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"Alternative refugees? Are they the ones that pop home for a month, every now and again?" Haha, the ones that never hit the papers or the ones that didn't have much backlash. Bad title. | |||
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"Alternative refugees? Are they the ones that pop home for a month, every now and again? Haha, the ones that never hit the papers or the ones that didn't have much backlash. Bad title." Polish and Czech warriors who fought the Nazis and Soviets 1945-50 Hungarian warriors who fought the Soviets 1956 Ugandan Asians 1972 (probably the most successful of the lot e.g. Patak Foods started in a kitchen) Polish (Solidarity) intellectuals 1980 (after martial law was declared) | |||
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"Don't forget Yogoslavia , Albania. Then came Somalia. Soon after Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, Yemen. Have I missed anymore?" Yes, plenty! I'm not going to name them all. My mum taught English to vietnamese boat people who were refugees way back when. | |||
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"I dont think anything has changed in reality, most people today still welcome refugees just like they did back then. The problem is sort of that grey area about whos a refugee? And then this comes on top of the largest immigration (EU) in history one thats already changed the entire of the country (better or worse is just your point of view) but its changed massively in just 10-15 years and we all know nobody likes change, its just not in the human psyche, where it goes from here is anybodys guess but mine is it will go wrong fast, it wasnt that long ago that the welsh used to burn English holiday homes, I dont think we got past that mentally we just financialised a solution where we contented people with money so I dont think its just racism as the Welsh didnt like white English either "I think you are correct to question 'what is a refugee?' Many people seem to confuse refugees with economic migrants. Economic migrants should not get any right to asylum. Also international law states that refugees must claim asylum in the first safe country they enter, many of the so called refugees in Europe have not done this,they have passed through several safe European countries without claiming asylum. The so called refugees in the jungle camp in calais could very easily claim asylum in France, France is a safe country! It was also revealed by the government last week that only 10 in 750 kids taken from Calais were from Syria. Many of them had come from safe countries like Pakistan. You are not a refugee is you have come from a safe country such as Pakistan. | |||
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"I dont think anything has changed in reality, most people today still welcome refugees just like they did back then. The problem is sort of that grey area about whos a refugee? And then this comes on top of the largest immigration (EU) in history one thats already changed the entire of the country (better or worse is just your point of view) but its changed massively in just 10-15 years and we all know nobody likes change, its just not in the human psyche, where it goes from here is anybodys guess but mine is it will go wrong fast, it wasnt that long ago that the welsh used to burn English holiday homes, I dont think we got past that mentally we just financialised a solution where we contented people with money so I dont think its just racism as the Welsh didnt like white English either
I think you are correct to question 'what is a refugee?' Many people seem to confuse refugees with economic migrants. Economic migrants should not get any right to asylum. Also international law states that refugees must claim asylum in the first safe country they enter, many of the so called refugees in Europe have not done this,they have passed through several safe European countries without claiming asylum. The so called refugees in the jungle camp in calais could very easily claim asylum in France, France is a safe country!
It was also revealed by the government last week that only 10 in 750 kids taken from Calais were from Syria. Many of them had come from safe countries like Pakistan. You are not a refugee is you have come from a safe country such as Pakistan. "So it's the confusion causing it? You can claim asylum from. Your own country. My father claimed asylum to many countries. He was in prison in Chile at the time. Britain granted him that. | |||
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"I dont think anything has changed in reality, most people today still welcome refugees just like they did back then. The problem is sort of that grey area about whos a refugee? And then this comes on top of the largest immigration (EU) in history one thats already changed the entire of the country (better or worse is just your point of view) but its changed massively in just 10-15 years and we all know nobody likes change, its just not in the human psyche, where it goes from here is anybodys guess but mine is it will go wrong fast, it wasnt that long ago that the welsh used to burn English holiday homes, I dont think we got past that mentally we just financialised a solution where we contented people with money so I dont think its just racism as the Welsh didnt like white English either
I think you are correct to question 'what is a refugee?' Many people seem to confuse refugees with economic migrants. Economic migrants should not get any right to asylum. Also international law states that refugees must claim asylum in the first safe country they enter, many of the so called refugees in Europe have not done this,they have passed through several safe European countries without claiming asylum. The so called refugees in the jungle camp in calais could very easily claim asylum in France, France is a safe country!
It was also revealed by the government last week that only 10 in 750 kids taken from Calais were from Syria. Many of them had come from safe countries like Pakistan. You are not a refugee is you have come from a safe country such as Pakistan. "How many refugees should the UK take directly from war zones ?.How many Syrian kids and mothers would be acceptable number today? Or should we take none and fund the millions in tents in the border countries.? Or is not our problem? | |||
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"Why is it the people who are most upset by the issue are least likely to understand the vocabulary? " It seems to be people like you who want to throw the doors open to every Tom, Dick and Harry who don't understand the vocabulary. You often lump Refugees and economic migrants into the same category.  | |||
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"I dont think anything has changed in reality, most people today still welcome refugees just like they did back then. The problem is sort of that grey area about whos a refugee? And then this comes on top of the largest immigration (EU) in history one thats already changed the entire of the country (better or worse is just your point of view) but its changed massively in just 10-15 years and we all know nobody likes change, its just not in the human psyche, where it goes from here is anybodys guess but mine is it will go wrong fast, it wasnt that long ago that the welsh used to burn English holiday homes, I dont think we got past that mentally we just financialised a solution where we contented people with money so I dont think its just racism as the Welsh didnt like white English either
I think you are correct to question 'what is a refugee?' Many people seem to confuse refugees with economic migrants. Economic migrants should not get any right to asylum. Also international law states that refugees must claim asylum in the first safe country they enter, many of the so called refugees in Europe have not done this,they have passed through several safe European countries without claiming asylum. The so called refugees in the jungle camp in calais could very easily claim asylum in France, France is a safe country!
It was also revealed by the government last week that only 10 in 750 kids taken from Calais were from Syria. Many of them had come from safe countries like Pakistan. You are not a refugee is you have come from a safe country such as Pakistan. How many refugees should the UK take directly from war zones ?.How many Syrian kids and mothers would be acceptable number today?
