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"The only thing that matters now is we are ALL Brexiters no matter which way you voted and no matter what anyone says on a forum like this the result will remain the same. Like it or not we are leaving the EU for good or bad but when either side talk down the country it is only causing more division and hurting our prospects of a better life. If the EU had stayed a trading group instead of wanting to rule politically it would in my opinion have worked and everyone would have been happy." We are not all brexiters now.I'd rather have my eyeballs removed with rusty spoons than to be tared with the brexit brush.Whatever happens good or bad it's down to those who voted out.Time will tell if you were right or wrong. | |||
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"The only thing that matters now is we are ALL Brexiters no matter which way you voted ...." Utter bollocks; So everyone in the country is a Tory because you have a Tory government? Just because one side "won", doesn't mean that the rest are now automatically required to change their minds. | |||
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"The only thing that matters now is we are ALL Brexiters no matter which way you voted and no matter what anyone says on a forum like this the result will remain the same. Like it or not we are leaving the EU for good or bad but when either side talk down the country it is only causing more division and hurting our prospects of a better life. If the EU had stayed a trading group instead of wanting to rule politically it would in my opinion have worked and everyone would have been happy. We are not all brexiters now.I'd rather have my eyeballs removed with rusty spoons than to be tared with the brexit brush.Whatever happens good or bad it's down to those who voted out.Time will tell if you were right or wrong." I didn't take his comment to mean anything negative, only that as we all live in a country that has opted for Brexit, we are all in the same situation... | |||
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"The only thing that matters now is we are ALL Brexiters no matter which way you voted and no matter what anyone says on a forum like this the result will remain the same. Like it or not we are leaving the EU for good or bad but when either side talk down the country it is only causing more division and hurting our prospects of a better life. If the EU had stayed a trading group instead of wanting to rule politically it would in my opinion have worked and everyone would have been happy. We are not all brexiters now.I'd rather have my eyeballs removed with rusty spoons than to be tared with the brexit brush.Whatever happens good or bad it's down to those who voted out.Time will tell if you were right or wrong. I didn't take his comment to mean anything negative, only that as we all live in a country that has opted for Brexit, we are all in the same situation... " That's fair enough.However the good ship Britannia has set a new course over the horizon and only half the crew are in favour.There maybe a mutiny along the way. | |||
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"OP, isn't it more common to hear Remainers blaming the Brexiters for causing harm to the UK?" I think there is a difference between saying one group's actions are causing harm and saying that a group wants the UK to fail. Eg, yes i think that those that voted Brexit have cause the UK harm, but don't believe they want the UK to fail. -Matt | |||
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"OP, isn't it more common to hear Remainers blaming the Brexiters for causing harm to the UK? I think there is a difference between saying one group's actions are causing harm and saying that a group wants the UK to fail. Eg, yes i think that those that voted Brexit have cause the UK harm, but don't believe they want the UK to fail. -Matt" And I think that neither group want the UK to fail. And I think that Remainers are more prevalent in suggesting that the Brexiters wanted or voted fot some sort of fail. | |||
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"Something I've noticed on here a number of times in the Brexit discussions has been the comment along the lines of "You just want Britain to fail". Pretty much always a comment from a Brexit-supporter aimed at a Remain-supporter. It's not just on here, either but also I've seen it a lot in other online discussions. I find it a pretty strange comment. I, personally, don't want Britain to fail. Far from it. I want Britain to succeed and prosper. In my opinion, leaving the EU is a costly mistake that will be an expensive, time-consuming and divisive distraction from the goal of succeeding and prospering. And I am willing to defend that viewpoint quite pasionatly as I love my country and want it to succeed. But I'm fully aware that there is an opposite viewpoint and that there are some people that think that to succeed and prosper we must leave the EU. I can agree that we can disagree on the approach for this goal. That difference is not the point of this thread. But the bit I don't understand, is why do brexit-supporters accuse remain-supporters of wishing their country ill? As far as I can see remain-supporters accuse brexit-supporters of making the wrong choice, or perhaps being mis-informed, or not thinking through the consequences. Or in some case accusing them of being 'stupid'. There may even be anger twards them. But I don't think I see remain supporters saying that brexit-supporters want their country to fail. The cynic in me (and this will throw the cat amongst the pigeons) is that Brexit-supporters have to resort to saying that remain-supporters want the country to fail, as they can't dispute any of the actual reasoning, facts or evidence for remainer's points of view so resort to having to try to paint them as 'enemies' or 'traitors'. If you are a brexit-supporter who has said "you just want your country to fail" to a remain-supporter. Why do you think that is the case? -Matt" Maybe because remainers revel in anything and everything that could come across as 'bad news', blaming everything on Brexit. Butwhenever there is any good news the first thing remainers say is "but we haven't left yet". There is very little of remainers saying " I think you got it wrong, old chap"... and everything of remainers seemingly wanting the UK to fail so that they can say "I told you so". There are plenty of remainers calling brexiters (right from before the referendum campaign started, and ever since) thick, stupid, racist, misogynists, xenophobes, etc, etc, etc. oh, and now 'populists'... which in other words is saying "no mind of their own". | |||
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"Something I've noticed on here a number of times in the Brexit discussions has been the comment along the lines of "You just want Britain to fail". Pretty much always a comment from a Brexit-supporter aimed at a Remain-supporter. It's not just on here, either but also I've seen it a lot in other online discussions. I find it a pretty strange comment. I, personally, don't want Britain to fail. Far from it. I want Britain to succeed and prosper. In my opinion, leaving the EU is a costly mistake that will be an expensive, time-consuming and divisive distraction from the goal of succeeding and prospering. And I am willing to defend that viewpoint quite pasionatly as I love my country and want it to succeed. But I'm fully aware that there is an opposite viewpoint and that there are some people that think that to succeed and prosper we must leave the EU. I can agree that we can disagree on the approach for this goal. That difference is not the point of this thread. But the bit I don't understand, is why do brexit-supporters accuse remain-supporters of wishing their country ill? As far as I can see remain-supporters accuse brexit-supporters of making the wrong choice, or perhaps being mis-informed, or not thinking through the consequences. Or in some case accusing them of being 'stupid'. There may even be anger twards them. But I don't think I see remain supporters saying that brexit-supporters want their country to fail. The cynic in me (and this will throw the cat amongst the pigeons) is that Brexit-supporters have to resort to saying that remain-supporters want the country to fail, as they can't dispute any of the actual reasoning, facts or evidence for remainer's points of view so resort to having to try to paint them as 'enemies' or 'traitors'. If you are a brexit-supporter who has said "you just want your country to fail" to a remain-supporter. Why do you think that is the case? -Matt" a. Some remain supporters appear to delight in any bad or negative news about the Uk. b. When we have good news remain supporters either doubt it or plac e a negative spin on it . c. Remain supporters always appear to believe the the EU is superior to GB. d. I have yet to see a remain supporter state that the UK is superior to the EU. They also downgrade our negotiating skills | |||
