FabSwingers.com forum: Paul Nuttall stands for Stoke central

By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

After the resignation of Labour MP Tristan Hunt in the seat of Stoke central triggered a by election last week, now the new leader of Ukip Paul Nuttall is to throw his hat in the ring and stand for election there. Stoke central voted 70% Leave in the EU referendum and Ukip came 2nd in this seat at the general election. Can Paul Nuttall do it a pull off a victory? Or after Teresa May's Brexit speech on Tuesday could the Tories now win the seat?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nuttall will win, put money on it. It's too much of a Labour stronghold for the Tories to get in but the people have had enough of Labour and especially no mark rich boy career politicians like Hunt. My constituency is Stoke North and has always been Labour while I have always voted Tory which has been a wasted vote really, so next time it will be UKIP for me just to try and get Labour out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My money is on UKIP if there is a decent turnout.

Labour previously won the seat on a very low turn out for a general election (I believe about 54%...but happy to be corrected on the actual figure).

In the referendum the turnout was much higher...around 70%. And the out margin one of the largest in the country...70/30% . It could be interesting!

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

"Nuttall will win, put money on it. It's too much of a Labour stronghold for the Tories to get in but the people have had enough of Labour and especially no mark rich boy career politicians like Hunt. My constituency is Stoke North and has always been Labour while I have always voted Tory which has been a wasted vote really, so next time it will be UKIP for me just to try and get Labour out"

Why so sure when the tories polled the same as ukip last time?, and still a 17% swing required, with a candidate that's been parachuted in?. It's no more than a vanity trip for Eddie Hitler

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im 50/50 Stoke could go to UKIP. At the same point i know a lot of people who voted UKIP/leave to get the referendum/brexit but have openly said that once it was on the cards they'd get behind labour to protect their working rights and the nhs.

That said, labour is marmite atm.

On another note, tories might get in...ukip might eat into the labour vote and divide it so much the tories slip in via a slight majority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Considering all the stuff that has happened in the past year, Paul Nutsack will breeze in, because Corbyn is a weak labour leader who is out of touch with the general population.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

This should be a shoe in for UKIP. The people of Stoke won't want to think too much about why... and a simple UKIP solution like blaming others will definitely work for them, especially with Corbin at the helm of Labour

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

What is your definition of career politician?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Good

I heard Nuttal said everyone from Yorkshire was a massive penis-head

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good

I heard Nuttal said everyone from Yorkshire was a massive penis-head

Lol

your mint

Ps I'm North Yorkshire !!!

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

Why so sure when the tories polled the same as ukip last time?, and still a 17% swing required, with a candidate that's been parachuted in?. It's no more than a vanity trip for Eddie Hitler"

Labour were only 5,000 votes in front of Ukip when they won the seat, with Tristan Hunt. 5,000 votes could easily be overturned. Where i live in Cannock chase, we had a 14% swing from Labour to the Conservatives in the 2010 general election and the Tories won the seat. Before 2010 it was considered a solid Labour area where Labour had been winning for decades. The Tories held the seat in 2015.

I think what ever happens Labour will lose in Stoke central, its just a matter of who will take it between Ukip and the Tories.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is your definition of career politician?

there are 2 kinds, some go from university straight into it but in Hunts case he saw a move into politics as an MP as a step up the ladder to bigger things and frankly he would have joined any party. His aim was to be in the Cabinet at least but once Corbyn was re-elected he knew that chance of power was gone for the forseeable and possibly forever so he did what was best for Hunt and jumped ship after just 6 years. To persue another career

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh and not to mention he would have lost his seat in 2020 anyway due to backing the wrong side in the referendum. That good enough _lcc? Or do you still want to frown?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

Don't know where your reasoning leaves Nuttall then?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

"Oh and not to mention he would have lost his seat in 2020 anyway due to backing the wrong side in the referendum. That good enough _lcc? Or do you still want to frown?"

There won't be a Stoke Central in 2020

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

What is your definition of career politician?

As his father was a successful Labour politician, I doubt he would have joined any party.

I think he is just the kind of highly educated person that we need in politics. At least he actually has a PhD, as opposed to Nuttall who just pretended to have one.

I think you just label any politician you don't like as a "career politician"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It will be a good day for Democracy in England if he wins

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"It will be a good day for Democracy in England if he wins

Why would it be a bad day for democracy if someone else wins?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't know where your reasoning leaves Nuttall then?"

why? Has he jumped ship too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is your definition of career politician?

As his father was a successful Labour politician, I doubt he would have joined any party.

I think he is just the kind of highly educated person that we need in politics. At least he actually has a PhD, as opposed to Nuttall who just pretended to have one.

I think you just label any politician you don't like as a "career politician""

no, surely being a politician is supposed to be a calling? How come he could only stick it for 6 years? Did he want to help the people or himself? And why the fuck do we need highly educated people in politics? Some of them are the thickest or socially awkward people I know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh and not to mention he would have lost his seat in 2020 anyway due to backing the wrong side in the referendum. That good enough _lcc? Or do you still want to frown?

There won't be a Stoke Central in 2020"

fair point, either way he was gone

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

What is your definition of career politician?

As his father was a successful Labour politician, I doubt he would have joined any party.

I think he is just the kind of highly educated person that we need in politics. At least he actually has a PhD, as opposed to Nuttall who just pretended to have one.

I think you just label any politician you don't like as a "career politician"

Showing yer ignorance again

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

To be fair, describing the UKIP politicians as socially awkward is underplaying it.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

What is your definition of career politician?

As his father was a successful Labour politician, I doubt he would have joined any party.

I think he is just the kind of highly educated person that we need in politics. At least he actually has a PhD, as opposed to Nuttall who just pretended to have one.

I think you just label any politician you don't like as a "career politician"

Well which do you want it to be, you slam career politicians, and now says its meant to be a calling? If it was a calling, like it is to some, then it makes sense to do it straight from university, but you've said you don't want that.

Why would you want uneducated people running the country? How is that a good idea?

If you went to court would you want to be represented by someone uneducated? If not, then why would you want the attorney general to be uneducated?

If you needed to have surgery, would you want the surgeon to be uneducated? If not, then why would you want the person running the health service to be uneducated?

If you needed an accountant to do your books and taxes for your business, would you want them to be uneducated? If not, then why would you want the chancellor to be uneducated?

How does more education make you more "thick"?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"It will be a good day for Democracy in England if he wins

What if he, or anybody else should they win, only gets, say, 52% of the vote? (In reality it will be a lot less than that)

And what if only 70% of the electorate in the constituency turn out?

And also, 16 and 17 year Olds aren't allowed to vote?

And given all that, if he (or anybody else) only gets 52% of a 70 %, then that will be about 28% of the population in the constituency.

So if he, or anyone else, actually win with only say, 30% of the vote.... Then that's about 15 percent of the constituency population....

How can that ever be democratic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is your definition of career politician?

As his father was a successful Labour politician, I doubt he would have joined any party.

I think he is just the kind of highly educated person that we need in politics. At least he actually has a PhD, as opposed to Nuttall who just pretended to have one.

I think you just label any politician you don't like as a "career politician"

Why would you want uneducated people running the country? How is that a good idea?

If you went to court would you want to be represented by someone uneducated? If not, then why would you want the attorney general to be uneducated?

If you needed to have surgery, would you want the surgeon to be uneducated? If not, then why would you want the person running the health service to be uneducated?

If you needed an accountant to do your books and taxes for your business, would you want them to be uneducated? If not, then why would you want the chancellor to be uneducated?

How does more education make you more "thick"?"

It doesn't make you more thick but it doesn't stop you from being thick. And a calling not as in one from God but as in after having some experience of life feeling the need to try to change things for the better and to help people. And again you use stupid comparisons. What qualification is needed to be an MP? Why would someone with a science degree make a better MP than someone who had been say a union rep for years or a charity worker or a nurse or a businessman? What is needed is more intelligent and honourable people. Look at the Labour front bench, 2 of them spring to mind, Dianne Abbott and Emily Thornbury, well educated I'm sure but thick as mince (cue accusations of misogyny)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is your definition of career politician?

As his father was a successful Labour politician, I doubt he would have joined any party.

I think he is just the kind of highly educated person that we need in politics. At least he actually has a PhD, as opposed to Nuttall who just pretended to have one.

I think you just label any politician you don't like as a "career politician"

Showing yer ignorance again"

why's that fatty?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

What is your definition of career politician?

As his father was a successful Labour politician, I doubt he would have joined any party.

I think he is just the kind of highly educated person that we need in politics. At least he actually has a PhD, as opposed to Nuttall who just pretended to have one.

I think you just label any politician you don't like as a "career politician"

Why would you want uneducated people running the country? How is that a good idea?

If you went to court would you want to be represented by someone uneducated? If not, then why would you want the attorney general to be uneducated?

If you needed to have surgery, would you want the surgeon to be uneducated? If not, then why would you want the person running the health service to be uneducated?

If you needed an accountant to do your books and taxes for your business, would you want them to be uneducated? If not, then why would you want the chancellor to be uneducated?

How does more education make you more "thick"?

