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"Arnold Schwarzenegger wants to smash his head on a desk, Robert de Niro wants to punch him in the mouth and Madonna wants to blow up the White House. Obviously everyone hates Trump!? Well, not quite. A new survey by the Royal Institute of International Affairs carried out amongst 10,000 people across 10 European states (all EU members!) posed the question: ‘All further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped’. An average of 55% agreed that all further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped, 25% neither agreed nor disagreed and 20% disagreed. The survey was carried out BEFORE President Trump’s executive order was announced. I searched the BBC and Sky websites for stories on the survey and found nothing, and then Googled the newspapers and only the Daily Mail and Independent have carried the story so far!? So, at least as far as Europe is concerned it would appear that the Trump hate-fest is confined to a small minority. As for the media silence here I must assume editors and journos are too embarrassed about the strength of feeling emanating from the people of the other member states of their beloved EU to make any mention of the survey. " ...The problem is the minority don't realise they are the minority. | |||
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"My part of Europe welcomes migration, but is concerned about the level of migration. Legitimate concerns about housing, schooling and hospitals. We get called "racist" but get this. A Government Agency has gone on record and asked local people to "stop being too kind" to the Syrian refugees that we are taking in! " A Facebook friend of mine had signed up to a "befriend a refugee" scheme. I'm guessing you show them around the local community, show them how to get a library card, how to use a self checkout in a supermarket, what a tv licence is etc. etc. Apparently the scheme was massively over subscribed as there were so many people wanting to help that there werent enough refugees to go around! So many people just wanted to help. Those are what I think of when it comes to British values, helping those less fortunate than yourself. Welcoming and sheltering desperate people. Its even on the Life in the UK test with questions about French Huguenots. Britain is proud of the Kindertransport as well as numerous other refugee schemes we have had. | |||
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"My part of Europe welcomes migration, but is concerned about the level of migration. Legitimate concerns about housing, schooling and hospitals. We get called "racist" but get this. A Government Agency has gone on record and asked local people to "stop being too kind" to the Syrian refugees that we are taking in! A Facebook friend of mine had signed up to a "befriend a refugee" scheme. I'm guessing you show them around the local community, show them how to get a library card, how to use a self checkout in a supermarket, what a tv licence is etc. etc. Apparently the scheme was massively over subscribed as there were so many people wanting to help that there werent enough refugees to go around! So many people just wanted to help. Those are what I think of when it comes to British values, helping those less fortunate than yourself. Welcoming and sheltering desperate people. Its even on the Life in the UK test with questions about French Huguenots. Britain is proud of the Kindertransport as well as numerous other refugee schemes we have had. " Exactly that. As soon as a newly arrived Syrian refugee family was identified, the local community was turning up with food, clothes, household appliances etc. Kind.and generous as it is, it must have been so bewildering to these people. | |||
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"I like him, a country have the right to do whatever it takes to protect itself, look at hungary, the extreme right wing party took control as eu didnt do anything over the immigration crisis, he said, if eu dont have a answer, we have the solution and now they dont got any problems, sweden should do the same ![]() Hungary has loads of problems; the far right President is a puppet of Putin. That's far bigger than a few refugees. | |||
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"I like him, a country have the right to do whatever it takes to protect itself, look at hungary, the extreme right wing party took control as eu didnt do anything over the immigration crisis, he said, if eu dont have a answer, we have the solution and now they dont got any problems, sweden should do the same ![]() Yes, but they did manage to control it better, by fencing up the country. | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns " Indeed ! problem is those PC brigrade Nazis will automatically expose you and label as an extreme right racist member of the kkk ! Of course the same doesn't apply if you support Racists movements like Black lives matter ! This is mostly a left wing typical double standard ! ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns Indeed ! problem is those PC brigrade Nazis will automatically expose you and label as an extreme right racist member of the kkk ! Of course the same doesn't apply if you support Racists movements like Black lives matter ! This is mostly a left wing typical double standard ! ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Im open to the facts, but 10,000 people over the EU is not even s minority poll. If it included Britsin as a surveyable eu nation then we are looking at a rain drop. Furthermore you really have to look at if any nations had a signifigantly higher population responce, as some nations, notibly eastern european ones and southern european ones, have a lower tolerance threshold for islam. Basically, wake me up if they get a million or near enough to reply. Until then, we cant really scale these figures up to, exstrpolate them as a pan-european tend." Why do you think eastern European and southern European have a lower tolerance threshold for Islam ? History my friend ! I suggest you learn some ! If you did know your history you would know that some of those countries were at some time either occupied or invaded by Islamic hordes ! besides personally I don't think being intolerant towards Islam is a bad thing ! After all its a very intolerant Religion towards everything Kaffir or Kuffar ! So dont ask me to be tolerant with intolerance ! ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Im open to the facts, but 10,000 people over the EU is not even s minority poll. If it included Britsin as a surveyable eu nation then we are looking at a rain drop. Furthermore you really have to look at if any nations had a signifigantly higher population responce, as some nations, notibly eastern european ones and southern european ones, have a lower tolerance threshold for islam. Basically, wake me up if they get a million or near enough to reply. Until then, we cant really scale these figures up to, exstrpolate them as a pan-european tend. Why do you think eastern European and southern European have a lower tolerance threshold for Islam ? History my friend ! I suggest you learn some ! If you did know your history you would know that some of those countries were at some time either occupied or invaded by Islamic hordes ! besides personally I don't think being intolerant towards Islam is a bad thing ! After all its a very intolerant Religion towards everything Kaffir or Kuffar ! So dont ask me to be tolerant with intolerance ! ![]() ![]() ![]() PC is in all of Europe? | |||
