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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So it's going to cost 11billion to change to smart metering I wonder who is making shit loads of money out of this idea then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mostly the Chinese.

the security services have also expressed concern that the Chinese will have control over electricity through these meters.

I know what I have written sounds like a paranoid nut job.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"So it's going to cost 11billion to change to smart metering I wonder who is making shit loads of money out of this idea then "

The energy supplier is only one making money out of this just like they do with the standing charge.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Mostly the Chinese.

the security services have also expressed concern that the Chinese will have control over electricity through these meters.

I know what I have written sounds like a paranoid nut job."

In this day and age it sounds perfectly reasonable to be suspicious after all once we start using less they will charge us more per unit

Solar is a great idea but they then make it expensive to install so it takes 10 years to get you're money back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can you not refuse to have one installed.Some of these meters have been proven to be charging 600% more.Than whats used.

How exactly will china have control when the data is sent digitaly to your provider.

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By *andm288Couple
over a year ago

oxford


"Mostly the Chinese.

the security services have also expressed concern that the Chinese will have control over electricity through these meters.

I know what I have written sounds like a paranoid nut job.

In this day and age it sounds perfectly reasonable to be suspicious after all once we start using less they will charge us more per unit

Solar is a great idea but they then make it expensive to install so it takes 10 years to get you're money back "

We had a 4kw solar installed and I reckon on 7-8 yrs for payback possibly sooner the technology is always improving

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"Can you not refuse to have one installed.Some of these meters have been proven to be charging 600% more.Than whats used.

How exactly will china have control when the data is sent digitaly to your provider."

I,m not 100% sure but I read somewhere ALL properties will be required to have them fitted within the next 5 years, apparently its something to do with the government. I had mine fitted 3 months ago apart from heating the two things that use the most power are electric kettles and vacuum cleaners.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can you not refuse to have one installed.Some of these meters have been proven to be charging 600% more.Than whats used.

How exactly will china have control when the data is sent digitaly to your provider."

The Chinese manufacturer most of these meters.

If the Americans and Israel can write a virus that found the controller of the Irianian centrifuges in their atomic program and spun them out of control.

I would imagine it is no problem to write code to shut down a meter when they want to.

I know it sounds like more paranoid rantings but very do able.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Can you not refuse to have one installed.Some of these meters have been proven to be charging 600% more.Than whats used.

How exactly will china have control when the data is sent digitaly to your provider.

The Chinese manufacturer most of these meters.

If the Americans and Israel can write a virus that found the controller of the Irianian centrifuges in their atomic program and spun them out of control.

I would imagine it is no problem to write code to shut down a meter when they want to.

I know it sounds like more paranoid rantings but very do able."

I agree they could hack into the meter to screw up the billing, but have the meters a facility to cut power?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just depends if the chinese write the code for it.

Also did you know criminals were infiltrating the chinese factories that manufacture bank card readers and installing either software or other items to steal bank details.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Can you not refuse to have one installed.Some of these meters have been proven to be charging 600% more.Than whats used.

How exactly will china have control when the data is sent digitaly to your provider.

The Chinese manufacturer most of these meters.

If the Americans and Israel can write a virus that found the controller of the Irianian centrifuges in their atomic program and spun them out of control.

I would imagine it is no problem to write code to shut down a meter when they want to.

I know it sounds like more paranoid rantings but very do able.

I agree they could hack into the meter to screw up the billing, but have the meters a facility to cut power?"

No, but I guess they could cause you to rack up a bill such that the 'leccy co cut you off.

Or just generally cause chaos by mass miss-billing

-Matt

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


" but have the meters a facility to cut power?"

I expect so...

I guess they are all the same, mine has a sim so is basically a mobile phone. I would guess that it can be turned off remotely and that would cut power.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"

I agree they could hack into the meter to screw up the billing, but have the meters a facility to cut power?

No, but I guess they could cause you to rack up a bill such that the 'leccy co cut you off.

Or just generally cause chaos by mass miss-billing

-Matt"

That also falls into the general issue of Russian etc state sponsored hackers causing general de-stabilisation.

As the IoT (Internet of Things) spreads the issue also spreads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The main reason there swapping them is to cut back on the amount of cheating on the old ones.

