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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London

The UK is still being told what to do by unelected bureaucrats by being threatened with a fine for consistently failing to keep pollution at safe levels.

How dare they single us out ( together with the French and Germans).

How dare they force the UK to look after the health of its people.

Farage says it's smoke from Germany though.

Polemic aside, is it good or bad that someone with a big stick is holding the government to account?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

How very dare they try and prevent premature deaths!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Farage says it's smoke from Germany though."

And there was me thinking that weather systems move from west to east globally...

But if Farage says it it must be true, its not like he has lied about anything to do with the EU.

So those there Germans must have built a big fan to send all our pollution back to us? You just cant trust these bloody krauts!

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

They must have borrowed it from the Russians.

Like how could all that radiation from Chernobyl get to the Welsh mountains and the lake district without one?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"They must have borrowed it from the Russians.

Like how could all that radiation from Chernobyl get to the Welsh mountains and the lake district without one?"

By travelling round the world and then being washed out by precipitation when the warm moist air of the Gulf Stream was forced upward and cooled when it hit the first mountain mass this side of the Atlantic (there is a reason that Briton is a green and pleasant land you know). Lots of fallout landed on the Rockies in the same way...

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"They must have borrowed it from the Russians.

Like how could all that radiation from Chernobyl get to the Welsh mountains and the lake district without one?

By travelling round the world and then being washed out by precipitation when the warm moist air of the Gulf Stream was forced upward and cooled when it hit the first mountain mass this side of the Atlantic (there is a reason that Briton is a green and pleasant land you know). Lots of fallout landed on the Rockies in the same way...

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While (in theory) that could have happened with some of the Chernobyl fallout, and maybe some secondary fallout actually did come that way. However the reality was that the the weather systems at the time pushed some quite violent thunderstorms up into Britain from the south east and deposited enough radioactive fallout on the Welsh and lake district mountains to force a temporary ban on Lamb sales from both regions.

I can assure you that the initial and potentially dangerous fallout did not go around the world to get to Britain.

How do I know this? Simple, I got caught out at sea in the middle of one of the storms and had to ride it out. Directly in between the Welsh mountains and the lake district.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"They must have borrowed it from the Russians.

Like how could all that radiation from Chernobyl get to the Welsh mountains and the lake district without one?

By travelling round the world and then being washed out by precipitation when the warm moist air of the Gulf Stream was forced upward and cooled when it hit the first mountain mass this side of the Atlantic (there is a reason that Briton is a green and pleasant land you know). Lots of fallout landed on the Rockies in the same way...

"

You could also take a look at this.

Pay particular attention at one minute in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU4_bJT8W3Y

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is also factually correct that our air quality decreases notably when there is a block of high pressure over Scandinavia which drags air in from the south/east (from over Europe) as we then add our pollution to continental pollution.

When the prevailing winds are westerly the air has been cleaned by several thousand miles of transatlantic travel...our levels are low.

The gases/pollution from our many remaining coal burning power stations (to power our electric cars?) then descends over Scandinavia and causes damage to their forests.

What goes around, comes around as they say.

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But to answer the OP....yes there should be accountability...whoever it is holding us to account. And there are a number of countries being named and shamed...not just UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Farage says it's smoke from Germany though.

And there was me thinking that weather systems move from west to east globally...

But if Farage says it it must be true, its not like he has lied about anything to do with the EU.

So those there Germans must have built a big fan to send all our pollution back to us? You just cant trust these bloody krauts!

"

Perhaps you are too young to remember Chernobyl 1986 and the effects of fall out in UK & on offshore oil platforms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jee, I should have read whole thread before posting, oh well, same as others above

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"They must have borrowed it from the Russians.

Like how could all that radiation from Chernobyl get to the Welsh mountains and the lake district without one?

By travelling round the world and then being washed out by precipitation when the warm moist air of the Gulf Stream was forced upward and cooled when it hit the first mountain mass this side of the Atlantic (there is a reason that Briton is a green and pleasant land you know). Lots of fallout landed on the Rockies in the same way...

