FabSwingers.com forum: Trump: 'We will build Mexico border wall'

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

This Morning

Donald Trump has said a "big day" is planned on national security, including an announcement to build a wall on the border between the US and Mexico

so the build process begins

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

The whole idea is ridiculous. But I am sure that property tycoon The Donald has loads of mates who will supply the concrete and construction workers (most Hispanic) to build it.

However a wall needs guarding and patrolling. It was not the Berlin Wall or the fence that kept people from fleeing Eastern Europe in the Soviet days, all they did was slow them down. It was the soldiers with rifles who shot dead anyone caught climbing the wall or fence that kept people in, and it is easier to keep people in than out (it takes longer to climb up a wall than it does to drop down from the top of a wall).

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

It's mostly trump bullshit;

700 miles of it already exist under the secure fence act 2006; the rest is monitored by surveillance devices.

They stopped building it when it was realised that the budget to build it would exceed the total budget for the border force for the next 20 years; and that they couldn't really patrol or monitor it, or maintain it effectively.

I suspect it is a bit of showmanship; he signs, says he is going to build a wall, in a few months or weeks he will show pictures of the already existing wall/ fence and tell everyone what a success " his" wall has been.

More alternative facts;

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's mostly trump bullshit;

700 miles of it already exist under the secure fence act 2006; the rest is monitored by surveillance devices.

More alternative facts;

Geeee

You should apply for a job as "Advisor" to Trump, I am sure he would benefit from all your "wisdom"

thanks for sharing

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Thing is, I am not sure what gets his disciples most excited - just building the wall or building it and getting someone else to pay for it.

As a matter of interest, by exactly what legal mechanism can you elect to build something and require someone else to pay for it? I never really understood that.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"It's mostly trump bullshit;

700 miles of it already exist under the secure fence act 2006; the rest is monitored by surveillance devices.

More alternative facts;

Geeee

You should apply for a job as "Advisor" to Trump, I am sure he would benefit from all your "wisdom"

thanks for sharing

You're welcome

But no I wouldn't apply for a job with Trump;

For moral reasons;

And because I only act as an advisor to people who listen and understand the advice they are given.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Thing is, I am not sure what gets his disciples most excited - just building the wall or building it and getting someone else to pay for it.

As a matter of interest, by exactly what legal mechanism can you elect to build something and require someone else to pay for it? I never really understood that.

I suspect that he is implying that the " punitive import taxes" that he threatens Mexico with, will pay for it.

Which is more nonsense, since if he stops all trade with Mexico, then there won't be any import taxes

You couldn't make this stuff up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did he not say that building would begin on his first day in office? I suppose he got sidetracked with more important issues. BTW, how many was actually at his coronation /inauguration?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Did he not say that building would begin on his first day in office? I suppose he got sidetracked with more important issues. BTW, how many was actually at his coronation /inauguration?

more than the press reported

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did he not say that building would begin on his first day in office? I suppose he got sidetracked with more important issues. BTW, how many was actually at his coronation /inauguration?

more than the press reported

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..but not as many as trump/Spicer said

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Trump his keeping his promise to the people who elected him. He promised to build a wall on his campaign trail and now he is carrying out that promise. So what is the problem then? People are sick and tired of politicians breaking their promises, saying one thing during election campaigns and then doing something else once they are elected. As least Trump is doing what he said he was gonna do.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Trump his keeping his promise to the people who elected him. He promised to build a wall on his campaign trail and now he is carrying out that promise. So what is the problem then? People are sick and tired of politicians breaking their promises, saying one thing during election campaigns and then doing something else once they are elected. As least Trump is doing what he said he was gonna do. "

Really?

He promised to get America working again, he has stopped all Federal recruitment. Any vacant post on the 22/1/2017 is not to be filled by presidential order.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Really?

He promised to get America working again, he has stopped all Federal recruitment. Any vacant post on the 22/1/2017 is not to be filled by presidential order."

This thread is about the wall on Mexico's border, he is keeping that promise, end of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

His long had he been in power ? Be realistic people all things take time you just cannot wave a wand and hey presto things take off right away.

Give it six months and then see what has been accomplished

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really?

He promised to get America working again, he has stopped all Federal recruitment. Any vacant post on the 22/1/2017 is not to be filled by presidential order.

This thread is about the wall on Mexico's border, he is keeping that promise, end of.

If you want to take the thread of on a tangent about jobs then fine, he just signed an executive order yesterday to begin construction on the new oil pipelines. That will create 28,000 new construction jobs. "
....yes he's gonna build pipelines through land he doesn't own,the owner of dpl is a large contributor and a close personal friend of his. The last time a yellowhair fucked with the Indians, well we all know how that went.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Ohh god

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the rest is monitored by surveillance devices.

