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"It's official. The Donald has already changed the White House website and we (well they actually) are back to investing in improved fossil fuel extraction techniques." Rogue scientists have been pre-emptive in protecting the data trump will now try to destroy on climate change .At 10 AM the Saturday before inauguration day, on the sixth floor of the Van Pelt Library at the University of Pennsylvania, roughly 60 hackers, scientists, archivists, and librarians were hunched over laptops, drawing flow charts on whiteboards, and shouting opinions on computer scripts across the room. They had hundreds of government web pages and data sets to get through before the end of the day—all strategically chosen from the pages of the Environmental Protection Agency and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration—any of which, they felt, might be deleted, altered, or removed from the public domain by the incoming trump administration. | |||
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"It's official. The Donald has already changed the White House website and we (well they actually) are back to investing in improved fossil fuel extraction techniques." Good thing or bad thing? Rather ironic that the republican party - which first set up national parks under teddy roosevelt, is the party which now seeks to encroach on them, exploit and doesn't acknowledge the global threat to them. | |||
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"It's official. The Donald has already changed the White House website and we (well they actually) are back to investing in improved fossil fuel extraction techniques.Rogue scientists have been pre-emptive in protecting the data trump will now try to destroy on climate change .At 10 AM the Saturday before inauguration day, on the sixth floor of the Van Pelt Library at the University of Pennsylvania, roughly 60 hackers, scientists, archivists, and librarians were hunched over laptops, drawing flow charts on whiteboards, and shouting opinions on computer scripts across the room. They had hundreds of government web pages and data sets to get through before the end of the day—all strategically chosen from the pages of the Environmental Protection Agency and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration—any of which, they felt, might be deleted, altered, or removed from the public domain by the incoming trump administration. "  | |||
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" Global warming..climate change.isnt the problem "A little publicised side effect of climate change is the slowing down and predicted turning off of the Saline Conveyor which drives the worlds weather systems and bathers the British Isles in warm water giving us our mild climate. Maybe you would like to explain to us all how having a climate more akin to Moscow or Vancouver is not something that should concern us. | |||
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"It's official. The Donald has already changed the White House website and we (well they actually) are back to investing in improved fossil fuel extraction techniques. Good thing or bad thing? Rather ironic that the republican party - which first set up national parks under teddy roosevelt, is the party which now seeks to encroach on them, exploit and doesn't acknowledge the global threat to them." Can you please name & list all the national parks he intends to carry out oil/gas exploration, I doubt very much if he will as you put it "encroach" on any of them. absolutely nothing wrong with investing in improved fossil fuel extraction techniques, even the ones we have today are bloody good and they provide the fuel to allow you to live your happy life. | |||
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" Global warming..climate change.isnt the problem
A little publicised side effect of climate change is the slowing down and predicted turning off of the Saline Conveyor which drives the worlds weather systems and bathers the British Isles in warm water giving us our mild climate. Maybe you would like to explain to us all how having a climate more akin to Moscow or Vancouver is not something that should concern us. "The oil party will be over in 20 years so they will pump it out as fast as possible regardless of price.Saudi has the same policy that a barrel that only makes $1 profit is better than a barrel in the ground.The age of oil is comming to an end and trumps friends in the oil business know this.It always makes me laugh that those that consider themselves conservatives have no interest in conserving the environment.  | |||
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"think of all the ice we can have for our malts from the Larsen ice crack "what,s going to happen to the seals and polar bears | |||
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"think of all the ice we can have for our malts from the Larsen ice crack what,s going to happen to the seals and polar bears "Trump will build a zoo .The best zoo.A beautiful zoo.With The best polar bears.For the best people on earth to look at them.  | |||
