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"Its a general rule in pubs and social gatherings that its best not to argue about politics. Very well educated people are paid huge amounts of money to run our country. They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ? A path taken with 2 options is easy but politics is about thousands of decisions that can have VERY different outcomes. people trying to foresee the future are just guessing.All the arguments about brexit are just that . " Are they very well educated or just fortunate to have been educated well? | |||
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"Its a general rule in pubs and social gatherings that its best not to argue about politics. Very well educated people are paid huge amounts of money to run our country. They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ? A path taken with 2 options is easy but politics is about thousands of decisions that can have VERY different outcomes. people trying to foresee the future are just guessing.All the arguments about brexit are just that . Are they very well educated or just fortunate to have been educated well? " Just because you are well educated or someone tells you you are, doesnt mean you are intelligent or have any common sense | |||
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"Religion and politics are the 2 subjects are best left out of the pub "Why? Like it or not the one thing that effects the lives of every single person on the planet is politics. Politics rule our lives, our deaths and for many the way we die. I would have thought that something that important should be the subject of conversation everywhere, however I guess that it is much more important how the 22 millionaires kicked a ball round for 90 minutes on Saturday for most. 
"Its a general rule in pubs and social gatherings that its best not to argue about politics. Very well educated people are paid huge amounts of money to run our country. They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ? A path taken with 2 options is easy but politics is about thousands of decisions that can have VERY different outcomes. people trying to foresee the future are just guessing.All the arguments about brexit are just that ." OP, see above and don't bother your pretty little head about things you will never understand, be a good little prol now and go watch some millionaires kick a ball. Does what I have just said seem in any way wrong or insulting to you? It does to me! But that is what we are told all the time and funnily enough its us who always seem to end up loosing while those making the decisions get fat. Do you think there may be a lesson to learn hidden in there somewhere? "Are they very well educated or just fortunate to have been educated well? " Blackwood, I seem to remember you are a teacher so please don't take what I am about to say personally it is not an attack on you or your profession, it is a simple statement of facts. State schools do not educate, they teach facts, it is called 'book learning'. There is a general rule about facts that says 50% of all know facts today will prove to be false in 10 years time. Education is is not about 'book learning' it is about critical thought and and the ability to find and understand any information required to aid that thought. Those skills are not taught until higher education in the state system. However that is what is taught in the better public schools and that is why most of our leaders come from that background. A hard to swallow truth is our state school system is designed to turn out adults who have enough 'book learning' to learn the skills required to make things work but are not educated enough to be able to critically analyse how the system is rigged to have them imprison themselves. there is real truth in the adage 'wage slave'. | |||
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"Religion and politics are the 2 subjects are best left out of the pub
Why? Like it or not the one thing that effects the lives of every single person on the planet is politics.
Politics rule our lives, our deaths and for many the way we die. I would have thought that something that important should be the subject of conversation everywhere, however I guess that it is much more important how the 22 millionaires kicked a ball round for 90 minutes on Saturday for most.
Its a general rule in pubs and social gatherings that its best not to argue about politics.
Very well educated people are paid huge amounts of money to run our country.
They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ?
A path taken with 2 options is easy but politics is about thousands of decisions that can have VERY different outcomes.
people trying to foresee the future are just guessing.All the arguments about brexit are just that .
OP, see above and don't bother your pretty little head about things you will never understand, be a good little prol now and go watch some millionaires kick a ball.
Does what I have just said seem in any way wrong or insulting to you?
It does to me! But that is what we are told all the time and funnily enough its us who always seem to end up loosing while those making the decisions get fat. Do you think there may be a lesson to learn hidden in there somewhere?
Are they very well educated or just fortunate to have been educated well?
Blackwood, I seem to remember you are a teacher so please don't take what I am about to say personally it is not an attack on you or your profession, it is a simple statement of facts.
State schools do not educate, they teach facts, it is called 'book learning'. There is a general rule about facts that says 50% of all know facts today will prove to be false in 10 years time. Education is is not about 'book learning' it is about critical thought and and the ability to find and understand any information required to aid that thought. Those skills are not taught until higher education in the state system. However that is what is taught in the better public schools and that is why most of our leaders come from that background.
