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By *hechairman18 OP Man
over a year ago

Salford Quays , Manchester

I seen to remember, but it was 8 years ago, that when President Obama, was elected, he said "Its time for change"

Can anyone tell me just what he has changed or achieved in the last 8 years ?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

The few Americans that I know hate him with a passion. Think he's gearing his wife up for a crack at the Presidency next time round.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I seen to remember, but it was 8 years ago, that when President Obama, was elected, he said "Its time for change"

Can anyone tell me just what he has changed or achieved in the last 8 years ?"

Fuck all basically, the guy is a joke. Making his farewell speech today isn't he? Good riddance!

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

obama care was his big hope but from a few people I slighly know there they think its a pretty bad scheme for most, that could be down to the republicans trying to water it down though, I thought he would be a good president but he must have been pretty bad if the yanks elected trump as a result of 8 years of his rule

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can confirm that there's been a dramatic improvement...in his golf swing!

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Go look up a site called 'what the fuck has obama done so far' for just a bit of a taster as to what he has done. hint: a lot!

-Matt

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By *ubble troubleCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

The answer is probably "not much". He was captured by Goldman Sachs from day one. Obamacare was watered-down at the behest of the private health industry by his own Democrats as well as Republicans. He has introduced ever-wider surveillance laws and increased the use of extra-judicial drone killings and secret incarceration, all of which will be very useful for a future extremist president who wants to destroy any democratic opposition to his/her rule.

In his defence, he has had to contend with a Republican Senate and Congress but all-in-all he is the American Blair, great orator but not really interested in the detail.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

As a side note Donald Trump has asked for the bust of Winston Churchill to be returned to the Oval office in the White house which was removed by Obama. Maybe an early indication that Trump will be looking for good strong ties with the UK and could bode well for a good UK/USA trade deal to come in the near future. Prime Minister Teresa May was reported as being delighted at hearing the news about the bust of Winston Churchill being returned to the oval office.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

To all those who support Trump.

Do you think it's ok to just go up to a women in a club, do you what you like, and just grab her by the pussy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all those who support Trump.

Do you think it's ok to just go up to a women in a club, do you what you like, and just grab her by the pussy?

Clinton does

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"As a side note Donald Trump has asked for the bust of Winston Churchill to be returned to the Oval office in the White house which was removed by Obama. Maybe an early indication that Trump will be looking for good strong ties with the UK and could bode well for a good UK/USA trade deal to come in the near future. Prime Minister Teresa May was reported as being delighted at hearing the news about the bust of Winston Churchill being returned to the oval office. "

Maybe he just couldn't find a bust of Putin to put there yet?

-Matt

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

"To all those who support Trump.

Do you think it's ok to just go up to a women in a club, do you what you like, and just grab her by the pussy?

Clinton does

Likely true, pretty sure Obama doesn't however.

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dGJIB5cO0cQ

no he shows enjoys showing off his erection on a plane full of people.

"To all those who support Trump.

Do you think it's ok to just go up to a women in a club, do you what you like, and just grab her by the pussy?

Clinton does

Likely true, pretty sure Obama doesn't

however."

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Go look up a site called 'what the fuck has obama done so far' for just a bit of a taster as to what he has done. hint: a lot!

-Matt"

well you are right in his last year in office (2016) alone, he dropped 26,171 bombs on 7 different countries.

you are right that sure is "A LOT"

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Clinton does

Maybe, but he did not boast about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He created 17.267 million jobs since he took office. That makes him the second best job-creator, following Bill Clinton.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He created 17.267 million jobs since he took office. That makes him the second best job-creator, following Bill Clinton."

how many are part time?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He created 17.267 million jobs since he took office. That makes him the second best job-creator, following Bill Clinton.

how many are part time?"
Google is your friend.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Go look up a site called 'what the fuck has obama done so far' for just a bit of a taster as to what he has done. hint: a lot!

-Matt

well you are right in his last year in office (2016) alone, he dropped 26,171 bombs on 7 different countries.

you are right that sure is "A LOT""

Indeed that is pretty atrocious. And If the question had been 'What has Obama done to cause suffering worldwide" then that would be a fantastic answer. But the question was what has he achieved in 8 years.

Related: maybe we should start a book on how many bombs will be dropped by Trump in the 4 years he will be in office? If he makes it that long.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Go look up a site called 'what the fuck has obama done so far' for just a bit of a taster as to what he has done. hint: a lot!