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"think of all the ice we can have for our malts from the Larsen ice crack what,s going to happen to the seals and polar bears ". Well firstly there's no bears there the penguins however have a habit of riding the big ones out to sea but don't worry they all swim back to south Africa easy enough | |||
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"According to experts 2016 was hotter than 2015 which was hotter than 2014 which funnily enough was hotter than 2010(bit of a hicup) but that indeed only beat 2013 by a whisker but then all the years in the 21 at century make in the top 20 warmest years on record... You have to all the way back in time to 1998 to get a 20th century year in the top ten and number 8...der ner neh ner and now pop pickers,I can confirm with good confidence 2017 will be the hottest yet ... Or maybe 2018"I would use the word scientist rather than expert.I really dont think anyone who supports trump or putin or any of the right gives a fuck about the environment or climate change.Once the methane gets released its game over for us and maybe we deserve this future we voted for.  | |||
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"According to experts 2016 was hotter than 2015 which was hotter than 2014 which funnily enough was hotter than 2010(bit of a hicup) but that indeed only beat 2013 by a whisker but then all the years in the 21 at century make in the top 20 warmest years on record... You have to all the way back in time to 1998 to get a 20th century year in the top ten and number 8...der ner neh ner and now pop pickers,I can confirm with good confidence 2017 will be the hottest yet ... Or maybe 2018 I would use the word scientist rather than expert.I really dont think anyone who supports trump or putin or any of the right gives a fuck about the environment or climate change.Once the methane gets released its game over for us and maybe we deserve this future we voted for. ". I agree with your sentiment my friend but I'm afraid we've all been guilty of it right ,left, good and bad, there's not many innocents in this crime | |||
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"It's official. The Donald has already changed the White House website and we (well they actually) are back to investing in improved fossil fuel extraction techniques. Good thing or bad thing? Rather ironic that the republican party - which first set up national parks under teddy roosevelt, is the party which now seeks to encroach on them, exploit and doesn't acknowledge the global threat to them. Can you please name & list all the national parks he intends to carry out oil/gas exploration, I doubt very much if he will as you put it "encroach" on any of them. absolutely nothing wrong with investing in improved fossil fuel extraction techniques, even the ones we have today are bloody good and they provide the fuel to allow you to live your happy life." I doubt trump wants to, but his energy secretary wants to expand fracking and coal extraction. These can only really be cost effectively extracted from the land...not the sea...so logically trump can choose to extract from the following areas: Places near towns and cities. sites used as or near to agricultural land. potential areas for housing and buisness. national Parks/reserves. Guess which one of those is likely to get less long term resistance and protests...my money is national parks. Additionally, Trump's policy on climate change puts the ecosystems the national parks aim to protect in repoardy. We can already see species ranges either expanding or constricting due to slight temperature changes. Also, just a thought...how will trump protect the people of florida and the lower mississipi states from coast flooding from severer seasonal stroms, tidal surges and potential sea level rise. Hard engineering solutions for that will be hella expensive - probably at the tax payers expense. How many riot police will be needed to stop pissed off american's with firearms after seeing washington abandon them again? P.s I don't not like fossil fuels, oil and gas were far better that coal and wood burning for cleaner energy. Its just their use is unsustainable. Both in how much we have left and their cost, and the long term impact and cost they have. Its just time to move onto nuclear and renewable energy combinations. And hey, you like manufacturing a job creation right. Those wind and tidal turbines need to be made, and yes you need quite a few spread across the country. But thats good. Thats a mixed bag of jobs and skills being placed around the country. | |||
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"According to experts 2016 was hotter than 2015 which was hotter than 2014 which funnily enough was hotter than 2010(bit of a hicup) but that indeed only beat 2013 by a whisker but then all the years in the 21 at century make in the top 20 warmest years on record... You have to all the way back in time to 1998 to get a 20th century year in the top ten and number 8...der ner neh ner and now pop pickers,I can confirm with good confidence 2017 will be the hottest yet ... Or maybe 2018 I would use the word scientist rather than expert.I really dont think anyone who supports trump or putin or any of the right gives a fuck about the environment or climate change.Once the methane gets released its game over for us and maybe we deserve this future we voted for. .
