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"Trump being great or not is purely irrelevant (Obama was of course 'great' because he was awarded the Nobel Peace prize...after 11 days as President!?)...it's about objective news reporting, or used to be. This is how the BBC headlined its online report in the last few days on Stockholm's Rinkeby riot in which immigrant drug dealers and hooligans burned cars, looted shops and attacked police and firemen: "Riots in Sweden days after Trump's immigration comments". The clear implication being that Trump caused the riot!? The fact is of course that the BBC in general and its smug, arrogant prima donna Washington correspondents especially the likes of Jonny Diamond and Jon Sopel have stopped being reporters and instead become experts in sneering, openly-contemptuous, politically correct anti-Trump crap. " So I take it your in favour of restricting the freedom of the press... This of course leads me on to a few more questions: If the press are to be limited and what they report subject to censorship, who should be doing the censoring? Should anyone have the right to challenge that censorship? And who will ensure that censorship is not used to cover up corruption and law breaking? | |||
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"It's a funny old world. For years I've heard the howls of derision and calls to ban newspapers like the Mail and Express from all corners of the left. Yet as soon as a couple of theirs are kicked out of a press conference they squeal like stuck pigs. For the record I think Trump is wrong on this one and I hope the ban is only temporary. However, watching the indignant left getting their knickers in a twist is pure entertainment. "Firstly: Not from me... What you have herd from me is that the press should be held to account. If they commit crimes the owners, editors and journalists should be prosecuted and jailed if found guilty, if they defame someone they should be forced to pay and where they knowingly publish false stories they should loose all income generated in any publication that carries the story (that's the full retail sales value, the full advertising revenue and any other income) regardless of outgoings (drugs dealers cant claim expenses when they have their property seized as proceeds of crime). Secondly: This is not about a news outlet making up stories. This is about the President of The United States of America, restricting press access and therefore censoring the press which I am pretty sure violate the presses first amendment rights under the US constitution. But, hey, he is right wing so I guess that's OK.  | |||
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"It's a funny old world. For years I've heard the howls of derision and calls to ban newspapers like the Mail and Express from all corners of the left. Yet as soon as a couple of theirs are kicked out of a press conference they squeal like stuck pigs. For the record I think Trump is wrong on this one and I hope the ban is only temporary. However, watching the indignant left getting their knickers in a twist is pure entertainment. "Did you know that the Daily Mail were also one of the organisations barred from that Whitehouse briefing? | |||
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"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot. Answers on a postcard."The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room..  | |||
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"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot. Answers on a postcard.
The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room.. "Stalin I think ! | |||
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"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot. Answers on a postcard.
The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room.. Stalin I think !"I don't know for certain, but it's unlikely to have been Stalin as he simply took over the reins of a despotic regime, rather than creating one like the others. There wasn't exactly much freedom of the press under Lenin. | |||
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"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot. Answers on a postcard.
The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room.. Stalin I think !
I don't know for certain, but it's unlikely to have been Stalin as he simply took over the reins of a despotic regime, rather than creating one like the others. There wasn't exactly much freedom of the press under Lenin."Ditto Putin | |||
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"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot. Answers on a postcard.
The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room.. "They tell the God-blessed holy Truth, don't you know? | |||
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"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot. Answers on a postcard.
The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room..
They tell the God-blessed holy Truth, don't you know? "Alex jones of info wars(real news) will be invited in soon to to replace CNN. He speaks with trump on the phone regularly apparently .No doubt they are planning the apocalypse alex jones has been predicting to happen. | |||
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"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot. Answers on a postcard.
The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room..