If the worse did happen and this Chinese conspiracy occurred any electrician worth his salt of which there are literally tens of thousands in the UK can by pass a meter in under an hour so don't panic like headless chickens

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"The main reason there swapping them is to cut back on the amount of cheating on the old ones.

If the worse did happen and this Chinese conspiracy occurred any electrician worth his salt of which there are literally tens of thousands in the UK can by pass a meter in under an hour so don't panic like headless chickens "

Simple. Russian hackers cut the electricity supply in every home, then thousands of sparkies simply visit all 20 million households and bridge out the meter.

Pointless discussion...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The main reason there swapping them is to cut back on the amount of cheating on the old ones.

If the worse did happen and this Chinese conspiracy occurred any electrician worth his salt of which there are literally tens of thousands in the UK can by pass a meter in under an hour so don't panic like headless chickens

Simple. Russian hackers cut the electricity supply in every home, then thousands of sparkies simply visit all 20 million households and bridge out the meter.

Pointless discussion... "
Well i agree the hacking is a little irrelevant. But from what ive read these meters can charge you more if your home has LEDs.My entire house is LEDs.

Green devices such as energy saving light bulbs, heaters, LED bulbs and dimmers change the shape of electric currents which can result in a distorted reading.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"The main reason there swapping them is to cut back on the amount of cheating on the old ones.

If the worse did happen and this Chinese conspiracy occurred any electrician worth his salt of which there are literally tens of thousands in the UK can by pass a meter in under an hour so don't panic like headless chickens

Simple. Russian hackers cut the electricity supply in every home, then thousands of sparkies simply visit all 20 million households and bridge out the meter.

Pointless discussion... Well i agree the hacking is a little irrelevant. But from what ive read these meters can charge you more if your home has LEDs.My entire house is LEDs.

Green devices such as energy saving light bulbs, heaters, LED bulbs and dimmers change the shape of electric currents which can result in a distorted reading."

Sorry, it was meant to be sarcastic, didn't read well, I think hacking of the meters is an issue. If they were hacked and have power cutting capabilty, then it needs to be ultra-secure.

You are right LEDs and most modern devices take pulsed current, the meter has to measure accurately the the high current pulses are just short duration and not continuous..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The main reason there swapping them is to cut back on the amount of cheating on the old ones.

If the worse did happen and this Chinese conspiracy occurred any electrician worth his salt of which there are literally tens of thousands in the UK can by pass a meter in under an hour so don't panic like headless chickens

Simple. Russian hackers cut the electricity supply in every home, then thousands of sparkies simply visit all 20 million households and bridge out the meter.

Pointless discussion... "
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Your not kidding, it's quite clear nobody on here is an electrical engineer or knows squat about meters .

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"The main reason there swapping them is to cut back on the amount of cheating on the old ones.

If the worse did happen and this Chinese conspiracy occurred any electrician worth his salt of which there are literally tens of thousands in the UK can by pass a meter in under an hour so don't panic like headless chickens

Simple. Russian hackers cut the electricity supply in every home, then thousands of sparkies simply visit all 20 million households and bridge out the meter.

Pointless discussion... .

Your not kidding, it's quite clear nobody on here is an electrical engineer or knows squat about meters .

"

It was meant to be sarcastic. I am an electronic engineer. If the meter has a power cutting facility then hacking and security is a major factor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The point I am making is the meters dont need to be hacked if the come out the factory already enabled to cut power if someone orders it.

Every country in the world has probing attacks on their power utilities as this is the New area of cyber war.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The main reason there swapping them is to cut back on the amount of cheating on the old ones.

If the worse did happen and this Chinese conspiracy occurred any electrician worth his salt of which there are literally tens of thousands in the UK can by pass a meter in under an hour so don't panic like headless chickens

Simple. Russian hackers cut the electricity supply in every home, then thousands of sparkies simply visit all 20 million households and bridge out the meter.

Pointless discussion... .

Your not kidding, it's quite clear nobody on here is an electrical engineer or knows squat about meters .

It was meant to be sarcastic. I am an electronic engineer. If the meter has a power cutting facility then hacking and security is a major factor."
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Of course and just like anything including the aircraft's you fly on or the car you drive can be hacked, I'd suggest if the ruskies wanna try mass hacking there'd be better off starting there than your flipping smart meter for which I could personally by pass in under five minutes with two screwdrivers,a pair of snips and a terminal block

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The point I am making is the meters dont need to be hacked if the come out the factory already enabled to cut power if someone orders it.