If education doesn't stop you from being "thick" then what does?

So now you are saying that someone has to have life experience as something else, before they can have a calling for what they want to do in life? Seeing the way our education system is set up, we wouldn't have many professionals if that were the case would we? Take a Dr for example, you have to go from GCSE to A Levels to Degree, if you were to take significant gaps, to do something else, and hadn't taken the relevant GCSEs to do the relevant A Levels to do the relevant Degree, they would have to start all over again.

Do you mean a union rep like Dave Prentis Gen Sec of UNISON who has a master's degree in Industrial Relations? Or Kevin Courtney for the NUT who has one of those pesky science degrees that you dislike so much and a PGCE. Or maybe you mean Frances O'Grady, head of the TUC with a BA as well as a post graduate diploma?

I hate to break it to you, but an awful lot of charity workers have bachelors degrees, master's degrees or even PhDs. Nursing also these days requires a degree, and an awful lot of businessmen also have degrees too. Hell even in the military these days its expected that an officer will have completed their first degree by the time they reach Capt. and a second degree by the time they reach Lt Col.

Have you got any proof that Tristram Hunt was neither intelligent, nor honourable?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is your definition of career politician?

As his father was a successful Labour politician, I doubt he would have joined any party.

I think he is just the kind of highly educated person that we need in politics. At least he actually has a PhD, as opposed to Nuttall who just pretended to have one.

I think you just label any politician you don't like as a "career politician"

Why would you want uneducated people running the country? How is that a good idea?

If you went to court would you want to be represented by someone uneducated? If not, then why would you want the attorney general to be uneducated?

If you needed to have surgery, would you want the surgeon to be uneducated? If not, then why would you want the person running the health service to be uneducated?

If you needed an accountant to do your books and taxes for your business, would you want them to be uneducated? If not, then why would you want the chancellor to be uneducated?

How does more education make you more "thick"?

If education doesn't stop you from being "thick" then what does?

Have you got any proof that Tristram Hunt was neither intelligent, nor honourable? "

are you thick? I am not against people having education/degrees but why do qualifications necessarily make someone more suitable to be an MP than someone without? As usual when you are losing an argument/missing the point you waffle on, twist things and talk shite. Did I say that Hunt wasn't intelligent? No. Whether he is or not from some of his interviews especially on the referendum is debateable though. Proof that he is not honourable? Yes, he's just quit hasn't he? Abandoning the people who voted for him and who he promised to represent in Parliament. Are you seriously defending this guy?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Have you got any proof that Tristram Hunt was neither intelligent, nor honourable?

No, I’m not thick, I haven’t once heard you say anything positive about educated people, the value of getting a good education, or people who go on to become experts in their field, any field. I have heard you say that they are thick and social awkward though.

Its ridiculous to say that it is un-honourable to stand down from a job. There will be a by-election and his constituents will get a new MP, they are not being abandoned and left unrepresented.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Has anyone else noticed that UKIP have elected

Eddie Hitler from Bottom

To lead their party.

Nice one.

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"Has anyone else noticed that UKIP have elected

Eddie Hitler from Bottom

To lead their party.

Nice one.

I did notice that the Lib dems had chosen

Tintin from the cartoon

To lead their party.

Nice one.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Has anyone else noticed that UKIP have elected

Eddie Hitler from Bottom

To lead their party.

Nice one.

I did notice that the Lib dems had chosen

Tintin from the cartoon

To lead their party.

Nice one.

Not that I'm a fan of Rev. Farron but I think he's got more MPs

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"Has anyone else noticed that UKIP have elected

Eddie Hitler from Bottom

To lead their party.

Nice one.

I did notice that the Lib dems had chosen

Tintin from the cartoon

To lead their party.

Nice one.

Not that I'm a fan of Rev. Farron but I think he's got more MPs

All 9 of them.

UKip have more MEP's than the Lib dems, in fact more MEP's than any other party in the UK. Ukip also have more elected members on the Welsh assembly than the Lib dems and more elected members on the London Assembly than the Lib dems.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Has anyone else noticed that UKIP have elected

Eddie Hitler from Bottom

To lead their party.

Nice one.

I did notice that the Lib dems had chosen

Tintin from the cartoon

To lead their party.

Nice one.

Not that I'm a fan of Rev. Farron but I think he's got more MPs

All 9 of them.

*coHOUSEOFLORDSffs*

Problem is UKIP are about as organised as the Taliban.

What's the party rebrand this time: "Progress through Chaos!"

Something like that. I forget.

And those MEP's won't be there for much longer - then where will the party turn to for funds?

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"Has anyone else noticed that UKIP have elected

Eddie Hitler from Bottom

To lead their party.

Nice one.

I did notice that the Lib dems had chosen

Tintin from the cartoon

To lead their party.

Nice one.

Not that I'm a fan of Rev. Farron but I think he's got more MPs

All 9 of them.

*coHOUSEOFLORDSffs*

Problem is UKIP are about as organised as the Taliban.

What's the party rebrand this time: "Progress through Chaos!"

Something like that. I forget.

And those MEP's won't be there for much longer - then where will the party turn to for funds?

The multi millionaire businessman Aaron Banks is the chief Ukip donor so it will always get funds.

Those Ukip MEP's will remain there until we have fully left the EU (at least another 2 years) to scrutinise the Brexit process in the European Parliament and the other EU institutions. Ukip doesn't really need to re brand Itself until we have fully left the EU, there is still a lot of deep distrust about the Tories getting us out as half the Tory party want to Remain and more than half the Tory MP's in parliament backed the Remain campaign. Ukip is still the only party fully United behind Leaving the EU. The only re branding under the leadership of Paul Nuttall so far is to target working class Labour areas who voted Leave in the referendum but have Remain backing Labour MP's.

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

*coHOUSEOFLORDSffs*

*coUNELECTEDffs*

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Has anyone else noticed that UKIP have elected

Eddie Hitler from Bottom

To lead their party.

Nice one.

I did notice that the Lib dems had chosen

Tintin from the cartoon

To lead their party.

Nice one.

Not that I'm a fan of Rev. Farron but I think he's got more MPs

All 9 of them.

*coHOUSEOFLORDSffs*

Problem is UKIP are about as organised as the Taliban.

What's the party rebrand this time: "Progress through Chaos!"

Something like that. I forget.

And those MEP's won't be there for much longer - then where will the party turn to for funds?

The multi millionaire businessman Aaron Banks is the chief Ukip donor so it will always get funds.

He still looks like Eddie Hitler

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Has anyone else noticed that UKIP have elected

Eddie Hitler from Bottom

To lead their party.

Nice one.

I did notice that the Lib dems had chosen

Tintin from the cartoon

To lead their party.

Nice one.

Not that I'm a fan of Rev. Farron but I think he's got more MPs

All 9 of them.

*coHOUSEOFLORDSffs*

Problem is UKIP are about as organised as the Taliban.

What's the party rebrand this time: "Progress through Chaos!"

Something like that. I forget.

And those MEP's won't be there for much longer - then where will the party turn to for funds?

I'm sure that they will probably fall out amongst themselves again, and we can all observe the ensuing punch up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It will be a good day for Democracy in England if he wins

Why would it be a bad day for democracy if someone else wins? "
I'm not saying that , but it is crazy that the 3 rd most popular party in the U K has only one M P !!!

Surely even you must see that is so Wrong !!!

Ps Still love you both tho

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"It will be a good day for Democracy in England if he wins

Why would it be a bad day for democracy if someone else wins? I'm not saying that , but it is crazy that the 3 rd most popular party in the U K has only one M P !!!

Surely even you must see that is so Wrong !!!

Ps Still love you both tho

"Third most popular".... Hahaha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It will be a good day for Democracy in England if he wins

Why would it be a bad day for democracy if someone else wins? I'm not saying that , but it is crazy that the 3 rd most popular party in the U K has only one M P !!!

Surely even you must see that is so Wrong !!!

Ps Still love you both tho

Er Yes ! ukip came third on the amount of votes in the last election !!!

"Third most popular".... Hahaha "

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Has anyone else noticed that UKIP have elected

Eddie Hitler from Bottom

To lead their party.

Nice one.

I did notice that the Lib dems had chosen

Tintin from the cartoon

To lead their party.

Nice one.

Not that I'm a fan of Rev. Farron but I think he's got more MPs

All 9 of them.

*coHOUSEOFLORDSffs*

Problem is UKIP are about as organised as the Taliban.

What's the party rebrand this time: "Progress through Chaos!"

Something like that. I forget.

And those MEP's won't be there for much longer - then where will the party turn to for funds?

The multi millionaire businessman Aaron Banks is the chief Ukip donor so it will always get funds.

Why would we want a party supported by a large proportion of the population, when we could have real, anti-elitist, “party’s of the people” that a bankrolled but one, single billionaire

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Has anyone else noticed that UKIP have elected

Eddie Hitler from Bottom

To lead their party.

Nice one.

I did notice that the Lib dems had chosen

Tintin from the cartoon

To lead their party.

Nice one.

Not that I'm a fan of Rev. Farron but I think he's got more MPs

All 9 of them.

