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"According to their high commissioner to the UK. Same as India. And we know what the EU Position is. " Your point being? | |||
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"This is already running CLCC stated one yesterday  "Like there aren't thousands of brexit threads already running. Let's try something else as its getting boring | |||
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"Yeah ok, when Australia relax theirs?? X" Approx. 23% of the Australian population are immigrants, FYI. You still like their points based system? | |||
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"Yeah ok, when Australia relax theirs?? X" Aussies cant get enough oil rig workers, onshore or offshore points system; they are begging you to work for them | |||
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"Yeah ok, when Australia relax theirs?? X Approx. 23% of the Australian population are immigrants, FYI. You still like their points based system?" . So How does their points based System work. . What is the required criteria, when immigrating to Australia? . Are immigrants to Australia, immediately entitled to receive benefits, and free health care? . The answers to these questions, Will make deciding whether too like their points system,or not,so much easier. . I Thank you in advance Joe. | |||
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"Yeah ok, when Australia relax theirs?? X Approx. 23% of the Australian population are immigrants, FYI. You still like their points based system? . So How does their points based System work. . What is the required criteria, when immigrating to Australia? . Are immigrants to Australia, immediately entitled to receive benefits, and free health care? . The answers to these questions, Will make deciding whether too like their points system,or not,so much easier. . I Thank you in advance Joe. " find a job first with a large company or corporation Joe, they will do all the paperwork for you | |||
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" . So How does their points based System work. . What is the required criteria, when immigrating to Australia? . Are immigrants to Australia, immediately entitled to receive benefits, and free health care? . The answers to these questions, Will make deciding whether too like their points system,or not,so much easier. . I Thank you in advance Joe. " Criteria depends on qualifications ; and each state in Australia has its list of trades, skills and professions that they need. If you have relatives in Australia ( who are Australian citizens) they can " claim" you, and you can enter ; however those relatives must guarantee your will not be a financial burden and may be liable to support you if you can't support yourself. Health care isn't free in Australia; your employer signs you up to Medicare. Medicare pays 70 or 80% ( in some cases 100%) of medical costs. You need to be employed or self employed and pay the equivalent of National insurance to qualify for it. Otherwise you get private insurance ( ideally you need a top up insurance anyway even if you are on Medicare. You don't qualify for benefits until you have been employed in Australia ( or you have been /are self employed), and have paid into the system. You only qualify for old age pension based on the years you have been resident in Australia, though you can transfer a small proportion of any years worth of UK state pension into the Australian system. If you have relatives already in Australia | |||
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" . So How does their points based System work. . What is the required criteria, when immigrating to Australia? . Are immigrants to Australia, immediately entitled to receive benefits, and free health care? . The answers to these questions, Will make deciding whether too like their points system,or not,so much easier. . I Thank you in advance Joe. Criteria depends on qualifications ; and each state in Australia has its list of trades, skills and professions that they need. If you have relatives in Australia ( who are Australian citizens) they can " claim" you, and you can enter ; however those relatives must guarantee your will not be a financial burden and may be liable to support you if you can't support yourself. Health care isn't free in Australia; your employer signs you up to Medicare. Medicare pays 70 or 80% ( in some cases 100%) of medical costs. You need to be employed or self employed and pay the equivalent of National insurance to qualify for it. Otherwise you get private insurance ( ideally you need a top up insurance anyway even if you are on Medicare. You don't qualify for benefits until you have been employed in Australia ( or you have been /are self employed), and have paid into the system. You only qualify for old age pension based on the years you have been resident in Australia, though you can transfer a small proportion of any years worth of UK state pension into the Australian system. If you have relatives already in Australia " Thank you, After reading that,I've decided, I like the Australian points system. . At first,I thought Joe was inferring the Australian immigration system,was similar to that of the EUs. Although That would just have been intentionally, totally misleading,and dishonest,FYI. My mistake. | |||
