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"Maybe there is more than one issue driving the slow movement of power away from the mainly protestant unionists and to the mainly catholic republicans." Well, a cross border deal with the EU country next door might have some bearing? | |||
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"Partly its the RHI scheme, part of it is that the DUP was very strongly for Brexit which runs counter to what people wanted and the DUP is the hard right and have repeatedly used their position to block things like marriage equality which younger people are more likely for. Its worth noting that the raw vote for the DUP was higher this week than it was last year. Its the vote for the other parties thats increased so its either the DUP driving more people to vote against them or the other parties getting more people to vote for them." DUP still returned the most seats. | |||
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"Partly its the RHI scheme, part of it is that the DUP was very strongly for Brexit which runs counter to what people wanted and the DUP is the hard right and have repeatedly used their position to block things like marriage equality which younger people are more likely for. Its worth noting that the raw vote for the DUP was higher this week than it was last year. Its the vote for the other parties thats increased so its either the DUP driving more people to vote against them or the other parties getting more people to vote for them. DUP still returned the most seats. " Thanks to Putin's (Russian's tax payers) money  | |||
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"Partly its the RHI scheme, part of it is that the DUP was very strongly for Brexit which runs counter to what people wanted and the DUP is the hard right and have repeatedly used their position to block things like marriage equality which younger people are more likely for. Its worth noting that the raw vote for the DUP was higher this week than it was last year. Its the vote for the other parties thats increased so its either the DUP driving more people to vote against them or the other parties getting more people to vote for them. DUP still returned the most seats. " Indeed they did, 29 seats to SF's 28. But in Northern Ireland, everything is complicated. By cherrypicking this particular number, you're also overlooking the incredibly significant fact that for the first time since the creation of the Northern Irish state, there is no longer a Unionist majority in Stormont. The DUP were the biggest losers in this election, UUP voters gave their 2nd preferences parties other than DUP. In failing to win 30 seats, the DUP have lost the petition of concern veto which was used to overturn democratic results. This has resulted in citizens in Northern Ireland having less rights than their counterparts in England, Scotland or Wales. Sinn Fein used words like arrogance and bigotry to describe their DUP partners in government. It appears the electorate agreed with them. Brexit has very serious implications both in the Republic and Northern Ireland. It is becoming clearer that the current Tory government doesn't give a damn about Northern Ireland (or Gibraltar!) Personally I'm disappointed in the results. Its indicative of increased polarisation and increased entrenchment of attitudes here. | |||
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"Partly its the RHI scheme, part of it is that the DUP was very strongly for Brexit which runs counter to what people wanted and the DUP is the hard right and have repeatedly used their position to block things like marriage equality which younger people are more likely for. Its worth noting that the raw vote for the DUP was higher this week than it was last year. Its the vote for the other parties thats increased so its either the DUP driving more people to vote against them or the other parties getting more people to vote for them. DUP still returned the most seats. Indeed they did, 29 seats to SF's 28. But in Northern Ireland, everything is complicated. By cherrypicking this particular number, you're also overlooking the incredibly significant fact that for the first time since the creation of the Northern Irish state, there is no longer a Unionist majority in Stormont. The DUP were the biggest losers in this election, UUP voters gave their 2nd preferences parties other than DUP. In failing to win 30 seats, the DUP have lost the petition of concern veto which was used to overturn democratic results. This has resulted in citizens in Northern Ireland having less rights than their counterparts in England, Scotland or Wales. Sinn Fein used words like arrogance and bigotry to describe their DUP partners in government. It appears the electorate agreed with them. Brexit has very serious implications both in the Republic and Northern Ireland. It is becoming clearer that the current Tory government doesn't give a damn about Northern Ireland (or Gibraltar!) Personally I'm disappointed in the results. Its indicative of increased polarisation and increased entrenchment of attitudes here. " I would have thought that the amount of money which the UK government pumps into NI by way of subsidies is clear proof that they do care . A very successfully business based near the border is not concerned about Brexit . Brexit simply means a few changes and will open up lots of new opportunities. The EU was an expensive club to join and we appear to have gained nothing from it. | |||
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"Partly its the RHI scheme, part of it is that the DUP was very strongly for Brexit which runs counter to what people wanted and the DUP is the hard right and have repeatedly used their position to block things like marriage equality which younger people are more likely for. Its worth noting that the raw vote for the DUP was higher this week than it was last year. Its the vote for the other parties thats increased so its either the DUP driving more people to vote against them or the other parties getting more people to vote for them. DUP still returned the most seats. Indeed they did, 29 seats to SF's 28. But in Northern Ireland, everything is complicated. By cherrypicking this particular number, you're also overlooking the incredibly significant fact that for the first time since the creation of the Northern Irish state, there is no longer a Unionist majority in Stormont. The DUP were the biggest losers in this election, UUP voters gave their 2nd preferences parties other than DUP. In failing to win 30 seats, the DUP have lost the petition of concern veto which was used to overturn democratic results. This has resulted in citizens in Northern Ireland having less rights than their counterparts in England, Scotland or Wales. Sinn Fein used words like arrogance and bigotry to describe their DUP partners in government. It appears the electorate agreed with them. Brexit has very serious implications both in the Republic and Northern Ireland. It is becoming clearer that the current Tory government doesn't give a damn about Northern Ireland (or Gibraltar!) Personally I'm disappointed in the results. Its indicative of increased polarisation and increased entrenchment of attitudes here. I would have thought that the amount of money which the UK government pumps into NI by way of subsidies is clear proof that they do care . A very successfully business based near the border is not concerned about Brexit . Brexit simply means a few changes and will open up lots of new opportunities. The EU was an expensive club to join and we appear to have gained nothing from it. " Not counting the tens of billions of pounds we gain from it every year?  | |||
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" A very successfully business based near the border is not concerned about Brexit . Brexit simply means a few changes and will open up lots of new opportunities. The EU was an expensive club to join and we appear to have gained nothing from it. " A business near the border could end up having the cost of its service/product shoot up by up to 50%. Some successful businesses have up to 70% of their customers across the border. How is that not a worry for them? | |||