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" Why do you think eastern European and southern European have a lower tolerance threshold for Islam ? History my friend ! I suggest you learn some ! If you did know your history you would know that some of those countries were at some time either occupied or invaded by Islamic hordes ! besides personally I don't think being intolerant towards Islam is a bad thing ! After all its a very intolerant Religion towards everything Kaffir or Kuffar ! So dont ask me to be tolerant with intolerance ! ![]() ![]() ![]() Best sockpuppet account evaaaaa (Is that you doorsy?) | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns Indeed ! problem is those PC brigrade Nazis will automatically expose you and label as an extreme right racist member of the kkk ! Of course the same doesn't apply if you support Racists movements like Black lives matter ! This is mostly a left wing typical double standard ! ![]() .. ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns Indeed ! problem is those PC brigrade Nazis will automatically expose you and label as an extreme right racist member of the kkk ! Of course the same doesn't apply if you support Racists movements like Black lives matter ! This is mostly a left wing typical double standard ! ![]() Did someone offend you? | |||
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" Why do you think eastern European and southern European have a lower tolerance threshold for Islam ? History my friend ! I suggest you learn some ! If you did know your history you would know that some of those countries were at some time either occupied or invaded by Islamic hordes ! besides personally I don't think being intolerant towards Islam is a bad thing ! After all its a very intolerant Religion towards everything Kaffir or Kuffar ! So dont ask me to be tolerant with intolerance ! ![]() ![]() ![]() What ?? ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns Indeed ! problem is those PC brigrade Nazis will automatically expose you and label as an extreme right racist member of the kkk ! Of course the same doesn't apply if you support Racists movements like Black lives matter ! This is mostly a left wing typical double standard ! ![]() Explain to be how "Black lives matter" is racist, please? | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns Indeed ! problem is those PC brigrade Nazis will automatically expose you and label as an extreme right racist member of the kkk ! Of course the same doesn't apply if you support Racists movements like Black lives matter ! This is mostly a left wing typical double standard ! ![]() Fuck, you'll start a storm! Death of a thread. | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns Indeed ! problem is those PC brigrade Nazis will automatically expose you and label as an extreme right racist member of the kkk ! Of course the same doesn't apply if you support Racists movements like Black lives matter ! This is mostly a left wing typical double standard ! ![]() ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns Indeed ! problem is those PC brigrade Nazis will automatically expose you and label as an extreme right racist member of the kkk ! Of course the same doesn't apply if you support Racists movements like Black lives matter ! This is mostly a left wing typical double standard ! ![]() ![]() Tonyxpat. Bite bite. Or answer this. Is an expat an immigrant? | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns " And you can make the exact same argument for why young Muslim men are angry with you ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns Indeed ! problem is those PC brigrade Nazis will automatically expose you and label as an extreme right racist member of the kkk ! Of course the same doesn't apply if you support Racists movements like Black lives matter ! This is mostly a left wing typical double standard ! ![]() Easy ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns Indeed ! problem is those PC brigrade Nazis will automatically expose you and label as an extreme right racist member of the kkk ! Of course the same doesn't apply if you support Racists movements like Black lives matter ! This is mostly a left wing typical double standard ! ![]() ![]() Neither ![]() ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns Indeed ! problem is those PC brigrade Nazis will automatically expose you and label as an extreme right racist member of the kkk ! Of course the same doesn't apply if you support Racists movements like Black lives matter ! This is mostly a left wing typical double standard ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hmm this intrigues me. No difference for me. Just testing out my hypothesis. | |||
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"If the bloke truly wants a conversation about "black lives matter" and not just want to throw in untrue cheap shots.... I have that chat! Pop it in a new thread and we can do that there rather than hijack someone else's topic " Is that the same "Black lives matter" protesters that created havoc during the trump protests, the same "Black lives matter" group that were filmed throwing trash bins onto cars and at shop windows, instead of a peaceful protest. . Black Lives Matter is not the solution. They are part of the problem, a growing problem. | |||