This is exactly it. Anyone who knows anything about border patrol on the Mexican-American border knows that surveillance drones are the future of domestic border patrol. Its cheaper and more feasible. Not to mention that more illegal Mexicans are leaving American than entering.

But the fact of the matter is that unlike Democrat presidents, Trump is doing everything he said he would. He is fulfilling his promises one executive order at a time. And his voters probably love him for it.

Whether his actions are constitutional or indeed whether they actually fix the problems his suporters take issue with is quite another matter.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Thing is, I am not sure what gets his disciples most excited - just building the wall or building it and getting someone else to pay for it.

As a matter of interest, by exactly what legal mechanism can you elect to build something and require someone else to pay for it? I never really understood that.

There is/was a policy document on his campaign website. It was a two page thing on un-headed paper as a PDF which said something along the lines of they were going to alter the financial regulations to include Western Union and the likes such that any transfer via them (e.g. Mexicans sending money home) would be subject to a levy under the Know You Customer anti-funding-terrorism laws.

My gut feeling is that would have fallen well short of the funds he needed.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is good. I have seen one part of the border, there is a lake and no border guards, so everyone can enter, there is no reason why illegal aliens would enter, every country have its own right to defend itself, look at how good hungary have done, they have fenced up itself from the immigration crisis

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Thing is, I am not sure what gets his disciples most excited - just building the wall or building it and getting someone else to pay for it.

As a matter of interest, by exactly what legal mechanism can you elect to build something and require someone else to pay for it? I never really understood that.

Trade embargo

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Thing is, I am not sure what gets his disciples most excited - just building the wall or building it and getting someone else to pay for it.

As a matter of interest, by exactly what legal mechanism can you elect to build something and require someone else to pay for it? I never really understood that.

Trade embargo"

But there has to be some kind of precedent in International law that enables one country to choose to construct a physical border and get the bordering country to pay for it.

If there is no precedent, then Trump is being a fool to himself saying that it will happen because Mexico will easily be able to roll back all of Trumps speeches to point out the illegality of what he attempts do via punitive taxation (or similar).

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"His long had he been in power ? Be realistic people all things take time you just cannot wave a wand and hey presto things take off right away.

Give it six months and then see what has been accomplished

It's not us holding him to unrealistic expectations. TRUMP said he would start it on day 1. He didn't.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Thing is, I am not sure what gets his disciples most excited - just building the wall or building it and getting someone else to pay for it.

As a matter of interest, by exactly what legal mechanism can you elect to build something and require someone else to pay for it? I never really understood that.

Trade embargo

But there has to be some kind of precedent in International law that enables one country to choose to construct a physical border and get the bordering country to pay for it.

What he has confirmed in his latest interview is that the US taxpayer will pay for the wall and they will get payment back from Mexico. He said it may be via a 'complicated way' but they will get payment back. I guess that leaves him enough wiggle room to build the thing then come up with some convoluted plan that includes factoring in some kind of unprovable payment in kind. .eg. "They paid for the wall by NOT building that huge factory here [that they were never going to build]"... that sort of thing. The same way he has claimed he has created jobs by virtue of companies (e.g. Ford) NOT investing as much elsewhere.

-Matt

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Alternatively he'll just claim Mexico have paid. Despite them never having paid, or any evidence suggesting they have.

-Matt

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Thing is, I am not sure what gets his disciples most excited - just building the wall or building it and getting someone else to pay for it.

As a matter of interest, by exactly what legal mechanism can you elect to build something and require someone else to pay for it? I never really understood that.

Trade embargo

But there has to be some kind of precedent in International law that enables one country to choose to construct a physical border and get the bordering country to pay for it.

Cuba was a precedent

All he has to do is to place a trade embargo on Mexico. Their economy will start to suffer and perhaps they won't be able to pay for the entire wall but will be forced to pay for some of it

And no, he does not require international agreement for a US trade embargo

What will the world do? Place a trade embargo on the US? Unlikely

Whether it is right or wrong does not matter. He is keeping the promise he made to the people who voted for him

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"His long had he been in power ? Be realistic people all things take time you just cannot wave a wand and hey presto things take off right away.

Give it six months and then see what has been accomplished

It's not us holding him to unrealistic expectations. TRUMP said he would start it on day 1. He didn't."

Correct;

He started preparation's before he even took up presidency.

And now Planning has started, this is expected to take a couple of months

then construction begins

you don't go out building on day one unless you are a little piggy building with wood or straw.

