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"The tax itself, which accounts for about 12 per cent of councils’ spending, is based on values from 1991 and is viewed as being completely detached from the current ability of people to pay. consider; option 1 a couple in an expensive home paying huge charges even when they use very few of the services provided option 2 a couple in a small inexpensive home with 6 children between the ages of 8 - 24 yrs using every service available . A: is it fair that the couple using no services has to pay far more than the couple who use all services? . B: should council tax be scrapped and a more fairer system used? " Your right, why should the 2 people living in the house far too big for their need surrounded by unused acres and acres of vanity land with a population density of 1 person per Sq mile have to pay any more than 8 people crammed into a small house on a sink estate where the population density is 10,000 per Sq mile. Of course as there is just 1 police officer for every 400 people in the UK the sink estate with its 6000 inhabitants will get 15 officers while your greedy flash shits can have 1 to cover 400 Sq miles. Same goes for all the other services. Fire brigade, road maintenance, sanitation... Do your 2 in their big posh house still think its a clever wheeze and that they will be better off? Or maybe what they want is to keep all the services but have those filthy worthless over-breading prols subsidise them. | |||
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"why? what's unfair about the system? just re-assess the valuation for 2017 prices and add 3 or 4 extra levels on top of what exists." now that does make sense, 
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"The 8 people crammed into a house too small for them is the result of fuckwits having too many children that they could have had no chance of supporting on an average wage. Why should the 2 people not have the house too big for thier needs? they worked and paid for it! " I hope the 8 people all share the one bath!!! although that's a separate issue for you Englanders south of the border isn't it? water isn't part of your council tax is it, someone once said it was metered down your way? | |||
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"The 8 people crammed into a house too small for them is the result of fuckwits having too many children that they could have had no chance of supporting on an average wage. Why should the 2 people not have the house too big for thier needs? they worked and paid for it! " Or maybe not. There are plenty of large sporting estates around me that have been in the same family for generations. Their forefathers probably stole, cheated, bribed or took by force the land from the common people who probably worked for them for a pittance (or nothing) and then were chucked out of their hovels when they had outlived their usefulness. The current inhabitants sit on their fat, lazy arses and contribute nothing to society. | |||
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"The 8 people crammed into a house too small for them is the result of fuckwits having too many children that they could have had no chance of supporting on an average wage. Why should the 2 people not have the house too big for thier needs? they worked and paid for it! I hope the 8 people all share the one bath!!! although that's a separate issue for you Englanders south of the border isn't it? water isn't part of your council tax is it, someone once said it was metered down your way?" There is never going to be a water issue in scotland as rains every day.Sounds like someone is jealous of the beautiful south and its sunny climate.  | |||
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"The 8 people crammed into a house too small for them is the result of fuckwits having too many children that they could have had no chance of supporting on an average wage. Why should the 2 people not have the house too big for thier needs? they worked and paid for it! I hope the 8 people all share the one bath!!! although that's a separate issue for you Englanders south of the border isn't it? water isn't part of your council tax is it, someone once said it was metered down your way?There is never going to be a water issue in scotland as rains every day.Sounds like someone is jealous of the beautiful south and its sunny climate. "Yes sadly so, it rains every day and freezing too, so bloody cold that even the penguins don't hang around, the good thing is though, we don't need cold rooms or freezers for all the deer we shoot, we just hang them on the washing lines and they are frozen within minutes (anyone from Scotland reading this, keep them believing it, we don't want them finding how well off we really are)   | |||
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"The 8 people crammed into a house too small for them is the result of fuckwits having too many children that they could have had no chance of supporting on an average wage. Why should the 2 people not have the house too big for thier needs? they worked and paid for it! " Really? Fuckwits having too many children. I Heard that Ann and Dave had 3 children, the eldest, a boy, and twin girls. Then Ann's sister and brother in law were killed when an uninsured d*unk driver slammed into their car. The 3 children (triplets) (multiple births run in families) survived, Ann and Dave adopted them rather than see them go into care. They are on the waiting list for a larger property but the council don't have the housing stock any longer because a Tory government forced them to sell it all off. By the way, Ann and Dave both work and because of their income don't qualify for benefits but childcare is so expensive they and the children haven't had a holiday since the triplets parents died. But I suppose your right, Ann and Dave are fuckwits, they should have said fuck you and turned their nieces away in order to preserve what was their comfortable and improving lifestyle. | |||
