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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass." I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit?" I know! Talk about double standards! It's perfectly ok to tell Scots about the dangers of independence and the potential of losing their biggest market (England) whist at the same time delighted to be pulling the UK out of it's single biggest market. Unbelievable. Is she actually trying to promote the cause of independence? | |||
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"Let's not forget the "proud, shared history"....invading and plundering a good portion of the world, colonisation, slavery, originators of concentration camps, numerous massacres, ethnic cleansing, famine neglect, opium trading, widespread use of torture by the army in Aden, Malaya and Kenya. Yes, the British state and its armed forces have a wonderful record. We can acclaim the achievements of notable individuals, but the record of the British state just doesn't bear examination." By joining the EU, an independent Scotland will have access to a 500 million people market; you will also be a citizen in 28 different countries instead of only one. | |||
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"Let's not forget the "proud, shared history"....invading and plundering a good portion of the world, colonisation, slavery, originators of concentration camps, numerous massacres, ethnic cleansing, famine neglect, opium trading, widespread use of torture by the army in Aden, Malaya and Kenya. Yes, the British state and its armed forces have a wonderful record. We can acclaim the achievements of notable individuals, but the record of the British state just doesn't bear examination." Funny, when I mentioned this a while ago, I was told by some of the right wing nutters in here that Christian nations are peaceful and moral and it's brown people who are responsible for atrocities. This is interchangeable with "Oh, it's in the past, why do people keep moaning about it, it's nothing to do with us now"... | |||
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"Let's not forget the "proud, shared history"....invading and plundering a good portion of the world, colonisation, slavery, originators of concentration camps, numerous massacres, ethnic cleansing, famine neglect, opium trading, widespread use of torture by the army in Aden, Malaya and Kenya. Yes, the British state and its armed forces have a wonderful record. We can acclaim the achievements of notable individuals, but the record of the British state just doesn't bear examination. Funny, when I mentioned this a while ago, I was told by some of the right wing nutters in here that Christian nations are peaceful and moral and it's brown people who are responsible for atrocities. This is interchangeable with "Oh, it's in the past, why do people keep moaning about it, it's nothing to do with us now"..." Listen, it's quite simple, the good people are good, and the bad people are bad  | |||
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"Let's not forget the "proud, shared history"....invading and plundering a good portion of the world, colonisation, slavery, originators of concentration camps, numerous massacres, ethnic cleansing, famine neglect, opium trading, widespread use of torture by the army in Aden, Malaya and Kenya. Yes, the British state and its armed forces have a wonderful record. We can acclaim the achievements of notable individuals, but the record of the British state just doesn't bear examination. By joining the EU, an independent Scotland will have access to a 500 million people market; you will also be a citizen in 28 different countries instead of only one. " You wouldn't qualify. And which bank and currency would you use? | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit?" Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms "really so triggering A50 is not pulling out of the EU? | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms really so triggering A50 is not pulling out of the EU?"yes it is. And it is leaving the single market. But the EU will remain our biggest market | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms really so triggering A50 is not pulling out of the EU?
yes it is. And it is leaving the single market. But the EU will remain our biggest market"That's half true: Uk wont have tariff free access to the European market. By the way: The EU is not YOUR market but rather A market the UK will try to somehow have access to, after triggering article 50. | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms really so triggering A50 is not pulling out of the EU?
yes it is. And it is leaving the single market. But the EU will remain our biggest market
That's half true: Uk wont have tariff free access to the European market. By the way: The EU is not YOUR market but rather A market the UK will try to somehow have access to, after triggering article 50. "who doesn't have access to it? And already an alliance of influential MEP's are urging the leaders of the other 27 countries and the Commission to negotiate a comprehensive preferential trade deal with the UK as soon as possible | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms really so triggering A50 is not pulling out of the EU?
yes it is. And it is leaving the single market. But the EU will remain our biggest market
That's half true: Uk wont have tariff free access to the European market. By the way: The EU is not YOUR market but rather A market the UK will try to somehow have access to, after triggering article 50.
who doesn't have access to it?
And already an alliance of influential MEP's are urging the leaders of the other 27 countries and the Commission to negotiate a comprehensive preferential trade deal with the UK as soon as possible "I have a feeling they are gona get told something like off and fuck...you Brexiters say it all the time the EU is protectionist that means protectig it's members which the UK will no longer be.. it's no win for the UK...if the EU takes a hard line then may might as well walk away and if the UK gets a good deal it might tempt other members to leave ..if that happens the EU breaks up then the UK will still have to go negotiate trade deals with independent EU countries | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms "Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out . In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export . The EU would hate to lose our business. | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass." If standards of living dropped because Scotland was unable to fund itself , would Nicola Sturgeon be so popular . Scottish voters deep down are astute and realize that they are dependent on British taxpayer's money. I would not be quite so confident that Nicola Sturgeon would wipe the floor . At least Teressa May lives in real world and is realistic about what can be achieved . | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass." if it makes the Scots have a second referendum and vote leave il be Happy  | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business. "Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK? And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times. -Matt | |||
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" At least Teressa May lives in real world and is realistic about what can be achieved . "It's the way he tells them! | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. if it makes the Scots have a second referendum and vote leave il be Happy "Yorkshireman happiness shocker! | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. if it makes the Scots have a second referendum and vote leave il be Happy
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass." On the other hand the Scottish independence referendum, Also delivered an overwhelming majority. Remain 55% Leave 45% . You appear to believe, that overwhelming majority, Deserves to be given less credence, Than the overwhelming majority, that elected the snp, why is that?? | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms really so triggering A50 is not pulling out of the EU?
yes it is. And it is leaving the single market. But the EU will remain our biggest market
That's half true: Uk wont have tariff free access to the European market. By the way: The EU is not YOUR market but rather A market the UK will try to somehow have access to, after triggering article 50.
who doesn't have access to it?
And already an alliance of influential MEP's are urging the leaders of the other 27 countries and the Commission to negotiate a comprehensive preferential trade deal with the UK as soon as possible I have a feeling they are gona get told something like off and fuck...you Brexiters say it all the time the EU is protectionist that means protectig it's members which the UK will no longer be.. it's no win for the UK...if the EU takes a hard line then may might as well walk away and if the UK gets a good deal it might tempt other members to leave ..if that happens the EU breaks up then the UK will still have to go negotiate trade deals with independent EU countries "I have a feeling they won't get told to fuck off. Its in nobodys interest. Do you think the people of Europe who are becoming increasingly Euroskeptic would appreciate the EU giving the UK a bad deal if it affects their jobs and businesses? No, it would just create more bad feeling. And a good deal would tempt others to leave you say? Why, if the EU is such a good thing? Would they be happy with decent trade deals without all the political shit that goes with it you mean? Maybe you've not seen the latest poll in the Netherlands for example where 56% of the people who gave an opinion said they wanted to leave the EU? They believe the EU is holding them back and they are right. It's over | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms really so triggering A50 is not pulling out of the EU?
yes it is. And it is leaving the single market. But the EU will remain our biggest market
That's half true: Uk wont have tariff free access to the European market. By the way: The EU is not YOUR market but rather A market the UK will try to somehow have access to, after triggering article 50.
who doesn't have access to it?