Every country in the world has probing attacks on their power utilities as this is the New area of cyber war."
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All you have to do is enact some over current in the grid and the whole flipping network will shut down, it's really not that hard if you wanna do it, hell we even do it by accident ourselves sometimes

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"The point I am making is the meters dont need to be hacked if the come out the factory already enabled to cut power if someone orders it.

Every country in the world has probing attacks on their power utilities as this is the New area of cyber war."

Hacking domestic end user meters is not where the real problem lies.

If you want something to worry about worry about Israel weaponizing a CIA snooping program and then hacking DNC's to cause nuclear accidents and kill scientists in Iran and the fact that that dirty little secret is out so shortly Russia, China and anyone else who wants to will be able to directly attack anything where DNC's are used.

DNC's are used everywhere, especially in infrastructure!

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Spain and Italy install smart meters at half the cost that we do.

You are legally required to have your electric meter changed every five years, so it all stands to reason that smart meters will be fitted to all properties as time goes on. However, they need a good Internet connection and that's where the system comes unstuck.

An independent body should be fitting these on a not for profit basis, and not put in the hands of the power supply companies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They work pretty much the same way as any digital meter does and they've been around nigh on 20 years, there used to be software around to measure them using the flashing led, smart meters have the ability to be hacked because there connected via your home network or the system network, but then everything these days does,I don't know those other guys have read but there's no giant conspiracy to over read anything, you measure pd and amps flowing through the meter to give you watts, if you suspect it's inaccurate put your own old fashioned meter in parallel, you can buy them for about 20 quid

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By *onty56Man
over a year ago

Hull

You are legally required to have your electric meter changed every five years

Is that correct? Yes, maybe for gas meters, but electric? Been in the same house 24 years with no electricity meter change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

You are legally required to have your electric meter changed every five years

Is that correct? Yes, maybe for gas meters, but electric? Been in the same house 24 years with no electricity meter change.

"
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No you're legally required to have a new meter if the supplier suspects the old one to be dangerous.

They fit a "smart meter" but disable the smart bit .

We haven't fitted analogue meters for like 20 years lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They changed all the gas meters about 10 years ago, they made the in and out different sizes to stop people turning the meter round and going backwards.

It's about stopping the "missing" millions of killwatt hours that's unpaid for every year the same reason there moving to smart meters on electric

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"

You are legally required to have your electric meter changed every five years

Is that correct? Yes, maybe for gas meters, but electric? Been in the same house 24 years with no electricity meter change.

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No you're legally required to have a new meter if the supplier suspects the old one to be dangerous.

They fit a "smart meter" but disable the smart bit .

We haven't fitted analogue meters for like 20 years lol"

Happy to be corrected, think the fitter that told me that must have been pulling my chain there!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Spain and Italy install smart meters at half the cost that we do.

You are legally required to have your electric meter changed every five years, so it all stands to reason that smart meters will be fitted to all properties as time goes on. However, they need a good Internet connection and that's where the system comes unstuck.

An independent body should be fitting these on a not for profit basis, and not put in the hands of the power supply companies."

Does this mean I am paying an internet fee every month so my utilities company can bill me ???

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By *he_tykiesCouple
over a year ago

West Yorkshire.

Information lifted from Which Consumer Rights.

Do I have to have a smart meter.

In Summary.

If your energy company has contacted you to change to a smart meter because your current meter needs replacing, it could be a safety hazard not to.

But if you really don't want a smart meter, tell your supplier and they will probably offer to install a smart meter set up to work with all the communications switched off, ie in what is called dumb mode!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

You are legally required to have your electric meter changed every five years

Is that correct? Yes, maybe for gas meters, but electric? Been in the same house 24 years with no electricity meter change.

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No you're legally required to have a new meter if the supplier suspects the old one to be dangerous.

They fit a "smart meter" but disable the smart bit .

We haven't fitted analogue meters for like 20 years lol

Happy to be corrected, think the fitter that told me that must have been pulling my chain there! "
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Half the peeps fitting Meters these days arent even electricians, there most likely meter readers whove just been bunged on a three day course!!.

Have one or dont have one im not bothered myself, just annoys me when you hear all this bollocks by people who dont have a clue about it actually works

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"

Happy to be corrected, think the fitter that told me that must have been pulling my chain there! .