Or should we take none and fund the millions in tents in the border countries.? Or is not our problem?"The uk government have said they will take 20,000 Syrian refugees (selected who are most in need) direct from the camps in the region over a 5 year period and this has already started with many being settled here. This is the correct approach to this because it cuts off the people smugglers business, if other countries in the EU had followed our example there would not be as many people smugglers around. Combined with this the UK has the highest funding of any individual country in the EU for humanitarian aid for the camps in the region. Plus the UK took many hundreds of children direct from the jungle camp in calais before it was shut down by French authorities. Putting all that together the UK can be proud of its contribution and I feel the UK has already done more than enough, we have certainly done a lot more than many other countries to help these people. | |||
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"I dont think anything has changed in reality, most people today still welcome refugees just like they did back then. The problem is sort of that grey area about whos a refugee? And then this comes on top of the largest immigration (EU) in history one thats already changed the entire of the country (better or worse is just your point of view) but its changed massively in just 10-15 years and we all know nobody likes change, its just not in the human psyche, where it goes from here is anybodys guess but mine is it will go wrong fast, it wasnt that long ago that the welsh used to burn English holiday homes, I dont think we got past that mentally we just financialised a solution where we contented people with money so I dont think its just racism as the Welsh didnt like white English either ". Haha, yes we still hate English immigrants to, the English changed the entire culture of the Welsh when they emigrate here in droves. 1 or 2 is fine but more than that and you get problems | |||
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"Why is it the people who are most upset by the issue are least likely to understand the vocabulary? It seems to be people like you who want to throw the doors open to every Tom, Dick and Harry who don't understand the vocabulary. You often lump Refugees and economic migrants into the same category. " you make me laugh Centaur  | |||
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"Are Alternative Refugees a load of Emo and Grunge fans escaping the scourge of banal pop in their home country?" Skinny jeans is a prerequisite | |||
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"I want to open up about the refugees threads lately. I mentioned in the past I was a son of a refugee. Sometimes the harsh comments about them from some posters hurt me. Maybe I'm defensive. But I'm not Muslim, I'm white , almost, and I'm Catholic. There was no outrage or hatred when my family arrived here. In fact, the majority were welcoming in fact. Why did we leave? Chilean dictator Pinochet. A military coup to overthrow a Marxist government with free health and education and nationalization of services. The US backed military coup bombed the presidential palace, president assassinated or committed suicide (unknown to this day). Names were called out on the radio on who were dangerous. My father, a teacher, being named went into hiding. Finally caught, arrested, tortured for information while my mother pregnant. After 3 years of torture, the UK sponsored his asylum and he was exiled for 20 years. I was born years after. But I'm proud to be British and proud of British people because of the help received in the 70s. So what's changed? Why were Chilean refugee or Latin American refugees acceptable? Not to shut people down but to understand. It was the main reason I avoided the politics forum, but mixedbcouple helped me come back. So what's the difference now than back then?" My family years ago where also refugees,they came at the beginning of the last century.I am 2nd generation British,well English and proud to be so. The difference is that when my Grandfather came here there was plenty of work,he had to work as there was no social security,they arrived penniless. There was no fear of terrorism at the time so they where welcomed with open arms. It is different now because of over population in the UK and fear of terrorism,also the social services including the national health cost us money if they use them and they do. When my family arrived there was no help of this nature and I remember being sick as a young boy and my granddad saying that I should not moan as when he was ill at my age he still had to work or he would have been out in the streets begging. He earned the right to be British as did my father by hard work and where respected in my local community. Yet I do not see this attitude in migrants and refugees of today,if they want to be welcomed here they must change there atitudes and earn the right to be British,not to use are systems and live as outsiders,when in Rome do as the Romans do a very true saying | |||
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"I want to open up about the refugees threads lately. I mentioned in the past I was a son of a refugee. Sometimes the harsh comments about them from some posters hurt me. Maybe I'm defensive. But I'm not Muslim, I'm white , almost, and I'm Catholic. There was no outrage or hatred when my family arrived here. In fact, the majority were welcoming in fact. Why did we leave? Chilean dictator Pinochet. A military coup to overthrow a Marxist government with free health and education and nationalization of services. The US backed military coup bombed the presidential palace, president assassinated or committed suicide (unknown to this day). Names were called out on the radio on who were dangerous. My father, a teacher, being named went into hiding. Finally caught, arrested, tortured for information while my mother pregnant. After 3 years of torture, the UK sponsored his asylum and he was exiled for 20 years. I was born years after. But I'm proud to be British and proud of British people because of the help received in the 70s. So what's changed? Why were Chilean refugee or Latin American refugees acceptable? Not to shut people down but to understand. It was the main reason I avoided the politics forum, but mixedbcouple helped me come back. So what's the difference now than back then?My family years ago where also refugees,they came at the beginning of the last century.I am 2nd generation British,well English and proud to be so. The difference is that when my Grandfather came here there was plenty of work,he had to work as there was no social security,they arrived penniless. There was no fear of terrorism at the time so they where welcomed with open arms. It is different now because of over population in the UK and fear of terrorism,also the social services including the national health cost us money if they use them and they do. When my family arrived there was no help of this nature and I remember being sick as a young boy and my granddad saying that I should not moan as when he was ill at my age he still had to work or he would have been out in the streets begging. He earned the right to be British as did my father by hard work and where respected in my local community. Yet I do not see this attitude in migrants and refugees of today,if they want to be welcomed here they must change there atitudes and earn the right to be British,not to use are systems and live as outsiders,when in Rome do as the Romans do a very true saying " | |||
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"I dont think anything has changed in reality, most people today still welcome refugees just like they did back then. The problem is sort of that grey area about whos a refugee? And then this comes on top of the largest immigration (EU) in history one thats already changed the entire of the country (better or worse is just your point of view) but its changed massively in just 10-15 years and we all know nobody likes change, its just not in the human psyche, where it goes from here is anybodys guess but mine is it will go wrong fast, it wasnt that long ago that the welsh used to burn English holiday homes, I dont think we got past that mentally we just financialised a solution where we contented people with money so I dont think its just racism as the Welsh didnt like white English either .
Haha, yes we still hate English immigrants to, the English changed the entire culture of the Welsh when they emigrate here in droves.
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"I dont think anything has changed in reality, most people today still welcome refugees just like they did back then. The problem is sort of that grey area about whos a refugee? And then this comes on top of the largest immigration (EU) in history one thats already changed the entire of the country (better or worse is just your point of view) but its changed massively in just 10-15 years and we all know nobody likes change, its just not in the human psyche, where it goes from here is anybodys guess but mine is it will go wrong fast, it wasnt that long ago that the welsh used to burn English holiday homes, I dont think we got past that mentally we just financialised a solution where we contented people with money so I dont think its just racism as the Welsh didnt like white English either .
Haha, yes we still hate English immigrants to, the English changed the entire culture of the Welsh when they emigrate here in droves.
1 or 2 is fine but more than that and you get problems"Ah, a holiday.cottage burner? Not sure why areas of the UK which need tourism, are so anti-English? Enlighten us? | |||
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"I dont think anything has changed in reality, most people today still welcome refugees just like they did back then. The problem is sort of that grey area about whos a refugee? And then this comes on top of the largest immigration (EU) in history one thats already changed the entire of the country (better or worse is just your point of view) but its changed massively in just 10-15 years and we all know nobody likes change, its just not in the human psyche, where it goes from here is anybodys guess but mine is it will go wrong fast, it wasnt that long ago that the welsh used to burn English holiday homes, I dont think we got past that mentally we just financialised a solution where we contented people with money so I dont think its just racism as the Welsh didnt like white English either .
Haha, yes we still hate English immigrants to, the English changed the entire culture of the Welsh when they emigrate here in droves.