I agree with your sentiment my friend but I'm afraid we've all been guilty of it right ,left, good and bad, there's not many innocents in this crime"I agree the left had an opportunity in the last decade and failed.The right will put the final nails in the coffin of earth.In some macarbe way i welcome the final destruction of the environment. Because only when faced with catastophe will we change. | |||
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"It's official. The Donald has already changed the White House website and we (well they actually) are back to investing in improved fossil fuel extraction techniques. Good thing or bad thing? Rather ironic that the republican party - which first set up national parks under teddy roosevelt, is the party which now seeks to encroach on them, exploit and doesn't acknowledge the global threat to them. Can you please name & list all the national parks he intends to carry out oil/gas exploration, I doubt very much if he will as you put it "encroach" on any of them. absolutely nothing wrong with investing in improved fossil fuel extraction techniques, even the ones we have today are bloody good and they provide the fuel to allow you to live your happy life. I doubt trump wants to, but his energy secretary wants to expand fracking and coal extraction. These can only really be cost effectively extracted from the land...not the sea...so logically trump can choose to extract from the following areas: Places near towns and cities. sites used as or near to agricultural land. potential areas for housing and buisness. national Parks/reserves. Guess which one of those is likely to get less long term resistance and protests...my money is national parks. Additionally, Trump's policy on climate change puts the ecosystems the national parks aim to protect in repoardy. We can already see species ranges either expanding or constricting due to slight temperature changes. Also, just a thought...how will trump protect the people of florida and the lower mississipi states from coast flooding from severer seasonal stroms, tidal surges and potential sea level rise. Hard engineering solutions for that will be hella expensive - probably at the tax payers expense. How many riot police will be needed to stop pissed off american's with firearms after seeing washington abandon them again? P.s I don't not like fossil fuels, oil and gas were far better that coal and wood burning for cleaner energy. Its just their use is unsustainable. Both in how much we have left and their cost, and the long term impact and cost they have. Its just time to move onto nuclear and renewable energy combinations. And hey, you like manufacturing a job creation right. Those wind and tidal turbines need to be made, and yes you need quite a few spread across the country. But thats good. Thats a mixed bag of jobs and skills being placed around the country." Interesting comments, Does Trump have a worse record on this than lets say China? and why focus purely on Trump and not all other countries involved? . Again can you name the National Parks of which he intends to carry out oil/gas exploration? infact just one or two would do . You also state "you" don't like fossil fuels, I bet you still use many products made from fossil fuels Lets see? here are some products made from fossil fuels, infact just products made from Petroleum, lets see which ones you use, and which ones you boycott? It is very easy for people to say they do not like fossil fuels and insist they should be reduced but you cannot make these products from nuclear and renewable energy combinations. . here is a small list of products . Solvents Diesel fuel Motor Oil Bearing Grease Ink Floor Wax Ballpoint Pens Football Cleats Upholstery Sweaters Boats Insecticides Bicycle Tires Sports Car Bodies Nail Polish Fishing lures Dresses Tires Golf Bags Perfumes Cassettes Dishwasher parts Tool Boxes Shoe Polish Motorcycle Helmet Caulking Petroleum Jelly Transparent Tape CD Player Faucet Washers Antiseptics Clothesline Curtains Food Preservatives Basketballs Soap Vitamin Capsules Antihistamines Purses Shoes Dashboards Cortisone Deodorant Footballs Putty Dyes Panty Hose Refrigerant Percolators Life Jackets Rubbing Alcohol Linings Skis TV Cabinets Shag Rugs Electrician's Tape Tool Racks Car Battery Cases Epoxy Paint Mops Slacks Insect Repellent Oil Filters Umbrellas Yarn Fertilizers Hair Coloring Roofing Toilet Seats Fishing Rods Lipstick Denture Adhesive Linoleum Ice Cube Trays Synthetic Rubber Speakers Plastic Wood Electric Blankets Glycerin Tennis Rackets Rubber Cement Fishing Boots Dice Nylon Rope Candles Trash Bags House Paint Water Pipes Hand Lotion Roller Skates Surf Boards Shampoo Wheels Paint Rollers Shower Curtains Guitar Strings Luggage Aspirin Safety Glasses Antifreeze Football Helmets Awnings Eyeglasses Clothes Toothbrushes Ice Chests Footballs Combs CD's & DVD's Paint Brushes Detergents Vaporizers Balloons Sun Glasses Tents Heart Valves Crayons Parachutes Telephones Enamel Pillows Dishes Cameras Anesthetics Artificial Turf Artificial limbs Bandages Dentures Model Cars Folding Doors Hair Curlers Cold cream Movie film Soft Contact lenses Drinking Cups Fan Belts Car Enamel Shaving Cream Ammonia Refrigerators Golf Balls Toothpaste Gasoline | |||