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"The 8 people crammed into a house too small for them is the result of fuckwits having too many children that they could have had no chance of supporting on an average wage. Why should the 2 people not have the house too big for thier needs? they worked and paid for it! Really? Fuckwits having too many children. I Heard that Ann and Dave had 3 children, the eldest, a boy, and twin girls. Then Ann's sister and brother in law were killed when an uninsured d*unk driver slammed into their car. The 3 children (triplets) (multiple births run in families) survived, Ann and Dave adopted them rather than see them go into care. They are on the waiting list for a larger property but the council don't have the housing stock any longer because a Tory government forced them to sell it all off. By the way, Ann and Dave both work and because of their income don't qualify for benefits but childcare is so expensive they and the children haven't had a holiday since the triplets parents died. But I suppose your right, Ann and Dave are fuckwits, they should have said fuck you and turned their nieces away in order to preserve what was their comfortable and improving lifestyle." bloody hell Will, your making me cry, that's so sad, tears were running down my face and to think they are in such a crowded little house maybe Ann should move in with me, free up some space, that's if she still has her looks, keeps her weight down? whats she like? you got her number, leave dave to deal with the load, Dave swims like a fish
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"The tax itself, which accounts for about 12 per cent of councils’ spending, is based on values from 1991 and is viewed as being completely detached from the current ability of people to pay. consider; option 1 a couple in an expensive home paying huge charges even when they use very few of the services provided option 2 a couple in a small inexpensive home with 6 children between the ages of 8 - 24 yrs using every service available . A: is it fair that the couple using no services has to pay far more than the couple who use all services? . B: should council tax be scrapped and a more fairer system used? . . A list of some of the local services that your council tax helps pay for The Council Tax you pay, which makes up 25.8% of total council income, goes towards the cost of providing a wide range of services for the people of Manchester. These include: •Youth services •Libraries •Parks, open spaces and galleries •Leisure facilities, including swimming pools and recreation centres •Social care for the elderly, children and other vulnerable members of the community •Support for the voluntary sector •Planning and building control •Refuse collection, street cleaning and other environmental issues •Maintenance of roads and bridges •Traffic management and road safety •Parking services and control •Elections, registrars of births, marriages and deaths •Cemeteries, crematoria and mortuary services •Consumer protection •Economic development and regeneration •Community development services •Housing, including the provision of social housing, housing strategy and advice and services for the homeless •Housing Benefits and Council Tax administration. . " The trouble with council tax is that it bears no correlation to the services used. It would be much fairer if everyone over 18 were compelled to pay a local tax. It might make more people realize that none of these services are free. Some of the current taxes are used to fund very generous pension schemes for local government employees. I think that these pension schemes should be changed so that pensions paid reflect the value and performance of the existing fund . | |||
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"The 8 people crammed into a house too small for them is the result of fuckwits having too many children that they could have had no chance of supporting on an average wage. Why should the 2 people not have the house too big for thier needs? they worked and paid for it! I hope the 8 people all share the one bath!!! although that's a separate issue for you Englanders south of the border isn't it? water isn't part of your council tax is it, someone once said it was metered down your way?There is never going to be a water issue in scotland as rains every day.Sounds like someone is jealous of the beautiful south and its sunny climate.
Yes sadly so, it rains every day and freezing too, so bloody cold that even the penguins don't hang around, the good thing is though, we don't need cold rooms or freezers for all the deer we shoot, we just hang them on the washing lines and they are frozen within minutes
(anyone from Scotland reading this, keep them believing it, we don't want them finding how well off we really are) "Ive worked in Scotland beautiful landscapes shite weather .Midges are a nightmare .Food is shite also. I live on the costa del bomo.I know shit weather versus good.New forest on my door step all the venison i can eat.Fridges are cheap down south...My local river full of salmon 53lber pulled out last year. | |||
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"Ive worked in Scotland beautiful landscapes shite weather .Midges are a nightmare .Food is shite also. I live on the costa del bomo.I know shit weather versus good.New forest on my door step all the venison i can eat.Fridges are cheap down south...My local river full of salmon 53lber pulled out last year. " Politics Post of the month award
Brilliant, lol (ive worked in Scotland)
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"Ive worked in Scotland beautiful landscapes shite weather .Midges are a nightmare .Food is shite also. I live on the costa del bomo.I know shit weather versus good.New forest on my door step all the venison i can eat.Fridges are cheap down south...My local river full of salmon 53lber pulled out last year. Politics Post of the month award
Brilliant, lol (ive worked in Scotland)
love it, thumbs up "3 months in summer was enough to put anyone off.Took a team of soft southerners up there.Had to pay danger money though.. | |||