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"The only thing that matters now is we are ALL Brexiters no matter which way you voted and no matter what anyone says on a forum like this the result will remain the same. Like it or not we are leaving the EU for good or bad but when either side talk down the country it is only causing more division and hurting our prospects of a better life. If the EU had stayed a trading group instead of wanting to rule politically it would in my opinion have worked and everyone would have been happy. We are not all brexiters now.I'd rather have my eyeballs removed with rusty spoons than to be tared with the brexit brush.Whatever happens good or bad it's down to those who voted out.Time will tell if you were right or wrong." Yes it will but YOU will be leaving with the rest of us which makes you a Brexiter like it or not. | |||
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"The only thing that matters now is we are ALL Brexiters no matter which way you voted .... Utter bollocks; So everyone in the country is a Tory because you have a Tory government? Just because one side "won", doesn't mean that the rest are now automatically required to change their minds. " You don't have to change your mind you will leave with everyone else which makes you a Brexiter.  | |||
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" a. Some remain supporters appear to delight in any bad or negative news about the Uk. b. When we have good news remain supporters either doubt it or plac e a negative spin on it . c. Remain supporters always appear to believe the the EU is superior to GB. d. I have yet to see a remain supporter state that the UK is superior to the EU. They also downgrade our negotiating skills " a. Perhaps some do. I haven't seen that myself. The remain supporters I know are all shit scared about what is going to happen going forward b. I've yet to see any good news about leaving since the vote. c. I don't see why you think this. There is some weird us vs them thing that I see from a lot of Brexit supporters. I am British and proud to be British, yet I also think the EU is a good thing and are glad we are part of it. I don't see how the existence of the EU or our membership of it in any way diminishes or threatens our ability to be the UK. d. See above. I don't think one is 'superior' to the other as I don't see them as competitors, I see them as complimentary to each other. As for negotiating skills... what negotiating skills? We have a massive lack of negotiators for this kind of thing as we've not needed them for decades. And when you look at for example May's disastrous trade mission to India, I don't have much reassurance. -Matt | |||
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"The only thing that matters now is we are ALL Brexiters no matter which way you voted .... Utter bollocks; So everyone in the country is a Tory because you have a Tory government? Just because one side "won", doesn't mean that the rest are now automatically required to change their minds. You don't have to change your mind you will leave with everyone else which makes you a Brexiter. "Luckily I don't leave the EU; I have made a choice to remain a European; so I shall never be a BREXITER. I don't have to be bullied by a minority . The only decision is whether to actually keep my UK citizenship as well; It does nothing for me; so I probably won't. | |||
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"The only thing that matters now is we are ALL Brexiters no matter which way you voted .... Utter bollocks; So everyone in the country is a Tory because you have a Tory government? Just because one side "won", doesn't mean that the rest are now automatically required to change their minds. You don't have to change your mind you will leave with everyone else which makes you a Brexiter.
Luckily I don't leave the EU; I have made a choice to remain a European; so I shall never be a BREXITER. I don't have to be bullied by a minority .
The only decision is whether to actually keep my UK citizenship as well; It does nothing for me; so I probably won't.
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"The only thing that matters now is we are ALL Brexiters no matter which way you voted .... Utter bollocks; So everyone in the country is a Tory because you have a Tory government? Just because one side "won", doesn't mean that the rest are now automatically required to change their minds. You don't have to change your mind you will leave with everyone else which makes you a Brexiter.
Luckily I don't leave the EU; I have made a choice to remain a European; so I shall never be a BREXITER. I don't have to be bullied by a minority .
The only decision is whether to actually keep my UK citizenship as well; It does nothing for me; so I probably won't.
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"The only thing that matters now is we are ALL Brexiters no matter which way you voted .... Utter bollocks; So everyone in the country is a Tory because you have a Tory government? Just because one side "won", doesn't mean that the rest are now automatically required to change their minds. You don't have to change your mind you will leave with everyone else which makes you a Brexiter.
Luckily I don't leave the EU; I have made a choice to remain a European; so I shall never be a BREXITER. I don't have to be bullied by a minority .
The only decision is whether to actually keep my UK citizenship as well; It does nothing for me; so I probably won't.
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"The only thing that matters now is we are ALL Brexiters no matter which way you voted .... Utter bollocks; So everyone in the country is a Tory because you have a Tory government? Just because one side "won", doesn't mean that the rest are now automatically required to change their minds. You don't have to change your mind you will leave with everyone else which makes you a Brexiter.
Luckily I don't leave the EU; I have made a choice to remain a European; so I shall never be a BREXITER. I don't have to be bullied by a minority .
The only decision is whether to actually keep my UK citizenship as well; It does nothing for me; so I probably won't.
.. Bullied.. Lol...you poor little thing.. Go get some counselling. "No one bullies me; but I watch the bullying done by and to others and act on it. | |||
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"The only thing that matters now is we are ALL Brexiters no matter which way you voted .... Utter bollocks; So everyone in the country is a Tory because you have a Tory government? Just because one side "won", doesn't mean that the rest are now automatically required to change their minds. You don't have to change your mind you will leave with everyone else which makes you a Brexiter.
Luckily I don't leave the EU; I have made a choice to remain a European; so I shall never be a BREXITER. I don't have to be bullied by a minority .
The only decision is whether to actually keep my UK citizenship as well; It does nothing for me; so I probably won't.