-Matt

well you are right in his last year in office (2016) alone, he dropped 26,171 bombs on 7 different countries.

you are right that sure is "A LOT"

Related: maybe we should start a book on how many bombs will be dropped by Trump in the 4 years he will be in office? If he makes it that long.

-Matt"
...he achieved one of the worst approval ratings of any president in history...maybe those Americans are ungrateful.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Go look up a site called 'what the fuck has obama done so far' for just a bit of a taster as to what he has done. hint: a lot!

-Matt

well you are right in his last year in office (2016) alone, he dropped 26,171 bombs on 7 different countries.

you are right that sure is "A LOT"

Related: maybe we should start a book on how many bombs will be dropped by Trump in the 4 years he will be in office? If he makes it that long.

-Matt...he achieved one of the worst approval ratings of any president in history...maybe those Americans are ungrateful."

Well that depends on the approval rating at which point in time. I mean the GW Bush had the highest approval rating... and the lowest approval rating of any president during his time.

Interestingly if you look at the graphs over time of approval rating of each of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating

Every president except Roosevelt and possibly Clinton as had their approval rating drop over the time they were in office. GW Bush's was pretty catastrophic over time. Obama's dropped a bit to start with, but otherwise has been the most stable over time.

Let's see how Trump does. Considering he already has the one of the lowest transition approval ratings for decades... and his approval rating is lower than Obamas at the moment, he has quite a bit of work to do.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The answer is probably "not much". He was captured by Goldman Sachs from day one. Obamacare was watered-down at the behest of the private health industry by his own Democrats as well as Republicans. He has introduced ever-wider surveillance laws and increased the use of extra-judicial drone killings and secret incarceration, all of which will be very useful for a future extremist president who wants to destroy any democratic opposition to his/her rule.

In his defence, he has had to contend with a Republican Senate and Congress but all-in-all he is the American Blair, great orator but not really interested in the detail."
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That would pretty much sum up my view as well

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"how many are part time?"

Are you really coming up with that as a way to deny Obama's job creation?

If so, maybe you would like to comment on your defence of the tories counting zero hours contracts as jobs created in the UK?

Or is it one rule for those you support and another for those you oppose?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Federal Equal Marriage Act and

Recognition for transgendered people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"how many are part time?

Are you really coming up with that as a way to deny Obama's job creation?

If so, maybe you would like to comment on your defence of the tories counting zero hours contracts as jobs created in the UK?

Or is it one rule for those you support and another for those you oppose? "

Those jobs were created UNDER Obama's presidency and not BY Obama thanks to amongst other things a QE stimulus package post a worldwide recession. Just as 16 million jobs were created UNDER Reagan.

The issue especially for Americans appears to be what kind of jobs as most of the above appear to be service jobs. When for example did you last buy something with a Made in the USA label...rather than Made in China etc.!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"how many are part time?

Are you really coming up with that as a way to deny Obama's job creation?

If so, maybe you would like to comment on your defence of the tories counting zero hours contracts as jobs created in the UK?

Or is it one rule for those you support and another for those you oppose? "

why would I defend the Tories on that? And what do they have to do with it anyway? If you want another statistic 20 years ago the average household income in America was $54000. Last year it was - $54000

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

"how many are part time?

Are you really coming up with that as a way to deny Obama's job creation?

If so, maybe you would like to comment on your defence of the tories counting zero hours contracts as jobs created in the UK?

Or is it one rule for those you support and another for those you oppose?

Those jobs were created UNDER Obama's presidency and not BY Obama thanks to amongst other things a QE stimulus package post a worldwide recession. Just as 16 million jobs were created UNDER Reagan.

On your first point, doesn't the same logic hold true of any government or leader anywhere?

And in that case should we never look at employment figures again?

As to manufacturing moving overseas, of course it's not good but that's globalisation and neoliberalism for you. For which you can particularly thank Reagan and Thatcher.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can guarantee the Trumpeters on this forum will blame the next 4 tears of the trump administrations failures on obama.Like they blame everything on labour years into power.Standard.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes"

actually lowered the debt and raised the federal minimum wage for government employees.. the other minimum wage issues are dealt with at state level

funny enough trump is against a rise in the federal minimum wage......

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"The answer is probably "not much". He was captured by Goldman Sachs from day one."

actually on day one has actually brought into law the "lily leadbetter" act for fair pay.. which meant that a woman could not paid differently for doing the same job as a man who had the same experience.....

