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"Professor Ted Malloch who is widely tipped to be Donald Trump's ambassador to the EU. Has said on Greek TV that Greek economists and officials are looking into the possibility of "Dollarisation" and ditching the Euro. To be fair Malloch is a staunch Brexiteer and could be just mischief making but just that the idea is even being floated must be setting pulses racing in Brussels and Berlin. Interesting times ahead methinks. "Are you talking about Greece using the US Dollar as their official currency? | |||
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"Professor Ted Malloch who is widely tipped to be Donald Trump's ambassador to the EU. Has said on Greek TV that Greek economists and officials are looking into the possibility of "Dollarisation" and ditching the Euro. To be fair Malloch is a staunch Brexiteer and could be just mischief making but just that the idea is even being floated must be setting pulses racing in Brussels and Berlin. Interesting times ahead methinks.
Are you talking about Greece using the US Dollar as their official currency? "That seems to be the idea being floated. | |||
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"Professor Ted Malloch who is widely tipped to be Donald Trump's ambassador to the EU. Has said on Greek TV that Greek economists and officials are looking into the possibility of "Dollarisation" and ditching the Euro. To be fair Malloch is a staunch Brexiteer and could be just mischief making but just that the idea is even being floated must be setting pulses racing in Brussels and Berlin. Interesting times ahead methinks.
Are you talking about Greece using the US Dollar as their official currency?
That seems to be the idea being floated."But isn’t the point of leaving the Euro so that they can devalue the currency? I doubt that Trump is going to let the Greeks have much input into the Federal Reserve. | |||
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"Professor Ted Malloch who is widely tipped to be Donald Trump's ambassador to the EU. Has said on Greek TV that Greek economists and officials are looking into the possibility of "Dollarisation" and ditching the Euro. To be fair Malloch is a staunch Brexiteer and could be just mischief making but just that the idea is even being floated must be setting pulses racing in Brussels and Berlin. Interesting times ahead methinks.
Are you talking about Greece using the US Dollar as their official currency?
That seems to be the idea being floated.
But isn’t the point of leaving the Euro so that they can devalue the currency? I doubt that Trump is going to let the Greeks have much input into the Federal Reserve."Must admit to not really knowing how it would work in detail. What it would do however is to allow Greece to go bankrupt and wipe out the debt overnight, something they cannot do while in the Euro. They could just adopt the dollar on a temporary basis until they can re-introduce the Drachma. It sounds a bit drastic and probably wont happen but just that it is being mentioned as an option will scare the shit out of the EU. Squeaky bum time for Frau Merkel et al. | |||
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"Professor Ted Malloch who is widely tipped to be Donald Trump's ambassador to the EU. Has said on Greek TV that Greek economists and officials are looking into the possibility of "Dollarisation" and ditching the Euro. To be fair Malloch is a staunch Brexiteer and could be just mischief making but just that the idea is even being floated must be setting pulses racing in Brussels and Berlin. Interesting times ahead methinks. "I like Ted Malloch, he was on BBC This Week programme with Andrew Neil a few weeks ago and said "I previously held a diplomatic role in Russia and helped to bring down the old USSR, now maybe another union needs taming? " He also said, "Didn't Mrs Merkel used to be a Mayor in Germany, maybe she should go back to doing that?" | |||
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"Professor Ted Malloch who is widely tipped to be Donald Trump's ambassador to the EU. Has said on Greek TV that Greek economists and officials are looking into the possibility of "Dollarisation" and ditching the Euro. To be fair Malloch is a staunch Brexiteer and could be just mischief making but just that the idea is even being floated must be setting pulses racing in Brussels and Berlin. Interesting times ahead methinks.
I like Ted Malloch, he was on BBC This Week programme with Andrew Neil a few weeks ago and said "I previously held a diplomatic role in Russia and helped to bring down the old USSR, now maybe another union needs taming? "
He also said, "Didn't Mrs Merkel used to be a Mayor in Germany, maybe she should go back to doing that?"
