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"Well having read through most of the white paper I am pretty clear as to what the uk government is trying to achieve. Also it has put to bed some of the missinformation about euratom, financial passports, security for citizens who are currently here or in other EU countries. The ball of decency and common sense is now firmly in the other court now "  | |||
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"'The paper says the British parliament has been sovereign throughout the UK’s EU membership, “but it has not always felt like that” FFS! Yet another referendum campaign lie of course." I think that we will be hearing much more about this once the various political parties have had the time to fully digest it. Taking back sovereignty was massive part of the Brexit pitch and now it seems that post Referendum that parliament always was sovereign anyway - "it just didn't feel like it." There was thread upon thread upon thread, just on this fucking website with Brexiters arguing fanatically that parliament was not sovereign and we had to take back control. Well today, you have it from the horse's mouth. We always were sovereign and we always did have control. So all of this angst and division and cost is not because of a factual certainty but because of a "feeling." Now who are the snowflakes??? | |||
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"'The paper says the British parliament has been sovereign throughout the UK’s EU membership, “but it has not always felt like that” FFS! Yet another referendum campaign lie of course. I think that we will be hearing much more about this once the various political parties have had the time to fully digest it. Taking back sovereignty was massive part of the Brexit pitch and now it seems that post Referendum that parliament always was sovereign anyway - "it just didn't feel like it." There was thread upon thread upon thread, just on this fucking website with Brexiters arguing fanatically that parliament was not sovereign and we had to take back control. Well today, you have it from the horse's mouth. We always were sovereign and we always did have control. So all of this angst and division and cost is not because of a factual certainty but because of a "feeling." Now who are the snowflakes??? " So we had control of movement between us and the EU ? Control of AG policy, of fishing regime etc etc no didnt think so and is this the best that the remainers have to comment about the white paper? | |||
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"'The paper says the British parliament has been sovereign throughout the UK’s EU membership, “but it has not always felt like that” FFS! Yet another referendum campaign lie of course. I think that we will be hearing much more about this once the various political parties have had the time to fully digest it. Taking back sovereignty was massive part of the Brexit pitch and now it seems that post Referendum that parliament always was sovereign anyway - "it just didn't feel like it." There was thread upon thread upon thread, just on this fucking website with Brexiters arguing fanatically that parliament was not sovereign and we had to take back control. Well today, you have it from the horse's mouth. We always were sovereign and we always did have control. So all of this angst and division and cost is not because of a factual certainty but because of a "feeling." Now who are the snowflakes??? So we had control of movement between us and the EU ? Control of AG policy, of fishing regime etc etc no didnt think so and is this the best that the remainers have to comment about the white paper?" To be fair, there isn't really much to go on. The white paper is pretty devoid of any actual detail or plan. It basically adds a bunch of waffle to the slides she presented last month. No actual substance. I do pity the poor bugger that was still working on it at 4am this morning. Guess that is why they got the Uk holiday allowance wrong. Then again, how long is parliamentary recess? -Matt | |||
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"The ball of decency and common sense is now firmly in the other court now " Decencys got nothing to do with it. The EU is going to make the best deal possible for themselves. And if countries think they can get a better deal leaving then there will be no EU. So, the survival of the EU means giving the UK as bad a deal as possible within WTO agreements. Unless the UK are going to leave the WTO next. | |||
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"The ball of decency and common sense is now firmly in the other court now Decencys got nothing to do with it. The EU is going to make the best deal possible for themselves. And if countries think they can get a better deal leaving then there will be no EU. So, the survival of the EU means giving the UK as bad a deal as possible within WTO agreements. Unless the UK are going to leave the WTO next." So they are going to cut off their nose to spite us, very mature and I am sure their business lobbies will be having a lot to say if thats the way it plays out | |||
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"The ball of decency and common sense is now firmly in the other court now Decencys got nothing to do with it. The EU is going to make the best deal possible for themselves. And if countries think they can get a better deal leaving then there will be no EU. So, the survival of the EU means giving the UK as bad a deal as possible within WTO agreements. Unless the UK are going to leave the WTO next." A leaked European Parliament committee report on Brexit has emerged which shows the EU wants to keep as close a ties with financial services in the city of London as possible. The report shows that the EU wants to keep financial services passporting rights with the city of London as freely as possible, any attempt to damage this will damage EU members economies and will damage the EU economy as a whole the report says. So it appears that the EU are looking for a good deal after all, especially on financial services around the city of London, and now Teresa May has another ace up her sleeve to play. | |||
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"The ball of decency and common sense is now firmly in the other court now Decencys got nothing to do with it. The EU is going to make the best deal possible for themselves. And if countries think they can get a better deal leaving then there will be no EU. So, the survival of the EU means giving the UK as bad a deal as possible within WTO agreements. Unless the UK are going to leave the WTO next. So they are going to cut off their nose to spite us, very mature and I am sure their business lobbies will be having a lot to say if thats the way it plays out" It's the UK that is cutting off its own nose to spite the EU. The EU couldn't give a fuck about UK; it has, after all been nothing but a disruptive and ignorant thorn in the side for years, and the EU mostly wishes that the UK had never joined. EU business lobbies are quite happy to see the back of UK. | |||
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"The London based soon to be Dublin based financial services? "That's not what the EU leaked report says. | |||
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"The London based soon to be Dublin based financial services?