A hard to swallow truth is our state school system is designed to turn out adults who have enough 'book learning' to learn the skills required to make things work but are not educated enough to be able to critically analyse how the system is rigged to have them imprison themselves.
there is real truth in the adage 'wage slave'."I am not a teacher, but I do work in the education sector 
I wouldn't argue with your contention really, but still feel good teachers and ancillary staff, working in a supportive and responsive environment can and do make a difference to their pupils/students. Hence why in some schools locally, we have a high transition rate from secondary to tertiary and then on to HE. | |||
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"Its a general rule in pubs and social gatherings that its best not to argue about politics. Very well educated people are paid huge amounts of money to run our country. They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ? A path taken with 2 options is easy but politics is about thousands of decisions that can have VERY different outcomes. people trying to foresee the future are just guessing.All the arguments about brexit are just that . Are they very well educated or just fortunate to have been educated well? Just because you are well educated or someone tells you you are, doesnt mean you are intelligent or have any common sense" Just look at Boris Johnson! | |||
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"Religion and politics are the 2 subjects are best left out of the pub "I've had decent chats with friends in the pub on politics and religion, with opposing views. They were interesting and light hearted. Afterwards we spoke about other stuff. I no longer bother with the politics forum, as it's none of those things unfortunately. | |||
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"Religion and politics are the 2 subjects are best left out of the pub
I've had decent chats with friends in the pub on politics and religion, with opposing views. They were interesting and light hearted. Afterwards we spoke about other stuff.
I no longer bother with the politics forum, as it's none of those things unfortunately."I agree, I enjoy a good honoured, heated debate. | |||
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" They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ? " It is good with different views, but you will alwais get those who reckons they are "expert" on brexit lol. | |||
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"Its a general rule in pubs and social gatherings that its best not to argue about politics. Very well educated people are paid huge amounts of money to run our country. They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ? A path taken with 2 options is easy but politics is about thousands of decisions that can have VERY different outcomes. people trying to foresee the future are just guessing.All the arguments about brexit are just that . Are they very well educated or just fortunate to have been educated well? " does it matter? they know far more than me so thats good enough. | |||
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"Religion and politics are the 2 subjects are best left out of the pub
Why? Like it or not the one thing that effects the lives of every single person on the planet is politics.
Politics rule our lives, our deaths and for many the way we die. I would have thought that something that important should be the subject of conversation everywhere, however I guess that it is much more important how the 22 millionaires kicked a ball round for 90 minutes on Saturday for most.
Its a general rule in pubs and social gatherings that its best not to argue about politics.
Very well educated people are paid huge amounts of money to run our country.
They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ?
A path taken with 2 options is easy but politics is about thousands of decisions that can have VERY different outcomes.
people trying to foresee the future are just guessing.All the arguments about brexit are just that .
OP, see above and don't bother your pretty little head about things you will never understand, be a good little prol now and go watch some millionaires kick a ball.
Does what I have just said seem in any way wrong or insulting to you?
It does to me! But that is what we are told all the time and funnily enough its us who always seem to end up loosing while those making the decisions get fat. Do you think there may be a lesson to learn hidden in there somewhere?
Are they very well educated or just fortunate to have been educated well?
Blackwood, I seem to remember you are a teacher so please don't take what I am about to say personally it is not an attack on you or your profession, it is a simple statement of facts.
State schools do not educate, they teach facts, it is called 'book learning'. There is a general rule about facts that says 50% of all know facts today will prove to be false in 10 years time. Education is is not about 'book learning' it is about critical thought and and the ability to find and understand any information required to aid that thought. Those skills are not taught until higher education in the state system. However that is what is taught in the better public schools and that is why most of our leaders come from that background.
A hard to swallow truth is our state school system is designed to turn out adults who have enough 'book learning' to learn the skills required to make things work but are not educated enough to be able to critically analyse how the system is rigged to have them imprison themselves.