*coHOUSEOFLORDSffs*

Problem is UKIP are about as organised as the Taliban.

What's the party rebrand this time: "Progress through Chaos!"

Something like that. I forget.

And those MEP's won't be there for much longer - then where will the party turn to for funds?

The multi millionaire businessman Aaron Banks is the chief Ukip donor so it will always get funds.

Why would we want a party supported by a large proportion of the population, when we could have real, anti-elitist, “party’s of the people” that a bankrolled but one, single billionaire

Well Trump's in the White House, maybe he could write a cheque?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is your definition of career politician?

As his father was a successful Labour politician, I doubt he would have joined any party.

I think he is just the kind of highly educated person that we need in politics. At least he actually has a PhD, as opposed to Nuttall who just pretended to have one.

I think you just label any politician you don't like as a "career politician"

Exactly.....Corbyn was highly educated at public school! Look at how awkward he is.....

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

What is your definition of career politician?

As his father was a successful Labour politician, I doubt he would have joined any party.

I think he is just the kind of highly educated person that we need in politics. At least he actually has a PhD, as opposed to Nuttall who just pretended to have one.

I think you just label any politician you don't like as a "career politician"

Exactly.....Corbyn was highly educated at public school! Look at how awkward he is....."

This is such a ridiculous thing to say. Are you trying to suggest that getting an education makes you MORE socially awkward, or that social skills are equally spread between educated and non educated people? If its the later, then why mention it? If its the former, then what proof have you got for this?

Obviously it varys course to course and institution to institution, but let's say a student might spend three years socialising with their flat mates, course mates, and perhaps sports teams or various extra curricular groups/teams/clubs/societies. They will also spend three years talking in lectures, seminars and in groups. As well as working independently, their is also bound to be some group work over the three year course. Depending on the course you may also be out on work experience, interacting with industry, or with the general public. All of these things help to develop social skills. Compare that to someone who is unemployed and has spent 3 years watching Jeremy Kyle, or someone stacking shelves at Tesco during a night shift that are forbidden to speak to each other, and try to explain to me how the student would have been disadvantaged when it comes to chances to develop social skills.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"...And as things fell apart nobody paid much attention..."

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Has anyone else noticed that UKIP have elected

Eddie Hitler from Bottom

To lead their party.

Nice one.

I did notice that the Lib dems had chosen

Tintin from the cartoon

To lead their party.

Nice one.

Did you see the tin tin cartoon Belgium did following Mays speech?

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"After the resignation of Labour MP Tristan Hunt in the seat of Stoke central triggered a by election last week, now the new leader of Ukip Paul Nuttall is to throw his hat in the ring and stand for election there. Stoke central voted 70% Leave in the EU referendum and Ukip came 2nd in this seat at the general election. Can Paul Nuttall do it a pull off a victory? Or after Teresa May's Brexit speech on Tuesday could the Tories now win the seat?

He might win, so might the Tories. So might the lib dems if the central issue is Europe. The leavers votes might be split.

However I don't think Nuttall will get in the top two. Farage couldn't even get in twice.

Nut tall is an even bigger arsehole than that President Piss arse licker.

In any case I think the central issue may we'll be the NHS, which means labour will keep the seat.

Buttall may we'll be humiliated, fingers crossed, because he wants to privatise the NHS. Wanker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He might win, so might the Tories. So might the lib dems if the central issue is Europe. The leavers votes might be split.

However I don't think Nuttall will get in the top two. Farage couldn't even get in twice.

Nut tall is an even bigger arsehole than that President Piss arse licker.

In any case I think the central issue may we'll be the NHS, which means labour will keep the seat.

Buttall may we'll be humiliated, fingers crossed, because he wants to privatise the NHS. Wanker. "

you live in a world of constant delusion. Labour doesn't have a chance

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over a year ago

Have you got any proof that Tristram Hunt was neither intelligent, nor honourable?

Its ridiculous to say that it is un-honourable to stand down from a job. There will be a by-election and his constituents will get a new MP, they are not being abandoned and left unrepresented."

to stand down from a job? So he was only doing it for his career then (career politician). He made a PROMISE to represent and serve people for 5 years but has reneged on that promise, he has no honour. His constituents will get a new MP yes and more than likely a UKIP one, how do you think that will sit with some who voted for him? Would you be happy to be represented by UKIP? Do you not see the danger to democracy if all MP's were as weak and selfish as him?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Have you got any proof that Tristram Hunt was neither intelligent, nor honourable?

Its ridiculous to say that it is un-honourable to stand down from a job. There will be a by-election and his constituents will get a new MP, they are not being abandoned and left unrepresented.

You attack MPs who serve for a long time as "career politicians" and now you are trying to do the same with MPs who only serve for a short time.

I don't recall you calling Stephen Phillips weak and selfish when he quit the conservative party and triggered a by-election. Your hypocrisy is astounding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you got any proof that Tristram Hunt was neither intelligent, nor honourable?

Its ridiculous to say that it is un-honourable to stand down from a job. There will be a by-election and his constituents will get a new MP, they are not being abandoned and left unrepresented.

You attack MPs who serve for a long time as "career politicians" and now you are trying to do the same with MPs who only serve for a short time.

I don't recall you calling Stephen Phillips weak and selfish when he quit the conservative party and triggered a by-election. Your hypocrisy is astounding. "

was there a thread about that? I don't recall.

Why are you defending Hunt?

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

you live in a world of constant delusion. Labour doesn't have a chance"

Not a chance?

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/stoke-on-trent-central-by-election/winning-party

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

you live in a world of constant delusion. Labour doesn't have a chance

Not a chance?

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/stoke-on-trent-central-by-election/winning-party

Lol, yeah right because the odds on favourites with the bookies were Remain to win the EU referendum, and Hillary Clinton to win the Presidency.

I bet on Leave winning the referendum against the odds and picked up a nice pay packet on June 24th last year. I'll be putting a bet on Paul Nuttall to win Stoke this week.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

I knew that was coming. Did you think Remain had no chance though?

Are you expecting Putin and the Director of the FBI to lend a late hand to Mr Nuttall?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I knew that was coming. Did you think Remain had no chance though?

Are you expecting Putin and the Director of the FBI to lend a late hand to Mr Nuttall?"

I thought remain had no chance, I was actually very surprised how many votes they got

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Was that because you were a little bit deluded in the first place then?

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"I knew that was coming. Did you think Remain had no chance though?

Are you expecting Putin and the Director of the FBI to lend a late hand to Mr Nuttall?

I thought remain had no chance, I was actually very surprised how many votes they got"

I think a lot of the Remain votes were sympathy votes after the Tragic death of Jo Cox. Had that not happened the majority for Leave would've been a lot higher.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

'Tragic death'

Sounds like it was an accident.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was that because you were a little bit deluded in the first place then?"

how could I have been deluded if I was right?

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Because you were surprised how many votes they got.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because you were surprised how many votes they got."

surprised sure. But knew that remain wouldn't win for sure. But on this issue the people of Stoke have had enough of Labour and being taken for granted and ignored. Last year they kicked out the Labour Council, this year it will be the MP, or it would have been if he hadn't kicked himself out

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Maybe.

Have they had enough of the NHS though?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe.

Have they had enough of the NHS though?"

well considering they have probably the longest waiting times in the country yet have had a Labour MP for the last 60 years maybe they think they deserve someone now who actually gives a fuck eh

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over a year ago

"Maybe.

Have they had enough of the NHS though?"

I have to admit Labour's elderly hospital patient extermination policy was very effective especially in Staffordshire in 2008-10. Perhaps the Labour candidate should stress that notable New Labour 'success'...to win back the voters.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apucPqOtono

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"Maybe.

Have they had enough of the NHS though?

I'm also in Staffordshire. The Labour party are despised here now and a lot of the reason for it goes back to the Stafford hospital debacle under the last Labour government. We had a 14% swing from Labour to the Tories in Cannock chase in 2010 and I think the Stafford hospital scandal had a lot to do with it.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Maybe.

Have they had enough of the NHS though?

So you blame Labour instead of the people that actually caused the harm

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Meant good luck to Paul

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"Maybe.

Have they had enough of the NHS though?

So you blame Labour instead of the people that actually caused the harm

It was labour policies in the Nhs which lead to the problems at Stafford hospital.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Maybe.

Have they had enough of the NHS though?

So you blame Labour instead of the people that actually caused the harm

It was labour policies in the Nhs which lead to the problems at Stafford hospital. "

Oh OK, so it must have effected every hospital in the country then right? Rather than just singular hospital that fucked up spectacularly?

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Well, I'm not local to Staffordshire so I won't presume to know the mind of all the public in that area like some of you.

I'm puzzled though.

You seem to be saying that attitudes towards Labour have changed since 2008-10 due to the Mid-Staffs Hospital Crisis. I believe the final inquiry was completed and published in 2013.

Now, the General Election, which returned a Labour MP in the constituency, with a 0.5% increase in the share of the vote, was held in 2015.

Can you explain this?

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"Maybe.

Have they had enough of the NHS though?

So you blame Labour instead of the people that actually caused the harm

It was labour policies in the Nhs which lead to the problems at Stafford hospital.