You may still end up leaving if La Pen wins the election in March 2017 that will make you a FREXITER. "It' s LePen; and she won't win; and even if she did, wouldn't leave the EU. Despite her posturing. And despite what her puppet master Putin might want. | |||
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" You may still end up leaving if La Pen wins the election in March 2017 that will make you a FREXITER. "What would we call it if Exeter wanted to leave the UK?  | |||
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"OP, isn't it more common to hear Remainers blaming the Brexiters for causing harm to the UK?" There's a subtle difference. Remainers don't accuse most BREXITers of wanting to talk their country down and cause it harm. We accuse them of actually doing their country harm by talking down this counties achievements both within the EU and around the world and actually causing real harm to the economic and financial futures of everyone one that lives in it. Whether they did or do this out of some misplaced sends of patriotism or because they genuinely want to harm to their country is totally irrelevant. There was one BREXITer on another thread on here gloating over the fact that when, or if, financial institutions leave the UK because of the less favorable conditions that exist in London post BREXIT many would rather go to New York than Frankfurt or Paris. How is doing either actually a benefit to the UK? Or is BREXITers dislike for the EU so great that they don't really care about what happens to the UK and its economy? It's BREXITers who should be asking themselves whether their really doing what's best for their country because, so far, I've not heard any of them give even a remotely plausible argument as to how we're actually going to be better of than we either were before or would be if we'd remained. | |||
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"The only thing that matters now is we are ALL Brexiters no matter which way you voted and no matter what anyone says on a forum like this the result will remain the same. Like it or not we are leaving the EU for good or bad but when either side talk down the country it is only causing more division and hurting our prospects of a better life. If the EU had stayed a trading group instead of wanting to rule politically it would in my opinion have worked and everyone would have been happy. We are not all brexiters now.I'd rather have my eyeballs removed with rusty spoons than to be tared with the brexit brush.Whatever happens good or bad it's down to those who voted out.Time will tell if you were right or wrong. I didn't take his comment to mean anything negative, only that as we all live in a country that has opted for Brexit, we are all in the same situation... " Until it changes it's mind, which already seems more and more likely as the likely consequences of BREXIT become clearer by the day. | |||
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"OP, isn't it more common to hear Remainers blaming the Brexiters for causing harm to the UK? There's a subtle difference. Remainers don't accuse most BREXITers of wanting to talk their country down and cause it harm. We accuse them of actually doing their country harm by talking down this counties achievements both within the EU and around the world and actually causing real harm to the economic and financial futures of everyone one that lives in it. Whether they did or do this out of some misplaced sends of patriotism or because they genuinely want to harm to their country is totally irrelevant. There was one BREXITer on another thread on here gloating over the fact that when, or if, financial institutions leave the UK because of the less favorable conditions that exist in London post BREXIT many would rather go to New York than Frankfurt or Paris. How is doing either actually a benefit to the UK? Or is BREXITers dislike for the EU so great that they don't really care about what happens to the UK and its economy? It's BREXITers who should be asking themselves whether their really doing what's best for their country because, so far, I've not heard any of them give even a remotely plausible argument as to how we're actually going to be better of than we either were before or would be if we'd remained." I think the way the Brexiters reacted to the High Court, attacking the independence of the judiciary, wanting the executive to have complete control over the legislature etc. proves that all they want is Brexit at any cost. Have you ever heard a brexiter tell you what price would be too high to pay for Brexit? | |||
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"OP, isn't it more common to hear Remainers blaming the Brexiters for causing harm to the UK? There's a subtle difference. Remainers don't accuse most BREXITers of wanting to talk their country down and cause it harm. We accuse them of actually doing their country harm by talking down this counties achievements both within the EU and around the world and actually causing real harm to the economic and financial futures of everyone one that lives in it. Whether they did or do this out of some misplaced sends of patriotism or because they genuinely want to harm to their country is totally irrelevant. There was one BREXITer on another thread on here gloating over the fact that when, or if, financial institutions leave the UK because of the less favorable conditions that exist in London post BREXIT many would rather go to New York than Frankfurt or Paris. How is doing either actually a benefit to the UK? Or is BREXITers dislike for the EU so great that they don't really care about what happens to the UK and its economy? It's BREXITers who should be asking themselves whether their really doing what's best for their country because, so far, I've not heard any of them give even a remotely plausible argument as to how we're actually going to be better of than we either were before or would be if we'd remained. I think the way the Brexiters reacted to the High Court, attacking the independence of the judiciary, wanting the executive to have complete control over the legislature etc. proves that all they want is Brexit at any cost. Have you ever heard a brexiter tell you what price would be too high to pay for Brexit?" I think you're probably right. | |||
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"It really is time to stop all of this now and let the future take its course. I recently came to the conclusion that maybe this country has had it too easy for too long and a harsh dose of realism was needed. The very many people who voted out, in order to show the establishment that the gravy train was over now need to have their day. It matters not one bit that those wealthier people who are meant to suffer, will have already re positioned themselves to cushion (if not even profit) from Brexit. If we leave the EU and the world suddenly turns rosy and wonderful with mass employment, job security and high wages in the U.K. then I personally will doff my cap to those who made it happen because the UK needs success. If on the other hand things go a bit wrong as some think will happen, then it will be the Brexit heartlands of the Midlands and the North that will be most affected and those huge numbers of ordinary people who wanted change will probably get it, but perhaps not in the way they expected. That will be tough of course, but nobody expects charity from making shit decisions in their life so I am sure they will take the consequences manfully. Either way, the much denigrated "elites" will in the most part be very much untouched whatever happens. Brexiters though have to literally pray that their future vision of a post Brexit world does actually happen for it is they more than anyone who will pay dearly for the choice that they made if it doesn't. So I say now, stop fucking around and let's get straight into the hardest of hard Brexits and give the people what they want. They deserve it. " I really hate to say it. But I think this is the only course of action. We've had 25 years of Farage moaning about the EU. I don't want 25 more years of a quarter of the country moaning they didn't get their way. The damage has been done. I fear more damage will come. But any attempt to see sense now is going to be deemed to be anti-democratic and we'll have a divided country evermore. Like you say, I hope this all goes well and that HMG come up with a plan to make this work and actually get it to work. Of course the risk is that if it fails the Brexit-supporters will think of some other way to spin the blame onto someone else. -Matt | |||