1 or 2 is fine but more than that and you get problems
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Not sure why areas of the UK which need tourism, are so anti-English? Enlighten us?". We dont mind tourism, tourism you go home after. Angelsey is over run with English holiday homes and retirees, now you cant buy a home where you were born and raised for generations, English is now the predominant language and culturally were being eradicated  | |||
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"I want to open up about the refugees threads lately. I mentioned in the past I was a son of a refugee. Sometimes the harsh comments about them from some posters hurt me. Maybe I'm defensive. But I'm not Muslim, I'm white , almost, and I'm Catholic. There was no outrage or hatred when my family arrived here. In fact, the majority were welcoming in fact. Why did we leave? Chilean dictator Pinochet. A military coup to overthrow a Marxist government with free health and education and nationalization of services. The US backed military coup bombed the presidential palace, president assassinated or committed suicide (unknown to this day). Names were called out on the radio on who were dangerous. My father, a teacher, being named went into hiding. Finally caught, arrested, tortured for information while my mother pregnant. After 3 years of torture, the UK sponsored his asylum and he was exiled for 20 years. I was born years after. But I'm proud to be British and proud of British people because of the help received in the 70s. So what's changed? Why were Chilean refugee or Latin American refugees acceptable? Not to shut people down but to understand. It was the main reason I avoided the politics forum, but mixedbcouple helped me come back. So what's the difference now than back then?My family years ago where also refugees,they came at the beginning of the last century.I am 2nd generation British,well English and proud to be so. The difference is that when my Grandfather came here there was plenty of work,he had to work as there was no social security,they arrived penniless. There was no fear of terrorism at the time so they where welcomed with open arms. It is different now because of over population in the UK and fear of terrorism,also the social services including the national health cost us money if they use them and they do. When my family arrived there was no help of this nature and I remember being sick as a young boy and my granddad saying that I should not moan as when he was ill at my age he still had to work or he would have been out in the streets begging. He earned the right to be British as did my father by hard work and where respected in my local community. Yet I do not see this attitude in migrants and refugees of today,if they want to be welcomed here they must change there atitudes and earn the right to be British,not to use are systems and live as outsiders,when in Rome do as the Romans do a very true saying "Do either you the poster, or you with the thumbs know any recent refugees to the UK? | |||
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"I want to open up about the refugees threads lately. I mentioned in the past I was a son of a refugee. Sometimes the harsh comments about them from some posters hurt me. Maybe I'm defensive. But I'm not Muslim, I'm white , almost, and I'm Catholic. There was no outrage or hatred when my family arrived here. In fact, the majority were welcoming in fact. Why did we leave? Chilean dictator Pinochet. A military coup to overthrow a Marxist government with free health and education and nationalization of services. The US backed military coup bombed the presidential palace, president assassinated or committed suicide (unknown to this day). Names were called out on the radio on who were dangerous. My father, a teacher, being named went into hiding. Finally caught, arrested, tortured for information while my mother pregnant. After 3 years of torture, the UK sponsored his asylum and he was exiled for 20 years. I was born years after. But I'm proud to be British and proud of British people because of the help received in the 70s. So what's changed? Why were Chilean refugee or Latin American refugees acceptable? Not to shut people down but to understand. It was the main reason I avoided the politics forum, but mixedbcouple helped me come back. So what's the difference now than back then?" It's simple The Islamic sponsored terrorism delivered by the children and those who have been welcomd to the UK and the west in general. A drive by medieval sky God followers to introduce sharia law. Lack of integration, demands for special treatment, and generally turning huge areas of the UK in to open shite holes | |||
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"Alternative refugees? Are they the ones that pop home for a month, every now and again?" How can they pop home to the state that they were driven from by fear and intimidation or did they simply make it all up, why are they mostly young men why aren't the mothers fleeing with their children | |||
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"I want to open up about the refugees threads lately. I mentioned in the past I was a son of a refugee. Sometimes the harsh comments about them from some posters hurt me. Maybe I'm defensive. But I'm not Muslim, I'm white , almost, and I'm Catholic. There was no outrage or hatred when my family arrived here. In fact, the majority were welcoming in fact. Why did we leave? Chilean dictator Pinochet. A military coup to overthrow a Marxist government with free health and education and nationalization of services. The US backed military coup bombed the presidential palace, president assassinated or committed suicide (unknown to this day). Names were called out on the radio on who were dangerous. My father, a teacher, being named went into hiding. Finally caught, arrested, tortured for information while my mother pregnant. After 3 years of torture, the UK sponsored his asylum and he was exiled for 20 years. I was born years after. But I'm proud to be British and proud of British people because of the help received in the 70s. So what's changed? Why were Chilean refugee or Latin American refugees acceptable? Not to shut people down but to understand. It was the main reason I avoided the politics forum, but mixedbcouple helped me come back. So what's the difference now than back then? It's simple The Islamic sponsored terrorism delivered by the children and those who have been welcomd to the UK and the west in general. A drive by medieval sky God followers to introduce sharia law. Lack of integration, demands for special treatment, and generally turning huge areas of the UK in to open shite holes" Why do you equate refugee with Muslim? | |||
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"I want to open up about the refugees threads lately. I mentioned in the past I was a son of a refugee. Sometimes the harsh comments about them from some posters hurt me. Maybe I'm defensive. But I'm not Muslim, I'm white , almost, and I'm Catholic. There was no outrage or hatred when my family arrived here. In fact, the majority were welcoming in fact. Why did we leave? Chilean dictator Pinochet. A military coup to overthrow a Marxist government with free health and education and nationalization of services. The US backed military coup bombed the presidential palace, president assassinated or committed suicide (unknown to this day). Names were called out on the radio on who were dangerous. My father, a teacher, being named went into hiding. Finally caught, arrested, tortured for information while my mother pregnant. After 3 years of torture, the UK sponsored his asylum and he was exiled for 20 years. I was born years after. But I'm proud to be British and proud of British people because of the help received in the 70s. So what's changed? Why were Chilean refugee or Latin American refugees acceptable? Not to shut people down but to understand. It was the main reason I avoided the politics forum, but mixedbcouple helped me come back. So what's the difference now than back then? It's simple The Islamic sponsored terrorism delivered by the children and those who have been welcomd to the UK and the west in general. A drive by medieval sky God followers to introduce sharia law. Lack of integration, demands for special treatment, and generally turning huge areas of the UK in to open shite holes" My father's country worship a middle eastern guy. They labelled all that opposed the government terrorists. No integration opportunities and we were put in a shite hole. He studied hard and became a CEO after many years. What's funny it's the liberal lefties who fled many of the countries came and madea name of themselves. The righties or the extreme right are the ones you fear who come and drain the system. OK not totally true but in the refugee communities I was a part of were. | |||