Oh OK, so it must have effected every hospital in the country then right? Rather than just singular hospital that fucked up spectacularly?

Many hospitals in the country were fucked up, it just happened to be Stafford hospital was the most extreme and well publicised example.

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"Well, I'm not local to Staffordshire so I won't presume to know the mind of all the public in that area like some of you.

I'm puzzled though.

You seem to be saying that attitudes towards Labour have changed since 2008-10 due to the Mid-Staffs Hospital Crisis. I believe the final inquiry was completed and published in 2013.

Now, the General Election, which returned a Labour MP in the constituency, with a 0.5% increase in the share of the vote, was held in 2015.

Can you explain this?

The closet major hospital to cannock is Stafford hospital. As I said earlier in the thread there was a 14% swing from Labour to the Tories in the 2010 general election when the tories took the seat. Prior to this cannock was a solid Labour stronghold. The tories held cannock in the 2015 general election.

It maybe different for the Stoke area because Stoke has its own hospital.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Maybe.

Have they had enough of the NHS though?

So you blame Labour instead of the people that actually caused the harm

It was labour policies in the Nhs which lead to the problems at Stafford hospital.

Oh OK, so it must have effected every hospital in the country then right? Rather than just singular hospital that fucked up spectacularly?

Many hospitals in the country were fucked up, it just happened to be Stafford hospital was the most extreme and well publicised example. "

No, it was pretty much just Stafford, so you can't blame the government for what happened at a single hospital, yet place no blame on the hospital itself.

What's happening in the NHS at the moment though is happening to hospitals up and down the country, and you are getting calls from all of the medical colleges for the government to do something about it, but they wont, because it fits their ideological beliefs to run the NHS into the ground.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Well, I'm not local to Staffordshire so I won't presume to know the mind of all the public in that area like some of you.

I'm puzzled though.

You seem to be saying that attitudes towards Labour have changed since 2008-10 due to the Mid-Staffs Hospital Crisis. I believe the final inquiry was completed and published in 2013.

Now, the General Election, which returned a Labour MP in the constituency, with a 0.5% increase in the share of the vote, was held in 2015.

Can you explain this?

It maybe different for the Stoke area because Stoke has its own hospital. "

I wish you lot could get your act together and put forward something cohesive and consistent.

Brexiters: Labour have NO CHANCE in Stoke Central because it is a staunch Leave constituency.

Me: What if people are more concerned with the NHS?

Brexiters: They will lose on that basis too. Ever since the Mid Staffs hospital scandal everyone hates Labour in Staffordshire.

Me: Er, that was 2008-2013. In 2015 they voted in a Labour MP with a 0.5% increase in the vote.

Brexiters: That bit of Staffordshire might be different.

It's going to be an interesting by election.

There will be two main issues. Brexit and the NHS.

The Tories and Nuttall are weak on the NHS. On Leave they will split the vote on those prioritising Leave as an issue. I suspect the Tories will pick up some UKIP voters, unless something happens such as a terrorist attack or a they feel Brexit is under threat by court rulings or the Government backsliding.

I have no idea where Labour stand on Brexit. I suspect they won't pick up many Remain voters, if that is their main concern. Stoke Central may have voted heavily for Leave, but nationally Labour voters voted by 2/3 to Remain. Maybe it was nearer 50/50 in Stoke then.

We don't really know how many people would still vote Leave, or are still passionate Leave voters. There were two December polls in the North East which showed a switch from 60+% Leave to 60+% Remain if there was another referendum. That was in December though, when the Government appeared to have no idea what Brexit meant. Since then May has made it clear about the Single market. That might have made some switch back. On the other hand the economics are starting to make an impact on some and Nissan saying they will now re-think their investment decision.

Then again, when the Supreme Court rule against the Government that might stoke up the Leave vote, or it might make some quietly thankful of more consideration going into things.

As for the Lib-dems, they are strong on Remain and their candidate is an NHS Consultant so they could well pick up a lot more votes, mainly from Labour.

It really could be a 4 way battle, I think.

But what do I know, I'm not from the area and I'm trying to apply some logic to a world that has temporarily gone fucking insane.

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over a year ago

"Maybe.

Have they had enough of the NHS though?

So you blame Labour instead of the people that actually caused the harm

It was labour policies in the Nhs which lead to the problems at Stafford hospital.

Oh OK, so it must have effected every hospital in the country then right? Rather than just singular hospital that fucked up spectacularly?

That's exactly right...and New Labour almost succeeded in keeping it quiet. But Labour and their liberal supporters are renowned for their ostrich like behaviour when their political correctness fucks up people's lives!

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Apparently the Tories are not going to contest this seat now that nut tall is running, but will throw everything into the Copeland by election on the same day. They were only 33 votes behind ukip in the GE.

clearly brexit will be pushed massively so nuttalls chances must be higher now.

Mind you, if he doesn't win....

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Apparently the Tories are not going to contest this seat now that nut tall is running, but will throw everything into the Copeland by election on the same day. They were only 33 votes behind ukip in the GE.

clearly brexit will be pushed massively so nuttalls chances must be higher now.

Mind you, if he doesn't win...."

If UKIP do not win this seat with the local sentiment and the fact that Nuttall himself is running - they may as well pack up shop now. They will never have a better chance anywhere and at any time.

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

clearly brexit will be pushed massively so nuttalls chances must be higher now.

Mind you, if he doesn't win...."

I see Labour were getting their excuses in early on Sunday on the Andrew Marr show. John McDonnell blaming Brexit and it won't be any fault of Corbyn at all, lol. Truth is it will be a disaster for Corbyn to lose these 2 seats.

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

clearly brexit will be pushed massively so nuttalls chances must be higher now.

Mind you, if he doesn't win....

If UKIP do not win this seat with the local sentiment and the fact that Nuttall himself is running - they may as well pack up shop now. They will never have a better chance anywhere and at any time."

Ukip have said there will be no expense spared and they are going to throw all of their resources and the kitchen sink at winning this seat in Stoke. Labour are going to be in for a really tough fight to win this seat. Ukip my concentrate less on the Copeland seat now if the Tories are going for that one. 2 pronged attack at Labour from 2 different parties.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Might work. Some strong remain labour voters will be drawn off to lib dems possibly too.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

It would be quite funny if Stoke ( a city where a major employer is the NHS) and the majority of its population are dependant on NHS services elected Nuttall. A man who wants do shut down the NHS and bring in a US style health business.

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over a year ago

"It would be quite funny if Stoke ( a city where a major employer is the NHS) and the majority of its population are dependant on NHS services elected Nuttall. A man who wants do shut down the NHS and bring in a US style health business."

no he doesn't but thats not really the issue since UKIP have got no realistic chance of forming a government. Labour will lose partly because of the referendum, partly because the last Labour MP, a posh southern twit with no connection to Stoke who was parachuted in because of his connections rather than his ability and who showed his loyalty by pissing off as soon as his career was derailed and partly because Labour despise the working class and people are now wise to it

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

" a posh southern twit with no connection to Stoke"

I think you may find that his connections to Stoke are similar to his connections to Telford.

His father was Lord Hunt leader of the first expedition to successfully climb Everest. Lord Hunt chose Shropshire as his title seat and supported lots of schools in the area (The John Hunt School in Wrockwardine Wood, Telford. [My ex taught maths there] and I seem to remember he was also a patron of a couple of schools in Stoke).

Not that it changes him being an elitist southern posh boy.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

Not that it changes him being an elitist southern posh boy."

Cambridge is considered northern in my neck of the woods.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I'm pretty sure UKIP have elected Eddie Hitler to run their merry band of pranksters.

Bring it on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMR5zhnQMvs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" a posh southern twit with no connection to Stoke

I think you may find that his connections to Stoke are similar to his connections to Telford.

Not that it changes him being an elitist southern posh boy."

maybe I'm being a bit harsh on him but he wasn't most peoples' first choice to represent them as their Labour candidate he was kind of foist on them by the London luvvies who now run the Labour party, left and right, and at the end of the day he has proven them right, he was only there for what he could get out of it. Anyway, Labour are now irrelevant, a new party/opposition needs to be formed

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

" a posh southern twit with no connection to Stoke

I think you may find that his connections to Stoke are similar to his connections to Telford.

Not that it changes him being an elitist southern posh boy.

Actually it is the local party that choses the candidate for MP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" a posh southern twit with no connection to Stoke

I think you may find that his connections to Stoke are similar to his connections to Telford.

Not that it changes him being an elitist southern posh boy.

Actually it is the local party that choses the candidate for MP."

don't kid yourself again

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

" a posh southern twit with no connection to Stoke

I think you may find that his connections to Stoke are similar to his connections to Telford.

Not that it changes him being an elitist southern posh boy.

Actually it is the local party that choses the candidate for MP.

don't kid yourself again"

So prove me wrong then, show me the Labour Party rules on the selection of parliamentary candidates that says Labour Party central office choses candidates and not the local party then. If you can't, then you can take your 'alternative facts' somewhere else.

