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"if NF tweeted first and BC replied then the fight was started by him not farage and werent politicans blamed for causing Jo cox's murder(rightly or wrongly) by stirring up the migrant debate. If and its a very big if the driver was a " refugee" then I fear a lot of Germans will blame Merkel,righly or wrongly " Nigel made the initial tweet. Brendan Cox replied. Nigel didn't respond, at least according to Sky news. Can't see why anyone would connect Nigel's tweet with the tragic murder of Jo Cox?? As far as I'm aware, Jo Cox was murdered by a far right supporter, not a refugee? Unless the suggestion is that politicians who supported Brexit were racist, xenophobic bigots... No doubt I'll be corrected by the hand wringers... Meanwhile, the death threats Nigel receives are not deemed important or newsworthy. | |||
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"if NF tweeted first and BC replied then the fight was started by him not farage and werent politicans blamed for causing Jo cox's murder(rightly or wrongly) by stirring up the migrant debate. If and its a very big if the driver was a " refugee" then I fear a lot of Germans will blame Merkel,righly or wrongly Nigel made the initial tweet. Brendan Cox replied. Nigel didn't respond, at least according to Sky news. Can't see why anyone would connect Nigel's tweet with the tragic murder of Jo Cox?? As far as I'm aware, Jo Cox was murdered by a far right supporter, not a refugee? Unless the suggestion is that politicians who supported Brexit were racist, xenophobic bigots... No doubt I'll be corrected by the hand wringers... Meanwhile, the death threats Nigel receives are not deemed important or newsworthy. " have the police actually found any evidence of these 'threats'..? certainly the police have acted swiftly in relation to the threats against Anna Soubry and Gina Miller.. | |||
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"if NF tweeted first and BC replied then the fight was started by him not farage and werent politicans blamed for causing Jo cox's murder(rightly or wrongly) by stirring up the migrant debate. If and its a very big if the driver was a " refugee" then I fear a lot of Germans will blame Merkel,righly or wrongly Nigel made the initial tweet. Brendan Cox replied. Nigel didn't respond, at least according to Sky news. Can't see why anyone would connect Nigel's tweet with the tragic murder of Jo Cox?? As far as I'm aware, Jo Cox was murdered by a far right supporter, not a refugee? Unless the suggestion is that politicians who supported Brexit were racist, xenophobic bigots... No doubt I'll be corrected by the hand wringers... Meanwhile, the death threats Nigel receives are not deemed important or newsworthy. have the police actually found any evidence of these 'threats'..? certainly the police have acted swiftly in relation to the threats against Anna Soubry and Gina Miller.." Are you saying Nigel is lying then? Guess so as you put threat in quotation marks.. | |||
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"if NF tweeted first and BC replied then the fight was started by him not farage and werent politicans blamed for causing Jo cox's murder(rightly or wrongly) by stirring up the migrant debate. If and its a very big if the driver was a " refugee" then I fear a lot of Germans will blame Merkel,righly or wrongly Nigel made the initial tweet. Brendan Cox replied. Nigel didn't respond, at least according to Sky news. Can't see why anyone would connect Nigel's tweet with the tragic murder of Jo Cox?? As far as I'm aware, Jo Cox was murdered by a far right supporter, not a refugee? Unless the suggestion is that politicians who supported Brexit were racist, xenophobic bigots... No doubt I'll be corrected by the hand wringers... Meanwhile, the death threats Nigel receives are not deemed important or newsworthy. have the police actually found any evidence of these 'threats'..? certainly the police have acted swiftly in relation to the threats against Anna Soubry and Gina Miller.. Are you saying Nigel is lying then? Guess so as you put threat in quotation marks.." why bother asking if you've already made an assumption.. my question was as it reads, that there have been no one arrested or any news of any investigation is the reason behind it.. unlike the 2 i quoted where there was the evidence which the police were able to act upon.. as it happens he has history of lying but on this as you raised it do you know if there is any evidence..? | |||
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"if NF tweeted first and BC replied then the fight was started by him not farage and werent politicans blamed for causing Jo cox's murder(rightly or wrongly) by stirring up the migrant debate. If and its a very big if the driver was a " refugee" then I fear a lot of Germans will blame Merkel,righly or wrongly Nigel made the initial tweet. Brendan Cox replied. Nigel didn't respond, at least according to Sky news. Can't see why anyone would connect Nigel's tweet with the tragic murder of Jo Cox?? As far as I'm aware, Jo Cox was murdered by a far right supporter, not a refugee? Unless the suggestion is that politicians who supported Brexit were racist, xenophobic bigots... No doubt I'll be corrected by the hand wringers... Meanwhile, the death threats Nigel receives are not deemed important or newsworthy. have the police actually found any evidence of these 'threats'..? certainly the police have acted swiftly in relation to the threats against Anna Soubry and Gina Miller.. Are you saying Nigel is lying then? Guess so as you put threat in quotation marks.. why bother asking if you've already made an assumption.. my question was as it reads, that there have been no one arrested or any news of any investigation is the reason behind it.. unlike the 2 i quoted where there was the evidence which the police were able to act upon.. as it happens he has history of lying but on this as you raised it do you know if there is any evidence..? " Most politicians have a history of lying.. However http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/686146/Strain-family-life-death-threats-Nigel-Farage-Ukip-leader-resignation https://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/nigel-farage-is-receiving-online-death-threats-in-the-wake-o?utm_term=.cuoy697jz4#.pcY4QyWnGL The latter shows evidence. No idea if police are investigating? | |||