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"I am watching a program about a luxury hotel in singapore on bbc2 and there, they embrace immigration, such a massive difference with views of immigration from there to here." Spoke about this the other week. Fell on death ears from the brexiteers. Even Singapore, a nation largely standing on its own, is part of a trade organisation in SEA, and has to and likes to take on some immigration. | |||
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"I am watching a program about a luxury hotel in singapore on bbc2 and there, they embrace immigration, such a massive difference with views of immigration from there to here. Spoke about this the other week. Fell on death ears from the brexiteers. Even Singapore, a nation largely standing on its own, is part of a trade organisation in SEA, and has to and likes to take on some immigration." That is right and as well, they got independence in 1965 and are a very successful country too. | |||
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" . So How does their points based System work. . What is the required criteria, when immigrating to Australia? . Are immigrants to Australia, immediately entitled to receive benefits, and free health care? . The answers to these questions, Will make deciding whether too like their points system,or not,so much easier. . I Thank you in advance Joe. Criteria depends on qualifications ; and each state in Australia has its list of trades, skills and professions that they need. If you have relatives in Australia ( who are Australian citizens) they can " claim" you, and you can enter ; however those relatives must guarantee your will not be a financial burden and may be liable to support you if you can't support yourself. Health care isn't free in Australia; your employer signs you up to Medicare. Medicare pays 70 or 80% ( in some cases 100%) of medical costs. You need to be employed or self employed and pay the equivalent of National insurance to qualify for it. Otherwise you get private insurance ( ideally you need a top up insurance anyway even if you are on Medicare. You don't qualify for benefits until you have been employed in Australia ( or you have been /are self employed), and have paid into the system. You only qualify for old age pension based on the years you have been resident in Australia, though you can transfer a small proportion of any years worth of UK state pension into the Australian system. If you have relatives already in Australia " sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. | |||
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"I am watching a program about a luxury hotel in singapore on bbc2 and there, they embrace immigration, such a massive difference with views of immigration from there to here. Spoke about this the other week. Fell on death ears from the brexiteers. Even Singapore, a nation largely standing on its own, is part of a trade organisation in SEA, and has to and likes to take on some immigration.That is right and as well, they got independence in 1965 and are a very successful country too." Singapore is very successful in all areas.They are pragmatic and highly educated. | |||
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"I am watching a program about a luxury hotel in singapore on bbc2 and there, they embrace immigration, such a massive difference with views of immigration from there to here. Spoke about this the other week. Fell on death ears from the brexiteers. Even Singapore, a nation largely standing on its own, is part of a trade organisation in SEA, and has to and likes to take on some immigration.That is right and as well, they got independence in 1965 and are a very successful country too.Singapore is very successful in all areas.They are pragmatic and highly educated. " That is right, asia have a different education system and it is known for it throughout the world. | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. " You mean like the system we already have then? | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? " No | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? No" But we do that. | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? No But we do that. " Yes we do. Plus the scroungers and freeloaders who are a burden on the economy, these are the ones we don't want. Immigrants who come to work and contribute to society will always be welcome. | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? No But we do that. Yes we do. Plus the scroungers and freeloaders who are a burden on the economy, these are the ones we don't want. Immigrants who come to work and contribute to society will always be welcome." We do have rules in place so that people can't become "scroungers" or a "burden on the economy". The UK hasn't been welcoming to immigrants who work and contribute to society. They have been blamed for stretching public services, taking British jobs, taking British houses etc etc etc. | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? No But we do that. Yes we do. Plus the scroungers and freeloaders who are a burden on the economy, these are the ones we don't want. Immigrants who come to work and contribute to society will always be welcome. We do have rules in place so that people can't become "scroungers" or a "burden on the economy". The UK hasn't been welcoming to immigrants who work and contribute to society. They have been blamed for stretching public services, taking British jobs, taking British houses etc etc etc. " What are these 'rules in place' so that people can't become scroungers? We see hundreds of these scroungers every day both both indigenous UK born ones (the biggest number by far) and also immigrants of all the different types (legal, illegal refugees, asylum seekers ,economic migrants etc) As long as you have a very generous benefits system you will always have scroungers who cant stand the thought of getting out of bed at 7am on a cold winters morning to go to work when money is free and therefore you can just stay in bed. | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? No But we do that. Yes we do. Plus the scroungers and freeloaders who are a burden on the economy, these are the ones we don't want. Immigrants who come to work and contribute to society will always be welcome. We do have rules in place so that people can't become "scroungers" or a "burden on the economy". The UK hasn't been welcoming to immigrants who work and contribute to society. They have been blamed for stretching public services, taking British jobs, taking British houses etc etc etc. What are these 'rules in place' so that people can't become scroungers? We see hundreds of these scroungers every day both both indigenous UK born ones (the biggest number by far) and also immigrants of all the different types (legal, illegal refugees, asylum seekers ,economic migrants etc) As long as you have a very generous benefits system you will always have scroungers who cant stand the thought of getting out of bed at 7am on a cold winters morning to go to work when money is free and therefore you can just stay in bed." I don't believe you have a good working knowledge of the UK statutory benefits system. | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? No But we do that. Yes we do. Plus the scroungers and freeloaders who are a burden on the economy, these are the ones we don't want. Immigrants who come to work and contribute to society will always be welcome. We do have rules in place so that people can't become "scroungers" or a "burden on the economy". The UK hasn't been welcoming to immigrants who work and contribute to society. They have been blamed for stretching public services, taking British jobs, taking British houses etc etc etc. What are these 'rules in place' so that people can't become scroungers? We see hundreds of these scroungers every day both both indigenous UK born ones (the biggest number by far) and also immigrants of all the different types (legal, illegal refugees, asylum seekers ,economic migrants etc) As long as you have a very generous benefits system you will always have scroungers who cant stand the thought of getting out of bed at 7am on a cold winters morning to go to work when money is free and therefore you can just stay in bed. I don't believe you have a good working knowledge of the UK statutory benefits system. " You didn't answer the question, for a change  I don't think you have a very good understanding of the real world. | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? No But we do that. Yes we do. Plus the scroungers and freeloaders who are a burden on the economy, these are the ones we don't want. Immigrants who come to work and contribute to society will always be welcome. We do have rules in place so that people can't become "scroungers" or a "burden on the economy". The UK hasn't been welcoming to immigrants who work and contribute to society. They have been blamed for stretching public services, taking British jobs, taking British houses etc etc etc. What are these 'rules in place' so that people can't become scroungers? We see hundreds of these scroungers every day both both indigenous UK born ones (the biggest number by far) and also immigrants of all the different types (legal, illegal refugees, asylum seekers ,economic migrants etc) As long as you have a very generous benefits system you will always have scroungers who cant stand the thought of getting out of bed at 7am on a cold winters morning to go to work when money is free and therefore you can just stay in bed. I don't believe you have a good working knowledge of the UK statutory benefits system. You didn't answer the question, for a change I don't think you have a very good understanding of the real world."There are hundreds of rules, for a myriad of benefits, for numerous different visas and treaty rights. I am not inclined it list every rule here. I my understanding of the world is just fine, that's why I don't need to lie about people claiming benefits. | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? No But we do that. Yes we do. Plus the scroungers and freeloaders who are a burden on the economy, these are the ones we don't want. Immigrants who come to work and contribute to society will always be welcome. We do have rules in place so that people can't become "scroungers" or a "burden on the economy". The UK hasn't been welcoming to immigrants who work and contribute to society. They have been blamed for stretching public services, taking British jobs, taking British houses etc etc etc. What are these 'rules in place' so that people can't become scroungers? We see hundreds of these scroungers every day both both indigenous UK born ones (the biggest number by far) and also immigrants of all the different types (legal, illegal refugees, asylum seekers ,economic migrants etc) As long as you have a very generous benefits system you will always have scroungers who cant stand the thought of getting out of bed at 7am on a cold winters morning to go to work when money is free and therefore you can just stay in bed. I don't believe you have a good working knowledge of the UK statutory benefits system. You didn't answer the question, for a change I don't think you have a very good understanding of the real world.