That's not what the EU leaked report says. "but the uk will not be able to keep some of financial services which have to be kept inside countries inside the eu... so yes where it may be in the interest to keep london close.... it doesn't mean all the jobs will stay... so actually.... london based soon to be dublin based financial services would be correct..... and thats not the only big EU london based soon to be dublin based entitiy... the EU pharma council will likely go that way | |||
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"The London based soon to be Dublin based financial services?
That's not what the EU leaked report says. "I think you need to read the report properly ; you have misconstrued ( probably deliberately) what it actually says; and interpreted it selectively ( not surprising) The report was December; lots of water under the bridge since then. Anyway, isn't it a report by experts? I thought BREXITers knew that all experts know nothing and are always wrong.  | |||
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"The London based soon to be Dublin based financial services?
That's not what the EU leaked report says.
I think you need to read the report properly ; you have misconstrued ( probably deliberately) what it actually says; and interpreted it selectively ( not surprising)
The report was December; lots of water under the bridge since then.
Anyway, isn't it a report by experts?
I thought BREXITers knew that all experts know nothing and are always wrong.
"Well the report is basically saying uncertainty is uncertain and we dont like that. And financial markets dont like it either. The safest strategy is to keep things as similar as possible so its predictable. The report also makes these reccomendations assuming that Britain keeps to the "4 pillars" i.e. a soft Brexit. We now know this isnt going to happen. And this is a report from underlings who are considering a single facet. If the decision makers still believe that a good UK deal will be the death of the EU then it doesnt matter, survival of the EU trumps everything else. | |||
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"The London based soon to be Dublin based financial services?
That's not what the EU leaked report says.
I think you need to read the report properly ; you have misconstrued ( probably deliberately) what it actually says; and interpreted it selectively ( not surprising)
The report was December; lots of water under the bridge since then.
Anyway, isn't it a report by experts?
I thought BREXITers knew that all experts know nothing and are always wrong.
Well the report is basically saying uncertainty is uncertain and we dont like that. And financial markets dont like it either. The safest strategy is to keep things as similar as possible so its predictable.
The report also makes these reccomendations assuming that Britain keeps to the "4 pillars" i.e. a soft Brexit. We now know this isnt going to happen.
And this is a report from underlings who are considering a single facet. If the decision makers still believe that a good UK deal will be the death of the EU then it doesnt matter, survival of the EU trumps everything else."Exactly; As you say; it was an exploratory " what if" piece; but was written at a point when a " soft BREXIT " was a possibility. It isn't now; Everything has moved on massively, so this paper is now redundant. Current thinking is that it is now inevitable that financial centres will move to Europe. Under the UK government position at present, there is not any other option. | |||
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"Plus there won't be a deal done in two years. Nowhere near it. So it will be wto rules for years to come. These things are just too complicated to do quickly even with a civil service that is experienced in these things and fully staffed and with a competent government, not these useless dickheads. So in the meantime some of the financial sector will depart and learn to do without us. Dublin, New York, Paris, Madrid, Amsterdam and Frankfurt will pick up our business and we may never get it back. Such stupidity. " Since when did New York become part of the EU.  | |||
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"Well having read through most of the white paper I am pretty clear as to what the uk government is trying to achieve. Also it has put to bed some of the missinformation about euratom, financial passports, security for citizens who are currently here or in other EU countries. The ball of decency and common sense is now firmly in the other court now " What was the misinformation about euratom? The white paper says we will leave euratom and that is exactly what the science community feared and predicted. | |||