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes

actually lowered the debt and raised the federal minimum wage for government employees.. the other minimum wage issues are dealt with at state level

funny enough trump is against a rise in the federal minimum wage...... "

the frustrating thing is that the democrats tax and spend and republicans clean up the mess..... but the reality when you look at the numbers is that republican presidents actually raise the debt and democratic presidents actually lower the debt...

if you want to know how much trump's budget plan will add to the debt.... the answer is 3.8 trillion dollars......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes

actually lowered the debt and raised the federal minimum wage for government employees.. the other minimum wage issues are dealt with at state level

funny enough trump is against a rise in the federal minimum wage......

if you want to know how much trump's budget plan will add to the debt.... the answer is 3.8 trillion dollars......"

Does that include building a little wall?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes

actually lowered the debt and raised the federal minimum wage for government employees.. the other minimum wage issues are dealt with at state level

funny enough trump is against a rise in the federal minimum wage......

if you want to know how much trump's budget plan will add to the debt.... the answer is 3.8 trillion dollars......"

I don't know where you get your figures from but from every news source I can find Obama has doubled the debt or there abouts

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes

actually lowered the debt and raised the federal minimum wage for government employees.. the other minimum wage issues are dealt with at state level

funny enough trump is against a rise in the federal minimum wage......

if you want to know how much trump's budget plan will add to the debt.... the answer is 3.8 trillion dollars......

I don't know where you get your figures from but from every news source I can find Obama has doubled the debt or there abouts"

You should try to look at things with an open mind and with a broader spectrum. If you think the financial crash of 2008 was bad in this country, you should have seen what happened in the United States. The dramatic increase in the deficit in the US occurred for much the same reasons than it did in the U.K. and at the same time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes

actually lowered the debt and raised the federal minimum wage for government employees.. the other minimum wage issues are dealt with at state level

funny enough trump is against a rise in the federal minimum wage......

if you want to know how much trump's budget plan will add to the debt.... the answer is 3.8 trillion dollars......

I don't know where you get your figures from but from every news source I can find Obama has doubled the debt or there abouts

best tell _abio he hasn't lowered the debt then

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes

actually lowered the debt and raised the federal minimum wage for government employees.. the other minimum wage issues are dealt with at state level

funny enough trump is against a rise in the federal minimum wage...... "

The national debt in absolute terms has over doubled. The budget *deficit* he managed to get down considerably (to two third what is was I think).

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nominations for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize closed just 11 days after Obama took office.

So, for his 11 DAYS IN OFFICE Barack Obama became a Nobel Peace Prize winner!? What an extraordinary achievement...for political correctness!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nominations for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize closed just 11 days after Obama took office.

So, for his 11 DAYS IN OFFICE Barack Obama became a Nobel Peace Prize winner!? What an extraordinary achievement...for political correctness! "
For the millions who thought they never see a black president it was an outstanding achievement.Another milestone in the civil rights movement of America.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes

actually lowered the debt and raised the federal minimum wage for government employees.. the other minimum wage issues are dealt with at state level

funny enough trump is against a rise in the federal minimum wage......

The national debt in absolute terms has over doubled. The budget *deficit* he managed to get down considerably (to two third what is was I think).

-Matt"

thanks for the correction matt.... that is what i meant to say....

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Federal Equal Marriage Act and

Recognition for transgendered people "

David Cameron introduced equal marriage here in the UK, but I would say most people still view Cameron as a failure in a much broader scale of things.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

His term in office has been variable.

He did inherit the biggest financial crisis in history.

He did extend healthcare to tens trillions of people who had none. It's flawed bit it's not a bad thing to do.

He has been fighting two Republican controlled houses refusing to even do things that they agree with such as infrastructure stimulus.

He inherited a desire from the West not to become involved in any middle eastern conflicts.

He did attempt a reset with Russia which failed when Crimea was invaded.

He brokered a climate change agreement with China when they'd set themselves against it and was instrumental in the Paris accord.

There is a rapprochement with Iran and it seems a hiatus at least of their weapons program.

He was positive and did not single out religions or peoples to blame.

These circumstances also define his failures and there certainly have been failures.

I'd give him a solid B grade.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some outstanding achievements in foreign policy!?

He abandoned his Libyan Ambassador as did the CIA (which he very clearly successfully managed to politicise) to his fate in Benghazi.