There are hundreds of rules, for a myriad of benefits, for numerous different visas and treaty rights. I am not inclined it list every rule here. I my understanding of the world is just fine, that's why I don't need to lie about people claiming benefits."But here are a few: You can't claim contribution based JSA or ESA unless you have enough qualifying national insurance contributions. If you are on a temporary visa or further leave to remain visa you have no recourse to public funds. An EU citizen who is unable to find a job after 6 months can be deported as they are not exercising a treaty right. No foreigner can claim any benefits in their first 6 months in the UK as they are not considered to be a UK resident. Illegal immigrants are, surprisingly, illegal, and entitled to no benefits. Want me to go on? | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? No But we do that. Yes we do. Plus the scroungers and freeloaders who are a burden on the economy, these are the ones we don't want. Immigrants who come to work and contribute to society will always be welcome. We do have rules in place so that people can't become "scroungers" or a "burden on the economy". The UK hasn't been welcoming to immigrants who work and contribute to society. They have been blamed for stretching public services, taking British jobs, taking British houses etc etc etc. What are these 'rules in place' so that people can't become scroungers? We see hundreds of these scroungers every day both both indigenous UK born ones (the biggest number by far) and also immigrants of all the different types (legal, illegal refugees, asylum seekers ,economic migrants etc) As long as you have a very generous benefits system you will always have scroungers who cant stand the thought of getting out of bed at 7am on a cold winters morning to go to work when money is free and therefore you can just stay in bed. I don't believe you have a good working knowledge of the UK statutory benefits system. You didn't answer the question, for a change I don't think you have a very good understanding of the real world.
There are hundreds of rules, for a myriad of benefits, for numerous different visas and treaty rights. I am not inclined it list every rule here. I my understanding of the world is just fine, that's why I don't need to lie about people claiming benefits.
But here are a few:
You can't claim contribution based JSA or ESA unless you have enough qualifying national insurance contributions.
If you are on a temporary visa or further leave to remain visa you have no recourse to public funds.
An EU citizen who is unable to find a job after 6 months can be deported as they are not exercising a treaty right.
No foreigner can claim any benefits in their first 6 months in the UK as they are not considered to be a UK resident.
Illegal immigrants are, surprisingly, illegal, and entitled to no benefits.
Want me to go on? "Makes the UK sound like an extremely undesirable destination. It makes you wonder, why there's such a stampede to get in? . Let's face it,it's not the weather.   | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? No But we do that. Yes we do. Plus the scroungers and freeloaders who are a burden on the economy, these are the ones we don't want. Immigrants who come to work and contribute to society will always be welcome. We do have rules in place so that people can't become "scroungers" or a "burden on the economy". The UK hasn't been welcoming to immigrants who work and contribute to society. They have been blamed for stretching public services, taking British jobs, taking British houses etc etc etc. What are these 'rules in place' so that people can't become scroungers? We see hundreds of these scroungers every day both both indigenous UK born ones (the biggest number by far) and also immigrants of all the different types (legal, illegal refugees, asylum seekers ,economic migrants etc) As long as you have a very generous benefits system you will always have scroungers who cant stand the thought of getting out of bed at 7am on a cold winters morning to go to work when money is free and therefore you can just stay in bed. I don't believe you have a good working knowledge of the UK statutory benefits system. You didn't answer the question, for a change I don't think you have a very good understanding of the real world.
There are hundreds of rules, for a myriad of benefits, for numerous different visas and treaty rights. I am not inclined it list every rule here. I my understanding of the world is just fine, that's why I don't need to lie about people claiming benefits.
But here are a few:
You can't claim contribution based JSA or ESA unless you have enough qualifying national insurance contributions.
If you are on a temporary visa or further leave to remain visa you have no recourse to public funds.
An EU citizen who is unable to find a job after 6 months can be deported as they are not exercising a treaty right.
No foreigner can claim any benefits in their first 6 months in the UK as they are not considered to be a UK resident.
Illegal immigrants are, surprisingly, illegal, and entitled to no benefits.
Want me to go on?
Makes the UK sound like an extremely undesirable destination.
It makes you wonder,
why there's such a stampede to get in?
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Let's face it,it's not the weather.