there is real truth in the adage 'wage slave'."wow he said i was pretty. its very strange when people who consider themselves intelligent and complain about fat cats are relatively poor .surely with all your superior intelligence you would have a very high income. | |||
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" Are they very well educated or just fortunate to have been educated well? Blackwood, I seem to remember you are a teacher so please don't take what I am about to say personally it is not an attack on you or your profession, it is a simple statement of facts. State schools do not educate, they teach facts, it is called 'book learning'. There is a general rule about facts that says 50% of all know facts today will prove to be false in 10 years time. Education is is not about 'book learning' it is about critical thought and and the ability to find and understand any information required to aid that thought. Those skills are not taught until higher education in the state system. However that is what is taught in the better public schools and that is why most of our leaders come from that background. A hard to swallow truth is our state school system is designed to turn out adults who have enough 'book learning' to learn the skills required to make things work but are not educated enough to be able to critically analyse how the system is rigged to have them imprison themselves. there is real truth in the adage 'wage slave'." Very bitter, and wrong on so many levels. MrB | |||
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"Its a general rule in pubs and social gatherings that its best not to argue about politics. Very well educated people are paid huge amounts of money to run our country. They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ? A path taken with 2 options is easy but politics is about thousands of decisions that can have VERY different outcomes. people trying to foresee the future are just guessing.All the arguments about brexit are just that . " Whilst many politicans are well educatated and intelligent , it does not necessarily follow that they make informed decisions . The decisions made may be in their interests and not for the good of the country as a whole . I fail to see how a well educated career politician who has never worked in industry has all the necesssary skills to run the country . In addition when politicians make the wrong decisions they are still paid their salary regardless. If you are running you own businness and and make the wrong decision , you potentially face bankruptcy . Many exceptionally intelligent peoole can be lacking in common sense . | |||
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"Its a general rule in pubs and social gatherings that its best not to argue about politics. Very well educated people are paid huge amounts of money to run our country. They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ? A path taken with 2 options is easy but politics is about thousands of decisions that can have VERY different outcomes. people trying to foresee the future are just guessing.All the arguments about brexit are just that . " My MP isn't well educated or intelligent. She shouldn't even be paid minimum wage in my opinion! Assuming you define well educated as someone with a high level of education I.e degrees, then I guess many politicians do. But that doesn't make them better at doing the job than people with a lower level of education. | |||
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"Its a general rule in pubs and social gatherings that its best not to argue about politics. Very well educated people are paid huge amounts of money to run our country. They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ? A path taken with 2 options is easy but politics is about thousands of decisions that can have VERY different outcomes. people trying to foresee the future are just guessing.All the arguments about brexit are just that . " Very wise words | |||
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"wow he said i was pretty. its very strange when people who consider themselves intelligent and complain about fat cats are relatively poor .surely with all your superior intelligence you would have a very high income. " I used to be quite wealthy, but I made a very profound mistake I forgot that when my bank was taken over by Lloyd's I went from being a client of the TSB to a customer of Lloyd's buying services and unfortunately I failed to remember 'buyer beware' thus ending up bankrupt. | |||
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"Its a general rule in pubs and social gatherings that its best not to argue about politics. Very well educated people are paid huge amounts of money to run our country. They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ? A path taken with 2 options is easy but politics is about thousands of decisions that can have VERY different outcomes. people trying to foresee the future are just guessing.All the arguments about brexit are just that . My MP isn't well educated or intelligent. She shouldn't even be paid minimum wage in my opinion! Assuming you define well educated as someone with a high level of education I.e degrees, then I guess many politicians do. But that doesn't make them better at doing the job than people with a lower level of education." Some people have to have certain recognised qualifications. I would not have a "very clever person who can turn their hand to lots of things" trying out heart surgery on me. common sense is hard to measure but learning from books and retaining information is not. That's why we use qualifications to measure ability. we all know that is not the case in most situations Its how the information is used in real life that makes someone good at doing a job. | |||
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"Its a general rule in pubs and social gatherings that its best not to argue about politics. Very well educated people are paid huge amounts of money to run our country. They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ? A path taken with 2 options is easy but politics is about thousands of decisions that can have VERY different outcomes. people trying to foresee the future are just guessing.All the arguments about brexit are just that . Are they very well educated or just fortunate to have been educated well? does it matter? they know far more than me so thats good enough." I would say they know far more than we, due to being more informed, not through their education alone though. Plus, they have researchers and advisors etc. I don't necessarily think they would know more about, for example, your personal world view and experiences. Or, the life of the majority of the people they represent. | |||