President Trump will do it right, good planning and solid building

Mexico will pay for the wall, estimated cost $8bn (£6.4bn).

negotiations will start with Mexico relatively soon. And we will be - in a ""form"" - reimbursed by Mexico,

so again, you are correct, Trump didn't start on day one, he pre planned prior, then continued talks on day one and signed Wednesday.

Its not as if its the wall of china, its only 2000 miles long

Another promise held

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At its most basic, a wall, border or even a basic picket fence psychologically makes people feel safer—whether or not it does in fact.The Great Wall of China did little to halt Genghis Khan and his Mongolian army from conquering 13th century China.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"At its most basic, a wall, border or even a basic picket fence psychologically makes people feel safer—whether or not it does in fact.The Great Wall of China did little to halt Genghis Khan and his Mongolian army from conquering 13th century China. "

He also signed an action to strip funds from US cities that are sanctuaries for undocumented immigrants

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

He also signed an action to strip funds from US cities that are sanctuaries for undocumented immigrants"

And keep Guantamo open and reinstate torture.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Its not as if its the wall of china, its only 2000 miles long

No indeed. It is only half the length of the Great Wall of China. And their wall only took them in the most about 300 years to complete it (they did some minimal building work for the 2000 year beforehand). And Trump's wall is going to be twice as high.

So yeah, easy peasy.

-Matt

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

He also signed an action to strip funds from US cities that are sanctuaries for undocumented immigrants

And keep Guantamo open and reinstate torture.

The Guantanamo that Obama promised he would close but didn't.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Right, but the US already has a fence. Trump wants to build a solid wall 40' high.

-Matt

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Its not as if its the wall of china, its only 2000 miles long

So yeah, easy peasy.

-Matt "

Technology has moved on a fair bit since the Chinese built their wall.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Right, but the US already has a fence. Trump wants to build a solid wall 40' high.

-Matt"

I am sure he was quoted saying "part of the wall was already there", he would just complete what was started

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not as if its the wall of china, its only 2000 miles long

So yeah, easy peasy.

-Matt

Technology has moved on a fair bit since the Chinese built their wall. "
Walls are a very basic technology. More drones would be more effective and cheaper. A wall does a have psychological effect it protects and limits.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Its not as if its the wall of china, its only 2000 miles long

So yeah, easy peasy.

-Matt

Technology has moved on a fair bit since the Chinese built their wall. "

Indeed. And that technology costs even more.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Its not as if its the wall of china, its only 2000 miles long

So yeah, easy peasy.

-Matt

Technology has moved on a fair bit since the Chinese built their wall. Walls are a very basic technology. More drones would be more effective and cheaper. A wall does a have psychological effect it protects and limits."

I am sure there will be much more than a wall, more security, manning, drones, & strick penalties for any smugglers, any one sheltering and anyone caught entering illegally

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Right, but the US already has a fence. Trump wants to build a solid wall 40' high.

-Matt

I am sure he was quoted saying "part of the wall was already there", he would just complete what was started

No. They have a fence there. Trump promised a wall. A big solid wall.

-Matt

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Its not as if its the wall of china, its only 2000 miles long

So yeah, easy peasy.

-Matt

Someone commented on the amount of time it took to build the wall of China. They didn't have JCBs/diggers and heavy plant machinery or power tools then, nor did they have the supply chains for building materials that exist today. As for the use of drones that can be used in tandem with the wall to make it an even more effective new modern border.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me the wall is a symbolic statement.Style over substance.A fence and drones and more man power would be cheaper and more effective.Bricks and concrete is old skool.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Its not as if its the wall of china, its only 2000 miles long

So yeah, easy peasy.

-Matt

No, you are right they didn't have that machinery... but then they were not building as high and could rely on forced labour.

So the wall is estimated to need about 3 times the volume of concrete of the Hoover dam. Now, it might not be as challenging a construction as that... but that still took about 10 years planning and 5 years construction.

But hey... it would create jobs

And then as I overheard someone say a while back "A wall?! We've got a fucking moat and that doesn't keep the buggers out".

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They could always grow a hedge

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"They could always grow a hedge"

nope, have to import water

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"For me the wall is a symbolic statement.Style over substance.A fence and drones and more man power would be cheaper and more effective.Bricks and concrete is old skool.

I doubt many bricks will be used. Trump could just order pre-made, pre-fabricated reinforced concrete slabs and have them shipped to the site. Then cranes just lift the slabs and fit them together like a jigsaw.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"His long had he been in power ? Be realistic people all things take time you just cannot wave a wand and hey presto things take off right away.

Give it six months and then see what has been accomplished

It's not us holding him to unrealistic expectations. TRUMP said he would start it on day 1. He didn't.

Correct;

He started preparation's before he even took up presidency.