And already an alliance of influential MEP's are urging the leaders of the other 27 countries and the Commission to negotiate a comprehensive preferential trade deal with the UK as soon as possible "Have you noticed you sound as convincing as Liz Truss during her cheese speech?... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n_wkO4hk07o | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt"It would appear that the remainers refuse to accept that Britain holds a winning hand . We buy more from the EU than they do from us . The Europeans realise that which is why they are going to bluff for as long as possible . Can you imagine any politician in Europe behaving like the remain camp in Britain . The pub analogy is a strange one . You simply pay for a drink and that is the end of the issue . If you do not like the service you simply walk out and go elsewhere . In the case of the EU we pay in far more that we get out and are compelled to pay substantially higher energy prices because of it . The good news is that Teressa May will negotiate the best deal possible for use . We are exceptionally lucky to have her as Prime Minster . | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. On the other hand the Scottish independence referendum, Also delivered an overwhelming majority. Remain 55% Leave 45% . You appear to believe, that overwhelming majority, Deserves to be given less credence, Than the overwhelming majority, that elected the snp, why is that?? " Those were my thoughts exactly .  | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass." In a jelly-wrestling contest, my money would be on Theresa... | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future." You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. " The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence. | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence." Look up FCO 30/1048 for advice by the FCO before we joined the EU - this advice was kept classified for 30 years. The document is titled: “Sovereignty and the European Communities” Quite clearly states that the lawmaking powers of the Brussels bureaucracy would lead to “a gross infringement of the sovereignty” of the Westminster Parliament. | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future."  And we all know how accurate opinion polls are .
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt
Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing "I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion. As such the EU is dependent on our businness and will not want to lose it .. | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence." Or or might be that we ( to quote your terminolgy ) treat all foreigners equally but are fed up with paying more in than we get out . Why should we pay more for our power because of EU energy policies ? Why should some drivers be unemployed because of the EU.? You are not allowed to drive either buses or lorries commercially unless you have completed 35 hours initial CPD. ? Despite having licences to drive both lorries and buses I am unable to drive them commercially because of the EU..That is a bizarre situation..The EU have removed my right to drive. | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt
Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion.
As such the EU is dependent on our businness and will not want to lose it .."Yes, but the bit you are failing to understand is that the 'pain' to each side of the deal is relative to the proportion of that deal to their overall economy. Put another way, say you are going to do a deal with a millionaire. And you earn £40,000 per year. This particular deal is going to invoke you making £10,000 profit and the millionaire making £15,000 profit. You think that you have the upper hand as if you walked away from the deal the millionaire would lose more money than you. But that £10,000 is a quarter of your earnings. That £15,000 is only 1.5% of their million pound annual earnings. So who is going to feel that pain more? The party that just lost 1.5% of the earnings? Or the one that lost 25%?. In this analogy you're now only just able to cover your core outgoings. All disposable income has been lost. The millionaire? Well maybe they'll have to make do with the standard paint scheme on their new Ferrari and not the shimmer gloss they wanted. -Matt | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence. Or or might be that we ( to quote your terminolgy ) treat all foreigners equally but are fed up with paying more in than we get out . Why should we pay more for our power because of EU energy policies ? Why should some drivers be unemployed because of the EU.? You are not allowed to drive either buses or lorries commercially unless you have completed 35 hours initial CPD. ? Despite having licences to drive both lorries and buses I am unable to drive them commercially because of the EU..That is a bizarre situation..The EU have removed my right to drive. " Or the EU have helped insure that regardless on where in the EU I travel, if I get on a bus I can be guaranteed that the driver has gone through a minimum level of training. Or that energy companies across the EU have to adhere to a similar level of investment in things like environmental and worker protections. What is the alternative to this you are proposing? That once we pull out of the EU we can get cheaper energy by dropping various safety and environmental measures? Great. Thanks. -Matt | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt
Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion.
As such the EU is dependent on our businness and will not want to lose it ..
Yes, but the bit you are failing to understand is that the 'pain' to each side of the deal is relative to the proportion of that deal to their overall economy.
Put another way, say you are going to do a deal with a millionaire. And you earn £40,000 per year. This particular deal is going to invoke you making £10,000 profit and the millionaire making £15,000 profit. You think that you have the upper hand as if you walked away from the deal the millionaire would lose more money than you. But that £10,000 is a quarter of your earnings. That £15,000 is only 1.5% of their million pound annual earnings. So who is going to feel that pain more? The party that just lost 1.5% of the earnings? Or the one that lost 25%?. In this analogy you're now only just able to cover your core outgoings. All disposable income has been lost. The millionaire? Well maybe they'll have to make do with the standard paint scheme on their new Ferrari and not the shimmer gloss they wanted.
-Matt"In 2015 11% of UK goods were exported to Germany while 15% of German goods were exported to the UK. Work that one out in value and who stands to lose most | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt
Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion.
As such the EU is dependent on our businness and will not want to lose it ..
Yes, but the bit you are failing to understand is that the 'pain' to each side of the deal is relative to the proportion of that deal to their overall economy.
Put another way, say you are going to do a deal with a millionaire. And you earn £40,000 per year. This particular deal is going to invoke you making £10,000 profit and the millionaire making £15,000 profit. You think that you have the upper hand as if you walked away from the deal the millionaire would lose more money than you. But that £10,000 is a quarter of your earnings. That £15,000 is only 1.5% of their million pound annual earnings. So who is going to feel that pain more? The party that just lost 1.5% of the earnings? Or the one that lost 25%?. In this analogy you're now only just able to cover your core outgoings. All disposable income has been lost. The millionaire? Well maybe they'll have to make do with the standard paint scheme on their new Ferrari and not the shimmer gloss they wanted.
-Matt
In 2015 11% of UK goods were exported to Germany while 15% of German goods were exported to the UK. Work that one out in value and who stands to lose most"Ok, great, now we are getting some meaningful numbers! Yes, that would hurt Germany more if we left Germany. However, in leaving we are not just leaving Germany. We are leaving the whole EU. So Germany lose 15% of their free-trade market and we lose 45%. We still lose more. -Matt | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt
Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion.
As such the EU is dependent on our businness and will not want to lose it ..
Yes, but the bit you are failing to understand is that the 'pain' to each side of the deal is relative to the proportion of that deal to their overall economy.
Put another way, say you are going to do a deal with a millionaire. And you earn £40,000 per year. This particular deal is going to invoke you making £10,000 profit and the millionaire making £15,000 profit. You think that you have the upper hand as if you walked away from the deal the millionaire would lose more money than you. But that £10,000 is a quarter of your earnings. That £15,000 is only 1.5% of their million pound annual earnings. So who is going to feel that pain more? The party that just lost 1.5% of the earnings? Or the one that lost 25%?. In this analogy you're now only just able to cover your core outgoings. All disposable income has been lost. The millionaire? Well maybe they'll have to make do with the standard paint scheme on their new Ferrari and not the shimmer gloss they wanted.
-Matt
In 2015 11% of UK goods were exported to Germany while 15% of German goods were exported to the UK. Work that one out in value and who stands to lose most"sorry, that should have read 15% worth of UK imports comes from Germany. But still, work that one out | |||
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"The EU is our biggest market.....fact. We are the EUs biggest market....fact They sell just about double the amount to us as we do to them......fact. Questions. Who would be damaged most by reducing access to each other's markets? " The UK. " Who would it damage more to have tariffs imposed on goods traded? " The UK. -Matt | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt
Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion.
As such the EU is dependent on our business and will not want to lose it .."EU dont want to lose it but EU will have to replace importing tariff free products (cheese and tea, e.g. - kindly google "Liz truss cheese speech") from the uk by increasing its imports from inside the remaining 27 EU countries, since a group of powerful ones in the uk is imposing to go ahead with Brextit, in a Machiavellian way I would add. Then the UK will try somehow to sell their cheese and tea (among other products) to the EU in the same conditions as for instance China, India, Colombia or Argentina. And yes, as posted previously, an independent Scotland will be a sovereign state if they decide to join the EU as referred before: "Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence"... if they don't, they will still be independent and decide for instance how to explore/develop/produce their important hydrocarbon reserves offshore their north sea coast. I believe an independent Scotland would be a rich country inside or outside the EU anyway. | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt
Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion.
As such the EU is dependent on our business and will not want to lose it ..
