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"I hope the best for it and see they let go of their positions and compromise. But looking at two options is stupid Brexit or Remain :D. "What do you want? A 3 state solution? 4 states? 5? | |||
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"I hope the best for it and see they let go of their positions and compromise. But looking at two options is stupid Brexit or Remain :D.
What do you want? A 3 state solution? 4 states? 5? "lol. The more the merrier. Orgy!!!! I read "Negotiating to Yes". It talks about the positions we hold. We have to do it this way!!! But we don't go deeper and realist the problems we have are similar. | |||
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"Ideally learn to live together and share the land and power equally ! I can't see it happening but look at Northern Ireland ? Yes I know that's far from perfect but 20 years ago even what they have now was unthinkable .i would like Israel to be the bigger man here and start to build a better life for the Palestinians . This would Erode Hamas , Isis ect ! " So a one state solution then? | |||
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"They will never live together in peace, Only a intervention from "God" will sort that mess out"  | |||
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"Ideally learn to live together and share the land and power equally ! I can't see it happening but look at Northern Ireland ? Yes I know that's far from perfect but 20 years ago even what they have now was unthinkable .i would like Israel to be the bigger man here and start to build a better life for the Palestinians . This would Erode Hamas , Isis ect ! So a one state solution then? " I think thst would be best , share the land , but I can't see it tho ? Can you ? | |||
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"Ideally learn to live together and share the land and power equally ! I can't see it happening but look at Northern Ireland ? Yes I know that's far from perfect but 20 years ago even what they have now was unthinkable .i would like Israel to be the bigger man here and start to build a better life for the Palestinians . This would Erode Hamas , Isis ect ! " You do know that Palestinians living in East Jerusalem, The West Bank and the Gaza Strip do not have the right to vote in Israeli government elections? Nor have the right to leave the country without special state approval? In fact in East Jerusalem and The West Bank only Jews get a vote (no Jews live in the Gaza Ghetto). | |||
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"Ideally learn to live together and share the land and power equally ! I can't see it happening but look at Northern Ireland ? Yes I know that's far from perfect but 20 years ago even what they have now was unthinkable .i would like Israel to be the bigger man here and start to build a better life for the Palestinians . This would Erode Hamas , Isis ect ! You do know that Palestinians living in East Jerusalem, The West Bank and the Gaza Strip do not have the right to vote in Israeli government elections? Nor have the right to leave the country without special state approval? In fact in East Jerusalem and The West Bank only Jews get a vote (no Jews live in the Gaza Ghetto). " Yes and I think it is wrong ! I'm right wing but unlike some I take each issue on it's own merits ! Every one , no matter what religion should get full rights ! It's the only way ! | |||
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"Ideally learn to live together and share the land and power equally ! I can't see it happening but look at Northern Ireland ? Yes I know that's far from perfect but 20 years ago even what they have now was unthinkable .i would like Israel to be the bigger man here and start to build a better life for the Palestinians . This would Erode Hamas , Isis ect ! You do know that Palestinians living in East Jerusalem, The West Bank and the Gaza Strip do not have the right to vote in Israeli government elections? Nor have the right to leave the country without special state approval? In fact in East Jerusalem and The West Bank only Jews get a vote (no Jews live in the Gaza Ghetto). " Correction, no Jews are allowed in Gaza all Jews were made to leave in 2005. And the Hamas charter talks about driving the Jews into the sea (not the lsraelis; but Jews. ''Al Yahud'' | |||
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"Yes and I think it is wrong ! I'm right wing but unlike some I take each issue on it's own merits ! Every one , no matter what religion should get full rights ! It's the only way !" In all honesty can you see the ultra Orthodox Jewish right wing Zionists who continually disposes Palestinians of their lands and build fortified settlements across The West Bank ever allowing the people they persecute on a daily basis equal civil rights? I am sorry to say I cant, however I could see them arrive at their own final solution if the world stops watching them.  | |||
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" Correction, no Jews are allowed in Gaza all Jews were made to leave in 2005. And the Hamas charter talks about driving the Jews into the sea (not the lsraelis; but Jews. ''Al Yahud'' " Fair point. Extremist Palestinians have done a lot wrong. Terribly wrong. Has Israel? | |||
