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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

2 problems...

1. People going to a&e with trivial stuff

2. And a major one here.. Too many high paid managers introduced in the 80s. I worked in the nhs in late 80s and new layer of management where colleagues and myself were clueless as to what possible useful function they had.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Agree totally and a third problem

Too many people who need care but not nursing stuck in hospitals taking upbeds and time,

Oh and a fourth

We need to have an honest discussion how to fund health care without people shouting hands off the NHS,its not about selling it off its about getting it fit for an ageing population

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Health Tourism £2 Billion ++ per year

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Drastically cut Foreign Aid or stop totally until our UK health service is operational - not fixed, just operational.

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£12 -£15 Billion per year spent on foreign aid, corruption and to countries who least need it - India, Pakistan,

investigations to where the annual £12billion is spent has revealed how cash provided by the Department for International Development finds it way to convicted terrorists via the Palestine Liberation Organisation.

Other handouts have been used to teach British folk songs around the world and to fund a BBC Somali radio drama which provided practical tip for illegal migrants journeying to Europe, while millions of pounds of British taxpayer money are given to aid organisations in the US – the wealthiest country on earth

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It is time the UK used this cash to support the NHS and Social Services

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The elephant in the room is demographics.

The number of people aged 60 and over is projected to increase from 14.9m in 2014 to 21.9m by 2039. As part of this growth, the number of over-85s is estimated to more than double from 1.5 million in 2014 to 3.6 million by 2039.More than two-fifths of national health spending in the UK is devoted to people over 65 as of 2017.Its a grey timebomb.

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes


"The elephant in the room is demographics.

The number of people aged 60 and over is projected to increase from 14.9m in 2014 to 21.9m by 2039. As part of this growth, the number of over-85s is estimated to more than double from 1.5 million in 2014 to 3.6 million by 2039.More than two-fifths of national health spending in the UK is devoted to people over 65 as of 2017.Its a grey timebomb. "
So

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"The elephant in the room is demographics.

The number of people aged 60 and over is projected to increase from 14.9m in 2014 to 21.9m by 2039. As part of this growth, the number of over-85s is estimated to more than double from 1.5 million in 2014 to 3.6 million by 2039.More than two-fifths of national health spending in the UK is devoted to people over 65 as of 2017.Its a grey timebomb. "

So what do you think should be done about the elderly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The elephant in the room is demographics.

The number of people aged 60 and over is projected to increase from 14.9m in 2014 to 21.9m by 2039. As part of this growth, the number of over-85s is estimated to more than double from 1.5 million in 2014 to 3.6 million by 2039.More than two-fifths of national health spending in the UK is devoted to people over 65 as of 2017.Its a grey timebomb.

So what do you think should be done about the elderly? "
Raise income tax by 10% would be a start. The NHS budget needs to double by 2040.It needs another £100 billion to cope with an ageing population .If not the elderly will either die or have to go private.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

We are a rich country...I don't buy it that we have no money to fund the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The elephant in the room is demographics.

The number of people aged 60 and over is projected to increase from 14.9m in 2014 to 21.9m by 2039. As part of this growth, the number of over-85s is estimated to more than double from 1.5 million in 2014 to 3.6 million by 2039.More than two-fifths of national health spending in the UK is devoted to people over 65 as of 2017.Its a grey timebomb.

So what do you think should be done about the elderly? Raise income tax by 10% would be a start. The NHS budget needs to double by 2040.It needs another £100 billion to cope with an ageing population .If not the elderly will either die or have to go private."

So you are willing to pay 30% tax then ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The elephant in the room is demographics.

The number of people aged 60 and over is projected to increase from 14.9m in 2014 to 21.9m by 2039. As part of this growth, the number of over-85s is estimated to more than double from 1.5 million in 2014 to 3.6 million by 2039.More than two-fifths of national health spending in the UK is devoted to people over 65 as of 2017.Its a grey timebomb. "

Biggest problem is cuts to social services and the way this is funded.

NHS funding is from central Government.

Social care from local authorities.

Studies have repeatedly shown that for every £1 spent on social care provision it can save between £5 and £10 in the NHS.

For this to be put into practice their needs to be joined up funding and an oversight of all of it.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"We are a rich country...I don't buy it that we have no money to fund the NHS. "

That isn't an answer though is it. No matter how much money you have, if you don't plan for your outgoings you can very soon find yourself in trouble. As an example, just take a look at the debt that the country is in and by how much it grows on a daily basis.

The NHS has to be restructured and the way that it is paid for has to change because the current model is unsustainable. There are plenty of healthcare systems around the world that are better than the NHS and which are not like the US insurance based system.

The NHS was conceived when there were 9 people working for every 1 that wasn't and when life expectancy was 20 years less than it is today when only 5 are working for every 5 that are not. An ageing population and the increased need for more local social care is the biggest problem but the NHS as a whole has to be funded differently and I think we all have to be prepared to put some skin in the game.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The elephant in the room is demographics.

The number of people aged 60 and over is projected to increase from 14.9m in 2014 to 21.9m by 2039. As part of this growth, the number of over-85s is estimated to more than double from 1.5 million in 2014 to 3.6 million by 2039.More than two-fifths of national health spending in the UK is devoted to people over 65 as of 2017.Its a grey timebomb.

Biggest problem is cuts to social services and the way this is funded.

NHS funding is from central Government.

Social care from local authorities.

Studies have repeatedly shown that for every £1 spent on social care provision it can save between £5 and £10 in the NHS.

For this to be put into practice their needs to be joined up funding and an oversight of all of it."
You are right so why is goverment cutting funding to councils.The Local Government Association estimates a £2.6 billion gap in funding for adult social care by 2020.Half of this money is ear marked for the living wage. This short fall includes the 2% rise in council tax expected.

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