"It is definitely not the people either... Quite a lot of you Brits are arrogant, cold, deluded, and feel unjustifiably entitled... It is simply a result of false advertising. Decades of colonizing other countries, advertising and putting yourselves out as great! Just as being sexy is more about confidence and charisma than what you've actually got...  | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? No But we do that. Yes we do. Plus the scroungers and freeloaders who are a burden on the economy, these are the ones we don't want. Immigrants who come to work and contribute to society will always be welcome. We do have rules in place so that people can't become "scroungers" or a "burden on the economy". The UK hasn't been welcoming to immigrants who work and contribute to society. They have been blamed for stretching public services, taking British jobs, taking British houses etc etc etc. What are these 'rules in place' so that people can't become scroungers? We see hundreds of these scroungers every day both both indigenous UK born ones (the biggest number by far) and also immigrants of all the different types (legal, illegal refugees, asylum seekers ,economic migrants etc) As long as you have a very generous benefits system you will always have scroungers who cant stand the thought of getting out of bed at 7am on a cold winters morning to go to work when money is free and therefore you can just stay in bed. I don't believe you have a good working knowledge of the UK statutory benefits system. You didn't answer the question, for a change I don't think you have a very good understanding of the real world.
There are hundreds of rules, for a myriad of benefits, for numerous different visas and treaty rights. I am not inclined it list every rule here. I my understanding of the world is just fine, that's why I don't need to lie about people claiming benefits.
But here are a few:
You can't claim contribution based JSA or ESA unless you have enough qualifying national insurance contributions.
If you are on a temporary visa or further leave to remain visa you have no recourse to public funds.
An EU citizen who is unable to find a job after 6 months can be deported as they are not exercising a treaty right.
No foreigner can claim any benefits in their first 6 months in the UK as they are not considered to be a UK resident.
Illegal immigrants are, surprisingly, illegal, and entitled to no benefits.
Want me to go on?
Makes the UK sound like an extremely undesirable destination.
It makes you wonder,
why there's such a stampede to get in?
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Let's face it,it's not the weather.
"What a strange thing to say, you base your opinion of the desirability of a place to live on what statutory benefits you would be able to extract? Luckily most people don't think like you, and your post has supported my arguement that people don't come to the UK to scrounge or to be a burden. | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? No But we do that. Yes we do. Plus the scroungers and freeloaders who are a burden on the economy, these are the ones we don't want. Immigrants who come to work and contribute to society will always be welcome. We do have rules in place so that people can't become "scroungers" or a "burden on the economy". The UK hasn't been welcoming to immigrants who work and contribute to society. They have been blamed for stretching public services, taking British jobs, taking British houses etc etc etc. What are these 'rules in place' so that people can't become scroungers? We see hundreds of these scroungers every day both both indigenous UK born ones (the biggest number by far) and also immigrants of all the different types (legal, illegal refugees, asylum seekers ,economic migrants etc) As long as you have a very generous benefits system you will always have scroungers who cant stand the thought of getting out of bed at 7am on a cold winters morning to go to work when money is free and therefore you can just stay in bed. I don't believe you have a good working knowledge of the UK statutory benefits system. You didn't answer the question, for a change I don't think you have a very good understanding of the real world.
There are hundreds of rules, for a myriad of benefits, for numerous different visas and treaty rights. I am not inclined it list every rule here. I my understanding of the world is just fine, that's why I don't need to lie about people claiming benefits.
But here are a few:
You can't claim contribution based JSA or ESA unless you have enough qualifying national insurance contributions.
If you are on a temporary visa or further leave to remain visa you have no recourse to public funds.
An EU citizen who is unable to find a job after 6 months can be deported as they are not exercising a treaty right.
No foreigner can claim any benefits in their first 6 months in the UK as they are not considered to be a UK resident.
Illegal immigrants are, surprisingly, illegal, and entitled to no benefits.
Want me to go on?
Makes the UK sound like an extremely undesirable destination.
It makes you wonder,
why there's such a stampede to get in?
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Let's face it,it's not the weather.