Half the peeps fitting Meters these days arent even electricians, there most likely meter readers whove just been bunged on a three day course!!.

Have one or dont have one im not bothered myself, just annoys me when you hear all this bollocks by people who dont have a clue about it actually works

"

Blimey, if you get annoyed just by people who don't know how electricity meters work, you are going to be in for a stormy ride on the forum.... lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Happy to be corrected, think the fitter that told me that must have been pulling my chain there! .

Half the peeps fitting Meters these days arent even electricians, there most likely meter readers whove just been bunged on a three day course!!.

Have one or dont have one im not bothered myself, just annoys me when you hear all this bollocks by people who dont have a clue about it actually works

Blimey, if you get annoyed just by people who don't know how electricity meters work, you are going to be in for a stormy ride on the forum.... lol"
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No not really bothered about here on forum I get this all day at work, its like tin foil hat daily

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By *rincessvenusCouple
over a year ago

Hull

in a cyber attack the first things thy will shut down is ll the pwer stn rsresult total cahoss

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"So it's going to cost 11billion to change to smart metering I wonder who is making shit loads of money out of this idea then "
not me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hackers are more likely to use smart meters along with other IOT devices to form a "botnet" from which they can launch massive Distributed Denial of Service attacks .... there was an instance of this in september where the attack reached over 1 terrabit per second .... basically it's a massive attack (but not the massive attack from bristol that write cool tunes)

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside


"Mostly the Chinese.

the security services have also expressed concern that the Chinese will have control over electricity through these meters.

I know what I have written sounds like a paranoid nut job."

Mark

The bloke who fitted my new meter looked a bit Chinese...are they after me..maybe I'm first on the list to be controlled...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So it's going to cost 11billion to change to smart metering I wonder who is making shit loads of money out of this idea then "

Do you trust smart meters enough to have one fitted?

are billings of £5000+ per day acceptable even if they are mistakes!

Who has to prove they are a mistake

Are out of date smart meters acceptable in your eyes

After listening to Jeremy Vine last week, I called to cancel this fitting of mine

Due to the attitude of the person on the help desk I also put in a direct complaint and threatened to change my supplier.

I immediately received an apology and a £50 good will payment to my account

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sometimes you just have to complain.

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By *plpxp2Couple
over a year ago

Middlesbrough

Free smart meters for everyone to save us money, unfortunately the cost of this little fiasco is added to all our bills.

There seems to be no common standard so it you move supplier chances are the kit won't work.

Lots of issues lead to a number of properties not being suitable - wall thickness, as other have said LED kit and solar panels - all upset the tech used.

Another gov lead fiasco me thinks, but then we are all saving loads of money

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Martin Lewis on his 5 live 'slot' did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and mentioned about the lack of compatibility between suppliers..

had been ignoring the letters before then as i'm fecked if i was going to call a massive company already making bundles on a premium rate number or whatever but that did it for me..

does anyone know if you move property and there is one installed with one company whether you can have it removed..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Martin Lewis on his 5 live 'slot' did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and mentioned about the lack of compatibility between suppliers..

had been ignoring the letters before then as i'm fecked if i was going to call a massive company already making bundles on a premium rate number or whatever but that did it for me..

does anyone know if you move property and there is one installed with one company whether you can have it removed..?"

Yes you can have it removed

But;

It requires returning to the "old style" metering system we have just now

and if the house already has a smart meter but with a different company from which you wish to use, you again have to return to original old meter, then apply for smart meter with new company as the present smart meters in this country (UK) are not compatible

i.e.

"smart gateway" and "in-home display" are non compatible

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Mostly the Chinese.

the security services have also expressed concern that the Chinese will have control over electricity through these meters.

I know what I have written sounds like a paranoid nut job."

How have you arrived at the chinese, most of the smart meters don't actually work due to either poor partnering or a crap mobile phone signal

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Martin Lewis on his 5 live 'slot' did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and mentioned about the lack of compatibility between suppliers..

had been ignoring the letters before then as i'm fecked if i was going to call a massive company already making bundles on a premium rate number or whatever but that did it for me..

does anyone know if you move property and there is one installed with one company whether you can have it removed..?