EU dont want to lose it but EU will have to replace importing tariff free products (cheese and tea, e.g. - kindly google "Liz truss cheese speech") from the uk by increasing its imports from inside the remaining 27 EU countries, since a group of powerful ones in the uk is imposing to go ahead with Brextit, in a Machiavellian way I would add. Then the UK will try somehow to sell their cheese and tea (among other products) to the EU in the same conditions as for instance China, India, Colombia or Argentina. And yes, as posted previously, an independent Scotland will be a sovereign state if they decide to join the EU as referred before: "Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence"... if they don't, they will still be independent and decide for instance how to explore/develop/produce their important hydrocarbon reserves offshore their north sea coast. I believe an independent Scotland would be a rich country inside or outside the EU anyway."I'll ask you again, what currency would Scotland use as an independant nation? | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt
Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion.
As such the EU is dependent on our business and will not want to lose it ..
EU dont want to lose it but EU will have to replace importing tariff free products (cheese and tea, e.g. - kindly google "Liz truss cheese speech") from the uk by increasing its imports from inside the remaining 27 EU countries, since a group of powerful ones in the uk is imposing to go ahead with Brextit, in a Machiavellian way I would add. Then the UK will try somehow to sell their cheese and tea (among other products) to the EU in the same conditions as for instance China, India, Colombia or Argentina. And yes, as posted previously, an independent Scotland will be a sovereign state if they decide to join the EU as referred before: "Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence"... if they don't, they will still be independent and decide for instance how to explore/develop/produce their important hydrocarbon reserves offshore their north sea coast. I believe an independent Scotland would be a rich country inside or outside the EU anyway.
I'll ask you again, what currency would Scotland use as an independant nation?"An independent Scotland would decide on that. | |||
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"The EU is our biggest market.....fact. We are the EUs biggest market....fact They sell just about double the amount to us as we do to them......fact. Questions. Who would be damaged most by reducing access to each other's markets? The UK. Who would it damage more to have tariffs imposed on goods traded? The UK. -Matt" There won't be any tariffs, or they will be next to nothing. And what difference do tariffs make anyway compared to the difference in the value of the pound against the euro? That can vary by 10-20% at any time | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt
Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion.
As such the EU is dependent on our business and will not want to lose it ..
EU dont want to lose it but EU will have to replace importing tariff free products (cheese and tea, e.g. - kindly google "Liz truss cheese speech") from the uk by increasing its imports from inside the remaining 27 EU countries, since a group of powerful ones in the uk is imposing to go ahead with Brextit, in a Machiavellian way I would add. Then the UK will try somehow to sell their cheese and tea (among other products) to the EU in the same conditions as for instance China, India, Colombia or Argentina. And yes, as posted previously, an independent Scotland will be a sovereign state if they decide to join the EU as referred before: "Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence"... if they don't, they will still be independent and decide for instance how to explore/develop/produce their important hydrocarbon reserves offshore their north sea coast. I believe an independent Scotland would be a rich country inside or outside the EU anyway.
I'll ask you again, what currency would Scotland use as an independant nation?
An independent Scotland would decide on that."well where would the money come from and what value would it be? You could no longer use the UK pound | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt
Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion.
As such the EU is dependent on our business and will not want to lose it ..
EU dont want to lose it but EU will have to replace importing tariff free products (cheese and tea, e.g. - kindly google "Liz truss cheese speech") from the uk by increasing its imports from inside the remaining 27 EU countries, since a group of powerful ones in the uk is imposing to go ahead with Brextit, in a Machiavellian way I would add. Then the UK will try somehow to sell their cheese and tea (among other products) to the EU in the same conditions as for instance China, India, Colombia or Argentina. And yes, as posted previously, an independent Scotland will be a sovereign state if they decide to join the EU as referred before: "Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence"... if they don't, they will still be independent and decide for instance how to explore/develop/produce their important hydrocarbon reserves offshore their north sea coast. I believe an independent Scotland would be a rich country inside or outside the EU anyway.
I'll ask you again, what currency would Scotland use as an independant nation?
An independent Scotland would decide on that.
well where would the money come from and what value would it be? You could no longer use the UK pound"There's nothing which the Bank of England or the British government could do to stop Scotland using the pound if she so wished. However i hope they choose the groat or some other ancient Scottish currency. Although monetary union will be in all our interests. | |||
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"The EU is our biggest market.....fact. We are the EUs biggest market....fact They sell just about double the amount to us as we do to them......fact. Questions. Who would be damaged most by reducing access to each other's markets? The UK. Who would it damage more to have tariffs imposed on goods traded? The UK. -Matt There won't be any tariffs, or they will be next to nothing. And what difference do tariffs make anyway compared to the difference in the value of the pound against the euro? That can vary by 10-20% at any time" That's a bit of a crystal ball gaze isn't it? I really don't fancy our odds coming to a trade deal of that kind in 2 years time. Considering even the simplest of trade deals take several years. One that has to be signed off by 27 members? And has to address all our existing arrangements? Very unlikely. -Matt | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt
Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion.
As such the EU is dependent on our business and will not want to lose it ..
EU dont want to lose it but EU will have to replace importing tariff free products (cheese and tea, e.g. - kindly google "Liz truss cheese speech") from the uk by increasing its imports from inside the remaining 27 EU countries, since a group of powerful ones in the uk is imposing to go ahead with Brextit, in a Machiavellian way I would add. Then the UK will try somehow to sell their cheese and tea (among other products) to the EU in the same conditions as for instance China, India, Colombia or Argentina. And yes, as posted previously, an independent Scotland will be a sovereign state if they decide to join the EU as referred before: "Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence"... if they don't, they will still be independent and decide for instance how to explore/develop/produce their important hydrocarbon reserves offshore their north sea coast. I believe an independent Scotland would be a rich country inside or outside the EU anyway.
I'll ask you again, what currency would Scotland use as an independant nation?
An independent Scotland would decide on that.
well where would the money come from and what value would it be? You could no longer use the UK poundThere's nothing which the Bank of England or the British government could do to stop Scotland using the pound if she so wished. However i hope they choose the groat or some other ancient Scottish currency. Although monetary union will be in all our interests. "Labour, Liberals and the Tories have all said they would be against Scotland using the pound and yes they could stop it. And to retain the Bank of England as Scotlands main lender? What kind of Sovereignty/Independance is that? | |||
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"The EU is our biggest market.....fact. We are the EUs biggest market....fact They sell just about double the amount to us as we do to them......fact. Questions. Who would be damaged most by reducing access to each other's markets? The UK. Who would it damage more to have tariffs imposed on goods traded? The UK. -Matt There won't be any tariffs, or they will be next to nothing. And what difference do tariffs make anyway compared to the difference in the value of the pound against the euro? That can vary by 10-20% at any time That's a bit of a crystal ball gaze isn't it? I really don't fancy our odds coming to a trade deal of that kind in 2 years time. Considering even the simplest of trade deals take several years. One that has to be signed off by 27 members? And has to address all our existing arrangements? Very unlikely. -Matt" Maybe. But if we go by WTO tariffs, that is still next to nothing compared to currency fluctuations | |||
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"The EU is our biggest market.....fact. We are the EUs biggest market....fact They sell just about double the amount to us as we do to them......fact. Questions. Who would be damaged most by reducing access to each other's markets? The UK. Who would it damage more to have tariffs imposed on goods traded? The UK. -Matt There won't be any tariffs, or they will be next to nothing. And what difference do tariffs make anyway compared to the difference in the value of the pound against the euro? That can vary by 10-20% at any time That's a bit of a crystal ball gaze isn't it? I really don't fancy our odds coming to a trade deal of that kind in 2 years time. Considering even the simplest of trade deals take several years. One that has to be signed off by 27 members? And has to address all our existing arrangements? Very unlikely. -Matt Maybe. But if we go by WTO tariffs, that is still next to nothing compared to currency fluctuations" Ok. But currency fluctuations..... err.... fluctuate. Ie go up and down. And you could say that despite the fall in pound meaning the U.K. are less likely to buy from Germany, we would likely export more. But tariffs affect both sides from a consumer point of view. (And before you chime in Pat, no they don't cancel out). And tarrifs only go one way. I've still, yet, to find out what happens if we've not negotiated out WTO schedule by the time we leave the EU. -Matt | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt
Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion.
