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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London

Much of what we debate on here, or shout at each other about is over what we think we know.

We may know less than we think.

There's an interesting quiz statistical quiz here about your local area. Government website so please don't ban me!

http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/HTMLDocs/dvc147/

I know 48%

So then I went and found out about the guy who wrote it and he's done a TED talk:

Alan Smith: Why you should love statistics

https://go.ted.com/Cydt

Our prejudices and what we think we know inform our opinions and decisions. The problem is that we are mostly wrong and until we accept that and that someone else may have a point we wing from one person's wrong to am alternative wrong solution.

Alternatively you're right and you know it

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Another 48% here, although I think one of the statistics (number of Muslims that live in the area) may well be wrong.

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"Another 48% here, although I think one of the statistics (number of Muslims that live in the area) may well be wrong."

I'm right and the data's wrong?

That's a slippery slope

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"That's a slippery slope "

Maybe, but I live in a highly diverse area with a high African and Asian population (16% according to government stats when the UK average is 5%) yet according to the same government stats only 3% of the population are Muslim. That is about the national average and I find that hard to believe. I know there are many evangelical Christian Churches in the area so I would not be surprised if the figures were off on a standard distribution bell-curve, but that much seems odd.

Could it be that by the time of the last census that many Muslims in areas like mine were not disclosing their religion and therefore distorting the figures?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

49%, but I think the amount of retirees I see in the Co op and the amount of school uniforms in the mornings confused my age responses, went for 27 with a degree and was only 2 under though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's a slippery slope

Maybe, but I live in a highly diverse area with a high African and Asian population (16% according to government stats when the UK average is 5%) yet according to the same government stats only 3% of the population are Muslim. That is about the national average and I find that hard to believe. I know there are many evangelical Christian Churches in the area so I would not be surprised if the figures were off on a standard distribution bell-curve, but that much seems odd.

Could it be that by the time of the last census that many Muslims in areas like mine were not disclosing their religion and therefore distorting the figures?"

The last census was a while ago. Why wouldn't they disclose it. If you're non practicing what does that make them?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"The last census was a while ago. Why wouldn't they disclose it. If you're non practicing what does that make them?"

Lat census was 2011, I may be paranoid but I never disclose my religion on any government form. I know what happened across Europe to the Jews and how official records were used to identify them. I would totally understand if many Muslims felt unease at declaring their faith on official forms after September 2001 (9/11) and July 2005 (7/7). I would expect that being non practising makes you non practising, but does not change your religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The last census was a while ago. Why wouldn't they disclose it. If you're non practicing what does that make them?

Lat census was 2011, I may be paranoid but I never disclose my religion on any government form. I know what happened across Europe to the Jews and how official records were used to identify them. I would totally understand if many Muslims felt unease at declaring their faith on official forms after September 2001 (9/11) and July 2005 (7/7). I would expect that being non practising makes you non practising, but does not change your religion."

I'm non practicing Catholic but did go to church some times. Had the ceremonies growing up. But I don't identify myself with that religion. I put non-religion on any profile if possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The last census was a while ago. Why wouldn't they disclose it. If you're non practicing what does that make them?

Lat census was 2011, I may be paranoid but I never disclose my religion on any government form. I know what happened across Europe to the Jews and how official records were used to identify them. I would totally understand if many Muslims felt unease at declaring their faith on official forms after September 2001 (9/11) and July 2005 (7/7). I would expect that being non practising makes you non practising, but does not change your religion.

I'm non practicing Catholic but did go to church some times. Had the ceremonies growing up. But I don't identify myself with that religion. I put non-religion on any profile if possible."

But I get your point after the 9/11 and 7/7 events. I didn't realise it happened so long ago.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"But I get your point after the 9/11 and 7/7 events. I didn't realise it happened so long ago."

Yep, time flies when your having fun...

I do understand where you are coming from where religion is concerned. But the important thing in my view is not how we view ourselves but how others (especially the state) view us. So race religion and sexuality are all things I refuse to disclose. After all you never know when a Protestant/Catholic/Christian/Muslim/gay/promiscuity hating fascist is going to gain power and use the information we have given the state voluntarily to persecute us. Although in the UK the state now collects it all from the internet. Thank you Mr I fuck pigs CaMoron.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But I get your point after the 9/11 and 7/7 events. I didn't realise it happened so long ago.

Yep, time flies when your having fun...

I do understand where you are coming from where religion is concerned. But the important thing in my view is not how we view ourselves but how others (especially the state) view us. So race religion and sexuality are all things I refuse to disclose. After all you never know when a Protestant/Catholic/Christian/Muslim/gay/promiscuity hating fascist is going to gain power and use the information we have given the state voluntarily to persecute us. Although in the UK the state now collects it all from the internet. Thank you Mr I fuck pigs CaMoron."

Who said fun I've only had 9 meets.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Who said fun I've only had 9 meets."

You must be doing something wrong...

I've had 7 since Xmas eve, 3 with 1 couple and 2 with 2 couples (and another couple were at 1 of those meets).

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"You must be doing something wrong...

I've had 7 since Xmas eve, 3 with 1 couple and 2 with 2 couples (and another couple were at 1 of those meets). "

And half expect to spend this afternoon with one of the above couples.

If you want some tips PM me...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got 52% knowledge! Biggest slip up's were car ownership, housing mortgages and loans, and the amount of muslims in the area.

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"I got 52% knowledge! Biggest slip up's were car ownership, housing mortgages and loans, and the amount of muslims in the area."

This is a small number of factors and, as has been mentioned, based on slightly old data but it's still instructive.

I think the main thing is making us consider the difference between our perception and the data.

This is for our local area. Imagine how much less we know when extrapolating to the whole country...

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

47% . Obviously faulty website

I was only a few off on most of them, not sure how it marks it??

Intersting though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its only for them Englunders and their side kicks

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"its only for them Englunders and their side kicks"

?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"its only for them Englunders and their side kicks

?"

= It doesn't work in Scotland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who said fun I've only had 9 meets.

You must be doing something wrong...

I've had 7 since Xmas eve, 3 with 1 couple and 2 with 2 couples (and another couple were at 1 of those meets). "

Only on fab. I live in Amsterdam. So the Dutch are fine.

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"its only for them Englunders and their side kicks

?

= It doesn't work in Scotland"

Thank you

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London

Nobody else want to get a sense of how solid your convictions should be?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Source all your information from different places. Right, left, foreign perspectives too. Then make a rational decision. You then May have 50% truth.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Nobody else want to get a sense of how solid your convictions should be?"

I was pretty far off the mark locally. I got 30-something %. I live next door to a university and next door to that is a big MOD place. But even factoring that into account I guessed way higher than the actual median age of 25.

-Matt

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

I got 45 odd, but I didn't seem to be massively out about anything apart from median age (I put 59, answer was 45), number of Christians (I put 35, answer was 70) and homeowners (I thought 60%, answer was more like 30). On the Muslim question, I put 2, actual answer 0...

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"I got 45 odd, but I didn't seem to be massively out about anything apart from median age (I put 59, answer was 45), number of Christians (I put 35, answer was 70) and homeowners (I thought 60%, answer was more like 30). On the Muslim question, I put 2, actual answer 0..."

It wasn't that many questions though, so being quite a long way off on a few has a big effect.

On top of that, I think that this is from census data so overlayed on this is what people think of themselves as.

35% practising Christian is probably also overstating it...

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London

Anyone check out the TED talk? Worth checking out Hans Risking too.

I'm preaching to the converted here though

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