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" A very successfully business based near the border is not concerned about Brexit . Brexit simply means a few changes and will open up lots of new opportunities. The EU was an expensive club to join and we appear to have gained nothing from it. A business near the border could end up having the cost of its service/product shoot up by up to 50%. Some successful businesses have up to 70% of their customers across the border. How is that not a worry for them?" However this is not my opinion , it is that of the MD who is quotes in today's Sunday Times . The worse case scenario is that a duty of 5 % may be applied but this will be compensated by currency movements . Companies survive based on service , quality of product , and price of product . Whether or not we are a member of the EU is irrelevant . | |||
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" I would have thought that the amount of money which the UK government pumps into NI by way of subsidies is clear proof that they do care . A very successfully business based near the border is not concerned about Brexit . Brexit simply means a few changes and will open up lots of new opportunities. The EU was an expensive club to join and we appear to have gained nothing from it. " In response to the points you have raised. The voters of Northern Ireland appear to disagree with you Wishful thinking. Both sides of the political divide are opposed to a hard border. Its bad for business, it will made cross border trade much harder, particularly for the agricultural and food processing sectors. A hard border will also provide smuggling income which may fund a return to violence that nobody here wants. A hard border will also intensify support for a united Ireland. lol  | |||
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" A very successfully business based near the border is not concerned about Brexit . Brexit simply means a few changes and will open up lots of new opportunities. The EU was an expensive club to join and we appear to have gained nothing from it. A business near the border could end up having the cost of its service/product shoot up by up to 50%. Some successful businesses have up to 70% of their customers across the border. How is that not a worry for them? However this is not my opinion , it is that of the MD who is quotes in today's Sunday Times . The worse case scenario is that a duty of 5 % may be applied but this will be compensated by currency movements . Companies survive based on service , quality of product , and price of product . Whether or not we are a member of the EU is irrelevant . " Which MD and why is he an expert on cross border commerce in Northern Ireland. The worst case scenario is WTO standards if the EU and the UK cant work out a deal and that includes duties for up to 50% on some important exports. Price is always a part of the buying process, youre being obtuse to claim it isnt. A 50% rise in the price of a aproduct will of course harm sales,if it didnt then theyd charge that price now and be making a fortune. | |||
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" A very successfully business based near the border is not concerned about Brexit . Brexit simply means a few changes and will open up lots of new opportunities. The EU was an expensive club to join and we appear to have gained nothing from it. A business near the border could end up having the cost of its service/product shoot up by up to 50%. Some successful businesses have up to 70% of their customers across the border. How is that not a worry for them? However this is not my opinion , it is that of the MD who is quotes in today's Sunday Times . The worse case scenario is that a duty of 5 % may be applied but this will be compensated by currency movements . Companies survive based on service , quality of product , and price of product . Whether or not we are a member of the EU is irrelevant . " ok so now the question will uk citerzens be able to work in the EU visa free? If not then what will happen if there's a business on the border on the ROI side who have employees who live on the N Ireland side? | |||
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"Partly its the RHI scheme, part of it is that the DUP was very strongly for Brexit which runs counter to what people wanted and the DUP is the hard right and have repeatedly used their position to block things like marriage equality which younger people are more likely for. Its worth noting that the raw vote for the DUP was higher this week than it was last year. Its the vote for the other parties thats increased so its either the DUP driving more people to vote against them or the other parties getting more people to vote for them. DUP still returned the most seats. Indeed they did, 29 seats to SF's 28. But in Northern Ireland, everything is complicated. By cherrypicking this particular number, you're also overlooking the incredibly significant fact that for the first time since the creation of the Northern Irish state, there is no longer a Unionist majority in Stormont. The DUP were the biggest losers in this election, UUP voters gave their 2nd preferences parties other than DUP. In failing to win 30 seats, the DUP have lost the petition of concern veto which was used to overturn democratic results. This has resulted in citizens in Northern Ireland having less rights than their counterparts in England, Scotland or Wales. Sinn Fein used words like arrogance and bigotry to describe their DUP partners in government. It appears the electorate agreed with them. Brexit has very serious implications both in the Republic and Northern Ireland. It is becoming clearer that the current Tory government doesn't give a damn about Northern Ireland (or Gibraltar!) Personally I'm disappointed in the results. Its indicative of increased polarisation and increased entrenchment of attitudes here. I would have thought that the amount of money which the UK government pumps into NI by way of subsidies is clear proof that they do care . A very successfully business based near the border is not concerned about Brexit . Brexit simply means a few changes and will open up lots of new opportunities. The EU was an expensive club to join and we appear to have gained nothing from it. Not counting the tens of billions of pounds we gain from it every year? "The tens of billions we get back...from the hundred billion we pay in? | |||
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"Partly its the RHI scheme, part of it is that the DUP was very strongly for Brexit which runs counter to what people wanted and the DUP is the hard right and have repeatedly used their position to block things like marriage equality which younger people are more likely for. Its worth noting that the raw vote for the DUP was higher this week than it was last year. Its the vote for the other parties thats increased so its either the DUP driving more people to vote against them or the other parties getting more people to vote for them. DUP still returned the most seats. Indeed they did, 29 seats to SF's 28. But in Northern Ireland, everything is complicated. By cherrypicking this particular number, you're also overlooking the incredibly significant fact that for the first time since the creation of the Northern Irish state, there is no longer a Unionist majority in Stormont. The DUP were the biggest losers in this election, UUP voters gave their 2nd preferences parties other than DUP. In failing to win 30 seats, the DUP have lost the petition of concern veto which was used to overturn democratic results. This has resulted in citizens in Northern Ireland having less rights than their counterparts in England, Scotland or Wales. Sinn Fein used words like arrogance and bigotry to describe their DUP partners in government. It appears the electorate agreed with them. Brexit has very serious implications both in the Republic and Northern Ireland. It is becoming clearer that the current Tory government doesn't give a damn about Northern Ireland (or Gibraltar!) Personally I'm disappointed in the results. Its indicative of increased polarisation and increased entrenchment of attitudes here. I would have thought that the amount of money which the UK government pumps into NI by way of subsidies is clear proof that they do care . A very successfully business based near the border is not concerned about Brexit . Brexit simply means a few changes and will open up lots of new opportunities. The EU was an expensive club to join and we appear to have gained nothing from it. Not counting the tens of billions of pounds we gain from it every year?