As such the EU is dependent on our business and will not want to lose it ..
EU dont want to lose it but EU will have to replace importing tariff free products (cheese and tea, e.g. - kindly google "Liz truss cheese speech") from the uk by increasing its imports from inside the remaining 27 EU countries, since a group of powerful ones in the uk is imposing to go ahead with Brextit, in a Machiavellian way I would add. Then the UK will try somehow to sell their cheese and tea (among other products) to the EU in the same conditions as for instance China, India, Colombia or Argentina. And yes, as posted previously, an independent Scotland will be a sovereign state if they decide to join the EU as referred before: "Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence"... if they don't, they will still be independent and decide for instance how to explore/develop/produce their important hydrocarbon reserves offshore their north sea coast. I believe an independent Scotland would be a rich country inside or outside the EU anyway.
I'll ask you again, what currency would Scotland use as an independant nation?
An independent Scotland would decide on that.
well where would the money come from and what value would it be? You could no longer use the UK pound"Your question is irrelevant, to say the least. However, it is funny to read you somehow desperate with the idea of Scotland becoming independent but supporting (mostly with cliches you seem to read every morning in the sun) "the independence of uk from Europe", as your sources like to brand it | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
-Matt
Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion.
As such the EU is dependent on our business and will not want to lose it ..
EU dont want to lose it but EU will have to replace importing tariff free products (cheese and tea, e.g. - kindly google "Liz truss cheese speech") from the uk by increasing its imports from inside the remaining 27 EU countries, since a group of powerful ones in the uk is imposing to go ahead with Brextit, in a Machiavellian way I would add. Then the UK will try somehow to sell their cheese and tea (among other products) to the EU in the same conditions as for instance China, India, Colombia or Argentina. And yes, as posted previously, an independent Scotland will be a sovereign state if they decide to join the EU as referred before: "Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence"... if they don't, they will still be independent and decide for instance how to explore/develop/produce their important hydrocarbon reserves offshore their north sea coast. I believe an independent Scotland would be a rich country inside or outside the EU anyway.
I'll ask you again, what currency would Scotland use as an independant nation?
An independent Scotland would decide on that.
well where would the money come from and what value would it be? You could no longer use the UK poundThere's nothing which the Bank of England or the British government could do to stop Scotland using the pound if she so wished. However i hope they choose the groat or some other ancient Scottish currency. Although monetary union will be in all our interests.
Labour, Liberals and the Tories have all said they would be against Scotland using the pound and yes they could stop it. And to retain the Bank of England as Scotlands main lender? What kind of Sovereignty/Independance is that?"Maybe i am wrong but from what ive read they cant stop scotland using the pound.Scottish independence with monetary union is still independence of a sort.Scotland will have limited control over monetary policy as the junior partner in any currency union . | |||
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms Hopefully these new terms will ensure that we do not pay in more than we get out .
In any event the EU is more dependent on us than we are on them so they have no choice but to offer us favourable terms . We currently import more that we export .
The EU would hate to lose our business.
Ohhh... welcome back again Pat... still no grasp of basic figures I see? Still don't understand that about 45% of our exports go to the EU and only about 15% of theirs are to the UK?
And going to the pub must be hell for you, as I bet you always end up giving them more money than they give back to you.... but we've been though all that before... many times.
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Wouldn't 15% of 27 countries exports be a larger quantity than 45% of one countries exports? I'm sorry, numbers, not really my thing I think the answer is yes . We import about 19 m billion per month and export circa £13 billion.
As such the EU is dependent on our business and will not want to lose it ..
EU dont want to lose it but EU will have to replace importing tariff free products (cheese and tea, e.g. - kindly google "Liz truss cheese speech") from the uk by increasing its imports from inside the remaining 27 EU countries, since a group of powerful ones in the uk is imposing to go ahead with Brextit, in a Machiavellian way I would add. Then the UK will try somehow to sell their cheese and tea (among other products) to the EU in the same conditions as for instance China, India, Colombia or Argentina. And yes, as posted previously, an independent Scotland will be a sovereign state if they decide to join the EU as referred before: "Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence"... if they don't, they will still be independent and decide for instance how to explore/develop/produce their important hydrocarbon reserves offshore their north sea coast. I believe an independent Scotland would be a rich country inside or outside the EU anyway.
I'll ask you again, what currency would Scotland use as an independant nation?
An independent Scotland would decide on that.
well where would the money come from and what value would it be? You could no longer use the UK poundThere's nothing which the Bank of England or the British government could do to stop Scotland using the pound if she so wished. However i hope they choose the groat or some other ancient Scottish currency. Although monetary union will be in all our interests.
Labour, Liberals and the Tories have all said they would be against Scotland using the pound and yes they could stop it. And to retain the Bank of England as Scotlands main lender? What kind of Sovereignty/Independance is that?Maybe i am wrong but from what ive read they cant stop scotland using the pound.Scottish independence with monetary union is still independence of a sort.Scotland will have limited control over monetary policy as the junior partner in any currency union ."The thing is if they left the UK with the aim of joining the EU, which they dubiously claim is the reason now, then they would be under the control of the ECB and would have to adopt the Euro | |||
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"The EU is our biggest market.....fact. We are the EUs biggest market....fact They sell just about double the amount to us as we do to them......fact. Questions. Who would be damaged most by reducing access to each other's markets? The UK. Who would it damage more to have tariffs imposed on goods traded? The UK. -Matt There won't be any tariffs, or they will be next to nothing. And what difference do tariffs make anyway compared to the difference in the value of the pound against the euro? That can vary by 10-20% at any time" Some people seem obsessed with tariffs . In any event on a global basis they simply cancel out . What sells a product is the standard of service , quality , and price . I do not think we should spend too much time worrying about tariffs which are only an artificial barrier to trade . | |||
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"The EU is our biggest market.....fact. We are the EUs biggest market....fact They sell just about double the amount to us as we do to them......fact. Questions. Who would be damaged most by reducing access to each other's markets? The UK. Who would it damage more to have tariffs imposed on goods traded? The UK. -Matt There won't be any tariffs, or they will be next to nothing. And what difference do tariffs make anyway compared to the difference in the value of the pound against the euro? That can vary by 10-20% at any time Some people seem obsessed with tariffs . In any event on a global basis they simply cancel out . What sells a product is the standard of service , quality , and price . I do not think we should spend too much time worrying about tariffs which are only an artificial barrier to trade . " Yours is an excellent example of misinforming  | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence. Or or might be that we ( to quote your terminolgy ) treat all foreigners equally but are fed up with paying more in than we get out . Why should we pay more for our power because of EU energy policies ? Why should some drivers be unemployed because of the EU.? You are not allowed to drive either buses or lorries commercially unless you have completed 35 hours initial CPD. ? Despite having licences to drive both lorries and buses I am unable to drive them commercially because of the EU..That is a bizarre situation..The EU have removed my right to drive. Or the EU have helped insure that regardless on where in the EU I travel, if I get on a bus I can be guaranteed that the driver has gone through a minimum level of training. Or that energy companies across the EU have to adhere to a similar level of investment in things like environmental and worker protections. What is the alternative to this you are proposing? That once we pull out of the EU we can get cheaper energy by dropping various safety and environmental measures? Great. Thanks. -Matt" The EU does not guarantee a level of training for drivers . The requirement is simply to attend a course for thirty five hours . You fulfill all the relevant criteria by attendance . You can attend the same course five times , do nothing and still qualify for a CPD card . If you want to assess driving standards you actually need to do a formal assessment of driving . Attending five seven hour courses on customer service hardly improves anyone's standard of driving . I would prefer to rely on the companies own internal assessors , not the opinion of an EU bureaucrat. | |||