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"Yes and I think it is wrong ! I'm right wing but unlike some I take each issue on it's own merits ! Every one , no matter what religion should get full rights ! It's the only way ! In all honesty can you see the ultra Orthodox Jewish right wing Zionists who continually disposes Palestinians of their lands and build fortified settlements across The West Bank ever allowing the people they persecute on a daily basis equal civil rights? I am sorry to say I cant, however I could see them arrive at their own final solution if the world stops watching them. "No I can't but , if America threatened to cut support they might have to ! I see the Jewish right wing as no better than Hamas or Isis ! The same as I view Comunism and Fascism ! Maybe I like things too clear cut !  | |||
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"Ideally learn to live together and share the land and power equally ! I can't see it happening but look at Northern Ireland ? Yes I know that's far from perfect but 20 years ago even what they have now was unthinkable .i would like Israel to be the bigger man here and start to build a better life for the Palestinians . This would Erode Hamas , Isis ect ! So a one state solution then? I think thst would be best , share the land , but I can't see it tho ? Can you ? " With equal voting rights for all citizens? | |||
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"Correction, no Jews are allowed in Gaza all Jews were made to leave in 2005. And the Hamas charter talks about driving the Jews into the sea (not the lsraelis; but Jews. ''Al Yahud'' " So lets get this strait your correcting me... I said no Jews live in the Gaza Ghetto and you say this is wrong because no Jews are allowed into Gaza (expect for the ones in the tanks who go in to kill Palestinian children, and the ones in the planes that bomb hospitals, and the infantry and military engineers who go in to demolish peoples homes). And somehow you seem to think that the people the Jews of Israel have done this to for 70 years are the ones in the wrong. I know you are a supporter of the Jewish State, but cant you see that if you treat people that way for generations (remember there are now at least 3 generations of adults who have grown up under Israeli oppression) they will hate you and want to destroy you totally. | |||
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"Ideally learn to live together and share the land and power equally ! I can't see it happening but look at Northern Ireland ? Yes I know that's far from perfect but 20 years ago even what they have now was unthinkable .i would like Israel to be the bigger man here and start to build a better life for the Palestinians . This would Erode Hamas , Isis ect ! So a one state solution then? I think thst would be best , share the land , but I can't see it tho ? Can you ? With equal voting rights for all citizens?" Yes ! Why not ? | |||
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" Correction, no Jews are allowed in Gaza all Jews were made to leave in 2005. And the Hamas charter talks about driving the Jews into the sea (not the lsraelis; but Jews. ''Al Yahud'' Fair point. Extremist Palestinians have done a lot wrong. Terribly wrong. Has Israel?" That's not 'extreme' though. lt's pretty mainstream. Yes lsrael has done wrong. | |||
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"The two state solutions the only way forward. Even the israeli leader admitted this, the worry now is that he'll feel free to roll back if Trump lets him." Although i a gree there is one problem it legitimises terrorism and gives isis the hope that if they kill enough people eventually they get there way | |||
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"Ideally learn to live together and share the land and power equally ! I can't see it happening but look at Northern Ireland ? Yes I know that's far from perfect but 20 years ago even what they have now was unthinkable .i would like Israel to be the bigger man here and start to build a better life for the Palestinians . This would Erode Hamas , Isis ect ! So a one state solution then? I think thst would be best , share the land , but I can't see it tho ? Can you ? With equal voting rights for all citizens? Yes ! Why not ?" As the Palestinians outnumber the Jews they are likely to elect a Palestinian government, I wonder how the Jews would feel about that? | |||
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"Ideally learn to live together and share the land and power equally ! I can't see it happening but look at Northern Ireland ? Yes I know that's far from perfect but 20 years ago even what they have now was unthinkable .i would like Israel to be the bigger man here and start to build a better life for the Palestinians . This would Erode Hamas , Isis ect ! You do know that Palestinians living in East Jerusalem, The West Bank and the Gaza Strip do not have the right to vote in Israeli government elections? Nor have the right to leave the country without special state approval? In fact in East Jerusalem and The West Bank only Jews get a vote (no Jews live in the Gaza Ghetto). Correction, no Jews are allowed in Gaza all Jews were made to leave in 2005. And the Hamas charter talks about driving the Jews into the sea (not the lsraelis; but Jews. ''Al Yahud'' " Do you consider the Palestinians to be Israeli? | |||