Yes you can have it removed

But;

It requires returning to the "old style" metering system we have just now

and if the house already has a smart meter but with a different company from which you wish to use, you again have to return to original old meter, then apply for smart meter with new company as the present smart meters in this country (UK) are not compatible

i.e.

"smart gateway" and "in-home display" are non compatible"

It's not responsibility of the householder to return the asset, but the asset owner does have the right to collect the old units from who ever replaces it

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Martin Lewis on his 5 live 'slot' did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and mentioned about the lack of compatibility between suppliers..

had been ignoring the letters before then as i'm fecked if i was going to call a massive company already making bundles on a premium rate number or whatever but that did it for me..

does anyone know if you move property and there is one installed with one company whether you can have it removed..?"

The MAM is responsible for the meter, if you change supplier the new supplier can rent the unit and obtain the data from the MAM

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Free smart meters for everyone to save us money, unfortunately the cost of this little fiasco is added to all our bills.

There seems to be no common standard so it you move supplier chances are the kit won't work.

Lots of issues lead to a number of properties not being suitable - wall thickness, as other have said LED kit and solar panels - all upset the tech used.

Another gov lead fiasco me thinks, but then we are all saving loads of money "

It has nothing to do with saving us the end user any money what so ever, but is driven by lack of slack in the national infrastructure. I.E. demand going up due to population growth, and the network creaking at the seems

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Information lifted from Which Consumer Rights.

Do I have to have a smart meter.

In Summary.

If your energy company has contacted you to change to a smart meter because your current meter needs replacing, it could be a safety hazard not to.

But if you really don't want a smart meter, tell your supplier and they will probably offer to install a smart meter set up to work with all the communications switched off, ie in what is called dumb mode!!"

Changing from a smart dumb meter to a smart meter has nothing to do with safety

But suppliers do have rights of entry under the Gas Act and Electric Act to inspect and maintain there equipment if there is a known or suspected safety issue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Martin Lewis on his 5 live 'slot' did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and mentioned about the lack of compatibility between suppliers..

had been ignoring the letters before then as i'm fecked if i was going to call a massive company already making bundles on a premium rate number or whatever but that did it for me..

does anyone know if you move property and there is one installed with one company whether you can have it removed..?

The MAM is responsible for the meter, if you change supplier the new supplier can rent the unit and obtain the data from the MAM"

You need to tune into the Jeremy Vine debate on this which was on radio 2 last week, you can still listen on iplayer, and you will find he, as well as suppliers and some uk public have different opinion than yourself on most of what you have quotted, have a listen.

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"The point I am making is the meters dont need to be hacked if the come out the factory already enabled to cut power if someone orders it.

Every country in the world has probing attacks on their power utilities as this is the New area of cyber war.

Hacking domestic end user meters is not where the real problem lies.

If you want something to worry about worry about Israel weaponizing a CIA snooping program and then hacking DNC's to cause nuclear accidents and kill scientists in Iran and the fact that that dirty little secret is out so shortly Russia, China and anyone else who wants to will be able to directly attack anything where DNC's are used.

DNC's are used everywhere, especially in infrastructure!"

All of the new electric meters can be shut down remotely by the asset manager, if the end user is in debt, but the supplier would need a court order to enable this to happen. It's one of the 1st tests the installer actually does when setting up the meters

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"

You are legally required to have your electric meter changed every five years

Is that correct? Yes, maybe for gas meters, but electric? Been in the same house 24 years with no electricity meter change.

"

What utter bollocks your not legally obliged to have your meter changed every 5 years, it's an asset to MAM who wants it installed for as long as possible, typical meter life is 15-20 years

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Martin Lewis on his 5 live 'slot' did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and mentioned about the lack of compatibility between suppliers..

had been ignoring the letters before then as i'm fecked if i was going to call a massive company already making bundles on a premium rate number or whatever but that did it for me..

does anyone know if you move property and there is one installed with one company whether you can have it removed..?

The MAM is responsible for the meter, if you change supplier the new supplier can rent the unit and obtain the data from the MAM

You need to tune into the Jeremy Vine debate on this which was on radio 2 last week, you can still listen on iplayer, and you will find he, as well as suppliers and some uk public have different opinion than yourself on most of what you have quotted, have a listen."

I don't need to tune in I've worked in the utility sector for 40 years, I train engineers on their rights of entry under the Gas act etc. I train and assess smart meter installers.