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"If the bloke truly wants a conversation about "black lives matter" and not just want to throw in untrue cheap shots.... I have that chat! Pop it in a new thread and we can do that there rather than hijack someone else's topic Is that the same "Black lives matter" protesters that created havoc during the trump protests, the same "Black lives matter" group that were filmed throwing trash bins onto cars and at shop windows, instead of a peaceful protest. . Black Lives Matter is not the solution. They are part of the problem, a growing problem." They also elbowed a white supremacist so hard in the face the snowflake cried.Not the response i expected from a nazi.They dont make em like they used to.However the second time he got punched that week.He managed to hold in the tears. | |||
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"If the bloke truly wants a conversation about "black lives matter" and not just want to throw in untrue cheap shots.... I have that chat! Pop it in a new thread and we can do that there rather than hijack someone else's topic Is that the same "Black lives matter" protesters that created havoc during the trump protests, the same "Black lives matter" group that were filmed throwing trash bins onto cars and at shop windows, instead of a peaceful protest. . Black Lives Matter is not the solution. They are part of the problem, a growing problem.They also elbowed a white supremacist so hard in the face the snowflake cried.Not the response i expected from a nazi.They dont make em like they used to.However the second time he got punched that week.He managed to hold in the tears." they are all a bunch of fannies, the whole lot if them | |||
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"If the bloke truly wants a conversation about "black lives matter" and not just want to throw in untrue cheap shots.... I have that chat! Pop it in a new thread and we can do that there rather than hijack someone else's topic Is that the same "Black lives matter" protesters that created havoc during the trump protests, the same "Black lives matter" group that were filmed throwing trash bins onto cars and at shop windows, instead of a peaceful protest. . Black Lives Matter is not the solution. They are part of the problem, a growing problem.They also elbowed a white supremacist so hard in the face the snowflake cried.Not the response i expected from a nazi.They dont make em like they used to.However the second time he got punched that week.He managed to hold in the tears. they are all a bunch of fannies, the whole lot if them" I know ! Glad you agree.The new Alt.Right are just a lower case KKK.They dont have the balls or determination to carry on where others left off.Hitler must be turning in his grave at the thought of a white supremacist crying live on tv.After getting punched by a skinny liberal tree hugger.The shame... | |||
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"I am prepared to have this conversation with you hand/steve... but you have to acknowledge that my experience of life as a black man and yours as a white person are different and the way that certain parts of the establishment treat us differently..... Deal?" Deal? I don't tend to play by rules ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I am prepared to have this conversation with you hand/steve... but you have to acknowledge that my experience of life as a black man and yours as a white person are different and the way that certain parts of the establishment treat us differently..... Deal? Deal? I don't tend to play by rules ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I am prepared to have this conversation with you hand/steve... but you have to acknowledge that my experience of life as a black man and yours as a white person are different and the way that certain parts of the establishment treat us differently..... Deal?" if you care to start a thread, yes we can have a conversation, or indeed mail me direct it is also good to listen to views, I read and digest your views and other views here is another view; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFSfGHFH1J8 comments | |||
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"If the bloke truly wants a conversation about "black lives matter" and not just want to throw in untrue cheap shots.... I have that chat! Pop it in a new thread and we can do that there rather than hijack someone else's topic " Wow .... Hijack the topic ! Really Fabio! ![]() | |||
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"There's some lovely Moorish buildings down in your neck of the woods Steve...I mean Doors...I mean Dan, Tony that's it isn't it it's Tony, why not pay them a visit" Please Fatty5000, explain why you are calling me different names and even referred to me as a sockpuppet ? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"There's some lovely Moorish buildings down in your neck of the woods Steve...I mean Doors...I mean Dan, Tony that's it isn't it it's Tony, why not pay them a visit Please Fatty5000, explain why you are calling me different names and even referred to me as a sockpuppet ? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Untwist your panties tony dont be so precious. | |||
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"There's some lovely Moorish buildings down in your neck of the woods Steve...I mean Doors...I mean Dan, Tony that's it isn't it it's Tony, why not pay them a visit Please Fatty5000, explain why you are calling me different names and even referred to me as a sockpuppet ? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() oooohh Really .... could it be because the same comments regarding fatty5000 apply to you too ? ![]() | |||
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"There's some lovely Moorish buildings down in your neck of the woods Steve...I mean Doors...I mean Dan, Tony that's it isn't it it's Tony, why not pay them a visit Please Fatty5000, explain why you are calling me different names and even referred to me as a sockpuppet ? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"If the bloke truly wants a conversation about "black lives matter" and not just want to throw in untrue cheap shots.... I have that chat! Pop it in a new thread and we can do that there rather than hijack someone else's topic Is that the same "Black lives matter" protesters that created havoc during the trump protests, the same "Black lives matter" group that were filmed throwing trash bins onto cars and at shop windows, instead of a peaceful protest. . Black Lives Matter is not the solution. They are part of the problem, a growing problem.They also elbowed a white supremacist so hard in the face the snowflake cried.Not the response i expected from a nazi.They dont make em like they used to.However the second time he got punched that week.He managed to hold in the tears." ......Cowards sucker punch....real men go toe to toe. | |||