They tell the God-blessed holy Truth, don't you know? "Yep and with the Donald believing that God will protect America it's all err pretty feckin frightening .. | |||
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"It's a funny old world. For years I've heard the howls of derision and calls to ban newspapers like the Mail and Express from all corners of the left. Yet as soon as a couple of theirs are kicked out of a press conference they squeal like stuck pigs. For the record I think Trump is wrong on this one and I hope the ban is only temporary. However, watching the indignant left getting their knickers in a twist is pure entertainment. "I am on the left and I have never heard anyone say to ban these papers. Better for people to see what they are made of .... | |||
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"this censorship will come back and bite trump on the arse.... and soon" Are you hinting that it may be fuel for impeachment and eventual federal imprisonment?  | |||
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"Trump being great or not is purely irrelevant (Obama was of course 'great' because he was awarded the Nobel Peace prize...after 11 days as President!?)...it's about objective news reporting, or used to be. This is how the BBC headlined its online report in the last few days on Stockholm's Rinkeby riot in which immigrant drug dealers and hooligans burned cars, looted shops and attacked police and firemen: "Riots in Sweden days after Trump's immigration comments". The clear implication being that Trump caused the riot!? The fact is of course that the BBC in general and its smug, arrogant prima donna Washington correspondents especially the likes of Jonny Diamond and Jon Sopel have stopped being reporters and instead become experts in sneering, openly-contemptuous, politically correct anti-Trump crap. "  ,,Spot on. | |||
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"I wonder who started banning press earliest in their term of office trump,hitler,Mussolini pol pot. Answers on a postcard.
The irony of this latest ill thought out 'plan' by trump is that Breitfart are still in the room.. "Nice to see Time and AP declined the invitation to attend | |||
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"Trump being great or not is purely irrelevant (Obama was of course 'great' because he was awarded the Nobel Peace prize...after 11 days as President!?)...it's about objective news reporting, or used to be. This is how the BBC headlined its online report in the last few days on Stockholm's Rinkeby riot in which immigrant drug dealers and hooligans burned cars, looted shops and attacked police and firemen: "Riots in Sweden days after Trump's immigration comments". The clear implication being that Trump caused the riot!? The fact is of course that the BBC in general and its smug, arrogant prima donna Washington correspondents especially the likes of Jonny Diamond and Jon Sopel have stopped being reporters and instead become experts in sneering, openly-contemptuous, politically correct anti-Trump crap. " good post | |||
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"Trump being great or not is purely irrelevant (Obama was of course 'great' because he was awarded the Nobel Peace prize...after 11 days as President!?)...it's about objective news reporting, or used to be. This is how the BBC headlined its online report in the last few days on Stockholm's Rinkeby riot in which immigrant drug dealers and hooligans burned cars, looted shops and attacked police and firemen: "Riots in Sweden days after Trump's immigration comments". The clear implication being that Trump caused the riot!? The fact is of course that the BBC in general and its smug, arrogant prima donna Washington correspondents especially the likes of Jonny Diamond and Jon Sopel have stopped being reporters and instead become experts in sneering, openly-contemptuous, politically correct anti-Trump crap. good post "best and truest one on this thread | |||
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"This is certainly dangerous territory,but the man is not playing with a full deck, his supporters are seeing this and some are having there doubts.....Others are myopic and will defend him to his last lie and pussy grab....So there we have it, coming apart in a matter of days, in four years it may well be him alone in his bunker time.....xx" How do you know his supporters are having their doubts are you just hoping or have you spoken to them ? | |||
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"This is certainly dangerous territory,but the man is not playing with a full deck, his supporters are seeing this and some are having there doubts.....Others are myopic and will defend him to his last lie and pussy grab....So there we have it, coming apart in a matter of days, in four years it may well be him alone in his bunker time.....xx How do you know his supporters are having their doubts are you just hoping or have you spoken to them ? " I personally know people who voted for him and some of them find what he is doing to the press to be too far. And these are people who support his wall and his Muslim ban and everything else. | |||
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" The fact is of course that the BBC in general and its smug, arrogant prima donna Washington correspondents especially the likes of Jonny Diamond and Jon Sopel have stopped being reporters and instead become experts in sneering, openly-contemptuous, politically correct anti-Trump crap. " if it was 'crap' any normal' person would not give it the time of day, it has in media jargon 'got legs' especially the links to Russia so by banning critical media all the donald is doing is saying there is something that you guys are writing that worries me.. its a knee jerk reaction by an out of his depth bully used to having no criticism of his affairs.. it will come back to haunt him big.. people have short memories, when the beeb reported Orgreave wrongly and were rightly condemned by the left for that the right were saying it was all ok for them to spin it 360.. try being objective if you are able to eh.. | |||