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"it's the NHS I think that could be at the top of their bucket list " You've been reading too much Daily Mail. See above. -Matt | |||
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" it's the NHS I think that could be at the top of their bucket list " Stop being in denial. The NHS is shit. Not providing the service we need. Far better in other countries. | |||
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" it's the NHS I think that could be at the top of their bucket list Stop being in denial. The NHS is shit. Not providing the service we need. Far better in other countries." It is not shit. It just needs a bit of love, money and not having Hunt being an arse. I've just been away in the US for a week... in that week whilst I was away, my 24 year old son got taken into A&E due to an ongoing condition that suddenly went bad. He had 7 hours of brain surgery to sort him out. By the time I got back he was home and walking about. Whilst the NHS has it's faults, and whilst once again we had to fight a bit for them to take his condition seriously... they have saved his life several times now. I'm not sure about the rest of Europe... but I sure as hell would not want to be living in the US right now. -Matt | |||
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" it's the NHS I think that could be at the top of their bucket list " So as I have answered the question about the rules that stop foreigners from claiming benefits perhaps you can tell us who is entitled to free NHS care, who has to pay, who needs comprehensive insurance and who has to pay a health visa surcharge before they even get to the UK. Many thanks in advance. | |||
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"the words "I Think" and "could" in my contribution here do not convey any certainty in my statement. . .it's a personal view that I hold . . and until convinced other wise , it's a view I will continue to hold. " So should I therefore assume you weren't aware on the need for comprehensive health insurance, visa surcharges etc? | |||
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"what I do know is from April 2015 changes were made on the rules concerning NHS treatment to foreign nationals for non essential health care.. . A&E and GP consultations remain free to all. The NHS were billed and paid European countries £642 million for treating UK nationals but received only £49 million back of the £1.8 billion it cost to treat Europeans and non Europeans . " Are you aware of who is even able to register at a GP though? | |||
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"what I do know is from April 2015 changes were made on the rules concerning NHS treatment to foreign nationals for non essential health care.. . A&E and GP consultations remain free to all. The NHS were billed and paid European countries £642 million for treating UK nationals but received only £49 million back of the £1.8 billion it cost to treat Europeans and non Europeans . " I think half the problem is the NHS don't try hard enough to retrieve the money owed by other countries. | |||
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" it's the NHS I think that could be at the top of their bucket list Stop being in denial. The NHS is shit. Not providing the service we need. Far better in other countries. It is not shit. It just needs a bit of love, money and not having Hunt being an arse. I've just been away in the US for a week... in that week whilst I was away, my 24 year old son got taken into A&E due to an ongoing condition that suddenly went bad. He had 7 hours of brain surgery to sort him out. By the time I got back he was home and walking about. Whilst the NHS has it's faults, and whilst once again we had to fight a bit for them to take his condition seriously... they have saved his life several times now. I'm not sure about the rest of Europe... but I sure as hell would not want to be living in the US right now. -Matt" Of course it needs TLC. My mother worked for the NHS for a few decades. But since moving away to the Netherlands I've never experienced? such great service in emergencies ever. | |||
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"what I do know is from April 2015 changes were made on the rules concerning NHS treatment to foreign nationals for non essential health care.. . A&E and GP consultations remain free to all. The NHS were billed and paid European countries £642 million for treating UK nationals but received only £49 million back of the £1.8 billion it cost to treat Europeans and non Europeans . " The problem is the UK just don't follow the rules. Every other country in Europe if not the world always ask for proof of entitlement whether a card or insurance policy - UK don't. Whose fault is that? Do we not have a simple system in place to collect that information? The differences between what we pay out and what we get back is mainly down to AGE. In Europe most of the British migrants are pensioners who have moved for the better climate. As the UK knows only too well - with age comes ailments so they are costing the UK taxpayer a fortune! But by being there, they don't overload the NHS. Most of the foreigners in the UK are of working age and therefore don't have the same problems. Should there not be a deal and the S1 cover given to UK retirees be withdrawn, then the UK will have mass oldie migration which will kill the NHS. | |||
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" sounds good to me . . only taking in the skilled people your country needs and rejects those who would or could burden the taxpayer. . . so what's the downside I wonder. You mean like the system we already have then? No But we do that. Yes we do. Plus the scroungers and freeloaders who are a burden on the economy, these are the ones we don't want. Immigrants who come to work and contribute to society will always be welcome. We do have rules in place so that people can't become "scroungers" or a "burden on the economy". The UK hasn't been welcoming to immigrants who work and contribute to society. They have been blamed for stretching public services, taking British jobs, taking British houses etc etc etc. What are these 'rules in place' so that people can't become scroungers? We see hundreds of these scroungers every day both both indigenous UK born ones (the biggest number by far) and also immigrants of all the different types (legal, illegal refugees, asylum seekers ,economic migrants etc) As long as you have a very generous benefits system you will always have scroungers who cant stand the thought of getting out of bed at 7am on a cold winters morning to go to work when money is free and therefore you can just stay in bed. I don't believe you have a good working knowledge of the UK statutory benefits system. You didn't answer the question, for a change I don't think you have a very good understanding of the real world.