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"There's some lovely Moorish buildings down in your neck of the woods Steve...I mean Doors...I mean Dan, Tony that's it isn't it it's Tony, why not pay them a visit Please Fatty5000, explain why you are calling me different names and even referred to me as a sockpuppet ? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Dude i sm just pointing out you sound like a whiny girl.Not very alt right at all.Put your hand down those twisted panties find your balls.Its water off a ducks back. ![]() | |||
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"Tonyxpat. Bite bite. Or answer this. Is an expat an immigrant? Neither But I´m not telling you yet, as it seems you are too quick to rush to conclusions as to what my nick means ! If you were more careful in you analysis you would know ! But just out curiosity, what would be wrong with being an expat or immigrant ? " "Hmm this intrigues me. No difference for me. Just testing out my hypothesis." Glad you are intrigued..... but I say you are also confused , as there is a difference ! ![]() ![]() ![]() I wasn't asking if you were one. I had this conversation with a few Dutch people just before I posted. Some papers/people play with the definition. Here they refer to white people as expats. The rest as immigrants. I still haven't decided if I'll stay or move. So what am I from the true definition, I'm not sure. My hypothesis is that most people don't know the definition. I see from your cryptic message that you do. Analysis done. Sentence.rnd(100); | |||
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"There's some lovely Moorish buildings down in your neck of the woods Steve...I mean Doors...I mean Dan, Tony that's it isn't it it's Tony, why not pay them a visit Please Fatty5000, explain why you are calling me different names and even referred to me as a sockpuppet ? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Yeah it's about time you broke your fab duck isn't it? ![]() | |||
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"Tonyxpat. Bite bite. Or answer this. Is an expat an immigrant? Neither But I´m not telling you yet, as it seems you are too quick to rush to conclusions as to what my nick means ! If you were more careful in you analysis you would know ! But just out curiosity, what would be wrong with being an expat or immigrant ? " "Hmm this intrigues me. No difference for me. Just testing out my hypothesis." Glad you are intrigued..... but I say you are also confused , as there is a difference ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"There's some lovely Moorish buildings down in your neck of the woods Steve...I mean Doors...I mean Dan, Tony that's it isn't it it's Tony, why not pay them a visit Please Fatty5000, explain why you are calling me different names and even referred to me as a sockpuppet ? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Yes... you probably right "Its water off a ducks back." And I am probably wasting time responding ! You seem to find someone calling you a fake and a puppet acceptable ! My hat off to you , I suppose it either takes balls , or lack there of.... Stating the obvious, I would probably use my time better to get more meets set up , so I can actually , unlike some guys on here, use my Balls ![]() | |||
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"Tonyxpat. Bite bite. Or answer this. Is an expat an immigrant? Neither But I´m not telling you yet, as it seems you are too quick to rush to conclusions as to what my nick means ! If you were more careful in you analysis you would know ! But just out curiosity, what would be wrong with being an expat or immigrant ? " "Hmm this intrigues me. No difference for me. Just testing out my hypothesis." Glad you are intrigued..... but I say you are also confused , as there is a difference ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Tonyxpat. Bite bite. Or answer this. Is an expat an immigrant? Neither But I´m not telling you yet, as it seems you are too quick to rush to conclusions as to what my nick means ! If you were more careful in you analysis you would know ! But just out curiosity, what would be wrong with being an expat or immigrant ? " "Hmm this intrigues me. No difference for me. Just testing out my hypothesis." Glad you are intrigued..... but I say you are also confused , as there is a difference ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Either that, or you are flouncing because you've shown yourself up a bit. Bye bye sweetcheeks. | |||
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"There's some lovely Moorish buildings down in your neck of the woods Steve...I mean Doors...I mean Dan, Tony that's it isn't it it's Tony, why not pay them a visit Please Fatty5000, explain why you are calling me different names and even referred to me as a sockpuppet ? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhush, I'm working undercover catching cheating spouses | |||
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"Local law enforcement isn't too keen about helping Trump round up the illegals just based on resourcing and the need to not alienate the population for investigating crime. Unintended consequences I guess. http://newscdn.newsrep.net/h5/nrshare.html?r=3&lan=en_GB&pid=14&id=Z598f9ebcTb_uk&app_lan=&mcc=234&declared_lan=en_GB&pubaccount=ocms_0&referrer=200620&showall=1&mcc=234" Its fascinating ! All this big hype about Trumps deportation plan! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Local law enforcement isn't too keen about helping Trump round up the illegals just based on resourcing and the need to not alienate the population for investigating crime. Unintended consequences I guess. http://newscdn.newsrep.net/h5/nrshare.html?r=3&lan=en_GB&pid=14&id=Z598f9ebcTb_uk&app_lan=&mcc=234&declared_lan=en_GB&pubaccount=ocms_0&referrer=200620&showall=1&mcc=234 Its fascinating ! All this big hype about Trumps deportation plan! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I actually made a very neutral statement, so hold your horses and feel free to respond in kind. The concern expressed is not only for the policy proposal, which you seem to imply aren't intended to be carried out so not to be too concerning? Otherwise I'm not sure what the implication is. Trump's rhetoric is the main point of contention. Unless you believe it was accidentally divisive and didn't seek to blame the problems of America's poor on them. The fact that illegal immigrants are deported is not a concern to me. Is it practical? How much will it cost? What manner will it be carried out? I'm not sure why you bring up the other points other than to just bash Obama. To what end I have no idea. Some of your points are just assertions which despite not agreeing with you I've respected you for not doing before. Other points are rather out of context. Nobel peace prize awarded by some Swedes. So what? Their choice. Most authorised drone strikes by the President with the greatest access to the technology. Accumulated more debt after Highest debt after world's biggest financial crisis and an independent central bank decides to employ quantitative easing Greatest number of illegal aliens deported without getting anyone angry about it to achieve it by your own account Worst public speaker, in your opinion You tube videos of him scolding a reporter for accusing him of not caring about US hostages. Of him saying "er". Of him "throwing like a girl" of things he's said over 8 years that may be factually incorrect or inconsistent and the context of which neither of us have any idea. Come on. You used to post like a grown-up. | |||
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"Local law enforcement isn't too keen about helping Trump round up the illegals just based on resourcing and the need to not alienate the population for investigating crime. Unintended consequences I guess. http://newscdn.newsrep.net/h5/nrshare.html?r=3&lan=en_GB&pid=14&id=Z598f9ebcTb_uk&app_lan=&mcc=234&declared_lan=en_GB&pubaccount=ocms_0&referrer=200620&showall=1&mcc=234 Its fascinating ! All this big hype about Trumps deportation plan! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() It never ceases to amaze how upset and rattled some people get when one exposes number 44´s inadequacies and shortcomings, making an effort to deny them even in the face of evidence ! That dumb ass was a mere politician, cool.....maybe, more like arrogant and uncompromising , but certainly not a divine figure , although some on here revere him as such ! ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Local law enforcement isn't too keen about helping Trump round up the illegals just based on resourcing and the need to not alienate the population for investigating crime. Unintended consequences I guess. http://newscdn.newsrep.net/h5/nrshare.html?r=3&lan=en_GB&pid=14&id=Z598f9ebcTb_uk&app_lan=&mcc=234&declared_lan=en_GB&pubaccount=ocms_0&referrer=200620&showall=1&mcc=234 Its fascinating ! All this big hype about Trumps deportation plan! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Then why put the effort to find the videos and share them? To win an argument? Or to discuss further to find the truth? Or random. | |||
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" It never ceases to amaze how upset and rattled some people get when one exposes number 44´s inadequacies and shortcomings, making an effort to deny them even in the face of evidence ! That dumb ass was a mere politician, cool.....maybe, more like arrogant and uncompromising , but certainly not a divine figure , although some on here revere him as such ! ![]() ![]() ![]() I'm not particularly defending Obama. I'm just calling you out for nonsense ![]() | |||
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"I like how Tony responded to a post pointing out that he is just making assertions with...more assertions. Excellent stuff. Oh, and the 'Obama killed the most with drones of any US president ever!' is also excellent. And here I was thinking it was Lincoln." When you quote me, I suggest you copy paste so that its accurate! Either you cant read or deliberately distorted what I wrote...or both ! So I will repeat the original phrase : " - President with more authorisations signed for state sanctioned assassination with drone strikes." Granted punctuation is not perfect , but its clear the emphasis is clear on the purpose of the phrase which is the action , not the method of assassination ! lol...assertions with assertions ? Care to show where I do that ? Or are you deflecting as usual ? ![]() ![]() | |||
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" It never ceases to amaze how upset and rattled some people get when one exposes number 44´s inadequacies and shortcomings, making an effort to deny them even in the face of evidence ! That dumb ass was a mere politician, cool.....maybe, more like arrogant and uncompromising , but certainly not a divine figure , although some on here revere him as such ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() mmm... Nonsense ? Like what ? Care to elaborate ? Or are you just playing with words? ![]() ![]() | |||
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" It never ceases to amaze how upset and rattled some people get when one exposes number 44´s inadequacies and shortcomings, making an effort to deny them even in the face of evidence ! That dumb ass was a mere politician, cool.....maybe, more like arrogant and uncompromising , but certainly not a divine figure , although some on here revere him as such ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Its something that you come across occasionally, you don't like "thing x" so you therefore must like "thing y". In this case it is Obama and Trump. I'm not a fan of either, but of the two weevils, Obama is the lesser. | |||
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"Tony. Remember this... "And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!" And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Trump, Not Obama!" Well put ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Tony. Remember this... "And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!" And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Trump, Not Obama! Well put ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() But our beliefs are so vast. I think you mistaken some of us. There are those who defend Obama. But there are those who are wary of the USA, full stop. What political compass does that fall under? | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() So.... Some people, who you disagree with, don't understand how millions of people other than themselves feel, and yet somehow, you, the man of the people, do? You aren't the messiah, you're a very naughty boy. | |||
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"Tony. Remember this... "And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!" And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Trump, Not Obama! Well put ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Mmmmm... a very disoriented one , is my impression ! So you are wary of the US , but why is that ? I mean as opposed to what ? ![]() | |||