The tens of billions we get back...from the hundred billion we pay in?"A Hundred Billion over which period of time exactly? | |||
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"Partly its the RHI scheme, part of it is that the DUP was very strongly for Brexit which runs counter to what people wanted and the DUP is the hard right and have repeatedly used their position to block things like marriage equality which younger people are more likely for. Its worth noting that the raw vote for the DUP was higher this week than it was last year. Its the vote for the other parties thats increased so its either the DUP driving more people to vote against them or the other parties getting more people to vote for them. DUP still returned the most seats. Indeed they did, 29 seats to SF's 28. But in Northern Ireland, everything is complicated. By cherrypicking this particular number, you're also overlooking the incredibly significant fact that for the first time since the creation of the Northern Irish state, there is no longer a Unionist majority in Stormont. The DUP were the biggest losers in this election, UUP voters gave their 2nd preferences parties other than DUP. In failing to win 30 seats, the DUP have lost the petition of concern veto which was used to overturn democratic results. This has resulted in citizens in Northern Ireland having less rights than their counterparts in England, Scotland or Wales. Sinn Fein used words like arrogance and bigotry to describe their DUP partners in government. It appears the electorate agreed with them. Brexit has very serious implications both in the Republic and Northern Ireland. It is becoming clearer that the current Tory government doesn't give a damn about Northern Ireland (or Gibraltar!) Personally I'm disappointed in the results. Its indicative of increased polarisation and increased entrenchment of attitudes here. I would have thought that the amount of money which the UK government pumps into NI by way of subsidies is clear proof that they do care . A very successfully business based near the border is not concerned about Brexit . Brexit simply means a few changes and will open up lots of new opportunities. The EU was an expensive club to join and we appear to have gained nothing from it. Not counting the tens of billions of pounds we gain from it every year? "We actually have a huge trade deficit with the EU. I think the figure is something like £65 billion every year which was quoted by Consevative MP Bill Cash in the House of Commons. He said the figure had come from the House of Commons Library. | |||
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" I would have thought that the amount of money which the UK government pumps into NI by way of subsidies is clear proof that they do care . A very successfully business based near the border is not concerned about Brexit . Brexit simply means a few changes and will open up lots of new opportunities. The EU was an expensive club to join and we appear to have gained nothing from it. In response to the points you have raised. The voters of Northern Ireland appear to disagree with you Wishful thinking. Both sides of the political divide are opposed to a hard border. Its bad for business, it will made cross border trade much harder, particularly for the agricultural and food processing sectors. A hard border will also provide smuggling income which may fund a return to violence that nobody here wants. A hard border will also intensify support for a united Ireland. lol "However I never said that I wanted a border . What we need to do is negotiate the best possible deal for both the UK and Ireland . It is pointless paying more into the EU than we get in return. Why would anyone do that ? That is why we have voted to leave the EU. We want to fully compatible operate with out EU partners but not to be ripped off . | |||
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" lol However I never said that I wanted a border . What we need to do is negotiate the best possible deal for both the UK and Ireland . It is pointless paying more into the EU than we get in return. Why would anyone do that ? That is why we have voted to leave the EU.
We want to fully compatible operate with out EU partners but not to be ripped off . "I pay more into Tesco than they give me back in vouchers. But I get the benefit of the goods. The EU isnt just a cash exchange. There were many social, economical, political and security benefits to being in the EU. | |||
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"Partly its the RHI scheme, part of it is that the DUP was very strongly for Brexit which runs counter to what people wanted and the DUP is the hard right and have repeatedly used their position to block things like marriage equality which younger people are more likely for. Its worth noting that the raw vote for the DUP was higher this week than it was last year. Its the vote for the other parties thats increased so its either the DUP driving more people to vote against them or the other parties getting more people to vote for them. DUP still returned the most seats. Indeed they did, 29 seats to SF's 28. But in Northern Ireland, everything is complicated. By cherrypicking this particular number, you're also overlooking the incredibly significant fact that for the first time since the creation of the Northern Irish state, there is no longer a Unionist majority in Stormont. The DUP were the biggest losers in this election, UUP voters gave their 2nd preferences parties other than DUP. In failing to win 30 seats, the DUP have lost the petition of concern veto which was used to overturn democratic results. This has resulted in citizens in Northern Ireland having less rights than their counterparts in England, Scotland or Wales. Sinn Fein used words like arrogance and bigotry to describe their DUP partners in government. It appears the electorate agreed with them. Brexit has very serious implications both in the Republic and Northern Ireland. It is becoming clearer that the current Tory government doesn't give a damn about Northern Ireland (or Gibraltar!) Personally I'm disappointed in the results. Its indicative of increased polarisation and increased entrenchment of attitudes here. I would have thought that the amount of money which the UK government pumps into NI by way of subsidies is clear proof that they do care . A very successfully business based near the border is not concerned about Brexit . Brexit simply means a few changes and will open up lots of new opportunities. The EU was an expensive club to join and we appear to have gained nothing from it. Not counting the tens of billions of pounds we gain from it every year?
The tens of billions we get back...from the hundred billion we pay in?
A Hundred Billion over which period of time exactly?"Same undisclosed period that we get back "tens of billions".... given we get back less than 15% of what we pay in! | |||
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" lol However I never said that I wanted a border . What we need to do is negotiate the best possible deal for both the UK and Ireland . It is pointless paying more into the EU than we get in return. Why would anyone do that ? That is why we have voted to leave the EU.
We want to fully compatible operate with out EU partners but not to be ripped off .