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"A one state solution can be either apartheid where only isrealis get to vote and arabs and Palestinians dont get a vote.Or Everyone gets to vote and the Israelis are no longer in power.Isreal will choose neither one state or 2 state and keep it as it is." ...or you separate the two nations so they aren't fighting over the same piece of land. Would it be appropriate for Israel to find the Palestinians their own homeland somewhere? Would the rest of the world chip in? The next problem would be where... | |||
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"A one state solution can be either apartheid where only isrealis get to vote and arabs and Palestinians dont get a vote.Or Everyone gets to vote and the Israelis are no longer in power.Isreal will choose neither one state or 2 state and keep it as it is. ...or you separate the two nations so they aren't fighting over the same piece of land. Would it be appropriate for Israel to find the Palestinians their own homeland somewhere? Would the rest of the world chip in? The next problem would be where..." How could the rest of the world chip in land? | |||
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"A one state solution can be either apartheid where only isrealis get to vote and arabs and Palestinians dont get a vote.Or Everyone gets to vote and the Israelis are no longer in power.Isreal will choose neither one state or 2 state and keep it as it is. ...or you separate the two nations so they aren't fighting over the same piece of land. Would it be appropriate for Israel to find the Palestinians their own homeland somewhere? Would the rest of the world chip in? The next problem would be where..." Home is where the heart is . | |||
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"Many Arab countries in the region are now seeing Israel as an ally and not an enemy in the face of the growing threat from Iran so dynamics in the region are changing. " No they don't! The Sunni Salafists (who include all the Islamic Fundamentalist Jihadists) see Israel as blasphemy to be totally erased. However they consider Shia Islam to be an even greater blasphemy as they consider Shia's to be apostates and they believe it is the holy duty of all true believers to kill all apostates. If they can get the 'great satan' (USA) and its Jew blasphemy on Arab land to destroy the Shia stronghold that is Iran so much the better. That Trump is so ill-informed and so easily manipulated into siding with the very people he is so determined to destroy is very disturbing. One has to wonder has anyone explained the realities of the Islamic schism and how it effect regional politics in the Middle East or exactly who is who there? Or is this another case of Donny don't want to hear it, "get them out of here!" | |||
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"Jerusalem is the key.From a religous perspective its what they are all fighting over.The dome of the rock sitting atop the temple mount is symbolic of the problem.Who gets Jerusalem? Solve that issue and you get somewhere. " They could level it and put a McDonald's a costa and a subway on it, then they wouldn't have to fight over it. Or tell Trump he can build a hotel on the site and it will be levelled by Thursday lunch time! | |||
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"A one state solution can be either apartheid where only isrealis get to vote and arabs and Palestinians dont get a vote.Or Everyone gets to vote and the Israelis are no longer in power.Isreal will choose neither one state or 2 state and keep it as it is. ...or you separate the two nations so they aren't fighting over the same piece of land. Would it be appropriate for Israel to find the Palestinians their own homeland somewhere? Would the rest of the world chip in? The next problem would be where... How could the rest of the world chip in land? " The rest of the world would chip in cash. Who chips in the land and the location is probably harder. | |||
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" Or tell Trump he can build a hotel on the site and it will be levelled by Thursday lunch time! " Using illegal Polish immigrants  | |||
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"A one state solution can be either apartheid where only isrealis get to vote and arabs and Palestinians dont get a vote.Or Everyone gets to vote and the Israelis are no longer in power.Isreal will choose neither one state or 2 state and keep it as it is." It would have to be one country with Equal rights to work ! No one thought the whites in South Africa would but they did , do you never know ! | |||
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"ok try this for size . . and I stand to be corrected . I grew up being taught that Britain is the root cause of the middle east problems between the Palestinians and the Israelis.. Palestine, at that time was under British rule. Britain. after the war created the Jewish state of Israel taking land from Palestine. Was anyone else taught this? " Yep, I was also taught we were responsible for the slave trade. That was false too. | |||