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"Tony. Remember this... "And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!" And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Trump, Not Obama! Well put ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Well the CIA backed military coup in South America. History tells us they're not 100% innocent. | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() Who are SJW? The left the liberals or the alt right? | |||
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"Tony. Remember this... "And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!" And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Trump, Not Obama! Well put ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Never said they were, or expect them to be ! And lest we forget that was mostly in the context of the cold war! One could say a lesser evil when compared to Marxist soviet expansion and export of the "Revolucion" ! | |||
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"Tony. Remember this... "And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!" And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Trump, Not Obama! Well put ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I'm sure the people of Chile feel the same. ![]() | |||
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"Tony. Remember this... "And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!" And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Trump, Not Obama! Well put ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I was expecting that one! ![]() ![]() | |||
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" Expected our Chilean friend to react first , but never mind ! With the benefit of hindsight , when one looks at Chile today , compared to most of its neighbours , was the CIA inspired coup a bad thing ? ![]() Well no. Pinochet was no better. You know the president is a socialist daughter of an exile? | |||
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"Tony. Remember this... "And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!" And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Trump, Not Obama! Well put ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Yes. If you think it was, I'd love to see you go there and explain your views. | |||
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"Tony. Remember this... "And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!" And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Trump, Not Obama! Well put ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() No it wasn't ! ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Tony. Remember this... "And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!" And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Trump, Not Obama! Well put ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Of course I don't agree. I don't agree that many south american revolutuions were Marxist, and the fact that the soviets wewn't should probably compound that. I don't agree that the atrocities comitted by Pinochet can ever have been "a good thing" whatever "shape" the country was in afterwards. And, to be honest, if you do think that Pinochet was a good thing because the country was better off after him, then you are saying that dissapearances and torture are legitimate as long as the means justify the ends, which makes you absoluteley no better than either the soviets or Castro. | |||
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"Tony. Remember this... "And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!" And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Trump, Not Obama! Well put ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Not saying that at all ! Pinochet was a lesser evil , when compared to what went on in other countries in the region ! and its not over ! Does Venezuela ring a bell ? ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Tony. Remember this... "And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!" And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Trump, Not Obama! Well put ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Again, try telling that to the people of Chile. | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() Are all you comments 'penned' when you are high ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() No. Are yours? | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() No madam | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() You do realise that my comments were directed towards the post you quoted and not you your one-sentence response, don't you? | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() Easy enough to quote that post then, isn't it. And your psychic abilities are showing again for knowing that it was by the male in the couple and not the female. Just as your psychic abilities are prominent in the rest of your posts ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() Its the male who posts. I didn't delete your comment, because I thought it was perfectly obvious to which part of the body text I was responding. Appanrently not. ![]() | |||
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"Tony. Remember this... "And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Sweden , Not London!" And lets not deflect and get off topic,the subject is Trump, Not Obama! Well put ! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() You insist , on not facing reality ! Here is what the Havard International Revue has to say : "For the past generation, Chile has been graced with the most stable democracy and economy in South America. Chileans boast some of the highest standards of living in Latin America, a fully functioning democracy, and one of the least corrupt and most efficient governments in the region. Nevertheless, in spite of the rapid expansion of civil and political rights since the country’s democratic transition in 1990, the presence of resolute and efficient institutions, and prolonged economic growth, socioeconomic inequality still abounds, a problem attributable to previous regimes’ failure to guarantee equal social services to all strata of society." its an extensive article, I will post the link in the end to save space , but the last paragraph concludes : "Chile’s economic restructuring has brought it to the regional forefront in terms of development and has made it into a model for economic competitiveness and market-based reforms. Nevertheless, market failures will always occur, and the Chilean government has to acquire the political will