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"if NF tweeted first and BC replied then the fight was started by him not farage and werent politicans blamed for causing Jo cox's murder(rightly or wrongly) by stirring up the migrant debate. If and its a very big if the driver was a " refugee" then I fear a lot of Germans will blame Merkel,righly or wrongly Nigel made the initial tweet. Brendan Cox replied. Nigel didn't respond, at least according to Sky news. Can't see why anyone would connect Nigel's tweet with the tragic murder of Jo Cox?? As far as I'm aware, Jo Cox was murdered by a far right supporter, not a refugee? Unless the suggestion is that politicians who supported Brexit were racist, xenophobic bigots... No doubt I'll be corrected by the hand wringers... Meanwhile, the death threats Nigel receives are not deemed important or newsworthy. have the police actually found any evidence of these 'threats'..? certainly the police have acted swiftly in relation to the threats against Anna Soubry and Gina Miller.. Are you saying Nigel is lying then? Guess so as you put threat in quotation marks.. why bother asking if you've already made an assumption.. my question was as it reads, that there have been no one arrested or any news of any investigation is the reason behind it.. unlike the 2 i quoted where there was the evidence which the police were able to act upon.. as it happens he has history of lying but on this as you raised it do you know if there is any evidence..? " he probably gets a few hundred a day so what are the police goimg to do? | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. " but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements... | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements..." Regardless of this particular case, are you advocating inviting people to enter a country on masse with no checks? In light of the terrorist threat to the West? | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements..." Quite agree and perhaps BC might have done the same | |||
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people?" Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. | |||
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"I am at a loss as to why the BBC and others keep giving him the oxygen of publicity. Let him go and play in the US for a while. " It seems to be those of a politically left leaning nature who start most threads on here about Nigel Farage, this thread an example for instance and you just have to look back through the forum history to see who starts most threads about Farage. | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. " Not only should we be rigorously vetting those seeking entry , we should also be monitoring those already here and where necessary deporting . Hopefully once we leave the EU it will be a lot easier to deport undesirables . | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements..." It's just been on BBC news that ISIS have claimed responsibility for the Berlin attack. | |||
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people? Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. " by an anonymous school friend? Ye ok 
Anyone who claims this does not understand what fascism is. Everything that Farage and UKIP stand for is the complete opposite of fascism | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements... It's just been on BBC news that ISIS have claimed responsibility for the Berlin attack." ... With no evidence... | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. Not only should we be rigorously vetting those seeking entry , we should also be monitoring those already here and where necessary deporting . Hopefully once we leave the EU it will be a lot easier to deport undesirables . " We do that already? How is it we thwart attacks in the uk. We do have an intelligence agency. | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. Not only should we be rigorously vetting those seeking entry , we should also be monitoring those already here and where necessary deporting . Hopefully once we leave the EU it will be a lot easier to deport undesirables . We do that already? How is it we thwart attacks in the uk. We do have an intelligence agency." Errrrrmmm by changing our foreign policy. Farage is a wart on the penis that is neo fascism. Backwards we go! | |||
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"if NF tweeted first and BC replied then the fight was started by him not farage and werent politicans blamed for causing Jo cox's murder(rightly or wrongly) by stirring up the migrant debate. If and its a very big if the driver was a " refugee" then I fear a lot of Germans will blame Merkel,righly or wrongly Nigel made the initial tweet. Brendan Cox replied. Nigel didn't respond, at least according to Sky news. Can't see why anyone would connect Nigel's tweet with the tragic murder of Jo Cox?? As far as I'm aware, Jo Cox was murdered by a far right supporter, not a refugee? Unless the suggestion is that politicians who supported Brexit were racist, xenophobic bigots... No doubt I'll be corrected by the hand wringers... Meanwhile, the death threats Nigel receives are not deemed important or newsworthy. have the police actually found any evidence of these 'threats'..? certainly the police have acted swiftly in relation to the threats against Anna Soubry and Gina Miller.. Are you saying Nigel is lying then? Guess so as you put threat in quotation marks.. why bother asking if you've already made an assumption.. my question was as it reads, that there have been no one arrested or any news of any investigation is the reason behind it.. unlike the 2 i quoted where there was the evidence which the police were able to act upon.. as it happens he has history of lying but on this as you raised it do you know if there is any evidence..? Most politicians have a history of lying.. However http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/686146/Strain-family-life-death-threats-Nigel-Farage-Ukip-leader-resignation https://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/nigel-farage-is-receiving-online-death-threats-in-the-wake-o?utm_term=.cuoy697jz4#.pcY4QyWnGL The latter shows evidence. No idea if police are investigating?" listen just cos someone says i had a death threat does not mean it happens, unless it was by carrier pigeon or someone said it to him in person there will be a trail eg. tweets, emails etc.. where the other people have been threatened the police have acted, use your noggin maybe and think that this could just be Nigel playing to the galleries.. again.. death threats are not acceptable whomever it is.. | |||
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people? Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. by an anonymous school friend? Ye ok
Anyone who claims this does not understand what fascism is. Everything that Farage and UKIP stand for is the complete opposite of fascism"Of course it is.... This from the same person who insists the EU is a Stalinist plot...
But, in the spirit of the forums being "fun", I give you "UKIP or Fascist":
http://www.remarkably.com/ukip-fascist/ | |||
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people? Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. by an anonymous school friend? Ye ok
Anyone who claims this does not understand what fascism is. Everything that Farage and UKIP stand for is the complete opposite of fascism
Of course it is.... This from the same person who insists the EU is a Stalinist plot...
But, in the spirit of the forums being "fun", I give you "UKIP or Fascist":
http://www.remarkably.com/ukip-fascist/"You obviously don't understand what fascism is. Look up the meaning/definition and tell us how in any way that can apply to UKIP policies? | |||
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people? Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. by an anonymous school friend? Ye ok
Anyone who claims this does not understand what fascism is. Everything that Farage and UKIP stand for is the complete opposite of fascism
Of course it is.... This from the same person who insists the EU is a Stalinist plot...