"

Oh and I just did a google search on Chernobyl fallout in the Rockys.

Not one page.

So wrong again.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Sheep from those areas in Wales and lake district were banned from the food chain for many years, not read anything about it lately in the farm press so it might be allowed in now,was kept pretty quiet onec the initial story died down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They must have borrowed it from the Russians.

Like how could all that radiation from Chernobyl get to the Welsh mountains and the lake district without one?

By travelling round the world and then being washed out by precipitation when the warm moist air of the Gulf Stream was forced upward and cooled when it hit the first mountain mass this side of the Atlantic (there is a reason that Briton is a green and pleasant land you know). Lots of fallout landed on the Rockies in the same way...

You could also take a look at this.

Pay particular attention at one minute in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU4_bJT8W3Y"

you are fairly spot on with that link and we were fairly badly effected

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I remember having to get fully suited up and fitted with B.A. equipment to change out gas turbine air intake filters on a regular basis due to the high count in the filters when DP rises.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"They must have borrowed it from the Russians.

Like how could all that radiation from Chernobyl get to the Welsh mountains and the lake district without one?

By travelling round the world and then being washed out by precipitation when the warm moist air of the Gulf Stream was forced upward and cooled when it hit the first mountain mass this side of the Atlantic (there is a reason that Briton is a green and pleasant land you know). Lots of fallout landed on the Rockies in the same way...

You could also take a look at this.

Pay particular attention at one minute in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU4_bJT8W3Y

you are fairly spot on with that link and we were fairly badly effected

.

I remember having to get fully suited up and fitted with B.A. equipment to change out gas turbine air intake filters on a regular basis due to the high count in the filters when DP rises."

That is why I'm easy to find in swinger club darkrooms.

My cock glows in the dark.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Sheep from those areas in Wales and lake district were banned from the food chain for many years, not read anything about it lately in the farm press so it might be allowed in now,was kept pretty quiet onec the initial story died down "

As far as I know there are still parts of Snowdonia and Denbyshire where there is still a ban on selling livestock that has been grazing on the hills. I seem to remember reading somewhere that they are using sheep and goats to graze the grass to remove caesium, iodine and strontium from the ground that is absorbed by the grass, but have found it passes through the animals and gets reabsorbed at a faster rate than was first estimated. Seem to remember the real problem is with the iodine for some reason. I believe some of the farmers are still finding abnormal lambs being born every spring. Don't know about Cumbria, that is not one of my stomping grounds.

I looked at that fallout map. But I am still fairly sure I remember seeing downwind fallout maps over weeks and months showing the plume extending over eastern USSR, USA Atlantic and Europe. In fact I am pretty positive that the reports said that it circumvented the world a number of times, but I could be wrong, it was a long time ago.

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London

Chernobyl not really very relevant to the thread.

Why is one throw away detail so important? Is defence of Farage the priority?

These are localised air quality problems driven mainly by vehicle NOx emissions.

The problem has been continuous over a long period and not really influenced by wind direction.

Actually coal powered power stations remotely located and charging electric cars would help this problem but renewable sources would be even better. Of course that would threaten jobs in the coal power industry...

The substantive question here us what is your opinion of a supranational organisation holding the three largest members of the EU to account?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

It's a good question. The eu environmental legislation is useful and as far as I understand has been rippled into uk law (I'll stand corrected if not)

But how is the government held to account if there is no eu control? I'd suggest that however the eu currently collates its evidence ( environment agency?) The same data will need to be used by another body so a British court does the same enforcement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I blame Volkswagon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Chernobyl not really very relevant to the thread.

Why is one throw away detail so important? Is defence of Farage the priority?

These are localised air quality problems driven mainly by vehicle NOx emissions.

The problem has been continuous over a long period and not really influenced by wind direction.

Actually coal powered power stations remotely located and charging electric cars would help this problem but renewable sources would be even better. Of course that would threaten jobs in the coal power industry...

The substantive question here us what is your opinion of a supranational organisation holding the three largest members of the EU to account?"