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"How in the world could Greece adopt the dollar that's like saying the UK or Russia or even Iran is gona adopt the dollar unless Greece becomes part of the us I highly doubt they could adopt the dollar " Surprisingly enough they can. Any country can (in theory) abolish its own currency and adopt grains of rice if they want to. The US dollar is an international reserve currency and any country can make it legal tender if they want to. It certainly doesn't come without a shit load of problems but the Greeks are already in a deep hole so some are thinking that it is worth exploring the possibility. | |||
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"How in the world could Greece adopt the dollar that's like saying the UK or Russia or even Iran is gona adopt the dollar unless Greece becomes part of the us I highly doubt they could adopt the dollar " . There's loads of countries that use the US dollar and there's loads that just peg there own to the dollar effectively making it the same thing, Saudi peg there's against the dollar and have done for decades the Swiss tried pegging theirs to the euro for ages and abandoned it a bit ago (it can cost you alot to do it). Ecuador, East Timor, Zimbabwe, El Salvador all use or at least used to use the dollar along with a hat full of Caribbean islands,I always travel with dollars as there pretty much accepted everywhere in the world | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation." and where do the loyalties of the people running the EU lie, when something like this can be considered? To the people? Or the 'project'? | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. and where do the loyalties of the people running the EU lie, when something like this can be considered? To the people? Or the 'project'?" Unsurprisingly, you have missed the point. | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. and where do the loyalties of the people running the EU lie, when something like this can be considered? To the people? Or the 'project'? Unsurprisingly, you have missed the point. " The point is, the EU could avoid the shite it is creating | |||
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"How in the world could Greece adopt the dollar that's like saying the UK or Russia or even Iran is gona adopt the dollar unless Greece becomes part of the us I highly doubt they could adopt the dollar Surprisingly enough they can. Any country can (in theory) abolish its own currency and adopt grains of rice if they want to. The US dollar is an international reserve currency and any country can make it legal tender if they want to. It certainly doesn't come without a shit load of problems but the Greeks are already in a deep hole so some are thinking that it is worth exploring the possibility. " basically he is floating the idea that the US dollar be used as "hard currency" in an unoffical capacity.... and a lot of countries where they have high inflation do this... however they would still need a local currency to do the exchange rate and keep it stable (for exchange this is what china did... and they pegged their local yuan to the dollar) cuba is also an example of a country that does this.... they are not going to actually pay people in US... but what i assume they would do is have official government backed "exchange rate booths" where they could so this.... the other issue is that for this to work they also have to limit the amount of us dollars people bring in/ coming into and leaving the country and the amount of money that can be exchanged at any one time.... | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. and where do the loyalties of the people running the EU lie, when something like this can be considered? To the people? Or the 'project'? Unsurprisingly, you have missed the point. The point is, the EU could avoid the shite it is creating" Re-Read, and pay particular attention to the words "urgent" and "disorderly". | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation." We also wonder the same about the fevered remainers who are so negative about anything to do with the UK, to the point seemingly of wanting the UK to fail post-Brexit; yet they are uber-positive about anything to do with the EU. | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. and where do the loyalties of the people running the EU lie, when something like this can be considered? To the people? Or the 'project'? Unsurprisingly, you have missed the point. The point is, the EU could avoid the shite it is creating Re-Read, and pay particular attention to the words "urgent" and "disorderly". " Why what difference does it make? Why don't the EU take 'urgent' action to prevent 'disorder' in Europe and actually solve problems and help people? | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. and where do the loyalties of the people running the EU lie, when something like this can be considered? To the people? Or the 'project'? Unsurprisingly, you have missed the point. The point is, the EU could avoid the shite it is creating Re-Read, and pay particular attention to the words "urgent" and "disorderly". Why what difference does it make? Why don't the EU take 'urgent' action to prevent 'disorder' in Europe and actually solve problems and help people?" I can answer that one, it's because the EU is a 'sloth like slow', and 'disorderly' bloc who can't actually solve problems or help people. | |||