And now Planning has started, this is expected to take a couple of months

then construction begins

you don't go out building on day one unless you are a little piggy building with wood or straw.

President Trump will do it right, good planning and solid building

Mexico will pay for the wall, estimated cost $8bn (£6.4bn).

negotiations will start with Mexico relatively soon. And we will be - in a ""form"" - reimbursed by Mexico,

so again, you are correct, Trump didn't start on day one, he pre planned prior, then continued talks on day one and signed Wednesday.

Its not as if its the wall of china, its only 2000 miles long

Another promise held

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....a big beautiful wall,Mexico will pay for it,they just don't know it yet...l never heard such a load of codswallop in my life. Oh wait I did. He's going to investigate voting fraud, even though his own party know nothing about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me the wall is a symbolic statement.Style over substance.A fence and drones and more man power would be cheaper and more effective.Bricks and concrete is old skool.

I love how easy Trump supporters make this sound. If he is determined to build it, then he can go right ahead. But we shouldn't lie to ourselves about how difficult it is going to be. The landscape is very tricky and some estimates say it will cost 2-3 times Trump's estimate.

Not to mention that much of the border activity these days goes via tunnels under the ground. I'd be interested in how far down they are going to build this wall.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me the wall is a symbolic statement.Style over substance.A fence and drones and more man power would be cheaper and more effective.Bricks and concrete is old skool.

Not to mention that much of the border activity these days goes via tunnels under the ground. I'd be interested in how far down they are going to build this wall....."
....to paraphrase,trust me its gonna be great,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's all be honest.....it's a bit of a silly idea isn't it

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By *imited 3EditionCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England

"It's mostly trump bullshit;

700 miles of it already exist under the secure fence act 2006; the rest is monitored by surveillance devices.

More alternative facts;

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Let's all be honest.....it's a bit of a silly idea isn't it "

The concept is pathetic

Stupid and racist

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"For me the wall is a symbolic statement.Style over substance.A fence and drones and more man power would be cheaper and more effective.Bricks and concrete is old skool.

China are pretty good at making big concrete things.... he could order them from there

He could get them pre-cast with his face in them... like a 2000 mile long Mount Rushmore!

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's all be honest.....it's a bit of a silly idea isn't it

The concept is pathetic

Stupid and racist

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....much like the idiot who's pushing it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He could get them pre-cast with his face in them... like a 2000 mile long Mount Rushmore!

-Matt"

Don't give him any ideas, please! I can see it now - 2,000 fucking miles of trump's face cast into concrete and painted gold.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Let's all be honest.....it's a bit of a silly idea isn't it

The concept is pathetic

Stupid and racist

....much like the idiot who's pushing it "

Would that be the idiot who took on the US political machine in both parties plus large sections of the media and still won ? Not saying I am a fan but he is a winner like him or not

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"For me the wall is a symbolic statement.Style over substance.A fence and drones and more man power would be cheaper and more effective.Bricks and concrete is old skool.

China are pretty good at making big concrete things.... he could order them from there

He could get them pre-cast with his face in them... like a 2000 mile long Mount Rushmore!

-Matt"

Bizarrely; logistics dictate that the only companies who could build it are probably Mexican.

Shares in the largest Mexican concrete company have just gone stratospheric

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Thing is, I am not sure what gets his disciples most excited - just building the wall or building it and getting someone else to pay for it.

As a matter of interest, by exactly what legal mechanism can you elect to build something and require someone else to pay for it? I never really understood that.

Watch this space, This very very shrewd business man,Trump, will even find a way to have Mexico pay for it.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Thing is, I am not sure what gets his disciples most excited - just building the wall or building it and getting someone else to pay for it.

As a matter of interest, by exactly what legal mechanism can you elect to build something and require someone else to pay for it? I never really understood that.

Watch this space, This very very shrewd business man,Trump, will even find a way to have Mexico pay for it.

Like the way he has gotten Russia to ball out his businesses and finance his campaign? I'm not sure that is shrewd, I think they just have a lot of leverage over him financially.

-Matt

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"The whole idea is ridiculous. But I am sure that property tycoon The Donald has loads of mates who will supply the concrete and construction workers (most Hispanic) to build it.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"For me the wall is a symbolic statement.Style over substance.A fence and drones and more man power would be cheaper and more effective.Bricks and concrete is old skool.

China are pretty good at making big concrete things.... he could order them from there

He could get them pre-cast with his face in them... like a 2000 mile long Mount Rushmore!

-Matt

Bizarrely; logistics dictate that the only companies who could build it are probably Mexican.

Shares in the largest Mexican concrete company have just gone stratospheric

Whoa yeah, Cemex? They are about triple the price they were this time last year. They have been steadily rising all year though, so not sure if all Trump's doing. So i wonder which one of Trump hundreds of interlinked companies hold shares in Cemex?

