky but even though some owners provide far superior passion and service, some are terrible. The big chains are vanilla but reliable. A bit like why we're on this site
More back office staff in a chain with permanent staff getting the full range of legislative benefits but temps a bit more exploited? That's just perception.
Net to the Treasury, I don't really know.
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" So a higher minimum wage? I have no problem with that. Higher prices as a consequence? I have no problem with that. Prevent large companies leveraging capital by funniest a loss? I have no problem with that. However, this could have happened at any time. Why hasn't it? It could have been legislated for years ago. Why hasn't it? It's completely independent of immigration or EU membership. However, as I've said, as a country we've decided that, we want cheap things and we buy cheap things. That's capitalism. We get what we ask for, and we ask for chains that give us cheap things. Unfortunately you are correct, but you have missed out one key thing. The larger the percentage of a population you have considered to be below the poverty line the lower the inflation is kept. The lower inflation is the more buying power your money has. That means that people with wealth just became that little bit richer without actually increasing there bank balance. I didn't follow from the second paragraph. How is population below the poverty line linked to inflation? Inflation in basic terms is how much a £1 is worth. When everyone is working and making a good living like back when labour brought in tax credits then inflation rises as people can afford it. When people are poor like just now then they are not spending money so inflation stays low. Its linked to supply and demand. Take the housing markey for example, during booms people get a mortgage and buy houses. So as its a buyers market the cost of the houses goes up. During times when the country is broke people cant afford to buy so there is an excess in stock so the price drops. Its basic economics, im just not a very good teacher if you have a look on investopedia or similar sites it will explain it much better than I can." Ah. OK. It doesn't always work out like that though. That's one part of the process looking at the demand side. However, choking supply also increases inflation such as OPEC throttling oil and increasing prices that feed through to everything in our economy. Currency fluctuations do the same in an even more artificial way as it is now. The fall in Stirling means that everything we import, and we import a lot, goes up. This is why exonomists exists and why, as experts, they are doomed to fail as the interactions are so complex. Personally don't think they should give up, nor that we should ignore them. Understanding the historical context of economics to help make decisions is just as important as understanding history in its wider context. | |||
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"The fewer Pret a Mangers the better. Same for Costa and Starbucks etc. More independants would be betterTrue but what has this got to do with this discussion? because if they can't get the staff, who gives a f..k So you think it's good for a british firm to go bust? Well done you I thought they were American? But thats beside the point. Companies like this destroy as many jobs as they create. If they see an area with a thriving coffee/sandwich shop then they will open a branch of their own in that street/area, possibly after having bribed the local council, in direct competition with the other independant shop/shops but they can afford to run those branches at a loss until the independants are forced out of business and every high street in the country looks the same and choice is gone. I really have no sympathy for them. But well done you for thinking it through Theyre a British company paying their taxes, providing employment to people who also pay their taxes, occupying premises that generate business rates. Try thinking it through yourself, or do you want every large retail outlet or multiple restaurant chain to be shut down do you? Your approach to business seems to be inspired by Pol Pot I think the homogeny you seem to be in favour of would be more akin to Pol Pot You didnt answer the question. Should all multiples in retailing and catering be closed down because that's the "logic" of your argument No. Just some not allowed to open. That is my argument Pret has been around for decades......." They also mainly make sandwiches so not having outstanding coffee is probably forgivable | |||
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"Why is an independent coffee shop better for employment of UK workers than a chain? The only practical logic is that individual owners or small chains are likely to pay their taxes where as big ones will find a ruse. People always claim a preference for the individual and quirky but even though some owners provide far superior passion and service, some are terrible. The big chains are vanilla but reliable. A bit like why we're on this site
More back office staff in a chain with permanent staff getting the full range of legislative benefits but temps a bit more exploited? That's just perception.
Net to the Treasury, I don't really know.
It's perception really."You are right and all good points. My gripe really is that these chains do put smaller places out of business because they can afford to run branches at a loss for a while or until the competition closes. If they find sites that don't damage other retailers or compliment areas and provide a different option then all well and good. But with less choice we will all be losers in the end. Oh and if that figure of 1 in 50 is not a load of bollocks then there must be a hell of a lot of unemployed foreigners wandering the streets and the level of immigration is just not needed | |||
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"Why is an independent coffee shop better for employment of UK workers than a chain? The only practical logic is that individual owners or small chains are likely to pay their taxes where as big ones will find a ruse. People always claim a preference for the individual and quirky but even though some owners provide far superior passion and service, some are terrible. The big chains are vanilla but reliable. A bit like why we're on this site
More back office staff in a chain with permanent staff getting the full range of legislative benefits but temps a bit more exploited? That's just perception.
Net to the Treasury, I don't really know.
It's perception really.
You are right and all good points. My gripe really is that these chains do put smaller places out of business because they can afford to run branches at a loss for a while or until the competition closes. If they find sites that don't damage other retailers or compliment areas and provide a different option then all well and good. But with less choice we will all be losers in the end. Oh and if that figure of 1 in 50 is not a load of bollocks then there must be a hell of a lot of unemployed foreigners wandering the streets and the level of immigration is just not needed"As I said, we could have introduced legislation to prevent unfair trading long ago, but it's a lot of regulation and cost to government to track this. At what scale does it kick in for instance? A certain turnover, profit, scale? However, regardless of that, the British public still vote with their feet and go to the chain store that opens up. As far as the EU to British applications ratio is concerned, you seem to making an odd comparison. You can make as many applications to as many jobs as you like so if there are enough jobs there won't be high rates of unemployment even though there are lots of applications. | |||
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