necessary to address the duality in its social services if it seriously aims to provide a durable social safety net. With luck, the recent earthquake and the election of a new government coalition will spur the creativity and political effort necessary to guarantee long-term social and economic stability." http://hir.harvard.edu/pressing-changesocioeconomic-inequality-in-chile-0/ This was back in 2010 ! Today after years of socialist rule , this is the situation : "Chile Economic Outlook February 14, 2017 Chile’s overall economic picture remained fairly gloomy heading into the new year, with growth lackluster and the economy operating considerably below potential. Economic activity in December rose at a sluggish pace, dragged down by contractions in mining and manufacturing, while consumer confidence dipped in January. Although business confidence jumped last month thanks to improved sentiment in the mining sector, this could be short-lived, as workers at the country’s Escondida mine began striking on 9 February after talks with the mine’s operator broke down. This looks set to depress exports of copper, the mainstay of the economy, in the near future. On the political scene, the latest polls put former center-right president Sebastian Piñera and leftist senator Alejandro Guillier as frontrunners for November’s presidential elections. Relatively unknown until recently, Guillier is campaigning on an anti-politics-as-usual platform and is likely to deepen Bachelet’s tax, labor and education reforms." http://www.focus-economics.com/countries/chile Now It seems all was well while centre right was in power! Socialists came in .....nose dive , that will stop, or get worse , depending on who wins the elections ! ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Duh; how do you know that? Or is it because you think that women in couples are too dumb to take part in discussions against that 'super-intellect' of yours? | |||
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" Expected our Chilean friend to react first , but never mind ! With the benefit of hindsight , when one looks at Chile today , compared to most of its neighbours , was the CIA inspired coup a bad thing ? ![]() Yes... and she screwed it up , as usual with most socialists ! ![]() ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() no, it's because its the bloke in that couple posting. | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Really? Jesus.... Do you want to stop digging now? | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() How do you know that? I think you are just making another assumption. Do enlighten me; how did you know for a fact that was the comment from the man within that couple? | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() So you are prone to making assumptions. Because at some point in the past it might have been him, now she is forbidden from posting? Is that how your mind works on that post and other matters too? | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Because he's referred to "himself" in the past, and also; his farm. | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Er, no. The writing style has not changed. | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() You are simply making assumptions. And it is not just about who it was in the couple who posted? It demonstrates a general trend in your way of thinking | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Sure ! if it makes you happy! ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Does it? I'm glad you are analysing my thought proceseses. Care to provide any evidence? Either way, my quote from "life of Brian" would have stood, whatever the gender of the poster..... | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() You have provided the evidence. What more evidence does anyone need to the fact that you make assumptions? It may be the man in the couple who posted that comment. Whilst the rest of sensible people are unsure, you made the assumption that it was him Anyhow, looking forward to the other assumptions you will continue to make on this thread. ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The point is, Tony, that bringing the attractiveness (or otherwise) of a female poster into the debare in order to score points is hardly fair on her, is it? | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I actually didn't, I posted a quote from Monty Python's "Life of Brian", verbatim. And you can't provide any evidence of me making assumptions in the past... Well done. ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() No, the credit goes to you for after posting that quote from Monty Python, you then went on to 'explain' why it was the male half of the couple who posted this particular comment ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Only because it was you who made that assumption, based on a quote whose point you didn't understand. So; it is not me who makes assumptions, but rather, you. | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Lol... seems you didn't get it! It was about humour... not scoring points! ![]() ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Humour for who? You? I like to think that on this forum the physical attraciveness (or otherwise) of a poster shouldn't really matter, after all, it has no bearing on their ability to construct an argument. To suggest (however ironically) that Josies photos may be a distraction to me, is pretty insulting to both her and me. | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Absolutely ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Just because this is a swingers' site, it doesn't mean that we are attracted to everyone here does it? Or more, importantly, that it makes any difference in the context of a political discussion. By "this forum", I did mean the politics forum... | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Lol, is this a politically correct position you are trying to take now Jimi? What was it you called the politically correct arguments being made against Labour's Gareth Snell during the recent Stoke by election again? Ah yes, I think you called it "tedious". ![]() | |||
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"The biggest problem as I see it is that the PC brigade dont understand how millions of people feel or perhaps dont care and the more they insult those they consider thick and unworthy the more they push people towards the political extremes, anyone speaking their mind is condemmed,we need free speech and we need each other to listen. That doesnt mean preaching violence or hate but expressing concerns ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I don't really think it's anything other than normal to suggest that the weight of someones opinion has little to do with how attractive they are physically. | |||