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"The EU is our biggest market.....fact. We are the EUs biggest market....fact They sell just about double the amount to us as we do to them......fact. Questions. Who would be damaged most by reducing access to each other's markets? The UK. Who would it damage more to have tariffs imposed on goods traded? The UK. -Matt There won't be any tariffs, or they will be next to nothing. And what difference do tariffs make anyway compared to the difference in the value of the pound against the euro? That can vary by 10-20% at any time That's a bit of a crystal ball gaze isn't it? I really don't fancy our odds coming to a trade deal of that kind in 2 years time. Considering even the simplest of trade deals take several years. One that has to be signed off by 27 members? And has to address all our existing arrangements? Very unlikely. -Matt Maybe. But if we go by WTO tariffs, that is still next to nothing compared to currency fluctuations" you do realise how the wto tariffs work right you can't have one tariff for cars for Germany and another tariff for cars from Japan or China it has to be the same tariff for cars from anywhere on earth...so there's only 2 choices either the tariff is high and no can afford and imported car or is low and you get alot or cars from China and and seeing that labour costs is far cheaper in China it could just flood the market like Chinese steel there will be winners in Brexit won't be the UK or eu tho | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence. Look up FCO 30/1048 for advice by the FCO before we joined the EU - this advice was kept classified for 30 years. The document is titled: “Sovereignty and the European Communities” Quite clearly states that the lawmaking powers of the Brussels bureaucracy would lead to “a gross infringement of the sovereignty” of the Westminster Parliament." Correct and many MP's on all sides of the house of commons who supported Leave in the referendum continued to make the point during the article 50 bill debate that UK sovereignty is being stripped away by the EU while we remain a member. The Remain side admit this when they talk of 'pooled sovereignty with the EU' what they really mean is UK sovereignty being taken away and handed over to the EU. It's obvious UK sovereignty is diminished when the European Court of Justice has supremacy over our own British courts, we can't make our own immigration policies as we are bound by the EU free movement of people rules and many other decisions taken in Brussels override the decisions taken in Westminster. This is not an acceptable situation to the British people and was reflected in the vote to Leave the EU. I'm baffled as to why Scots who want independence for their own country want their sovereignty handed over to the EU on a plate and EU courts will be supreme over Scottish courts, Scotland will be subject to the EU free movement of people rule and many other aspects of EU membership will override the Scottish governments decisions. As Jim Sills said it's a completely illogical position for the SNP leadership to adopt. | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence. Look up FCO 30/1048 for advice by the FCO before we joined the EU - this advice was kept classified for 30 years. The document is titled: “Sovereignty and the European Communities” Quite clearly states that the lawmaking powers of the Brussels bureaucracy would lead to “a gross infringement of the sovereignty” of the Westminster Parliament. Correct and many MP's on all sides of the house of commons who supported Leave in the referendum continued to make the point during the article 50 bill debate that UK sovereignty is being stripped away by the EU while we remain a member. The Remain side admit this when they talk of 'pooled sovereignty with the EU' what they really mean is UK sovereignty being taken away and handed over to the EU. It's obvious UK sovereignty is diminished when the European Court of Justice has supremacy over our own British courts, we can't make our own immigration policies as we are bound by the EU free movement of people rules and many other decisions taken in Brussels override the decisions taken in Westminster. This is not an acceptable situation to the British people and was reflected in the vote to Leave the EU. I'm baffled as to why Scots who want independence for their own country want their sovereignty handed over to the EU on a plate and EU courts will be supreme over Scottish courts, Scotland will be subject to the EU free movement of people rule and many other aspects of EU membership will override the Scottish governments decisions. As Jim Sills said it's a completely illogical position for the SNP leadership to adopt. "But it does keep Ms Sturgen in a job and in the lime light. | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence. Look up FCO 30/1048 for advice by the FCO before we joined the EU - this advice was kept classified for 30 years. The document is titled: “Sovereignty and the European Communities” Quite clearly states that the lawmaking powers of the Brussels bureaucracy would lead to “a gross infringement of the sovereignty” of the Westminster Parliament. Correct and many MP's on all sides of the house of commons who supported Leave in the referendum continued to make the point during the article 50 bill debate that UK sovereignty is being stripped away by the EU while we remain a member. The Remain side admit this when they talk of 'pooled sovereignty with the EU' what they really mean is UK sovereignty being taken away and handed over to the EU. It's obvious UK sovereignty is diminished when the European Court of Justice has supremacy over our own British courts, we can't make our own immigration policies as we are bound by the EU free movement of people rules and many other decisions taken in Brussels override the decisions taken in Westminster. This is not an acceptable situation to the British people and was reflected in the vote to Leave the EU. I'm baffled as to why Scots who want independence for their own country want their sovereignty handed over to the EU on a plate and EU courts will be supreme over Scottish courts, Scotland will be subject to the EU free movement of people rule and many other aspects of EU membership will override the Scottish governments decisions. As Jim Sills said it's a completely illogical position for the SNP leadership to adopt. "I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide. | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence. Look up FCO 30/1048 for advice by the FCO before we joined the EU - this advice was kept classified for 30 years. The document is titled: “Sovereignty and the European Communities” Quite clearly states that the lawmaking powers of the Brussels bureaucracy would lead to “a gross infringement of the sovereignty” of the Westminster Parliament. Correct and many MP's on all sides of the house of commons who supported Leave in the referendum continued to make the point during the article 50 bill debate that UK sovereignty is being stripped away by the EU while we remain a member. The Remain side admit this when they talk of 'pooled sovereignty with the EU' what they really mean is UK sovereignty being taken away and handed over to the EU. It's obvious UK sovereignty is diminished when the European Court of Justice has supremacy over our own British courts, we can't make our own immigration policies as we are bound by the EU free movement of people rules and many other decisions taken in Brussels override the decisions taken in Westminster. This is not an acceptable situation to the British people and was reflected in the vote to Leave the EU. I'm baffled as to why Scots who want independence for their own country want their sovereignty handed over to the EU on a plate and EU courts will be supreme over Scottish courts, Scotland will be subject to the EU free movement of people rule and many other aspects of EU membership will override the Scottish governments decisions. As Jim Sills said it's a completely illogical position for the SNP leadership to adopt.
I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide."Because the idea of being an independent sovereign country in the EU is a fallacy. You want independence for Scotland, great, leave the UK and the EU that's what real independence looks like. | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence. Look up FCO 30/1048 for advice by the FCO before we joined the EU - this advice was kept classified for 30 years. The document is titled: “Sovereignty and the European Communities” Quite clearly states that the lawmaking powers of the Brussels bureaucracy would lead to “a gross infringement of the sovereignty” of the Westminster Parliament. Correct and many MP's on all sides of the house of commons who supported Leave in the referendum continued to make the point during the article 50 bill debate that UK sovereignty is being stripped away by the EU while we remain a member. The Remain side admit this when they talk of 'pooled sovereignty with the EU' what they really mean is UK sovereignty being taken away and handed over to the EU. It's obvious UK sovereignty is diminished when the European Court of Justice has supremacy over our own British courts, we can't make our own immigration policies as we are bound by the EU free movement of people rules and many other decisions taken in Brussels override the decisions taken in Westminster. This is not an acceptable situation to the British people and was reflected in the vote to Leave the EU. I'm baffled as to why Scots who want independence for their own country want their sovereignty handed over to the EU on a plate and EU courts will be supreme over Scottish courts, Scotland will be subject to the EU free movement of people rule and many other aspects of EU membership will override the Scottish governments decisions. As Jim Sills said it's a completely illogical position for the SNP leadership to adopt.