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"The 8 people crammed into a house too small for them is the result of fuckwits having too many children that they could have had no chance of supporting on an average wage. Why should the 2 people not have the house too big for thier needs? they worked and paid for it! Or maybe not. There are plenty of large sporting estates around me that have been in the same family for generations. Their forefathers probably stole, cheated, bribed or took by force the land from the common people who probably worked for them for a pittance (or nothing) and then were chucked out of their hovels when they had outlived their usefulness. The current inhabitants sit on their fat, lazy arses and contribute nothing to society. " Er, this. My ex-landlord inherited his 4,000ac farm, on which he had 15 properties, all let privately (my cottage was the smallest and was £800pcm). He employed a farm manager. Liked shooting, went skiing in winter, to Bali in spring... Hadn't worked for any of it. I don't understand why people seem to automatically assume if people have a house, they must somehow have worked hard for it. | |||
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"The 8 people crammed into a house too small for them is the result of fuckwits having too many children that they could have had no chance of supporting on an average wage. Why should the 2 people not have the house too big for thier needs? they worked and paid for it! Or maybe not. There are plenty of large sporting estates around me that have been in the same family for generations. Their forefathers probably stole, cheated, bribed or took by force the land from the common people who probably worked for them for a pittance (or nothing) and then were chucked out of their hovels when they had outlived their usefulness. The current inhabitants sit on their fat, lazy arses and contribute nothing to society. Er, this. My ex-landlord inherited his 4,000ac farm, on which he had 15 properties, all let privately (my cottage was the smallest and was £800pcm). He employed a farm manager. Liked shooting, went skiing in winter, to Bali in spring... Hadn't worked for any of it. I don't understand why people seem to automatically assume if people have a house, they must somehow have worked hard for it. " However he would still have to work hard to either manage or hold on to these assets. Assets do not manage themselves and are quite easy to lose if you do not make the right decisions . In addition he would be paying substantial amounts of tax assuming that the farm was making a profit . | |||
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"The 8 people crammed into a house too small for them is the result of fuckwits having too many children that they could have had no chance of supporting on an average wage. Why should the 2 people not have the house too big for thier needs? they worked and paid for it! Or maybe not. There are plenty of large sporting estates around me that have been in the same family for generations. Their forefathers probably stole, cheated, bribed or took by force the land from the common people who probably worked for them for a pittance (or nothing) and then were chucked out of their hovels when they had outlived their usefulness. The current inhabitants sit on their fat, lazy arses and contribute nothing to society. Er, this. My ex-landlord inherited his 4,000ac farm, on which he had 15 properties, all let privately (my cottage was the smallest and was £800pcm). He employed a farm manager. Liked shooting, went skiing in winter, to Bali in spring... Hadn't worked for any of it. I don't understand why people seem to automatically assume if people have a house, they must somehow have worked hard for it. " True you can work hard and never own a home.Its all luck and circumstances and chance. I got a 600k house do i work harder than someone renting.Of course i fucking dont.Im a lucky twat .This "I worked hard for it argument" is bullshit. | |||
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"So OP, if its all based on 1990s prices, does that mean i don't have to pay for mine as it was only build 3 years ago? " similar situation myself, although I am sure the number of bedrooms & bathrooms were more the deciding issue doesn't really matter to me, im in the highest band and its not likely to change, just accept the fact and enjoy my 25% reduction | |||
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" The trouble with council tax is that it bears no correlation to the services used. It would be much fairer if everyone over 18 were compelled to pay a local tax. It might make more people realize that none of these services are free. " Yes...it was nicknamed the poll tax and we had riots over it...much fairer system in my view. | |||
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"We are alreadty way over-taxed in this country and I think more needs to be done to rationalise and simplify what is a hugely complex tax code. So most people pay 20% on their earnings and then another 20% on anything other than staple goods. Add on Council tax, fuel duty and tobacco/alcohol duty (which are all taxes paid on money that has already been taxed - sometimes twice - (alcohol/tobacco & fuel) and then if you have any money left to save - you get taxed on that as well. " And add in Inheritance Tax on your estate when you die . The government are now considering an additional death tax paid at a flat rate to fund care costs . | |||
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"We are alreadty way over-taxed in this country and I think more needs to be done to rationalise and simplify what is a hugely complex tax code. So most people pay 20% on their earnings and then another 20% on anything other than staple goods. Add on Council tax, fuel duty and tobacco/alcohol duty (which are all taxes paid on money that has already been taxed - sometimes twice - (alcohol/tobacco & fuel) and then if you have any money left to save - you get taxed on that as well. And add in Inheritance Tax on your estate when you die . The government are now considering an additional death tax paid at a flat rate to fund care costs . " Its easier to tax the dead they never complain or vote again. | |||