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"The problem is not that they are stupid or badly advised, it is that our elected representatives do not represent us. Their first loyalty is to 'the party' which ever one it may be (until a better offer comes along), their second loyalty is to the organisations that pay them to represent them in parliament (until someone else offers them more) and their third loyalty is to whatever pet causes they champion. Only after that do their constituents get a look in. Anyone who thinks listening to caMoron for 20 minutes half an hour after feeding him is worth £120,000 frankly needs to see a shrink (although if he had fucked a pig for them...). That £120 grand was nothing more that a thinly disguised payment for services rendered while in office. " I cannot argue with that, crumbs this is becoming scary! | |||
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"The problem is not that they are stupid or badly advised, it is that our elected representatives do not represent us. Their first loyalty is to 'the party' which ever one it may be (until a better offer comes along), their second loyalty is to the organisations that pay them to represent them in parliament (until someone else offers them more) and their third loyalty is to whatever pet causes they champion. Only after that do their constituents get a look in. Anyone who thinks listening to caMoron for 20 minutes half an hour after feeding him is worth £120,000 frankly needs to see a shrink (although if he had fucked a pig for them...). That £120 grand was nothing more that a thinly disguised payment for services rendered while in office. " fortunately Corbyn won't be earning anything like that. Everybody heard what he has to say 30 years ago | |||
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"The problem is not that they are stupid or badly advised, it is that our elected representatives do not represent us. Their first loyalty is to 'the party' which ever one it may be (until a better offer comes along), their second loyalty is to the organisations that pay them to represent them in parliament (until someone else offers them more) and their third loyalty is to whatever pet causes they champion. Only after that do their constituents get a look in. Anyone who thinks listening to caMoron for 20 minutes half an hour after feeding him is worth £120,000 frankly needs to see a shrink (although if he had fucked a pig for them...). That £120 grand was nothing more that a thinly disguised payment for services rendered while in office. fortunately Corbyn won't be earning anything like that. Everybody heard what he has to say 30 years ago" So, that excuses the posters contention that Cameron was receiving a delayed payment for corporate services rendered when in office? | |||
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"So, that excuses the posters contention that Cameron was receiving a delayed payment for corporate services rendered when in office? " I think it is more a case of that's tory corruption, can ignore it and get back to how unelectable the man who wants to put a stop to it is please. A bit like lets ignore tory policy on public ownership of British infastructior... You know the one, public ownership of is fine provided it is foreign countries that own British infrastructure and use British tax payers money to subsidise foreign countries... You asked about conspiracies and conspiracy theories, I would suggest you are watching a media manipulation conspiracy on behalf of the tories unfold in front of you. I doubt anyone say down and planned it, I think it just developed out of the corrupt self interest of 6 billionaire press barons and a government that is happy to use media bias to mask how they are really asset stripping the country and passing the proceeds on to their mates. | |||
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"So, that excuses the posters contention that Cameron was receiving a delayed payment for corporate services rendered when in office? I think it is more a case of that's tory corruption, can ignore it and get back to how unelectable the man who wants to put a stop to it is please. A bit like lets ignore tory policy on public ownership of British infastructior... You know the one, public ownership of is fine provided it is foreign countries that own British infrastructure and use British tax payers money to subsidise foreign countries... You asked about conspiracies and conspiracy theories, I would suggest you are watching a media manipulation conspiracy on behalf of the tories unfold in front of you. I doubt anyone say down and planned it, I think it just developed out of the corrupt self interest of 6 billionaire press barons and a government that is happy to use media bias to mask how they are really asset stripping the country and passing the proceeds on to their mates." Who are you talking about tony blair ? | |||
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"So, that excuses the posters contention that Cameron was receiving a delayed payment for corporate services rendered when in office? I think it is more a case of that's tory corruption, can ignore it and get back to how unelectable the man who wants to put a stop to it is please. A bit like lets ignore tory policy on public ownership of British infastructior... You know the one, public ownership of is fine provided it is foreign countries that own British infrastructure and use British tax payers money to subsidise foreign countries... You asked about conspiracies and conspiracy theories, I would suggest you are watching a media manipulation conspiracy on behalf of the tories unfold in front of you. I doubt anyone say down and planned it, I think it just developed out of the corrupt self interest of 6 billionaire press barons and a government that is happy to use media bias to mask how they are really asset stripping the country and passing the proceeds on to their mates." Every time I read a reply of yours I feel anxious. I can sense you have a lot of resentment towards the establishment etc. Im no fan either, I despise the Tories, always have. However, I resigned from the Labour Party due to local corruption. I admire in many ways a lot of Corbyn's core beliefs, but can see he is unelectable. Like Michael Foot, who had a brilliant mind, but no 'street cred', for want of a better term. The Tories will only ever look after their own, you've just got to look at contributions on these forums to confirm that. I think we may have more in common than we have differences, politically speaking. | |||