I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide."The results of the EU referendum in Scotland are Remain 1,661,191 Leave 1,018,322 did not vote 1,003,426. Turn-out 67.2% so its almost a third split across the board which means one third of Scots did,nt care one third wanted stay and one third wanted to leave. I could be wrong but I don't think the majority of Scots would rather be members of the EU than members of the UK. | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence. Look up FCO 30/1048 for advice by the FCO before we joined the EU - this advice was kept classified for 30 years. The document is titled: “Sovereignty and the European Communities” Quite clearly states that the lawmaking powers of the Brussels bureaucracy would lead to “a gross infringement of the sovereignty” of the Westminster Parliament. Correct and many MP's on all sides of the house of commons who supported Leave in the referendum continued to make the point during the article 50 bill debate that UK sovereignty is being stripped away by the EU while we remain a member. The Remain side admit this when they talk of 'pooled sovereignty with the EU' what they really mean is UK sovereignty being taken away and handed over to the EU. It's obvious UK sovereignty is diminished when the European Court of Justice has supremacy over our own British courts, we can't make our own immigration policies as we are bound by the EU free movement of people rules and many other decisions taken in Brussels override the decisions taken in Westminster. This is not an acceptable situation to the British people and was reflected in the vote to Leave the EU. I'm baffled as to why Scots who want independence for their own country want their sovereignty handed over to the EU on a plate and EU courts will be supreme over Scottish courts, Scotland will be subject to the EU free movement of people rule and many other aspects of EU membership will override the Scottish governments decisions. As Jim Sills said it's a completely illogical position for the SNP leadership to adopt.
I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide.
Because the idea of being an independent sovereign country in the EU is a fallacy. You want independence for Scotland, great, leave the UK and the EU that's what real independence looks like. "Really? It sounds more like being a loner. | |||
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" I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide." What "abundant hydrocarbon resources" do you speak of? You do know, don't you, that there is barely 2% of the resources left in our sector of the North Sea? The gas/oil being piped ashore now is being mostly imported from Scandinavian waters. Salmonds economics for the first vote was based on $100 + dollars per barrel.....and even then it didn't add up. At current prices an independent Scotland would sink like a stone. But I agree....why are English so keen to keep Scotland united? Answer....not a clue! It makes no sense to the rest of the UK. | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence. Look up FCO 30/1048 for advice by the FCO before we joined the EU - this advice was kept classified for 30 years. The document is titled: “Sovereignty and the European Communities” Quite clearly states that the lawmaking powers of the Brussels bureaucracy would lead to “a gross infringement of the sovereignty” of the Westminster Parliament. Correct and many MP's on all sides of the house of commons who supported Leave in the referendum continued to make the point during the article 50 bill debate that UK sovereignty is being stripped away by the EU while we remain a member. The Remain side admit this when they talk of 'pooled sovereignty with the EU' what they really mean is UK sovereignty being taken away and handed over to the EU. It's obvious UK sovereignty is diminished when the European Court of Justice has supremacy over our own British courts, we can't make our own immigration policies as we are bound by the EU free movement of people rules and many other decisions taken in Brussels override the decisions taken in Westminster. This is not an acceptable situation to the British people and was reflected in the vote to Leave the EU. I'm baffled as to why Scots who want independence for their own country want their sovereignty handed over to the EU on a plate and EU courts will be supreme over Scottish courts, Scotland will be subject to the EU free movement of people rule and many other aspects of EU membership will override the Scottish governments decisions. As Jim Sills said it's a completely illogical position for the SNP leadership to adopt.
I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide.
The results of the EU referendum in Scotland are Remain 1,661,191 Leave 1,018,322 did not vote 1,003,426. Turn-out 67.2% so its almost a third split across the board which means one third of Scots did,nt care one third wanted stay and one third wanted to leave.
I could be wrong but I don't think the majority of Scots would rather be members of the EU than members of the UK. "That's an interesting one you pointed out: In the same referendum, consultative btw: 17M voted leave, 16M voted remain from a 47M Universum; is it the will of people what prevailed in your consultative referendum?... Hope you realized only 1/3 voted to leave. It is not people's mandate but a powerful one's mandate being imposed on the 65M inhabitants... I hope you noticed 17M is 1/4=25% of the total population; I truly love your democracy | |||
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" I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide." I think that it is more to do with The English Mentality. The one that is programmed through colonialist DNA and an unwavering conviction that England is superior, England knows best and we should be "ruling" the world. The departure from the EU is all about the inability of many English to accept that they are equals to other Europeans and the reaction against Scots is because many English just can't accept that you want to leave them when "obviously" English rule is the best thing in the world. You can see this in many posts on here whereby some English can't accept that you might want to be equal partners in a European Union instead of subservient partner in the United Kingdom. Their perception is that the UK has been subservient to the EU and so can't understand why Scotland would want to do something that the obviously superior English have chosen not to do. | |||
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" I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide. I think that it is more to do with The English Mentality. The one that is programmed through colonialist DNA and an unwavering conviction that England is superior, England knows best and we should be "ruling" the world. The departure from the EU is all about the inability of many English to accept that they are equals to other Europeans and the reaction against Scots is because many English just can't accept that you want to leave them when "obviously" English rule is the best thing in the world. You can see this in many posts on here whereby some English can't accept that you might want to be equal partners in a European Union instead of subservient partner in the United Kingdom. Their perception is that the UK has been subservient to the EU and so can't understand why Scotland would want to do something that the obviously superior English have chosen not to do. " Interesting... It sounds as if "united kingdom" is in fact a rebranding of England. Oh well, another reason for Scots to be independent from the UK. | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence. Look up FCO 30/1048 for advice by the FCO before we joined the EU - this advice was kept classified for 30 years. The document is titled: “Sovereignty and the European Communities” Quite clearly states that the lawmaking powers of the Brussels bureaucracy would lead to “a gross infringement of the sovereignty” of the Westminster Parliament. Correct and many MP's on all sides of the house of commons who supported Leave in the referendum continued to make the point during the article 50 bill debate that UK sovereignty is being stripped away by the EU while we remain a member. The Remain side admit this when they talk of 'pooled sovereignty with the EU' what they really mean is UK sovereignty being taken away and handed over to the EU. It's obvious UK sovereignty is diminished when the European Court of Justice has supremacy over our own British courts, we can't make our own immigration policies as we are bound by the EU free movement of people rules and many other decisions taken in Brussels override the decisions taken in Westminster. This is not an acceptable situation to the British people and was reflected in the vote to Leave the EU. I'm baffled as to why Scots who want independence for their own country want their sovereignty handed over to the EU on a plate and EU courts will be supreme over Scottish courts, Scotland will be subject to the EU free movement of people rule and many other aspects of EU membership will override the Scottish governments decisions. As Jim Sills said it's a completely illogical position for the SNP leadership to adopt.
I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide." It might be because most UK citizens would not wish to see Scotland suffer the disastrous consequences of becoming independent . How would the public services be funded ..? | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence. Look up FCO 30/1048 for advice by the FCO before we joined the EU - this advice was kept classified for 30 years. The document is titled: “Sovereignty and the European Communities” Quite clearly states that the lawmaking powers of the Brussels bureaucracy would lead to “a gross infringement of the sovereignty” of the Westminster Parliament. Correct and many MP's on all sides of the house of commons who supported Leave in the referendum continued to make the point during the article 50 bill debate that UK sovereignty is being stripped away by the EU while we remain a member. The Remain side admit this when they talk of 'pooled sovereignty with the EU' what they really mean is UK sovereignty being taken away and handed over to the EU. It's obvious UK sovereignty is diminished when the European Court of Justice has supremacy over our own British courts, we can't make our own immigration policies as we are bound by the EU free movement of people rules and many other decisions taken in Brussels override the decisions taken in Westminster. This is not an acceptable situation to the British people and was reflected in the vote to Leave the EU. I'm baffled as to why Scots who want independence for their own country want their sovereignty handed over to the EU on a plate and EU courts will be supreme over Scottish courts, Scotland will be subject to the EU free movement of people rule and many other aspects of EU membership will override the Scottish governments decisions. As Jim Sills said it's a completely illogical position for the SNP leadership to adopt.