I pay more into Tesco than they give me back in vouchers. But I get the benefit of the goods. The EU isnt just a cash exchange. There were many social, economical, political and security benefits to being in the EU."FFS stop talking sensibly. This political form is not for sensible and reasoned contributions. PS you do realise that if your audience is only capable of a pre-programmed, one dimensional train of thought - nothing you say will make a blind bit of difference to them believing in their simplistic view of the world. | |||
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" lol However I never said that I wanted a border . What we need to do is negotiate the best possible deal for both the UK and Ireland . It is pointless paying more into the EU than we get in return. Why would anyone do that ? That is why we have voted to leave the EU.
We want to fully compatible operate with out EU partners but not to be ripped off .
I pay more into Tesco than they give me back in vouchers. But I get the benefit of the goods. The EU isnt just a cash exchange. There were many social, economical, political and security benefits to being in the EU."The difference being that you choose to shop at Tesco and in return get a top quality service from one of the UK'S leading supermarkets . I fail to see any economic political or security benefits of being in the EU. The open border policy has caused us untold damage . Strangely quite a few other countries receive back more than they pay in . The UK are the EU third largest contributor. Luckily the majority of voters in the UK realised it was pointless paying more money in that you get back. | |||
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" A very successfully business based near the border is not concerned about Brexit . Brexit simply means a few changes and will open up lots of new opportunities. The EU was an expensive club to join and we appear to have gained nothing from it. A business near the border could end up having the cost of its service/product shoot up by up to 50%. Some successful businesses have up to 70% of their customers across the border. How is that not a worry for them? However this is not my opinion , it is that of the MD who is quotes in today's Sunday Times . The worse case scenario is that a duty of 5 % may be applied but this will be compensated by currency movements . Companies survive based on service , quality of product , and price of product . Whether or not we are a member of the EU is irrelevant . Which MD and why is he an expert on cross border commerce in Northern Ireland. The worst case scenario is WTO standards if the EU and the UK cant work out a deal and that includes duties for up to 50% on some important exports. Price is always a part of the buying process, youre being obtuse to claim it isnt. A 50% rise in the price of a aproduct will of course harm sales,if it didnt then theyd charge that price now and be making a fortune."  Maybe because he runs a large and successfull business near the border involved in the engineering sector . Full details are in to days Sunday Times . | |||
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" lol However I never said that I wanted a border . What we need to do is negotiate the best possible deal for both the UK and Ireland . It is pointless paying more into the EU than we get in return. Why would anyone do that ? That is why we have voted to leave the EU.
We want to fully compatible operate with out EU partners but not to be ripped off .
I pay more into Tesco than they give me back in vouchers. But I get the benefit of the goods. The EU isnt just a cash exchange. There were many social, economical, political and security benefits to being in the EU."Social benefits? Not really as membership of the EU has lead to a breakdown in society in the UK, with the EU free movement of people has come uncontrolled immigration on a mass scale, sections of society and communities have been fractured which has lead to less social harmony. I would also say it has lead to higher crimes rates as criminal elements from within the EU have been free to come here. Economic benefits? Again not really as i already pointed out in an earlier comment the Uk has an annual trade deficit of £65 billion per year with the EU. Figures from the House of Commons Library. Political benefits? Not really as the EU has stripped away UK sovereignty, and made EU law Supreme over British law. Security benefits? Again not really as the EU free movement of people and border free Schengen zone in the EU has made us more vulnerable to terrorist infiltration and attack. EU's antagonism and interference on Ukraine has made Russia more aggressive and talk in the EU of creating an EU army will only make matters much worse. | |||
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"Ireland and scotland for independence  "dont leave us English out give us independence as well | |||
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"Ireland and scotland for independence dont leave us English out give us independence as well "Yes, meant independent from england and to be in the eu. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds." now your talking | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds." Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . | |||
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"Can anyone put a figure on the money paid into Westminster from Scotland and N.Ireland via taxes ? " ....and free water! | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds." A few wee problems. The UK is still leaving the EU anyway because even without the English element of the Brexit vote the referendum vote would have been to leave. Scotland is not ruled by the English and not everyone in NI does not want a hard border. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds." That would be England and Wales. A majority in Wales also voted to Leave the EU in the referendum. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. A few wee problems. The UK is still leaving the EU anyway because even without the English element of the Brexit vote the referendum vote would have been to leave. Scotland is not ruled by the English and not everyone in NI does not want a hard border. " No one in NI wants a hard border except those looking to start up trouble again. Hard border means checkpoints and checkpoints become targets. Not to mention setting back the compromises that got us peace in the first place. That is one of the most stupid comments Ive read here. Peace in NI is always in a precarious position, you only have to look at the issues and divisiveness we see right now in setting up a new government. Tories, Labour, the Irish political parties and the reasonable Northern Irish who dont want to return to violence all agree that a hard border risks the peace up there. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. A few wee problems. The UK is still leaving the EU anyway because even without the English element of the Brexit vote the referendum vote would have been to leave. Scotland is not ruled by the English and not everyone in NI does not want a hard border. " Time to reunify Ireland. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. A few wee problems. The UK is still leaving the EU anyway because even without the English element of the Brexit vote the referendum vote would have been to leave. Scotland is not ruled by the English and not everyone in NI does not want a hard border. No one in NI wants a hard border except those looking to start up trouble again. Hard border means checkpoints and checkpoints become targets. Not to mention setting back the compromises that got us peace in the first place. That is one of the most stupid comments Ive read here. Peace in NI is always in a precarious position, you only have to look at the issues and divisiveness we see right now in setting up a new government. Tories, Labour, the Irish political parties and the reasonable Northern Irish who dont want to return to violence all agree that a hard border risks the peace up there." There is a considerable number of people in NI that DO want a hard border. Lots of people say "Nobody wants a hard border" just as people say "Nobody supports the terrorists". Both statements are incorrect. Just look at the recent election to see how many voted for terrorists. | |||