-Matt

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Its not as if its the wall of china, its only 2000 miles long

So yeah, easy peasy.

-Matt "

Did Mexico pay for that one too?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Mexico's President has said 'No way Jose are we paying for a wall' so I can't imagine why Trump ever thought they would.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

*as Jose, toiling Mexican worker*

"How high you want theese wall, senior Trump?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mexico's President has said 'No way Jose are we paying for a wall' so I can't imagine why Trump ever thought they would.

There's more than one way to skin a cat. Add to the debt the Mexico owns or wipe out any debt that America owes them. Things aren't always like paying with cash.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ford have decided to spend 1.6Bn dollars on a new plant in Michigan instead of in Mexico so kudos to him for creating jobs for American citizens though. My personal beliefs is that huge businesses should keep as much money as possible circulating within its own economy

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By *onnyJohnMan
over a year ago

Doncaster

Really?

He promised to get America working again, he has stopped all Federal recruitment. Any vacant post on the 22/1/2017 is not to be filled by presidential order.

This thread is about the wall on Mexico's border, he is keeping that promise, end of.

If you want to take the thread of on a tangent about jobs then fine, he just signed an executive order yesterday to begin construction on the new oil pipelines. That will create 28,000 new construction jobs. ....yes he's gonna build pipelines through land he doesn't own,the owner of dpl is a large contributor and a close personal friend of his. The last time a yellowhair fucked with the Indians, well we all know how that went.

Building through land he doesn't own.... HS2 ? Or indeed any major infrastructure project in the last 50 years... they want to build it then they will.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

"Ford have decided to spend 1.6Bn dollars on a new plant in Michigan instead of in Mexico so kudos to him for creating jobs for American citizens though."

Not quite...

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14N1T0

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

"Mexico's President has said 'No way Jose are we paying for a wall' so I can't imagine why Trump ever thought they would.

There's more than one way to skin a cat. Add to the debt the Mexico owns or wipe out any debt that America owes them. Things aren't always like paying with cash."

US aid to Mexico is currently worth around 400m USD per year. So if the wall costs 8bn it should only take 20 years for Mexico to "pay" in "form" for the wall.

If Trump uses import tariffs to "pay" for the wall, then he'll be charging US consumers for the wall.

If Trump uses export tariffs he will widen their trade deficit with Mexico and he'll look silly even by Trumpian standards, most likely Mexico will pay for the imaginary wall in an imaginary form.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really?

He promised to get America working again, he has stopped all Federal recruitment. Any vacant post on the 22/1/2017 is not to be filled by presidential order.

This thread is about the wall on Mexico's border, he is keeping that promise, end of.

If you want to take the thread of on a tangent about jobs then fine, he just signed an executive order yesterday to begin construction on the new oil pipelines. That will create 28,000 new construction jobs. ....yes he's gonna build pipelines through land he doesn't own,the owner of dpl is a large contributor and a close personal friend of his. The last time a yellowhair fucked with the Indians, well we all know how that went.

Building through land he doesn't own.... HS2 ? Or indeed any major infrastructure project in the last 50 years... they want to build it then they will."
..the Dakota pipeline isn't a public infrastructure project. It's a private oI'll company running roughshod over an Indian reservation. And will go straight through their drinking water supply,and traditional burial grounds. It could be rerouted, but would cut into the profits of trump''s buddies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They will just tunnel under the wall !!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Roger Waters will have a "New Wall" to sing about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roger Waters will have a "New Wall" to sing about

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....slight change of lyrics though.

All and all

Its just another prick with a wall

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Really?

He promised to get America working again, he has stopped all Federal recruitment. Any vacant post on the 22/1/2017 is not to be filled by presidential order.

This thread is about the wall on Mexico's border, he is keeping that promise, end of.

If you want to take the thread of on a tangent about jobs then fine, he just signed an executive order yesterday to begin construction on the new oil pipelines. That will create 28,000 new construction jobs. ....yes he's gonna build pipelines through land he doesn't own,the owner of dpl is a large contributor and a close personal friend of his. The last time a yellowhair fucked with the Indians, well we all know how that went.

Building through land he doesn't own.... HS2 ? Or indeed any major infrastructure project in the last 50 years... they want to build it then they will...the Dakota pipeline isn't a public infrastructure project. It's a private oI'll company running roughshod over an Indian reservation. And will go straight through their drinking water supply,and traditional burial grounds. It could be rerouted, but would cut into the profits of trump''s buddies."

India is an Asian country whose indigenous people are Indians!

First Nations is the correct term for these people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really?