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"This is certainly dangerous territory,but the man is not playing with a full deck, his supporters are seeing this and some are having there doubts.....Others are myopic and will defend him to his last lie and pussy grab....So there we have it, coming apart in a matter of days, in four years it may well be him alone in his bunker time.....xx How do you know his supporters are having their doubts are you just hoping or have you spoken to them ? I personally know people who voted for him and some of them find what he is doing to the press to be too far. And these are people who support his wall and his Muslim ban and everything else." you personally know 2 or 3 out of 61,900,651  | |||
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"What will follow next as he channels his inner hitler will be the banning of books.There are now calls for evolution to be banned from being taught in schools from the religous right.The vice president doesn't believe in evolution ,the earth is 6000 years old according to mike Pence. Who openly opposes the teaching of evolution and advocates strong educational reform. Time to throw Charles Darwin's origin of the species on the fire." That's nothing new, though. Not in America. When I was in high school my school had an organized debate about whether creationism should be taught in science class. And I went to school in NYC, so hardly the bible belt. | |||
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"This is certainly dangerous territory,but the man is not playing with a full deck, his supporters are seeing this and some are having there doubts.....Others are myopic and will defend him to his last lie and pussy grab....So there we have it, coming apart in a matter of days, in four years it may well be him alone in his bunker time.....xx How do you know his supporters are having their doubts are you just hoping or have you spoken to them ? I personally know people who voted for him and some of them find what he is doing to the press to be too far. And these are people who support his wall and his Muslim ban and everything else. you personally know 2 or 3 out of 61,900,651 "So what? The other poster asked whether we have spoken to his supporters to know their feelings. I have. And I answered the query. To suggest that 0 of those 61,900,651 are opposed to what he is doing with the press is even more preposterous. | |||
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"What will follow next as he channels his inner hitler will be the banning of books.There are now calls for evolution to be banned from being taught in schools from the religous right.The vice president doesn't believe in evolution ,the earth is 6000 years old according to mike Pence. Who openly opposes the teaching of evolution and advocates strong educational reform. Time to throw Charles Darwin's origin of the species on the fire. That's nothing new, though. Not in America. When I was in high school my school had an organized debate about whether creationism should be taught in science class. And I went to school in NYC, so hardly the bible belt." Has there ever been a young earth creationist as vice president openly advocating banning evolution.?I know intelligent design is an American phenomenon . Regardless of evidence. | |||
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"What will follow next as he channels his inner hitler will be the banning of books.There are now calls for evolution to be banned from being taught in schools from the religous right.The vice president doesn't believe in evolution ,the earth is 6000 years old according to mike Pence. Who openly opposes the teaching of evolution and advocates strong educational reform. Time to throw Charles Darwin's origin of the species on the fire. That's nothing new, though. Not in America. When I was in high school my school had an organized debate about whether creationism should be taught in science class. And I went to school in NYC, so hardly the bible belt.Has there ever been a young earth creationist as vice president openly advocating banning evolution.?I know intelligent design is an American phenomenon . Regardless of evidence." But the vice president isn't the person who decides what gets taught in class so it isn't as worrying as it appears. The people who decide what goes in textbooks and the curriculum are the important people, and very often they aren't even well known. Public schools are largely within the jurisdiction of state governments. What the executive feels should be taught is insight into their character, but it isn't as dangerous as what the administrators who work in the states think as far as implementation. | |||