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"It really is time to stop all of this now and let the future take its course. I recently came to the conclusion that maybe this country has had it too easy for too long and a harsh dose of realism was needed. The very many people who voted out, in order to show the establishment that the gravy train was over now need to have their day. It matters not one bit that those wealthier people who are meant to suffer, will have already re positioned themselves to cushion (if not even profit) from Brexit. If we leave the EU and the world suddenly turns rosy and wonderful with mass employment, job security and high wages in the U.K. then I personally will doff my cap to those who made it happen because the UK needs success. If on the other hand things go a bit wrong as some think will happen, then it will be the Brexit heartlands of the Midlands and the North that will be most affected and those huge numbers of ordinary people who wanted change will probably get it, but perhaps not in the way they expected. That will be tough of course, but nobody expects charity from making shit decisions in their life so I am sure they will take the consequences manfully. Either way, the much denigrated "elites" will in the most part be very much untouched whatever happens. Brexiters though have to literally pray that their future vision of a post Brexit world does actually happen for it is they more than anyone who will pay dearly for the choice that they made if it doesn't. So I say now, stop fucking around and let's get straight into the hardest of hard Brexits and give the people what they want. They deserve it. I really hate to say it. But I think this is the only course of action. We've had 25 years of Farage moaning about the EU. I don't want 25 more years of a quarter of the country moaning they didn't get their way. The damage has been done. I fear more damage will come. But any attempt to see sense now is going to be deemed to be anti-democratic and we'll have a divided country evermore. Like you say, I hope this all goes well and that HMG come up with a plan to make this work and actually get it to work. Of course the risk is that if it fails the Brexit-supporters will think of some other way to spin the blame onto someone else. -Matt" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong | |||
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"It really is time to stop all of this now and let the future take its course. I recently came to the conclusion that maybe this country has had it too easy for too long and a harsh dose of realism was needed. The very many people who voted out, in order to show the establishment that the gravy train was over now need to have their day. It matters not one bit that those wealthier people who are meant to suffer, will have already re positioned themselves to cushion (if not even profit) from Brexit. If we leave the EU and the world suddenly turns rosy and wonderful with mass employment, job security and high wages in the U.K. then I personally will doff my cap to those who made it happen because the UK needs success. If on the other hand things go a bit wrong as some think will happen, then it will be the Brexit heartlands of the Midlands and the North that will be most affected and those huge numbers of ordinary people who wanted change will probably get it, but perhaps not in the way they expected. That will be tough of course, but nobody expects charity from making shit decisions in their life so I am sure they will take the consequences manfully. Either way, the much denigrated "elites" will in the most part be very much untouched whatever happens. Brexiters though have to literally pray that their future vision of a post Brexit world does actually happen for it is they more than anyone who will pay dearly for the choice that they made if it doesn't. So I say now, stop fucking around and let's get straight into the hardest of hard Brexits and give the people what they want. They deserve it. I really hate to say it. But I think this is the only course of action. We've had 25 years of Farage moaning about the EU. I don't want 25 more years of a quarter of the country moaning they didn't get their way. The damage has been done. I fear more damage will come. But any attempt to see sense now is going to be deemed to be anti-democratic and we'll have a divided country evermore. Like you say, I hope this all goes well and that HMG come up with a plan to make this work and actually get it to work. Of course the risk is that if it fails the Brexit-supporters will think of some other way to spin the blame onto someone else. -Matt" The turkeys voted for Christmas and the 25th is soon approaching. Like you say, the elites will be fine its the most vulnerable in society who will be hit the hardest, but they were the ones who voted for it, so maybe we should stop trying to protect them from their decision. | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong" Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making." You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money?" You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! " no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true" Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line." so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line." How has the Leave vote cost 92 billion pounds? | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything?" Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? " it is simply the BOE buying government debt. And isn't buying shares usually classed as an investment? And there was actually no need for it anyway was there? Was the £350 billion QE a couple of years ago to do with Brexit? | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? " The QE measures were due to voting to leave? | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? The QE measures were due to voting to leave?" That's what the MPC (monetary policy committee) said, you can read their minutes on the bank of England website. It's amazing that you Leavers don't even know the damage that you have caused already, and won't accept the responsibility for it. I would have thought you would be man enough to stand by your convictions and say, "yes, it has already cost us £92bn, but it will be worth it in the end and we will recoup the money back" What are you going to be like if/when the shit really hits the fan? | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? The QE measures were due to voting to leave? That's what the MPC (monetary policy committee) said, you can read their minutes on the bank of England website. It's amazing that you Leavers don't even know the damage that you have caused already, and won't accept the responsibility for it. I would have thought you would be man enough to stand by your convictions and say, "yes, it has already cost us £92bn, but it will be worth it in the end and we will recoup the money back" What are you going to be like if/when the shit really hits the fan? " Yet another appeal to your beloved economic experts. Did the MPC do a survey? What other factors are involved? Are we still trying to recover from an almighty crash? It is amazing that you Remainers ... blah [insert abuse of your choice here]. | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? The QE measures were due to voting to leave? That's what the MPC (monetary policy committee) said, you can read their minutes on the bank of England website. It's amazing that you Leavers don't even know the damage that you have caused already, and won't accept the responsibility for it. I would have thought you would be man enough to stand by your convictions and say, "yes, it has already cost us £92bn, but it will be worth it in the end and we will recoup the money back" What are you going to be like if/when the shit really hits the fan? " You do know that the ECB is doing QE to the tune of €70 billion a month don't you? A month, every month! What will happen in the Eurozone when there are no bonds left to buy? I think its pretty obvious where the shit will hit the fan first | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? The QE measures were due to voting to leave? That's what the MPC (monetary policy committee) said, you can read their minutes on the bank of England website. It's amazing that you Leavers don't even know the damage that you have caused already, and won't accept the responsibility for it. I would have thought you would be man enough to stand by your convictions and say, "yes, it has already cost us £92bn, but it will be worth it in the end and we will recoup the money back" What are you going to be like if/when the shit really hits the fan? You do know that the ECB is doing QE to the tune of €70 billion a month don't you? A month, every month! What will happen in the Eurozone when there are no bonds left to buy? I think its pretty obvious where the shit will hit the fan first" I think QE is bad, my position is clear and consistent. You seem to be saying that QE is fine for the UK, no negatives or downside, but its terrible for the ECB. You can't have it both ways. | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? The QE measures were due to voting to leave? That's what the MPC (monetary policy committee) said, you can read their minutes on the bank of England website. It's amazing that you Leavers don't even know the damage that you have caused already, and won't accept the responsibility for it. I would have thought you would be man enough to stand by your convictions and say, "yes, it has already cost us £92bn, but it will be worth it in the end and we will recoup the money back" What are you going to be like if/when the shit really hits the fan? You do know that the ECB is doing QE to the tune of €70 billion a month don't you? A month, every month! What will happen in the Eurozone when there are no bonds left to buy? I think its pretty obvious where the shit will hit the fan first I think QE is bad, my position is clear and