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" Global warming..climate change.isnt the problem
A little publicised side effect of climate change is the slowing down and predicted turning off of the Saline Conveyor which drives the worlds weather systems and bathers the British Isles in warm water giving us our mild climate. Maybe you would like to explain to us all how having a climate more akin to Moscow or Vancouver is not something that should concern us. "Well maybe this country would do better if we had a climate the same as Moscow or Vancouver because they just get on with daily life we get a inch of snow the country comes to a grinding halt. | |||
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"Climate change still isnt the biggest threat Fracking is ,amazed how little people have researched this poisoned earth approach to fuels." We have been doing fracking for years in North Sea what are the dangers & risk? | |||
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" Well maybe this country would do better if we had a climate the same as Moscow or Vancouver because they just get on with daily life we get a inch of snow the country comes to a grinding halt." . Vancouver and Moscow are nothing like each other | |||
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"I question whether these observations are due to humans. And I also question, if they are, how useful 20% take on household energy and petrol is at combatting it." I Would suggest you get a degree in climate sciences or hydrology. Then you will be able to question the 97% of climate scientists who say climate change is man made.If you were having a heart operation would you go with the 3% opinion on what course of action to take or 97% ?.Remember the 3% are often funded by oil companies. If you truely dont care then thats fine it will lead us to change quicker. | |||
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"Global warming has doubled veg prices in the shops. The snow in Italy and Spain has devastated crops. Heaviest snow and coldest winter for decades. Frost damage to crops is horrendous...need to stop this global warming now!" its been 13 degrees here in Scotland, its quite nice we are enjoying it, heading out for a nice walk this afternoon | |||
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"Don't be condescending. I have 3 degrees, one being a PhD. I have reviewed all the main papers and still do not see such a significant like that it warrants putting people into poverty." My opinions are based on the scientific consensus of the 97%.I have no qualification in climate science.So it stands true that informed opinion from a climate scientist trumps opinions from outside the field.You have the right to choose the 3%.However betting on the future of your civilization and planet on the 3% would be statistically reckless.Thats one hell of a gamble. | |||
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"Don't be condescending. I have 3 degrees, one being a PhD. I have reviewed all the main papers and still do not see such a significant like that it warrants putting people into poverty." 3 degrees at such a young age, amazed how you find time for life & work experiences, how did you finance the degrees, to must have such astounding talent, bet corporations are fighting to hire you. well done for your astounding hard work | |||
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"Young? I'm 35!" when you grow older, you will realise why that comment raises a smile | |||
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"I am choosing to question the effectiveness of carbon taxes etc. There is a correlation but no causative evidence. In the next 20 years we may well see how wrong we have been. You seem to advocate a technocracy, I advocate a democracy." Carbon taxes do work, they are very effective | |||
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"Global warming has doubled veg prices in the shops. The snow in Italy and Spain has devastated crops. Heaviest snow and coldest winter for decades. Frost damage to crops is horrendous...need to stop this global warming now!" . You know it's called climate change for a reason?. The Arctic polar vortex, this is a low pressure system that creates very fast winds that circle the Arctic, this has the effect of containing the very coldest weather inside the Arctic circle. This year due to increasing global temperatures the Arctic itself was 15 degrees + above it's normal temperature, this has the effect of weakening the winds and allowing the cold to splurge downwards, as the cold leaks out warmer air from the south gets in and warms it more causing ever weakening of the pressure system. . In fact this year is not alone, the last few years north America has been the recipient of polar vortex weather, now eastern and central Europe is having its turn... Anybody that has a reasonable grasp of science and reads the peer reviewed studies is in doubt what the problem is and where it's going. | |||