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"What will follow next as he channels his inner hitler will be the banning of books.There are now calls for evolution to be banned from being taught in schools from the religous right.The vice president doesn't believe in evolution ,the earth is 6000 years old according to mike Pence. Who openly opposes the teaching of evolution and advocates strong educational reform. Time to throw Charles Darwin's origin of the species on the fire. That's nothing new, though. Not in America. When I was in high school my school had an organized debate about whether creationism should be taught in science class. And I went to school in NYC, so hardly the bible belt.Has there ever been a young earth creationist as vice president openly advocating banning evolution.?I know intelligent design is an American phenomenon . Regardless of evidence. But the vice president isn't the person who decides what gets taught in class so it isn't as worrying as it appears. The people who decide what goes in textbooks and the curriculum are the important people, and very often they aren't even well known. Public schools are largely within the jurisdiction of state governments. What the executive feels should be taught is insight into their character, but it isn't as dangerous as what the administrators who work in the states think as far as implementation. " Doesn't nancy devos the education Secretary and fundamentalist Christian say whats taught in class.If her faith shapes her policies—and there is evidence that it will,she could shape science education decisively for the worse.The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.She wants creationist bullshit taught along side evolution. | |||
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"What will follow next as he channels his inner hitler will be the banning of books.There are now calls for evolution to be banned from being taught in schools from the religous right.The vice president doesn't believe in evolution ,the earth is 6000 years old according to mike Pence. Who openly opposes the teaching of evolution and advocates strong educational reform. Time to throw Charles Darwin's origin of the species on the fire. That's nothing new, though. Not in America. When I was in high school my school had an organized debate about whether creationism should be taught in science class. And I went to school in NYC, so hardly the bible belt.Has there ever been a young earth creationist as vice president openly advocating banning evolution.?I know intelligent design is an American phenomenon . Regardless of evidence. But the vice president isn't the person who decides what gets taught in class so it isn't as worrying as it appears. The people who decide what goes in textbooks and the curriculum are the important people, and very often they aren't even well known. Public schools are largely within the jurisdiction of state governments. What the executive feels should be taught is insight into their character, but it isn't as dangerous as what the administrators who work in the states think as far as implementation. Doesn't nancy devos the education Secretary and fundamentalist Christian say whats taught in class.If her faith shapes her policies—and there is evidence that it will,she could shape science education decisively for the worse.The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.She wants creationist bullshit taught along side evolution. " I think we've gotten pretty off topic from the OP, but... What the Secretary of education thinks about evolution being taught in the classrooms isn't really as important as you'd think. The Secretary of education mostly deals with big trend issues in education. It was the reason why her stance on testing and graduation rates was so important, and so criticized. The debate about evolution in US classrooms has been going on in the U.S. since evolution was first hypothesized. Over the past 20 years that debate has morphed into evolution vs creationism. It isnt new with this vice president or this secretary of education. But what I keep trying to emphasize is the importance of state governments and administrations in public education in the US. It isnt like the UK, where things are highly centralized. Instead, in the U.S., state governments make their curriculums and decide most things (apart from very wide policy decisions). Someone in New York State will get a very different public school education than someone in Texas. Education has always been in the area of state sovereignty. I'm not saying there isn't a problem with this anti-evolution sentiment at the highest levels of the federal government. Of course there is. But what I'm saying is that it isn't new and that you can't focus on Pence and Devos and ignore the real dangers - residing mostly in state departments of education, textbook manufacturers, and the writers of school curriculums. | |||
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"What will follow next as he channels his inner hitler will be the banning of books.There are now calls for evolution to be banned from being taught in schools from the religous right.The vice president doesn't believe in evolution ,the earth is 6000 years old according to mike Pence. Who openly opposes the teaching of evolution and advocates strong educational reform. Time to throw Charles Darwin's origin of the species on the fire. That's nothing new, though. Not in America. When I was in high school my school had an organized debate about whether creationism should be taught in science class. And I went to school in NYC, so hardly the bible belt.Has there ever been a young earth creationist as vice president openly advocating banning evolution.?I know intelligent design is an American phenomenon . Regardless of evidence. But the vice president isn't the person who decides what gets taught in class so it isn't as worrying as it appears. The people who decide what goes in textbooks and the curriculum are the important people, and very often they aren't even well known. Public schools are largely within the jurisdiction of state governments. What the executive feels should be taught is insight into their character, but it isn't as dangerous as what the administrators who work in the states think as far