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"The 8 people crammed into a house too small for them is the result of fuckwits having too many children that they could have had no chance of supporting on an average wage. Why should the 2 people not have the house too big for thier needs? they worked and paid for it! Or maybe not. There are plenty of large sporting estates around me that have been in the same family for generations. Their forefathers probably stole, cheated, bribed or took by force the land from the common people who probably worked for them for a pittance (or nothing) and then were chucked out of their hovels when they had outlived their usefulness. The current inhabitants sit on their fat, lazy arses and contribute nothing to society. Er, this. My ex-landlord inherited his 4,000ac farm, on which he had 15 properties, all let privately (my cottage was the smallest and was £800pcm). He employed a farm manager. Liked shooting, went skiing in winter, to Bali in spring... Hadn't worked for any of it. I don't understand why people seem to automatically assume if people have a house, they must somehow have worked hard for it. However he would still have to work hard to either manage or hold on to these assets. Assets do not manage themselves and are quite easy to lose if you do not make the right decisions . In addition he would be paying substantial amounts of tax assuming that the farm was making a profit . " Yes must have been very challenging to employ a manager and no doubt an accountant to make use of every tax loophole going in order to pay much less than the income tax rate on any income from his estate. I quite understand why he needs the winter in Bali to recover. Are you really this deluded or just one of those people that believes the 'dream' that 'if I too work hard, wealth will follow'.  | |||
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"The tax itself, which accounts for about 12 per cent of councils’ spending, is based on values from 1991 and is viewed as being completely detached from the current ability of people to pay. consider; option 1 a couple in an expensive home paying huge charges even when they use very few of the services provided option 2 a couple in a small inexpensive home with 6 children between the ages of 8 - 24 yrs using every service available . A: is it fair that the couple using no services has to pay far more than the couple who use all services? . B: should council tax be scrapped and a more fairer system used? . . A list of some of the local services that your council tax helps pay for The Council Tax you pay, which makes up 25.8% of total council income, goes towards the cost of providing a wide range of services for the people of Manchester. These include: •Youth services •Libraries •Parks, open spaces and galleries •Leisure facilities, including swimming pools and recreation centres •Social care for the elderly, children and other vulnerable members of the community •Support for the voluntary sector •Planning and building control •Refuse collection, street cleaning and other environmental issues •Maintenance of roads and bridges •Traffic management and road safety •Parking services and control •Elections, registrars of births, marriages and deaths •Cemeteries, crematoria and mortuary services •Consumer protection •Economic development and regeneration •Community development services •Housing, including the provision of social housing, housing strategy and advice and services for the homeless •Housing Benefits and Council Tax administration. . " They tried fairer with poll tax but look what happened there | |||
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"As someone in the US said regarding state-paid education: "I'm happy to pay for other people's kids to go to school as I don't want to be surrounded by idiots" (paraphrased). I guess you could say similar here. Whilst I, personally, don't (at the moment) use the library, my parents do and they often take my daughter. So I'm very much glad it is there. There are many other people using that service that I don't personally know, but it is enriching their lives. They in turn enrich the society I live in. I know, I know... bit left-wing isn't it?
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"The 8 people crammed into a house too small for them is the result of fuckwits having too many children that they could have had no chance of supporting on an average wage. Why should the 2 people not have the house too big for thier needs? they worked and paid for it! Or maybe not. There are plenty of large sporting estates around me that have been in the same family for generations. Their forefathers probably stole, cheated, bribed or took by force the land from the common people who probably worked for them for a pittance (or nothing) and then were chucked out of their hovels when they had outlived their usefulness. The current inhabitants sit on their fat, lazy arses and contribute nothing to society. Er, this. My ex-landlord inherited his 4,000ac farm, on which he had 15 properties, all let privately (my cottage was the smallest and was £800pcm). He employed a farm manager. Liked shooting, went skiing in winter, to Bali in spring... Hadn't worked for any of it. I don't understand why people seem to automatically assume if people have a house, they must somehow have worked hard for it. However he would still have to work hard to either manage or hold on to these assets. Assets do not manage themselves and are quite easy to lose if you do not make the right decisions . In addition he would be paying substantial amounts of tax assuming that the farm was making a profit . Yes must have been very challenging to employ a manager and no doubt an accountant to make use of every tax loophole going in order to pay much less than the income tax rate on any income from his estate. I quite understand why he needs the winter in Bali to recover. Are you really this deluded or just one of those people that believes the 'dream' that 'if I too work hard, wealth will follow'. "Neither . I do not envy or resent other people's wealth. Not everyone who works hard will achieve success but it is better to try. You are taking quite a risk if you delegate too much of the management of your businness to other people . | |||
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"a couple in an expensive home paying huge charges even when they use very few of the services provided... ...A: is it fair that the couple using no services has to pay far more than the couple who use all services?" Couldn't they just firebomb their house and call out the fire brigade so they get their money's worth? | |||
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