But, in the spirit of the forums being "fun", I give you "UKIP or Fascist":
http://www.remarkably.com/ukip-fascist/
You obviously don't understand what fascism is. Look up the meaning/definition and tell us how in any way that can apply to UKIP policies?"Here are 14 tenants of Fascism, how many apply to UKIP? Powerful and Continuing Nationalism Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. Supremacy of the Military Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. Rampant Sexism The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy. Controlled Mass Media Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. Obsession with National Security Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. Religion and Government are Intertwined Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. Corporate Power is Protected The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. Labor Power is Suppressed Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed . Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts. Obsession with Crime and Punishment Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. Fraudulent Elections Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections. | |||
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people? Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. by an anonymous school friend? Ye ok
Anyone who claims this does not understand what fascism is. Everything that Farage and UKIP stand for is the complete opposite of fascism
Of course it is.... This from the same person who insists the EU is a Stalinist plot...
But, in the spirit of the forums being "fun", I give you "UKIP or Fascist":
http://www.remarkably.com/ukip-fascist/
You obviously don't understand what fascism is. Look up the meaning/definition and tell us how in any way that can apply to UKIP policies?
Here are 14 tenants of Fascism, how many apply to UKIP?
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections."none | |||
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people? Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. by an anonymous school friend? Ye ok
Anyone who claims this does not understand what fascism is. Everything that Farage and UKIP stand for is the complete opposite of fascism
Of course it is.... This from the same person who insists the EU is a Stalinist plot...
But, in the spirit of the forums being "fun", I give you "UKIP or Fascist":
http://www.remarkably.com/ukip-fascist/
You obviously don't understand what fascism is. Look up the meaning/definition and tell us how in any way that can apply to UKIP policies?
Here are 14 tenants of Fascism, how many apply to UKIP?
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
none"None? So it would be fair to describe UKIP as anti-Nationalist, Pro-Human Rights, Anti-Military, anti-business, pro-feminist, intellectuals would it? | |||
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people? Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. by an anonymous school friend? Ye ok
Anyone who claims this does not understand what fascism is. Everything that Farage and UKIP stand for is the complete opposite of fascism
Of course it is.... This from the same person who insists the EU is a Stalinist plot...
But, in the spirit of the forums being "fun", I give you "UKIP or Fascist":
http://www.remarkably.com/ukip-fascist/
You obviously don't understand what fascism is. Look up the meaning/definition and tell us how in any way that can apply to UKIP policies?
Here are 14 tenants of Fascism, how many apply to UKIP?
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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"Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete. UKIP advocates democracy and is more democratic than the other mainstream parties. Fascists believe that a state should be lead by a dictator. UKIP's main objection to the EU is that it is run by powerful unelected officials. Fascists believe that political violence, war and imperialism is a means that can achieve national rejuvenation. UKIP has campaigned against the UK's involvement in overseas conflict. Fascists advocate a mixed economy with the principle goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies. UKIP are in favour of unregulated free markets and free trade. Now having read that back, thinking about it I would describe the EU as fascist. I'm sure a blue and gold flag waving Euro anthem singer will disagree with me though" ...spot on. | |||
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"Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete. UKIP advocates democracy and is more democratic than the other mainstream parties. Fascists believe that a state should be lead by a dictator. UKIP's main objection to the EU is that it is run by powerful unelected officials. Fascists believe that political violence, war and imperialism is a means that can achieve national rejuvenation. UKIP has campaigned against the UK's involvement in overseas conflict. Fascists advocate a mixed economy with the principle goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies. UKIP are in favour of unregulated free markets and free trade. Now having read that back, thinking about it I would describe the EU as fascist. I'm sure a blue and gold flag waving Euro anthem singer will disagree with me though" It's not a Brexit issue. I'm not pro EU, but I am anti fascist and UKIP have a lot in common with the tenets of fascism, as above. Again, this link is widely recognised by the far right, with Britain First turning out to support UKIP on the streets and the EDL falling over themselves in order to claim that they have been in talks with UKIP. The BNP have expressed sympathy too. How is it that most of the organised far right sees the link, and yet you don't? | |||
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"Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete. UKIP advocates democracy and is more democratic than the other mainstream parties. Fascists believe that a state should be lead by a dictator. UKIP's main objection to the EU is that it is run by powerful unelected officials. Fascists believe that political violence, war and imperialism is a means that can achieve national rejuvenation. UKIP has campaigned against the UK's involvement in overseas conflict. Fascists advocate a mixed economy with the principle goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies. UKIP are in favour of unregulated free markets and free trade. Now having read that back, thinking about it I would describe the EU as fascist. I'm sure a blue and gold flag waving Euro anthem singer will disagree with me though It's not a Brexit issue. I'm not pro EU, but I am anti fascist and UKIP have a lot in common with the tenets of fascism, as above. Again, this link is widely recognised by the far right, with Britain First turning out to support UKIP on the streets and the EDL falling over themselves in order to claim that they have been in talks with UKIP. The BNP have expressed sympathy too. How is it that most of the organised far right sees the link, and yet you don't?" Because the far right are pretty irrelevant now and their policies were closer to Labours if you look at it closely. If you think about it UKIP have done more to eradicate the far right than anybody. Yes you will get racists trying to attatch themselves to the party but that is true of all the parties | |||