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over a year ago

" a posh southern twit with no connection to Stoke

I think you may find that his connections to Stoke are similar to his connections to Telford.

Not that it changes him being an elitist southern posh boy.

Actually it is the local party that choses the candidate for MP.

don't kid yourself again

How can I prove you wrong it thems the rules? Do you not think people are swayed by outside influence? I'll ask you again, why are you defending the twat?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

".So prove me wrong then, show me the Labour Party rules on the selection of parliamentary candidates that says Labour Party central office choses candidates and not the local party then. If you can't, then you can take your 'alternative facts' somewhere else."

Labour party rules clause 4 sect 4:

The NEC may establish a national parliamentary

panel of candidates in the selection procedure

appended to these rules. Nominees do not have to

be members of any national parliamentary panel to

seek selection. Where a national panel is established

by the NEC then candidates recommended by

nationally affiliated organisations through their own

procedures shall automatically be included on the

national panel subject to agreement between the

NEC and the affiliate that their procedures set

similar criteria for accreditation.

Sect 8. NEC Endorsement

A. The selection of a parliamentary candidate shall

not be regarded as completed until the name of

the member selected has been placed before a

meeting of the NEC and her or his selection has

been endorsed. Until such endorsement has been

received the member shall not be introduced to

the public as a prospective candidate. Where

successful candidates are not members of the

national recommended panel or if in the case of a

sitting MP a referral from the Whips office is

received, there should, however, be an

endorsement interview in each case before a

recommendation is made to the NEC

B. If the NEC is satisfied that there is prima facie

evidence of a breach of rules by an individual,

the NEC shall have the right after such

investigations and interviews with the individual

as the NEC shall consider reasonably practicable

and appropriate to decline to endorse or, where

already endorsed, rescind endorsement of such

individual as a prospective parliamentary

candidate.

Sections 11 and 12 give the NEC the final say in all disputes and therefore in the selection of all candidates.

Control the NEC you control the Labour Party, that is how his tonieship was able to move the party so far to the right and why the right are so scared of momentum and the new party members, they are taking back control of the NEC from the tories in disguise.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

" a posh southern twit with no connection to Stoke

I think you may find that his connections to Stoke are similar to his connections to Telford.

Not that it changes him being an elitist southern posh boy.

Actually it is the local party that choses the candidate for MP.

don't kid yourself again

How can I prove you wrong it thems the rules? Do you not think people are swayed by outside influence? I'll ask you again, why are you defending the twat?"

You can't prove me wrong because the local party chose the candidate, not the party central office like you claimed.

I'm defending him because he had done nothing wrong. Also, because you are attacking him not for the reasons you claim, but soley on the basis of the party he's in. You never level claims about career politicians (even though you constantly change your mind on the definitions), or politicians standing down from their seats at conservative politicians even though they have recently done the same thing.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"You can't prove me wrong because the local party chose the candidate, not the party central office like you claimed."

But I did. Would you like a link to the 2016 Party rule book so you can check for yourself what Article 4 says in it's totality or will you accept that I have copied and pasted the rules strait from the rule book?

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"You can't prove me wrong because the local party chose the candidate, not the party central office like you claimed.

Doesn't really matter what the rules are, Labour are gonna get their asses kicked in both of these by-elections.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"You can't prove me wrong because the local party chose the candidate, not the party central office like you claimed.

Do you mean Chapter 5, Clause 4, Section 6 & 7?

In all circumstances (the MP has announced s/he is retiring or where the MP is putting themselves forward for re-selection but has failed to win the trigger ballot) the CLP [Constituency Labour Party] Shortlisting Committee shall draw up a shortlist of interested candidates to present to all members of the CLP who are eligible to vote in accordance with Clause I.1.A above.

7. The selection of candidates shall consist of a vote, by eliminating ballot, of all eligible individual members of the constituency on the basis of one member one vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" a posh southern twit with no connection to Stoke

I think you may find that his connections to Stoke are similar to his connections to Telford.

Not that it changes him being an elitist southern posh boy.

Actually it is the local party that choses the candidate for MP.

don't kid yourself again

How can I prove you wrong it thems the rules? Do you not think people are swayed by outside influence? I'll ask you again, why are you defending the twat?

You can't prove me wrong because the local party chose the candidate, not the party central office like you claimed.

thanks to willwill, may I refer you to his post? And any Conservative politician is just as bad if he steps down for the same reason. I haven't condemned any previously because there has not been a thread about it

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Do you mean Chapter 5, Clause 4, Section 6 & 7?

7. The selection of candidates shall consist of a vote, by eliminating ballot, of all eligible individual members of the constituency on the basis of one member one vote."

No.

Chapter 5 (sorry forgot to put chapter in but it is the one about elected representatives so I thought anyone would be able to find that).

Then I quoted clause 4 sect 4, clause 4 sect 8 (both named and then copied and pasted) and referred to sections 11 and 12.

Obviously having checked the 2016 rule book and finding you were wrong you decided to quote other irrelevant sections of the rules to discredit my post.

That sir is totally dishonest and should have been beneath you. You sir a fallen mightily in my estimation.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Do you mean Chapter 5, Clause 4, Section 6 & 7?

7. The selection of candidates shall consist of a vote, by eliminating ballot, of all eligible individual members of the constituency on the basis of one member one vote.

No.

Chapter 5 (sorry forgot to put chapter in but it is the one about elected representatives so I thought anyone would be able to find that).

Then I quoted clause 4 sect 4, clause 4 sect 8 (both named and then copied and pasted) and referred to sections 11 and 12.

Obviously having checked the 2016 rule book and finding you were wrong you decided to quote other irrelevant sections of the rules to discredit my post.

That sir is totally dishonest and should have been beneath you. You sir a fallen mightily in my estimation. "

It clearly states "The selection of candidates shall consist of a vote, by eliminating ballot, of all eligible individual members of the constituency on the basis of one member one vote."

So it is indeed the CLP that selects the candidate.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

clause 4 sect 4:

The NEC may establish a national parliamentary

panel of candidates in the selection procedure

appended to these rules. Nominees do not have to

be members of any national parliamentary panel to

seek selection. Where a national panel is established

by the NEC then candidates recommended by

nationally affiliated organisations through their own

procedures shall automatically be included on the

national panel subject to agreement between the

NEC and the affiliate that their procedures set

similar criteria for accreditation.

Sect 8. NEC Endorsement

A. The selection of a parliamentary candidate shall

not be regarded as completed until the name of

the member selected has been placed before a

meeting of the NEC and her or his selection has

been endorsed. Until such endorsement has been

received the member shall not be introduced to

the public as a prospective candidate. Where

successful candidates are not members of the

national recommended panel or if in the case of a

sitting MP a referral from the Whips office is

received, there should, however, be an

endorsement interview in each case before a

recommendation is made to the NEC

B. If the NEC is satisfied that there is prima facie

evidence of a breach of rules by an individual,

the NEC shall have the right after such

investigations and interviews with the individual

as the NEC shall consider reasonably practicable

and appropriate to decline to endorse or, where

already endorsed, rescind endorsement of such

individual as a prospective parliamentary

candidate.

11.Disputes arising out of the selection procedure shall

be considered by an officer appointed by the NEC

who shall report to them. The NEC’s decision on that

report shall be final and binding on all parties for all

purposes.

12. Any exceptions to rules 1-11 above can only be

made with the approval of the NEC or an officer

exercising the powers given to them by the NEC.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

I don't know who is right as they seem like conflicting rules. It is naive to think local branches of any Party are not influenced by the Leadership, however their were recent reports regarding the Copeland Labour candidate

'The announcement came shortly after it was revealed that local Labour party members had rejected Jeremy Corbyn’s preferred choice as candidate for Copeland.

Local activists instead chose a former doctor, Gillian Troughton, who backed the failed leadership challenger Owen Smith last summer, which will be seen as a victory for Labour moderates. The leadership is understood to have preferred Rachel Holliday, a homelessness campaigner and vocal Corbyn supporter who had only recently joined the party.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-copeland-byelection-gillian-troughton

Suggesting the local Party do choose.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

The CLP may select anyone they like.

BUT THE NEC CAN PUT ANYONE THEY LIKE ON THE SELECTION LIST AND REFUSE TO ENDORSE ANY CANDIDATE.

NO CANDIDATE CAN STAND WITHOUT NEC ENDORSMENT!

Is that clear enough for you?

The only real power in a CLP is that of refusing to support a candidate. There is even a question mark over if a CLP has the power to deselect an MP without NEC approval.

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"I don't know who is right as they seem like conflicting rules. It is naive to think local branches of any Party are not influenced by the Leadership, however their were recent reports regarding the Copeland Labour candidate

'The announcement came shortly after it was revealed that local Labour party members had rejected Jeremy Corbyn’s preferred choice as candidate for Copeland.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-copeland-byelection-gillian-troughton

Suggesting the local Party do choose."

That would be Gillian Troughton who supported Remain in the referendum now going for a seat that voted Leave in the referendum.

Great strategy from Labour it has to be said, LMAO.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Great strategy from Labour it has to be said, LMAO.