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" I like Ted Malloch, " You would, he's another fucking liar like Nuttall. 'In Malloch’s book, he reportedly claims that his PBS documentary “was nominated for an Emmy award”. The FT reports on Thursday that a spokesman for the Television Academy, which awards the Emmys, could not find any record of the nomination. WFYI, the production company behind the documentary, said the film had been submitted for a Lower Great Lakes Chapter Regional Emmy but not nominated, the paper said. Malloch was involved in a previous documentary that was nominated for a Regional Emmy. The FT also reported that Malloch had claimed that Thatcher, while prime minister, described him as a “genius” and “global sherpa” at the start of a 1992 speech. “I have used the praise and moniker ever since,” Malloch wrote in the autobiography, which is subtitled “My Life Behind the Elite Curtain as a Global Sherpa”. According to the FT, a video of the event does not show Thatcher giving Malloch such accolades. Malloch told the FT the “global sherpa” comment was “an established fact” and that “about 2,500 people had heard” the remark. The FT says Malloch also wrote that he was “knighted in the Sovereign Order of St John by the Queen, Elizabeth II herself” and “to my family and closest friends, I am therefore known as Sir Ted”.' | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation." In a vain attempt to validate their flawed rhetoric for voting leave. The "failed project" of EU. With such huge debt the UK is much weaker than the EU on paper at least. Centralisation can be weak in a catastrophe sure, but there is plenty to be gained from cohesion too. | |||
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"Professor Ted Malloch who is widely tipped to be Donald Trump's ambassador to the EU. Has said on Greek TV that Greek economists and officials are looking into the possibility of "Dollarisation" and ditching the Euro. To be fair Malloch is a staunch Brexiteer and could be just mischief making but just that the idea is even being floated must be setting pulses racing in Brussels and Berlin. Interesting times ahead methinks. "This is the silliest idea I have heard this year does he not no it is valentnes day and not april fools day | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation." Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation." You do realise don't you; YOU are a Brexiter  | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war." There is a big difference in "championing the far right" and "rejecting the left". | |||
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"There is a big difference in "championing the far right" and "rejecting the left"." I don't think anyone could argue that Breitbart is a rejection of the left could they | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war." Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way? | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way? "I'm happy with the way WWII turned out, you on the other hand seem desperate to re-run it.  | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way?
I'm happy with the way WWII turned out, you on the other hand seem desperate to re-run it. "in preventing a German takeover of Europe? Maybe ye, or maybe its already too late | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way?
I'm happy with the way WWII turned out, you on the other hand seem desperate to re-run it.
in preventing a German takeover of Europe? Maybe ye, or maybe its already too late"It is ignorant to align the impressive work ethic that propels modern Germany to be a strong economic force in Europe with the right wing Trumpesk nazi party and doctrine which is not a German invention or ethos and persists in many populations in many countries across the world including the UK and USA The second world war was against the philosophy of the nazi NOT Germany or Germans the irony is so many who criticise the modern Germany and it's successes often share thoughts and beliefs that closely align with one of humanities real enemies ie fascism xenophobic tribal nationalism xxx | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way?
I'm happy with the way WWII turned out, you on the other hand seem desperate to re-run it.
in preventing a German takeover of Europe? Maybe ye, or maybe its already too late
It is ignorant to align the impressive work ethic that propels modern Germany to be a strong economic force in Europe with the right wing Trumpesk nazi party and doctrine which is not a German invention or ethos and persists in many populations in many countries across the world including the UK and USA
The second world war was against the philosophy of the nazi NOT Germany or Germans the irony is so many who criticise the modern Germany and it's successes often share thoughts and beliefs that closely align with one of humanities real enemies ie fascism xenophobic tribal nationalism xxx"Maybe its ignorant to not know that Nazi is a term for a socialist so I don't know how you could apply it to Trump and I have nothing against Germans just the influence they have over the EU, the way they have treated the southern states of Europe and the EU in general | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way?
I'm happy with the way WWII turned out, you on the other hand seem desperate to re-run it.
in preventing a German takeover of Europe? Maybe ye, or maybe its already too late
It is ignorant to align the impressive work ethic that propels modern Germany to be a strong economic force in Europe with the right wing Trumpesk nazi party and doctrine which is not a German invention or ethos and persists in many populations in many countries across the world including the UK and USA
The second world war was against the philosophy of the nazi NOT Germany or Germans the irony is so many who criticise the modern Germany and it's successes often share thoughts and beliefs that closely align with one of humanities real enemies ie fascism xenophobic tribal nationalism xxx
Maybe its ignorant to not know that Nazi is a term for a socialist so I don't know how you could apply it to Trump and I have nothing against Germans just the influence they have over the EU, the way they have treated the southern states of Europe and the EU in general"By your logic, "Nationalist" would also be a term for a Nazi.... | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way?