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"So, that excuses the posters contention that Cameron was receiving a delayed payment for corporate services rendered when in office? I think it is more a case of that's tory corruption, can ignore it and get back to how unelectable the man who wants to put a stop to it is please. A bit like lets ignore tory policy on public ownership of British infastructior... You know the one, public ownership of is fine provided it is foreign countries that own British infrastructure and use British tax payers money to subsidise foreign countries... You asked about conspiracies and conspiracy theories, I would suggest you are watching a media manipulation conspiracy on behalf of the tories unfold in front of you. I doubt anyone say down and planned it, I think it just developed out of the corrupt self interest of 6 billionaire press barons and a government that is happy to use media bias to mask how they are really asset stripping the country and passing the proceeds on to their mates. Who are you talking about tony blair ?" I assumed Thatcher... | |||
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"Every time I read a reply of yours I feel anxious. I can sense you have a lot of resentment towards the establishment etc. Im no fan either, I despise the Tories, always have. However, I resigned from the Labour Party due to local corruption. I admire in many ways a lot of Corbyn's core beliefs, but can see he is unelectable. Like Michael Foot, who had a brilliant mind, but no 'street cred', for want of a better term. The Tories will only ever look after their own, you've just got to look at contributions on these forums to confirm that. I think we may have more in common than we have differences, politically speaking. " I have a lot of resentment towards the greedy fucks that started stealing my property in the early 80's, infiltrated the Labour Party and turned it into torylight under Tone and are now back with a vengeance stealing whats left of my country and the future of the people of my country so that they can have more in the bank than they (or their families) can ever spend. I have even greater resentment for the millionaire shits who vote to cut welfare for the poorest in this country while taking £700,000 handouts to do up their country pile! And that is nothing compared to the resentment I hold for Philip Davies MP (tory), the shit who has talked numerous bills out of time, the latest being one to stop domestic violence that had cross party support and has done similar with bills to force slum landlords to repair their properties, regulate payday lenders and force councils to provide support for those who care for the disabled, tried to ban gay marriage, wants to ban books in prisons, has voted to stop the regulation of parliamentary lobbyists. And that is nothing to the anger and resentment I feel when I am told by the hag in No10 that it is antisemitism to criticise the nazi inspired treatment of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and West bank by the government of Israel and its fascist Zionist backers! Yep, you could say I have quite a lot of resentment. I would say I am seething! | |||
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" I know nothing I'm from Barcelona  "Its not Barcelona I'm worried about... It's the Aussie shit who lives in Yankland and cant remember the day of the week and has old age shakes when he is being asked about his family and staff bribing police and tapping phones but has a remarkable recovery as soon as he is on his private jet back to the land of the trumpster where there is nothing wrong with asking a hostile foreign power to hack the computers of your political opponents to get you elected! | |||
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"If half the responses on this thread are serious, its depressing as fuck. Whatever happened to "We, the people"?" what's we the people? Never heard of it | |||
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"The problem is not that they are stupid or badly advised, it is that our elected representatives do not represent us. Their first loyalty is to 'the party' which ever one it may be (until a better offer comes along), their second loyalty is to the organisations that pay them to represent them in parliament (until someone else offers them more) and their third loyalty is to whatever pet causes they champion. Only after that do their constituents get a look in. Anyone who thinks listening to caMoron for 20 minutes half an hour after feeding him is worth £120,000 frankly needs to see a shrink (although if he had fucked a pig for them...). That £120 grand was nothing more that a thinly disguised payment for services rendered while in office. " Agree 
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"Its a general rule in pubs and social gatherings that its best not to argue about politics. Very well educated people are paid huge amounts of money to run our country. They all have conflicting views, so how do people who's only source of info is papers and the news make better decisions ? A path taken with 2 options is easy but politics is about thousands of decisions that can have VERY different outcomes. people trying to foresee the future are just guessing.All the arguments about brexit are just that . Are they very well educated or just fortunate to have been educated well? Just because you are well educated or someone tells you you are, doesnt mean you are intelligent or have any common sense" Very true education does not teach intelligence | |||
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