as implementation. Doesn't nancy devos the education Secretary and fundamentalist Christian say whats taught in class.If her faith shapes her policies—and there is evidence that it will,she could shape science education decisively for the worse.The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.She wants creationist bullshit taught along side evolution. I think we've gotten pretty off topic from the OP, but... What the Secretary of education thinks about evolution being taught in the classrooms isn't really as important as you'd think. The Secretary of education mostly deals with big trend issues in education. It was the reason why her stance on testing and graduation rates was so important, and so criticized. The debate about evolution in US classrooms has been going on in the U.S. since evolution was first hypothesized. Over the past 20 years that debate has morphed into evolution vs creationism. It isnt new with this vice president or this secretary of education. But what I keep trying to emphasize is the importance of state governments and administrations in public education in the US. It isnt like the UK, where things are highly centralized. Instead, in the U.S., state governments make their curriculums and decide most things (apart from very wide policy decisions). Someone in New York State will get a very different public school education than someone in Texas. Education has always been in the area of state sovereignty. I'm not saying there isn't a problem with this anti-evolution sentiment at the highest levels of the federal government. Of course there is. But what I'm saying is that it isn't new and that you can't focus on Pence and Devos and ignore the real dangers - residing mostly in state departments of education, textbook manufacturers, and the writers of school curriculums." Thanks for educating me on who decides what is taught. I see now it isn't anything like the UK. | |||
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"This is certainly dangerous territory,but the man is not playing with a full deck, his supporters are seeing this and some are having there doubts.....Others are myopic and will defend him to his last lie and pussy grab....So there we have it, coming apart in a matter of days, in four years it may well be him alone in his bunker time.....xx How do you know his supporters are having their doubts are you just hoping or have you spoken to them ? I personally know people who voted for him and some of them find what he is doing to the press to be too far. And these are people who support his wall and his Muslim ban and everything else. you personally know 2 or 3 out of 61,900,651 "Many in the GOP are speaking out against his more ridiculous antics (God knows they have plenty to choose from) | |||
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"The Donald is a control freak. Does anybody doubt this? The Apprentice and his privately held company are his reality. It is not altogether surprising that he thinks this is alright. May is a control freak in another way. How else did she stay in the Home Office seat,for so long. The press should be free. If it lies, grossly misrepresents the truth or bullies it should be prosecuted by an INDEPENDENT judiciary. If not, then leave it alone, particularly if you're a government.in fact, the government should be doing quite the opposite. There was a lot of support recently for the the judiciary here not being independent as it should do what "the people" wanted but the press should be "free" to gleefully tell us that a judge's sexuality impaired his ability to rule on a mater of constitutional law. However on the OP's question the split remains the same. Brexit/Trump supporters think it's fine, the others don't. So, the question is despite both these movements being apparently about getting "freedom", there seems to be a strong authoritarian streak which inherently does not tolerate any descent. Interesting paradox." both 'movemenus' oh dear | |||
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"The Donald is a control freak. Does anybody doubt this? The Apprentice and his privately held company are his reality. It is not altogether surprising that he thinks this is alright. May is a control freak in another way. How else did she stay in the Home Office seat,for so long. The press should be free. If it lies, grossly misrepresents the truth or bullies it should be prosecuted by an INDEPENDENT judiciary. If not, then leave it alone, particularly if you're a government.in fact, the government should be doing quite the opposite. There was a lot of support recently for the the judiciary here not being independent as it should do what "the people" wanted but the press should be "free" to gleefully tell us that a judge's sexuality impaired his ability to rule on a mater of constitutional law. However on the OP's question the split remains the same. Brexit/Trump supporters think it's fine, the others don't. So, the question is despite both these movements being apparently about getting "freedom", there seems to be a strong authoritarian streak which inherently does not tolerate any descent. Interesting paradox. both 'movemenus' oh dear "What does that mean? | |||
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" The press should be free. If it lies, grossly misrepresents the truth or bullies it should be prosecuted by an INDEPENDENT judiciary. If not, then leave it alone, particularly if you're a government.in fact, the government should be doing quite the opposite. There was a lot of support recently for the the judiciary here not being independent as it should do what "the people" wanted but the press should be "free" to gleefully tell us that a judge's sexuality impaired his ability to rule on a mater of constitutional law. However on the OP's question the split remains the same. Brexit/Trump supporters think it's fine, the others don't. So, the question is despite both these movements being apparently about getting "freedom", there seems to be a strong authoritarian streak which inherently does not tolerate any descent. Interesting paradox." The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque, the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said | |||