I'm happy with the way WWII turned out, you on the other hand seem desperate to re-run it.
in preventing a German takeover of Europe? Maybe ye, or maybe its already too late
It is ignorant to align the impressive work ethic that propels modern Germany to be a strong economic force in Europe with the right wing Trumpesk nazi party and doctrine which is not a German invention or ethos and persists in many populations in many countries across the world including the UK and USA
The second world war was against the philosophy of the nazi NOT Germany or Germans the irony is so many who criticise the modern Germany and it's successes often share thoughts and beliefs that closely align with one of humanities real enemies ie fascism xenophobic tribal nationalism xxx
Maybe its ignorant to not know that Nazi is a term for a socialist so I don't know how you could apply it to Trump and I have nothing against Germans just the influence they have over the EU, the way they have treated the southern states of Europe and the EU in general
By your logic, "Nationalist" would also be a term for a Nazi....
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"It doesn't come from my logic though, I didn't invent the word "So because the National Socialist German Workers' Party used the word socialist in their name they were socialists according to you. Therefore by your definition The Peoples Democratic Republic Korea (North Korea) is a democracy and The Peoples Republic of China is run by the People. I could carry on naming dictatorships that call themselves democratic or peoples republics but I am sure you get the message. Just because someone calls themselves something does not make them that. And those who use others false labels to score cheap political points and deflect attention away from their own unsavoury political ideologies expose themselves for what they are. | |||
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"It doesn't come from my logic though, I didn't invent the word
So because the National Socialist German Workers' Party used the word socialist in their name they were socialists according to you.
Therefore by your definition The Peoples Democratic Republic Korea (North Korea) is a democracy and The Peoples Republic of China is run by the People. I could carry on naming dictatorships that call themselves democratic or peoples republics but I am sure you get the message.
Just because someone calls themselves something does not make them that. And those who use others false labels to score cheap political points and deflect attention away from their own unsavoury political ideologies expose themselves for what they are. "the term nazi was used before the NSDWP existed, so take your ideologies elsewhere | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way?
I'm happy with the way WWII turned out, you on the other hand seem desperate to re-run it.
in preventing a German takeover of Europe? Maybe ye, or maybe its already too late
It is ignorant to align the impressive work ethic that propels modern Germany to be a strong economic force in Europe with the right wing Trumpesk nazi party and doctrine which is not a German invention or ethos and persists in many populations in many countries across the world including the UK and USA
The second world war was against the philosophy of the nazi NOT Germany or Germans the irony is so many who criticise the modern Germany and it's successes often share thoughts and beliefs that closely align with one of humanities real enemies ie fascism xenophobic tribal nationalism xxx
Maybe its ignorant to not know that Nazi is a term for a socialist so I don't know how you could apply it to Trump and I have nothing against Germans just the influence they have over the EU, the way they have treated the southern states of Europe and the EU in general
By your logic, "Nationalist" would also be a term for a Nazi....
It doesn't come from my logic though, I didn't invent the word "It is your logic to make inferences from it. National Socialism, as you ought to know, is an ideology seperate both from socialism and traditional nationalism - it is a mish mash of political ideas brought together in Mein Kampf, which is it's doctrine. Fascism, on the other hand is a much looser ideology. | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way?
I'm happy with the way WWII turned out, you on the other hand seem desperate to re-run it.
in preventing a German takeover of Europe? Maybe ye, or maybe its already too late
It is ignorant to align the impressive work ethic that propels modern Germany to be a strong economic force in Europe with the right wing Trumpesk nazi party and doctrine which is not a German invention or ethos and persists in many populations in many countries across the world including the UK and USA
The second world war was against the philosophy of the nazi NOT Germany or Germans the irony is so many who criticise the modern Germany and it's successes often share thoughts and beliefs that closely align with one of humanities real enemies ie fascism xenophobic tribal nationalism xxx
Maybe its ignorant to not know that Nazi is a term for a socialist so I don't know how you could apply it to Trump and I have nothing against Germans just the influence they have over the EU, the way they have treated the southern states of Europe and the EU in general
By your logic, "Nationalist" would also be a term for a Nazi....