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"Well having read through most of the white paper I am pretty clear as to what the uk government is trying to achieve. Also it has put to bed some of the missinformation about euratom, financial passports, security for citizens who are currently here or in other EU countries. The ball of decency and common sense is now firmly in the other court now What was the misinformation about euratom? The white paper says we will leave euratom and that is exactly what the science community feared and predicted. " We leave euratom because we are members via the EU then we rejoin as the UK,thats why I said missinformation nota lie but deliberately missleading | |||
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"The ball of decency and common sense is now firmly in the other court now Decencys got nothing to do with it. The EU is going to make the best deal possible for themselves. And if countries think they can get a better deal leaving then there will be no EU. So, the survival of the EU means giving the UK as bad a deal as possible within WTO agreements. Unless the UK are going to leave the WTO next. So they are going to cut off their nose to spite us, very mature and I am sure their business lobbies will be having a lot to say if thats the way it plays out It's the UK that is cutting off its own nose to spite the EU. The EU couldn't give a fuck about UK; it has, after all been nothing but a disruptive and ignorant thorn in the side for years, and the EU mostly wishes that the UK had never joined. EU business lobbies are quite happy to see the back of UK. " Of course they were really unhappy with all the money we put in  and at last we see the truth,the EU masters would rather see their economies suffer than give up the superstate dream | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? " The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever" So, let's just recap.... Brexit was never about taking back control as the Govt confirmed yesterday that we were always sovereign anyway. Brexit was never about immigration - despite many on here saying before June 06th that they were voting out "just on immigration." And now.... Brexit has nothing to do with the NHS despite the official Leave group using the most notable and memorable electioneering tool of the campaign. A big red battle bus saying "We give £350 million a week to the EU, lets fund our NHS instead." To suggest that a red coloured bus offering an alternative between the EU and the NHS would not influence voters (particularly Labour voters) is simply not credible. That campaign slogan had a huge effect on a lot of voters. As an aside, if it was not about immigration, sovereignty or the NHS - what was it about? | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever" Then, why did the Vote Leave campaign run a 5 minute advert on prime time across all five main TV channels about the NHS and how it would be better post Brexit and we could spend £350M on it? -Matt | |||
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"The ball of decency and common sense is now firmly in the other court now Decencys got nothing to do with it. The EU is going to make the best deal possible for themselves. And if countries think they can get a better deal leaving then there will be no EU. So, the survival of the EU means giving the UK as bad a deal as possible within WTO agreements. Unless the UK are going to leave the WTO next. A leaked European Parliament committee report on Brexit has emerged which shows the EU wants to keep as close a ties with financial services in the city of London as possible. The report shows that the EU wants to keep financial services passporting rights with the city of London as freely as possible, any attempt to damage this will damage EU members economies and will damage the EU economy as a whole the report says. So it appears that the EU are looking for a good deal after all, especially on financial services around the city of London, and now Teresa May has another ace up her sleeve to play. " Teresa May has many aces up her sleeve and fool on anyone who thinks all is clear & open in the white paper  | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever" You are right.. nothing to do with brexit... but As an off shoot i am willing to bet that will come up as a major us demand in these us uk trade talks.... also betting trying to unban lots of us meat and diary Will come up as well | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever You are right.. nothing to do with brexit... but As an off shoot i am willing to bet that will come up as a major us demand in these us uk trade talks.... also betting trying to unban lots of us meat and diary Will come up as well " Does that mean we can export lamb and haggis | |||
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" Does that mean we can export lamb and haggis "Beef and lamb was banned because of mad cow disease.... and actually that ban was lifted as of February 1st......