There are hundreds of rules, for a myriad of benefits, for numerous different visas and treaty rights. I am not inclined it list every rule here. I my understanding of the world is just fine, that's why I don't need to lie about people claiming benefits.
But here are a few:
You can't claim contribution based JSA or ESA unless you have enough qualifying national insurance contributions.
If you are on a temporary visa or further leave to remain visa you have no recourse to public funds.
An EU citizen who is unable to find a job after 6 months can be deported as they are not exercising a treaty right.
No foreigner can claim any benefits in their first 6 months in the UK as they are not considered to be a UK resident.
Illegal immigrants are, surprisingly, illegal, and entitled to no benefits.
Want me to go on?
Makes the UK sound like an extremely undesirable destination.
It makes you wonder,
why there's such a stampede to get in?
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Let's face it,it's not the weather.
What a strange thing to say, you base your opinion of the desirability of a place to live on what statutory benefits you would be able to extract?
Luckily most people don't think like you, and your post has supported my arguement that people don't come to the UK to scrounge or to be a burden. "Congratulations!!! That is,without doubt, the most,unrelated to the question reply, I have ever seen. . It's like,if you don't like the question, You just make up another question in your head, And give the answer to that. | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years " Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants. | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! " | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! " So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? " No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out " How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself. | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself." But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ?" Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country?  | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country? " | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country? "You didn't answer the question ,is your partner foreign,are you married ? | |||
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"This is already running CLCC stated one yesterday
Like there aren't thousands of brexit threads already running. Let's try something else as its getting boring" | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country? You didn't answer the question ,is your partner foreign,are you married ? "What is your obsession with my partner? | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country? You didn't answer the question ,is your partner foreign,are you married ?
What is your obsession with my partner? "Not obsessed at all,I am trying a mature approach to find out a little more about you,once again you haven't answered another question | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country? You didn't answer the question ,is your partner foreign,are you married ?
What is your obsession with my partner? Not obsessed at all,I am trying a mature approach to find out a little more about you,once again you haven't answered another question "I've already answered you on another thread, how many times do you want me to answer the same question? | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country? You didn't answer the question ,is your partner foreign,are you married ?
What is your obsession with my partner? Not obsessed at all,I am trying a mature approach to find out a little more about you,once again you haven't answered another question
I've already answered you on another thread, how many times do you want me to answer the same question? "ok,no problems,would she still be allowed here if you hadn't married her,like I said before you don't have to answer me.I just feel it would be more relevant if you did | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country? You didn't answer the question ,is your partner foreign,are you married ?
What is your obsession with my partner? Not obsessed at all,I am trying a mature approach to find out a little more about you,once again you haven't answered another question
I've already answered you on another thread, how many times do you want me to answer the same question? ok,no problems,would she still be allowed here if you hadn't married her,like I said before you don't have to answer me.I just feel it would be more relevant if you did "What difference does it make? But no, we weren’t married when she first came to the UK. I find it incredible that you have been so anti immigration in the past, yet now you are even supporting illegal immigration. If you don’t have a problem with illegal immigration, you surely can’t have a problem with legal immigration either. Also if you hare happy with illegal immigration you surely can’t believe in any sort of immigration controls from anywhere in the world if you support people who simply bypass those rules illegally. | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country? You didn't answer the question ,is your partner foreign,are you married ? "Australians are foreigners too. What's your point? Generally illegals don't pay tax. So all illegal immigration is frowned upon. Probably against the law from the name of it. Maybe... Do you know English is spoken as a second language in many countries on the world. | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country? You didn't answer the question ,is your partner foreign,are you married ?
Australians are foreigners too. What's your point? Generally illegals don't pay tax. So all illegal immigration is frowned upon. Probably against the law from the name of it. Maybe... Do you know English is spoken as a second language in many countries on the world."My Dutch is skewing my English. I don't have to learn dutch to work in the Netherlands. | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country? You didn't answer the question ,is your partner foreign,are you married ?