In a last ditch attempt to start a new Cold War before he leaves office Obama has deployed the largest US force (an armoured brigade to Poland) into Europe since... the last Cold War!?

Meanwhile US arms continue to flow into Saudi Arabia...which then passes them on to the Islamic State. And his love for Saudi Arabia (ditto the Clintons) and Islamic 'values' can still be seen in a 2009 Youtube video where he is seen bowing so low to the Saudi King it appears he is trying to kiss his hand. Nauseating display.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some outstanding achievements in foreign policy!?

He abandoned his Libyan Ambassador as did the CIA (which he very clearly successfully managed to politicise) to his fate in Benghazi.

In a last ditch attempt to start a new Cold War before he leaves office Obama has deployed the largest US force (an armoured brigade to Poland) into Europe since... the last Cold War!?

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The Bush family have closer ties the saudi royals than any presidents in history

Russia has been sabre rattling at the EU border for sometime. Obama has done the right thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most of the American's I know hold him to some level as a 'lesser of evils', on the better side of that option, mainly for focusing investment into poorer communities and trying to introduce public health care into america, which many in the country greatly need...even if it was watered down by some members of his own party and stone walled by the republicans.

That said, they criticise him where due.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes"

Factually wrong but carry on

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes

Factually wrong but carry on"

which bit was factuality wrong... a quick research on internet shows that obama did double the nations debt.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes

Factually wrong but carry on

which bit was factuality wrong... a quick research on internet shows that obama did double the nations debt. "

Or you could have looked at the amount handed over and thought " the debt has doubled because I'm not allowed to raise taxes to pay for bailouts and to pay for wars I didn't want to get into left for me by a half wit"

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes

Factually wrong but carry on

which bit was factuality wrong... a quick research on internet shows that obama did double the nations debt.

resorting to personal insults again I see.

what a clueless person you are.

I'll leave you to it as I'm not going to sit here on a sunday morning arguring on a swingers site with the likes of you.

a total complete waste of energy and time.

but do feel free to carry on on your high horse insulting anyone that dares have a different opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes

Factually wrong but carry on

which bit was factuality wrong... a quick research on internet shows that obama did double the nations debt. "
Depending on who you talk to, President Obama added anywhere from $983 billion to $9 trillion to the national debt. Who's lying? None of them. That's because there are three ways to look at the debt added for any President.

The first, and most common, method is to subtract the debt level when he took office from the current debt. The second, and more accurate, method is to add together his projected budget deficits.

The third method is the fairest but is also the most complicated. That is to add only the deficits created by the President's specific initiatives.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Doubled the American debt with no improvement in living standards/wages and paved the way for someone like Trump to make real changes

Factually wrong but carry on

which bit was factuality wrong... a quick research on internet shows that obama did double the nations debt. Depending on who you talk to, President Obama added anywhere from $983 billion to $9 trillion to the national debt. Who's lying? None of them. That's because there are three ways to look at the debt added for any President.

The first, and most common, method is to subtract the debt level when he took office from the current debt. The second, and more accurate, method is to add together his projected budget deficits.

The third method is the fairest but is also the most complicated. That is to add only the deficits created by the President's specific initiatives.

The issue is what did they inherit and what have they got control of. US presidents have surprisingly little control without the control of the other two houses, tax changes are very hard to get through.

Trump sits in the position where the republican party has control of the president, and the other two houses, and the Tea party has control over the republican party (along with the Christian far right). Considering the US has been left in a far better state than he found it, he's done a good job. Is it perfect? No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being honest he has not delivered a radical enough change.....But he has been left to battle a republican party that was out only to destroy and slow down any meaningful changes. The man has dignity and class, he made most feel the Nuclear codes were in "safe hands"... I suspect most are worried by the moron that has been elected to follow..Oh and he has announced a spending plan that will double the debt in two years alone...So you have to wonder how long till he is "moved aside" by the GOP grandees

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He stopped the U.S. from sliding into a depression that was to be worse than the Great Depression of the 30's. Obamacare would have been a success but as stated on other posts it was watered down from both side with too many vested interests in private healthcare companies. Overall I'd consider him a good president but didn't/couldn't live up the the hype surrounding him before he was elected.