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"I want to open up about the refugees threads lately. I mentioned in the past I was a son of a refugee. Sometimes the harsh comments about them from some posters hurt me. Maybe I'm defensive. But I'm not Muslim, I'm white , almost, and I'm Catholic. There was no outrage or hatred when my family arrived here. In fact, the majority were welcoming in fact. Why did we leave? Chilean dictator Pinochet. A military coup to overthrow a Marxist government with free health and education and nationalization of services. The US backed military coup bombed the presidential palace, president assassinated or committed suicide (unknown to this day). Names were called out on the radio on who were dangerous. My father, a teacher, being named went into hiding. Finally caught, arrested, tortured for information while my mother pregnant. After 3 years of torture, the UK sponsored his asylum and he was exiled for 20 years. I was born years after. But I'm proud to be British and proud of British people because of the help received in the 70s. So what's changed? Why were Chilean refugee or Latin American refugees acceptable? Not to shut people down but to understand. It was the main reason I avoided the politics forum, but mixedbcouple helped me come back. So what's the difference now than back then? It's simple The Islamic sponsored terrorism delivered by the children and those who have been welcomd to the UK and the west in general. A drive by medieval sky God followers to introduce sharia law. Lack of integration, demands for special treatment, and generally turning huge areas of the UK in to open shite holes" Wow, where have you guys been hiding?? | |||
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"Alternative refugees? Are they the ones that pop home for a month, every now and again? How can they pop home to the state that they were driven from by fear and intimidation or did they simply make it all up, why are they mostly young men why aren't the mothers fleeing with their children "Some are exciled. My father was banned for 20 years until the 90s. Those who returned to fight in the 80s disappeared. And most were men since they were leaders that opposed the military. Not sure how the asylum process differs from family to single people. | |||
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"I want to open up about the refugees threads lately. I mentioned in the past I was a son of a refugee. Sometimes the harsh comments about them from some posters hurt me. Maybe I'm defensive. But I'm not Muslim, I'm white , almost, and I'm Catholic. There was no outrage or hatred when my family arrived here. In fact, the majority were welcoming in fact. Why did we leave? Chilean dictator Pinochet. A military coup to overthrow a Marxist government with free health and education and nationalization of services. The US backed military coup bombed the presidential palace, president assassinated or committed suicide (unknown to this day). Names were called out on the radio on who were dangerous. My father, a teacher, being named went into hiding. Finally caught, arrested, tortured for information while my mother pregnant. After 3 years of torture, the UK sponsored his asylum and he was exiled for 20 years. I was born years after. But I'm proud to be British and proud of British people because of the help received in the 70s. So what's changed? Why were Chilean refugee or Latin American refugees acceptable? Not to shut people down but to understand. It was the main reason I avoided the politics forum, but mixedbcouple helped me come back. So what's the difference now than back then?My family years ago where also refugees,they came at the beginning of the last century.I am 2nd generation British,well English and proud to be so. The difference is that when my Grandfather came here there was plenty of work,he had to work as there was no social security,they arrived penniless. There was no fear of terrorism at the time so they where welcomed with open arms. It is different now because of over population in the UK and fear of terrorism,also the social services including the national health cost us money if they use them and they do. When my family arrived there was no help of this nature and I remember being sick as a young boy and my granddad saying that I should not moan as when he was ill at my age he still had to work or he would have been out in the streets begging. He earned the right to be British as did my father by hard work and where respected in my local community. Yet I do not see this attitude in migrants and refugees of today,if they want to be welcomed here they must change there atitudes and earn the right to be British,not to use are systems and live as outsiders,when in Rome do as the Romans do a very true saying
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"I want to open up about the refugees threads lately. I mentioned in the past I was a son of a refugee. Sometimes the harsh comments about them from some posters hurt me. Maybe I'm defensive. But I'm not Muslim, I'm white , almost, and I'm Catholic. There was no outrage or hatred when my family arrived here. In fact, the majority were welcoming in fact. Why did we leave? Chilean dictator Pinochet. A military coup to overthrow a Marxist government with free health and education and nationalization of services. The US backed military coup bombed the presidential palace, president assassinated or committed suicide (unknown to this day). Names were called out on the radio on who were dangerous. My father, a teacher, being named went into hiding. Finally caught, arrested, tortured for information while my mother pregnant. After 3 years of torture, the UK sponsored his asylum and he was exiled for 20 years. I was born years after. But I'm proud to be British and proud of British people because of the help received in the 70s. So what's changed? Why were Chilean refugee or Latin American refugees acceptable? Not to shut people down but to understand. It was the main reason I avoided the politics forum, but mixedbcouple helped me come back. So what's the difference now than back then?My family years ago where also refugees,they came at the beginning of the last century.I am 2nd generation British,well English and proud to be so. The difference is that when my Grandfather came here there was plenty of work,he had to work as there was no social security,they arrived penniless. There was no fear of terrorism at the time so they where welcomed with open arms. It is different now because of over population in the UK and fear of terrorism,also the social services including the national health cost us money if they use them and they do. When my family arrived there was no help of this nature and I remember being sick as a young boy and my granddad saying that I should not moan as when he was ill at my age he still had to work or he would have been out in the streets begging. He earned the right to be British as did my father by hard work and where respected in my local community. Yet I do not see this attitude in migrants and refugees of today,if they want to be welcomed here they must change there atitudes and earn the right to be British,not to use are systems and live as outsiders,when in Rome do as the Romans do a very true saying
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That would be interesting to know. I grew up in communities of refugees. My father worked closely with them too."I know lots of refugees and their families .... I am not one of those who is bad mouthing them, maybe because I know and work with them | |||
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"I want to open up about the refugees threads lately. I mentioned in the past I was a son of a refugee. Sometimes the harsh comments about them from some posters hurt me. Maybe I'm defensive. But I'm not Muslim, I'm white , almost, and I'm Catholic. There was no outrage or hatred when my family arrived here. In fact, the majority were welcoming in fact. Why did we leave? Chilean dictator Pinochet. A military coup to overthrow a Marxist government with free health and education and nationalization of services. The US backed military coup bombed the presidential palace, president assassinated or committed suicide (unknown to this day). Names were called out on the radio on who were dangerous. My father, a teacher, being named went into hiding. Finally caught, arrested, tortured for information while my mother pregnant. After 3 years of torture, the UK sponsored his asylum and he was exiled for 20 years. I was born years after. But I'm proud to be British and proud of British people because of the help received in the 70s. So what's changed? Why were Chilean refugee or Latin American refugees acceptable? Not to shut people down but to understand. It was the main reason I avoided the politics forum, but mixedbcouple helped me come back. So what's the difference now than back then?My family years ago where also refugees,they came at the beginning of the last century.I am 2nd generation British,well English and proud to be so. The difference is that when my Grandfather came here there was plenty of work,he had to work as there was no social security,they arrived penniless. There was no fear of terrorism at the time so they where welcomed with open arms. It is different now because of over population in the UK and fear of terrorism,also the social services including the national health cost us money if they use them and they do. When my family arrived there was no help of this nature and I remember being sick as a young boy and my granddad saying that I should not moan as when he was ill at my age he still had to work or he would have been out in the streets begging. He earned the right to be British as did my father by hard work and where respected in my local community. Yet I do not see this attitude in migrants and refugees of today,if they want to be welcomed here they must change there atitudes and earn the right to be British,not to use are systems and live as outsiders,when in Rome do as the Romans do a very true saying
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That would be interesting to know. I grew up in communities of refugees. My father worked closely with them too.