I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide. It might be because most UK citizens would not wish to see Scotland suffer the disastrous consequences of becoming independent . How would the public services be funded ..? "Australia should be an example of the consequences you mentioned: 9th highest per capita income with the second highest human development... Terrible consequences that happened after becoming independent from England, I meant UK! Just wonder what would happen if Scots ask Ozzies how to fund their public services, or if they join the EU... | |||
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. And we all know how accurate opinion polls are .
The only result is the one that matters on the day of the vote .
Scottish voters knew that they could not survive economically on a stand alone basis "So Scotland is unique in being unable to be independent? Come off it! You're having a laugh! Look at the burden of debt racked up by wastemonster - don't hear much about deficit reduction these days, do you - then look at the essential contribution made by Scotland to the UK economy. In the event of Scottish independence, England's finances would be really stretched to breaking point. | |||
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" I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide. I think that it is more to do with The English Mentality. The one that is programmed through colonialist DNA and an unwavering conviction that England is superior, England knows best and we should be "ruling" the world. The departure from the EU is all about the inability of many English to accept that they are equals to other Europeans and the reaction against Scots is because many English just can't accept that you want to leave them when "obviously" English rule is the best thing in the world. You can see this in many posts on here whereby some English can't accept that you might want to be equal partners in a European Union instead of subservient partner in the United Kingdom. Their perception is that the UK has been subservient to the EU and so can't understand why Scotland would want to do something that the obviously superior English have chosen not to do. " For your insight and empathy, and your lack of English arrogance, you must qualify as honorary Scot! | |||
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" I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide. What "abundant hydrocarbon resources" do you speak of? You do know, don't you, that there is barely 2% of the resources left in our sector of the North Sea? The gas/oil being piped ashore now is being mostly imported from Scandinavian waters. Salmonds economics for the first vote was based on $100 + dollars per barrel.....and even then it didn't add up. At current prices an independent Scotland would sink like a stone. But I agree....why are English so keen to keep Scotland united? Answer....not a clue! It makes no sense to the rest of the UK." There comes a point in any oil field where the remaining oil becomes more expensive to extract than you would make from any profit selling the oil, and the oil in the North sea is fast approaching that tipping point. Alex Salmond's Indy ref 1 oil price has tanked, the passage of time has now proved the SNP economics for independence to be cloud cookoo land economics. | |||
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" I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide. What "abundant hydrocarbon resources" do you speak of? You do know, don't you, that there is barely 2% of the resources left in our sector of the North Sea? The gas/oil being piped ashore now is being mostly imported from Scandinavian waters. Salmonds economics for the first vote was based on $100 + dollars per barrel.....and even then it didn't add up. At current prices an independent Scotland would sink like a stone. But I agree....why are English so keen to keep Scotland united? Answer....not a clue! It makes no sense to the rest of the UK. There comes a point in any oil field where the remaining oil becomes more expensive to extract than you would make from any profit selling the oil, and the oil in the North sea is fast approaching that tipping point. Alex Salmond's Indy ref 1 oil price has tanked, the passage of time has now proved the SNP economics for independence to be cloud cookoo land economics. " Your is a good example of fear mongering | |||
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" I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide. What "abundant hydrocarbon resources" do you speak of? You do know, don't you, that there is barely 2% of the resources left in our sector of the North Sea? The gas/oil being piped ashore now is being mostly imported from Scandinavian waters. Salmonds economics for the first vote was based on $100 + dollars per barrel.....and even then it didn't add up. At current prices an independent Scotland would sink like a stone. But I agree....why are English so keen to keep Scotland united? Answer....not a clue! It makes no sense to the rest of the UK. There comes a point in any oil field where the remaining oil becomes more expensive to extract than you would make from any profit selling the oil, and the oil in the North sea is fast approaching that tipping point. Alex Salmond's Indy ref 1 oil price has tanked, the passage of time has now proved the SNP economics for independence to be cloud cookoo land economics. Your is a good example of fear mongering "In which alternative reality do you think the oil price has increased then?  | |||
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" I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide. What "abundant hydrocarbon resources" do you speak of? You do know, don't you, that there is barely 2% of the resources left in our sector of the North Sea? The gas/oil being piped ashore now is being mostly imported from Scandinavian waters. Salmonds economics for the first vote was based on $100 + dollars per barrel.....and even then it didn't add up. At current prices an independent Scotland would sink like a stone. But I agree....why are English so keen to keep Scotland united? Answer....not a clue! It makes no sense to the rest of the UK. There comes a point in any oil field where the remaining oil becomes more expensive to extract than you would make from any profit selling the oil, and the oil in the North sea is fast approaching that tipping point. Alex Salmond's Indy ref 1 oil price has tanked, the passage of time has now proved the SNP economics for independence to be cloud cookoo land economics. Your is a good example of fear mongering
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"Do you seriously believe that the 55/45 split would have been achieved without the last minute dishonourable vow delivered by Gordon the moron on behalf of an English establishment in blind panic? Those who were deceived first time round will not be fooled twice. The polls now are much more favourable than that dishonourable day, when unionist Scots and those who succumbed to project fear made our country, to our lasting shame, the only one to vote against taking charge of its own future. You won't be taking charge of your own future as members of the EU as you'll be ruled over by Brussels. Many SNP members/supporters voted to Leave the EU. Will they still support Sturgeon and the SNP now their votes to Leave EU are being disrespected by the SNP leadership? It was a UK wide referendum on Brexit it wasn't a Scottish referendum. The Sturgeon/Salmond idea that you should not be ruled over by London/Uk but you should be ruled over by Brussels/EU is ridiculous and illogical, Jim Sillars former deputy leader of the SNP pointed this nonsensical position out to the Scottish people during the EU referendum campaign when he backed Brexit's Leave campaign. The Governements recent white paper stated clearly and categorically that U.K. Parliament has always been Sovereign. We were never ruled over by Brussels and neither would Scotland be ruled over. Unfortunately there is something in the (mainly) English DNA that cannot accept foreigners being equal. Therefore the whole idea of a European Parliament making decisions that affected the UK even though we were represented democratically, was never comfortable. Scotland would be a partner in the EU and as such would have a voice which is something that Theresa May is going out of her way to try to silence. Look up FCO 30/1048 for advice by the FCO before we joined the EU - this advice was kept classified for 30 years. The document is titled: “Sovereignty and the European Communities” Quite clearly states that the lawmaking powers of the Brussels bureaucracy would lead to “a gross infringement of the sovereignty” of the Westminster Parliament. Correct and many MP's on all sides of the house of commons who supported Leave in the referendum continued to make the point during the article 50 bill debate that UK sovereignty is being stripped away by the EU while we remain a member. The Remain side admit this when they talk of 'pooled sovereignty with the EU' what they really mean is UK sovereignty being taken away and handed over to the EU. It's obvious UK sovereignty is diminished when the European Court of Justice has supremacy over our own British courts, we can't make our own immigration policies as we are bound by the EU free movement of people rules and many other decisions taken in Brussels override the decisions taken in Westminster. This is not an acceptable situation to the British people and was reflected in the vote to Leave the EU. I'm baffled as to why Scots who want independence for their own country want their sovereignty handed over to the EU on a plate and EU courts will be supreme over Scottish courts, Scotland will be subject to the EU free movement of people rule and many other aspects of EU membership will override the Scottish governments decisions. As Jim Sills said it's a completely illogical position for the SNP leadership to adopt.