He promised to get America working again, he has stopped all Federal recruitment. Any vacant post on the 22/1/2017 is not to be filled by presidential order.

This thread is about the wall on Mexico's border, he is keeping that promise, end of.

If you want to take the thread of on a tangent about jobs then fine, he just signed an executive order yesterday to begin construction on the new oil pipelines. That will create 28,000 new construction jobs. ....yes he's gonna build pipelines through land he doesn't own,the owner of dpl is a large contributor and a close personal friend of his. The last time a yellowhair fucked with the Indians, well we all know how that went.

India is an Asian country whose indigenous people are Indians!

First Nations is the correct term for these people. "
....oh dear I've made a pc boo boo. The "first nations " refer to themselves as American Indians or native Indians. But do feel free to correct my terminology at any time,while trump and his buddies continue on a daily basis to assault and disenfranchise them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Really?

He promised to get America working again, he has stopped all Federal recruitment. Any vacant post on the 22/1/2017 is not to be filled by presidential order.

This thread is about the wall on Mexico's border, he is keeping that promise, end of.

If you want to take the thread of on a tangent about jobs then fine, he just signed an executive order yesterday to begin construction on the new oil pipelines. That will create 28,000 new construction jobs. ....yes he's gonna build pipelines through land he doesn't own,the owner of dpl is a large contributor and a close personal friend of his. The last time a yellowhair fucked with the Indians, well we all know how that went.

India is an Asian country whose indigenous people are Indians!

First Nations is the correct term for these people. "

Tell me?

were Asian's not first to populate America

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Really?

He promised to get America working again, he has stopped all Federal recruitment. Any vacant post on the 22/1/2017 is not to be filled by presidential order.

This thread is about the wall on Mexico's border, he is keeping that promise, end of.

If you want to take the thread of on a tangent about jobs then fine, he just signed an executive order yesterday to begin construction on the new oil pipelines. That will create 28,000 new construction jobs. ....yes he's gonna build pipelines through land he doesn't own,the owner of dpl is a large contributor and a close personal friend of his. The last time a yellowhair fucked with the Indians, well we all know how that went.

India is an Asian country whose indigenous people are Indians!

First Nations is the correct term for these people.

Tell me?

were Asian's not first to populate America

In reality , probably, given DNA and carbon dating; the most probable theory is that they were central Asians, ( Paleo-Indians) who migrated up to the Bering Straits area ( when it was still a land bridge, and then migrated across Nirth America and down the coast to South America .

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

His aggressive stance against Mexico has just ratcheted up another notch.

He is now suggesting next weeks meeting be cancelled "if Mexico doesn't want to pay for the badly needed wall."

Where is he going with this? He can get as aggressive as he wants but he MUST now that it would be NO BENEFIT at all to the United States to have an economic basket case on their southern border.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".the Dakota pipeline isn't a public infrastructure project. It's a private oI'll company running roughshod over an Indian reservation. And will go straight through their drinking water supply,and traditional burial grounds. It could be rerouted, but would cut into the profits of trump''s buddies."
.

I don't think that's quite true.

It was going to run through Indian reservation land but they refused the money so they moved it to army land I belive, there argument now is any leaks will still cause pollution to they're water which they see as sacred.

The truth is Indians land rights have been fucked over by the US government for decades... Trump is a dick but Hillary and Obama were also more than happy to crack skulls open in Dakota, they even oversaw locking up journalists from democracy now for reporting from there.

Like I said ALL that matters is trade and trade needs energy and even good people like Obama ain't gonna stop that!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Would be funny if the USA stop the funding Mexican drug interdiction to fund building the wall and the Mexicans reply in kind by stopping all anti drug smuggling operations and effectively telling the cartels that if they leave the Mexican people alone the Mexican authorities will not interfere with their cross border operations...

I think that could make the Donald fart so great that he may well follow through!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would be funny if the USA stop the funding Mexican drug interdiction to fund building the wall and the Mexicans reply in kind by stopping all anti drug smuggling operations and effectively telling the cartels that if they leave the Mexican people alone the Mexican authorities will not interfere with their cross border operations...

I think that could make the Donald fart so great that he may well follow through!

"
...you think flooding a country with illegal drugs would be funny.?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"you think flooding a country with illegal drugs would be funny.?"

I think that if Donald The Fart chooses to divert funding given to Mexico to help stop drugs entering the USA and use it to build a wall then it is perfectly reasonable for Mexcio to redeploy all the resources it has been using to protect the USA to protecting its own people and let the USA get on with protecting its people by building its wall.

Maybe you have a different view. If so maybe you would like to explain it to me. I may change my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you think flooding a country with illegal drugs would be funny.?