I know lots of refugees and their families .... I am not one of those who is bad mouthing them, maybe because I know and work with them"from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? " The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. | |||
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"I want to open up about the refugees threads lately. I mentioned in the past I was a son of a refugee. Sometimes the harsh comments about them from some posters hurt me. Maybe I'm defensive. But I'm not Muslim, I'm white , almost, and I'm Catholic. There was no outrage or hatred when my family arrived here. In fact, the majority were welcoming in fact. Why did we leave? Chilean dictator Pinochet. A military coup to overthrow a Marxist government with free health and education and nationalization of services. The US backed military coup bombed the presidential palace, president assassinated or committed suicide (unknown to this day). Names were called out on the radio on who were dangerous. My father, a teacher, being named went into hiding. Finally caught, arrested, tortured for information while my mother pregnant. After 3 years of torture, the UK sponsored his asylum and he was exiled for 20 years. I was born years after. But I'm proud to be British and proud of British people because of the help received in the 70s. So what's changed? Why were Chilean refugee or Latin American refugees acceptable? Not to shut people down but to understand. It was the main reason I avoided the politics forum, but mixedbcouple helped me come back. So what's the difference now than back then?My family years ago where also refugees,they came at the beginning of the last century.I am 2nd generation British,well English and proud to be so. The difference is that when my Grandfather came here there was plenty of work,he had to work as there was no social security,they arrived penniless. There was no fear of terrorism at the time so they where welcomed with open arms. It is different now because of over population in the UK and fear of terrorism,also the social services including the national health cost us money if they use them and they do. When my family arrived there was no help of this nature and I remember being sick as a young boy and my granddad saying that I should not moan as when he was ill at my age he still had to work or he would have been out in the streets begging. He earned the right to be British as did my father by hard work and where respected in my local community. Yet I do not see this attitude in migrants and refugees of today,if they want to be welcomed here they must change there atitudes and earn the right to be British,not to use are systems and live as outsiders,when in Rome do as the Romans do a very true saying
Do either you the poster, or you with the thumbs know any recent refugees to the UK?
That would be interesting to know. I grew up in communities of refugees. My father worked closely with them too.
I know lots of refugees and their families .... I am not one of those who is bad mouthing them, maybe because I know and work with them
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. integration is very important, sadly some foreigners have issues integrating as some have very conservative views of the world. But I also sadly see not enough efforts from the government in promoting integration, would you agree? " Agree and disagree. There may be funding but not all schools can support this. Also it's the neighborhood too. My parents stayed with other south americans. It's a group to help each other integrate. Same as expats in Europe. Meet ups are big among us in Europe. | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely" Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. integration is very important, sadly some foreigners have issues integrating as some have very conservative views of the world. But I also sadly see not enough efforts from the government in promoting integration, would you agree? Agree and disagree. There may be funding but not all schools can support this. Also it's the neighborhood too. My parents stayed with other south americans. It's a group to help each other integrate. Same as expats in Europe. Meet ups are big among us in Europe." you obviously integrated well, therefore you are an example of how a refugee family can turn into English tax payers which is good for the system. I believe if government promotes integration no matter what, the benefits will be great to say the least. But we have xenophobic trend atm, which makes integration unpopular. | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. integration is very important, sadly some foreigners have issues integrating as some have very conservative views of the world. But I also sadly see not enough efforts from the government in promoting integration, would you agree? Agree and disagree. There may be funding but not all schools can support this. Also it's the neighborhood too. My parents stayed with other south americans. It's a group to help each other integrate. Same as expats in Europe. Meet ups are big among us in Europe. you obviously integrated well, therefore you are an example of how a refugee family can turn into English tax payers which is good for the system. I believe if government promotes integration no matter what, the benefits will be great to say the least. But we have xenophobic trend atm, which makes integration unpopular." Plus there is a misrepresentation. We're a minority of the ethnic minorities. So we're bundled together with immigrants, new generations of immigrants or anyone who looks foreign in the papers. No wonder there is xenophobia. I left the UK because I didn't belong as British, even though I feel it and know I am. Here is the Netherlands I'm British and Chilean and happy not to be Dutch. A mutual agreement | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your weine of work ... surely" l hope someone like you becomes prime minister. That way you can live to see the 3rd world cess pit that Britain will become. There are people starving in our culture...natives starving and you want to take in economic migrants instead of them (once someone leaves the danger zone, they are no longer refugees but asylum seekers at best or economic migrants at worst). | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your weine of work ... surely l hope someone like you becomes prime minister. That way you can live to see the 3rd world cess pit that Britain will become. There are people starving in our culture...natives starving and you want to take in economic migrants instead of them (once someone leaves the danger zone, they are no longer refugees but asylum seekers at best or economic migrants at worst)." Become? I think it has been for a while. People ignore it or look at the average and ignore the weakest part. Just to correct you cobalt. You seek asylum in the country you're in or escape into the next country you can get to. Refugee is a status when your application is accepted. That is how the UK government sees it. | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your weine of work ... surely l hope someone like you becomes prime minister. That way you can live to see the 3rd world cess pit that Britain will become. There are people starving in our culture...natives starving and you want to take in economic migrants instead of them (once someone leaves the danger zone, they are no longer refugees but asylum seekers at best or economic migrants at worst). Become? I think it has been for a while. People ignore it or look at the average and ignore the weakest part. Just to correct you cobalt. You seek asylum in the country you're in or escape into the next country you can get to. Refugee is a status when your application is accepted. That is how the UK government sees it." how long it normally last to be accepted as refugee in the uk? It must be a tedious process full of interviews and paperwork. Once you are accepted as refugee, are you entitled to work/study? | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your weine of work ... surely l hope someone like you becomes prime minister. That way you can live to see the 3rd world cess pit that Britain will become. There are people starving in our culture...natives starving and you want to take in economic migrants instead of them (once someone leaves the danger zone, they are no longer refugees but asylum seekers at best or economic migrants at worst). Become? I think it has been for a while. People ignore it or look at the average and ignore the weakest part. Just to correct you cobalt. You seek asylum in the country you're in or escape into the next country you can get to. Refugee is a status when your application is accepted. That is how the UK government sees it. how long it normally last to be accepted as refugee in the uk? It must be a tedious process full of interviews and paperwork. Once you are accepted as refugee, are you entitled to work/study? " My father has a placement for study. He also worked 3 jobs to pay for living with a family. My mum did too. Worked for the NHS. Not sure if that is the case too. | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your weine of work ... surely l hope someone like you becomes prime minister. That way you can live to see the 3rd world cess pit that Britain will become. There are people starving in our culture...natives starving and you want to take in economic migrants instead of them (once someone leaves the danger zone, they are no longer refugees but asylum seekers at best or economic migrants at worst). Become? I think it has been for a while. People ignore it or look at the average and ignore the weakest part. Just to correct you cobalt. You seek asylum in the country you're in or escape into the next country you can get to. Refugee is a status when your application is accepted. That is how the UK government sees it. how long it normally last to be accepted as refugee in the uk? It must be a tedious process full of interviews and paperwork. Once