consistent. You seem to be saying that QE is fine for the UK, no negatives or downside, but its terrible for the ECB. You can't have it both ways. " Yet it is being done by your beloved economists experts? You can't have it both ways. | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? The QE measures were due to voting to leave? That's what the MPC (monetary policy committee) said, you can read their minutes on the bank of England website. It's amazing that you Leavers don't even know the damage that you have caused already, and won't accept the responsibility for it. I would have thought you would be man enough to stand by your convictions and say, "yes, it has already cost us £92bn, but it will be worth it in the end and we will recoup the money back" What are you going to be like if/when the shit really hits the fan? You do know that the ECB is doing QE to the tune of €70 billion a month don't you? A month, every month! What will happen in the Eurozone when there are no bonds left to buy? I think its pretty obvious where the shit will hit the fan first I think QE is bad, my position is clear and consistent. You seem to be saying that QE is fine for the UK, no negatives or downside, but its terrible for the ECB. You can't have it both ways. Yet it is being done by your beloved economists experts? You can't have it both ways." Right, so you finally accept that it is being done, that you do know about it, and that Brexit had already cost £92bn. I'm glad you were finally man enough to admit it. | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? The QE measures were due to voting to leave? That's what the MPC (monetary policy committee) said, you can read their minutes on the bank of England website. It's amazing that you Leavers don't even know the damage that you have caused already, and won't accept the responsibility for it. I would have thought you would be man enough to stand by your convictions and say, "yes, it has already cost us £92bn, but it will be worth it in the end and we will recoup the money back" What are you going to be like if/when the shit really hits the fan? You do know that the ECB is doing QE to the tune of €70 billion a month don't you? A month, every month! What will happen in the Eurozone when there are no bonds left to buy? I think its pretty obvious where the shit will hit the fan first I think QE is bad, my position is clear and consistent. You seem to be saying that QE is fine for the UK, no negatives or downside, but its terrible for the ECB. You can't have it both ways. Yet it is being done by your beloved economists experts? You can't have it both ways. Right, so you finally accept that it is being done, that you do know about it, and that Brexit had already cost £92bn. I'm glad you were finally man enough to admit it." You do have a way with words. A way. Not a good way. Yes, we are engaged in QE. No, this is not a result of Brexit. And your experts? You trust them to deem QE necessary as a result of Brexit? Yet you disagree with their expertise when it comes to using QE? A tad inconsistent. | |||
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"I think that the last year has brought into context the eye watering sums of money being passed around Europe and the rest of the world! Money is good, if it is put to good use! " It is only eye watering if you don't put it into context and just go with tabloid headline grabbing figures. ie, we paid something like £13Bn to the EU in 2015, our total budget for 2015 was £750Bn. So that represents about 1.7% Ie. if I gave you a pound and asked you for 1.7 pence of it back... you wouldn't consider that to be an eye watering amount of money. -Matt | |||
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"I think that the last year has brought into context the eye watering sums of money being passed around Europe and the rest of the world! Money is good, if it is put to good use! It is only eye watering if you don't put it into context and just go with tabloid headline grabbing figures. ie, we paid something like £13Bn to the EU in 2015, our total budget for 2015 was £750Bn. So that represents about 1.7% Ie. if I gave you a pound and asked you for 1.7 pence of it back... you wouldn't consider that to be an eye watering amount of money. -Matt" Please feel free to give me as many pounds as you like on those terms.  | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? The QE measures were due to voting to leave? That's what the MPC (monetary policy committee) said, you can read their minutes on the bank of England website. It's amazing that you Leavers don't even know the damage that you have caused already, and won't accept the responsibility for it. I would have thought you would be man enough to stand by your convictions and say, "yes, it has already cost us £92bn, but it will be worth it in the end and we will recoup the money back" What are you going to be like if/when the shit really hits the fan? You do know that the ECB is doing QE to the tune of €70 billion a month don't you? A month, every month! What will happen in the Eurozone when there are no bonds left to buy? I think its pretty obvious where the shit will hit the fan first I think QE is bad, my position is clear and consistent. You seem to be saying that QE is fine for the UK, no negatives or downside, but its terrible for the ECB. You can't have it both ways. " you seem to see what you want to see. I never said it was good or bad I simply said Brexit hasn't cost us that £70 billion which you keep claiming it has. If it has, how much is QE costing the EU and who is paying for it? And I was a bit out with my figure its €80 billion a month in the EU which is forecast to continue every month to 2018 and possibly beyond. So, if you think that QE is so bad why are you supporting an organisation which is using it so readily to try and stimulate their failing economy? | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? The QE measures were due to voting to leave? That's what the MPC (monetary policy committee) said, you can read their minutes on the bank of England website. It's amazing that you Leavers don't even know the damage that you have caused already, and won't accept the responsibility for it. I would have thought you would be man enough to stand by your convictions and say, "yes, it has already cost us £92bn, but it will be worth it in the end and we will recoup the money back" What are you going to be like if/when the shit really hits the fan? You do know that the ECB is doing QE to the tune of €70 billion a month don't you? A month, every month! What will happen in the Eurozone when there are no bonds left to buy? I think its pretty obvious where the shit will hit the fan first I think QE is bad, my position is clear and consistent. You seem to be saying that QE is fine for the UK, no negatives or downside, but its terrible for the ECB. You can't have it both ways. you seem to see what you want to see. I never said it was good or bad I simply said Brexit hasn't cost us that £70 billion which you keep claiming it has. If it has, how much is QE costing the EU and who is paying for it? And I was a bit out with my figure its €80 billion a month in the EU which is forecast to continue every month to 2018 and possibly beyond. So, if you think that QE is so bad why are you supporting an organisation which is using it so readily to try and stimulate their failing economy?" But you are saying QE is free, that it doesn't cost anything, if you truely believed that, then why would it matter how much QE the ECB are doing? The UK isn't part of the ECB. That's just for eurozone countries. | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? The QE measures were due to voting to leave? That's what the MPC (monetary policy committee) said, you can read their minutes on the bank of England website. It's amazing that you Leavers don't even know the damage that you have caused already, and won't accept the responsibility for it. I would have thought you would be man enough to stand by your convictions and say, "yes, it has already cost us £92bn, but it will be worth it in the end and we will recoup the money back" What are you going to be like if/when the shit really hits the fan? You do know that the ECB is doing QE to the tune of €70 billion a month don't you? A month, every month! What will happen in the Eurozone when there are no bonds left to buy? I think its pretty obvious where the shit will hit the fan first I think QE is bad, my position is clear and consistent. You seem to be saying that QE is fine for the UK, no negatives or downside, but its terrible for the ECB. You can't have it both ways. you seem to see what you want to see. I never said it was good or bad I simply said Brexit hasn't cost us that £70 billion which you keep claiming it has. If it has, how much is QE costing the EU and who is paying for it? And I was a bit out with my figure its €80 billion a month in the EU which is forecast to continue every month to 2018 and possibly beyond. So, if you think that QE is so bad why are you supporting an organisation which is using it so readily to try and stimulate their failing economy? But you are saying QE is free, that it doesn't cost anything, if you truely believed that, then why would it matter how much QE the ECB are doing? The UK isn't part of the ECB. That's