Truth is the NEC is still controlled by the blairite torylite brigade and that wing of the party would do anything including trowing a general election to block a move back towards a more socially responsible mixed economy run for the benefit of the whole country rather than the hard right unregulated monetarist economy run for the benefit of the super rich at the expense of the vast majority we have now.

And before our Tory faithful shout about the 70's when unions ruled the country and we were all poor remember that an average house cost between 2 1/2 and 3 times the average annual wage. Today it costs about 10 times the average wage. So maybe we were not quite as poor then as many of us seem to think, or alternatively maybe we are not as well off today as we are led to believe.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Great strategy from Labour it has to be said, LMAO.

Any Labour party that can win an election is better than a Labour party that can't.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Any Labour party that can win an election is better than a Labour party that can't."

I think not.

I understand your belief and its basis but I believe that your premise is based on false logic.

If to attempt to win power the labour party has to adopt moderate tory policies (as has been the case since the 70's), then the tories move further to the right and what were right wing tory policies become moderate policies and more extreme policies are then adopted by the right of the tory party. This is what has been happening for 30+ years.

IT HAS TO STOP!

We have to reverse our course!

We live in a country where homelessness has doubled in the last 6 years and funnily enough funding to tackle the problem has halved. We live in a country where over 1 million 3 or 7 day food parcels were distributed by food-banks last year. We live in a country where the homeless are now being prosecuted by councils for having no home. We live in a country that is cutting business, capital gains and income tax for the wealthiest.

Sorry, if the cost of another labour government is a further lurch to the right I for one want no part of it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've read all the arguments for and against nutter but you've all missed the most crucial..

He's a fucking Scouser... Not on your Nelly

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Any Labour party that can win an election is better than a Labour party that can't.

I think not.

I understand your belief and its basis but I believe that your premise is based on false logic.

IT HAS TO STOP!

We have to reverse our course!

Sorry, if the cost of another labour government is a further lurch to the right I for one want no part of it!"

The choices are an electable Labour party, or the Tory party. That's not a hard choice for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any Labour party that can win an election is better than a Labour party that can't.

I think not.

I understand your belief and its basis but I believe that your premise is based on false logic.

IT HAS TO STOP!

We have to reverse our course!

Sorry, if the cost of another labour government is a further lurch to the right I for one want no part of it!"
.

That's why this guy knows what's he's taking about..

Because he's not a fucking sell out like everybody else on here.. You can't fix the problem until you actually bring yourself to mentally realising what the problem is!.... That is harder than you think to do because it leads you into alleys you don't like

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

Just watched Newsnight on BBC 2. On the programme it was revealed the Labour Leave group run by Labour donor John Mills has done a poll in the Stoke central constituency. It puts Paul Nuttall 10 points ahead of the Labour candidate already.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

That would be Gillian Troughton who supported Remain in the referendum now going for a seat that voted Leave in the referendum.

Great strategy from Labour it has to be said, LMAO.

Tell me about it...the ambulance driving local councillor who resides within the constituency...bloody career politicians getting parachuted in again!

(You might want to check out the track history of the guy running her campaign)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will Nuttall win the seat i think it's solely down to how many disenchanted Labour voters change sides i don't think the EU vote will make any difference in the local vote.

I expect it be like a 'protest' vote for the Labour supporters who change sides not to say we all support UKIP now but more to say to the Labour party wake up we don't like the way your taking our party.

The Sottish Labour party basically destroyed there own voting base here figures going downwards every election since 2009 people saying to them we don't know what you actually stand for anymore i think that could be the exact same in this bye election

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That would be Gillian Troughton who supported Remain in the referendum now going for a seat that voted Leave in the referendum.

Great strategy from Labour it has to be said, LMAO.

Tell me about it...the ambulance driving local councillor who resides within the constituency...bloody career politicians getting parachuted in again!

(You might want to check out the track history of the guy running her campaign)"

the career politicians only get parachuted into safe safe seats

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

the career politicians only get parachuted into safe safe seats"

Safe seats like Witney?, hang on didn't they hold a by election last year?, something to do with the previous incumbent resigning only 18 months after being re-elected?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the career politicians only get parachuted into safe safe seats

Safe seats like Witney?, hang on didn't they hold a by election last year?, something to do with the previous incumbent resigning only 18 months after being re-elected?"

where one twat left and a career politician moved in? Err ye, what's your point?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Such a waste of pixels

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"Such a waste of pixels

What's the matter Joe? Did you get bored of the kiss, fuck, avoid fluff in the lounge?

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Can you win an election if you are in jail for electoral fraud as nuttall is now being investigated for?

I suppose the constituency is full of brexiters who are people who don't seem to care about great frauds being practised on them, so they could vote for him anyway.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Can you win an election if you are in jail for electoral fraud as nuttall is now being investigated for?

I suppose the constituency is full of brexiters who are people who don't seem to care about great frauds being practised on them, so they could vote for him anyway. "

Hopefully "Dr" Nuttal will be spending 51 weeks in prison! There are so many Trump supporters on this thread, I'm surprised they haven't started a chant of "lock him up, lock him up, lock him up!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can you win an election if you are in jail for electoral fraud as nuttall is now being investigated for?

I suppose the constituency is full of brexiters who are people who don't seem to care about great frauds being practised on them, so they could vote for him anyway.

Hopefully "Dr" Nuttal will be spending 51 weeks in prison! There are so many Trump supporters on this thread, I'm surprised they haven't started a chant of "lock him up, lock him up, lock him up!"

Perhaps these Trump supporters you chant about have no interest in acting like a remoaner who cannot accept a result

just perhaps

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Can you win an election if you are in jail for electoral fraud as nuttall is now being investigated for?

I suppose the constituency is full of brexiters who are people who don't seem to care about great frauds being practised on them, so they could vote for him anyway.

Hopefully "Dr" Nuttal will be spending 51 weeks in prison! There are so many Trump supporters on this thread, I'm surprised they haven't started a chant of "lock him up, lock him up, lock him up!"

Perhaps these Trump supporters you chant about have no interest in acting like a remoaner who cannot accept a result

just perhaps

Silly boy, the by-election isn't for weeks yet, there is no result yet. You really should try to keep up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can you win an election if you are in jail for electoral fraud as nuttall is now being investigated for?

I suppose the constituency is full of brexiters who are people who don't seem to care about great frauds being practised on them, so they could vote for him anyway.

Hopefully "Dr" Nuttal will be spending 51 weeks in prison! There are so many Trump supporters on this thread, I'm surprised they haven't started a chant of "lock him up, lock him up, lock him up!"

Perhaps these Trump supporters you chant about have no interest in acting like a remoaner who cannot accept a result

just perhaps

Silly boy, the by-election isn't for weeks yet, there is no result yet. You really should try to keep up. "

There is only one result I am talking about and you know it only too well, so stop trying to be a smarty pants

alternatively

do some work

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"Can you win an election if you are in jail for electoral fraud as nuttall is now being investigated for?

I suppose the constituency is full of brexiters who are people who don't seem to care about great frauds being practised on them, so they could vote for him anyway. "

I seem to recall both the labour party and the Liberal Democrats being fined by the electoral commission for electoral fraud and breaking the rules on spending limits at the last general election. None of them locked up though. Tories also being investigated for it. He who casts the first Stone and all that.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

I seem to remember you starting a thread about how disgraceful that was.

You threw the first stone, divvy!

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"I seem to remember you starting a thread about how disgraceful that was.

You threw the first stone, divvy!

Key difference is the ones I started threads about were found guilty and fined. Paul Nuttall has not been found guilty of anything yet. We have such a thing as innocent until proven guilty in this country, divvy!

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Ah yes.

That is your principled position all of a sudden.

Remind me on what you said about Hilary Clinton?

I apologise for calling you a divvy. I meant hypocrite.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

Just another one of those Nuttall administrative oversights eh

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I seem to remember you starting a thread about how disgraceful that was.

You threw the first stone, divvy!

So quite unlike UKIP in the European Parliament then?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I hear Mr Nuttall is now under police investigation for lying on his candidate registration form.

It takes a very special kind of stupid to do that when you are such a figure of hate that you must know every detail of your campaign will be put under a microscope.

Nige must be ever so happy, he can ride back and save the kippers from the bonfire.

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By *ackwithabang2000Couple
over a year ago

Stoke

Any of you actually interested in the mood of the public on this matter here in Stoke-on-Trent central?

Or are you all to busy trying to score points of each other?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Any of you actually interested in the mood of the public on this matter here in Stoke-on-Trent central?

Or are you all to busy trying to score points of each other? "

It should be a shoe in for UKIP shouldn't it? The Nuttall thing with the house will be yesterdays news by tomorrow - literally!

Overwhelmingly voted for Brexit because they feel globalisation has failed them? Overwhelmingly white, working class folk who feel the world has left them behind and therefore want to stop the world and rewind to an age when being white and English was something to be proud of. People who can't accept that as low skilled, non skilled - their lives are becoming ever harder.

What are the alternatives?

Conservatives? Well if Stoke rejected an EU Britain based on frustrations with globalisation, you would hope that the electorate might twig that a globalised Britain will be much worse for them than an EU Britain.