I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide.
The results of the EU referendum in Scotland are Remain 1,661,191 Leave 1,018,322 did not vote 1,003,426. Turn-out 67.2% so its almost a third split across the board which means one third of Scots did,nt care one third wanted stay and one third wanted to leave.
I could be wrong but I don't think the majority of Scots would rather be members of the EU than members of the UK.
That's an interesting one you pointed out: In the same referendum, consultative btw: 17M voted leave, 16M voted remain from a 47M Universum; is it the will of people what prevailed in your consultative referendum?... Hope you realized only 1/3 voted to leave. It is not people's mandate but a powerful one's mandate being imposed on the 65M inhabitants... I hope you noticed 17M is 1/4=25% of the total population; I truly love your democracy "Yes it is good is,nt is, the Scots had an independence referendum just 2 years before the EU referendum. And I know they were told lies but surely if staying in the EU was so important to the people of Scotland they would have voted to stay in great numbers, if the Scots that voted Leave and the those that did,nt vote at all had all voted to stay Brexit would never have happened. | |||
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" I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide. What "abundant hydrocarbon resources" do you speak of? You do know, don't you, that there is barely 2% of the resources left in our sector of the North Sea? The gas/oil being piped ashore now is being mostly imported from Scandinavian waters. Salmonds economics for the first vote was based on $100 + dollars per barrel.....and even then it didn't add up. At current prices an independent Scotland would sink like a stone. But I agree....why are English so keen to keep Scotland united? Answer....not a clue! It makes no sense to the rest of the UK. There comes a point in any oil field where the remaining oil becomes more expensive to extract than you would make from any profit selling the oil, and the oil in the North sea is fast approaching that tipping point. Alex Salmond's Indy ref 1 oil price has tanked, the passage of time has now proved the SNP economics for independence to be cloud cookoo land economics. Your is a good example of fear mongering
In which alternative reality do you think the oil price has increased then?
I was more interested in knowing if you will keep the _uk suffix after Scotland becomes independent: Will it be changed to _england? "It's obvious you are an SNP supporter, so obsessed are you with Scotland vs England you forgot about Wales and Northern Ireland. | |||
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" I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide. What "abundant hydrocarbon resources" do you speak of? You do know, don't you, that there is barely 2% of the resources left in our sector of the North Sea? The gas/oil being piped ashore now is being mostly imported from Scandinavian waters. Salmonds economics for the first vote was based on $100 + dollars per barrel.....and even then it didn't add up. At current prices an independent Scotland would sink like a stone. But I agree....why are English so keen to keep Scotland united? Answer....not a clue! It makes no sense to the rest of the UK. There comes a point in any oil field where the remaining oil becomes more expensive to extract than you would make from any profit selling the oil, and the oil in the North sea is fast approaching that tipping point. Alex Salmond's Indy ref 1 oil price has tanked, the passage of time has now proved the SNP economics for independence to be cloud cookoo land economics. Your is a good example of fear mongering
In which alternative reality do you think the oil price has increased then?
I was more interested in knowing if you will keep the _uk suffix after Scotland becomes independent: Will it be changed to _england?
It's obvious you are an SNP supporter, so obsessed are you with Scotland vs England you forgot about Wales and Northern Ireland. " it is about Scotland here, did you notice? We can talk of NI vs england or Wales vs england in their corresponding forum | |||
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" I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide. What "abundant hydrocarbon resources" do you speak of? You do know, don't you, that there is barely 2% of the resources left in our sector of the North Sea? The gas/oil being piped ashore now is being mostly imported from Scandinavian waters. Salmonds economics for the first vote was based on $100 + dollars per barrel.....and even then it didn't add up. At current prices an independent Scotland would sink like a stone. But I agree....why are English so keen to keep Scotland united? Answer....not a clue! It makes no sense to the rest of the UK. There comes a point in any oil field where the remaining oil becomes more expensive to extract than you would make from any profit selling the oil, and the oil in the North sea is fast approaching that tipping point. Alex Salmond's Indy ref 1 oil price has tanked, the passage of time has now proved the SNP economics for independence to be cloud cookoo land economics. Your is a good example of fear mongering
In which alternative reality do you think the oil price has increased then?
I was more interested in knowing if you will keep the _uk suffix after Scotland becomes independent: Will it be changed to _england? "However a purely academic question as Scotland will never become indep. Hendent. How could it survive financially. ? | |||
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" I'm actually amused as to why some (english) people in this forum worry with the idea of an independent Scotland when the same people support the uk to be "independent from Europe"... Is it Scotland what they worry about or is it the abundant hydrocarbon resources offshore they wont be entitled to if Scotland becomes independent? Being part of the EU should be something left for Scots to decide. What "abundant hydrocarbon resources" do you speak of? You do know, don't you, that there is barely 2% of the resources left in our sector of the North Sea? The gas/oil being piped ashore now is being mostly imported from Scandinavian waters. Salmonds economics for the first vote was based on $100 + dollars per barrel.....and even then it didn't add up. At current prices an independent Scotland would sink like a stone. But I agree....why are English so keen to keep Scotland united? Answer....not a clue! It makes no sense to the rest of the UK. There comes a point in any oil field where the remaining oil becomes more expensive to extract than you would make from any profit selling the oil, and the oil in the North sea is fast approaching that tipping point. Alex Salmond's Indy ref 1 oil price has tanked, the passage of time has now proved the SNP economics for independence to be cloud cookoo land economics. Your is a good example of fear mongering
In which alternative reality do you think the oil price has increased then?
I was more interested in knowing if you will keep the _uk suffix after Scotland becomes independent: Will it be changed to _england?
It's obvious you are an SNP supporter, so obsessed are you with Scotland vs England you forgot about Wales and Northern Ireland.
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"Displaying the grace, poise and appeal of a rhino on the rampage, Theresa May blundered into Glasgow and pronounced to the Scots what was in their best interests. In a speech which seemed to have the chubby pawmarks of the cub reporter (Ruth Davidson) all over it, she suggested that the SNP government, elected with an overwhelming majority, was not doing too well by the Scots. Whereas in England, the prisons are calm and harmonious, hospitals are coping brilliantly, there is no crisis in police resourcing and social cohesion is pure dead brilliant! An English tory politician preaching to the Scots.....well, that always goes down well, doesn't it! Her words may comfort the few conservatives left - and their allies the red tories - but that apart....what's the point? The tories north of the border think they are on a roll because they are now the nearest challenger (though not really an appropriate word) to the SNP, but that is only because the labour party has been consigned to the bin following their treacherous betrayal of their traditional voter base. In a head to head, Nicola would wipe the floor with her sorry ass. I could hardly believe my own ears when she said she don't think it's in Scotland best interest to pull of their biggest export market the UK....I was like are Brexiters listening to this shit? Yep. We are not pulling out of our biggest market, just arranging more preferable terms "very true | |||
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"Was she maybe just pointing out that Scotland has more to lose from splitting with the UK than from the leaving of the EU....Maybe not it seems some are hell bent on an Indyref2 despite knowing it will end the career of the present First Minister......But i feel it is going to be another bitter divisive year ahead, Oh one question if the "Yes " side win this time do we get a chance of another referendum in 3 years ?....you know when the brown stuff has hit the fan "It's about time the English had the same choices as the Scots Our own parliament and the chance for us to say to the Scots, you know what we are fed up of your whinging moaning ways so why don't you just go off in to the sunset with Wee Jimmy cricket and all,of her self indulgent followers, and allow us to get on with growing and improving in a Brexit future where we can determine our own future free from the tyrannous EU apolitical machine | |||
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