just for eurozone countries." doh, I know what the ECB is. I am not saying QE is free but it hasn't cost us, the taxpayer, €70 billion as you keep claiming, it has cost us nothing yet, it may cost us in the future or we may gain. Now if you think it was so bad for the UK and our economy is doomed because of it and because of Brexit, why is the EU doing so much QE and what does it say to you about their economy? | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? The QE measures were due to voting to leave? That's what the MPC (monetary policy committee) said, you can read their minutes on the bank of England website. It's amazing that you Leavers don't even know the damage that you have caused already, and won't accept the responsibility for it. I would have thought you would be man enough to stand by your convictions and say, "yes, it has already cost us £92bn, but it will be worth it in the end and we will recoup the money back" What are you going to be like if/when the shit really hits the fan? You do know that the ECB is doing QE to the tune of €70 billion a month don't you? A month, every month! What will happen in the Eurozone when there are no bonds left to buy? I think its pretty obvious where the shit will hit the fan first I think QE is bad, my position is clear and consistent. You seem to be saying that QE is fine for the UK, no negatives or downside, but its terrible for the ECB. You can't have it both ways. you seem to see what you want to see. I never said it was good or bad I simply said Brexit hasn't cost us that £70 billion which you keep claiming it has. If it has, how much is QE costing the EU and who is paying for it? And I was a bit out with my figure its €80 billion a month in the EU which is forecast to continue every month to 2018 and possibly beyond. So, if you think that QE is so bad why are you supporting an organisation which is using it so readily to try and stimulate their failing economy? But you are saying QE is free, that it doesn't cost anything, if you truely believed that, then why would it matter how much QE the ECB are doing? The UK isn't part of the ECB. That's just for eurozone countries." So your experts are using EQ but you don't like it. Ditch your experts and come over to the dark side. | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? The QE measures were due to voting to leave? That's what the MPC (monetary policy committee) said, you can read their minutes on the bank of England website. It's amazing that you Leavers don't even know the damage that you have caused already, and won't accept the responsibility for it. I would have thought you would be man enough to stand by your convictions and say, "yes, it has already cost us £92bn, but it will be worth it in the end and we will recoup the money back" What are you going to be like if/when the shit really hits the fan? You do know that the ECB is doing QE to the tune of €70 billion a month don't you? A month, every month! What will happen in the Eurozone when there are no bonds left to buy? I think its pretty obvious where the shit will hit the fan first I think QE is bad, my position is clear and consistent. You seem to be saying that QE is fine for the UK, no negatives or downside, but its terrible for the ECB. You can't have it both ways. you seem to see what you want to see. I never said it was good or bad I simply said Brexit hasn't cost us that £70 billion which you keep claiming it has. If it has, how much is QE costing the EU and who is paying for it? And I was a bit out with my figure its €80 billion a month in the EU which is forecast to continue every month to 2018 and possibly beyond. So, if you think that QE is so bad why are you supporting an organisation which is using it so readily to try and stimulate their failing economy? But you are saying QE is free, that it doesn't cost anything, if you truely believed that, then why would it matter how much QE the ECB are doing? The UK isn't part of the ECB. That's just for eurozone countries. doh, I know what the ECB is. I am not saying QE is free but it hasn't cost us, the taxpayer, €70 billion as you keep claiming, it has cost us nothing yet, it may cost us in the future or we may gain. Now if you think it was so bad for the UK and our economy is doomed because of it and because of Brexit, why is the EU doing so much QE and what does it say to you about their economy?" Imagine I have a government bond, and you are the Bank of England wanting to do some QE. You, the bank, essentially print more money (actually on a computer, rather than physical currency), money that didn’t exist before, you then give me that money and I give you the bond back. That money is now mine, I’m going to keep it, or spend it, or do whatever I want with it. That is QE. So there IS a cost to you, as soon as you spent the money it is gone, out of the banks hands, and into the hands of the people who previously had the bond. So how on earth do you think that you are actually going to gain from it? A bond is an IOU from the government. The Bank of England and the government are essentially the same thing in this scenario, so the government has an IOU from itself. If I, as a private citizen write myself an IOU for a million pounds, does that make me a millionaire?  | |||
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" Brexiters can see sense perfectly well thanks and a vote to remain would have caused more damage to this country and in turn Europe. And when Brexit is a success for the UK and Europe Remainers will spin it and say well we would have done even better had we stayed, without any real substance to base that claim on, simply a misguided conviction that they are always right and the majority are wrong Yet you claim a vote to remain would cause more damage to the UK without any real substance to base your claim on too just like the same misguided conviction you blame of the remainers. Facts are facts, Brexit is already costing the UK huge sums of money and we haven't even started doing anything yet. Their the only facts available right now. Everything else is a maybe this, maybe that for the next couple of years. I do hope the UK succeeds but I think its a gamble of staggering proportions that to me wasn't worth risking. But whatever happens, if we do leave the EU totally like Leavers want, prosper or bust it was of their making. You're right, neither side has any real substance to base their claims on. My post was just a response to the nonsense above it. But how is Brexit already costing the UK large sums of money? You know full well it has already cost £92bn and we haven't even triggere article 50 yet! £92bn is more than the entire defence and education budget combined! no, it hasn't, you can keep repeating that shite but it doesn't make it true Yes. It. Has! You know it has, I don't believe you missed the announcement from either the bank of England, or the Autumn statement about these events that have occured months ago. I don't know why you continue to attempt to deny them. I also think that you are fully aware that there are a Lot more costs coming down the line. so please explain how that £70 billion has cost us anything? Surprisingly it has cost us £70bn! £60bn in QE, and £10bn buying corporate shares. If monetary policy measures doesn't cost us anything, then why only £70bn? Why not £100bn, or £200bn? Why don't we do it every year? Why don't we pay our EU contribution with it? The QE measures were due to voting to leave? That's what the MPC (monetary policy committee) said, you can read their minutes on the bank of England website. It's amazing that you Leavers don't even know the damage that you have caused already, and won't accept the responsibility for it. I would have thought you would be man enough to stand by your convictions and say, "yes, it has already cost us £92bn, but it will be worth it in the end and we will recoup the money back" What are you going to be like if/when the shit really hits the fan? You do know that the ECB is doing QE to the tune of €70 billion a month don't you? A month, every month! What will happen in the Eurozone when there are no bonds left to buy? I think its pretty obvious where the shit will hit the fan first I think QE is bad, my position is clear and consistent. You seem to be saying that QE is fine for the UK, no negatives or downside, but its terrible for the ECB. You can't have it both ways. you seem to see what you want to see. I never said it was good or bad I simply said Brexit hasn't cost us that £70 billion which you keep claiming it has. If it has, how much is QE costing the EU and who is paying for it? And I was a bit out with my figure its €80 billion a month in the EU which is forecast to continue every month to 2018 and possibly beyond. So, if you think that QE is so bad why are you supporting an organisation which is using it so readily to try and stimulate their failing economy? But you are saying QE is free, that it doesn't cost anything, if you truely believed that, then why would it matter how much QE the ECB are doing? The UK isn't part of the ECB. That's just for eurozone countries. doh, I know what the ECB is. I am not saying QE is free but it hasn't cost us, the taxpayer, €70 billion as you keep claiming, it has cost us nothing yet, it may cost us in the future or we may gain. Now if you think it was so bad for the UK and our economy is doomed because of it and because of Brexit, why is the EU doing so much QE and what does it say to you about their economy? Imagine I have a government bond, and you are the Bank of England wanting to do some QE. You, the bank, essentially print more money (actually on a computer, rather than physical currency), money that didn’t exist before, you then give me that money and I give you the bond back. That money is now mine, I’m going to keep it, or spend it, or do whatever I want with it. That is QE. So there IS a cost to you, as soon as you spent the money it is gone, out of the banks hands, and into the hands of the people who previously had the bond. So how on earth do you think that you are actually going to gain from it? A bond is an IOU from the government. The Bank of England and the government are essentially the same thing in this scenario, so the government has an IOU from itself. If I, as a private citizen write myself an IOU for a million pounds, does that make me a millionaire? "no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer?" . Because European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!. It's exactly what every banking regulator said would happen if you let banks just do any old shit. . Something we've still not done anything about | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer?" Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? " the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes" So the reason the Bank of England have done £60bn of QE (plus £10bn of other MPM) is because "European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!."? That's why the Bank of England have done QE, because of European banks? | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes So the reason the Bank of England have done £60bn of QE (plus £10bn of other MPM) is because "European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!."? That's why the Bank of England have done QE, because of European banks? " You are against QE. Yet your glorious experts think it a useful tool. What do you think? | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes So the reason the Bank of England have done £60bn of QE (plus £10bn of other MPM) is because "European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!."? That's why the Bank of England have done QE, because of European banks? " nope | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes So the reason the Bank of England have done £60bn of QE (plus £10bn of other MPM) is because "European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!."? That's why the Bank of England have done QE, because of European banks? nope" So why has the Bank of England been doing QE then? | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes So the reason the Bank of England have done £60bn of QE (plus £10bn of other MPM) is because "European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!."? That's why the Bank of England have done QE, because of European banks? nope So why has the Bank of England been doing QE then? " Because the financial experts in the Bank of England believe that QE will help the economy. Next question. | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes So the reason the Bank of England have done £60bn of QE (plus £10bn of other MPM) is because "European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!."? That's why the Bank of England have done QE, because of European banks? nope So why has the Bank of England been doing QE then? Because the financial experts in the Bank of England believe that QE will help the economy. Next question." And why does the economy need helping? | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes So the reason the Bank of England have done £60bn of QE (plus £10bn of other MPM) is because "European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!."? That's why the Bank of England have done QE, because of European banks? nope So why has the Bank of England been doing QE then? Because the financial experts in the Bank of England believe that QE will help the economy. Next question. And why does the economy need helping? " Because there was a financial crash which threatened our banking system. | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes So the reason the Bank of England have done £60bn of QE (plus £10bn of other MPM) is because "European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!."? That's why the Bank of England have done QE, because of European banks? nope So why has the Bank of England been doing QE then? Because the financial experts in the Bank of England believe that QE will help the economy. Next question. And why does the economy need helping? Because there was a financial crash which threatened our banking system." In 2016? I must have missed that. | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes So the reason the Bank of England have done £60bn of QE (plus £10bn of other MPM) is because "European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!."? That's why the Bank of England have done QE, because of European banks? nope So why has the Bank of England been doing QE then? Because the financial experts in the Bank of England believe that QE will help the economy. Next question. And why does the economy need helping? Because there was a financial crash which threatened our banking system. In 2016? I must have missed that. " You think a financial crash can be solved within a week and an elastoplast? What do your trusted economic experts think? Or you? | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes So the reason the Bank of England have done £60bn of QE (plus £10bn of other MPM) is because "European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!."? That's why the Bank of England have done QE, because of European banks? nope So why has the Bank of England been doing QE then? Because the financial experts in the Bank of England believe that QE will help the economy. Next question. And why does the economy need helping? Because there was a financial crash which threatened our banking system. In 2016? I must have missed that. You think a financial crash can be solved within a week and an elastoplast? What do your trusted economic experts think? Or you?" The experts think that QE was needed to protect the UK economy as a result of the Brexit vote! Its only you that think QE in 2016 is because of a banking crash in 2008. As always, I'll ask you to provide some proof. For example an article quoting a member of the MPC stating that the reason for QE in 2016 was the 2008 banking crash. | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes So the reason the Bank of England have done £60bn of QE (plus £10bn of other MPM) is because "European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!."? That's why the Bank of England have done QE, because of European banks? nope So why has the Bank of England been doing QE then? Because the financial experts in the Bank of England believe that QE will help the economy. Next question. And why does the economy need helping? Because there was a financial crash which threatened our banking system. In 2016? I must have missed that. You think a financial crash can be solved within a week and an elastoplast? What do your trusted economic experts think? Or you? The experts think that QE was needed to protect the UK economy as a result of the Brexit vote! Its only you that think QE in 2016 is because of a banking crash in 2008. As always, I'll ask you to provide some proof. For example an article quoting a member of the MPC stating that the reason for QE in 2016 was the 2008 banking crash. " And I will ask you to look at the economic market without your skewed approach. Proof? There is little proof to be gained from economic experts. They will say one thing and another next week. | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes So the reason the Bank of England have done £60bn of QE (plus £10bn of other MPM) is because "European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!."? That's why the Bank of England have done QE, because of European banks? " . British banks are just as exposed to a debt run as everybody else, British banks have just as much exposure to debt as European ones or American ones or Japanese ones that's why Japan have been doing QE for over 20 years, they're banks got chocka with overpriced assets in the 90s the income stream from them no longer support them, so they start a scheme to "buy" them back. . The reason the UK had to restart QE was simply to bribe markets who threaten to go short on it!. . It's the first rule of the jungle the many pick on the weak for profit, it's exactly what the EU did to Greece, and they'll do it to anybody as well, it's self interest in the end that wins through when the shit hits the fan and is why the euro was doomed to failure from the outset. The Germans won't mind of course, they will walk away with a nice healthy profit from the euro, where as Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal and the rest can go back to being what they were before, currency devaluers | |||