you are accepted as refugee, are you entitled to work/study? " There are two different routes to refugee status in the UK, one is get here and claim asylum. You are then classed as an "asylum seeker", you get around £35 a week to live on, you can't work, you can't volunteer etc while you are awaiting for your claim to be assessed. If you claim is approved you are granted refugee status and you are free to work etc however your ability to travel internationally is curtailed and you are not allowed to return to the country you claimed asylum from, after around 7 years you are allowed to apply for british citizenship and then you have the same rights as other citizens. If your claim for asylum is declined, then you are deported. The other route is where you leave your country of origin (1st country) and flee to a 2nd country, think of a Syrian person crossing the border into Turkey. You may then be assessed by the UN (UNHCR) and granted refugee status and live in a refugee camp. Then a 3rd country, like the US, UK, Norway etc. will say to the UN and the 2nd country, we will take X number of refugees from there. They then travel to the 3rd country and have refugee status already (see above) and can then follow the citizenship pathway in time. The 3rd country will have representatives in the 2nd country to assess which citizens they will take, they will be interviewed, given language and cultural training, medical screening etc. In the case of the US all of this, and the cost of the flight to the US, is recorded and the refugee has to pay it all back once they are working. The asylum route is used more by individuals facing persecution in their home country, for example political persecution or LGBT persecution in their country of origin that doesn't affect everyone. The UNHCR route is more used by large groups fleeing for example war or natural disasters. Not everyone in a refugee camp will go to a 3rd country, only a small proportion will. Some will eventually return to their 1st country, some live in the camp for the rest of their lives. It's important to remember that refugee communities are not static, they continue to be human, fall in love get married and have children. Those children are then born in the camp and have severely limited options, these camps can last for decades and people can be in their 30s and 40s and have never left their camp. | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your weine of work ... surely l hope someone like you becomes prime minister. That way you can live to see the 3rd world cess pit that Britain will become. There are people starving in our culture...natives starving and you want to take in economic migrants instead of them (once someone leaves the danger zone, they are no longer refugees but asylum seekers at best or economic migrants at worst). Become? I think it has been for a while. People ignore it or look at the average and ignore the weakest part. Just to correct you cobalt. You seek asylum in the country you're in or escape into the next country you can get to. Refugee is a status when your application is accepted. That is how the UK government sees it. how long it normally last to be accepted as refugee in the uk? It must be a tedious process full of interviews and paperwork. Once you are accepted as refugee, are you entitled to work/study? There are two different routes to refugee status in the UK, one is get here and claim asylum. You are then classed as an "asylum seeker", you get around £35 a week to live on, you can't work, you can't volunteer etc while you are awaiting for your claim to be assessed. If you claim is approved you are granted refugee status and you are free to work etc however your ability to travel internationally is curtailed and you are not allowed to return to the country you claimed asylum from, after around 7 years you are allowed to apply for british citizenship and then you have the same rights as other citizens. If your claim for asylum is declined, then you are deported. The other route is where you leave your country of origin (1st country) and flee to a 2nd country, think of a Syrian person crossing the border into Turkey. You may then be assessed by the UN (UNHCR) and granted refugee status and live in a refugee camp. Then a 3rd country, like the US, UK, Norway etc. will say to the UN and the 2nd country, we will take X number of refugees from there. They then travel to the 3rd country and have refugee status already (see above) and can then follow the citizenship pathway in time. The 3rd country will have representatives in the 2nd country to assess which citizens they will take, they will be interviewed, given language and cultural training, medical screening etc. In the case of the US all of this, and the cost of the flight to the US, is recorded and the refugee has to pay it all back once they are working. The asylum route is used more by individuals facing persecution in their home country, for example political persecution or LGBT persecution in their country of origin that doesn't affect everyone. The UNHCR route is more used by large groups fleeing for example war or natural disasters. Not everyone in a refugee camp will go to a 3rd country, only a small proportion will. Some will eventually return to their 1st country, some live in the camp for the rest of their lives. It's important to remember that refugee communities are not static, they continue to be human, fall in love get married and have children. Those children are then born in the camp and have severely limited options, these camps can last for decades and people can be in their 30s and 40s and have never left their camp. " Your answers show to anyone being a refugee is a choice an individual/family takes to survive. There is nothing appealing in leaving your cozy place in the world, best case scenario with a bag containing belongings they manage to keep after a horrific weeks/months/years journey, to end up if lucky like an alien in a completely different place. The unusual flux of migration we now have in Europe reminds me of european refugees escaping to Africa and South America during WW2. The German government is now concentrating efforts to promote integration, at the same time populist/nationalist parties are exploiting peoples anxieties/ignorance to destroy a project (EU) envisioned decades ago by the likes of Chamberlain and Churchill. | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have." I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses " How many total are there? | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there?" I would like to know this too, because those I have met are not living off the taxpayer any more than a number of other people. How much of your taxes support them? What percentage? And what percentage goes on other things, things that you use? | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there?" Come out for a day or 2 as spec houses up for a free boiler under the Ecodeal scheme, we can log them as we go along | |||
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"I saw a stat around 100,000. So seeing hundreds and knowing their refugee status makes the comment above a bit unbelievable. My father worked with refugees and probably met 100s. Someone who doesn't may struggle to meet them. My father worked his whole life and paid tax. Housing associations moved to private housing because of lack of social housing. " Well done and respect to your dad for his efforts, others could learn from him | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? I would like to know this too, because those I have met are not living off the taxpayer any more than a number of other people. How much of your taxes support them? What percentage? And what percentage goes on other things, things that you use?" I don't care what the percentage is, and how does any of the UK tax which is sucked up by supporting immigration of any benefit to the UK?. Unless of course you work in the sector which supports it, like legal aid supported solicitors | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Come out for a day or 2 as spec houses up for a free boiler under the Ecodeal scheme, we can log them as we go along" Well, as I work full time, this is not going to happen. A bit scary that they let someone into their houses who would give their personal details away. But how do you know their refugee or immigration status. In my line of work I do, but it is so sensitive it is not something I would disclose to anyone | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there?" Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them" I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them" I can tell that you know very little about middle eastern refugees and I don’t believe that you know 100s of refugees. In what capacity do you know them? Personal, professional? There are 6.6 million IDPs (internally displaced people) still inside Syria, so they haven’t even left the country. There are 4.8 in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, so other middle eastern countries. The UK has agree to take 20,000 refugees from Syria by 2020, but we are nowhere near reaching that amount yet. Refugees make up 0.18% of the UK population, so a very very tiny amount. Lebanon has 20% of its population as refugees. So which country should do more to help, the country with 20% of its population as refugees, or the country with 0.18%? | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol" Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish" You don't use the NHS, haven't had kids in school, haven't used any facilities or services funded or part funded by the taxpayer? How have you lived? | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish" Well what are they? Before you said they were refugees, now you are saying that they are immigrants, but then you say that they are being processed which would make them asylum seekers. That's 3 different things you have mixed up there. | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I can tell that you know very little about middle eastern refugees and I don’t believe that you know 100s of refugees. In what capacity do you know them? Personal, professional? There are 6.6 million IDPs (internally displaced people) still inside Syria, so they haven’t even left the country. There are 4.8 in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, so other middle eastern countries. The UK has agree to take 20,000 refugees from Syria by 2020, but we are nowhere near reaching that amount yet. Refugees make up 0.18% of the UK population, so a very very tiny amount. Lebanon has 20% of its population as refugees. So which country should do more to help, the country with 20% of its population as refugees, or the country with 0.18%?" It's a Muslim generated problem in in a Muslim dominated region, as they say they are all brothers in the eyes of the sky God Mohamed so let the sky God following Middle East look after them. They have plenty of land money and resources dotted around the region so are well placed to absorb this problem | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I can tell that you know very little about middle eastern refugees and I don’t believe that you know 100s of refugees. In what capacity do you know them? Personal, professional? There are 6.6 million IDPs (internally displaced people) still inside Syria, so they haven’t even left the country. There are 4.8 in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, so other middle eastern countries. The UK has agree to take 20,000 refugees from Syria by 2020, but we are nowhere near reaching that amount yet. Refugees make up 0.18% of the UK population, so a very very tiny amount. Lebanon has 20% of its population as refugees. So which country should do more to help, the country with 20% of its population as refugees, or the country with 0.18%? It's a Muslim generated problem in in a Muslim dominated region, as they say they are all brothers in the eyes of the sky God Mohamed so let the sky God following Middle East look after them. They have plenty of land money and resources dotted around the region so are well placed to absorb this problem" There are Muslims here too though, have been for years and years. Are you suggesting everyone goes back to where their ancestors came from? I'm off then .... and so would a lot of us be ... or are you just saying Muslims? What about Sikhs? Hindus? | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish You don't use the NHS, haven't had kids in school, haven't used any facilities or services funded or part funded by the taxpayer? How have you lived? " I've paid in at 40% for most of my life, I have visited the Dr once in 5 years. I broke my ankle 25 years ago and have 1 son for whom I have never had a single benefit, but I did pay £600 a month in maintenance, even though I looked after him myself 50% of the time. So what ever I have had I have more than paid for | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish Well what are they? Before you said they were refugees, now you are saying that they are immigrants, but then you say that they are being processed which would make them asylum seekers. That's 3 different things you have mixed up there. "Asylum seekers non working benefit scrounging immigrants from Eastern Europe.guys jumping out the back of lorries arriving from Calais, what really matters is that the UK should not pick up another regions problem | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I can tell that you know very little about middle eastern refugees and I don’t believe that you know 100s of refugees. In what capacity do you know them? Personal, professional? There are 6.6 million IDPs (internally displaced people) still inside Syria, so they haven’t even left the country. There are 4.8 in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, so other middle eastern countries. The UK has agree to take 20,000 refugees from Syria by 2020, but we are nowhere near reaching that amount yet. Refugees make up 0.18% of the UK population, so a very very tiny amount. Lebanon has 20% of its population as refugees. So which country should do more to help, the country with 20% of its population as refugees, or the country with 0.18%? It's a Muslim generated problem in in a Muslim dominated region, as they say they are all brothers in the eyes of the sky God Mohamed so let the sky God following Middle East look after them. They have plenty of land money and resources dotted around the region so are well placed to absorb this problem There are Muslims here too though, have been for years and years. Are you suggesting everyone goes back to where their ancestors came from? I'm off then .... and so would a lot of us be ... or are you just saying Muslims? What about Sikhs? Hindus? " I've not seen any sikhs or Hindus threating to blow up the UK, I've not seen any of them throw gays of buildings, not seen any of them rioting on the streets of holland or Sweden. And yeah lots have been here for a long time, let them stay but stop importing more problems from a disastrous region | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish You don't use the NHS, haven't had kids in school, haven't used any facilities or services funded or part funded by the taxpayer? How have you lived? I've paid in at 40% for most of my life, I have visited the Dr once in 5 years. I broke my ankle 25 years ago and have 1 son for whom I have never had a single benefit, but I did pay £600 a month in maintenance, even though I looked after him myself 50% of the time. So what ever I have had I have more than paid for" Sure your compassion extraction surgery wasn't cheap, did you get that done on the NHS? | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish You don't use the NHS, haven't had kids in school, haven't used any facilities or services funded or part funded by the taxpayer? How have you lived? I've paid in at 40% for most of my life, I have visited the Dr once in 5 years. I broke my ankle 25 years ago and have 1 son for whom I have never had a single benefit, but I did pay £600 a month in maintenance, even though I looked after him myself 50% of the time. So what ever I have had I have more than paid for" I take it your son didn't go to school or the doctor then either? | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I can tell that you know very little about middle eastern refugees and I don’t believe that you know 100s of refugees. In what capacity do you know them? Personal, professional? There are 6.6 million IDPs (internally displaced people) still inside Syria, so they haven’t even left the country. There are 4.8 in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, so other middle eastern countries. The UK has agree to take 20,000 refugees from Syria by 2020, but we are nowhere near reaching that amount yet. Refugees make up 0.18% of the UK population, so a very very tiny amount. Lebanon has 20% of its population as refugees. So which country should do more to help, the country with 20% of its population as refugees, or the country with 0.18%? It's a Muslim generated problem in in a Muslim dominated region, as they say they are all brothers in the eyes of the sky God Mohamed so let the sky God following Middle East look after them. They have plenty of land money and resources dotted around the region so are well placed to absorb this problem There are Muslims here too though, have been for years and years. Are you suggesting everyone goes back to where their ancestors came from? I'm off then .... and so would a lot of us be ... or are you just saying Muslims? What about Sikhs? Hindus? I've not seen any sikhs or Hindus threating to blow up the UK, I've not seen any of them throw gays of buildings, not seen any of them rioting on the streets of holland or Sweden. And yeah lots have been here for a long time, let them stay but stop importing more problems from a disastrous region" But have you seen each and every Muslim doing this? Are all Catholics like the IRA were? | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish You don't use the NHS, haven't had kids in school, haven't used any facilities or services funded or part funded by the taxpayer? How have you lived? I've paid in at 40% for most of my life, I have visited the Dr once in 5 years. I broke my ankle 25 years ago and have 1 son for whom I have never had a single benefit, but I did pay £600 a month in maintenance, even though I looked after him myself 50% of the time. So what ever I have had I have more than paid for Sure your compassion extraction surgery wasn't cheap, did you get that done on the NHS? " Yep I did, and I had insurance for it commonly called NI contributions | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I can tell that you know very little about middle eastern refugees and I don’t believe that you know 100s of refugees. In what capacity do you know them? Personal, professional? There are 6.6 million IDPs (internally displaced people) still inside Syria, so they haven’t even left the country. There are 4.8 in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, so other middle eastern countries. The UK has agree to take 20,000 refugees from Syria by 2020, but we are nowhere near reaching that amount yet. Refugees make up 0.18% of the UK population, so a very very tiny amount. Lebanon has 20% of its population as refugees. So which country should do more to help, the country with 20% of its population as refugees, or the country with 0.18%? It's a Muslim generated problem in in a Muslim dominated region, as they say they are all brothers in the eyes of the sky God Mohamed so let the sky God following Middle East look after them. They have plenty of land money and resources dotted around the region so are well placed to absorb this problem There are Muslims here too though, have been for years and years. Are you suggesting everyone goes back to where their ancestors came from? I'm off then .... and so would a lot of us be ... or are you just saying Muslims? What about Sikhs? Hindus? I've