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"ok try this for size . . and I stand to be corrected . I grew up being taught that Britain is the root cause of the middle east problems between the Palestinians and the Israelis.. Palestine, at that time was under British rule. Britain. after the war created the Jewish state of Israel taking land from Palestine. Was anyone else taught this? Yep, I was also taught we were responsible for the slave trade. That was false too." It was down to saying whatever they had to keep both the Arabs on board against Turkey and Jewish financing on board against Germany. WW1 They promised the the same land to both groups. Oops. After WW2 with rising terrorism in the area the UK wriggled out with UN "proposing" the formation of The Israel, for which there was naturally much sympathy in the West. However, that had consequences because somebody was going to lose their land... As ever, short term political expediency causing long term problems. The UK certainly made an awful lot of money out of slavery. Not the state directly, but private companies and individuals. I don't think that's a particularly controversial take. Very open to different views of either. | |||
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"Over time, if there is some land, anywhere, where Palestinians had adequate space, and infrastructure and potential for agriculture and business, they ultimately wouldn't care about the geography. The problem is nobody wants to give them this land or support and their obvious starting point is the land where they and their parents and grandparents lived." So that would be "Palestine" then? Look on a pre-war map and the whole area was called Palestine..... And lots of Jews already lived there, together with many Palestinian Arabs. There was already a one state solution...that state being Palestine. Judaism (being a Jew) is a religion. Post WW11 a guilty west decided to create a Jewish state......there is quite a similarity with ISIS wishing to create an Islamic state! And the tin lies a MAHOOSIVE PROBLEM......no I don't know the solution! | |||
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"Over time, if there is some land, anywhere, where Palestinians had adequate space, and infrastructure and potential for agriculture and business, they ultimately wouldn't care about the geography. The problem is nobody wants to give them this land or support and their obvious starting point is the land where they and their parents and grandparents lived. So that would be "Palestine" then? Look on a pre-war map and the whole area was called Palestine..... And lots of Jews already lived there, together with many Palestinian Arabs. There was already a one state solution...that state being Palestine. Judaism (being a Jew) is a religion. Post WW11 a guilty west decided to create a Jewish state......there is quite a similarity with ISIS wishing to create an Islamic state! And the tin lies a MAHOOSIVE PROBLEM......no I don't know the solution!" I don't disagree. I think everyone can see the problem. I'm just responding to the OPs question based on the situation as it is. | |||
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"Winston Churchill became colonial secretary in January 1921. The Middle East was now his. His responsibilities were enormous. He was in charge of drawing the map of much of the Middle East.Churchill's scheme was, in effect, to establish a series of pro-British client monarchies, all of whose rulers would owe Britain a debt of considerable gratitude simply for the fact that they were in power at all.Churchill made his mistakes, of which the most enduring was his failure to establish Kurdistan, a state for the Kurds, among the other new nations.Most of the results of this grandiose remaking of the map of the Middle East have remained till this day: Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Palestine(Israel)." Churchill had one of the most fascinating lives of the 20th century. I would highly recommend anyone reading any of the many biographies of his life. He has so many different careers in politics, journalism, the military. His time at the heart of government and his years in the wilderness. A very interesting character. | |||
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"Which is more likely to bring peace to both the Israelis and the Palestinians?" . Sadly I belive nether will bring peace, it's a concept beyond reality, the reality is both sides hate the fucking guts of the other side, both sides wish to see the extermination of the other, they both want the land the other has, they both have completely diametrically opposed religious views. The best solution is probably the one we have today and that's very sad | |||
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"Winston Churchill became colonial secretary in January 1921. The Middle East was now his. His responsibilities were enormous. He was in charge of drawing the map of much of the Middle East.Churchill's scheme was, in effect, to establish a series of pro-British client monarchies, all of whose rulers would owe Britain a debt of considerable gratitude simply for the fact that they were in power at all.Churchill made his mistakes, of which the most enduring was his failure to establish Kurdistan, a state for the Kurds, among the other new nations.Most of the results of this grandiose remaking of the map of the Middle East have remained till this day: Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Palestine(Israel). Churchill had one of the most fascinating lives of the 20th century. I would highly recommend anyone reading any of the many biographies of his life. He has so many different careers in politics, journalism, the military. His time at the heart of government and his years in the wilderness. A very interesting character." Also the film Young Windton is a good watch tho Probbally not fully historically actuate  | |||