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" The press should be free. If it lies, grossly misrepresents the truth or bullies it should be prosecuted by an INDEPENDENT judiciary. If not, then leave it alone, particularly if you're a government.in fact, the government should be doing quite the opposite. There was a lot of support recently for the the judiciary here not being independent as it should do what "the people" wanted but the press should be "free" to gleefully tell us that a judge's sexuality impaired his ability to rule on a mater of constitutional law. However on the OP's question the split remains the same. Brexit/Trump supporters think it's fine, the others don't. So, the question is despite both these movements being apparently about getting "freedom", there seems to be a strong authoritarian streak which inherently does not tolerate any descent. Interesting paradox. The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque, the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said" That's fine if political views are broadly represented in the press at large and the actual information is properly sourced. The audience also needs to search out different views and be critical of everything. That isn't necessarily the case now... | |||
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" The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque, the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said" if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers..... | |||
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" The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque, the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers..... " Does anyone still actually buy newspapers?? ?? anyone? | |||
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" The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque, the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers..... Does anyone still actually buy newspapers?? ?? anyone?" I do. | |||
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" The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque, the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers..... Does anyone still actually buy newspapers?? ?? anyone? I do. "what you buy? are they still 20p | |||
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"He is just gaslighting, and it is getting quite crazy. Latest example: On Fox & Friends, Herman Cain said that the media isn't reporting that Trump had reduced the debt by $12B in his first month, compared to Obama increasing it by $200B in his first month. This was something that some right wing website had come up with. Not that you could attribute the first month in office to either anyway, when they are likely paying for the last of their predecessor's month. But anyways... Half an hour later Trump tweets "The media has not reported that the National Debt in my first month went down by $12 billion vs a $200 billion increase in Obama first mo.". So clearly 1) He is sitting their watching Fox and tweeting what he sees (evident by the 'Sweden' debacle). and 2) THAT IS THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA REPORTING IT. Trump is tweeting that the media is not reporting on something that he found out about by watching the media! -Matt" Just read about that gaslighting its a tool used by sociopaths and narcissits. I think trump can effectively be catagorised as both now. | |||
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" Does anyone still actually buy newspapers?? ?? anyone? I do. ".... and 5,854,339 other people in january did too | |||
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" Does anyone still actually buy newspapers?? ?? anyone? I do.
.... and 5,854,339 other people in january did too "does that mean 60 million didnt | |||
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" The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque, the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers..... Does anyone still actually buy newspapers?? ?? anyone? I do.
what you buy? are they still 20p " no, not 20p.
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" Does anyone still actually buy newspapers?? ?? anyone? I do.
.... and 5,854,339 other people in january did too "And you 'buy' their paper by looking at it online as they get paid for eyeball on adverts. Which is why the tabloids get even more provocative and want to run any old bullshit (and as quick as they can regardless of facts) as they want your eyeballs on their story before it is elsewhere online. -Matt | |||
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" The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque, the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers..... Does anyone still actually buy newspapers?? ?? anyone? I do. "Do I buy papers every day? No but I have digital subscriptions to a few different news vendors. Good journalism costs money. The internet has destroyed newspapers inability to rely on advertising to cover costs An independent free press is an essential part of a democracy. | |||
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" Does anyone still actually buy newspapers?? ?? anyone? I do.