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"Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete. UKIP advocates democracy and is more democratic than the other mainstream parties. Fascists believe that a state should be lead by a dictator. UKIP's main objection to the EU is that it is run by powerful unelected officials. Fascists believe that political violence, war and imperialism is a means that can achieve national rejuvenation. UKIP has campaigned against the UK's involvement in overseas conflict. Fascists advocate a mixed economy with the principle goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies. UKIP are in favour of unregulated free markets and free trade. Now having read that back, thinking about it I would describe the EU as fascist. I'm sure a blue and gold flag waving Euro anthem singer will disagree with me though It's not a Brexit issue. I'm not pro EU, but I am anti fascist and UKIP have a lot in common with the tenets of fascism, as above. Again, this link is widely recognised by the far right, with Britain First turning out to support UKIP on the streets and the EDL falling over themselves in order to claim that they have been in talks with UKIP. The BNP have expressed sympathy too. How is it that most of the organised far right sees the link, and yet you don't? Because the far right are pretty irrelevant now and their policies were closer to Labours if you look at it closely. If you think about it UKIP have done more to eradicate the far right than anybody. Yes you will get racists trying to attatch themselves to the party but that is true of all the parties" ...wasn't it the Conservative party who let ex-national front members join their party. | |||
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"Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete. UKIP advocates democracy and is more democratic than the other mainstream parties. Fascists believe that a state should be lead by a dictator. UKIP's main objection to the EU is that it is run by powerful unelected officials. Fascists believe that political violence, war and imperialism is a means that can achieve national rejuvenation. UKIP has campaigned against the UK's involvement in overseas conflict. Fascists advocate a mixed economy with the principle goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies. UKIP are in favour of unregulated free markets and free trade. Now having read that back, thinking about it I would describe the EU as fascist. I'm sure a blue and gold flag waving Euro anthem singer will disagree with me though It's not a Brexit issue. I'm not pro EU, but I am anti fascist and UKIP have a lot in common with the tenets of fascism, as above. Again, this link is widely recognised by the far right, with Britain First turning out to support UKIP on the streets and the EDL falling over themselves in order to claim that they have been in talks with UKIP. The BNP have expressed sympathy too. How is it that most of the organised far right sees the link, and yet you don't? Because the far right are pretty irrelevant now and their policies were closer to Labours if you look at it closely. If you think about it UKIP have done more to eradicate the far right than anybody. Yes you will get racists trying to attatch themselves to the party but that is true of all the parties" Pretty irrelevant how? They exist. Kassan wants to admit BNP members to UKIP on a case by case basis, the EDL claim to have taken over a branch of UKIP. The policies of the BNP are only like that of the Labour party "if you think about it" if you are particularly hard of thinking. | |||
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"Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete. UKIP advocates democracy and is more democratic than the other mainstream parties. Fascists believe that a state should be lead by a dictator. UKIP's main objection to the EU is that it is run by powerful unelected officials. Fascists believe that political violence, war and imperialism is a means that can achieve national rejuvenation. UKIP has campaigned against the UK's involvement in overseas conflict. Fascists advocate a mixed economy with the principle goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies. UKIP are in favour of unregulated free markets and free trade. Now having read that back, thinking about it I would describe the EU as fascist. I'm sure a blue and gold flag waving Euro anthem singer will disagree with me though It's not a Brexit issue. I'm not pro EU, but I am anti fascist and UKIP have a lot in common with the tenets of fascism, as above. Again, this link is widely recognised by the far right, with Britain First turning out to support UKIP on the streets and the EDL falling over themselves in order to claim that they have been in talks with UKIP. The BNP have expressed sympathy too. How is it that most of the organised far right sees the link, and yet you don't? Because the far right are pretty irrelevant now and their policies were closer to Labours if you look at it closely. If you think about it UKIP have done more to eradicate the far right than anybody. Yes you will get racists trying to attatch themselves to the party but that is true of all the parties...wasn't it the Conservative party who let ex-national front members join their party." Possibly. Much in the same way kassan wants BNP members in UKIP. | |||
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"Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete. UKIP advocates democracy and is more democratic than the other mainstream parties. Fascists believe that a state should be lead by a dictator. UKIP's main objection to the EU is that it is run by powerful unelected officials. Fascists believe that political violence, war and imperialism is a means that can achieve national rejuvenation. UKIP has campaigned against the UK's involvement in overseas conflict. Fascists advocate a mixed economy with the principle goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies. UKIP are in favour of unregulated free markets and free trade. Now having read that back, thinking about it I would describe the EU as fascist. I'm sure a blue and gold flag waving Euro anthem singer will disagree with me though It's not a Brexit issue. I'm not pro EU, but I am anti fascist and UKIP have a lot in common with the tenets of fascism, as above. Again, this link is widely recognised by the far right, with Britain First turning out to support UKIP on the streets and the EDL falling over themselves in order to claim that they have been in talks with UKIP. The BNP have expressed sympathy too. How is it that most of the organised far right sees the link, and yet you don't? Because the far right are pretty irrelevant now and their policies were closer to Labours if you look at it closely. If you think about it UKIP have done more to eradicate the far right than anybody. Yes you will get racists trying to attatch themselves to the party but that is true of all the parties Pretty irrelevant how? They exist. Kassan wants to admit BNP members to UKIP on a case by case basis, the EDL claim to have taken over a branch of UKIP. The policies of the BNP are only like that of the Labour party "if you think about it" if you are particularly hard of thinking. " both are against free trade and support nationalising industries etc, I take it you are hard of thinking | |||