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"Time to reunify Ireland. " Sorry, no. For 3 reasons... Firstly, the population is still much too closely balanced between Catholic and Protestant. Any attempt to unite Ireland at this time would cause the same sort of divisions in NI as brexit has caused across the UK, but with one difference, it would quickly turn violent. Secondly, the border in its present form is a boon to the population of Ireland. It provides a wealth of duplicated civil service jobs, one north and one south of the border, plus jobs related to the border, plus cross border trade. And of course there is all the UK government investment. All this would go if Ireland was united. Finally there are the UK security issues. NI provides a garrison base to secure and over-watch the Western Approaches. This is vital for the UK's national security. Ironically it also helps secure the Republics neutrality because in times of conflict any potential aggressor who considers invading the Republic and using it as a base to attack the UK from knows that they would not have an unopposed landing in the Republic because of the NI garrison. I do think that it is very close to the time when there will have to be a complete transfer of rolls in the NI government between Catholic and Protestant. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. A few wee problems. The UK is still leaving the EU anyway because even without the English element of the Brexit vote the referendum vote would have been to leave. Scotland is not ruled by the English and not everyone in NI does not want a hard border. " I'm not quite sure how you figure that? Without the English element, the combined votes of Scotland, NI and Wales would have resulted is remain, not leave. Despite the fact that Wales voted by a narrow majority to leave, both Scotland and NI voted to remain in much larger numbers. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. A few wee problems. The UK is still leaving the EU anyway because even without the English element of the Brexit vote the referendum vote would have been to leave. Scotland is not ruled by the English and not everyone in NI does not want a hard border. No one in NI wants a hard border except those looking to start up trouble again. Hard border means checkpoints and checkpoints become targets. Not to mention setting back the compromises that got us peace in the first place. That is one of the most stupid comments Ive read here. Peace in NI is always in a precarious position, you only have to look at the issues and divisiveness we see right now in setting up a new government. Tories, Labour, the Irish political parties and the reasonable Northern Irish who dont want to return to violence all agree that a hard border risks the peace up there. There is a considerable number of people in NI that DO want a hard border. Lots of people say "Nobody wants a hard border" just as people say "Nobody supports the terrorists". Both statements are incorrect. Just look at the recent election to see how many voted for terrorists." Hmnn. The only party here that advocated a return to the border of old was the TUV who got less than 30,000 votes across the province. Ian Paisley in his prime could get 29,000 votes in the European elections. The UDA endorsed the DUP in the elections, is that what you mean by voting for terrorists? Of course lets not overlook the close relationship between Dee Stitt and the DUP. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. A few wee problems. The UK is still leaving the EU anyway because even without the English element of the Brexit vote the referendum vote would have been to leave. Scotland is not ruled by the English and not everyone in NI does not want a hard border. No one in NI wants a hard border except those looking to start up trouble again. Hard border means checkpoints and checkpoints become targets. Not to mention setting back the compromises that got us peace in the first place. That is one of the most stupid comments Ive read here. Peace in NI is always in a precarious position, you only have to look at the issues and divisiveness we see right now in setting up a new government. Tories, Labour, the Irish political parties and the reasonable Northern Irish who dont want to return to violence all agree that a hard border risks the peace up there. There is a considerable number of people in NI that DO want a hard border. Lots of people say "Nobody wants a hard border" just as people say "Nobody supports the terrorists". Both statements are incorrect. Just look at the recent election to see how many voted for terrorists. Hmnn. The only party here that advocated a return to the border of old was the TUV who got less than 30,000 votes across the province. Ian Paisley in his prime could get 29,000 votes in the European elections. The UDA endorsed the DUP in the elections, is that what you mean by voting for terrorists? Of course lets not overlook the close relationship between Dee Stitt and the DUP. " What I was actually referring to as parties that support terrorism were both SF and PUP. I don't think the DUP have ever stated supporting a terrorist organisation.SF is obviously linked to the IRA and PUP to the UVF. | |||
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"I don't think the DUP have ever stated supporting a terrorist organisation." The DUP was formed by Ian Paisley. Ian Paisley was a founding member of the UDA/UFF and remained a member until 1 minute to midnight on the day before it was declared an illegal organisation. The UDA/UFF was the largest and most active of all the 'loyalist' paramilitaries. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. A few wee problems. The UK is still leaving the EU anyway because even without the English element of the Brexit vote the referendum vote would have been to leave. Scotland is not ruled by the English and not everyone in NI does not want a hard border. No one in NI wants a hard border except those looking to start up trouble again. Hard border means checkpoints and checkpoints become targets. Not to mention setting back the compromises that got us peace in the first place. That is one of the most stupid comments Ive read here. Peace in NI is always in a precarious position, you only have to look at the issues and divisiveness we see right now in setting up a new government. Tories, Labour, the Irish political parties and the reasonable Northern Irish who dont want to return to violence all agree that a hard border risks the peace up there. There is a considerable number of people in NI that DO want a hard border. Lots of people say "Nobody wants a hard border" just as people say "Nobody supports the terrorists". Both statements are incorrect. Just look at the recent election to see how many voted for terrorists. Hmnn. The only party here that advocated a return to the border of old was the TUV who got less than 30,000 votes across the province. Ian Paisley in his prime could get 29,000 votes in the European elections. The UDA endorsed the DUP in the elections, is that what you mean by voting for terrorists? Of course lets not overlook the close relationship between Dee Stitt and the DUP. What I was actually referring to as parties that support terrorism were both SF and PUP. I don't think the DUP have ever stated supporting a terrorist organisation.SF is obviously linked to the IRA and PUP to the UVF." The PUP haven't existed as a political force since the death of Davy Ervine 10 years ago. The IRA ceased their campaign earlier than this. It was Churchill that said 'jaw-jaw is better than war-war' There's an expression 'never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake' So much of Sinn Fein's electoral success was down to Arlene Foster. She was played like a fish. Her own intransigence led to the splitting of the union | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . " The EU access to our territorial waters for fishing is worth a fortune but is never calculated in monetary terms. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. A few wee problems. The UK is still leaving the EU anyway because even without the English element of the Brexit vote the referendum vote would have been to leave. Scotland is not ruled by the English and not everyone in NI does not want a hard border. No one in NI wants a hard border except those looking to start up trouble again. Hard border means checkpoints and checkpoints become targets. Not to mention setting back the compromises that got us peace in the first place. That is one of the most stupid comments Ive read here. Peace in NI is always in a precarious position, you only have to look at the issues and divisiveness we see right now in setting up a new government. Tories, Labour, the Irish political parties and the reasonable Northern Irish who dont want to return to violence all agree that a hard border risks the peace up there. There is a considerable number of people in NI that DO want a hard border. Lots of people say "Nobody wants a hard border" just as people say "Nobody supports the terrorists". Both statements are incorrect. Just look at the recent election to see how many voted for terrorists. Hmnn. The only party here that advocated a return to the border of old was the TUV who got less than 30,000 votes across the province. Ian Paisley in his prime could get 29,000 votes in the European elections. The UDA endorsed the DUP in the elections, is that what you mean by voting for terrorists? Of course lets not overlook the close relationship between Dee Stitt and the DUP. What I was actually referring to as parties that support terrorism were both SF and PUP. I don't think the DUP have ever stated supporting a terrorist organisation.SF is obviously linked to the IRA and PUP to the UVF. The PUP haven't existed as a political force since the death of Davy Ervine 10 years ago. The IRA ceased their campaign earlier than this. It was Churchill that said 'jaw-jaw is better than war-war' There's an expression 'never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake' So much of Sinn Fein's electoral success was down to Arlene Foster. She was played like a fish. Her own intransigence led to the splitting of the union " There's also the simple demographic changes which are starting to impact. The breakdown of the population on religious lines in different age groups is fascinating. It's obviously not safe that all protestants are unionists and all catholics are nationalists but it's never going to be far off the mark. The population over the age of 90 is nearly 70% protestant but at school entrance age it's almost a complete swing in the other direction. | |||
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" There is a considerable number of people in NI that DO want a hard border. Lots of people say "Nobody wants a hard border" just as people say "Nobody supports the terrorists". Both statements are incorrect. Just look at the recent election to see how many voted for terrorists." The fact you refer to one side or the other as terrorists says everything about your world view. Your bitter, cynical entrenched views on politics are what hold back Northern Ireland and it will be better off when your generation has no say in politics there any more. Regardless of whether people are unionist, nationalist or neither the next generation doesnt live their days with so much hatred in them that they'd happily throw away a hard fought peace to spite their neighbours. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . The EU access to our territorial waters for fishing is worth a fortune but is never calculated in monetary terms. " This is something which Scottish fishermen can capitalise on from Brexit and Scottish territorial fishing waters can be reclaimed from our exit from the EU. Great for the Scottish economy which will create jobs in Scotland and is worth a fortune to Scotland. Then Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP want to hand it all back to the EU on a plate by rejoining the EU after Brexit.  | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . The EU access to our territorial waters for fishing is worth a fortune but is never calculated in monetary terms. " However I would think that the value of the territorial waters for fishing is immaterial compared to the funding received from the EU. Last time I checked the UK was a net contributor to EU funding and Ireland a net recipient . If the EU were to collapse which is possible the consequences would be devastating for Ireland . | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . The EU access to our territorial waters for fishing is worth a fortune but is never calculated in monetary terms. However I would think that the value of the territorial waters for fishing is immaterial compared to the funding received from the EU. Last time I checked the UK was a net contributor to EU funding and Ireland a net recipient . If the EU were to collapse which is possible the consequences would be devastating for Ireland . " Its absolutely no surprise to see you here posting verifiable rubbish. If you have no idea what youre talking about then its ok to say nothing and just read. Ireland is a net contributer to the EU and has been for a few years now. And we're happy to be because a strong EU benefits all of us. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . The EU access to our territorial waters for fishing is worth a fortune but is never calculated in monetary terms. However I would think that the value of the territorial waters for fishing is immaterial compared to the funding received from the EU. Last time I checked the UK was a net contributor to EU funding and Ireland a net recipient . If the EU were to collapse which is possible the consequences would be devastating for Ireland . Its absolutely no surprise to see you here posting verifiable rubbish. If you have no idea what youre talking about then its ok to say nothing and just read. Ireland is a net contributer to the EU and has been for a few years now. And we're happy to be because a strong EU benefits all of us." All of us? It's not benefited the people in Greece very much has it. As you just said though if you have no idea what you're talking about then it's ok to say nothing and just read. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . The EU access to our territorial waters for fishing is worth a fortune but is never calculated in monetary terms. However I would think that the value of the territorial waters for fishing is immaterial compared to the funding received from the EU. Last time I checked the UK was a net contributor to EU funding and Ireland a net recipient . If the EU were to collapse which is possible the consequences would be devastating for Ireland . Its absolutely no surprise to see you here posting verifiable rubbish. If you have no idea what youre talking about then its ok to say nothing and just read. Ireland is a net contributer to the EU and has been for a few years now. And we're happy to be because a strong EU benefits all of us." Ireland was a net beneficiary on the last table that I checked which was a few days ago. If we were to accept that what you say is correct what is the point of paying in more than you get out . That does not make sense to me. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . The EU access to our territorial waters for fishing is worth a fortune but is never calculated in monetary terms. However I would think that the value of the territorial waters for fishing is immaterial compared to the funding received from the EU. Last time I checked the UK was a net contributor to EU funding and Ireland a net recipient . If the EU were to collapse which is possible the consequences would be devastating for Ireland . Its absolutely no surprise to see you here posting verifiable rubbish. If you have no idea what youre talking about then its ok to say nothing and just read. Ireland is a net contributer to the EU and has been for a few years now. And we're happy to be because a strong EU benefits all of us." I have just checked all the contributions by country from 2006 to 2014 and cannot find a single year where Ireland is classed as a net contributor . I have even checked the signs . | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . The EU access to our territorial waters for fishing is worth a fortune but is never calculated in monetary terms. However I would think that the value of the territorial waters for fishing is immaterial compared to the funding received from the EU. Last time I checked the UK was a net contributor to EU funding and Ireland a net recipient . If the EU were to collapse which is possible the consequences would be devastating for Ireland . Its absolutely no surprise to see you here posting verifiable rubbish. If you have no idea what youre talking about then its ok to say nothing and just read. Ireland is a net contributer to the EU and has been for a few years now. And we're happy to be because a strong EU benefits all of us. All of us? It's not benefited the people in Greece very much has it. As you just said though if you have no idea what you're talking about then it's ok to say nothing and just read. " Youre assuming that Greece wouldnt have suffered an earlier recession without the EU benefitting them. The reality is that the Greeks financial management was woefull and has been for a long time. Thats why they got in to trouble in the first place. And they could have suffered a harder fall withoutbthe EU. Has austerity hindered their recovery? Yes. Im not saying the EU is perfect, austerity was and is the wrong call. But had the Greeks had their house in order over the last decade with proper tax collection and proper financial management then they wouldnt be in this mess at all. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . The EU access to our territorial waters for fishing is worth a fortune but is never calculated in monetary terms. However I would think that the value of the territorial waters for fishing is immaterial compared to the funding received from the EU. Last time I checked the UK was a net contributor to EU funding and Ireland a net recipient . If the EU were to collapse which is possible the consequences would be devastating for Ireland . Its absolutely no surprise to see you here posting verifiable rubbish. If you have no idea what youre talking about then its ok to say nothing and just read. Ireland is a net contributer to the EU and has been for a few years now. And we're happy to be because a strong EU benefits all of us. Ireland was a net beneficiary on the last table that I checked which was a few days ago. If we were to accept that what you say is correct what is the point of paying in more than you get out . That does not make sense to me. " Ireland was a net contributer in 2014 and 2015 and 2016. Of course it doesnt make sense to you because you dont understand the EU or what it does. Membership of the single market gives us a financial benefit that far outweighs the cost of contributing. It increases our exports and our imports. This increases our employment which goes hand in hand with reducing our social spending. Even if we operated with a trading deficit, the economic activity, employment and tax revenue all add hugely to our countries wealth. The EU also contributes to long term value projects in every EU country. Projects which in many cases would never be done. For instance every dollar/euro/pound spent on infrastructure benefits the economy by an average of €/£/$16. This is due to the wages, raw materials, tax, decreased social spending and the fact these projects spend money with other local companies. Despite this infrastructure is often neglected by governments. Just look at the US. The EU pushes governments to look at long term value to the country and the economy instead of politicians just looking to their next election campaign. You look at the net contributions or the trade deficit and you think you've been dealt a bad hand. But you ignore the fact that its not that simple and that how money is spent changes the value of that money to the economy. If you give Richard Branson £30,000 it goes in the pile because that small amount of moneyisnt going to effect his decision making. You give that to a school to add a classroom and you've employed builders, painters, carpenters, electricians. You've increased the sales at the local hardware and building supplies place, an accountant has to do extra hours for the extra work, the local sandwich shop has extra business. The local office supply company will have more sales, and the building company will have made an extra sale. And you get all that VAT and income and corporation tax as well. And you have maybe a dozen people who wouldnt be working and on benefits who arent adding to the burden of welfare. And at the end of it youve got a nice new classroom that will mean students get a better education for the next 30 years. If you look solely at contributions and receipts and trade deficit or surplus youre missing 60% of the story. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . The EU access to our territorial waters for fishing is worth a fortune but is never calculated in monetary terms. However I would think that the value of the territorial waters for fishing is immaterial compared to the funding received from the EU. Last time I checked the UK was a net contributor to EU funding and Ireland a net recipient . If the EU were to collapse which is possible the consequences would be devastating for Ireland . Its absolutely no surprise to see you here posting verifiable rubbish. If you have no idea what youre talking about then its ok to say nothing and just read. Ireland is a net contributer to the EU and has been for a few years now. And we're happy to be because a strong EU benefits all of us. Ireland was a net beneficiary on the last table that I checked which was a few days ago. If we were to accept that what you say is correct what is the point of paying in more than you get out . That does not make sense to me. Ireland was a net contributer in 2014 and 2015 and 2016. Of course it doesnt make sense to you because you dont understand the EU or what it does. Membership of the single market gives us a financial benefit that far outweighs the cost of contributing. It increases our exports and our imports. This increases our employment which goes hand in hand with reducing our social spending. Even if we operated with a trading deficit, the economic activity, employment and tax revenue all add hugely to our countries wealth. The EU also contributes to long term value projects in every EU country. Projects which in many cases would never be done. For instance every dollar/euro/pound spent on infrastructure benefits the economy by an average of €/£/$16. This is due to the wages, raw materials, tax, decreased social spending and the fact these projects spend money with other local companies. Despite this infrastructure is often neglected by governments. Just look at the US. The EU pushes governments to look at long term value to the country and the economy instead of politicians just looking to their next election campaign. You look at the net contributions or the trade deficit and you think you've been dealt a bad hand. But you ignore the fact that its not that simple and that how money is spent changes the value of that money to the economy. If you give Richard Branson £30,000 it goes in the pile because that small amount of moneyisnt going to effect his decision making. You give that to a school to add a classroom and you've employed builders, painters, carpenters, electricians. You've increased the sales at the local hardware and building supplies place, an accountant has to do extra hours for the extra work, the local sandwich shop has extra business. The local office supply company will have more sales, and the building company will have made an extra sale. And you get all that VAT and income and corporation tax as well. And you have maybe a dozen people who wouldnt be working and on benefits who arent adding to the burden of welfare. And at the end of it youve got a nice new classroom that will mean students get a better education for the next 30 years. If you look solely at contributions and receipts and trade deficit or surplus youre missing 60% of the story." Brilliant post. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . The EU access to our territorial waters for fishing is worth a fortune but is never calculated in monetary terms. However I would think that the value of the territorial waters for fishing is immaterial compared to the funding received from the EU. Last time I checked the UK was a net contributor to EU funding and Ireland a net recipient . If the EU were to collapse which is possible the consequences would be devastating for Ireland . Its absolutely no surprise to see you here posting verifiable rubbish. If you have no idea what youre talking about then its ok to say nothing and just read. Ireland is a net contributer to the EU and has been for a few years now. And we're happy to be because a strong EU benefits all of us. Ireland was a net beneficiary on the last table that I checked which was a few days ago. If we were to accept that what you say is correct what is the point of paying in more than you get out . That does not make sense to me. Ireland was a net contributer in 2014 and 2015 and 2016. Of course it doesnt make sense to you because you dont understand the EU or what it does. Membership of the single market gives us a financial benefit that far outweighs the cost of contributing. It increases our exports and our imports. This increases our employment which goes hand in hand with reducing our social spending. Even if we operated with a trading deficit, the economic activity, employment and tax revenue all add hugely to our countries wealth. The EU also contributes to long term value projects in every EU country. Projects which in many cases would never be done. For instance every dollar/euro/pound spent on infrastructure benefits the economy by an average of €/£/$16. This is due to the wages, raw materials, tax, decreased social spending and the fact these projects spend money with other local companies. Despite this infrastructure is often neglected by governments. Just look at the US. The EU pushes governments to look at long term value to the country and the economy instead of politicians just looking to their next election campaign. You look at the net contributions or the trade deficit and you think you've been dealt a bad hand. But you ignore the fact that its not that simple and that how money is spent changes the value of that money to the economy. If you give Richard Branson £30,000 it goes in the pile because that small amount of moneyisnt going to effect his decision making. You give that to a school to add a classroom and you've employed builders, painters, carpenters, electricians. You've increased the sales at the local hardware and building supplies place, an accountant has to do extra hours for the extra work, the local sandwich shop has extra business. The local office supply company will have more sales, and the building company will have made an extra sale. And you get all that VAT and income and corporation tax as well. And you have maybe a dozen people who wouldnt be working and on benefits who arent adding to the burden of welfare. And at the end of it youve got a nice new classroom that will mean students get a better education for the next 30 years. If you look solely at contributions and receipts and trade deficit or surplus youre missing 60% of the story." If I interpret this post correctly , you are simply saying that Ireland gets grants from the EU and spends the money on the infrastructure . If this is the case it is difficult to see how it can be of any possible benefit . We may as well have just made our own decisions on how to spend the cash in the first place as opposed to recycling it through a third party . The only countries to benefit from the EU are those who receive back more than they pay in , of which there are quite a few . | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . The EU access to our territorial waters for fishing is worth a fortune but is never calculated in monetary terms. However I would think that the value of the territorial waters for fishing is immaterial compared to the funding received from the EU. Last time I checked the UK was a net contributor to EU funding and Ireland a net recipient . If the EU were to collapse which is possible the consequences would be devastating for Ireland . Its absolutely no surprise to see you here posting verifiable rubbish. If you have no idea what youre talking about then its ok to say nothing and just read. Ireland is a net contributer to the EU and has been for a few years now. And we're happy to be because a strong EU benefits all of us. I have just checked all the contributions by country from 2006 to 2014 and cannot find a single year where Ireland is classed as a net contributor . I have even checked the signs . " From 2014 onwards Ireland has been a net contributor to the EU. In the greater scheme of things the amounts aren't massive but we are putting in more than we are receiving. | |||
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"England could hust secede from the UK and the EU and everyone will be happier then. There'll be no hard border with Northern Ireland. Scotland can stay in the EU and finally not be ruled by the English. Best of all worlds. Just one slight problem with this . How would it all be funded as Ireland receives a lot more EU money than it pays in. It is hardly surprising that Ireland voted to remain as a net recipient of funds . I do not see many residents of NI wanting to lose the current funding received from the UK. The economic consequences would be disastrous . The same of course applies to Scotland . The EU access to our territorial waters for fishing is worth a fortune but is never calculated in monetary terms. However I would think that the value of the territorial waters for fishing is immaterial compared to the funding received from the EU. Last time I checked the UK was a net contributor to EU funding and Ireland a net recipient . If the EU were to collapse which is possible the consequences would be devastating for Ireland . Its absolutely no surprise to see you here posting verifiable rubbish. If you have no idea what youre talking about then its ok to say nothing and just read. Ireland is a net contributer to the EU and has been for a few years now. And we're happy to be because a strong EU benefits all of us. I have just checked all the contributions by country from 2006 to 2014 and cannot find a single year where Ireland is classed as a net contributor . I have even checked the signs . From 2014 onwards Ireland has been a net contributor to the EU. In the greater scheme of things the amounts aren't massive but we are putting in more than we are receiving. " Thanks for the information . I assume that you mean 2015 and 2016 . The last data that I could see was up to 2014 where it was a net recipient . | |||
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"Why not have independent Northern Ireland ? " Hi. I think that the NI economy would collapse if there was independence . It is inevitable that manufacturing costs are higher in NI Ireland as it is a small country and goods have to be shipped accross the Irish Sea. This may be partly balanced out by lower labour costs . | |||
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"Why not have independent Northern Ireland ? " Seriously? Because its totally uneconomically unviable. Northern Ireland was created as what was known as protestant state for a protestant people. Gerrymandering was using in addition to removing 3 counties of ulster to create a unionist majority. Its been an economic black hole for the UK for generations. An independent NI was floated as an idea by a UDA spinoff in the mid 70's. The idea is just a non starter. Thats why the recent elections were so significant. Its the first time since 1921 there hasn't been unionist majority in NI. | |||
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"Why not have independent Northern Ireland ? " They cant fund themselves, their economies been built around the situation with Britain providing a lot for them. To suddenly try and build that infrastructure of government and services would cost a ton of money. And independence doesnt really suit the wishes of either side. | |||
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