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"Winston Churchill became colonial secretary in January 1921. The Middle East was now his. His responsibilities were enormous. He was in charge of drawing the map of much of the Middle East.Churchill's scheme was, in effect, to establish a series of pro-British client monarchies, all of whose rulers would owe Britain a debt of considerable gratitude simply for the fact that they were in power at all.Churchill made his mistakes, of which the most enduring was his failure to establish Kurdistan, a state for the Kurds, among the other new nations.Most of the results of this grandiose remaking of the map of the Middle East have remained till this day: Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Palestine(Israel). Churchill had one of the most fascinating lives of the 20th century. I would highly recommend anyone reading any of the many biographies of his life. He has so many different careers in politics, journalism, the military. His time at the heart of government and his years in the wilderness. A very interesting character. Also the film Young Windton is a good watch tho Probbally not fully historically actuate "I wonder what solution winston would have today.A long time ago it was proposed that Jerusalem became an international city belonging to neither israelis or Palestinians .A 3 state solution. I guess it would be demilitarized and UN peacekeepers maybe required.When two kids are fighting over a toy you take it away.The toy being Jerusalem. | |||
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"OMG! It's Churchill's fault. Must remember that the world started in the 1500's and that the British Empire is responsible for every evil in the world... Anyone smelling the BULLSHIT? Anyone notice the pile of brown excrement sitting under your noses? We did not cause the problems in the Middle East and especially Palestine, in fact if you open your minds just slightly you will all realise that the Arabs have been using religion as an excuse to murder and enslave each other and anyone else they can lay their hands on since the dawn of history! Just to be clear, what the fuck do you all think The book of Exodus is about? And exactly who do you think Ahasuerus (named in the Book of Esther) was? Let me give you a hint, there have been a number of films made about his fight with one Spartan king at a place called Thermopylae! Now I understand that we British believe that the sun moon and stars shine out of our arses. And that we have given the world everything. But like it or not we haven't, and the records show Arabs have been killing each other since the Bronze Age and probably since the Stone Age! "Yes i know weve all been killing each other since the begining. Alexander the great had a hard time taking Gaza in 323 bc .It took 3 attempts .Nothings changed there then. Churchill did draw all the straight lines on the map though unifying some dividing others.This map is the one we've got.Its the unholy land thats the problematic area.The crusaders and all the semetic people and arabs have shed blood in the desire to have Jerusalem. | |||
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"Which is more likely to bring peace to both the Israelis and the Palestinians?" Fuck the middle east problems Whats going to bring peace to the Leavers & Remainers  | |||
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"Which is more likely to bring peace to both the Israelis and the Palestinians? Fuck the middle east problems Whats going to bring peace to the Leavers & Remainers "A two state solution! | |||
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"Which is more likely to bring peace to both the Israelis and the Palestinians? Fuck the middle east problems Whats going to bring peace to the Leavers & Remainers
A two state solution!"I think we should claim the south and west. | |||
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"Which is more likely to bring peace to both the Israelis and the Palestinians? Fuck the middle east problems Whats going to bring peace to the Leavers & Remainers
A two state solution!I think we should claim the south and west. "Send the leavers to Scotland | |||
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"Which is more likely to bring peace to both the Israelis and the Palestinians? Fuck the middle east problems Whats going to bring peace to the Leavers & Remainers
A two state solution!I think we should claim the south and west.
Send the leavers to Scotland "You do have a point as there's already a wall that can be rebuilt.Perfect to create checkpoints and passport control.However i live in the costa del bomo so the climate up there isnt to my liking.I want the south you can have everything from midlands up. | |||
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"Which is more likely to bring peace to both the Israelis and the Palestinians? Fuck the middle east problems Whats going to bring peace to the Leavers & Remainers
A two state solution!I think we should claim the south and west.