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"UKIP is the acceptable face of racism.There has been plenty of undercover journalist who have exposed them for the scum they are." That must also apply to the labour party then with all the anti semitism among militant Labour momentum activists which has been uncovered by journalists. | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements... It's just been on BBC news that ISIS have claimed responsibility for the Berlin attack. ... With no evidence... " If isis have claimed responsibility that is evidence in that it is a confession. The police take someone confessing to a crime as evidence. | |||
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"If isis have claimed responsibility that is evidence in that it is a confession. The police take someone confessing to a crime as evidence. " I for one would not be so quick to take an ISIS claim of responsibility as gospel. After all they have been taking a hammering in both Syria and Iraq and may just be looking for a 'good news story' to tell their followers. But at the same time I would not dismiss the claim either, after all they have been urging those they are radicalising to launch attacks of this sort for well over a year now. On balance I would suggest that if a paper trail is found when the killer is apprehended that there will be some link to ISIS even if it is only in the form of reading its literature. | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements... It's just been on BBC news that ISIS have claimed responsibility for the Berlin attack. ... With no evidence... If isis have claimed responsibility that is evidence in that it is a confession. The police take someone confessing to a crime as evidence. " It is not a confession unless it comes from the person who committed the crime. It may well have been IS-inspired but it is too early to tell. | |||
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people? Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. by an anonymous school friend? Ye ok
Anyone who claims this does not understand what fascism is. Everything that Farage and UKIP stand for is the complete opposite of fascism" | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements... It's just been on BBC news that ISIS have claimed responsibility for the Berlin attack. ... With no evidence... If isis have claimed responsibility that is evidence in that it is a confession. The police take someone confessing to a crime as evidence. It is not a confession unless it comes from the person who committed the crime. It may well have been IS-inspired but it is too early to tell." And has a false confession ever been taken in the past? | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements... It's just been on BBC news that ISIS have claimed responsibility for the Berlin attack. ... With no evidence... If isis have claimed responsibility that is evidence in that it is a confession. The police take someone confessing to a crime as evidence. It is not a confession unless it comes from the person who committed the crime. It may well have been IS-inspired but it is too early to tell. And has a false confession ever been taken in the past?" I don't deny IS is involved. I don't like people jump to conclusions. Like the woman who was kicked down the stairs in German were blaming Muslims. Turned out to be eastern European. Same yesterday with someone from Afghanistan/Pakistan. The BBC gave a biased impression. | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements... It's just been on BBC news that ISIS have claimed responsibility for the Berlin attack. ... With no evidence... If isis have claimed responsibility that is evidence in that it is a confession. The police take someone confessing to a crime as evidence. It is not a confession unless it comes from the person who committed the crime. It may well have been IS-inspired but it is too early to tell. And has a false confession ever been taken in the past?" Possibly. Maybe. I don't know. Is it important? | |||
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"UKIP is the acceptable face of racism.There has been plenty of undercover journalist who have exposed them for the scum they are." ...how about the bombing of innocent children and women in their own homelands...can't get anymore racist and evil than that. | |||
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"UKIP is the acceptable face of racism.There has been plenty of undercover journalist who have exposed them for the scum they are....how about the bombing of innocent children and women in their own homelands...can't get anymore racist and evil than that." Eh? | |||
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"UKIP is the acceptable face of racism.There has been plenty of undercover journalist who have exposed them for the scum they are....how about the bombing of innocent children and women in their own homelands...can't get anymore racist and evil than that. Eh? "UKIP did vote for that too. Shame. I believe Corbyn didn't. | |||
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"Terrible news from Berlin but no surprise,” he wrote. “Events like these will be the Merkel legacy.” Another Farage hate-fest? I don't know about her legacy but this and previous murders are definitely her responsibility in part because if she didn't have a blanket unregulated open-door policy we wouldn't be having this discussion! She recklessly and negligently let in anyone without any document or background/criminal checks with the result that approximately 80% of the 'asylum seekers' are single males with no ID. She started backtracking in November when she announced that she now intends to deport 100,000 Afghans which she knows will be legally problematic because German authorities cannot be sure of the nationalities of those they are supposed to deport while failed asylum seekers like the new Berlin slaughter suspect seem to get indefinite leave to stay anyway and can still travel around the EU at their leisure!? Total unmitigated chaos from a clearly very arrogant woman who has already been far too long in power (11 years) and still thirsts for more!!! " An excellent post from a member who values peoples safety .   | |||
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"UKIP is the acceptable face of racism.There has been plenty of undercover journalist who have exposed them for the scum they are....how about the bombing of innocent children and women in their own homelands...can't get anymore racist and evil than that. Eh?
UKIP did vote for that too. Shame. I believe Corbyn didn't."Well, yes, they did. I'm not etirely sure how its pertininet to the topic in hand though. I note that none of the UKIP-ers have made any attempt to deny the links to Britain First and the EDL though. | |||
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"UKIP is the acceptable face of racism.There has been plenty of undercover journalist who have exposed them for the scum they are....how about the bombing of innocent children and women in their own homelands...can't get anymore racist and evil than that." What are you referring to? | |||
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"UKIP is the acceptable face of racism.There has been plenty of undercover journalist who have exposed them for the scum they are....how about the bombing of innocent children and women in their own homelands...can't get anymore racist and evil than that. Eh?
UKIP did vote for that too. Shame. I believe Corbyn didn't.
Well, yes, they did. I'm not etirely sure how its pertininet to the topic in hand though.