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"I am choosing to question the effectiveness of carbon taxes etc. There is a correlation but no causative evidence. In the next 20 years we may well see how wrong we have been. You seem to advocate a technocracy, I advocate a democracy." . A global carbon tax is workable and probably the best solution for quickly getting "off" c02 fuels. There are no easy answers, however the pricing of carbon tax that's put back into the payers of it is probably the best option... Or you could try your option and just hope for the best against all the scientific evidence. | |||
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"The question is really about can we do anything about it, not Werther it's happening ... I suggest not." . Lowering emissions of c02 and methane will have an effect on long term warming trends, unfortunately c02 stays in the atmosphere for quite a few hundred years so the warming we've caused so far we're stuck with, however if we don't lower emissions very very soon we will cause warming on a much larger and dangerous scale!. At 35 I suggest you should be very worried by the trends currently occurring | |||
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"Define "work"" . You basically set a tax at source when it's extracted, this price (tax) then rises by a set amount every year, the tax is reimbursed back to everybody as an equal share. So the people who use alot of fuel put lots in but only get the same share back as the people who put hardly any in. This causes the effect of people trying to mitigate how much they pay, therefore creating a market for free enterprise to innovate solutions, the free market is the answer but you have to create the market to get it going!. Or you could just carry on fucking up the very ecosystem that sustains all life and see what happens?... I'll give you a clue, it won't be pretty | |||
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"I likely have a far superior grasp of science and the peer review process than most, and whilst I don't disagree climate is changing, I am sceptical as to the Anthropomorphic cause. " | |||
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"It's not against all scientific evidence. Let's do this like scientists. Show me one scientific paper which proves human caused CO2 emissions are causing the climate change we are seeing. Just one... Your best one. Then we can then debate the data and conclusions therein. " . Trumpisim strikes again | |||
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"It's not against all scientific evidence. Let's do this like scientists. Show me one scientific paper which proves human caused CO2 emissions are causing the climate change we are seeing. Just one... Your best one. Then we can then debate the data and conclusions therein. . Trumpisim strikes again" I suggest we take this offline. Happy to debate facts but name calling just shows a lack of intelligence. | |||
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"I am choosing to question the effectiveness of carbon taxes etc. There is a correlation but no causative evidence. In the next 20 years we may well see how wrong we have been. You seem to advocate a technocracy, I advocate a democracy." Yes i would prefer a technocracy.I see a technocracy far superior.A small step would be for ministers to have a background in the post they are appointed to.Unfortunately we only get people with a degree in law or politics.Democracy is influenced by buisness. Technocracy is influenced by science and understanding fundamental truths. | |||
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"It's not against all scientific evidence. Let's do this like scientists. Show me one scientific paper which proves human caused CO2 emissions are causing the climate change we are seeing. Just one... Your best one. Then we can then debate the data and conclusions therein. . Trumpisim strikes again I suggest we take this offline. Happy to debate facts but name calling just shows a lack of intelligence." . . I don't know what you want from me?. Are you looking to be converted?. I've found in life the entrenched are just that.... Let's says I waste two hours of my life on this debate, which I'll win!.... What does it achieve... Nothing, does that sound like something worth two hours of my life to you! | |||
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"It's not against all scientific evidence. Let's do this like scientists. Show me one scientific paper which proves human caused CO2 emissions are causing the climate change we are seeing. Just one... Your best one. Then we can then debate the data and conclusions therein. . Trumpisim strikes again I suggest we take this offline. Happy to debate facts but name calling just shows a lack of intelligence.. . I don't know what you want from me?. Are you looking to be converted?. I've found in life the entrenched are just that.... Let's says I waste two hours of my life on this debate, which I'll win!.... What does it achieve... Nothing, does that sound like something worth two hours of my life to you! "No you'll never get those hours back.You can lead a horse to water..... | |||