.... and 5,854,339 other people in january did too
And you 'buy' their paper by looking at it online as they get paid for eyeball on adverts. Which is why the tabloids get even more provocative and want to run any old bullshit (and as quick as they can regardless of facts) as they want your eyeballs on their story before it is elsewhere online.
-Matt"meanwhile in the news: Farage enjoys "Dinner with The Donald."
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"The Week. It's a digest. Worth a read. There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news." I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares. | |||
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" The press is as free as the person who pays the reporters paycheque, the man who writes the cheque decides whan can be said and what cannot be said if thats why you really think then newspapers would never make money as the truely explosive stories would only ever come out in certain newspapers..... Does anyone still actually buy newspapers?? ?? anyone? I do.
Do I buy papers every day? No but I have digital subscriptions to a few different news vendors. Good journalism costs money. The internet has destroyed newspapers inability to rely on advertising to cover costs
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"The Week. It's a digest. Worth a read. There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news. I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares." It's not new. The advertising is a bit high end so must be elitist | |||
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"The President gave a great speech, many on the fence are now backing Trump and many Democrats quote they have more confidence Trump is turning the haters to favour him ofocurse there will still be some sheep on here against all he stands for, but in time, these same sheep will eventually change their minds" was it a good speech for trump..... yep was it a good speech in general... i don't thing it was..... I think because of what we have seen in past we have ended up setting the bar a lot lower for trump... so compared to his other speeches it was a good speech... the bit where he paid tribute to the navy seal killed in yemen was his best bit by a mile (although interestingly his family is split on reaction to the raid... his mother and father have attacked trump for authorising the botched raid) i hated the way he demonised immigrants... his bit on law on order went straight back to focusing on nothing but immigrants i shared the same audible groan you heard when he announced the VOICE taskforce as it was a missed oppotunitiy to look at ALL violence like the shooting of the indian resident and his colleague in kansas at the weekend by a white extremist shouted "go back to your own country" thinking they were iranian this administration looks at act done by immigrants or muslims and turns a blind eye to everything else! the healthcare proposal he spoke of last night was not the same one he spoke of during the election.... how he is going to balance the books between increased defence spending, huge infructure spending and cutting the top peoples taxes is going to send the debt into overdrive | |||
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"The President gave a great speech, many on the fence are now backing Trump and many Democrats quote they have more confidence Trump is turning the haters to favour him ofocurse there will still be some sheep on here against all he stands for, but in time, these same sheep will eventually change their minds was it a good speech for trump..... yep was it a good speech in general... i don't thing it was..... I think because of what we have seen in past we have ended up setting the bar a lot lower for trump... so compared to his other speeches it was a good speech... the bit where he paid tribute to the navy seal killed in yemen was his best bit by a mile (although interestingly his family is split on reaction to the raid... his mother and father have attacked trump for authorising the botched raid) i hated the way he demonised immigrants... his bit on law on order went straight back to focusing on nothing but immigrants i shared the same audible groan you heard when he announced the VOICE taskforce as it was a missed oppotunitiy to look at ALL violence like the shooting of the indian resident and his colleague in kansas at the weekend by a white extremist shouted "go back to your own country" thinking they were iranian this administration looks at act done by immigrants or muslims and turns a blind eye to everything else! the healthcare proposal he spoke of last night was not the same one he spoke of during the election.... how he is going to balance the books between increased defence spending, huge infructure spending and cutting the top peoples taxes is going to send the debt into overdrive" But what he said during the campaign on economics made no sense, I believe one analysis of his campaign promises had him cutting the federal budget by 98%!  | |||
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"The Week. It's a digest. Worth a read. There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news. I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares. It's not new. The advertising is a bit high end so must be elitist "I have no doubt! Is it biased though - it didn't look it at first glance? | |||
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"The Week. It's a digest. Worth a read. There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news. I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares. It's not new. The advertising is a bit high end so must be elitist
I have no doubt! Is it biased though - it didn't look it at first glance? "I'm rolling with the thread. I like it, but I'm a liberal, snowflake, metropolitan elitist so I would | |||
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"The Week. It's a digest. Worth a read. There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news. I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares. It's not new. The advertising is a bit high end so must be elitist
I have no doubt! Is it biased though - it didn't look it at first glance?