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" You insist , on not facing reality ! Here is what the Havard International Revue has to say : "For the past generation, Chile has been graced with the most stable democracy and economy in South America. Chileans boast some of the highest standards of living in Latin America, a fully functioning democracy, and one of the least corrupt and most efficient governments in the region. Nevertheless, in spite of the rapid expansion of civil and political rights since the country’s democratic transition in 1990, the presence of resolute and efficient institutions, and prolonged economic growth, socioeconomic inequality still abounds, a problem attributable to previous regimes’ failure to guarantee equal social services to all strata of society." its an extensive article, I will post the link in the end to save space , but the last paragraph concludes : "Chile’s economic restructuring has brought it to the regional forefront in terms of development and has made it into a model for economic competitiveness and market-based reforms. Nevertheless, market failures will always occur, and the Chilean government has to acquire the political will necessary to address the duality in its social services if it seriously aims to provide a durable social safety net. With luck, the recent earthquake and the election of a new government coalition will spur the creativity and political effort necessary to guarantee long-term social and economic stability." http://hir.harvard.edu/pressing-changesocioeconomic-inequality-in-chile-0/ This was back in 2010 ! Today after years of socialist rule , this is the situation : "Chile Economic Outlook February 14, 2017 Chile’s overall economic picture remained fairly gloomy heading into the new year, with growth lackluster and the economy operating considerably below potential. Economic activity in December rose at a sluggish pace, dragged down by contractions in mining and manufacturing, while consumer confidence dipped in January. Although business confidence jumped last month thanks to improved sentiment in the mining sector, this could be short-lived, as workers at the country’s Escondida mine began striking on 9 February after talks with the mine’s operator broke down. This looks set to depress exports of copper, the mainstay of the economy, in the near future. On the political scene, the latest polls put former center-right president Sebastian Piñera and leftist senator Alejandro Guillier as frontrunners for November’s presidential elections. Relatively unknown until recently, Guillier is campaigning on an anti-politics-as-usual platform and is likely to deepen Bachelet’s tax, labor and education reforms." http://www.focus-economics.com/countries/chile Now It seems all was well while centre right was in power! Socialists came in .....nose dive , that will stop, or get worse , depending on who wins the elections ! ![]() Let's get the facts into perspective. The reality. It's been a left/socialist country from 2000 to 2010. Glad you are complimenting the left parties. Then came a right wing millionaire, Piñera. Sound familiar? He did so bad, and is now in court for corruption during his presidency. Bachalet came back a second term to fix his mess. Your conclusions are wrong since you didn't know about the 10 year rule under left parties. | |||
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"And Piñera being in power most of this decade." That wasn't the point ! If you go back in the thread , you will realise the point was about the state of the country when Pinochet left power ! While dictatorships ( left and right wing) were unfortunately common in central and South America with all the abuse normally involved, Chile came out and transitioned into Democracy way ahead of all the others in terms of social and economic development and a working political Democratic system ! While this does not excuse Pinochet , it is in fact an exception that deserves mentioning! | |||
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"And Piñera being in power most of this decade. That wasn't the point ! If you go back in the thread , you will realise the point was about the state of the country when Pinochet left power ! While dictatorships ( left and right wing) were unfortunately common in central and South America with all the abuse normally involved, Chile came out and transitioned into Democracy way ahead of all the others in terms of social and economic development and a working political Democratic system ! While this does not excuse Pinochet , it is in fact an exception that deserves mentioning! " They were before the coup, democratically and economically strong. The issue was Allende nationalised our resources where American companies would lose out. They didn't intervene because we were a threat in democracy. They did it because they were financially benefit. How could it be not the point? You gave a report at two points in time that doesn't show the reality. 2 points make a line. The third point can disprove it and turns out it isn't straight. | |||
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"And Piñera being in power most of this decade. That wasn't the point ! If you go back in the thread , you will realise the point was about the state of the country when Pinochet left power ! While dictatorships ( left and right wing) were unfortunately common in central and South America with all the abuse normally involved, Chile came out and transitioned into Democracy way ahead of all the others in terms of social and economic development and a working political Democratic system ! While this does not excuse Pinochet , it is in fact an exception that deserves mentioning! They were before the coup, democratically and economically strong. The issue was Allende nationalised our resources where American companies would lose out. They didn't intervene because we were a threat in democracy. They did it because they were financially benefit. How could it be not the point? You gave a report at two points in time that doesn't show the reality. 2 points make a line. The third point can disprove it and turns out it isn't straight." Didn't Iran have a happy country until they decided to nationalise the UK and US controlled oil. Then the Shah. Then the Ayatollahs. That worked out beautifully ![]() | |||
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