Labour? Joke

Greens? Joke

Lib Dems - Not in a big Brexit voting constituency.

Only UKIP will be able to sell them a continued lie simply because it is much easier to believe what you want to believe than the truth.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Any of you actually interested in the mood of the public on this matter here in Stoke-on-Trent central?

Or are you all to busy trying to score points of each other? "

I'm interested.

Will it be about Brexit, or the NHS, or other local issues?

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Any of you actually interested in the mood of the public on this matter here in Stoke-on-Trent central?

Or are you all to busy trying to score points of each other?

I'm interested.

Will it be about Brexit, or the NHS, or other local issues?

100% it will come down to brexit.

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By *ackwithabang2000Couple
over a year ago

Stoke

Talking to people at work and in the pub at weekends, this is going to be closer than some people think

Obviously it's going to be either UKIP or Labour

The locals didn't take to the public school boy Hunt, who didn't have any passion or heart for the area (probably still doesn't know what an oatcake is)

However there's still the stalwart Labour diehards who have never known better to actually have an open mind on politics

If I was putting money on it... Cheeky few bob would go on Nuttall to take the seat...

With that said think we'll go for a beer up Anley duck..

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

The Tories have played canny on this by not really contesting it. They are concentrating on Cumbria.

It's a bit odd in some ways since they only finished 35 votes behind UKIP and they ought to be thinking with the way the Government is pressing on with implementing the referendum majority vote that they should be picking up a lot of the UKIP vote, while the UKIPpers that switched from Labour might not switch back yet (if at all). Plus they have put a candidate up on this one.

I guess if it wasn't Nuttall they might have. Nuttall will join the Tories post brexit anyway, if he shows himself to be a capable MP and retains his seat after the next GE, if he wins this time.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"100% it will come down to brexit."

Yep, the people of Burslam, Tunstal, Hanley and Stoke who don't have a pot to piss in will vote for a man who wants scrap the NHS and is best mates with the leader of the National Front.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

It's odd isn't it, the entire UKIP leadership want to dismantle the NHS, from it's donor Banks, to Farage to Nuttall and the people it will most affect seem not to care.

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By *ackwithabang2000Couple
over a year ago

Stoke

"100% it will come down to brexit.

Yep, the people of Burslam, Tunstal, Hanley and Stoke who don't have a pot to piss in will vote for a man who wants scrap the NHS and is best mates with the leader of the National Front."

Tunstall and Burslem don't come under the Stoke-on-Trent central constituency, they come under Stoke-on-Trent north

So doubt they will be voting...

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"100% it will come down to brexit.

Yep, the people of Burslam, Tunstal, Hanley and Stoke who don't have a pot to piss in will vote for a man who wants scrap the NHS and is best mates with the leader of the National Front."

More Labour lies. Paul Nuttall did used to think years ago an NHS insurance scheme was the way to go moving forward with an aging population but over the last few years has changed his opinion after taking notice of ordinary people's opinions and so has changed his mind. Nuttall and Ukip want to keep the NHS free at the point of use, it was in the Ukip manifesto at the last general election.

As for being friends with the leader of the National Front I assume you are talking about the French Front National Marine Le Pen. She is very popular in France and I think she is in with a good chance of winning the election in France.

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"100% it will come down to brexit.

Yep, the people of Burslam, Tunstal, Hanley and Stoke who don't have a pot to piss in will vote for a man who wants scrap the NHS and is best mates with the leader of the National Front.

Tunstall and Burslem don't come under the Stoke-on-Trent central constituency, they come under Stoke-on-Trent north

So doubt they will be voting... "

Don't let a little fact like that get in the way of a good lefty Labour rant.

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By *ackwithabang2000Couple
over a year ago

Stoke

"100% it will come down to brexit.

Yep, the people of Burslam, Tunstal, Hanley and Stoke who don't have a pot to piss in will vote for a man who wants scrap the NHS and is best mates with the leader of the National Front.

Tunstall and Burslem don't come under the Stoke-on-Trent central constituency, they come under Stoke-on-Trent north

So doubt they will be voting...

Don't let a little fact like that get in the way of a good lefty Labour rant.

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By *ackwithabang2000Couple
over a year ago

Stoke

"100% it will come down to brexit.

Yep, the people of Burslam, Tunstal, Hanley and Stoke who don't have a pot to piss in will vote for a man who wants scrap the NHS and is best mates with the leader of the National Front."

So we don't have a pot to piss in.

Talk about stereotyping an area!

Some of us do very nicely thankyou,

I must remember to dodge the food bank queues and workhouses next time I'm out

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over a year ago

He can.

Hopefully he will.

Good luck Paul x

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Talk about stereotyping an area!

Some of us do very nicely thankyou,

I must remember to dodge the food bank queues and workhouses next time I'm out

Stone is not exactly SoT now is it?

In fact Stone is quite well to do, not like Fenton or Longton or Hanley. Not many round there who could afford to spend £5000 a year+ on medical insurance...

By the way does the guy at the top of the hill on the south bound A34 still bring in the containers of bikes from the States? And has Total Access UK still got the unit on that little industrial estate further down the bypass? (and yes I amy be out of date but I know the area.

Or did they move everything to Eccleshall?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

He can.

Hopefully he will.

Good luck Paul x"

Absolutely this. Parliament needs yet another knobhead and Nuttall, the lying tosser, will fit in perfectly.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Is stoke anything like Rotherham?

Labour and UKIP might be in for a shock if so.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

What is the prevailing opinion in stoke on elephants? Are they for them or would they like to see them extinct like Paul Nuttall?

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"What is the prevailing opinion in stoke on elephants? Are they for them or would they like to see them extinct like Paul Nuttall?"

Paul Nuttall doesn't want to see elephants extinct. He believes the ivory trade is a matter for the UK government to decide not Brussels and the EU. Ukip are against any further transfer of powers from the UK to Brussels and the EU. Seeing as the UK government already has strict laws in place banning the ivory trade that is his and ukip's position and how it should continue to be after we have left the EU.

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By *ackwithabang2000Couple
over a year ago

Stoke

"Talk about stereotyping an area!

Some of us do very nicely thankyou,

I must remember to dodge the food bank queues and workhouses next time I'm out

Stone is not exactly SoT now is it?

In fact Stone is quite well to do, not like Fenton or Longton or Hanley. Not many round there who could afford to spend £5000 a year+ on medical insurance...

Or did they move everything to Eccleshall?"

Only lived Stone area for a few years, moved here from just outside Hanley, have no idea what you're on about with the A34.

My office is in Hanley as well

I'll have go work on Monday passing all them people without a pot to piss in begging in rags!

Maybe you should have a night out round here, you might be pleasantly surprised that not everyone is jeremy kyle material...

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Such a waste of pixels

What's the matter Joe? Did you get bored of the kiss, fuck, avoid fluff in the lounge?

At least they're funnier, quicker and result in shags.

Although I still think Nutall looks like Eddie Hitler

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"What is the prevailing opinion in stoke on elephants? Are they for them or would they like to see them extinct like Paul Nuttall?

Well, Nuttall may or may not want the uk to murder elephants, it's hard to say if the law is already there, but when asked to vote on proposals to clamp down on it over the rest of Europe he decided he'd like 27 other countries to carry on facilitating elephant murder.

Maybe they serve it at the exclusive private club in belgravia your 'man of the people' attends?

Maybe he wants to keep a baby one in his empty stoke flat he's never been to?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Only lived Stone area for a few years, moved here from just outside Hanley, have no idea what you're on about with the A34.

My office is in Hanley as well

I'll have go work on Monday passing all them people without a pot to piss in begging in rags!

Maybe you should have a night out round here, you might be pleasantly surprised that not everyone is jeremy kyle material... "

It's funny how many that support far right views don't live in the places they claim to live in...

As for nights out in SoT, I used to go to a lot of gigs in a nice pub venue in Stoke (close to the barracks). Would be less willing to go for a night out in Hanley, of course the police may have managed to clean up the area but whenever I had to travel through (coming back from Donnington Park when I lived in Whitegate) I was always shocked by the numbers of streetwalkers parading through the centre of Hanley, up the Burslam Road, through Burslam past Johnsons factory. I also to remember that the Crewe Sentinel used to regularly publish lists of women and men found guilty of prostitution in Hanley and Burslam and how many of the women travelled from Stafford, Wolverhampton, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool and even Hull to work the streets.

So unless the area has changed out of all recognition I doubt that I would enjoy a night out round there.

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"What is the prevailing opinion in stoke on elephants? Are they for them or would they like to see them extinct like Paul Nuttall?

Maybe they serve it at the exclusive private club in belgravia your 'man of the people' attends?

Maybe he wants to keep a baby one in his empty stoke flat he's never been to?

That would be the EU which blocked the uk's ban on whale meat travelling through UK ports. The EU wants to save elephants but it condones the murder of Whales for their meat. Maybe the EU serves Whale meat at the canteen at the European parliament in Brussels?

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over a year ago

As a nation of animal lovers i think this will not go down well.Anyone defending the slaughter of an endangered species on the verge of extinction.Is an absolute cock.Its indefensible regardless of the twaddle UKIP say.