Maybe you have a different view. If so maybe you would like to explain it to me. I may change my opinion."
...I know what your saying...but would never find it funny.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"you think flooding a country with illegal drugs would be funny.?

Maybe you have a different view. If so maybe you would like to explain it to me. I may change my opinion....I know what your saying...but would never find it funny."

Unless you were under the influence of the smuggled product

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I know what your saying...but would never find it funny."

The USA have put a conman and criminal in the Whitehouse. The sooner and the more starkly that the American people are forced to confront the consequences of their actions the better. Maybe the Mexican President will do us all that favour, I doubt it.

Unfortunately I believe that May and others like her will now do everything they can to reduce effects of his actions and in that way curry favour with the Donald. Of course we all know there is no honour amongst thieves and we are the ones who will eventually pay the price of donny the fart.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you think flooding a country with illegal drugs would be funny.?

Maybe you have a different view. If so maybe you would like to explain it to me. I may change my opinion....I know what your saying...but would never find it funny.

Unless you were under the influence of the smuggled product

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...after losing a dear brother to the scourge of illegal drugs... I very much doubt it.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Unless you were under the influence of the smuggled product

I wish!

Haven't tasted space cake or had a hash cookie for decades. OK since my student days in the mid 70's.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"after losing a dear brother to the scourge of illegal drugs... I very much doubt it. "

Sorry for my flippant reply earlier, you have my sympathy.

On a slightly different note, I think the remark about being under the influence was aimed at me, and to be honest I found it quite amusing. Again sorry if I have moved this thread in a direction that has caused you distress, it was not my intention.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"after losing a dear brother to the scourge of illegal drugs... I very much doubt it.

Sorry for my flippant reply earlier, you have my sympathy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The war on drugs is over and drugs won!

The world's most extensive study of the drug trade has just been published in the medical journal BMJ Open, providing the first "global snapshot" of four decades of the war on drugs. You can already guess the result. The war on drugs could not have been a bigger failure. To sum up their most important findings, the average purity of heroin and cocaine have increased, respectively, 60 percent and 11 percent between 1990 and 2007. Cannabis purity is up a whopping 161 percent over that same time. Not only are drugs way purer than ever, they're also way, way cheaper. Coke is on an 80 percent discount from 1990, heroin 81 percent, cannabis 86 percent. After a trillion dollars spent on the drug war, now is the greatest time in history to get high.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"The war on drugs is over and drugs won!

Yep...

It is sad, everyone knows that the use of prohibition does not work. All it does is provide an environment where organised crime can flourish and grow. But the bible/quran (insert any other religious text) thumping conservatives who demand that everyone live in the way they decree continually rush to ban anything they do not approve of and for the most part we the sheeple follow meekly behind as they lead the way into another shitheap...

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"The war on drugs is over and drugs won!

Yep...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The war on drugs is over and drugs won!

Yep...

So you are saying that drugs should be freely available, perhaps you need to see some of the results from people getting hooked on them, you have already apologised for upsetting one poster who had a family member die from taking drugs, anyone who thinks using highly addictive drugs is anything but destructive to the person themselves their family and society in general is totally deluded"
Portugal decriminalised the possession of all drugs for personal use in 2001.The reality is that Portugal’s drug situation has improved significantly in several key areas. Most notably, HIV infections and drug-related deaths have decreased, while the dramatic rise in use feared by some has failed to materialise.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"The war on drugs is over and drugs won!

Yep...

I was a drugs/alcohol/mental health worker for a charity, in London for 10 years. I've seen it at the sharp end.

I understand your upset but as stated prohibition hasn't and doesn't work.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"So you are saying that drugs should be freely available, perhaps you need to see some of the results from people getting hooked on them, you have already apologised for upsetting one poster who had a family member die from taking drugs, anyone who thinks using highly addictive drugs is anything but destructive to the person themselves their family and society in general is totally deluded"

I know that in the 19th century Laudanum was available in any pharmacist and widely used and there were opium dens in most towns and cities but the problem was in the open and easily managed. I know there will always be some who become addicted to alkaloidal stimulants and depressants and also psychotropic substances. I know that drug use has spiralled out of control since the introduction of Controlled Substances Act 1970 and the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. I know that every time the authorities increase the punishments for trafficking the drugs cartels increase the potency of the drugs being supplied. I know that 40 years ago if you wanted cannabis you had to seriously go hunting for it because it was not available. I know that where ever I go now I can almost guarantee walking past someone openly smoking a joint.

Personally, I know that if I am in a hole I do not bet out by digging! I do not know we as a society do we all stop digging and that is more disturbing than anything.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"His aggressive stance against Mexico has just ratcheted up another notch.