I note that none of the UKIP-ers have made any attempt to deny the links to Britain First and the EDL though. "I was referring to the post before. I'm assuming they're referring to Labour/Conservative. So now I question it and ask the same thing. What are they referring to. | |||
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people? Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. by an anonymous school friend? Ye ok
Anyone who claims this does not understand what fascism is. Everything that Farage and UKIP stand for is the complete opposite of fascism"Populist policies which aim to blame all problems on people who belong to a different demographic, whipping up hatred. No, nothing like fascism at all Typed in MS irony font | |||
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people? Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. by an anonymous school friend? Ye ok
Anyone who claims this does not understand what fascism is. Everything that Farage and UKIP stand for is the complete opposite of fascism
Populist policies which aim to blame all problems on people who belong to a different demographic, whipping up hatred. No, nothing like fascism at all Typed in MS irony font
"Ah, populist/populism, the new not so subtle words used by the losing 'liberal establishment' to imply that people who don't agree with them are thick. They are against EU policies not people of a different demographic. If you want to accuse them of that and of whipping up hatred, what have members of the other two main parties been saying about the level of immigration for years? Are they fascists too? | |||
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people? Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. by an anonymous school friend? Ye ok
Anyone who claims this does not understand what fascism is. Everything that Farage and UKIP stand for is the complete opposite of fascism
Populist policies which aim to blame all problems on people who belong to a different demographic, whipping up hatred. No, nothing like fascism at all Typed in MS irony font
Ah, populist/populism, the new not so subtle words used by the losing 'liberal establishment' to imply that people who don't agree with them are thick. They are against EU policies not people of a different demographic. If you want to accuse them of that and of whipping up hatred, what have members of the other two main parties been saying about the level of immigration for years? Are they fascists too?"I think I'll just repost one of the central tenants of Fascism and we'll see how your comment fits
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
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Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe...
"Yep, that suitably sums up the koran-based ideology of the members, supporters and followers (and their social media excusers) of the Islamic State, Boku Haram, Al Queda, The Nusra Front, The Muslim Brotherhood...who regularly carry out atrocities against members of the civilised world. | |||
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people? Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. by an anonymous school friend? Ye ok
Anyone who claims this does not understand what fascism is. Everything that Farage and UKIP stand for is the complete opposite of fascism
Populist policies which aim to blame all problems on people who belong to a different demographic, whipping up hatred. No, nothing like fascism at all Typed in MS irony font
Ah, populist/populism, the new not so subtle words used by the losing 'liberal establishment' to imply that people who don't agree with them are thick. They are against EU policies not people of a different demographic. If you want to accuse them of that and of whipping up hatred, what have members of the other two main parties been saying about the level of immigration for years? Are they fascists too?
I think I'll just repost one of the central tenants of Fascism and we'll see how your comment fits
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
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"Have I read this wrong but wouldn't somebody who is involved with an organisation that fights extremism know more about extremism than Farage/most people? Farrage is an extremist himself.... His youthful dalliance with Fascism is well documented. So I guess he'd know an awful lot about it. by an anonymous school friend? Ye ok
Anyone who claims this does not understand what fascism is. Everything that Farage and UKIP stand for is the complete opposite of fascism
Populist policies which aim to blame all problems on people who belong to a different demographic, whipping up hatred. No, nothing like fascism at all Typed in MS irony font
Ah, populist/populism, the new not so subtle words used by the losing 'liberal establishment' to imply that people who don't agree with them are thick. They are against EU policies not people of a different demographic. If you want to accuse them of that and of whipping up hatred, what have members of the other two main parties been saying about the level of immigration for years? Are they fascists too?
I think I'll just repost one of the central tenants of Fascism and we'll see how your comment fits
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
and what does that have to do with UKIP?"Its what UKIP does, and its what you do. | |||
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"Terrible news from Berlin but no surprise,” he wrote. “Events like these will be the Merkel legacy.” Another Farage hate-fest? I don't know about her legacy but this and previous murders are definitely her responsibility in part because if she didn't have a blanket unregulated open-door policy we wouldn't be having this discussion! She recklessly and negligently let in anyone without any document or background/criminal checks with the result that approximately 80% of the 'asylum seekers' are single males with no ID. She started backtracking in November when she announced that she now intends to deport 100,000 Afghans which she knows will be legally problematic because German authorities cannot be sure of the nationalities of those they are supposed to deport while failed asylum seekers like the new Berlin slaughter suspect seem to get indefinite leave to stay anyway and can still travel around the EU at their leisure!? Total unmitigated chaos from a clearly very arrogant woman who has already been far too long in power (11 years) and still thirsts for more!!! " She won't be in power for long. I think her days are numbered now, she'll get beat by the AFD party in next year's election in Germany. | |||
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"Terrible news from Berlin but no surprise,” he wrote. “Events like these will be the Merkel legacy.” Another Farage hate-fest? I don't know about her legacy but this and previous murders are definitely her responsibility in part because if she didn't have a blanket unregulated open-door policy we wouldn't be having this discussion! She recklessly and negligently let in anyone without any document or background/criminal checks with the result that approximately 80% of the 'asylum seekers' are single males with no ID. She started backtracking in November when she announced that she now intends to deport 100,000 Afghans which she knows will be legally problematic because German authorities cannot be sure of the nationalities of those they are supposed to deport while failed asylum seekers like the new Berlin slaughter suspect seem to get indefinite leave to stay anyway and can still travel around the EU at their leisure!? Total unmitigated chaos from a clearly very arrogant woman who has already been far too long in power (11 years) and still thirsts for more!!! She won't be in power for long. I think her days are numbered now, she'll get beat by the AFD party in next year's election in Germany. " The rise of the far right in Germany is not something to celebrate, wouldn't you agree? | |||