Australians are foreigners too. What's your point? Generally illegals don't pay tax. So all illegal immigration is frowned upon. Probably against the law from the name of it. Maybe... Do you know English is spoken as a second language in many countries on the world."I'm not sure about here... but one thing that surprised me was apparently the number of illegal immigrants in the US that *do* pay tax still. They are there living and working as any 'native' would. Many of them been in the US since childhood. But, of course we are only talking income tax here. Anyone who lives in a country will be paying tax indirectly in terms of VAT, etc. You know, the same argument given for why tax-dodging wealthy people are still valuable in our country... because they spend money. -Matt | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country? You didn't answer the question ,is your partner foreign,are you married ?
Australians are foreigners too. What's your point? Generally illegals don't pay tax. So all illegal immigration is frowned upon. Probably against the law from the name of it. Maybe... Do you know English is spoken as a second language in many countries on the world.
I'm not sure about here... but one thing that surprised me was apparently the number of illegal immigrants in the US that *do* pay tax still. They are there living and working as any 'native' would. Many of them been in the US since childhood.
But, of course we are only talking income tax here. Anyone who lives in a country will be paying tax indirectly in terms of VAT, etc. You know, the same argument given for why tax-dodging wealthy people are still valuable in our country... because they spend money.
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country? You didn't answer the question ,is your partner foreign,are you married ?
Australians are foreigners too. What's your point? Generally illegals don't pay tax. So all illegal immigration is frowned upon. Probably against the law from the name of it. Maybe... Do you know English is spoken as a second language in many countries on the world.
I'm not sure about here... but one thing that surprised me was apparently the number of illegal immigrants in the US that *do* pay tax still. They are there living and working as any 'native' would. Many of them been in the US since childhood.
But, of course we are only talking income tax here. Anyone who lives in a country will be paying tax indirectly in terms of VAT, etc. You know, the same argument given for why tax-dodging wealthy people are still valuable in our country... because they spend money.
-Matt
True. You can say the same for visitors. "Exactly.. which I believe someone (you?) brought up on the forum before. At what point does a visitor (good!) become an immigrant (bad?). The UK are happy to say tourism is good, yet wants to say immigration is bad. Where do you draw the line? What about the folks that spend 3-6 months a year somewhere? -Matt | |||
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"i would've thought that the only thing that was required of the australians by the brexiteers was that they repatriate the conservative estimate of 573,963 australians that have deliberately overstayed on their visas in the last 15 years Its seems as though this forum's Brexiters are happy with illegal Australian immigrants.But you have a problem with that,you couldn't make it up !!! So you dont have a problem with illegal immigration? No I don't,providing they are people who speak english and are willing to contribute to our system and pay in,not just take out How bizarre! I’m not a fan of illegal immigration myself.But you don't mind thousands of illegal immigrants flooding the country,is your partner foreign and are you married ? Ive just said that I don’t like illegal immigration. How can you read that as me not minding if thousands of illegal immigrants fooding the country? You didn't answer the question ,is your partner foreign,are you married ?
Australians are foreigners too. What's your point? Generally illegals don't pay tax. So all illegal immigration is frowned upon. Probably against the law from the name of it. Maybe... Do you know English is spoken as a second language in many countries on the world.
I'm not sure about here... but one thing that surprised me was apparently the number of illegal immigrants in the US that *do* pay tax still. They are there living and working as any 'native' would. Many of them been in the US since childhood.
But, of course we are only talking income tax here. Anyone who lives in a country will be paying tax indirectly in terms of VAT, etc. You know, the same argument given for why tax-dodging wealthy people are still valuable in our country... because they spend money.
-Matt
True. You can say the same for visitors.
Exactly.. which I believe someone (you?) brought up on the forum before. At what point does a visitor (good!) become an immigrant (bad?). The UK are happy to say tourism is good, yet wants to say immigration is bad. Where do you draw the line? What about the folks that spend 3-6 months a year somewhere?
-Matt"Or what happens to the EU immigrants who are allowed to come to the UK for 6 months and can then be deported after 6 months if they dont find a job as they are not exercising a treaty right? | |||
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