I am sure you are the one who initially threw in the comment on Farage and overseas pollution being blown over to the UK

and yes it does happen on a large scale, still, acid rain does make our buildings look nice.

Air Quality & weather conditions go hand in hand

.

How can air quality "not" be effected or influenced by wind direction and strength of wind???

.

If a coal power station is located remotely, does that mean less emission's into the atmosphere

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"Chernobyl not really very relevant to the thread.

Why is one throw away detail so important? Is defence of Farage the priority?

These are localised air quality problems driven mainly by vehicle NOx emissions.

The problem has been continuous over a long period and not really influenced by wind direction.

Actually coal powered power stations remotely located and charging electric cars would help this problem but renewable sources would be even better. Of course that would threaten jobs in the coal power industry...

The substantive question here us what is your opinion of a supranational organisation holding the three largest members of the EU to account?

I am sure you are the one who initially threw in the comment on Farage and overseas pollution being blown over to the UK

and yes it does happen on a large scale, still, acid rain does make our buildings look nice.

Air Quality & weather conditions go hand in hand

.

How can air quality "not" be effected or influenced by wind direction and strength of wind???

.

If a coal power station is located remotely, does that mean less emission's into the atmosphere "

So you replied to what I wrote without reading it.

Cool.

Carry on.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

'The substantive question here us what is your opinion of a supranational organisation holding the three largest members of the EU to account?'

It's a good thing, bit like the European Court.

Although our courts are supposed to be independent and generally are, the government does try to influence them and sometimes does. Can't do that so well with Europe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Chernobyl not really very relevant to the thread.

Why is one throw away detail so important? Is defence of Farage the priority?

These are localised air quality problems driven mainly by vehicle NOx emissions.

The problem has been continuous over a long period and not really influenced by wind direction.

Actually coal powered power stations remotely located and charging electric cars would help this problem but renewable sources would be even better. Of course that would threaten jobs in the coal power industry...

The substantive question here us what is your opinion of a supranational organisation holding the three largest members of the EU to account?

I am sure you are the one who initially threw in the comment on Farage and overseas pollution being blown over to the UK

and yes it does happen on a large scale, still, acid rain does make our buildings look nice.

Air Quality & weather conditions go hand in hand

.

How can air quality "not" be effected or influenced by wind direction and strength of wind???

.

If a coal power station is located remotely, does that mean less emission's into the atmosphere

So you replied to what I wrote without reading it.

Cool.

Carry on."

I read what you wrote and replied via commenting on what you wrote, not by following your wishes;

Things don't always go the way you wish on a thread, you will learn that as you grow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Expect more pollution to sweep across the channel.. Paris is burning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Expect more pollution to sweep across the channel.. Paris is burning."

surprised we've not heard more of this on the news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Expect more pollution to sweep across the channel.. Paris is burning.

surprised we've not heard more of this on the news"
.........20 no go areas in Paris...millions of pounds worth of damage and the riots are spreading across France...but not news worthy.....i wonder why....i wonder who's doing this rioting..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Expect more pollution to sweep across the channel.. Paris is burning.

surprised we've not heard more of this on the news.........20 no go areas in Paris...millions of pounds worth of damage and the riots are spreading across France...but not news worthy.....i wonder why....i wonder who's doing this rioting..?"

exactly. This should just about seal it for Le Pen

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Yes, she'll definitely come second.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, she'll definitely come second."
.....your track record for predicting out comes is terrible......please stop.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

These are indeed unusual times.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Expect more pollution to sweep across the channel.. Paris is burning.

surprised we've not heard more of this on the news.........20 no go areas in Paris...millions of pounds worth of damage and the riots are spreading across France...but not news worthy.....i wonder why....i wonder who's doing this rioting..?"

Well, the Star, Breitbart and The Express appear to be covering it. Which is grounds for suspicion in itself considering the shit Breitbart got in regarding the made up story of the sexual assaults in Germany.

-Matt

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Expect more pollution to sweep across the channel.. Paris is burning.

surprised we've not heard more of this on the news.........20 no go areas in Paris...millions of pounds worth of damage and the riots are spreading across France...but not news worthy.....i wonder why....i wonder who's doing this rioting..?