Send the leavers to Scotland You do have a point as there's already a wall that can be rebuilt.Perfect to create checkpoints and passport control.However i live in the costa del bomo so the climate up there isnt to my liking.I want the south you can have everything from midlands up. "Ok il have midlands up to Hadrian wall and re build it | |||
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"Which is more likely to bring peace to both the Israelis and the Palestinians? Fuck the middle east problems Whats going to bring peace to the Leavers & Remainers
A two state solution!I think we should claim the south and west.
Send the leavers to Scotland You do have a point as there's already a wall that can be rebuilt.Perfect to create checkpoints and passport control.However i live in the costa del bomo so the climate up there isnt to my liking.I want the south you can have everything from midlands up.
Ok il have midlands up to Hadrian wall and re build it "Deal and i will throw in norfolk as a sweetener as there is fuck all there.I couldnt tempt you with taking essex aswell could i ? | |||
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"Which is more likely to bring peace to both the Israelis and the Palestinians? Fuck the middle east problems Whats going to bring peace to the Leavers & Remainers
A two state solution!I think we should claim the south and west.
Send the leavers to Scotland You do have a point as there's already a wall that can be rebuilt.Perfect to create checkpoints and passport control.However i live in the costa del bomo so the climate up there isnt to my liking.I want the south you can have everything from midlands up.
Ok il have midlands up to Hadrian wall and re build it Deal and i will throw in norfolk as a sweetener as there is fuck all there.I couldnt tempt you with taking essex aswell could i ?
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"Which is more likely to bring peace to both the Israelis and the Palestinians? Fuck the middle east problems Whats going to bring peace to the Leavers & Remainers
A two state solution!I think we should claim the south and west.
Send the leavers to Scotland You do have a point as there's already a wall that can be rebuilt.Perfect to create checkpoints and passport control.However i live in the costa del bomo so the climate up there isnt to my liking.I want the south you can have everything from midlands up.
Ok il have midlands up to Hadrian wall and re build it Deal and i will throw in norfolk as a sweetener as there is fuck all there.I couldnt tempt you with taking essex aswell could i ?
No but I'd like Cornwall please "Dream on.I might consider giving up Gloucestershire as the name is to long and ridiculous to pronounce. | |||
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"Which is more likely to bring peace to both the Israelis and the Palestinians? Fuck the middle east problems Whats going to bring peace to the Leavers & Remainers
A two state solution!I think we should claim the south and west.
Send the leavers to Scotland You do have a point as there's already a wall that can be rebuilt.Perfect to create checkpoints and passport control.However i live in the costa del bomo so the climate up there isnt to my liking.I want the south you can have everything from midlands up.
Ok il have midlands up to Hadrian wall and re build it Deal and i will throw in norfolk as a sweetener as there is fuck all there.I couldnt tempt you with taking essex aswell could i ?
No but I'd like Cornwall please Dream on.I might consider giving up Gloucestershire as the name is to long and ridiculous to pronounce. "Nooooooo I like Cornwall mind they mah go for independence as well lol | |||
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"Which is more likely to bring peace to both the Israelis and the Palestinians? Fuck the middle east problems Whats going to bring peace to the Leavers & Remainers
A two state solution!I think we should claim the south and west.
Send the leavers to Scotland You do have a point as there's already a wall that can be rebuilt.Perfect to create checkpoints and passport control.However i live in the costa del bomo so the climate up there isnt to my liking.I want the south you can have everything from midlands up.
Ok il have midlands up to Hadrian wall and re build it Deal and i will throw in norfolk as a sweetener as there is fuck all there.I couldnt tempt you with taking essex aswell could i ?
No but I'd like Cornwall please Dream on.I might consider giving up Gloucestershire as the name is to long and ridiculous to pronounce.
Nooooooo I like Cornwall mind they mah go for independence as well lol "If they do i am going to be the first in the que claiming asylum. Even if means getting on a dodgy inflatable boat and going down the coast. | |||
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