not seen any sikhs or Hindus threating to blow up the UK, I've not seen any of them throw gays of buildings, not seen any of them rioting on the streets of holland or Sweden. And yeah lots have been here for a long time, let them stay but stop importing more problems from a disastrous region But have you seen each and every Muslim doing this? Are all Catholics like the IRA were?" I wouldn't trust a catholic priest as far as could spit, as far as I am concerned the Catholic Church should be prosecuted for institutionalised abuse of children | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish You don't use the NHS, haven't had kids in school, haven't used any facilities or services funded or part funded by the taxpayer? How have you lived? I've paid in at 40% for most of my life, I have visited the Dr once in 5 years. I broke my ankle 25 years ago and have 1 son for whom I have never had a single benefit, but I did pay £600 a month in maintenance, even though I looked after him myself 50% of the time. So what ever I have had I have more than paid for Sure your compassion extraction surgery wasn't cheap, did you get that done on the NHS? Yep I did, and I had insurance for it commonly called NI contributions" Let's hope there are enough young people working to support your social care in your old age .... most care workers are immigrants I here, because they are often more compassionate | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish You don't use the NHS, haven't had kids in school, haven't used any facilities or services funded or part funded by the taxpayer? How have you lived? I've paid in at 40% for most of my life, I have visited the Dr once in 5 years. I broke my ankle 25 years ago and have 1 son for whom I have never had a single benefit, but I did pay £600 a month in maintenance, even though I looked after him myself 50% of the time. So what ever I have had I have more than paid for Sure your compassion extraction surgery wasn't cheap, did you get that done on the NHS? Yep I did, and I had insurance for it commonly called NI contributions" And how did the schooling go? You must have missed the bit about the difference between economic migrants, refugees and asylum seekers right? | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish You don't use the NHS, haven't had kids in school, haven't used any facilities or services funded or part funded by the taxpayer? How have you lived? I've paid in at 40% for most of my life, I have visited the Dr once in 5 years. I broke my ankle 25 years ago and have 1 son for whom I have never had a single benefit, but I did pay £600 a month in maintenance, even though I looked after him myself 50% of the time. So what ever I have had I have more than paid for I take it your son didn't go to school or the doctor then either?" Yep he did, but as I said I paid for his education and will continue to do through the tax that I paid and continue to pay | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish You don't use the NHS, haven't had kids in school, haven't used any facilities or services funded or part funded by the taxpayer? How have you lived? I've paid in at 40% for most of my life, I have visited the Dr once in 5 years. I broke my ankle 25 years ago and have 1 son for whom I have never had a single benefit, but I did pay £600 a month in maintenance, even though I looked after him myself 50% of the time. So what ever I have had I have more than paid for Sure your compassion extraction surgery wasn't cheap, did you get that done on the NHS? Yep I did, and I had insurance for it commonly called NI contributions And how did the schooling go? You must have missed the bit about the difference between economic migrants, refugees and asylum seekers right? " I'm bored now, see ya | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish You don't use the NHS, haven't had kids in school, haven't used any facilities or services funded or part funded by the taxpayer? How have you lived? I've paid in at 40% for most of my life, I have visited the Dr once in 5 years. I broke my ankle 25 years ago and have 1 son for whom I have never had a single benefit, but I did pay £600 a month in maintenance, even though I looked after him myself 50% of the time. So what ever I have had I have more than paid for Sure your compassion extraction surgery wasn't cheap, did you get that done on the NHS? Yep I did, and I had insurance for it commonly called NI contributions And how did the schooling go? You must have missed the bit about the difference between economic migrants, refugees and asylum seekers right? I'm bored now, see ya" Typical | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish You don't use the NHS, haven't had kids in school, haven't used any facilities or services funded or part funded by the taxpayer? How have you lived? I've paid in at 40% for most of my life, I have visited the Dr once in 5 years. I broke my ankle 25 years ago and have 1 son for whom I have never had a single benefit, but I did pay £600 a month in maintenance, even though I looked after him myself 50% of the time. So what ever I have had I have more than paid for I take it your son didn't go to school or the doctor then either? Yep he did, but as I said I paid for his education and will continue to do through the tax that I paid and continue to pay" Young just said you didn't have any government money handed over. Are you serious that you paid even a twentieth of the cost of all the school buildings and resources that he used? That has been paid over years and years by loads of people and you benefited from it loads more than you paid in .... its called the welfare state and you never know when you will need it. It is build on compassion though | |||
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" from your experience with refugees, would you justify them from escaping wherever they come from and finding a home in England? The ones from the 70s 80s and early 90s were. They came from war ridden countries. They had it hard here. No choice on where to live. Had to learn the language to survive. Make money since they arrive with very little. Suffered through depression or ptsd. But they integrated. I haven't met many lately myself. We only accept 5k to 10k refugees a year. We may get more asylum application, but it's so little you're not likely to have met one. I think this depends on where you live and. your line of work ... surely Of course. But the majority of British people have probably not met one or unaware they have. I've met hundreds, living for free of the UK tax payer, would you like the addresses How many total are there? Why do middle eastern refugees not go to non warring middle eastern countries, is it because they wouldn't get the support money and benefits that the UK lavishes on them I think you will find many do. Many also have family already established here. I would hardly say money is lavished, lol Well I've never had any government money handed over to me in the last 40 years, so yeah free money housing gas and electric which immigrants get whilst awaiting processing is lavish You don't use the NHS, haven't had kids in school, haven't used any facilities or services funded or part funded by the taxpayer? How have you lived? I've paid in at 40% for most of my life, I have visited the Dr once in 5 years. I broke my ankle 25 years ago and have 1 son for whom I have never had a single benefit, but I did pay £600 a month in maintenance, even though I looked after him myself 50% of the time. So what ever I have had I have more than paid for Sure your compassion extraction surgery wasn't cheap, did you get that done on the NHS? Yep I did, and I had insurance for it commonly called NI contributions And how did the schooling go? You must have missed the bit about the difference between economic migrants, refugees and asylum seekers right? I'm bored now, see ya Typical " Short attention span, explains a lot. | |||
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" I'm bored now, see ya Typical Short attention span, explains a lot." Just ignore it. Moorland is the subject of the thread. Why now are they seen differently. I guess it's ignorance. Jumped from claiming to know 100s of refugees which my father didn't and he was a support worker for them. To mixing the definitions of them. Jumping to Muslims generalisation. So moorland if you read this. Why is are refugees badly represented now compared to the 70s. I assume you lived in the 70s. | |||
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"Moorland also told me not to meddle into Brexit. Not realising I was British and elegible to vote. " Mate you have no idea which country you want to work or live in And I never professed to a a support worker for refugees, although I often support and help excellent charities like SOGB | |||
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"Moorland also told me not to meddle into Brexit. Not realising I was British and elegible to vote. Mate you have no idea which country you want to work or live in And I never professed to a a support worker for refugees, although I often support and help excellent charities like SOGB" I know where I work and live. It's called globalisation. You mistaken me on your second point. | |||
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" I'm bored now, see ya Typical Short attention span, explains a lot. Just ignore it. Moorland is the subject of the thread. Why now are they seen differently. I guess it's ignorance. Jumped from claiming to know 100s of refugees which my father didn't and he was a support worker for them. To mixing the definitions of them. Jumping to Muslims generalisation. So moorland if you read this. Why is are refugees badly represented now compared to the 70s. I assume you lived in the 70s." Yeah, you're right, and it is complete ignorance, they dont even understand the vocabulary, so how can they have an informed understanding of the subject at hand. | |||
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