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"It's not against all scientific evidence. Let's do this like scientists. Show me one scientific paper which proves human caused CO2 emissions are causing the climate change we are seeing. Just one... Your best one. Then we can then debate the data and conclusions therein. . Trumpisim strikes again I suggest we take this offline. Happy to debate facts but name calling just shows a lack of intelligence.. . I don't know what you want from me?. Are you looking to be converted?. I've found in life the entrenched are just that.... Let's says I waste two hours of my life on this debate, which I'll win!.... What does it achieve... Nothing, does that sound like something worth two hours of my life to you! No you'll never get those hours back.You can lead a horse to water.....". I could give him a clue for starter.... You don't prove hypothesis with one paper!. You prove them with thousands of papers that rule out all the other possibilities at that point your hypothesis can be thought of as a theory like anthropogenic climate change. Of course knowing everything about peer reviewed studies you should at least know that much yourself | |||
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"It's not against all scientific evidence. Let's do this like scientists. Show me one scientific paper which proves human caused CO2 emissions are causing the climate change we are seeing. Just one... Your best one. Then we can then debate the data and conclusions therein. . Trumpisim strikes again I suggest we take this offline. Happy to debate facts but name calling just shows a lack of intelligence.. . I don't know what you want from me?. Are you looking to be converted?. I've found in life the entrenched are just that.... Let's says I waste two hours of my life on this debate, which I'll win!.... What does it achieve... Nothing, does that sound like something worth two hours of my life to you! "your lucky, 2 hours of your life some people spend their life on here, day in day out, week in, week out, year in, year out best at the start of the day just to start a thread, log off and reel in all the lifers | |||
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" your lucky, 2 hours of your life some people spend their life on here, day in day out, week in, week out, year in, year out best at the start of the day just to start a thread, log off and reel in all the lifers ". Lol here little fishy .
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I'm more than willing to debate anybody on any issue, I'd just prefer it if we agree to adopt each others valid points...I could tell by the opening lines of that particular chap that that was highly unlikely... And that's why it would have been a waste of my time | |||
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"Fracking under water isnt like fracking the land and nearby water table .land left after fracking resembles a holocaust leaves poisoned dead earth for our future generations just to make a quick profit.Global warming just makes it possible for me to grow more exotic garden plants generally ." so? its okay to frack in North Sea, under water simply because it is more difficult to see the damage done, there are a vast amount of aquifer wells under the North Sea too | |||
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"It's official. The Donald has already changed the White House website and we (well they actually) are back to investing in improved fossil fuel extraction techniques." Read a heart warming article by Chris Goodall in the Guardian entitled 'Reasons to be cheerful..'. The upshot of the piece is that the technology to make sustainable low carbon energy a global reality is already in existence. The fall in cost of solar energy and the technologically advances in renewable energy generally makes the influence of climate deniers (like President Trump) akin to the Luddites. He can't stop change. | |||
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"It's official. The Donald has already changed the White House website and we (well they actually) are back to investing in improved fossil fuel extraction techniques. Read a heart warming article by Chris Goodall in the Guardian entitled 'Reasons to be cheerful..'. The upshot of the piece is that the technology to make sustainable low carbon energy a global reality is already in existence. The fall in cost of solar energy and the technologically advances in renewable energy generally makes the influence of climate deniers (like President Trump) akin to the Luddites. He can't stop change." The tech may be getting there but it still all comes down to economics - while fossil fuels are cheap investments in, and uptake of renewables, will be slowed down, given that the scientific concensus is that we may be approaching a dangerous tipping point with regard to atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations any further delays in de-carbonising the economy are likely to become increasingly risky. | |||
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"It's official. The Donald has already changed the White House website and we (well they actually) are back to investing in improved fossil fuel extraction techniques." That Trump must be a geneus lol | |||
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