Well, the Star, Breitbart and The Express appear to be covering it. Which is grounds for suspicion in itself considering the shit Breitbart got in regarding the made up story of the sexual assaults in Germany.

-Matt"

When the fake news channel CNN start to cover it then it's time to worry if the story is genuine or not.

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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago

st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal


"Expect more pollution to sweep across the channel.. Paris is burning.

surprised we've not heard more of this on the news.........20 no go areas in Paris...millions of pounds worth of damage and the riots are spreading across France...but not news worthy.....i wonder why....i wonder who's doing this rioting..?"

Why ?....If its not on the news .... it doesn't exist , its not happening !

Besides.... racial riots don't exist in Europe , do they ? Only in the US under Obama .... and now Trump

Its been reported here in Portugal ! But that is probably because the media in this country are not yet completely lefty and PC....Oh and the fact that there are close to a million Portuguese national that reside in France

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Expect more pollution to sweep across the channel.. Paris is burning.

surprised we've not heard more of this on the news.........20 no go areas in Paris...millions of pounds worth of damage and the riots are spreading across France...but not news worthy.....i wonder why....i wonder who's doing this rioting..?

Why ?....If its not on the news .... it doesn't exist , its not happening !

Besides.... racial riots don't exist in Europe , do they ? Only in the US under Obama .... and now Trump

Its been reported here in Portugal ! But that is probably because the media in this country are not yet completely lefty and PC....Oh and the fact that there are close to a million Portuguese national that reside in France "

So strange not to see it in many newsites. I wonder why? And if it is happening why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Expect more pollution to sweep across the channel.. Paris is burning.

surprised we've not heard more of this on the news.........20 no go areas in Paris...millions of pounds worth of damage and the riots are spreading across France...but not news worthy.....i wonder why....i wonder who's doing this rioting..?

Why ?....If its not on the news .... it doesn't exist , its not happening !

Besides.... racial riots don't exist in Europe , do they ? Only in the US under Obama .... and now Trump

Its been reported here in Portugal ! But that is probably because the media in this country are not yet completely lefty and PC....Oh and the fact that there are close to a million Portuguese national that reside in France

So strange not to see it in many newsites. I wonder why? And if it is happening why?"

BBC reported worldwide protests that is anti globalization. They only say Philippines.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

It's been reported in the "lefty, PC" press too..

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/parsi-protesters-pictures-clashing-police-riots-anal-rape-young-man-cell-truncheon-racial-tension-a7582911.html

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"It's been reported in the "lefty, PC" press too..

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/parsi-protesters-pictures-clashing-police-riots-anal-rape-young-man-cell-truncheon-racial-tension-a7582911.html"

It was on the news last night too.

With pictures.

Some people drinking the Donald's cool aid?

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"Chernobyl not really very relevant to the thread.

Why is one throw away detail so important? Is defence of Farage the priority?

These are localised air quality problems driven mainly by vehicle NOx emissions.

The problem has been continuous over a long period and not really influenced by wind direction.

Actually coal powered power stations remotely located and charging electric cars would help this problem but renewable sources would be even better. Of course that would threaten jobs in the coal power industry...

The substantive question here us what is your opinion of a supranational organisation holding the three largest members of the EU to account?

I am sure you are the one who initially threw in the comment on Farage and overseas pollution being blown over to the UK

and yes it does happen on a large scale, still, acid rain does make our buildings look nice.

Air Quality & weather conditions go hand in hand

.

How can air quality "not" be effected or influenced by wind direction and strength of wind???

.

If a coal power station is located remotely, does that mean less emission's into the atmosphere

So you replied to what I wrote without reading it.

Cool.

Carry on.

I read what you wrote and replied via commenting on what you wrote, not by following your wishes;

Things don't always go the way you wish on a thread, you will learn that as you grow "

No. You didn't actually respond to anything pertinent to the post.

That is your way though.

Enjoy.

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