I'm rolling with the thread.
I like it, but I'm a liberal, snowflake, metropolitan elitist so I would "Haha, ah well, I might not then - I'm more into a random smorgasbord of attitudes! | |||
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"The Week. It's a digest. Worth a read. There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news. I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares. It's not new. The advertising is a bit high end so must be elitist
I have no doubt! Is it biased though - it didn't look it at first glance?
I'm rolling with the thread.
I like it, but I'm a liberal, snowflake, metropolitan elitist so I would
Haha, ah well, I might not then - I'm more into a random smorgasbord of attitudes! "This feels like nerdy flirting
I am being facetious. It is structured but provides topical, and random, stories with a range of views.
Like many things, considering that we're on Fab, you'd be surprised at what it turns out you enjoy once you try it | |||
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"The Week. It's a digest. Worth a read. There's more of a need for slow news nowadays than fast news. I just saw that mag last week for the first time - looked rather good to me, precis but not tabloidy, I'll be interested to see how it fares. It's not new. The advertising is a bit high end so must be elitist
I have no doubt! Is it biased though - it didn't look it at first glance?
I'm rolling with the thread.
I like it, but I'm a liberal, snowflake, metropolitan elitist so I would
Haha, ah well, I might not then - I'm more into a random smorgasbord of attitudes!
This feels like nerdy flirting
I am being facetious. It is structured but provides topical, and random, stories with a range of views.
Like many things, considering that we're on Fab, you'd be surprised at what it turns out you enjoy once you try it "Yes, I must try and actually read the sample copy I pinched from a friend.....   | |||
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"If the media was impartial (as it should be) then there would not be a problem. I detest it when the media tries to influence my opinion. Trump is only asking for them to report the news in a professional manner so the public can make their own minds up. " Joke of the week. | |||
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"If the media was impartial (as it should be) then there would not be a problem. I detest it when the media tries to influence my opinion. Trump is only asking for them to report the news in a professional manner so the public can make their own minds up. " The 'news' can only be as impartial as the person presenting it. Even the robot/algorithms that present 'news' feed you the preference that has been evidenced for you. Most news is presented as a story. Cold, hard facts bore people. The best you can do is read a range of sources, seek them out and don't rely on them being presented to you. Jimi has consistently stated that he learned about news bias at about 11, as did most of us if we were paying attention. | |||
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"If the media was impartial (as it should be) then there would not be a problem. I detest it when the media tries to influence my opinion. Trump is only asking for them to report the news in a professional manner so the public can make their own minds up. " Bless. Poor misunderstood, bullied, defenceless Trumpy Wumpy
Do the right wing "news" agencies that back him and provide him with information for his Tweets, in preference to his national intelligence agencies, report in an unbiased "professional" manner? | |||
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"The President gave a great speech, many on the fence are now backing Trump and many Democrats quote they have more confidence Trump is turning the haters to favour him ofocurse there will still be some sheep on here against all he stands for, but in time, these same sheep will eventually change their minds" Congratulations on winning the most ridiculous post of the week prize......it's a butt plug from Lovehoney. | |||
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"If the media was impartial (as it should be) then there would not be a problem. I detest it when the media tries to influence my opinion. Trump is only asking for them to report the news in a professional manner so the public can make their own minds up. " it can only influence if you allow it.. whats with your profile name..? | |||
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"If the media was impartial (as it should be) then there would not be a problem. I detest it when the media tries to influence my opinion. Trump is only asking for them to report the news in a professional manner so the public can make their own minds up. " OK Hitler! | |||
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