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By *ackwithabang2000Couple
over a year ago

Stoke

"Only lived Stone area for a few years, moved here from just outside Hanley, have no idea what you're on about with the A34.

My office is in Hanley as well

I'll have go work on Monday passing all them people without a pot to piss in begging in rags!

Maybe you should have a night out round here, you might be pleasantly surprised that not everyone is jeremy kyle material...

It's funny how many that support far right views don't live in the places they claim to live in...

So unless the area has changed out of all recognition I doubt that I would enjoy a night out round there. "

Where's Burslam?

Do you mean the excellent night out town of Burslem (home of the mighty Port Vale Fc)

When did the sentinel move to Crewe?

How do you know they used to be prostitution in cobridge?

Are you content now with slagging Stoke-on-Trent enough now?

Not mentioned low education levels?

Now that's why there's always been Labour MPs

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

"Only lived Stone area for a few years, moved here from just outside Hanley, have no idea what you're on about with the A34.

My office is in Hanley as well

I'll have go work on Monday passing all them people without a pot to piss in begging in rags!

Maybe you should have a night out round here, you might be pleasantly surprised that not everyone is jeremy kyle material...

It's funny how many that support far right views don't live in the places they claim to live in...

So unless the area has changed out of all recognition I doubt that I would enjoy a night out round there.

Where's Burslam?

Do you mean the excellent night out town of Burslem (home of the mighty Port Vale Fc)

When did the sentinel move to Crewe?

How do you know they used to be prostitution in cobridge?

Are you content now with slagging Stoke-on-Trent enough now?

Not mentioned low education levels?

Now that's why there's always been Labour MPs

Willwill is a Labour supporter, if Stoke is the slum city which he has painted a picture of on this thread then that is a damming indictment of Labour who have had Labour MP's in the area for decades now.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Willwill is a Labour supporter, if Stoke is the slum city which he has painted a picture of on this thread then that is a damming indictment of Labour who have had Labour MP's in the area for decades now. "

I am an unashamedly labour supporter.

I wonder if you remember all the brand new machinery that was sent underground two weeks before Trentam Colliery (the most advanced drift mine in the world at the time) was closed and had concrete caps poured over the entrances to make sure it could never be reopened? Do you remember who did that? Maybe you could tell us all who was the PM who procided over the start of all the ceramic jobs and skills to be transferred to China?

By the way the Evening Sentinel used to have a Crewe paper, it used to have a huge office on High St. with a dedicated Crewe staff, no doubt like a lot of things that has gone too. Sold off to line the bank balance of some tory shit wile the forelock tugging working class tory supporters cheered seeing more of their own being dumped on the scrap heap to further feather the sty of some pampered pig with its nose in the trough.

I did notice how you did not deny what I said about the prostitutes and did not deny what I said

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

' The EU strictly protects all species of whale, dolphin and porpoise and any incidental capture, killing or sale of whales or whale products by EU Members is prohibited. The EU specifically prohibits international trade in whale products under Council Regulation No. 338/97 which implements the Convention in Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) in the EU Member States and which lists all whale and dolphin (cetacean) products under its highest listing, Annex A, thus being stricter than CITES itself.

The impact of this strict EU regulation means that EU member countries, such as Denmark, which have overseas territories that still carry out whaling (in Denmark’s case, Greenland and the Faroe Islands) are subject to stricter measures than maybe domestic regulation would have allowed.'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heard UKIP was eggsellent in the news.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Maybe.

Have they had enough of the NHS though?

So you blame Labour instead of the people that actually caused the harm

It was labour policies in the Nhs which lead to the problems at Stafford hospital.

Oh OK, so it must have effected every hospital in the country then right? Rather than just singular hospital that fucked up spectacularly?

Many hospitals in the country were fucked up, it just happened to be Stafford hospital was the most extreme and well publicised example.

No, it was pretty much just Stafford, so you can't blame the government for what happened at a single hospital, yet place no blame on the hospital itself.

How does it fit their ideological beliefs to run the NHS down?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Maybe.

Have they had enough of the NHS though?

So you blame Labour instead of the people that actually caused the harm

It was labour policies in the Nhs which lead to the problems at Stafford hospital.

Oh OK, so it must have effected every hospital in the country then right? Rather than just singular hospital that fucked up spectacularly?

Many hospitals in the country were fucked up, it just happened to be Stafford hospital was the most extreme and well publicised example.

No, it was pretty much just Stafford, so you can't blame the government for what happened at a single hospital, yet place no blame on the hospital itself.

How does it fit their ideological beliefs to run the NHS down?"

Whose?

It doesn't fit with te ideology of the right because it is run by the state - this is unequivecally a socialist thing. The right would rather it was run by commercial companies and fininaced privately, because this is freedom of the market.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

'The announcement came shortly after it was revealed that local Labour party members had rejected Jeremy Corbyn’s preferred choice as candidate for Copeland.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-copeland-byelection-gillian-troughton

Suggesting the local Party do choose.

That would be Gillian Troughton who supported Remain in the referendum now going for a seat that voted Leave in the referendum.

Great strategy from Labour it has to be said, LMAO.

I'm not sure that Labour putting forward a BREXIT sceptic candidate even in fairly strong Leave areas is the strategic blunder you suggest. 2/3 of former Labour supporters are BREXIT sceptic and 2/5 of former Conservative supporters are BREXIT sceptic also. If BREXIT becomes the main issue on which the bi-elections are fort and the Labour candidate is seen to be moderate and pragmatic it's possible some, possibly a lot, of the 2/5 of former Conservative voters could be persuade to switch. If Labour can also hang on to it's 1/3 pro BREXIT supporters it might be enough.

In fact this could be the only possible strategy Labour has left to make a come back. A lot will also depend on who the Candidates are, especially the LibDems.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Great strategy from Labour it has to be said, LMAO.

Any Labour party that can win an election is better than a Labour party that can't."

And there in lies the rub. As the country heads further and farther to the right the Labour leadership seems hell bent on moving Labour farther and further to the left. As the Conservative party gives up the ground of pragmatic economic reality Labour seems more intent on attacking its own pragmatic economic realists rather than taking the ground vacated.

BREXIT, and the current governments approach to it should've been a gift for Labour but they're just too busy trashing their own record in government and each other to take advantage.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Maybe.

Have they had enough of the NHS though?

So you blame Labour instead of the people that actually caused the harm

It was labour policies in the Nhs which lead to the problems at Stafford hospital.

Oh OK, so it must have effected every hospital in the country then right? Rather than just singular hospital that fucked up spectacularly?

Many hospitals in the country were fucked up, it just happened to be Stafford hospital was the most extreme and well publicised example.

No, it was pretty much just Stafford, so you can't blame the government for what happened at a single hospital, yet place no blame on the hospital itself.

How does it fit their ideological beliefs to run the NHS down?

Whose?

But if you really wanted it run by commercial companies why would you want to run it to the ground. Surely a run down health service would be pretty unattractive for any commercial company?

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

'The announcement came shortly after it was revealed that local Labour party members had rejected Jeremy Corbyn’s preferred choice as candidate for Copeland.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-copeland-byelection-gillian-troughton

Suggesting the local Party do choose.

That would be Gillian Troughton who supported Remain in the referendum now going for a seat that voted Leave in the referendum.

Great strategy from Labour it has to be said, LMAO.

In fact this could be the only possible strategy Labour has left to make a come back. A lot will also depend on who the Candidates are, especially the LibDems. "

You say Fairly strong Leave areas? The Stoke central constituency is a very strong Leave area, you could almost say the capital of Brexit which voted 70% for Leave. The tories have taken a strategic decision not to fight hard for the Stoke central seat in this by election and will fight hard for the Copeland seat instead. UKip are throwing everything they have into the seat in Stoke central and UKip will not fight hard for the Copeland seat which the tories are going for so really it's a 2 pronged attack from UKip and the Tories working in tandem going for separate seats.

The Brexit bill and ammendments process this week and last week has yet again exposed how divided Labour are as a party on Brexit, divided parties don't get much support from the public. Labours prospects are not looking good for these 2 upcoming by elections but we shall have to wait and see what happens on the night of the by elections.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Are they expecting a high turnout.

I imagine a lot of labour voters will find it hard summoning up the motivation to go out and vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are they expecting a high turnout.

I imagine a lot of labour voters will find it hard summoning up the motivation to go out and vote. "

Maybe because the Labour party they traditionally voted for no longer exists. You will find that most working class people are quite conservative in their beliefs and aims in life

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

A bit stupid and selfish, you mean?

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By *entaur_UK OP Man
over a year ago

Cannock

You'd have to be stupid to vote for the Labour party in its current state.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

True.

Stop making me agree with you, you twat.

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

if this is his first attempt at trying to become a MP..best of luck Paul...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

today he's admitted that the things he previously said which linked him to the hillsborough tragedy are not true ..... that would make him a sick, twisted, scummy type who tells lies in order to serve his own quest for power as an elitist career politician ..... what a turd ... will people really vote for this disgusting kind of person? i sincerely hope not

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