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"Terrible news from Berlin but no surprise,” he wrote. “Events like these will be the Merkel legacy.” Another Farage hate-fest? I don't know about her legacy but this and previous murders are definitely her responsibility in part because if she didn't have a blanket unregulated open-door policy we wouldn't be having this discussion! She recklessly and negligently let in anyone without any document or background/criminal checks with the result that approximately 80% of the 'asylum seekers' are single males with no ID. She started backtracking in November when she announced that she now intends to deport 100,000 Afghans which she knows will be legally problematic because German authorities cannot be sure of the nationalities of those they are supposed to deport while failed asylum seekers like the new Berlin slaughter suspect seem to get indefinite leave to stay anyway and can still travel around the EU at their leisure!? Total unmitigated chaos from a clearly very arrogant woman who has already been far too long in power (11 years) and still thirsts for more!!! She won't be in power for long. I think her days are numbered now, she'll get beat by the AFD party in next year's election in Germany. The rise of the far right in Germany is not something to celebrate, wouldn't you agree? " Well, it's a route that's been tried before...  | |||
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" The rise of the far right in Germany is not something to celebrate, wouldn't you agree? " It certainly isnt BUT who is to blame for it? Could it be the political elite that think they know best for their population but ignore theirs worries and dont care that many feel they are being left behind, people only turn ro extremists because no one is listening | |||
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" The rise of the far right in Germany is not something to celebrate, wouldn't you agree? It certainly isnt BUT who is to blame for it? Could it be the political elite that think they know best for their population but ignore theirs worries and dont care that many feel they are being left behind, people only turn ro extremists because no one is listening " That's them ! | |||
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" The rise of the far right in Germany is not something to celebrate, wouldn't you agree? It certainly isnt BUT who is to blame for it? Could it be the political elite that think they know best for their population but ignore theirs worries and dont care that many feel they are being left behind, people only turn ro extremists because no one is listening " Sorry, I'm going to blame the far right for the rise of the far right. | |||
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" The rise of the far right in Germany is not something to celebrate, wouldn't you agree? It certainly isnt BUT who is to blame for it? Could it be the political elite that think they know best for their population but ignore theirs worries and dont care that many feel they are being left behind, people only turn ro extremists because no one is listening Sorry, I'm going to blame the far right for the rise of the far right." Yes and No ! Too much of one extreme leads to another ! Look at what used to be the old East Germany ! Under strict communist rule for years ! Yet that is where the far Right in Germany are the strongest ! | |||
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" The rise of the far right in Germany is not something to celebrate, wouldn't you agree? It certainly isnt BUT who is to blame for it? Could it be the political elite that think they know best for their population but ignore theirs worries and dont care that many feel they are being left behind, people only turn ro extremists because no one is listening Sorry, I'm going to blame the far right for the rise of the far right." bit like the chicken and the egg? | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements... It's just been on BBC news that ISIS have claimed responsibility for the Berlin attack. ... With no evidence... If isis have claimed responsibility that is evidence in that it is a confession. The police take someone confessing to a crime as evidence. It is not a confession unless it comes from the person who committed the crime. It may well have been IS-inspired but it is too early to tell. And has a false confession ever been taken in the past? I don't deny IS is involved. I don't like people jump to conclusions. Like the woman who was kicked down the stairs in German were blaming Muslims. Turned out to be eastern European. Same yesterday with someone from Afghanistan/Pakistan. The BBC gave a biased impression. " There is no question about it now. The guy who committed the terrorist atrocity in Berlin, a Tunisian asylum seeker/economic migrant, has been shown on the news where he pleadged allegiance to ISIS in a personal video he made of himself before he carried out the terrorist attack in the truck in Berlin. He must have known the video would be shown world wide after he carried out his cowardly and despicable terrorist act. He was also on the USA no fly list, and had known links to other Islamist extremists. He was Shot dead in the street in Milan by Italian police who stopped him and asked him to produce ID, when he pulled a gun and shot one of the police officers. Thankfully the police officer is making a recovery in hospital now. Doesn't this case again highlight the failures of the EU with its crazy open borders policy, he was a wanted man for several days yet was able to travel from Germany to France and then from France to Italy unhindered. | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements... It's just been on BBC news that ISIS have claimed responsibility for the Berlin attack. ... With no evidence... If isis have claimed responsibility that is evidence in that it is a confession. The police take someone confessing to a crime as evidence. It is not a confession unless it comes from the person who committed the crime. It may well have been IS-inspired but it is too early to tell. And has a false confession ever been taken in the past? I don't deny IS is involved. I don't like people jump to conclusions. Like the woman who was kicked down the stairs in German were blaming Muslims. Turned out to be eastern European. Same yesterday with someone from Afghanistan/Pakistan. The BBC gave a biased impression. There is no question about it now. The guy who committed the terrorist atrocity in Berlin, a Tunisian asylum seeker/economic migrant, has been shown on the news where he pleadged allegiance to ISIS in a personal video he made of himself before he carried out the terrorist attack in the truck in Berlin. He must have known the video would be shown world wide after he carried out his cowardly and despicable terrorist act. He was also on the USA no fly list, and had known links to other Islamist extremists. He was Shot dead in the street in Milan by Italian police who stopped him and asked him to produce ID, when he pulled a gun and shot one of the police officers. Thankfully the police officer is making a recovery in hospital now. Doesn't this case again highlight the failures of the EU with its crazy open borders policy, he was a wanted man for several days yet was able to travel from Germany to France and then from France to Italy unhindered. " Well which one was he? You say there is no question about it, but don't know if he is an asylum seeker or an economic migrant. They are two totally different things. | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements... It's just been on BBC news that ISIS have claimed responsibility for the Berlin attack. ... With no evidence... If isis have claimed responsibility that is evidence in that it is a confession. The police take someone confessing to a crime as evidence. It is not a confession unless it comes from the person who committed the crime. It may well have been IS-inspired but it is too early to tell. And has a false confession ever been taken in the past? I don't deny IS is involved. I don't like people jump to conclusions. Like the woman who was kicked down the stairs