Also Trump will be blocked at every turn by Democrats and certain elements in his own party so he won't make any real changes either!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Being honest he has not delivered a radical enough change.....But he has been left to battle a republican party that was out only to destroy and slow down any meaningful changes. The man has dignity and class, he made most feel the Nuclear codes were in "safe hands"... I suspect most are worried by the moron that has been elected to follow..Oh and he has announced a spending plan that will double the debt in two years alone...So you have to wonder how long till he is "moved aside" by the GOP grandees

Well said

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Also Trump will be blocked at every turn by Democrats and certain elements in his own party so he won't make any real changes either!"

Not quite... he will get the same grace Obama did in the first two years.. which is a republican congress and a republican senate so he will be able to push thru some of his program

The last six years the republicans basically stopped almost every major policy issue Obama wanted to work on.... immigration, gun control, major reform of the debt etc eat ect.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also Trump will be blocked at every turn by Democrats and certain elements in his own party so he won't make any real changes either!

Not quite... he will get the same grace Obama did in the first two years.. which is a republican congress and a republican senate so he will be able to push thru some of his program

The last six years the republicans basically stopped almost every major policy issue Obama wanted to work on.... immigration, gun control, major reform of the debt etc eat ect....."
Trump says President Obama’s irresponsible use of executive orders has paved the way for him to also use them freely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has presided over Worse Race Relations !

For a Black President that must be some Achievment !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I seen to remember, but it was 8 years ago, that when President Obama, was elected, he said "Its time for change"

Can anyone tell me just what he has changed or achieved in the last 8 years ?

Fuck all basically, the guy is a joke. Making his farewell speech today isn't he? Good riddance! "

Yes Obama is good at making speeches, every one of us will recall how he stood and said to all of us in the UK that if we chose Brexit WE WOULD BE AT THE BACK OF THE QUEUE for trade and deals with USA

Now that he is gone, it appears we have moved DIRECT TO THE FRONT OF THE QUEUE

some speeches we will never forget.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He has presided over Worse Race Relations !

For a Black President that must be some Achievment !

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Do you expect 1 man to change centuries of institutional racism.Get real.He was never going to achieve that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I seen to remember, but it was 8 years ago, that when President Obama, was elected, he said "Its time for change"

Can anyone tell me just what he has changed or achieved in the last 8 years ?

Fuck all basically, the guy is a joke. Making his farewell speech today isn't he? Good riddance!

Now that he is gone, it appears we have moved DIRECT TO THE FRONT OF THE QUEUE

some speeches we will never forget."

Gove said that to Trump, I didn't hear Trump confirm it.

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over a year ago

In his first UK interview - with former Justice Secretary Michael Gove for the Times - Mr Trump said he thought the UK was "so smart in getting out".

Mr Trump promised a quick trade deal between the US and the UK after he takes office on Friday.

He also criticised "obsolete" Nato and German Chancellor Angela Merkel's immigration policies

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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago

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"In his first UK interview - with former Justice Secretary Michael Gove for the Times - Mr Trump said he thought the UK was "so smart in getting out".

Mr Trump promised a quick trade deal between the US and the UK after he takes office on Friday.

He also criticised "obsolete" Nato and German Chancellor Angela Merkel's immigration policies

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over a year ago

"I seen to remember, but it was 8 years ago, that when President Obama, was elected, he said "Its time for change"

Can anyone tell me just what he has changed or achieved in the last 8 years ?

Fuck all basically, the guy is a joke. Making his farewell speech today isn't he? Good riddance!

Now that he is gone, it appears we have moved DIRECT TO THE FRONT OF THE QUEUE

some speeches we will never forget.

Gove said that to Trump, I didn't hear Trump confirm it. "

Switch on BBC Radio2 right now, you will here it there right now 12:35 - 1pm

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

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Trump is a huge egotist and will say anything to look good. Of course he's going to be positive about the UK when being interviewed. It means pretty much nothing.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Now that he is gone, it appears we have moved DIRECT TO THE FRONT OF THE QUEUE

some speeches we will never forget.

Gove said that to Trump, I didn't hear Trump confirm it.

Switch on BBC Radio2 right now, you will here it there right now 12:35 - 1pm

So did he actually say that... because it is not in the transcripts of the interview published by the times themselves... in the interview he actually waffles around that specific question

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

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Now that he is gone, it appears we have moved DIRECT TO THE FRONT OF THE QUEUE

some speeches we will never forget.

Gove said that to Trump, I didn't hear Trump confirm it.