I've project managed meter change programmes, so I think I know just a bit more than Jeremy vine on this 1

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Martin Lewis on his 5 live 'slot' did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and mentioned about the lack of compatibility between suppliers..

had been ignoring the letters before then as i'm fecked if i was going to call a massive company already making bundles on a premium rate number or whatever but that did it for me..

does anyone know if you move property and there is one installed with one company whether you can have it removed..?

The MAM is responsible for the meter, if you change supplier the new supplier can rent the unit and obtain the data from the MAM

You need to tune into the Jeremy Vine debate on this which was on radio 2 last week, you can still listen on iplayer, and you will find he, as well as suppliers and some uk public have different opinion than yourself on most of what you have quotted, have a listen.

I don't need to tune in I've worked in the utility sector for 40 years, I train engineers on their rights of entry under the Gas act etc. I train and assess smart meter installers.

I've project managed meter change programmes, so I think I know just a bit more than Jeremy vine on this 1"

have you every considered you have 40 years of "brainwashing"

no, ofcourse not, you know better than experts

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Martin Lewis on his 5 live 'slot' did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and mentioned about the lack of compatibility between suppliers..

had been ignoring the letters before then as i'm fecked if i was going to call a massive company already making bundles on a premium rate number or whatever but that did it for me..

does anyone know if you move property and there is one installed with one company whether you can have it removed..?

The MAM is responsible for the meter, if you change supplier the new supplier can rent the unit and obtain the data from the MAM

You need to tune into the Jeremy Vine debate on this which was on radio 2 last week, you can still listen on iplayer, and you will find he, as well as suppliers and some uk public have different opinion than yourself on most of what you have quotted, have a listen.

I don't need to tune in I've worked in the utility sector for 40 years, I train engineers on their rights of entry under the Gas act etc. I train and assess smart meter installers.

I've project managed meter change programmes, so I think I know just a bit more than Jeremy vine on this 1

have you every considered you have 40 years of "brainwashing"

no, ofcourse not, you know better than experts"

Fucking hell what a stupid comment,

I'm that brain washed that I have refused to have my dumb meters swapped for smart meters

I'm that brain washed that I work freelance as a consultant trainer

And do me what knowledge or experience Jeremy Vine has on the

Gas Act

BS6891

The GSIUR 1998

BS6440 parts 1 and 2

CSST

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Martin Lewis on his 5 live 'slot' did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and mentioned about the lack of compatibility between suppliers..

had been ignoring the letters before then as i'm fecked if i was going to call a massive company already making bundles on a premium rate number or whatever but that did it for me..

does anyone know if you move property and there is one installed with one company whether you can have it removed..?

The MAM is responsible for the meter, if you change supplier the new supplier can rent the unit and obtain the data from the MAM

You need to tune into the Jeremy Vine debate on this which was on radio 2 last week, you can still listen on iplayer, and you will find he, as well as suppliers and some uk public have different opinion than yourself on most of what you have quotted, have a listen.

I don't need to tune in I've worked in the utility sector for 40 years, I train engineers on their rights of entry under the Gas act etc. I train and assess smart meter installers.

I've project managed meter change programmes, so I think I know just a bit more than Jeremy vine on this 1

have you every considered you have 40 years of "brainwashing"

no, ofcourse not, you know better than experts"

I bet you have no idea on the relationship between transporters shippers suppliers

end users and MAM,s

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Martin Lewis on his 5 live 'slot' did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and mentioned about the lack of compatibility between suppliers..

had been ignoring the letters before then as i'm fecked if i was going to call a massive company already making bundles on a premium rate number or whatever but that did it for me..

does anyone know if you move property and there is one installed with one company whether you can have it removed..?

The MAM is responsible for the meter, if you change supplier the new supplier can rent the unit and obtain the data from the MAM

You need to tune into the Jeremy Vine debate on this which was on radio 2 last week, you can still listen on iplayer, and you will find he, as well as suppliers and some uk public have different opinion than yourself on most of what you have quotted, have a listen.

I don't need to tune in I've worked in the utility sector for 40 years, I train engineers on their rights of entry under the Gas act etc. I train and assess smart meter installers.