He is now suggesting next weeks meeting be cancelled "if Mexico doesn't want to pay for the badly needed wall."

Where is he going with this? He can get as aggressive as he wants but he MUST now that it would be NO BENEFIT at all to the United States to have an economic basket case on their southern border."

looks like mexico called trumps bluff.... they have cancelled the meeting

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"His aggressive stance against Mexico has just ratcheted up another notch.

He is now suggesting next weeks meeting be cancelled "if Mexico doesn't want to pay for the badly needed wall."

Where is he going with this? He can get as aggressive as he wants but he MUST now that it would be NO BENEFIT at all to the United States to have an economic basket case on their southern border.

looks like mexico called trumps bluff.... they have cancelled the meeting"

Don't think Trump is going to lose any sleep over it to be honest.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

well in the last couple of minutes we have found out how the trump administration plans on paying for it....

a 20% tax on all imports coming in from mexico

that is against NAFTA rules... NAFTA is now basically dead...

that would also be against WTO rules as well...

can someone now say "trade war".... or it will have to be one hell of a climb down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Throwback to 2011 on the roast of Donald trump.

It's pronounced I'm fucking delusional. Not I'm running for president

Well worth watching

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"His aggressive stance against Mexico has just ratcheted up another notch.

He is now suggesting next weeks meeting be cancelled "if Mexico doesn't want to pay for the badly needed wall."

Where is he going with this? He can get as aggressive as he wants but he MUST now that it would be NO BENEFIT at all to the United States to have an economic basket case on their southern border.

looks like mexico called trumps bluff.... they have cancelled the meeting

Don't think Trump is going to lose any sleep over it to be honest. "

I actually think this is exactly the type of thing he does lose sleep over - he'll see it as a personal insult

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well in the last couple of minutes we have found out how the trump administration plans on paying for it....

a 20% tax on all imports coming in from mexico

that is against NAFTA rules... NAFTA is now basically dead...

that would also be against WTO rules as well...

can someone now say "trade war".... or it will have to be one hell of a climb down"

And by that Trump has shot himself in the foot because all those men in the street all those that voted for more jobs when they find out the Mexican things they have bought for years will be going up 20% they will be up in arms.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"His aggressive stance against Mexico has just ratcheted up another notch.

He is now suggesting next weeks meeting be cancelled "if Mexico doesn't want to pay for the badly needed wall."

Where is he going with this? He can get as aggressive as he wants but he MUST now that it would be NO BENEFIT at all to the United States to have an economic basket case on their southern border.

looks like mexico called trumps bluff.... they have cancelled the meeting

Don't think Trump is going to lose any sleep over it to be honest.

I actually think this is exactly the type of thing he does lose sleep over - he'll see it as a personal insult "

Yes; he is fucking furious;

His body language gave it away this afternoon; ( but already he is spinning it that he told the Mexicans not to visit).

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"His aggressive stance against Mexico has just ratcheted up another notch.

He is now suggesting next weeks meeting be cancelled "if Mexico doesn't want to pay for the badly needed wall."

Where is he going with this? He can get as aggressive as he wants but he MUST now that it would be NO BENEFIT at all to the United States to have an economic basket case on their southern border.

looks like mexico called trumps bluff.... they have cancelled the meeting

Don't think Trump is going to lose any sleep over it to be honest.

I actually think this is exactly the type of thing he does lose sleep over - he'll see it as a personal insult "

The Mexican President will be losing sleep if he loses all his trade to America that's for sure.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"well in the last couple of minutes we have found out how the trump administration plans on paying for it....

a 20% tax on all imports coming in from mexico

that is against NAFTA rules... NAFTA is now basically dead...

that would also be against WTO rules as well...

can someone now say "trade war".... or it will have to be one hell of a climb down

Maybe they will instead purchase American goods which will become cheaper in comparison. It is not as if Mexico produces anything that the Americans do not produce or could not produce

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"His aggressive stance against Mexico has just ratcheted up another notch.

He is now suggesting next weeks meeting be cancelled "if Mexico doesn't want to pay for the badly needed wall."

Where is he going with this? He can get as aggressive as he wants but he MUST now that it would be NO BENEFIT at all to the United States to have an economic basket case on their southern border.

looks like mexico called trumps bluff.... they have cancelled the meeting

Don't think Trump is going to lose any sleep over it to be honest.

I actually think this is exactly the type of thing he does lose sleep over - he'll see it as a personal insult

The Mexican President will be losing sleep if he loses all his trade to America that's for sure. "

Ok. I still think trump is more bothered by this than you seem to think he is.

The president of Mexico is being publicly laughed at by trump - he has to stand up for himself or be trump's bitch - and he made his choice. Let's see what trump does now.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

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