Switch on BBC Radio2 right now, you will here it there right now 12:35 - 1pm

So did he actually say that... because it is not in the transcripts of the interview published by the times themselves... in the interview he actually waffles around that specific question "

When Gove said "so we are at the front of the queue now".

Trump said the UK is doing great and the UK is in a great position. Add to that the Trump team told foreign secretary Boris Johnson last week on his visit to the states that they want a uk/USA trade deal and fast, within months of Trump taking office.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

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Just been reported by the BBC that the Germans didn't take too kindly to the remarks by DT about BMW and immigration.

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over a year ago

"Just been reported by the BBC that the Germans didn't take too kindly to the remarks by DT about BMW and immigration.

good, we don't give two flying fucks on what Germany thinks or does, had enough of their shite during the last century

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over a year ago

Now that he is gone, it appears we have moved DIRECT TO THE FRONT OF THE QUEUE

some speeches we will never forget.

Gove said that to Trump, I didn't hear Trump confirm it.

Switch on BBC Radio2 right now, you will here it there right now 12:35 - 1pm

So did he actually say that... because it is not in the transcripts of the interview published by the times themselves... in the interview he actually waffles around that specific question "

Guess you will be one happy chap seeing Trump get in, giving your profile says American born, must be refreshing for you buddy.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

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"In his first UK interview - with former Justice Secretary Michael Gove for the Times - Mr Trump said he thought the UK was "so smart in getting out".

Mr Trump promised a quick trade deal between the US and the UK after he takes office on Friday.

He also criticised "obsolete" Nato and German Chancellor Angela Merkel's immigration policies

Just think a tiny bit about the ramifications of what was said.

"Britain was so smart to get out of the EU" Meaning that he doesn't like the EU and would want others to get out. Why? Possibly because it is much more difficult for the US to get a US beneficial trade deal with an economy of equivalent size? If you are a big economy, it is much easier to get preferential terms when dealing with a comparitive minnow.

He didn't actually promise a quick trade deal but it would absolutely be in America's interest to do so. A little bit like a buyer walking up the path of house facing foreclosure and offering the owner a quick deal. I can just imagine BoJo or May having a Neville Chamberlain moment waving a quickly negotiated US/UK trade deal and shouting "trade in our time."

Trump has announced that NATO is obsolete and this was quickly endorsed by Russia who passed the same sentiment. Do you really think that the President elect and leader of the most powerful NATO country should be making comments like that? It is grossly irresponsible.

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over a year ago

"Just been reported by the BBC that the Germans didn't take too kindly to the remarks by DT about BMW and immigration.

good, we don't give two flying fucks on what Germany thinks or does, had enough of their shite during the last century"

Since he's part German maybe they do?

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

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"In his first UK interview - with former Justice Secretary Michael Gove for the Times - Mr Trump said he thought the UK was "so smart in getting out".

Mr Trump promised a quick trade deal between the US and the UK after he takes office on Friday.

He also criticised "obsolete" Nato and German Chancellor Angela Merkel's immigration policies

Just think a tiny bit about the ramifications of what was said.

look if you are going to quote the man at least quote him properly.

He also said "nato is very important to me".

His biggest gripe with Nato is that most of the countries in it are not paying their own way and the US is making up the difference.

Trumps attitude is america first and rightly so, the current NATO as it is now may well be obsolete in trumps eyes.

As far as im concerned Nato have been nothing but americas bully boys since the whole awful "war on terror" began.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

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Now that he is gone, it appears we have moved DIRECT TO THE FRONT OF THE QUEUE

some speeches we will never forget.

Gove said that to Trump, I didn't hear Trump confirm it.

Switch on BBC Radio2 right now, you will here it there right now 12:35 - 1pm

So did he actually say that... because it is not in the transcripts of the interview published by the times themselves... in the interview he actually waffles around that specific question

When Gove said "so we are at the front of the queue now".

You keep stating this and I keep asking the same question, which you have ignored twice so far.

So, for the third time. Do you think it's possible Trump, or his team, would say anything that strengthens his own negotiating position down the line?

Also, do you realise that the UK can't actually enter any new trade deals until it's left the EU?

So, even if Trump is telling the truth for once it's going to be years before its even possible.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

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So, even if Trump is telling the truth for once it's going to be years before its even possible. "

If he even lasts that long before normality returns.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

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So, even if Trump is telling the truth for once it's going to be years before its even possible.

If he even lasts that long before normality returns."

Quite.

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