It doesn't come from my logic though, I didn't invent the word
It is your logic to make inferences from it.
National Socialism, as you ought to know, is an ideology seperate both from socialism and traditional nationalism - it is a mish mash of political ideas brought together in Mein Kampf, which is it's doctrine.
Fascism, on the other hand is a much looser ideology.
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way?
I'm happy with the way WWII turned out, you on the other hand seem desperate to re-run it.
in preventing a German takeover of Europe? Maybe ye, or maybe its already too late
It is ignorant to align the impressive work ethic that propels modern Germany to be a strong economic force in Europe with the right wing Trumpesk nazi party and doctrine which is not a German invention or ethos and persists in many populations in many countries across the world including the UK and USA
The second world war was against the philosophy of the nazi NOT Germany or Germans the irony is so many who criticise the modern Germany and it's successes often share thoughts and beliefs that closely align with one of humanities real enemies ie fascism xenophobic tribal nationalism xxx
Maybe its ignorant to not know that Nazi is a term for a socialist so I don't know how you could apply it to Trump and I have nothing against Germans just the influence they have over the EU, the way they have treated the southern states of Europe and the EU in general
By your logic, "Nationalist" would also be a term for a Nazi....
It doesn't come from my logic though, I didn't invent the word
It is your logic to make inferences from it.
National Socialism, as you ought to know, is an ideology seperate both from socialism and traditional nationalism - it is a mish mash of political ideas brought together in Mein Kampf, which is it's doctrine.
Fascism, on the other hand is a much looser ideology.
The word was used before Mein Kampf"What has that got to do with what I've just written? I'm sure even Hitler used it before "wrote" Mein Kampf.... | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way?
I'm happy with the way WWII turned out, you on the other hand seem desperate to re-run it.
in preventing a German takeover of Europe? Maybe ye, or maybe its already too late
It is ignorant to align the impressive work ethic that propels modern Germany to be a strong economic force in Europe with the right wing Trumpesk nazi party and doctrine which is not a German invention or ethos and persists in many populations in many countries across the world including the UK and USA
The second world war was against the philosophy of the nazi NOT Germany or Germans the irony is so many who criticise the modern Germany and it's successes often share thoughts and beliefs that closely align with one of humanities real enemies ie fascism xenophobic tribal nationalism xxx
Maybe its ignorant to not know that Nazi is a term for a socialist so I don't know how you could apply it to Trump and I have nothing against Germans just the influence they have over the EU, the way they have treated the southern states of Europe and the EU in general
By your logic, "Nationalist" would also be a term for a Nazi....
It doesn't come from my logic though, I didn't invent the word
It is your logic to make inferences from it.
National Socialism, as you ought to know, is an ideology seperate both from socialism and traditional nationalism - it is a mish mash of political ideas brought together in Mein Kampf, which is it's doctrine.
Fascism, on the other hand is a much looser ideology.
The word was used before Mein Kampf
What has that got to do with what I've just written? I'm sure even Hitler used it before "wrote" Mein Kampf....
"well you mentioned Mein Kampf but ok the term was used well before Hitler came along. Maybe research it | |||
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"the term nazi was used before the NSDWP existed, so take your ideologies elsewhere" QED | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way?
I'm happy with the way WWII turned out, you on the other hand seem desperate to re-run it.
in preventing a German takeover of Europe? Maybe ye, or maybe its already too late
It is ignorant to align the impressive work ethic that propels modern Germany to be a strong economic force in Europe with the right wing Trumpesk nazi party and doctrine which is not a German invention or ethos and persists in many populations in many countries across the world including the UK and USA
The second world war was against the philosophy of the nazi NOT Germany or Germans the irony is so many who criticise the modern Germany and it's successes often share thoughts and beliefs that closely align with one of humanities real enemies ie fascism xenophobic tribal nationalism xxx
Maybe its ignorant to not know that Nazi is a term for a socialist so I don't know how you could apply it to Trump and I have nothing against Germans just the influence they have over the EU, the way they have treated the southern states of Europe and the EU in general
By your logic, "Nationalist" would also be a term for a Nazi....