in German were blaming Muslims. Turned out to be eastern European. Same yesterday with someone from Afghanistan/Pakistan. The BBC gave a biased impression. There is no question about it now. The guy who committed the terrorist atrocity in Berlin, a Tunisian asylum seeker/economic migrant, has been shown on the news where he pleadged allegiance to ISIS in a personal video he made of himself before he carried out the terrorist attack in the truck in Berlin. He must have known the video would be shown world wide after he carried out his cowardly and despicable terrorist act. He was also on the USA no fly list, and had known links to other Islamist extremists. He was Shot dead in the street in Milan by Italian police who stopped him and asked him to produce ID, when he pulled a gun and shot one of the police officers. Thankfully the police officer is making a recovery in hospital now. Doesn't this case again highlight the failures of the EU with its crazy open borders policy, he was a wanted man for several days yet was able to travel from Germany to France and then from France to Italy unhindered. Well which one was he? You say there is no question about it, but don't know if he is an asylum seeker or an economic migrant. They are two totally different things." what difference does it make? You goimg to say something good about him? | |||
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" Doesn't this case again highlight the failures of the EU with its crazy open borders policy, he was a wanted man for several days yet was able to travel from Germany to France and then from France to Italy unhindered. " So how would see this changing then? What measures do you think would be sufficient to stop someone on the run travelling from Germany to France to Italy? Are you suggesting that passport control checkpoints are erected and vehicle searches are performed at each and every road crossing between EU countries? And some kind of physical border be erected between each of those countries? -Matt | |||
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" what difference does it make? You goimg to say something good about him?" He is neither. He was a criminal that escaped Tunisia into Italy. They rejected his asylum papers but the deportation took longer. To be fair if there was intelligence on him and he was on the no fly list. Why was he allowed to stay for so long. Also the fact that a European wide hunt actually caught the guy. In the country that let him in already. Should we blame or congratulate Italy. I have no sympathy for people who are terrorist. But I am still against tarnishing nations or cultures based on a minority. If I do then the Jimmy Saville, FA coaches case and the cover ups for the churches makes me wonder... | |||
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" Well which one was he? You say there is no question about it, but don't know if he is an asylum seeker or an economic migrant. They are two totally different things. what difference does it make? You goimg to say something good about him?" What difference does it make? Well.I prefer the truth, I know that not in vogue in some circles these days, but I'm old fashioned. If I said that he was a UKIP and Brexit supporter would you be happy to let that stand, or would you prefer to state the truth? | |||
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" Well which one was he? You say there is no question about it, but don't know if he is an asylum seeker or an economic migrant. They are two totally different things. what difference does it make? You goimg to say something good about him? What difference does it make? Well.I prefer the truth, I know that not in vogue in some circles these days, but I'm old fashioned. If I said that he was a UKIP and Brexit supporter would you be happy to let that stand, or would you prefer to state the truth? " er yes, that would be fine, I don't see your point. What difference does it make? | |||
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"I think the point Nigel makes is that inviting people to head for Germany directly is asking for trouble. Especially in the times we live in. There needs to be vetting of people entering any country to try and avoid those who seek to harm. but since for example.... in the last 2 days... 1)the person who was originally held over the berlin incident has been released after there was no forensic evidence to link him 2) the incident in switzerland at the zurich islamic centre, which was initally claimed by some to be terrorism, has now been ruled out to be such... so maybe its a wise idea for people to slow down and wait for actual evidence before making kneejerk statements... It's just been on BBC news that ISIS have claimed responsibility for the Berlin attack. ... With no evidence... If isis have claimed responsibility that is evidence in that it is a confession. The police take someone confessing to a crime as evidence. It is not a confession unless it comes from the person who committed the crime. It may well have been IS-inspired but it is too early to tell. And has a false confession ever been taken in the past? I don't deny IS is involved. I don't like people jump to conclusions. Like the woman who was kicked down the stairs in German were blaming Muslims. Turned out to be eastern European. Same yesterday with someone from Afghanistan/Pakistan. The BBC gave a biased impression. There is no question about it now. The guy who committed the terrorist atrocity in Berlin, a Tunisian asylum seeker/economic migrant, has been shown on the news where he pleadged allegiance to ISIS in a personal video he made of himself before he carried out the terrorist attack in the truck in Berlin. He must have known the video would be shown world wide after he carried out his cowardly and despicable terrorist act. He was also on the USA no fly list, and had known links to other Islamist extremists. He was Shot dead in the street in Milan by Italian police who stopped him and asked him to produce ID, when he pulled a gun and shot one of the police officers. Thankfully the police officer is making a recovery in hospital now. Doesn't this case again highlight the failures of the EU with its crazy open borders policy, he was a wanted man for several days yet was able to travel from Germany to France and then from France to Italy unhindered. Well which one was he? You say there is no question about it, but don't know if he is an asylum seeker or an economic migrant. They are two totally different things." It's really not that difficult to understand but yet again you just don't get it. He was an asylum seeker who tried to claim asylum but his application was rejected. Then when his application was rejected he automatically became an economic migrant so he was both an asylum seeker and an economic migrant. | |||
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" Well which one was he? You say there is no question about it, but don't know if he is an asylum seeker or an economic migrant. They are two totally different things. what difference does it make? You goimg to say something good about him? What difference does it make? Well.I prefer the truth, I know that not in vogue in some circles these days, but I'm old fashioned. If I said that he was a UKIP and Brexit supporter would you be happy to let that stand, or would you prefer to state the truth? " Yes I'd be happy to let that stand. Aren't most ukip supporters also Brexit supporters. | |||
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" The rise of the far right in Germany is not something to celebrate, wouldn't you agree? It certainly isnt BUT who is to blame for it? Could it be the political elite that think they know best for their population but ignore theirs worries and dont care that many feel they are being left behind, people only turn ro extremists because no one is listening Sorry, I'm going to blame the far right for the rise of the far right. bit like the chicken and the egg?" Who are you going to blame? Let me guess...... | |||
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