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" no, you don't get it do you. So why is the EU doing so much of it? Will you answer? Why dont you tell us all what QE is then, and tell us why any central bank would use it? the Doors explained it quite well and there are several reasons why they might use it. In 2010 the BOE or the government, made £8 billion out of it but the more you use it the less use it becomes So the reason the Bank of England have done £60bn of QE (plus £10bn of other MPM) is because "European banks are massively exposed to utterly shit worthless piles of crap dreamt up by (genius) financial cunts!."? That's why the Bank of England have done QE, because of European banks? . British banks are just as exposed to a debt run as everybody else, British banks have just as much exposure to debt as European ones or American ones or Japanese ones that's why Japan have been doing QE for over 20 years, they're banks got chocka with overpriced assets in the 90s the income stream from them no longer support them, so they start a scheme to "buy" them back. . The reason the UK had to restart QE was simply to bribe markets who threaten to go short on it!. . It's the first rule of the jungle the many pick on the weak for profit, it's exactly what the EU did to Greece, and they'll do it to anybody as well, it's self interest in the end that wins through when the shit hits the fan and is why the euro was doomed to failure from the outset. The Germans won't mind of course, they will walk away with a nice healthy profit from the euro, where as Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal and the rest can go back to being what they were before, currency devaluers" ... | |||
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" The experts think that QE was needed to protect the UK economy as a result of the Brexit vote! Its only you that think QE in 2016 is because of a banking crash in 2008. As always, I'll ask you to provide some proof. For example an article quoting a member of the MPC stating that the reason for QE in 2016 was the 2008 banking crash. And I will ask you to look at the economic market without your skewed approach. Proof? There is little proof to be gained from economic experts. They will say one thing and another next week." Hopefully this will settle the matter for you. This is from the published letter from the Governor of the Bank of England to the Chancellor: "At its meeting ending on 3 August 2016 the Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) agreed to implement a package of monetary policy stimulus measures in order to strike an appropriate trade-off between supporting growth and returning inflation sustainably to the target over an appropriate horizon. This follows a material change in the MPC's assessment of the outlook for inflation, growth and employment in the light of the vote to leave the European Union, set out in the Inflation Report published today.” Is that clear enough that the measure taken (the QE, buying corporate bonds and the cutting of the base rate) were as a result of the “vote to leave the European Union”? | |||
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" The experts think that QE was needed to protect the UK economy as a result of the Brexit vote! Its only you that think QE in 2016 is because of a banking crash in 2008. As always, I'll ask you to provide some proof. For example an article quoting a member of the MPC stating that the reason for QE in 2016 was the 2008 banking crash. And I will ask you to look at the economic market without your skewed approach. Proof? There is little proof to be gained from economic experts. They will say one thing and another next week. Hopefully this will settle the matter for you. This is from the published letter from the Governor of the Bank of England to the Chancellor: "At its meeting ending on 3 August 2016 the Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) agreed to implement a package of monetary policy stimulus measures in order to strike an appropriate trade-off between supporting growth and returning inflation sustainably to the target over an appropriate horizon. This follows a material change in the MPC's assessment of the outlook for inflation, growth and employment in the light of the vote to leave the European Union, set out in the Inflation Report published today.” Is that clear enough that the measure taken (the QE, buying corporate bonds and the cutting of the base rate) were as a result of the “vote to leave the European Union”?" No, it doesn't satisfy me. If we had voted Remain, we would not have been in a different situation. We would have been introducing QE to counteract the Italian banking crisis. Your view of economics is all from the Brexit view. What about the Remain view? Lovely? Or a firestorm? | |||
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" The experts think that QE was needed to protect the UK economy as a result of the Brexit vote! Its only you that think QE in 2016 is because of a banking crash in 2008. As always, I'll ask you to provide some proof. For example an article quoting a member of the MPC stating that the reason for QE in 2016 was the 2008 banking crash. And I will ask you to look at the economic market without your skewed approach. Proof? There is little proof to be gained from economic experts. They will say one thing and another next week. Hopefully this will settle the matter for you. This is from the published letter from the Governor of the Bank of England to the Chancellor: "At its meeting ending on 3 August 2016 the Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) agreed to implement a package of monetary policy stimulus measures in order to strike an appropriate trade-off between supporting growth and returning inflation sustainably to the target over an appropriate horizon. This follows a material change in the MPC's assessment of the outlook for inflation, growth and employment in the light of the vote to leave the European Union, set out in the Inflation Report published today.” Is that clear enough that the measure taken (the QE, buying corporate bonds and the cutting of the base rate) were as a result of the “vote to leave the European Union”? No, it doesn't satisfy me. If we had voted Remain, we would not have been in a different situation. We would have been introducing QE to counteract the Italian banking crisis. Your view of economics is all from the Brexit view. What about the Remain view? Lovely? Or a firestorm?" Well if that doesn't convince you then nothing would. | |||
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" The experts think that QE was needed to protect the UK economy as a result of the Brexit vote! Its only you that think QE in 2016 is because of a banking crash in 2008. As always, I'll ask you to provide some proof. For example an article quoting a member of the MPC stating that the reason for QE in 2016 was the 2008 banking crash. And I will ask you to look at the economic market without your skewed approach. Proof? There is little proof to be gained from economic experts. They will say one thing and another next week. Hopefully this will settle the matter for you. This is from the published letter from the Governor of the Bank of England to the Chancellor: "At its meeting ending on 3 August 2016 the Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) agreed to implement a package of monetary policy stimulus measures in order to strike an appropriate trade-off between supporting growth and returning inflation sustainably to the target over an appropriate horizon. This follows a material change in the MPC's assessment of the outlook for inflation, growth and employment in the light of the vote to leave the European Union, set out in the Inflation Report published today.” Is that clear enough that the measure taken (the QE, buying corporate bonds and the cutting of the base rate) were as a result of the “vote to leave the European Union”? No, it doesn't satisfy me. If we had voted Remain, we would not have been in a different situation. We would have been introducing QE to counteract the Italian banking crisis. Your view of economics is all from the Brexit view. What about the Remain view? Lovely? Or a firestorm? Well if that doesn't convince you then nothing would. "It would have been a wonderful journey into a beautiful dream of super union with a great panorama of lovely wonderfulness. | |||
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Deutsche Bank thinks an extra £40 billion a year due to Brexit, but it's debatable if the original budget reduction plan was sustainable anyway
http://uk.businessinsider.com/deutsche-bank-note-on-post-brexit-government-spending-2016-10
Schroeder's says £58.6 billion deterioration in the public finances alone over 5 years
http://www.schroders.com/en/mt/professional-investor/insights/economics/autumn-statement-brexit-forces-extra-government-borrowing/
This is a more general summary from the FT which was strongly pro remain of course
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/0260242c-370b-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7
The King's Fund who are wishy washy liberals interested in healthcare touch on some of the non-financial issues here
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/articles/brexit-and-nhs
Of course, why believe them if you have done several weeks worth of reading of opinions which agree with your own? | |||
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