I've project managed meter change programmes, so I think I know just a bit more than Jeremy vine on this 1

have you every considered you have 40 years of "brainwashing"

no, ofcourse not, you know better than experts

Fucking hell what a stupid comment,

I'm that brain washed that I have refused to have my dumb meters swapped for smart meters

I'm that brain washed that I work freelance as a consultant trainer

And do me what knowledge or experience Jeremy Vine has on the

Gas Act

BS6891

The GSIUR 1998

BS6440 parts 1 and 2

CSST

"

seems the word "brainwashed" has hit a raw nerve

stay cool, keep them panties on

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Martin Lewis on his 5 live 'slot' did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and mentioned about the lack of compatibility between suppliers..

had been ignoring the letters before then as i'm fecked if i was going to call a massive company already making bundles on a premium rate number or whatever but that did it for me..

does anyone know if you move property and there is one installed with one company whether you can have it removed..?

Yes you can have it removed

But;

It requires returning to the "old style" metering system we have just now

and if the house already has a smart meter but with a different company from which you wish to use, you again have to return to original old meter, then apply for smart meter with new company as the present smart meters in this country (UK) are not compatible

i.e.

"smart gateway" and "in-home display" are non compatible"

Ty for that, just confirms it's a bit of a shambles then..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Martin Lewis on his 5 live 'slot' did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and mentioned about the lack of compatibility between suppliers..

had been ignoring the letters before then as i'm fecked if i was going to call a massive company already making bundles on a premium rate number or whatever but that did it for me..

does anyone know if you move property and there is one installed with one company whether you can have it removed..?

The MAM is responsible for the meter, if you change supplier the new supplier can rent the unit and obtain the data from the MAM"

Ah ty also. That sounds like a bit of common sense has been applied

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It seems that every now and then someone comes up with another money maker, how long again was it they went round trying to move all of the meters outside people's property's ?

Yes it was free to the householder but someone made money out of it, they tried to get me to have one I told them to do one as I was not having a white box stuck on the front of my house.

Again someone is going to make a lit of money out of this

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"It seems that every now and then someone comes up with another money maker, how long again was it they went round trying to move all of the meters outside people's property's ?

Yes it was free to the householder but someone made money out of it, they tried to get me to have one I told them to do one as I was not having a white box stuck on the front of my house.

Again someone is going to make a lit of money out of this "

That was caused by the regulator and the HSE insisting that old out dated cast iron mains which crack and break in the cold, and spun iron mains which also fracture and leak, being replaced by non rotting and much safer PE. Which has ensured that we have 1 of the safest run nationally connected gas networks in the world.

If the service is renewed it must be brought up to latest specifications which prevent a meter been installled under a sink a stair way etc. Truthfully fitting the white box costs the network operator more money to fit, than just running back to the exiting position. So yeah fitting white boxes definitely makes sense

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"Martin Lewis on his 5 live 'slot' did a piece on them a couple of weeks ago and mentioned about the lack of compatibility between suppliers..

had been ignoring the letters before then as i'm fecked if i was going to call a massive company already making bundles on a premium rate number or whatever but that did it for me..

does anyone know if you move property and there is one installed with one company whether you can have it removed..?

The MAM is responsible for the meter, if you change supplier the new supplier can rent the unit and obtain the data from the MAM

Ah ty also. That sounds like a bit of common sense has been applied"

It's been like this for at least 15 years, but yeah it would be nice if the shippers could agree on a common language for the data which is captured by the meters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im going to take the risk and hopefully ill get one of the little talked about or complained about under reading smart meters

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It seems that every now and then someone comes up with another money maker, how long again was it they went round trying to move all of the meters outside people's property's ?

Yes it was free to the householder but someone made money out of it, they tried to get me to have one I told them to do one as I was not having a white box stuck on the front of my house.

Again someone is going to make a lit of money out of this

That was caused by the regulator and the HSE insisting that old out dated cast iron mains which crack and break in the cold, and spun iron mains which also fracture and leak, being replaced by non rotting and much safer PE. Which has ensured that we have 1 of the safest run nationally connected gas networks in the world.

If the service is renewed it must be brought up to latest specifications which prevent a meter been installled under a sink a stair way etc. Truthfully fitting the white box costs the network operator more money to fit, than just running back to the exiting position. So yeah fitting white boxes definitely makes sense"

Around here they inserted tubing inside the original mains from the street, they wanted to put th meter outside my house right on the front wall so they could do the meter reading from outside.

I told them straight no

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