The FDA will never allow in haggis | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever You are right.. nothing to do with brexit... but As an off shoot i am willing to bet that will come up as a major us demand in these us uk trade talks.... also betting trying to unban lots of us meat and diary Will come up as well Does that mean we can export lamb and haggis "Well, the UK signed an agreement with the US in July to do exactly that. But maybe Trump has torn that agreement up too? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/26/usa-set-to-import-british-beef-and-lamb-for-the-first-time-in-20/ -Matt | |||
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"The ball of decency and common sense is now firmly in the other court now Decencys got nothing to do with it. The EU is going to make the best deal possible for themselves. And if countries think they can get a better deal leaving then there will be no EU. So, the survival of the EU means giving the UK as bad a deal as possible within WTO agreements. Unless the UK are going to leave the WTO next. A leaked European Parliament committee report on Brexit has emerged which shows the EU wants to keep as close a ties with financial services in the city of London as possible. The report shows that the EU wants to keep financial services passporting rights with the city of London as freely as possible, any attempt to damage this will damage EU members economies and will damage the EU economy as a whole the report says. So it appears that the EU are looking for a good deal after all, especially on financial services around the city of London, and now Teresa May has another ace up her sleeve to play. Teresa May has many aces up her sleeve and fool on anyone who thinks all is clear & open in the white paper "Well there is nothing clear in the white paper because there is nothing in it. As to " aces up the sleeve" what on earth are you talking about? There is nothing " clever or secret" that the UK can produce. Neither can anyone else. It's simply a slog of proposal/ counter proposal until there is an agreement . | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever You are right.. nothing to do with brexit... but As an off shoot i am willing to bet that will come up as a major us demand in these us uk trade talks.... also betting trying to unban lots of us meat and diary Will come up as well Does that mean we can export lamb and haggis
Well, the UK signed an agreement with the US in July to do exactly that. But maybe Trump has torn that agreement up too?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/26/usa-set-to-import-british-beef-and-lamb-for-the-first-time-in-20/
-Matt"I wonder if "hand" will utter the words.... thanks Obama! Go on... I know he can do it | |||
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" Does that mean we can export lamb and haggis
Beef and lamb was banned because of mad cow disease.... and actually that ban was lifted as of February 1st......
The FDA will never allow in haggis"and what about Stornoway black pudding | |||
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"Just so people know what me and hand are on about... the reason why traditional haggis is banned in the us is that they don't consider any animals lungs fit for human consumption " Black pudding? | |||
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" Teresa May has many aces up her sleeve and fool on anyone who thinks all is clear & open in the white paper "Yes Im sure May has several earth shattering world spinning aces up her sleeve that nobody else is aware of or could even conceive of.... Youre grasping at straws, theres no hidden aces up anyones sleeve. Not for the EU or for the UK. The situations are pretty clear. Youve been watching too much tv if you think that this is going to end in a dark meeting room with everyone stressed and smoking when suddenly someone drops a bombshell that changes everything. How these negotiations actually work is 80% is already agreed before the formal negotiations start, sometimes more. Everyone knows whats on offer and there are no surprises. Sorry to burst your bubble. | |||
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"Just so people know what me and hand are on about " Hand? | |||
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"Well, I've read the white paper. It makes lots of good points about the EU. We should definitely join. " | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever" I thought the NHS had £350 million a week to do with BREXIT!! | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever I thought the NHS had £350 million a week to do with BREXIT!!" Yes; Ask your MP to demand to know when this will be given to the NHS | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever I thought the NHS had £350 million a week to do with BREXIT!! Yes; Ask your MP to demand to know when this will be given to the NHS" When did we leave the EU? . Have we left | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever I thought the NHS had £350 million a week to do with BREXIT!! Yes; Ask your MP to demand to know when this will be given to the NHS When did we leave the EU? . Have we left "No; but the government will be able to tell you when the £350m a week will start; It has already " pledged" to replace the EU funding for CAP and research in entirety; it can easily state when the NHS money will start; it will be 2 years to the day after Article 59 is notified, won't it? | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever I thought the NHS had £350 million a week to do with BREXIT!!" The Leave campaign said that £350 million per week could be spent on the NHS instead of spending that money on the EU. It's upto the government to implement that suggestion, the Leave campaign is not the government. | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever I thought the NHS had £350 million a week to do with BREXIT!! The Leave campaign said that £350 million per week could be spent on the NHS instead of spending that money on the EU. It's upto the government to implement that suggestion, the Leave campaign is not the government. " HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH... oh that is the best bit of distancing from the issue I've heard so far. So it is up to the government to implement the suggestion there, but the result of the referendum wasn't a suggestion but a mandate. The public really have been hoodwinked. -Matt | |||
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"The NHS was one of the central promises of the referendum campaign. What does the white paper pledge about that? The NHS has nothing to do with brexit whatsoever I thought the NHS had £350 million a week to do with BREXIT!! The Leave campaign said that £350 million per week could be spent on the NHS instead of spending that money on the EU. It's upto the government to implement that suggestion, the Leave campaign is not the government. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH... oh that is the best bit of distancing from the issue I've heard so far. So it is up to the government to implement the suggestion there, but the result of the referendum wasn't a suggestion but a mandate. The public really have been hoodwinked. -Matt" so you weren't hoodwinked but 17 million were? | |||
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