It doesn't come from my logic though, I didn't invent the word
It is your logic to make inferences from it.
National Socialism, as you ought to know, is an ideology seperate both from socialism and traditional nationalism - it is a mish mash of political ideas brought together in Mein Kampf, which is it's doctrine.
Fascism, on the other hand is a much looser ideology.
The word was used before Mein Kampf
What has that got to do with what I've just written? I'm sure even Hitler used it before "wrote" Mein Kampf....
well you mentioned Mein Kampf but ok the term was used well before Hitler came along. Maybe research it"So what? I said that the doctrine of Nazism was contained in Mein Kampf, I made no claim that Hitler was the frst to use the term, did I? The two don't have anthing to do with each other. | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way?
I'm happy with the way WWII turned out, you on the other hand seem desperate to re-run it.
in preventing a German takeover of Europe? Maybe ye, or maybe its already too late
It is ignorant to align the impressive work ethic that propels modern Germany to be a strong economic force in Europe with the right wing Trumpesk nazi party and doctrine which is not a German invention or ethos and persists in many populations in many countries across the world including the UK and USA
The second world war was against the philosophy of the nazi NOT Germany or Germans the irony is so many who criticise the modern Germany and it's successes often share thoughts and beliefs that closely align with one of humanities real enemies ie fascism xenophobic tribal nationalism xxx
Maybe its ignorant to not know that Nazi is a term for a socialist so I don't know how you could apply it to Trump and I have nothing against Germans just the influence they have over the EU, the way they have treated the southern states of Europe and the EU in general
By your logic, "Nationalist" would also be a term for a Nazi....
It doesn't come from my logic though, I didn't invent the word "It wasn't the socialist part that caused it. It was the them vs us or the nationalist view that began it all. | |||
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"The Brexit fanatics and Trumpamaniacs in this country both seem to want to also see an urgent disorderly collapse of the EU. I mean... just why???? In days gone by they would have been hung as traitors for pursuing actions to the detriment of the Nation. 1) Donald Trumps America wants to make trade deals only where America is the prime benificiary. As far as the UK goes, that makes us a juinior trade partner - we get the shit end of the shovel. Clue.... "America First". There is not a single recorded moment where Trump has said that any country (let alone the UK) will get any kind of favoured trade deal. There is no shortage of footage where he expresses the absolute position of power that America will take in any and all future trade deals. 2) No country can survive economically when its close neighbour is in an economic meltdown and certainly the UK would suffer catastrophically in the event of an EU collapse. Makes you wonder just where the loyalties of the fevered Brexiters and Trumpamaniacs actually lie. It certainly is not with their Home Nation. Don't forget they are also championing and cheering the rise of the far right too. Last time we had that it lead to a world war. Lead to a war then because a 'European Union' was trying to be created by force. Maybe you'd prefer it if the war had gone the other way?
I'm happy with the way WWII turned out, you on the other hand seem desperate to re-run it.
in preventing a German takeover of Europe? Maybe ye, or maybe its already too late
It is ignorant to align the impressive work ethic that propels modern Germany to be a strong economic force in Europe with the right wing Trumpesk nazi party and doctrine which is not a German invention or ethos and persists in many populations in many countries across the world including the UK and USA
The second world war was against the philosophy of the nazi NOT Germany or Germans the irony is so many who criticise the modern Germany and it's successes often share thoughts and beliefs that closely align with one of humanities real enemies ie fascism xenophobic tribal nationalism xxx
Maybe its ignorant to not know that Nazi is a term for a socialist so I don't know how you could apply it to Trump and I have nothing against Germans just the influence they have over the EU, the way they have treated the southern states of Europe and the EU in general
By your logic, "Nationalist" would also be a term for a Nazi....
It doesn't come from my logic though, I didn't invent the word
It wasn't the socialist part that caused it. It was the them vs us or the nationalist view that began it all. "I thought what began it all was that it was a term for a peasant? | |||
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